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Speaker 1: The search is on for a Gabby Potito so called

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Speaker 1: and looking in a different direction. This as Gabby's memorial

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Speaker 1: Gabby Potito after we find Brian Laundry. First of all,

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Speaker 1: let's kick it off with tick Talking user C W Lynn.

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Speaker 1: I am a fight attendant and I'm overnighting in Toronto

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Speaker 1: and I was picking up a DoorDash outside and I

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Speaker 1: He got back into his car and drove off with

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Speaker 1: if I just fell too far down the rabbit hole.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you can see the dip and his mustache

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Speaker 1: gets bent down when I put my mask on. But

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Speaker 1: it's better to be safe than sorry. So let me

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Speaker 1: know what you think. CW land On TikTok. I'm on

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Speaker 1: your side. Do I think that's him? No, you know why,

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Speaker 1: because I think that he by now has drastically changed

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Speaker 1: he is not. Out in twenty five thousand acres of

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Speaker 1: where there is no fresh water source. You can't drink

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Speaker 1: expedition not far from Carlton Reserve gator spotting. Yes, I

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Speaker 1: pretty sure one of my guest, Cheryl McCallum, agrees with. Yes,

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Speaker 1: she's been screaming at No need to preach to the choir, Cheryl,

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Speaker 1: where's mommy. Mommy's not out there on a skiff, screaming out, Brian,

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Speaker 1: is not entertaining suicide. She's at Starbucks. She's at you know,

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Speaker 1: Rain't out there looking at him, you know, looking for him.

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Speaker 1: you an all star panel you've already met. Cheryl McCollum,

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Speaker 1: the Atlanta jurisdiction Doctor Angela Arnold at Angela Arnold, MD

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Speaker 1: But I'm sure she'll give you a lot of really

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Speaker 1: from doctor Angela Arnold, California prosecutor, author of red flags,

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Speaker 1: which is really important. Here were their red flags about

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Speaker 1: Brian Laundry's behavior. Behavior today with doctor Wendy KCBQ and

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Speaker 1: have you seen that swamp? Don't put a toe in

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Speaker 1: But have you seen that swamp? And what's happening with

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Speaker 1: Just start wherever you want, Michael. Okay, there's a lot

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Speaker 1: Before I get to the fens on the Laundry's back doorstep,

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Speaker 1: take a look at the video from them on that

424
00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:22,800
Speaker 1: screen porch, I urge everybody to do this. That was

425
00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:26,600
Speaker 1: provided by fox Uh, one of those agents. It looks

426
00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:29,159
Speaker 1: as though he's actually swabbing what appears to be like

427
00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:32,119
Speaker 1: a doorbell or something. You get a quick glimpse of

428
00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:36,000
Speaker 1: it right there in that frame. So what they're doing,

429
00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:38,840
Speaker 1: I think relative to the DNA of the parents, they're

430
00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:41,679
Speaker 1: trying to separate them. They're trying to vet all of

431
00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:48,040
Speaker 1: the stuff. Wait, hold on, what yeah, cross contamination of

432
00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:51,960
Speaker 1: anything that's in there. They want to separate out the

433
00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:56,280
Speaker 1: parental DNA. Relative to this evidence, Remember they were taking

434
00:26:56,320 --> 00:26:59,240
Speaker 1: stuff out of that van and bringing it into the house.

435
00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:02,760
Speaker 1: Do you recall they talked about this early on where

436
00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:05,679
Speaker 1: the van had been unloaded, it was reloaded, and then

437
00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:09,040
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, the FBI now has the van,

438
00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:13,720
Speaker 1: which is significant compared to the Mustang. They still still

439
00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:16,359
Speaker 1: in possession of this van. That means that there's something

440
00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:20,239
Speaker 1: critical inside of that van. And I still hold I

441
00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:23,640
Speaker 1: still hold that. I think that if any that the

442
00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:26,960
Speaker 1: fatal event, there's a high likelihood that the fatal event

443
00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:29,920
Speaker 1: probably took This thing is secure. You're not going to

