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Speaker 1: Ridiculous Crime is a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Hey, Hey, how you doing?

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Speaker 3: Thought? I just stumbled in here and I saw these

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Speaker 3: mics and then there you were sitting here in the dark.

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Speaker 2: You know it's ridiculous.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I do the fact that you're sitting here in

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Speaker 3: the dark. But do you know what's ridiculous. I do what.

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Speaker 2: I'm sitting here in the dark because I'm hiding from

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Speaker 2: who I'm being cyber bullied?

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Speaker 3: Am cyber bullying you?

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Speaker 2: The three oh five m VP? Wait a minute, professional wrestler, Yes, rapper, grappler,

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Speaker 2: totally badass. You know, he's a he's a man, he's

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Speaker 2: a gentleman, he's a scholar.

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Speaker 3: Totally. But yeah, he's so you told me he's cyber

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Speaker 3: bullying you. You need me to go cyber bully him,

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Speaker 3: the cyber beat him up.

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Speaker 2: Well, you'll probably agree with you.

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Speaker 3: Cyber wrestle them. Really.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's upset. No, he's like, he's poking at me

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Speaker 2: because I don't like Steely Dan and it's sort of

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Speaker 2: like Gauntlet Throne. He's been sending stick. He sent a

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Speaker 2: clip from the Yacht Rock documentary to us and was like,

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Speaker 2: take that, Elizabeth, and I saw it and I was like, yeah,

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Speaker 2: I'll debate you. And then I was like, I can't

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Speaker 2: debate this.

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Speaker 3: Man, Like did you say a time?

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Speaker 2: Well no, because here's the thing, like my anti Steely

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Speaker 2: Dan stuff. Sure that opinion is based only on vibes.

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Speaker 3: Oh really, you've held this opinion for a long time.

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Speaker 3: Just all on. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: But I mean they're amazing musicians. Sure they write apparently

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Speaker 2: great songs. Oh yeah, I just my vibes don't click,

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Speaker 2: and that's not my fault, and that's no reason to

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Speaker 2: cyberbully me. Three oh five MVP.

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Speaker 3: They are a bit intense in their love of themselves.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but I would think someone, you know, Antonio Montelle.

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Speaker 2: If you create something like the song still Ballin' and

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Speaker 2: then you turn around and you tout Steely Dan, I

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Speaker 2: got problems. But anyway, I don't I don't want to fight.

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Speaker 2: I don't want to debate. I just want to stop

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Speaker 2: being cyberbullied.

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Speaker 3: I do kind of agree with him what I'm saying.

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Speaker 2: All right, turn the lights back off, I gotta hide more.

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Speaker 3: Well, I got a question for you. Wait while we

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Speaker 3: got the lights on. Yeah, do you know what else

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Speaker 3: is ridiculous?

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Speaker 2: I do.

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Speaker 3: What a Christmas story I.

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Speaker 2: Have for you Christmas.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. It's ridiculous and criminal and set in Scotland. Yeah, Elizabeth,

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Speaker 3: Merry Christmas to you.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much.

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Speaker 3: Now you know more about this land than I do, right,

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Speaker 3: and you know more about like where this story occurred

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Speaker 3: than I do. You went to school there. But still

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Speaker 3: as this holiday treat, I want to tell you, Elizabeth

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Speaker 3: about the theft of the Stone of Scone, the Stone

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Speaker 3: of Destiny.

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Speaker 4: Nice.

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Speaker 3: This is ridicul It was crime a podcast about absurd

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Speaker 3: and outrageous capers. Heisand CODs. It's always ninety nine percent

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Speaker 3: urder free and it's one hundred percent ridiculous.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah it is.

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Speaker 3: What do you know about the Stone of Scone?

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Speaker 2: It's not an actual Scone?

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Speaker 3: Yes, I can't eat it, No more stone than Scone.

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Speaker 2: It's you know, I really don't know that much. I've

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Speaker 2: heard of it. I know that. Don't you have to

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Speaker 2: park your rear on there to get crowned.

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Speaker 3: The King of Air Queen of England.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, you gotta put it under your tutor.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you gotta t e r spread the cheeks on

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Speaker 3: the stone and then that's when make sure the king

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Speaker 2: D Yeah, yeah, exactly. You gotta spread cheek.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. See, personally, I thought it was the ancestral spot

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Speaker 3: where they celebrated the delicious of baked goods, the scone.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and some people make scones that are like a

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's where I got confused. That's what it turns

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Speaker 3: out I was wrong. It's actually one super important and

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Speaker 3: it's rectangular. Its dimensions are if you want to picture it,

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Speaker 3: twenty six inches long, sixteen inches high, and eleven inches deep. Okay,

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Speaker 3: so two feet by a foot and a third and

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Speaker 3: about a foot deep. Okay, right now, it's heavy. The

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Speaker 3: same weighs like three hundred and thirty five pounds day. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: It has a Latin cross cut into it as an inscription,

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Speaker 3: the only decoration. Oh now, Elizabeth, there's some debate where

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Speaker 3: this rock comes from, where it was quarried. And I

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Speaker 3: looked into it, and there's this great Celtic legend that

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Speaker 3: the stone is from the Holy Land. WHOA, Yeah, since

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Speaker 3: this is a Christmas time story, let's check in on

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Speaker 3: this biblical connection always is.

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Speaker 2: It turns out what according to the legend.

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Speaker 3: The Stone of Scone was a famous stone way back then,

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Speaker 3: back in the land of the Biblical patriarchs. The stone

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Speaker 3: was super super important, right, got God had a hand

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Speaker 2: Well, God has a hand in everything here.

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Speaker 3: Well yeah, but technically this one they put extra finger

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Speaker 3: marks on. Now, specifically, back then, this holy rock was

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Speaker 3: called Jake Bob's pillar. Oh you ever heard of that? No?

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Speaker 3: Started out is Jacob's pillow? Look, I know it's confusing

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Speaker 3: and where to stick with me? So who is this

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Speaker 3: cat Jacob? And why does his pillar and or pillow

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Speaker 3: even better? Well, Elizabeth, as you may or may not

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Speaker 3: recall from your time in Catholic school, Jacob is a

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Speaker 3: biblical patriarch from the Book of Genesis, son of Isaac

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Speaker 3: and Rebecca, which makes him the grandson of Abraham. Now

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Speaker 3: Jacob is his man, who later changed his name to Israel,

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Speaker 3: giving the nation state its name. Jacob had a brother

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Speaker 3: named esau Right now, he's older of the two twin brothers.

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Speaker 3: Jacob pulls this con move right, he engineers it so

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Speaker 3: he wins his father's blessing instead of his older twin

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Speaker 3: brother esauw, which was as customs since hees the older son. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: even though they're just twins. Yeah. Anyway, there's this crazy

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Speaker 3: of Canaan, and then then Jacob migrates to Egypt, where

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Speaker 3: his son Joseph of the Mini Colored Coat fame. Oh right, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: he's becoming totally he's setting the trends down there, and

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Speaker 3: he's become a confidant of the Pharaoh. So his folks

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Speaker 3: are well come in Egypt, and that's where Jacob dies

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Speaker 3: at the ripe old age of one hundred and forty seven.

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Speaker 2: With his ladder.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, now I know how you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I love I love the ages in the Oh

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Speaker 3: Totally Methuselah like whatever, eight forty seven.

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Speaker 2: My grandma had a cat. Well, she's had two cats.

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Speaker 2: That one was named Methuselah because it's just she got

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Speaker 2: it and it already wouldn't die nine years old. The

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Speaker 2: other one was Nicodemus.

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Speaker 3: Oh, that's great, great cat names. Also, Lazarus, I think

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Speaker 2: Yeah, No, I know Laus, what.

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Speaker 3: I just dropped on you may have felt like a

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Speaker 3: Sunday school lesson. Well, but Jacob was this important patriarch

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Speaker 3: right as far as the biblical stories go. And I

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Speaker 3: wanted you to understand that he's the same dude gives

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Speaker 3: us Jacob's Ladder, right, Not the movie Jacob's Ladder. Oh

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Speaker 3: have you seen that one?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Go, oh my god, one of the scariest movies I've

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Speaker 3: ever seen. Like the headshaking and then the people in

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Speaker 3: still see those images.

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Speaker 4: Really.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Anyway, the story of the talk about biblical Jacob's

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Speaker 3: Ladder directly related to the Stone of Scone. Oh really,

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Speaker 3: the Stone of Destiny. So the story of Jacob's latter

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Speaker 3: is from Genesis, chapter twenty.

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Speaker 2: Eight Genesis, not the band, thank you. Yes, the book

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Speaker 2: of the Bible.

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Speaker 3: Says nothing to do with Phil Collins. Now, the story goes,

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Speaker 3: Jacob is on the move in the desert, right, and

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Speaker 3: or in Bible terms, and I quote, and Jacob went

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Speaker 3: out from Borthsheba and went toward heron, and he lighted

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Speaker 3: you know that, didn't Bob Marley do that too? Yes,

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Speaker 3: stone sound for a fella's rostas they'd take all their

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Speaker 3: ideas from the Bible assent. Oh yeah, especially old Testament. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: you're gonna say something, Elizabeth.

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Speaker 2: I was to say that is it's so desperate, Like,

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Speaker 3: Pillow better than dirt?

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Speaker 2: No, it's not. There's dirt. Yes, if there's dirt, why

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Speaker 3: Oh God, that sucks. Breathe it in.

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Speaker 2: No, he's just you sleep on your back or on

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Speaker 3: You don't sleep on the ground much, do you never? Yeah, No,

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Speaker 3: it's for your neck and everything else. It's I would

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Speaker 2: Find like a musk rat.

