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Speaker 1: All right, ketos, let's get into it part two.
Speaker 3: What scene are we on now?
Speaker 1: We are at the racketball court, which I thought was
Speaker 1: a really funny.
Speaker 3: This was good. And the only thing is if it
Speaker 3: was today, it would have been pickleball. But yeah, it's
Speaker 3: a racketball. That's what I was thinking.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was that was there was no privacy on
Speaker 1: a racketball.
Speaker 3: True, it was. That was very clever bit too, that
Speaker 3: they're just sitting there and the people come in and
Speaker 3: they're like, no, we have.
Speaker 1: This court right, thank you appreciate it.
Speaker 3: That was a that was a very gilmoury that felt
Speaker 3: good to me.
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm not like, yeah, you know, and
Speaker 1: this is where you know, I really Lauren has such
Speaker 1: great comedic timing and such great skills and an ease
Speaker 1: of delivery, you know, and the speed of delivery it's
Speaker 1: also great. And it's it's one I said in this scene,
Speaker 1: I said, God, why just she had better stuff to do?
Speaker 3: I also thought she I mean, and sorry for me
Speaker 3: for judging. She looks amazing in this episode, like she's
Speaker 3: getting prettier and cooler and just like physically looks so
Speaker 3: lore liiish. That's why, like maybe some of the awkward parts,
Speaker 3: I was like, this is awkward. But the racketball was good.
Speaker 3: It felt authentic to me, it felt less weird. That's
Speaker 3: sort of where I was at. I was like, okay,
Speaker 3: that was That was my problem with the episode. I
Speaker 3: was sort of felt like I was being you know,
Speaker 3: step on the gas, off the gass. I'm like, you know,
Speaker 3: like when someone's a bad driver. Because I'm like, that
Speaker 3: was weird. No, that was great. That was weird. Why
Speaker 3: why is part of this so off and part of
Speaker 3: it isn't? Yeah?
Speaker 1: And I could tell that Lauren is probably a very
Speaker 1: good tennis player and very good racquetball player, but she
Speaker 1: faked it. You could tell she was faking it.
Speaker 3: That's funny.
Speaker 1: It was hard for her to act like bad, to
Speaker 1: be bad, that's funny.
Speaker 3: That's funny.
Speaker 1: You could tell she was good at it.
Speaker 3: Because I sometimes see people playing tennis and TV shows
Speaker 3: and you're like, oh, they had to really try to
Speaker 3: act like they were good, and they had to like
Speaker 3: like figure out how to shoot that so they seem good.
Speaker 1: Right, there's all those tennis movies where people serve and
Speaker 1: the ball goes about two miles an hour. That's like, oh,
Speaker 1: there's an ace or like a bad baseball swing and
Speaker 1: a baseball right.
Speaker 3: You would so be like able to watch on a
Speaker 3: baseball movie and be like that person doesn't even know
Speaker 3: what they're doing, know what's going on.
Speaker 1: She's hitting the eyeball with a racquetball.
Speaker 3: Oh yes, yes, yes, yes, and she has the injury
Speaker 3: and they're gonna put the peas on it, right, right, okay, right, injury. Actually,
Speaker 3: she looked like so good with the injury.
Speaker 1: I was like, oh wow, right, So then they're down,
Speaker 1: she's down in the kitchen. She's getting and this is
Speaker 1: when you start. I started feeling very uncomfortable about this.
Speaker 1: She's getting rid of some of Luke Luke's things in
Speaker 1: such a casual way, so weird, and it's just like
Speaker 1: this is the episodes off, this is this doesn't feel
Speaker 1: like the show anymore. You know, there's there's something being
Speaker 1: forced upon us here.
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, because again we've like obviously I've seen her
Speaker 4: sleep with Chris and walk the whole ultimatum thing, but
Speaker 4: they still haven't said it's over. So it's a little premature.
Speaker 3: When do we get the awkward call from Christopher.
Speaker 1: Oh well, well now we're at Lukes.
Speaker 3: What else happens in that pea scene? Anything else significant?
Speaker 3: For some reason, I can't remember getting rid of Luke's.
Speaker 1: Bathroom. Oh yeah, yeah, weird his shaving creams.
Speaker 4: Super We always start with the bathroom.
Speaker 3: Nobody's doings goes.
Speaker 1: Every day, and you'll always look.
Speaker 3: Keen, nobody's doing that the next day.
Speaker 1: By the way, Yeah, now let's move on, move on
Speaker 1: to the red light event. The entire time Iconic is there.
Speaker 1: Patty start and Luke is driving Tailor's they're going to
Speaker 1: do a demonstration.
Speaker 3: He's driving Kirk is driving Tailor's sixty four T Bird. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and he's beauty gloves on and he's.
Speaker 1: All, yeah, he's eviling the whole thing, right.