444
00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:32,199
Speaker 1: be able to see anything, even though they're out in

445
00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:35,159
Speaker 1: the world. With this Nancy, it's private. You can do

446
00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:37,239
Speaker 1: whatever you want to in there. And by god, he

447
00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:39,080
Speaker 1: was doing it out on the street, wasn't he. He

448
00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:40,920
Speaker 1: was doing whatever he wanted to out there. How much

449
00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:43,800
Speaker 1: more would he have done in that van? Although I

450
00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:48,119
Speaker 1: believe Cheryl McCullum that he had more swing room to

451
00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:50,480
Speaker 1: launch an attack, to hit her in the head with

452
00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:54,240
Speaker 1: a rod, to strangle her. I mean, to me, is

453
00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:56,280
Speaker 1: six and one half dozen the other Did he murder

454
00:27:56,280 --> 00:27:58,479
Speaker 1: in the van or did he murder outdoors where her

455
00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:02,520
Speaker 1: body was found? Right? More than likely he killed her

456
00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:05,000
Speaker 1: inside that van, and it was quick and it was

457
00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:08,280
Speaker 1: probably strangulation. What they're going to focus on, or the

458
00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:11,359
Speaker 1: things like the makeshift fire pit. What was he burning?

459
00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:15,240
Speaker 1: Was he burning her journal? Was he burning her cell phone?

460
00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:18,560
Speaker 1: Was he burning other things? And again they have found

461
00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:22,600
Speaker 1: his DNA on something that didn't belong So maybe he

462
00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:27,720
Speaker 1: even did things to her, you know, post injury, they're

463
00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:29,840
Speaker 1: gonna look for that. So if his DNA is on

464
00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:32,679
Speaker 1: a rock, if his DNA is on something that it

465
00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:36,600
Speaker 1: should not be a broken necklace, that's going to be

466
00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:40,400
Speaker 1: the key. I agree that a place in the van

467
00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:44,240
Speaker 1: it was suffocation because there's not really room to do

468
00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:47,480
Speaker 1: a whole lot else is that you just got? Yeah,

469
00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:49,920
Speaker 1: And one other thing that I'd like to point out.

470
00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:52,400
Speaker 1: They were campers, Nancy all right, and you know we've

471
00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:54,479
Speaker 1: seen the individual little tenth that they would set up.

472
00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:57,120
Speaker 1: What do you need in order to camp? Well, you've camped,

473
00:28:57,120 --> 00:29:01,160
Speaker 1: I've camp You're gonna need a hammer to drive stakes with.

474
00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:04,120
Speaker 1: You've probably got a saw in there somewhere to cut

475
00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:07,160
Speaker 1: branches with. You've certainly got a knife, don't you. And

476
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:09,800
Speaker 1: so all of those implements that were contained within that

477
00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:15,479
Speaker 1: van are potentially evidence rich items that they're trying to

478
00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:30,360
Speaker 1: compare things with crime stories with Nancy Grace, guys, I've

479
00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:34,640
Speaker 1: got so so much is happening right now. We've got

480
00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:36,640
Speaker 1: to get to something. Michael Ruise, I want you to

481
00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:39,720
Speaker 1: listen to our cut one fifty. This is Amanda Mackenzie

482
00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:43,640
Speaker 1: at Fox thirty five. Listen. We do know that Laundry's

483
00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:46,760
Speaker 1: parents they were here in Orlando yesterday. And that's right,

484
00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:49,560
Speaker 1: Danielle and Amy. Yes, Laundry's parents were here to meet

485
00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:52,640
Speaker 1: with their attorney. It's not clear what they spoke about

486
00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:55,440
Speaker 1: or why they met in Orlando at the indictment against

487
00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:59,040
Speaker 1: their son. Now labeling him a federal fugitive only reveals

488
00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:03,840
Speaker 1: a sliver of mission in the case. Okay, Michael, Rui's

489
00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:07,640
Speaker 1: joining me from Florida. Michael. In the middle of all this,

490
00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:10,400
Speaker 1: they think their son could be out in Carlton Reserve

491
00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:13,440
Speaker 1: killing himself. They get in their dodge Ram, isn't it

492
00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:16,440
Speaker 1: a dodge Ram, kind of a Burgundy Dodge Ram, and

493
00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:19,040
Speaker 1: they drive all the way to Orlando, which I think

494
00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:20,720
Speaker 1: is about an hour and a half away from their

495
00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:28,360
Speaker 1: home Ish and en route they stop at a public library.