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Speaker 3: Anyway, Jacob he lies down takes a long snooze with

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Speaker 3: he has visions because it's the Bible and everything's pretty

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Speaker 3: get extra trippy because out of the heavens he hears

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Speaker 3: the voice of God. Right, the architect of the universe

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Speaker 3: says unto Jacob, I am the Lord, the God of Abraham,

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Speaker 3: the Ifo, and the God of Isaac. The land whereupon

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Speaker 3: thy seed. So this is like where we get like

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Speaker 3: the promises of land and right now. But God's not done, Elizabeth,

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Speaker 3: He's got more to lay in the lap of this

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Speaker 3: cat Chiacob. So the all knowing One, he says to Jacob,

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Speaker 3: and thou shalt spread abroad to the west and to

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Speaker 3: the east, and to the north and to the south,

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Speaker 3: and in THEE, and in thy seed shall all the

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Speaker 3: families of the earth be blessed. Right, nice covenant. Right,

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Speaker 3: So it did like a hell of a blessing all

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Speaker 3: of us. Apparently, great nap. I mean, you're gonna take

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Speaker 3: a nap and get a blessing for everybody. Yeah, he

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Speaker 3: didn't even have to crucify himself. He just had to

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Speaker 3: of holy math to drop in this dude's path. Right,

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Speaker 3: and he's got God telling them all this stuff. He's

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Speaker 3: got two way escalator. And God's not done with the blessings, Elizabeth,

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Speaker 2: Because if you say pillar, yes exactly, it sounds like

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Speaker 3: It's a pillar, So my pillar, pillar, my pillar.

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Speaker 3: So he anoints his pillar with oil, right, and he

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Speaker 3: No different rocket? Now when did this holy rock become

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Speaker 3: used to be called the Land of ar Yeah. Right, So, Elizabeth,

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Speaker 2: I thought you were going to say none of it's true,

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Speaker 3: No, it's that's the legend I thought you were No,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So it's important to understand just how heavy this

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Speaker 3: and if it was Jacob's pillow slash Pella, it would

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Speaker 2: Okay, Because I was wondering, like you know, with what's

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Speaker 2: they must have done that with the old Stone.

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Speaker 3: Exactly as best as they did. They figured out that

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Speaker 3: not know where it was Qurey they still do not know,

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Speaker 3: but they do know what type of stone it was.

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Speaker 3: They go, if it was this one, it had to

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Speaker 3: be limestone. So clearly it's not. It's a very simple

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Speaker 2: They should look into that or tell them I did.

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Speaker 3: And and in fact, you know, Elizabeth, what do I

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Speaker 3: know about rocks? I'm like my girl Barbar Streisan in

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Speaker 4: Dog?

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Speaker 3: Like, I couldn't tell you an igneous rock formation from

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Speaker 3: As my girl Barb says, and I quote, I can

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Speaker 3: great film. What's up, doc, You gotta check it. It's

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Speaker 3: who should listen to? British archaeologist David Breese. Oh totally, yeah,

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Speaker 3: my man, easy breeze. He co authored the book The

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Speaker 3: Stone of Destiny, Artifact and Icon, and he pointed out

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Speaker 3: that the bedrock fun fact about the stone that it's

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: So anyway, actually this rock of Jacob's abuses a pillar

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Speaker 3: carries it off to the village of Scone and what

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Speaker 3: because this dude basically founded Scotland. Yes, that's why the

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Speaker 3: the first kings bring it. They coronate themselves or crown

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Speaker 3: battles the Vikings, the Danes, builds this legend for himself. Right. Meanwhile,

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Speaker 3: Walter Scott, there was a piece of metal attached to

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Speaker 2: Yeah that I have a vague recollection of it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the prophecy is, and I quote, unless the fates

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Speaker 3: all right, right, But as you probably know, you can't

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean, come on though, nine times out of.

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Speaker 3: Ten, nine times, well, twelve ninety six. This English dude,

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Speaker 2: His shanks were so long, the.

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Speaker 3: Longest you'd ever seen, like long. Yeah. People, they attached

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Speaker 2: They're like, you've seen that man shinks his shanks like

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Speaker 3: There's eighty long shanks.

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Speaker 2: There's something wrong with him.

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Speaker 3: So long they never really stopped growing. No, So King

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Speaker 2: And they're like, you're a medical oddity, because how are

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Speaker 3: On this for so long? We need a longer rock.

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Speaker 2: This is gone way down the road. We're talking like

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Speaker 3: Seriously, I think this could be a good seat for

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Speaker 3: my shanks, So Elizabeth, they called seats for king's thrones,

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Speaker 3: as you know. So that's what they did. They turned

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Speaker 2: Okay, there it is, and they.

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Speaker 3: Kept it at Westminster Abbey. It's this high backed chair

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Speaker 3: He may not realize, but if you saw the Stone

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Speaker 3: Remember when King Charles the Third succeeded his mother, Queen Elizabeth,

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Speaker 3: Well they put him in that special tent right like

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Speaker 2: Horses down great Yeah, or like at a football game,

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Speaker 2: we want to show this guy crazy tramadol and yeah,

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Speaker 2: I don't want anyone to know what we're doing to

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Speaker 2: this poor fellow. And he loops in and then they're

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Speaker 2: like and then he comes out and he's like, I

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Speaker 2: feel good them.

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Speaker 3: The Roger Goodell sauce exactly. There's DVDs of airbud in

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Speaker 3: there is what they go in. They're like, I need

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Speaker 2: But didn't it the coronation of Charles, didn't they like

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they go and that's what he do and they

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Speaker 3: anointed him with oil. That's part of the process.

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Speaker 2: Of I watched the ceremony and I was like wondering

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Speaker 5: It's like.

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Speaker 3: It's just all back then, leg So he was sitting

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Speaker 3: King James the sixth of Scotland. He became King James

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Speaker 3: Great Britain. Possibly, it doesn't matter either way. He was

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Speaker 3: was right. So that's how the prophecy stayed true. Because

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Speaker 3: been for centuries. Well essentially, it's true. Now, none of

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Speaker 3: this stopped a bunch of Scots from deciding that they

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Speaker 3: needed to drive down to England steal back the Stone

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Speaker 3: of Scone for Scotland. And so that's what they did

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Speaker 3: one Christmas Day that let's take a little break after

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Speaker 3: these messages. Elizabeth, we're gonna go lift that Stone of Scone. Yes, Elizabeth, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: we're back. You want to learn more about the Stone

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Speaker 3: of Destiny? I do, Okay, you're also ready to stick

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Speaker 3: it to the English always because it's time to steal

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Speaker 3: back the Stone of Scone. I don't mean us, but

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Speaker 3: actually do it.

436
00:20:03,160 --> 00:20:06,040
Speaker 2: I love the Scots, I know you do, so I.

437
00:20:06,040 --> 00:20:06,560
Speaker 3: Wanted to tell you this.

438
00:20:06,960 --> 00:20:08,760
Speaker 2: Whatever they want, Merry Christmas, thank you.

439
00:20:08,920 --> 00:20:10,720
Speaker 3: The year was nineteen fifty and as I told you,

440
00:20:10,760 --> 00:20:13,160
Speaker 3: it was Christmas time, perfect time for a right year.

441
00:20:13,640 --> 00:20:16,080
Speaker 2: Oh great, I turned like seventy that years cool?

442
00:20:16,200 --> 00:20:19,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's about right. Sixty nine. Actually, the

443
00:20:19,680 --> 00:20:24,639
Speaker 3: four proud Scots were a twenty five year old Glasgow, Glasgow, Glasgow, Glasgow,

444
00:20:24,800 --> 00:20:27,760
Speaker 3: I always say it wrong, Glasgow student Glasgow University student

445
00:20:28,680 --> 00:20:29,400
Speaker 3: my alma mater.

446
00:20:29,600 --> 00:20:31,600
Speaker 2: Yes, as long as you don't say Glascow.

447
00:20:33,000 --> 00:20:35,080
Speaker 3: Why would I say that. I'm not say it though,

448
00:20:35,119 --> 00:20:38,119
Speaker 3: do they? They're worse than me? Wow, I didn't think

449
00:20:38,119 --> 00:20:42,040
Speaker 3: it was possible. Yes, yeah, Ian Hamilton. He's a twenty

450
00:20:42,080 --> 00:20:45,439
Speaker 3: five year old Glasgow Glasgow University student and his three

451
00:20:45,480 --> 00:20:48,720
Speaker 3: compatriots are a thirty seven year old school teacher Kay Matheson,

452
00:20:49,080 --> 00:20:51,960
Speaker 3: twenty five year old university student Gavin Vernon, and twenty

453
00:20:52,040 --> 00:20:54,360
Speaker 3: year old the university student Alan Stuart.

454
00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:57,160
Speaker 2: University of Glasgow is so beautiful, by the way.

455
00:20:57,320 --> 00:21:00,240
Speaker 3: You've told me about this, right, great medieval looking kind

456
00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:02,360
Speaker 3: of like studying in like a castle courtyard.

457
00:21:02,520 --> 00:21:02,720
Speaker 2: Yeah.

458
00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:05,960
Speaker 3: So I guess they got to talking at that beautiful

459
00:21:06,040 --> 00:21:08,800
Speaker 3: university and they decided they'd had it with those English

460
00:21:08,920 --> 00:21:11,680
Speaker 3: kings and queens sitting there behinds down on the stone

461
00:21:11,720 --> 00:21:14,240
Speaker 3: a scone. It was high time someone did something about it.