Speaker 3: God.
Speaker 1: Then it starts.
Speaker 5: And flashed three times in the eyes, goes blind from
Speaker 5: the camera, flashes for red light camera, and takes a
Speaker 5: sharp right turn right into Luke's diner, destroys the place.
Speaker 1: I mean, how did they shoot that scene?
Speaker 3: By the way, like, where was that? That's a great question.
Speaker 1: That was Luke Stuner. They actually they.
Speaker 3: Had to rebuild it really oh wow, but they didn't.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they actually crashed the car. Oh wow.
Speaker 6: I thought maybe it was a sound like just the
Speaker 6: drive up was a sound stage or something.
Speaker 7: Oh no, no, that that looked like they're just on
Speaker 7: the set that we all have been to and just
Speaker 7: were That's like a one take, like you have a good.
Speaker 1: Point, that's pushing Jeff just in the lake. One take.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that was.
Speaker 1: Fledgehammer one take. Yeah, brutal.
Speaker 6: It was like I thought, so bad, Like Luke never
Speaker 6: wants to be involved in any of Taylor's stuff to
Speaker 6: begin with, and now Lucas doesn't want Lucas, Yeah, he
Speaker 6: doesn't want to be involved, and now this crash is
Speaker 6: right into his Yeah, that was wrong.
Speaker 1: But then but then we get the uh, the Luke victory,
Speaker 1: I mean the Kirk victory coming out unscathed, uninjured. What
Speaker 1: does he say? What does he say? I'm okay, oh yeah, okay.
Speaker 3: I think it's later, But Lulu's like totally no, Like
Speaker 3: all she cares about it is taking care of Kirk.
Speaker 3: And like the entire diner is ruined and there's just
Speaker 3: a car stuck in there, and it's just like had
Speaker 3: some good moments in this too, well.
Speaker 1: It's not the kind of thing you see on Gilmore Girls,
Speaker 1: but here we have it. Here's yet another thing that
Speaker 1: is foreign.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but it felt that it's still just.
Speaker 1: An actual, like you know, a crash.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was outlandish, but I still wasn't like, I
Speaker 3: still was okay with it. I'm giving that a pass.
Speaker 3: I had many other.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that scene could have fit in in any other episode. Yeah, storyline.
Speaker 6: I think here why I worked here is because you
Speaker 6: already feel so bad for Luke, and so everything's happened.
Speaker 6: Now you're like, yeah, this guy, this guy just can't
Speaker 6: win today, like.
Speaker 4: It is not his day, no month.
Speaker 1: All right. Now we're back at Laurel's Alison, it's mother daughter, and.
Speaker 6: So this is where I had a flag on the episode.
Speaker 1: She tells Lorlai about the crash. Yeah, so that was
Speaker 1: She continues tossing all of Luke's.
Speaker 3: Stud gone running to the diner, like it just didn't rap.
Speaker 6: I think it was really weird that Rory didn't have
Speaker 6: any sympathy towards Luke. She to me, she was so
Speaker 6: immature in this episode and like, yeah, it's funny, like
Speaker 6: we're laughing about it, and now like oh my god,
Speaker 6: like Kurt crash, but I think there was nothing like
Speaker 6: it took Lorelai to say, wait, he ran into Luke's
Speaker 6: like into Luke Steiner until where he's like.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but like you know, he was fine or whatever.
Speaker 6: She just acted like such a child there, and knowing
Speaker 6: that last night her mom broke up with Luke, she
Speaker 6: didn't say anything.
Speaker 3: And she also loves the guy and he's like a
Speaker 3: father doer.
Speaker 6: Exactly, and so like, yeah, like Kirk crashing and because
Speaker 6: this went wrong is funny. But the fact that she
Speaker 6: just had zero sympathy is where I had to put
Speaker 6: a flag in the writing because I was like, this
Speaker 6: is so not like Rory.
Speaker 1: I so agree with you. I'm gonna throw all my
Speaker 1: flags after the fact, Yeah, to support that, because it's
Speaker 1: like is this a cartoon flag? Well, is this a
Speaker 1: cartoon or is it a serious drama? Is it a
Speaker 1: light comedy? What is going on here?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Right? Because really it's like your terror, you're so right,
Speaker 1: you really hit the nail on the head. Oh, I'm
Speaker 1: just getting rid of all this stuff because I'm a
Speaker 1: cartoon character. I don't have any feelings anymore. And we
Speaker 1: didn't really had a full relationship for you know, ten
Speaker 1: thousand in years.
Speaker 3: He's also her best friend.
Speaker 1: It's like crashed in the diner. Oh well, I'm still
Speaker 1: getting rid of his stuff. Let's get rid of the
Speaker 1: bobbit and all the you know, what is happening with this?
Speaker 1: This breakup is so abrupt, it's so cold. Yeah, so final.