462
00:21:14,240 --> 00:21:16,520
Speaker 3: And it was meant to be a strike for Scottish

463
00:21:16,640 --> 00:21:20,159
Speaker 3: nationalism that right, And since it was Christmas time they

464
00:21:20,160 --> 00:21:22,840
Speaker 3: had some time off. Nice so they also had a

465
00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:25,840
Speaker 3: pair of old Ford cars, so I thought you'd like

466
00:21:25,840 --> 00:21:32,000
Speaker 3: that too. The model was called the Anglia for England, yeah,

467
00:21:32,080 --> 00:21:34,520
Speaker 3: or the UK. So Alan borrowed one of the cars

468
00:21:34,520 --> 00:21:36,800
Speaker 3: from his mom and they loaded up in the two

469
00:21:36,920 --> 00:21:39,520
Speaker 3: Ford Anglias and they headed down to England. They planned

470
00:21:39,520 --> 00:21:42,720
Speaker 3: to sneak into Westminster Abbey right before closing time, maybe

471
00:21:42,840 --> 00:21:44,840
Speaker 3: hide in a darkened corner and then pop out, and

472
00:21:44,880 --> 00:21:48,399
Speaker 3: then when everyone was gone church, pop out. Yes, the

473
00:21:48,440 --> 00:21:51,159
Speaker 3: plan failed because the night watchmen caught them before they

474
00:21:51,160 --> 00:21:55,959
Speaker 3: could pop out. They stained ignorance when they end and drunkenness, right,

475
00:21:56,000 --> 00:21:58,359
Speaker 3: and they just played on the Scottish stereotypes from the English.

476
00:21:58,359 --> 00:22:00,919
Speaker 3: They're like, no, no, we're just drunk college students and

477
00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:03,760
Speaker 3: so who've been locked inside. We're also kind of daft

478
00:22:03,840 --> 00:22:05,920
Speaker 3: and you know, looking for a way out and the guys, oh,

479
00:22:05,920 --> 00:22:08,120
Speaker 3: it's right over here. So the night watchman, he goes

480
00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:10,240
Speaker 3: for their story, shows them the way out. Okay, you

481
00:22:10,280 --> 00:22:12,879
Speaker 3: know generally he kicks them out in some ways. I

482
00:22:12,880 --> 00:22:14,600
Speaker 3: heard it. I don't know how nice he was about it,

483
00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:17,760
Speaker 3: but it got removed right. So now that may they

484
00:22:17,760 --> 00:22:21,119
Speaker 3: may have lost their first battle, Elizabeth, but being Scots,

485
00:22:21,240 --> 00:22:24,200
Speaker 3: they were prepared for the long fight exactly, Elizabeth. Would

486
00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:27,040
Speaker 3: you say that the Scottish culture ambuse a stubbornness in

487
00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:27,480
Speaker 3: the people.

488
00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:32,320
Speaker 2: Oh heavens, yes, because I know it's been reading this story.

489
00:22:32,359 --> 00:22:34,800
Speaker 3: They just kept creeping up from what people said, like

490
00:22:34,840 --> 00:22:37,440
Speaker 3: the commentary and then just their comments and then yes,

491
00:22:37,600 --> 00:22:39,240
Speaker 3: the Scottish leaders later on.

492
00:22:39,680 --> 00:22:41,240
Speaker 2: I mean, you sort of have to be if you

493
00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:42,680
Speaker 2: look at like the culture.

494
00:22:42,359 --> 00:22:44,480
Speaker 3: Like the weather is what I was looking at, Yeah,

495
00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:44,920
Speaker 3: and the weather.

496
00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:46,800
Speaker 2: You have to be tough and you have to be

497
00:22:46,800 --> 00:22:49,160
Speaker 2: stubborn because I mean, I'm not talking about it. Even

498
00:22:49,359 --> 00:22:53,800
Speaker 2: the Highlands is like ridiculous magnified version, but it's it's

499
00:22:53,920 --> 00:22:56,760
Speaker 2: on the same parallel as Moscow, and so it's like

500
00:22:57,160 --> 00:23:00,520
Speaker 2: gets it's in the wintertime, it gets very dark. That's

501
00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:04,119
Speaker 2: why everybody drinks because just like what else are you

502
00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:07,360
Speaker 2: going to do? And it's cold, the sun is forgotten.

503
00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:09,520
Speaker 2: But also they've been kind of they've been so like

504
00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:13,560
Speaker 2: pushed around, and there is there's a stubbornness to it

505
00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:15,679
Speaker 2: because you know what, the Romans they never made it

506
00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:19,800
Speaker 2: all the way up there, forget Scott's heel the line

507
00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:23,439
Speaker 2: and so but they're also some of the funniest.

508
00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:26,080
Speaker 3: Part of the stubborn culture is the humor of like

509
00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:27,840
Speaker 3: we're going to get along by laughing.

510
00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:30,800
Speaker 2: Like so clever and so funny and so just like

511
00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:35,639
Speaker 2: different than the Irish but completely completely a lot of

512
00:23:35,760 --> 00:23:39,960
Speaker 2: like wordplay. But also it's like Glasgow in particular has

513
00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:43,880
Speaker 2: a reputation for being so rough and violent and at

514
00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:46,000
Speaker 2: the same time and yeah, I mean there is, but like,

515
00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:49,000
Speaker 2: come on, I'm from Oakland. It didn't shake me, like

516
00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:52,200
Speaker 2: the people just I was just overwhelmed the whole time

517
00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:54,640
Speaker 2: with just how really lovely people were that I met.

518
00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:57,919
Speaker 3: Interesting, Well, these four Scots.

519
00:23:57,920 --> 00:24:00,560
Speaker 2: This this is like this kind of feistiness and like

520
00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:04,320
Speaker 2: the stubbornness, the feistiness of it and the like rascalism.

521
00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:06,879
Speaker 3: That's why am I thought you'd appreciate this. So the

522
00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:09,560
Speaker 3: next night, these stubborn Scott's, four proud Scotts, they go

523
00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:12,639
Speaker 3: back to Westminster Abbey. Let's try it again. So this

524
00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:15,480
Speaker 3: next night, it's Christmas Eve, So the thieves they wait

525
00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:18,160
Speaker 3: till like three thirty am, so that the night watchman

526
00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:22,159
Speaker 3: is drowsy, possibly napping, you know, maybe a little eggnog drunk.

527
00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:24,760
Speaker 3: This also means, you know, because it's early Christmas morning

528
00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:26,640
Speaker 3: when the thieves struck that hopefully no one else will

529
00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:28,600
Speaker 3: be out. Yeah, it'll just be silent.

530
00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:30,719
Speaker 2: So but aren't they prepping for like masks?

531
00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:34,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean they would be, I mean, but not

532
00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:36,879
Speaker 3: at this at thirty in the morning. Yeah, come like

533
00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:38,040
Speaker 3: five am.

534
00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:39,280
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, people are going to be in there.

535
00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:42,880
Speaker 3: They'll be showing up exactly, you know, exactly getting out

536
00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:44,800
Speaker 3: the rags on the on those handles for the doors.

537
00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:49,120
Speaker 3: Ian Hamilton, Gavin Vernon, Alan Stewart right, sneak into Poets

538
00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:51,680
Speaker 3: Corner in Westminster Abbey if you know it. Meanwhile, k

539
00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:53,959
Speaker 3: Mathieson stays behind in one of the cars in the

540
00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:57,560
Speaker 3: palace yard parked in the it's like a lane behind

541
00:24:57,600 --> 00:24:59,800
Speaker 3: Westminster Abbey, right. The other car was parked kind of

542
00:24:59,840 --> 00:25:02,199
Speaker 3: near by, So the three guys they break down the

543
00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:04,800
Speaker 3: door to get into Westminster Abbey. The sound is so

544
00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:07,320
Speaker 3: much louder than anyone expects. In fact, Kate could hear

545
00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:10,199
Speaker 3: it in the car where she was parked, so she

546
00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:12,400
Speaker 3: grips the wheel, hoping like hell that they are all

547
00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:15,360
Speaker 3: about to ruin their young lives. Sure, but no one,

548
00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:17,879
Speaker 3: no guard, no watchman comes running. Nothing happens, and then

549
00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:20,560
Speaker 3: the quiet of the night returns. So the three guys

550
00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:23,840
Speaker 3: they sneak into the Chapel of Edward the Confessor, right,

551
00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:26,159
Speaker 3: and this is an English king who predated Edward the

552
00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:27,840
Speaker 3: First by a couple of centuries. I had to look

553
00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:28,400
Speaker 3: this all up.

554
00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:31,000
Speaker 2: So Edward the First really wasn't the first exactly.

555
00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:35,200
Speaker 3: This is my point, Elizabeth englishmen, he's like the other.

556
00:25:35,119 --> 00:25:38,840
Speaker 2: I have something to confess. I actually Edward whatever.

557
00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:42,520
Speaker 3: I had to give it up though, to all my

558
00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:44,720
Speaker 3: friends who are English who I realized that they know

559
00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:47,240
Speaker 3: all these kings and queens by line. They know like

560
00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:48,320
Speaker 3: a thousand years.

561
00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:52,639
Speaker 2: It is so aggressive. Yeah, how they know all of

562
00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:55,120
Speaker 2: the royal lineage? Yes, and then it kind of makes

563
00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:58,240
Speaker 2: me think about how like all these other countries they

564
00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:02,119
Speaker 2: have all this deep knowledge. They all speak multiple languages.

565
00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:03,520
Speaker 3: Oh my god, we're here.

566
00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:05,480
Speaker 2: We're like, who's my governor?

567
00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:07,639
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, they couldn't tell you who with the

568
00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:09,800
Speaker 3: president in eighteen eighty No.

569
00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:11,919
Speaker 2: No, So the three anyway.

570
00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:15,760
Speaker 3: These three well educated cushman they're they're in there in

571
00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:18,120
Speaker 3: the chapel of Edward the Confessor. And it turns out

572
00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:20,800
Speaker 3: the Edward the First, as one of I told you earlier,

573
00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:24,720
Speaker 3: he's also in this place. He's there, Edward Long, he's dead,

574
00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:27,639
Speaker 3: he's dead, but he's buried. His tomb is there with

575
00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:31,359
Speaker 3: Edward the Confessor's chapel, right, just to make things more amazing.