Speaker 1: There's no emotion in it, there's no any kind of
Speaker 1: find it.
Speaker 4: But like also like not at the same time, it.
Speaker 3: Just happened yesterday.
Speaker 4: Like that's the other thing is like time has it
Speaker 4: didn't even happened?
Speaker 3: Can I say something to see what you guys think?
Speaker 1: And I gave him an ultimatum and he didn't tell me,
Speaker 1: just you know this kind of thing, and then that's
Speaker 1: it and I'm done and it's over.
Speaker 3: It's an een sewen seed jump the shark, Like what's happening?
Speaker 1: Mm hmmm. Yeah.
Speaker 6: You think they just wanted to move ahead? Do you
Speaker 6: think because season seven, episode one starts the day after
Speaker 6: they just kind of wanted to like skip over a
Speaker 6: bunch because like we didn't come back from summer break
Speaker 6: this season.
Speaker 3: You mean like kind of just get some just get
Speaker 3: through it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know, I don't know, so maybe maybe
Speaker 1: the studio thought that the you know, the Luke wasn't
Speaker 1: that important a character, this relationship wasn't that important to
Speaker 1: the show. They're going to toss it away and and
Speaker 1: and Laura le and Rory are going to be have
Speaker 1: go along the path heavily after after and just an
Speaker 1: afterthought and just get rid of it and all that,
Speaker 1: because that's the cartoonish nature of it for me. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it doesn't track.
Speaker 6: I think mainly they just want to get through this
Speaker 6: breakup storyline and then move on to what the next,
Speaker 6: like whether getting back together or whatever it is. It
Speaker 6: just felt like, said very.
Speaker 1: Rush, Well, why would they want to get through something
Speaker 1: like this that the fans have invested so much into
Speaker 1: for so long, And if they're going to do it,
Speaker 1: do it right. I mean, take the name with it.
Speaker 1: This is like the kind of stuff where you know,
Speaker 1: people get nominated with that because the writing is so
Speaker 1: rich and the feelings are so deep, and there's so
Speaker 1: much humor that could come so handled by an Amy
Speaker 1: and Dan. Right, this is a different.
Speaker 3: Episode, A little messy. This episode. It's a little messy.
Speaker 3: Here's something I find interesting.
Speaker 1: Season emotional logic.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it just logic.
Speaker 1: It's emotionally illogical.
Speaker 3: Season seven lost two million, two million viewers.
Speaker 1: Oh is that right?
Speaker 3: From the end of season six. And here's what's interesting
Speaker 3: about that. It's not like they watched this episode and
Speaker 3: then never came back. They didn't come back from season six, Like,
Speaker 3: it's not like they watched it like we are and
Speaker 3: we're like, this sucks. I don't want to watch this
Speaker 3: show anymore. They just gave up after season six.
Speaker 1: I mean, the people were watching this show because they
Speaker 1: believed so strongly in this relationship between Luke and Laurel,
Speaker 1: I of idyllic love, idealized love, the perfect love, right
Speaker 1: almost the perfect man who will suffer endlessly for his love,
Speaker 1: and when he finally gets it and they are finally together,
Speaker 1: this is what they do. They don't even let them
Speaker 1: get married. This is what they do. So it must
Speaker 1: have felt like, and we can talk to the fans
Speaker 1: about this and they'll respond, how big a betrayal this
Speaker 1: must have been for their loyalty and for their you know,
Speaker 1: their dedication to the show. It must have felt like
Speaker 1: they were just getting stabbed in the back, Like what
Speaker 1: did I what did I spend six years? What just happened?
Speaker 1: I just spent six years giving this show every good
Speaker 1: feeling and every hope and every aspiration that I had
Speaker 1: for romantic love, and they're doing this. His stuff is
Speaker 1: getting thrown in the garbage after she cheats on him.
Speaker 1: I mean, that is right, right as a nuclear bomb
Speaker 1: on the dropped on the audience. It seems like sensibilities
Speaker 1: on the morals of the audience.
Speaker 3: People really saw Season seven on DVD and on streaming
Speaker 3: because they didn't really watch it in its first run.
Speaker 3: I mean, only four four and a half million people
Speaker 3: watched it, and we know that it's had such a
Speaker 3: bigger life on DVD and streaming. I don't know, it's
Speaker 3: interesting to think about, Like, I don't know. Look, I
Speaker 3: like Season seven more than I liked the movies. I
Speaker 3: hate to say. I mean, I know, we're what twenty
Speaker 3: four weeks from talking about the movies. I had a
Speaker 3: lot of issues with the movies.
Speaker 6: I'm actually upset Amy. I actually usually stop watching Season seven.
Speaker 6: I enjoyed the movies.
Speaker 3: So do you rewatch the movies? I have, Yeah, I've
Speaker 3: only watched them all once and had there were moments,
Speaker 3: But man, there are things I hate.
Speaker 6: I mean, there are definitely things I don't like about
Speaker 6: the movies. But I think that and going back to
Speaker 6: what you said about how many people dropped off after
Speaker 6: season six, Like when I watched when we recap the
Speaker 6: last episode, I was like, I don't want to watch
Speaker 6: the next episode because it's so sad, like I don't
Speaker 6: want to see what's coming. And for us it's just
Speaker 6: two weeks later. For other people it's I don't know,
Speaker 6: four or five months later, and it's like, no, I'm
Speaker 6: disappointed in what happened and I don't want to come
Speaker 6: back to it. Yeah, but I think the difference with
Speaker 6: the movies is it was more of nostalgia and that's
Speaker 6: why I like going back.
Speaker 3: I think, yes, I was way more excited about the movies. Wait,
Speaker 3: this seems like a good moment, Danielle, will you read
Speaker 3: what Suzanne's Even though Suzanne can't talk, we did have
Speaker 3: her give her thoughts and then we can talk about
Speaker 3: that as a Scott continues to go through them.
Speaker 4: So Suzanne, she said, overall, the episode made me profoundly sad.
Speaker 4: Luke and Lourlai both want the same thing each other,
Speaker 4: but they've both screwed it up so badly that they
Speaker 4: can't see the way out. More specifically, Loreli's analogy about
Speaker 4: hanging on the bumper was perfect, but she should have
Speaker 4: been saying it to Luke. I love the visual metaphor
Speaker 4: of Laura I sitting in her empty living room and
Speaker 4: Luke sitting at the diner with all the debris around him,
Speaker 4: a true representation of their lives. And the scene where
Speaker 4: she tells him she slept with Chris is brutal. Definitely
Speaker 4: some of Scott's best work in the entire series.
Speaker 3: What a nice thing.
Speaker 1: Wow, all get that raise. He's a crafty negotiator.
Speaker 3: Her, she's in quotes sick.
Speaker 1: It's a tactic from the law from us. Act like
Speaker 1: you're sick, compliment them, you'll get what you want, all right.
Speaker 1: So now we're at the house and Laurel lies telling
Speaker 1: Rory to go to London. She said, like, just go right,
Speaker 1: who cares what the rocket means, Just go to London.
Speaker 1: Get on a planet. I can go to Lund. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you can go all right. So then so now we
Speaker 1: have the scene after that, Luke sitting amongst the wreckage
Speaker 1: of his life, as I wrote down, and I thought
Speaker 1: that was a very poignant moment. And I'm glad they
Speaker 1: didn't linger on it because it was the perfect amount
Speaker 1: of time for the camera just to pan by him
Speaker 1: and there you go. You get it. Great storytelling, love
Speaker 1: the stuff that tells the story without the dialogue, because
Speaker 1: there's so much dialogue, and that's rare when you see
Speaker 1: a scene like that in this show. Uh so, now
Speaker 1: this is so we have Rory and Laurel I in
Speaker 1: whose bedroom is she in? They're in?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 3: Yes? Is this where she runs up to Laura's bedroom
Speaker 3: and tells her I know what the rocket.
Speaker 1: Is right exactly. She'd been doing a research the Twilight
Speaker 1: Zone episod so suspended Animation, True Love, Rocket Boy the
Speaker 1: whole time.
Speaker 3: That was cool.
Speaker 1: That was that was good. Yeah, she's researching her theory
Speaker 1: late to know what's the rocket mean.
Speaker 3: She's googling it up and down, relating.
Speaker 1: It to Logan's favorite Twilight Center.
Speaker 3: Good acting by her by Rory. Alexis being ecstatic when
Speaker 3: you figure it out. And not only are ecstatic, you
Speaker 3: figured out it's such a lovely sentiment. So I was like, Okay,
Speaker 3: I'm all jazz. This is great. Go to London, go
Speaker 3: call it right.
Speaker 1: So it's a good it's a good way to set
Speaker 1: us up for what's about to happen, which is the
Speaker 1: phone call.
Speaker 3: She just was a balloon pop what sure was?
Speaker 1: And I'm thinking, man, I'd like to go to Paris
Speaker 1: in Rome for two weeks and on a getaway. That
Speaker 1: sounds good to make, but for a young girl, I
Speaker 1: guess that's not what she wanted.
Speaker 4: But she no, she doesn't want it. She just doesn't
Speaker 4: want it six months or not even then seven eight
Speaker 4: months from now.
Speaker 3: I think it just made her anxious too.
Speaker 1: To be Yeah, he just needed to step up and
Speaker 1: be very clear, I want you here.
Speaker 3: Yeah, she could have too and just said, hey, I
Speaker 3: want to come down. I didn't think about this earlier.