576
00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:33,639
Speaker 2: For me, bigger for his shanks. Of course, it's an

577
00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:36,919
Speaker 2: extra long long it's a separate shank.

578
00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:41,560
Speaker 3: So they sneak past his extra long tomb and they

579
00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:44,320
Speaker 3: make it over to the coronation chair. And to get

580
00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:46,520
Speaker 3: to the stone of scumb they were going to have

581
00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:50,320
Speaker 3: to break through the coronation chair, which they do. What

582
00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:52,480
Speaker 3: they managed to get to the stone. And keep in

583
00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:55,080
Speaker 3: mind the stone weighs three hundred and thirty five pounds,

584
00:26:55,080 --> 00:26:57,720
Speaker 3: So to put that in perspective, Elizabeth in his prime,

585
00:26:57,800 --> 00:27:00,960
Speaker 3: Shaquille O'Neil weighed three hundred and twenty five pounds. These

586
00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:02,960
Speaker 3: guys are trying to move a full size to kill

587
00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:04,320
Speaker 3: O'Neal plus ten pounds.

588
00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:06,080
Speaker 2: Wish you would have put it into Bojackson.

589
00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:07,520
Speaker 3: I was going to, but it would have been one

590
00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:08,399
Speaker 3: and a half Bojackson.

591
00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:11,000
Speaker 2: Oh what okay, So that's it's always easier for me

592
00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:13,199
Speaker 2: to midd go one and half Bojacks. So one and

593
00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:15,680
Speaker 2: a half and then once full sized, full sized shack.

594
00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:19,240
Speaker 3: Yeah plus ten pounds. Yeah. Yeah. So they managed to

595
00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:21,200
Speaker 3: get this up and out of the coronation.

596
00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:26,760
Speaker 2: Kill plus simone biles. She's ten pounds. It's a tiny So.

597
00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:29,240
Speaker 3: One of the thieves Ian he places his jacket on

598
00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:30,920
Speaker 3: the ground and they put the Stone of Destiny on

599
00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:32,520
Speaker 3: top of it to sort of like slide it out

600
00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:35,399
Speaker 3: of Westminster. Rabbit right, super smart. But the stone of

601
00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:37,439
Speaker 3: Stone is chained in place, so the guys have to

602
00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:40,359
Speaker 3: yank hard to break the chain, and they managed to

603
00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:43,480
Speaker 3: snap the chain, but the stone drops and breaks.

604
00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:44,520
Speaker 2: They broke.

605
00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:46,240
Speaker 3: They broke the Stone of Destiny.

606
00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:47,600
Speaker 2: They lifted it.

607
00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:49,919
Speaker 3: Yeah, well they broke into I guess they lift it

608
00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:52,159
Speaker 3: and they're fighting with it, and then when they drop it,

609
00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:55,199
Speaker 3: it breaks into two pieces. So now there's two stones

610
00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:56,320
Speaker 3: of Destiny.

611
00:27:56,280 --> 00:27:57,960
Speaker 2: Right down where the butt crack would go.

612
00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:01,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, the butt did it. So everyone's freaked out by

613
00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:02,280
Speaker 3: this because ye know, what are you gonna do with

614
00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:04,960
Speaker 3: a stone of Scone and a stone of destiny? Carry

615
00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:08,080
Speaker 3: totally Ian calmness of the three. He remembered that a

616
00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:10,160
Speaker 3: tour guide said that the Stone of Scone had once

617
00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:14,040
Speaker 3: been damaged by bombing by a suffragette, so he figures

618
00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:16,000
Speaker 3: that's why it shattered it too so easily, so he

619
00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:17,879
Speaker 3: keeps his calm, right, He's like, okay, what are we

620
00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:19,919
Speaker 3: gonna do now? Well, for one, you know, as you

621
00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:22,960
Speaker 3: pointed out, two stones are easier and more manageable, like

622
00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:25,240
Speaker 3: two smaller stones and one big one, yeah, and one

623
00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:27,399
Speaker 3: that's awkward to carry, so there's at least that. So

624
00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:29,600
Speaker 3: Ian he scoops up the smaller piece of the Stone

625
00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:32,120
Speaker 3: of Destiny, weighs about ninety pounds, and he just takes

626
00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:34,880
Speaker 3: off running gon nice. The other two are like, oh, way,

627
00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:37,720
Speaker 3: where's he going? Right, So, as he's cradling it like

628
00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:40,400
Speaker 3: a rugby ball, that's what it asked how he described it,

629
00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:42,560
Speaker 3: makes his dash through the door, boom out the door.

630
00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:45,880
Speaker 3: The other two, Gavin and Allen, are like hmm. Now

631
00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:48,520
Speaker 3: they're looking at the heavier piece. They're looking at each other,

632
00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:51,720
Speaker 3: they look at stone, they look at each other all right,

633
00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:53,920
Speaker 3: and they don't know what to do, so they just leave.

634
00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:57,080
Speaker 3: It is like they left. Yeah, they're over at Elizabeth.

635
00:28:57,200 --> 00:29:00,760
Speaker 3: So they break out of Westminster Abbey and and yeah.

636
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:03,600
Speaker 2: So he took like a third of Shaquille O'Neill and

637
00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:06,760
Speaker 2: ran and then they left the torso in the leg

638
00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:07,400
Speaker 2: a third of.

639
00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:09,600
Speaker 3: Bo Jackson really because two forty at bo Jackson. Ye

640
00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:11,200
Speaker 3: a little more.

641
00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:13,800
Speaker 2: Than yeah third, Yeah, Okay.

642
00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:15,280
Speaker 3: So these guys at this point, they all still need

643
00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:17,240
Speaker 3: to get away no matter what they're doing. And as

644
00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:19,520
Speaker 3: we've seen in time and time again, that's the harder part.

645
00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:20,200
Speaker 2: Yeah.

646
00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:22,720
Speaker 3: So Ian running like a like a rugby wing back.

647
00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:25,400
Speaker 3: He makes it to k Mathison at where she's parked

648
00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:27,240
Speaker 3: and waiting in the car. He opens the trunk of

649
00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:31,040
Speaker 3: the Ford Anglia and he drops in the ninety pounds stone,

650
00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:33,360
Speaker 3: the half of the Stone of Destiny. But he's not

651
00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:36,040
Speaker 3: safe yet because trouble is about to walk right up

652
00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:38,600
Speaker 3: on him like bad weather, like a London fog. Right,

653
00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:40,760
Speaker 3: I'd take you there, Elizabeth. I'd like you to close

654
00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:41,280
Speaker 3: your eyes.

655
00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:42,240
Speaker 2: My eyes a closed, and.

656
00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:47,800
Speaker 3: I'd like you to picture it. It's around three thirty

657
00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:51,480
Speaker 3: am on Christmas morning. Their air is cold against your cheeks.

658
00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:54,040
Speaker 3: The wind is a breeze that helps chill your skin.

659
00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:57,160
Speaker 3: But yet all is quiet and still. At the moment.

660
00:29:57,240 --> 00:29:59,800
Speaker 3: You are a British beat cop, one who must have

661
00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:02,360
Speaker 3: off as a signing commander because you're walking the bead

662
00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:05,640
Speaker 3: on Christmas morning, and then you hear a trunk close.

663
00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:09,120
Speaker 3: That's odd. You walk towards the direction of the noise,

664
00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:11,200
Speaker 3: and when you push into a clearing that gives you

665
00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:14,320
Speaker 3: a clear vantage, you spot the reason for your police presence.

666
00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:18,200
Speaker 3: There's a car parked close to Westminster Abbey, which alone

667
00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:22,120
Speaker 3: is suspicious. It's even more suspicious because you spot movement

668
00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:24,880
Speaker 3: in the car. You walk over to see what all

669
00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:28,200
Speaker 3: the commotion is about at this strange hour on Christmas morning.

670
00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:31,960
Speaker 3: What you don't see is what's going on inside the car.

671
00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:35,480
Speaker 3: What you can't see is the young colleged age couple

672
00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:38,120
Speaker 3: in the car. But they have seen you, and they

673
00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:40,840
Speaker 3: work to secret away a small section of the broken

674
00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:44,040
Speaker 3: stone of Scone. Ian Hamilton reaches back and drapes a

675
00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:46,640
Speaker 3: blanket over the stone of Destiny. Then he turns back

676
00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:49,840
Speaker 3: to Kay in whispers he has a plan kiss me.

677
00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:53,040
Speaker 3: By the time you reach the park car, the windows

678
00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:55,320
Speaker 3: are begun to steam over, but inside you can see

679
00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:57,400
Speaker 3: a young couple and they are in the heat of passion.

680
00:30:57,600 --> 00:30:59,880
Speaker 3: Their neck and like kids, would you pull out your

681
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:02,760
Speaker 3: billy club and tap the glass? The couple is startled.

682
00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:06,920
Speaker 3: The man turns, rolls down his passenger side window. He

683
00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:09,800
Speaker 3: greets you and asks what the trouble is. His Scottish

684
00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:13,720
Speaker 3: accent sticks out to your English ears. The couple is nervous,

685
00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:16,360
Speaker 3: but you're used to people being nervous in your presence.

686
00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:19,640
Speaker 3: It's an occupational hazard of being a bobby. You even

687
00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:22,040
Speaker 3: make your neighbors nervous. When you come home. You ask

688
00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:24,400
Speaker 3: the couple what they're doing parked in a car near

689
00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:27,000
Speaker 3: Westminster Abbey in the middle of the night on Christmas morning.