Speaker 6: But also could be like she doesn't want to interfere
Speaker 6: with him and his dad, right, But she didn't.
Speaker 1: She didn't really, she's not afraid of his dad. She's
Speaker 1: not afraid of his dad that well, but but his
Speaker 1: relationship with right and I think his future as well. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So how committed is she right to at least have
Speaker 1: the talk? And I think there's some missing pieces here
Speaker 1: that we all recognize that we wish we had its cover,
Speaker 1: but we don't have them.
Speaker 3: We did.
Speaker 4: Forget to mention that Christopher called and asked her to dinner.
Speaker 1: Oh, I think I was so stunned. It was didn't
Speaker 1: even and I just sort of dropped the pen like.
Speaker 4: It was like, at least he's not one world Christopher.
Speaker 1: It's illusion.
Speaker 4: Is he's so delusional that he does not know what
Speaker 4: is happening.
Speaker 6: Just amazing, like you think you're back together this woman
Speaker 6: even if it was like let's say hypothetically, if it
Speaker 6: was something in the future, she just broke up her engagement.
Speaker 1: He's not aware that he is.
Speaker 3: I mean, look, I would rather him call to not call,
Speaker 3: Like we don't want him to not call. Then he's
Speaker 3: just like kind of a jerk. But he really is
Speaker 3: so into her and she's so not right now.
Speaker 6: I'd rather him not call, like they're going to talk eventually.
Speaker 4: But if he's gonna call, say hey, like are you
Speaker 4: doing okay?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Right, well that would have been better.
Speaker 1: But I mean, what do you expect. Is this guy
Speaker 1: ever played his cards right? However, in any situation new
Speaker 1: this guy's dealt aces in his life and he keeps
Speaker 1: just blowing. It keeps folding.
Speaker 4: Hey, Laura, want to go to dinner?
Speaker 6: No, it's always.
Speaker 1: Lor Maybe you come by I'm making something. My hair's
Speaker 1: getting a little long. Maybe you give me another buzz cut. Yeah, anyway,
Speaker 1: so now we have the uh now have it just breaks?
Speaker 1: This is this scene where the steak goes into the
Speaker 1: heart of the vampire and finally kills it. Uh Luke
Speaker 1: uh makes it, pulls up in his truck like Jed
Speaker 1: Klampet in the Beverly Hill Bills and says, you know, Laura, al,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get you out of here, take you to.
Speaker 3: This is blurred, this scene, the two Luke scenes. I've
Speaker 3: got them.
Speaker 1: Soard make you to Mariland to marry it, and then
Speaker 1: we're gonna go for a month for a week, and
Speaker 1: we're gonna set up tents, have our honeymoon. And it's
Speaker 1: just like God, I did not recognize that man.
Speaker 3: I recognized him coming and.
Speaker 6: Trying, but not what he said about Marilyn and looping.
Speaker 3: Right and just like right and just like almost I
Speaker 3: don't almost caving. Right. It's like, be true to the
Speaker 3: fact that you have a kid and this is difficult,
Speaker 3: and that's okay. Do you know what I'm saying? Like
Speaker 3: you don't need to just do a one to eighty,
Speaker 3: Like stay true to the fact, but communicate it. I
Speaker 3: love you, You're everything to me. I'm so it's not
Speaker 3: even overwhelmed. I'm so like I'm lost in my situation
Speaker 3: right now.
Speaker 1: It's so big, and this is why it doesn't track.
Speaker 1: One of the reasons this doesn't track is because what
Speaker 1: were Amy and Dan so clever about. They always did
Speaker 1: the small thing when in the big moment, the big thing.
Speaker 1: In the small moment, they always did the opposite. They
Speaker 1: always gave you something you never saw coming, never expected,
Speaker 1: So that the move here so true would be that
Speaker 1: Luke breaks it off because he sees how unhappy she is.
Speaker 1: It's the noble thing to do because I really need
Speaker 1: to get to know my kid better. This isn't fair
Speaker 1: to you, So I'm going to break this off so
Speaker 1: you can go live your life. And it's the hardest
Speaker 1: thing I ever did. It would have been the greatest
Speaker 1: scene ever written.
Speaker 3: That is a really great all out. They did the
Speaker 3: small thing. And I think that's why this episode is
Speaker 3: so weird, because it's like not there's like some subtleties
Speaker 3: that are missing, Whereas in the end of season six,
Speaker 3: we want him to do the big thing, we want
Speaker 3: him no stop, but he doesn't do it because that's
Speaker 3: not what he does.
Speaker 1: Right. Not only does he not fight for her in
Speaker 1: the right way, he lets her dump him right. So
Speaker 1: he's out of touch. So they're completely disconnected because of
Speaker 1: his kid. No, do the noble thing. It saves her character,
Speaker 1: it gives her dignity. She retains her dignity, He retains
Speaker 1: his dignity. Yeah, you're right. Jumping the shark a little bit.