690
00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:30,240
Speaker 3: I mean, besides the obvious, this elicits a nervous laugh

691
00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:33,320
Speaker 3: from the kids. The canoodling couple explains to you that

692
00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:37,000
Speaker 3: they drove down for Scotland for the holidays. Now bored

693
00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:39,480
Speaker 3: and lonesome as you are walking the beat, you chat

694
00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:42,320
Speaker 3: up the kids a moment. You ask how they're enjoying London.

695
00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:45,000
Speaker 3: After a polite little exchange with the kids, you tell

696
00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:47,800
Speaker 3: the couple they can't stay there and they need to

697
00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:50,800
Speaker 3: find a new place to rest before sun up. They agree,

698
00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:53,600
Speaker 3: and you walk off, satisfied you've done your job, with

699
00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:55,680
Speaker 3: no winkling that you just spoke with two of the

700
00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:58,800
Speaker 3: amateur criminals who just stole the stone of destiny. As

701
00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:02,320
Speaker 3: you stroll away whistling to yourself, Kay starts the car.

702
00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:05,280
Speaker 3: You hear the engine turn over. Good, they're leaving. What

703
00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:07,560
Speaker 3: you don't hear is Ian telling her to wait a moment.

704
00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:10,560
Speaker 3: He feels around and finds he's lost the key to

705
00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:13,200
Speaker 3: the other car. He must have dropped them back inside

706
00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:17,120
Speaker 3: Westminster Abbey. Ian tells Kay he'll go back, but she

707
00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:20,160
Speaker 3: should drive off and safeguard the smaller section of the

708
00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:23,160
Speaker 3: broken Stone of Destiny. Ian pops open his car door,

709
00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:25,440
Speaker 3: steps out, and shuts it behind him as quietly as

710
00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:29,040
Speaker 3: he can. Kay barely waits for it to close before

711
00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:32,040
Speaker 3: she hits the accelerator and drives her Ford Anglia away

712
00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:35,240
Speaker 3: from the scene of the crime. Meanwhile, Ian Hamilton hot

713
00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:37,920
Speaker 3: foots it back to Westminster Abbey as Christmas morning is

714
00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:39,400
Speaker 3: about to dawn over the land.

715
00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:42,960
Speaker 2: Can I just say thank you for giving me such

716
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:44,440
Speaker 2: a delightful picture it?

717
00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:45,520
Speaker 3: Oh, you're welcome, and.

718
00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:48,560
Speaker 2: It's not your It seems like you've gone off list.

719
00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:52,720
Speaker 3: I found I owed you a nice one. Yeah. You

720
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:59,480
Speaker 3: weren't a creature or an impulse a demonic forces. Yeah.

721
00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:02,040
Speaker 3: I didn't make you do anything terrible this time or

722
00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:04,440
Speaker 3: picture anything terrible. In fact, you were kind even in

723
00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:05,040
Speaker 3: the present.

724
00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:06,560
Speaker 2: Love that, Yeah, I love that.

725
00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:08,640
Speaker 3: So at this point, Kay, she escapes the scene right

726
00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:10,560
Speaker 3: with the smaller chunk of the Stone of Destiny. She

727
00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:12,960
Speaker 3: drives off. This leaves Ian, Gavin and Allen at the

728
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:15,600
Speaker 3: scene of the crime. After Ian had he took off

729
00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:18,520
Speaker 3: like a rugby halfback his friends and comrades. They assumed

730
00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:21,000
Speaker 3: he ditched them, right, he's oh that guy. But they're

731
00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:23,360
Speaker 3: stuck with that heavier section to carry, and they're growing

732
00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:25,520
Speaker 3: convinced that they're now about to get caught, and they

733
00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:27,160
Speaker 3: don't know quite what to do because they don't have

734
00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:29,200
Speaker 3: the keys to the car. The other two decided and

735
00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:31,040
Speaker 3: I told you to leave the stone as going behind.

736
00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:34,160
Speaker 3: They just walk away. So Gavin and Allen split, and

737
00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:36,240
Speaker 3: if they would have made it to the other car,

738
00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:38,160
Speaker 3: they would have discovered that neither of them had the keys,

739
00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:41,000
Speaker 3: because they're fairly certain, but they aren't exactly sartin. They

740
00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:42,880
Speaker 3: just want to cut right, so they leave before they

741
00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:44,520
Speaker 3: know if they have the keys or not, and if

742
00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:46,840
Speaker 3: they get to the car they'd find out they do not. Anyway,

743
00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:49,320
Speaker 3: doesn't matter, because Ian is on the spot. He rushes

744
00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:52,560
Speaker 3: back inside Westminster Abbey. He makes it back without getting

745
00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:55,160
Speaker 3: caught or spotted by the night watchman. He gropes in

746
00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:57,960
Speaker 3: the dark for the keys. He lights matches like hoping

747
00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:00,840
Speaker 3: to spot them. Nothing. Then he's like, darn it, it's

748
00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:03,440
Speaker 3: on his way out. He steps on something sharp and

749
00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:05,880
Speaker 3: he's like, what the you guessed Elizabeth? The keys? He

750
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:08,640
Speaker 3: steps on the car keys. So now he has the keys.

751
00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:10,319
Speaker 3: He's like, well, should I go back for the Stone

752
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:10,880
Speaker 3: of Destiny?

753
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:11,239
Speaker 2: Yes?

754
00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:15,000
Speaker 3: The dude has no quid in him, stubborn as a goat.

755
00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:19,560
Speaker 3: Right love this, So this is his move. Using his jacket,

756
00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:21,959
Speaker 3: Ian Hamilton grabs both arms and he tries to drag

757
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:24,600
Speaker 3: the now two hundred and forty five pound chunk of

758
00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:29,200
Speaker 3: the Stone of Scone out of Westminster Abby by himself. Yes,

759
00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:32,440
Speaker 3: and somehow he muscles this stone to the door. Then

760
00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:34,560
Speaker 3: he muscles it up and heps it up onto his

761
00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:37,000
Speaker 3: shoulder because he carries it to the second car that's

762
00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:40,280
Speaker 3: parked nearby pounds by himself.

763
00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:41,880
Speaker 2: This is like some Highland games.

764
00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:44,680
Speaker 3: See this is what I'm telling you. He then drops

765
00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:47,440
Speaker 3: the second half of the stone into the trunk. Ian's alone.

766
00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:49,759
Speaker 3: He's done, and he's got the keys. This crew of

767
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:53,040
Speaker 3: amateur thieves have just successfully stolen both halves of the

768
00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:56,280
Speaker 3: Stone of Destiny from the British royal family. Ian sticks

769
00:34:56,280 --> 00:34:59,120
Speaker 3: the keys in the car ignition and the car does

770
00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:03,640
Speaker 3: start right up. He pilots his ride away from Westminster

771
00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:06,000
Speaker 3: Abbey just as the purple light of dawn breaks on

772
00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:10,560
Speaker 3: Christmas morning. And who does he spot walking along Old

773
00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:14,799
Speaker 3: Kent Road? Allan and Gavin. Remember I said no one's out,

774
00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:16,040
Speaker 3: it's his buddies.

775
00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:16,359
Speaker 2: Yeah.

776
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:19,120
Speaker 3: Ian pulls over, Hey, boys, you need a ride. And

777
00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:21,880
Speaker 3: one problem with that though the stone scone is doesn't

778
00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:23,960
Speaker 3: allow them enough room for all three of them to

779
00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:26,439
Speaker 3: be in the old angler, right, So Ian designs Allan

780
00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:28,560
Speaker 3: you come with me, Gavin you stay behind, arrange your

781
00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:30,440
Speaker 3: own ride home. Gavin's like, all right, makes man, so

782
00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:33,040
Speaker 3: he agrees to it. Right. So they decide, well, we'll

783
00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:35,000
Speaker 3: get going, but we can't cross the border because as

784
00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:37,000
Speaker 3: soon as news breaks are gonna look for Scott's they

785
00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:39,520
Speaker 3: to know that Scott's who did it. So they decide

786
00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:41,880
Speaker 3: they'll take the stolen Royal rock and they pull over

787
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:44,560
Speaker 3: in Kent and they in a nearby town called Rochester

788
00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:47,880
Speaker 3: and there they bury it, right, they draw map bury

789
00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:50,120
Speaker 3: it where Yeah, they've draw mapp to where they hit

790
00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:51,800
Speaker 3: it like a pirate's treasure bat.

791
00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:55,880
Speaker 2: And where's an old girl with the she's gone.

792
00:35:56,239 --> 00:35:57,040
Speaker 3: I'll tell you where she was in a.

793
00:35:57,040 --> 00:35:59,280
Speaker 2: Second, because I was saying, like, they need a gorilla

794
00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:02,439
Speaker 2: glue it together before they do anything more.

795
00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:05,320
Speaker 3: Yes, totally. Well, at this point they take the heavy

796
00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:07,640
Speaker 3: half and they they draw the map of where they

797
00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:10,120
Speaker 3: hit it, and then they send that map two friends

798
00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:13,279
Speaker 3: college friends in Glasgow. So now they drive home to

799
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:16,279
Speaker 3: Scotland without the Stone of scone. Meanwhile, k took the

800
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:18,640
Speaker 3: other piece to a friend's house in Birmingham. You know

801
00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:21,600
Speaker 3: peky blinders, right, So she hides it in a garage there.

802
00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:25,120
Speaker 3: Then she drives back over the border to Scotland. Ye, now, Elizabeth.

803
00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:27,719
Speaker 3: When the night watchman finally discovers the break in and

804
00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:32,400
Speaker 3: alerts others, the press goes nuts. This is like it

805
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:35,920
Speaker 3: was like stealing the Constitution practically right, So like a

806
00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:38,960
Speaker 3: blazing fire of media attentions let off Christmas morning for

807
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:41,600
Speaker 3: the first time in over four hundred years, they close

808
00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:43,480
Speaker 3: the border between Scotland and England.

809
00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:46,480
Speaker 2: The first order of Baby immediately show people.

810
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:48,759
Speaker 3: Who take it. They're like, this isn't the French. So

811
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:53,480
Speaker 3: Scotland Yard goes to work. The Flying Squad is called

812
00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:56,879
Speaker 3: in the Metropolitan Police of London. They field detectives as

813
00:36:56,920 --> 00:36:59,040
Speaker 3: do the Scottish police are like, look, it's not us,

814
00:36:59,040 --> 00:36:59,640
Speaker 3: but we'll look.

815
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:02,319
Speaker 2: Like you know how when when they all pretend to

816
00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:03,520
Speaker 2: look for something.

817
00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:08,680
Speaker 3: Exactly so that meanwhile the thieves they hide, they lay

818
00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:11,520
Speaker 3: low the feurer ERPs in the headlines. They're reading the papers,

819
00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:14,440
Speaker 3: chatting and laughing to each other. But Ian Hamilton is

820
00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:17,520
Speaker 3: worried about the Stone of scone like actual stone, what

821
00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:20,000
Speaker 3: about getting caught. He's worried about the stone because they

822
00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:23,600
Speaker 3: buried in the earth in the bleak midwinter, as one.

823
00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:24,680
Speaker 2: Might say that easy.

824
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:27,200
Speaker 3: And Ian is concerned that the stone, which hadn't been

825
00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:30,160
Speaker 3: exposed to elements for like six hundred years, would be

826
00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:33,160
Speaker 3: compromised by being shoved into freezing cold earth. So a

827
00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:35,759
Speaker 3: week later New Year's Eve, Ian and Alan Stewart they

828
00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:37,799
Speaker 3: drive back down to where they hid the Stone of

829
00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:40,279
Speaker 3: Destiny in Kent, and they plan to dig it up

830
00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:42,000
Speaker 3: and move it. But when they get there there's a

831
00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:45,160
Speaker 3: camp site, as in a whole community like a caravans

832
00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:47,920
Speaker 3: traveler community. They were just camping right on top of

833
00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:48,560
Speaker 3: the Stone.

834
00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:51,520
Speaker 2: Of stone Stow winter camping exactly.

835
00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:53,600
Speaker 3: Oh, you're in on top of it. That'll come right off.

836
00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:56,920
Speaker 3: So they get a read of the travelers and they decide,

837
00:37:57,120 --> 00:37:58,920
Speaker 3: what the hell, what did they care about the queen? Right,

838
00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:01,000
Speaker 3: So they decided to dig up the Stone of Scone

839
00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:02,600
Speaker 3: right in front of them, and then they ask a

840
00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:04,480
Speaker 3: few of the travelers to help them carry it over

841
00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:06,720
Speaker 3: across the rough earth to their car.

842
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:09,240
Speaker 2: The travelers traveler, yeah.

843
00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:11,960
Speaker 3: The travelers like, yeah, totally will help you. So for

844
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:13,799
Speaker 3: a little bit of a quid there, yeah, they're on it.

845
00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:15,960
Speaker 3: They ship the Stone of Scone in the trunk. They

846
00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:18,760
Speaker 3: thank the travelers and off they go. Now they've stolen

847
00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:21,600
Speaker 3: the Stone of Destiny twice and so they get it

848
00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:23,279
Speaker 3: over the border. This time they take it to a

849
00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:25,960
Speaker 3: friend in Glasgow. They also arrange for k to bring

850
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:28,920
Speaker 3: the other half to the same friend. These amateurs manage

851
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:31,480
Speaker 3: all this sneaking and subterfuge without getting caught. The two

852
00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:34,560
Speaker 3: halves of the Stone of Scone are reunited and the

853
00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:38,000
Speaker 3: friend Elizabeth. His name is Bailey Robert Gray. Now he's

854
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:40,880
Speaker 3: better known as Barty, but Barty as a stone mason.

855
00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:44,120
Speaker 3: So he's about to perform a magic trick and marry

856
00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:46,560
Speaker 3: the two halves of the Stone of Scone back together.

857
00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:49,080
Speaker 3: No gorilla glue, no gorilla groo. Wow, let's take a

858
00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:51,839
Speaker 3: little break and after these superstony ads, man, I'll tell

859
00:38:51,880 --> 00:39:15,280
Speaker 3: you how this crazy Christmas tale ends. All right, Elizabeth,

860
00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:15,759
Speaker 3: we're back.

861
00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:16,600
Speaker 2: We are back.

862
00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:17,480
Speaker 3: So where were we?

863
00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:20,600
Speaker 2: Okay? So you were going to tell me about how

864
00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:24,160
Speaker 2: this man magically reconnects a.

865
00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:25,840
Speaker 3: Broken married stone.

866
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:27,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, sandstone?

867
00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:30,080
Speaker 3: You sandstone? So that's yeah, it's an easier stone to

868
00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:32,640
Speaker 3: work with, right, but it's also difficult because it starts

869
00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:34,400
Speaker 3: to erode. I mean, like you can crumble it. So

870
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:36,400
Speaker 3: then how you're gonna fuse those pieces together? Now you

871
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:39,840
Speaker 3: gotta you get the idea Scottish magic. So, Elizabeth, do

872
00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:42,640
Speaker 3: you miss Glasgow sometimes they do? What do you miss

873
00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:43,160
Speaker 3: most about it?

874
00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:49,800
Speaker 2: I think I just I miss the the culture of

875
00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:53,560
Speaker 2: the city. Then you know, the activities that you can do,

876
00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:55,280
Speaker 2: the arts and stuff.

877
00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:56,319
Speaker 3: Is it cool? At Christmas time?

878
00:39:56,719 --> 00:39:59,160
Speaker 2: Everything shuts down for like two oh right.

879
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:00,520
Speaker 3: You're telling me that, and then they you learned it

880
00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:01,240
Speaker 3: the hard way.

881
00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:04,160
Speaker 2: That I did. Well, someone told me like, hey, heads up, yeah,

882
00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:06,719
Speaker 2: be closed. So I went to the supermarket and I

883
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:09,359
Speaker 2: got some stuff and then I was just hold up

884
00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:12,560
Speaker 2: in my flat the whole time, like watching a lot

885
00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:14,799
Speaker 2: of weird BBC Christmas program Do.

886
00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:16,680
Speaker 3: People go at Christmas caroling? Or they do like any

887
00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:19,160
Speaker 3: social public arts. It was interesting too.

888
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:21,839
Speaker 2: Cold probably it was snowing that, you know when I

889
00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:22,239
Speaker 2: was here.

890
00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:25,359
Speaker 3: So that's the scene at this point, right, nobody's out,

891
00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:28,120
Speaker 3: nobody's doing anything. Everybody's locked up, and they're over there

892
00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:30,640
Speaker 3: hanging out with the stone Mason Birdie Gray. Yeah, right,

893
00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:32,759
Speaker 3: So what does he do to bring his magic to

894
00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:33,320
Speaker 3: this tale?

895
00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:34,759
Speaker 2: I don't know.

896
00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:37,560
Speaker 3: Well, Elizabeth, if you give a stone mason two pieces

897
00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:40,040
Speaker 3: of a legendary rock that you accidentally broke and you

898
00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:41,759
Speaker 3: don't want anyone to know it, and you go, can

899
00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:43,960
Speaker 3: you fix this, He's gonna look at you and he's

900
00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:44,920
Speaker 3: to say, yes, I can.

901
00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:46,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, And he did.

902
00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:50,000
Speaker 3: He drilled a hole in each half of the Stone

903
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:50,560
Speaker 3: of Destiny.

904
00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:50,919
Speaker 2: Yeah.

905
00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:54,680
Speaker 3: Then he drove a brass tube into the holes, and

906
00:40:54,680 --> 00:40:57,560
Speaker 3: then he used that to reunite the two halves, basically

907
00:40:57,560 --> 00:41:00,400
Speaker 3: screw tighten them back together. Sure, but the story goes

908
00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:04,000
Speaker 3: Bertie Gray secreted away a piece of paper inside the

909
00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:07,480
Speaker 3: brass too. What yes, So right, now there's some secret

910
00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:12,080
Speaker 3: like words only Bertie Gray knows because Bertie didn't tell

911
00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:13,799
Speaker 3: anyone what he wrote on the piece of paper, not

912
00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:15,879
Speaker 3: even Ian Hamilton, and like.

913
00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:18,120
Speaker 2: This is so divin she could totally and like a.

914
00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:20,200
Speaker 3: Real g he took the secret to his grave.

915
00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:21,080
Speaker 2: Wow.

916
00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:24,160
Speaker 3: So now the stone is Scone once again one stone.

917
00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:26,640
Speaker 3: The amateur thieves decide it's time for them to part

918
00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:28,880
Speaker 3: with the legendary rock, you know, so there are time's

919
00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:30,680
Speaker 3: over and done with this. We've done, We've made our

920
00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:34,600
Speaker 3: strike for Scottish nationalism. So they handed over to Scottish authorities,

921
00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:37,759
Speaker 3: but not the Scottish police. They handed over to the

922
00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:41,880
Speaker 3: Scottish Covenant Association, which is an organization working to establish

923
00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:45,399
Speaker 3: a Scottish Parliament as part of Scottish independence movement. Their

924
00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:47,480
Speaker 3: authorities and over to the guys.

925
00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:47,759
Speaker 2: Yeah.

926
00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:49,800
Speaker 3: So by this point the police they're kind of closing

927
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:50,680
Speaker 3: in on Ian Hamilton.

928
00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:51,360
Speaker 2: Oh really?