Speaker 3: Now, jump in the shark a little bit stuff sharks,
Speaker 3: jumping us the diner stuff tracked when he's in the
Speaker 3: diner and they're like, do him move the car, keep
Speaker 3: the car, and move the car, keep the car, And
Speaker 3: he's not talking about the car at all. Yeah, he's like,
Speaker 3: I can't make these decisions. This is so hard for me.
Speaker 3: Obviously we know it's not about the car. He doesn't
Speaker 3: give a crap about the car or the diner or
Speaker 3: any of it right now. So that was I like
Speaker 3: that that parallel. We've seen that with Luke before, so
Speaker 3: that was sort of interesting. But you're right, it's too
Speaker 3: much for us with Luke with the truck all filled
Speaker 3: with weird crap and like let's just go now, and
Speaker 3: it's like, no, you should be a little mad, actually, Luke,
Speaker 3: that she broke up with you and gave you this
Speaker 3: aull tomt it like, I don't know that not mad,
Speaker 3: but hurt is a better word.
Speaker 1: Maybe you know it's unfortunate. And I'm gonna make a
Speaker 1: blanket statement. Here's probably gonna get me in a lot
Speaker 1: of trouble. But here's what I think. I think productions,
Speaker 1: whether they're in film and television, who value the opinions
Speaker 1: of their cast and versus those who don't. I think
Speaker 1: you get better television and film when people, directors, producers, whoever,
Speaker 1: studios are open to the ideas of their cast.
Speaker 3: It's so interesting.
Speaker 1: And I know, I know Lauren had a million.
Speaker 3: Ideas and they didn't do them.
Speaker 1: I don't know whether they did them or not, but
Speaker 1: I know she was very, very vocal, and you know,
Speaker 1: I had some issues at times. But you need to
Speaker 1: be in an environment where that kind of thing is
Speaker 1: welcome because it's kind of rare.
Speaker 3: It's interesting you say that. I was listening to the
Speaker 3: Glee Rewatched podcast and Amber Riley talked about this the
Speaker 3: other day, where they wanted her character to do something
Speaker 3: and she went in and stead no. And I think
Speaker 3: they tried to convince her and again I'm paraphrasing, and
Speaker 3: she said no, when the character didn't do it, They
Speaker 3: went with what the actor felt was authentic to the character.
Speaker 3: And I thought, oh, that's pretty.
Speaker 1: Cool because you know, they may have their ideas. Even
Speaker 1: if they created the character and they write the character,
Speaker 1: doesn't necessarily mean all of the time that they know
Speaker 1: the character better than the person that's portraying the character.
Speaker 3: M do you think a show is better like Barry
Speaker 3: for example, where somebody give me his name, Henry Winkler,
Speaker 3: and the guy from Saturday Night Live that plays Barry,
Speaker 3: he wins all those awards. Come on, somebody, somebody, Bill Hayter,
Speaker 3: thank you so much. So Bill Hayter, like is the
Speaker 3: star of the show, writes the show and directs the show. Right,
Speaker 3: It probably is. It's such a hugely successful show and
Speaker 3: so critically acclaimed because like you're saying, the actor is
Speaker 3: the character, he's also writing the and directing it, right,
Speaker 3: So you're not. And I'm sure if he got notes,
Speaker 3: he'd be like, thank you for your notes, ignored. Do
Speaker 3: you know what I mean? I don't want to speak
Speaker 3: for Bill Hater, but you see what I'm saying is like,
Speaker 3: I wonder if Lauren wrote the show and was directing it,
Speaker 3: if it would have felt more authentic to the character.
Speaker 3: It does feel a little screwy here.
Speaker 1: No, not necessarily right, the show just let's have a talk.
Speaker 1: This is how I feel where the character should go.
Speaker 1: Some of these narratives just don't work for me. I'm
Speaker 1: concerned about it. You can't really open your mouth unless
Speaker 1: you're a producer on the show.
Speaker 3: Right, would you have felt scared to do it?
Speaker 1: It's politically risky and you know, has that changed over time? Actually?
Speaker 1: I had a lot of freedom on the first year
Speaker 1: of Sullivan's Crossing, and I think the results in terms
Speaker 1: of what I was doing are apparent for all to see.
Speaker 1: And I noticed it second seasons a little more difficult
Speaker 1: because then there's more studios involved. Now now it's a hit,
Speaker 1: and now it's like, well, you know, so your voice
Speaker 1: gets sort of cut me muted, muted, you know, it's
Speaker 1: better way.
Speaker 3: It's interesting.
Speaker 1: But that's but if you're not a producer on the show,
Speaker 1: it's hard to have your input, you know, taken in
Speaker 1: all of the time, or even a little bit of
Speaker 1: the time.