929
00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:55,440
Speaker 3: Oh yeah. The Glasgow detective discovered that Ian had caught

930
00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:59,879
Speaker 3: a librarian's attention. Yes, because months prior to the break

931
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:03,400
Speaker 3: and Ian took out every single book they had on

932
00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:06,920
Speaker 3: the Stone of Scone in the Mitchell Library. Yeah yeah, yeah,

933
00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:08,480
Speaker 3: so he went there and they were like it's a.

934
00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:09,760
Speaker 2: Little suss, yeah exactly.

935
00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:12,600
Speaker 3: So on the police. They never questioned Ian, though they

936
00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:15,280
Speaker 3: did end up questioning Gavin, but and he didn't break

937
00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:18,160
Speaker 3: He's like, I don't know anything, man, go kick rocks. Yes.

938
00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:21,040
Speaker 3: So at this point the Scottish Independence movement had moved

939
00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:23,640
Speaker 3: the Stone of Scone to an underneath the floorboards of

940
00:42:23,640 --> 00:42:26,480
Speaker 3: a local factory, right for safekeeping, in a town called

941
00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:29,280
Speaker 3: bonnie Bridge. So then it gets moved to I'm probably

942
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:32,439
Speaker 3: gonna get this wrong, Cambus, Kenneth Abbey and a place

943
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:33,120
Speaker 3: called Sterling.

944
00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:37,680
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, the Sterling is where the William Wallace

945
00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:39,520
Speaker 2: Ah stuff happened.

946
00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:41,640
Speaker 3: Okay, that makes a lot of sense. So the heat's

947
00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:44,240
Speaker 3: still on because you can't steal the throne of England

948
00:42:44,239 --> 00:42:45,560
Speaker 3: and think they'll be cool with it. Right, So the

949
00:42:45,640 --> 00:42:47,800
Speaker 3: counts of England and Scotland they're all over this theft,

950
00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:49,680
Speaker 3: but they still have no suspects and it's hard to

951
00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:52,680
Speaker 3: look bad. So the Scottish Covenant Association knows things are

952
00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:55,440
Speaker 3: gonna get worse. So but they're loving all this attention.

953
00:42:55,560 --> 00:42:57,840
Speaker 3: Right that the theft is brought to the Scottish independence

954
00:42:57,840 --> 00:43:00,680
Speaker 3: movement and the idea of home rule, because everybody's talking

955
00:43:00,680 --> 00:43:04,040
Speaker 3: about this is clearly about Scottish nationalism huzzah. And so

956
00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:06,080
Speaker 3: they feel there's at this point little left again. They

957
00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:09,839
Speaker 3: got the conversation going, so they return the Stone of Scone.

958
00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:14,040
Speaker 3: They secret away in the abbey at Arbroath. At Arbroath,

959
00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:18,799
Speaker 3: maybe not pronouncing it's arb Rath r Broth. I looked

960
00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:21,839
Speaker 3: up for for pronunciation. That's how it's us yeah Broth. Yeah.

961
00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:24,640
Speaker 3: So the great symbolism in that choice because back in

962
00:43:24,680 --> 00:43:27,960
Speaker 3: the days of your boy Eddie Longshanks in thirteen twenty

963
00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:30,759
Speaker 3: there have been a very famous statement of Scottish independence

964
00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:33,120
Speaker 3: made at this abbey, right, So they take it there

965
00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:35,200
Speaker 3: and they're like here, you go find it there and

966
00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:37,280
Speaker 3: they know that the symbolism will carry And so April

967
00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:39,920
Speaker 3: nineteen fifty one, a year and four months after they

968
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:43,359
Speaker 3: first stole it, the stone gets recovered by authorities. It's

969
00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:47,239
Speaker 3: returned to Westminster Abbey, reinstalled in the coronation chair. The

970
00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:50,360
Speaker 3: chair is repaired just in time for Queen Elizabeth to

971
00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:53,560
Speaker 3: sit her behind down as the new Queen of Great Britain,

972
00:43:53,600 --> 00:43:56,120
Speaker 3: which takes place. Her coronation takes place in June of

973
00:43:56,160 --> 00:44:00,760
Speaker 3: fifty three. So whatever happened to our proud and Larcenouscottish patriots.

974
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:01,680
Speaker 2: What happened to that?

975
00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:04,200
Speaker 3: Well, for one, as Gavin Vernon put it, he never

976
00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:05,320
Speaker 3: had to buy a beer again.

977
00:44:05,600 --> 00:44:08,840
Speaker 2: Of course his zero.

978
00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:11,560
Speaker 3: So the best news is that these four were never

979
00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:13,920
Speaker 3: charged with a single crime. Oh I love it so

980
00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:16,480
Speaker 3: Ky Mathieson continued to be a school teacher, working in

981
00:44:16,520 --> 00:44:20,240
Speaker 3: the West Highlands in Inversadale. She passes away in twenty thirteen.

982
00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:23,640
Speaker 3: Gavin Vernon becomes an electrical engineer and he migrates to Canada,

983
00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:26,280
Speaker 3: and this was in the nineteen sixties. Yeah, he enjoys

984
00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:28,360
Speaker 3: a good long life there. Passes away in two thousand

985
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:31,000
Speaker 3: and four. Alan Stewart stayed around in Scotland. He went

986
00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:34,680
Speaker 3: into business in Glasgow and he passed away in twenty nineteen. Lastly,

987
00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:38,720
Speaker 3: Ian Hamilton went to work in criminal law. He continued

988
00:44:38,719 --> 00:44:41,400
Speaker 3: to fight to advance Scottish independence and when he passed

989
00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:43,520
Speaker 3: at the ripe old age of ninety seven in twenty

990
00:44:43,640 --> 00:44:47,759
Speaker 3: twenty two, the First Minister of Scotland, Nicola Sturgeon, called

991
00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:50,680
Speaker 3: Ian Hamilton quote a legend of the independence movement, and

992
00:44:50,719 --> 00:44:52,719
Speaker 3: she added that he was quote one of the many

993
00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:56,759
Speaker 3: giants on whose shoulders the modern SMP stands nice. She

994
00:44:56,800 --> 00:44:58,440
Speaker 3: said that during her time as the leader of the

995
00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:02,160
Speaker 3: Scottish National Party, treasured Ian Hamilton's words of wisdom and

996
00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:05,840
Speaker 3: encouragement and support. So personally Elizabeth, as a non member

997
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:09,040
Speaker 3: of the SNP but who supports certain dependence movement, I

998
00:45:09,120 --> 00:45:11,040
Speaker 3: love that these cats are so Scottish. They just went

999
00:45:11,080 --> 00:45:13,279
Speaker 3: and stole the scone back. It's stories like this that

1000
00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:15,040
Speaker 3: make Appalachia make more sense.

1001
00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:16,359
Speaker 2: To me, completely right.

1002
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:18,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, So ultimately the crown decides I told you not

1003
00:45:18,520 --> 00:45:20,960
Speaker 3: to prosecute for a very simple reason. As Ian Hamilton

1004
00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:23,719
Speaker 3: said in an interview, I found quote there was such

1005
00:45:23,719 --> 00:45:26,399
Speaker 3: a reaction in Scotland. They were terrified the Scots would

1006
00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:28,479
Speaker 3: have risen up if we had been sent to jail.

1007
00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:30,560
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I was thinking that, Like my god. You know,

1008
00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:34,440
Speaker 2: when you get these folk heroes who do what the

1009
00:45:34,520 --> 00:45:36,960
Speaker 2: populace really wants, yes to happen.

1010
00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:38,320
Speaker 3: Yes, and it may.

1011
00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:41,240
Speaker 2: Be illegal in Suri, Yeah, but you gotta be careful

1012
00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:42,000
Speaker 2: because if you.

1013
00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:46,360
Speaker 3: Pole hero's last pol heroes are powerful. So this eventually,

1014
00:45:46,520 --> 00:45:48,400
Speaker 3: as I said, the choice not to prosecute allows the

1015
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:50,840
Speaker 3: four proud Scotts to enjoy full lives, but also not

1016
00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:53,319
Speaker 3: to become Joe House martyrs for the casts, right, because

1017
00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:56,080
Speaker 3: they're stronger once they're locked up. Eventually, nineteen ninety six,

1018
00:45:56,160 --> 00:45:58,920
Speaker 3: the Queen and Prime Minister, the Queen of England and

1019
00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:02,080
Speaker 3: then separately Prime Minister John Major, they determined that the

1020
00:46:02,120 --> 00:46:05,560
Speaker 3: Stone of Scone should be returned to Scotland. Oh real, yeah,

1021
00:46:05,560 --> 00:46:07,920
Speaker 3: So on November thirtieth, nineteen ninety six, the Stone of

1022
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:10,880
Speaker 3: Scone is brought back to Edinburgh as ten thousand Scotts

1023
00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:13,200
Speaker 3: gather along the path and cheer the return of the

1024
00:46:13,239 --> 00:46:16,760
Speaker 3: stone after seven hundred years away. Of course, it remains

1025
00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:18,759
Speaker 3: there until King Charles gets named the new King of

1026
00:46:18,760 --> 00:46:20,160
Speaker 3: Great Britain and he's like, I need to put my

1027
00:46:20,239 --> 00:46:21,960
Speaker 3: royal fanny on it to make it.

1028
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:24,799
Speaker 2: I got a slap dangler bring it down, so they get.

1029
00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:27,160
Speaker 3: When he find the guy his chance to be king,

1030
00:46:27,239 --> 00:46:29,399
Speaker 3: the Stone of Destiny gets brought back to London from

1031
00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:32,120
Speaker 3: Edinburgh Castle Elizabeth that carried the Stone of Scone in

1032
00:46:32,160 --> 00:46:36,239
Speaker 3: this special Scottish oak carrier box. Nice yeah right. So

1033
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:38,920
Speaker 3: at this point, though, after he does his royal like

1034
00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:41,960
Speaker 3: butt drop, the Stone of Destiny's return to Edinburgh Castle

1035
00:46:42,080 --> 00:46:44,279
Speaker 3: in Scotland, where it now remains in the crown room

1036
00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:45,040
Speaker 3: of the castle.

1037
00:46:45,120 --> 00:46:46,200
Speaker 2: Oh interesting, my man.

1038
00:46:46,200 --> 00:46:48,120
Speaker 3: He and Hamilton. He gave a few interviews in his time,

1039
00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:49,799
Speaker 3: not a ton, but I found a few of them,

1040
00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:51,239
Speaker 3: and he says, some stuff I wanted to share with you,

1041
00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:52,560
Speaker 3: just to wrap this up, because I know you were

1042
00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:55,719
Speaker 3: a fan of Scottish independence. So after his Christmas Day

1043
00:46:55,760 --> 00:46:58,480
Speaker 3: miracle where he hefted the two hundred and forty pound

1044
00:46:58,560 --> 00:47:00,440
Speaker 3: a half of the Stone of Scone to the trunk

1045
00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:03,120
Speaker 3: of his Ford Anglia by himself and stole back the

1046
00:47:03,160 --> 00:47:06,440
Speaker 3: great symbol of Scotland, Ian Hamilton, and he feeling that

1047
00:47:06,480 --> 00:47:08,879
Speaker 3: the critical blow had been struck. He was speaking with

1048
00:47:09,200 --> 00:47:11,520
Speaker 3: an outlet, the Sons of Scotland in two thousand and eight,

1049
00:47:11,600 --> 00:47:14,399
Speaker 3: recalling the feelings, and he said, quote, the great thing

1050
00:47:14,440 --> 00:47:17,759
Speaker 3: about the stone is that it transcends politics. Regardless of

1051
00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:20,799
Speaker 3: our political views. Scott's recognized that there is something that

1052
00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:23,719
Speaker 3: binds us together. So the stone binds like the two

1053
00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:26,400
Speaker 3: pieces that were broken. Right now, thanks to the release

1054
00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:28,480
Speaker 3: of a film, The Story of the Robin Hood Band

1055
00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:30,160
Speaker 3: of Mary Thieves in two thousand and eight, it gets

1056
00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:32,839
Speaker 3: brought back to life. Everyone's talking about him is Ian

1057
00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:35,399
Speaker 3: Hamilton does some more interviews and he starts talking about

1058
00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:39,080
Speaker 3: the enjoyment he got from seeing this story finally come

1059
00:47:39,320 --> 00:47:41,759
Speaker 3: full circle because they had hidden out for most of

1060
00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:44,319
Speaker 3: the years. So he said, and I quote, it's only

1061
00:47:44,360 --> 00:47:46,640
Speaker 3: now that I'm in my eighties that I will talk

1062
00:47:46,680 --> 00:47:49,640
Speaker 3: about the Stone of Destiny. It threw such a shadow

1063
00:47:49,719 --> 00:47:52,720
Speaker 3: that I would have become an invisible person. People referred

1064
00:47:52,760 --> 00:47:55,359
Speaker 3: to me for years as the Stone Man. No matter

1065
00:47:55,400 --> 00:47:57,279
Speaker 3: what I was doing. I had to fight for my

1066
00:47:57,320 --> 00:48:00,279
Speaker 3: own identity, and the only way to do it was

1067
00:48:00,320 --> 00:48:03,640
Speaker 3: to refuse to speak about the Stone. I'm comfortable with

1068
00:48:03,680 --> 00:48:06,440
Speaker 3: it now because I made a separate life for myself.

1069
00:48:06,680 --> 00:48:08,799
Speaker 3: But it wasn't easy. We were trying to get the

1070
00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:12,760
Speaker 3: Scottish people to recognize that a Scottish identity really did exist.

1071
00:48:13,160 --> 00:48:15,879
Speaker 3: The fact that there is all this interest sixty years

1072
00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:19,319
Speaker 3: later proves that we were right. So now, remember how

1073
00:48:19,360 --> 00:48:21,400
Speaker 3: I said, he's a criminal defense lawyer. Yeah, well, what

1074
00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:23,440
Speaker 3: would he have thought if he brought himself a client

1075
00:48:23,600 --> 00:48:26,399
Speaker 3: like himself and said get him off? Right? He said,

1076
00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:28,360
Speaker 3: and I quote, there's no way we were great criminals,

1077
00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:29,960
Speaker 3: all right. When I look back now, I have to

1078
00:48:30,040 --> 00:48:32,640
Speaker 3: laugh at the absurdity of it all. I've defended a

1079
00:48:32,680 --> 00:48:35,479
Speaker 3: lot of daft people during thirty years as a criminal lawyer.

1080
00:48:35,520 --> 00:48:38,319
Speaker 3: But I doubt very much if I've defended anyone who

1081
00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:41,160
Speaker 3: was as daft as we were then. The jails are

1082
00:48:41,160 --> 00:48:44,239
Speaker 3: full of daft people, but we got away with it now.

1083
00:48:44,280 --> 00:48:46,040
Speaker 3: In the end, Ian Hamilton had the best view on

1084
00:48:46,040 --> 00:48:48,400
Speaker 3: the matter. It's all give him the final word, he said,

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Speaker 3: and I quote. To do something for your country that

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Speaker 3: spills not a drop of blood is I think something

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Speaker 3: to be proud of.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it is.

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Speaker 3: There you go, the great British Burglary of the Stone

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Speaker 3: of Scone and the independence Scottish Christmas Miracle in nineteen.

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Speaker 2: Fifty Very Christmas.

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Speaker 3: I love it. So it's a ridiculous takeaway.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think our takeaway is that, you know, when

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Speaker 2: you have a people who are kind of taken over.

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Speaker 2: There's a distinct culture in Scotland apart from English. Yes,

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Speaker 2: And you know when you try and carve things up

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Speaker 2: and not really pay attention to the people of it,

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Speaker 2: you know at some point they can't they will resist, yes,

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Speaker 2: and I do you know, I do support an independent Scotland,

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Speaker 2: you know, and it's just an incredible you know country

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Speaker 2: and incredible people. And they deserve. They deserve independence, you know,

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Speaker 2: much like Catalonia.

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Speaker 3: Well, my ridiculous takeaway, Elizabeth, thank you for asking me

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Speaker 3: go ahead. You know, when they broke the Stone of Scone,

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Speaker 3: I would have been like, well now there's two stones.

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Speaker 3: Never would have put it back together.

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Speaker 2: Oh you wouldn't know it.

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Speaker 3: Have been though. God works some mysterious ways. I don't

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Speaker 3: have to tell you. Stone of Destiny is now two destinies.

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Speaker 3: We are a cleaved people. Yeah, spoke, that's what I

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Speaker 3: have done.

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Speaker 2: I love that they used someone who had this this

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Speaker 2: old mastery as a stonemason, and you know, kind of

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Speaker 2: makes me think about like rebuilding Notre Dame Cathedral, how

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Speaker 2: they pulled in all of these artisans worked exactly and

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Speaker 2: they made it exactly like it had been built the

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Speaker 2: first time. And so you I love the again. It's

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Speaker 2: that kind of Scottish rascalism of like I'm going to

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Speaker 2: put this little note and to have this incredible way

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Speaker 2: to bind the stone back together, have something in there.

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Speaker 3: And not tell anyone, not even your compatriots.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and they're never going to break it open to

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Speaker 2: exact it out. I love that so much. And it's

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Speaker 2: just like that's the perseverance. Yes, and that's the that's

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Speaker 2: the the rye humor that I love it. I would

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Speaker 2: move back.

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Speaker 3: It's like a Scottish warlock cast a curse or some

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Speaker 3: kind of spell.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, I'd move back, but I need sunshine. As

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Speaker 2: a California girl, that was like, really the motivator for

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Speaker 2: me to move home was.

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Speaker 3: This, if only Scotland was off the coast of Spain.

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Speaker 2: Well, you know, global warming.

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Speaker 3: It doesn't work like that.

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Speaker 2: It may may eat up there and then you know,

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Speaker 2: who knows, but that's true.

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Speaker 3: You could bring the temperatures up. Yeah I did.

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Speaker 2: I did not see sun when I was there, like

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Speaker 2: and I became translucent and look at all the veins.

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Speaker 2: I know. So yeah, I do. I do need sun.

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Speaker 2: And you know it's hard enough here in the Bay

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Speaker 2: Area when it gets crazy for like a month, This.

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Speaker 3: Is enough for me. I'm like, oh my god, it's

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00:51:43,280 --> 00:51:48,480
Speaker 3: been cloudy for days. You know, we also need a talkback.

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00:51:49,520 --> 00:51:52,239
Speaker 3: Can you lighten up this air with a talkback? Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Speaking of cold weather.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, I love jee.

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Speaker 5: I just finished listening to Crazy Mike and High Fine Ryan.

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Speaker 5: I live outside of Boston and about ten years ago

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Speaker 5: at the beginning of the year, we had over seven

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Speaker 5: feet of snow in a very short period of time,

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Speaker 5: and the Mayor of Boston had to go on the

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Speaker 5: local news and ask everybody to not jump off their

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Speaker 5: roofs or out their windows into the snow. And that's ridiculous.

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Speaker 2: That's totally You can see the appeal of doing it.

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00:52:32,480 --> 00:52:34,800
Speaker 2: You can also see the absolute danger.

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00:52:35,000 --> 00:52:37,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, and the whole Like your cousin from Boston.

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00:52:37,560 --> 00:52:40,120
Speaker 2: Forgot that they're under there.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that's the thing people forget, Like the snow

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Speaker 3: is not going to forget, be very forgiving once you

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Speaker 3: hit whatever it's covering.

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Speaker 2: Huh, that is ridiculous.

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Speaker 3: That was good. Well. Oh ways, you can find us

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