Speaker 3: So I get that because too, Like if you think
Speaker 3: about like if you've got bills to pay and kids
Speaker 3: sent to college, you're a little bit more hesitant to
Speaker 3: be that guy or girl that's like the hey, no, no, no,
Speaker 3: because you don't want to lose your job.
Speaker 1: There are a lot of people involved in this business
Speaker 1: that have no idea what good storytelling is. Who are
Speaker 1: in positions of power. That's the problem, because let me
Speaker 1: tell you one thing. The great actors, the serious actors,
Speaker 1: no storytelling better than all of them. They just do.
Speaker 1: And I think if they're listened to, their productions improved
Speaker 1: by a magnitude, by a magnitude. That's what all interesting. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they're part of They have to be part of the
Speaker 1: creative process. If you want a great product, if you
Speaker 1: want a great show or a great film, they have
Speaker 1: to be part of the conversation. Their input has to
Speaker 1: be listening.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I almost would have thought that in season seven
Speaker 3: you lose Amy and Dan, you know, obviously the guy
Speaker 3: that took over is great and knows what he's doing.
Speaker 3: I think I would have been like, hey, this is
Speaker 3: gnarly scary, Like we just lost our writer, director, creator.
Speaker 3: Let's all put our heads together and figure out how
Speaker 3: to make the best show. I think you would have
Speaker 3: thought they would have wanted the actors at that point
Speaker 3: more because you know, the character is better than anybody
Speaker 3: other than probably Amy and Dan.
Speaker 1: You know what. Nobody wants to listen to the actors
Speaker 1: most of the time because the writers, you know, they
Speaker 1: feel like they're smarter than everybody, and you know they'll
Speaker 1: be damned if they're going to take a note from
Speaker 1: an actor. That's kind of how they look at And
Speaker 1: I think the reason that happens is writers, for the
Speaker 1: most part, are the most looked down upon a group
Speaker 1: in the creative process in the business. Oh, they're not
Speaker 1: giving a great deal of respect. They're interchangeable. Actors are
Speaker 1: interchangeable writers actors, you know.
Speaker 3: And that brings me back to my Bill Hayder theory
Speaker 3: that like, if you are the writer who's also the star,
Speaker 3: you'd be so much more open to hearing from the actors.
Speaker 1: But if you're a writer, director, creator, producer, then you
Speaker 1: get respect. Okay, Oh interesting, if you're just a writer
Speaker 1: and you're on a staff, you're not getting a lot
Speaker 1: of respect. If you're just an actor and you're not
Speaker 1: a producer, if you're not a huge star. You're not
Speaker 1: getting a lot of RS.
Speaker 3: And Gilmour was a show where you say every word
Speaker 3: the way it is written. Yes, yeah, so that's kind
Speaker 3: of interesting.
Speaker 1: And you know what, it wasn't a problem because the
Speaker 1: words were so great, right right, right, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. It's like, yeah, I get to say that.
Speaker 1: It was like Aliens in America didn't really do anything
Speaker 1: ratings wise, but we got to say those words, and
Speaker 1: it was a thrill to go home and read those scripts.
Speaker 1: You know, you're like, wow, I get to say these words.
Speaker 1: This is really cool, great writing, you know, great writers.
Speaker 1: But when that isn't the case, and it doesn't you know,
Speaker 1: and it's these are subtle gradations. I mean, it doesn't
Speaker 1: take a lot to ruin a script right, well.
Speaker 3: Early, because this is almost a great episode.
Speaker 1: Yeah see yet how much great stuff there is in it, right,
Speaker 1: and how darn entertaining it is.
Speaker 3: I enjoyed it, right. I definitely had my time where
Speaker 3: I was like, I would rather have five more seasons
Speaker 3: of this than end at season seven. But it's not
Speaker 3: the same.
Speaker 1: But they wrecked the wreck. They wrecked the love story
Speaker 1: for seven million people.
Speaker 3: And I've never had the ick from Christopher until now.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying calamine lotion helps helps with that.
Speaker 3: Have we finished the episode?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, So what do we think of it?
Speaker 1: Luke takes in the I slept a question for Lyne.
Speaker 1: He takes that in verbally yep out.
Speaker 6: I don't blame him, lad, that was a Yeah.
Speaker 3: That's not a great She did not make a great
Speaker 3: call on that.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I just feel bad for the fans back in two
Speaker 1: thousand and seven, two thousand and six they had to
Speaker 1: go through.
Speaker 3: I feel they didn't even show up to watch it.
Speaker 3: That's what I think is so interesting too. I mean
Speaker 3: that two million.
Speaker 1: Of who's ever been exposed to that I feel bad for.
Speaker 3: Of course, but like it's weird that two million people
Speaker 3: just didn't even come show up. And I wonder, like
Speaker 3: if you if we talk to the writers, like I
Speaker 3: wonder if they were so stressed, because like we've talked about,
Speaker 3: you said, Amy and Dan took their grade scripts and
Speaker 3: polished them up, and like here's what I can tell you,
Speaker 3: and like everybody can be like Amy sucks, but like
Speaker 3: we take things, Danielle and I. Our job is we
Speaker 3: take things that our team writes right, and we polished
Speaker 3: them up, and sometimes they come to us kind of
Speaker 3: like mediocre at best, right, And I'm not tooting our horns,
Speaker 3: but like our that is our job. We are paid
Speaker 3: to do that, to polish it up. And they lost
Speaker 3: their polishers, so maybe they were so stressed and maybe
Speaker 3: they even are like, hey, we're not bringing our A
Speaker 3: game because we don't even are. This is our a game.
Speaker 3: They took it to the A plus yeah, and now
Speaker 3: they don't have that.
Speaker 4: I wonder if Amy and Dan came back, what would
Speaker 4: have happened this season.
Speaker 1: They weren't coming back, but if they did.
Speaker 4: What how Gilmour Girls would have ended versus how it
Speaker 4: actually did.
Speaker 3: Well, we know how it would have ended, because they
Speaker 3: they ended the movies in the way they wanted to
Speaker 3: end the series. And what I can tell you is
Speaker 3: the way they end the movie would have been comic
Speaker 3: way to end this. No, I'm not gonna give it away.
Speaker 3: The way they end the movies to me would have
Speaker 3: been the most iconic way and the series it would
Speaker 3: have been epic. It's weird how they ended up movies.
Speaker 3: Scott's like Tillie God. Also, you know how the movies
Speaker 3: end there.
Speaker 4: I'm assuying something with the daddy not knowing who the
Speaker 4: daddy is.
Speaker 3: I'm not telling you anything. I'm just telling you it
Speaker 3: would have been a great end of season seven where
Speaker 3: you're like.
Speaker 6: What, so basically the movies, the movies should have been
Speaker 6: season seven, is what you're saying.
Speaker 3: Well, no, because there's weird things in the movies too,
Speaker 3: but just the very end is.
Speaker 1: The show should have ended after season six and then
Speaker 1: that's it. No season seven.
Speaker 3: You guys, there's so many things coming you're gonna hate
Speaker 3: so much more than this episode.
Speaker 1: So it's going to be fun.
Speaker 3: This one.
Speaker 4: Seven out of ten?
Speaker 3: What we give? What we Yeah? What are you giving this?
Speaker 3: Seven out of ten? Scrambled eggs? Yeah, I'm yeah. I
Speaker 3: think I'm seven. I was gonna say six point five,
Speaker 3: but I think i'm seven. Red light cameras, so I'll
Speaker 3: say six point eight red light cameras.
Speaker 6: Danielle, what was your measuring stick?
Speaker 4: Scrambled eggs?
Speaker 6: Damn, Okay, that's mine. I'm going to give it a
Speaker 6: six point five t birds.
Speaker 3: Oh good, good one. But it's our lowest scores ever.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm giving it an absolute nuclear zero. No, it
Speaker 1: did not register at all. Destruction of two main characters.
Speaker 1: I mean obliteration, the fallout of that, the radiation.
Speaker 3: Should we not even have Emily and Richard? That was weird? No,
Speaker 3: it didn't like that. That all.
Speaker 1: We didn't need them in this episode.
Speaker 3: I think they could have helped.
Speaker 1: They would.
Speaker 4: Richard's credited in it, so they're.
Speaker 3: Both in the always in the opening credits.
Speaker 1: But think they wanted to say what they wanted to
Speaker 1: save Emily and Richard to bring the body bags, clean
Speaker 1: up the mess. Uh sorry, I think some high jinks
Speaker 1: and some funny moments cannot make up one iota for
Speaker 1: the destruction of these two characters and this relationship. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and you know, you know now it's in negative to us.
Speaker 3: Have we not seen it off before?
Speaker 1: Is that Jesus?
Speaker 3: I mean I come back because there's parts of Christopher
Speaker 3: I actually like, we're all right, sounds like that's like
Speaker 3: I need it.
Speaker 1: Can we just like just bail out of this thing? Uh?
Speaker 1: Sorry kids that you had to watch this. We sympathize
Speaker 1: and now we're gonna need therapy after watch them all
Speaker 1: the best best fans on the planet. Sorry you had
Speaker 1: to take all those knives in the back from this episode.
Speaker 1: But that's just the nature of fandom. I guess I
Speaker 1: don't know.
Speaker 6: Uh.
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Speaker 1: just to raise yourself. We have a technology.
Speaker 3: Okay, I can take it. I can take it. I
Speaker 3: can take it.
Speaker 2: By day safe kids, Jase, Hey, everybody, and don't forget.
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