496
00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:31,920
Speaker 1: Of course their detailed by the Lord only knows who,

497
00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:36,400
Speaker 1: but certainly the Daily Mail was there. And apparently they

498
00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:40,160
Speaker 1: go in the public library and they're you know, wandering

499
00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:43,600
Speaker 1: around and then I think they see a reporter and

500
00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:46,720
Speaker 1: very quickly after that they leave. What do you think

501
00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:51,680
Speaker 1: about this theory that they went to use the computer

502
00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:58,080
Speaker 1: at the public library, probably under a fake name, to

503
00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:02,840
Speaker 1: text or email Brian Laundry on his Brandy Burner phone.

504
00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:05,800
Speaker 1: Think about it, Michael. That's certainly something you could do

505
00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:08,920
Speaker 1: out of public library and a good way to use

506
00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:13,520
Speaker 1: the Internet anonymously, So you know, that's something to take

507
00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:15,280
Speaker 1: a look at. And and and for the Burner phone,

508
00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:17,280
Speaker 1: you know, we haven't confirmed that there's a Burner phone,

509
00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:20,960
Speaker 1: but I can tell you this. Brian Laundry and Gabby

510
00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:24,520
Speaker 1: Petito shared his Spotify account and we reported on it

511
00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:26,400
Speaker 1: a couple of days after she was reporting missing. And

512
00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:28,840
Speaker 1: since then, that was about two weeks ago, the account

513
00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:32,120
Speaker 1: has changed. And all of the playlists on this account

514
00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:34,640
Speaker 1: where had names, so you know, and they were it

515
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:37,560
Speaker 1: was about mountain climbing and you know, isolation and things

516
00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:39,600
Speaker 1: like that, and they had these names that were relevant

517
00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:41,920
Speaker 1: I guess to the music in them. And now they're

518
00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:45,320
Speaker 1: all unnamed. So someone changed that, and we know it

519
00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:48,760
Speaker 1: wasn't Gabby. So who logged into this Spotify account and

520
00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:53,000
Speaker 1: changed that is a question that you know, if they're right,

521
00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:57,160
Speaker 1: what about it, Cheryl jump in. I mean, I'm just

522
00:31:57,640 --> 00:32:00,800
Speaker 1: learning that, But I think that is from the indus.

523
00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:04,000
Speaker 1: And again, I think that's very telling to who would

524
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:07,200
Speaker 1: manipulate this whole thing, Who would change the music, who

525
00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:09,960
Speaker 1: would send a bogus text, who would go home on

526
00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:12,360
Speaker 1: the first and act like nothing's going on for another

527
00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:16,520
Speaker 1: for eleven days? And he doesn't go missing until I

528
00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:19,880
Speaker 1: believe the attorney says I've got to meet with him.

529
00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:22,760
Speaker 1: I've at least got to meet with him over you

530
00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:26,120
Speaker 1: FaceTime if nothing else, And when they can't produce him,

531
00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:28,680
Speaker 1: suddenly he's missing. But I'm going to point out again

532
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:34,640
Speaker 1: mama never reported him missing Monday, Tuesday, Tuesday, Thursday, Friday

533
00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:37,560
Speaker 1: till Friday night. Can I also point out something else,

534
00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:41,480
Speaker 1: mindy passion. You know how much high profile lawyers charge.

535
00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:45,960
Speaker 1: The day that the parents leave home and drive to Orlando,

536
00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:47,960
Speaker 1: it's about one hundred and fifty miles away from their

537
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:54,520
Speaker 1: home in Sarasota County. The lawyer flies flies from New

538
00:32:54,600 --> 00:33:00,400
Speaker 1: York to Florida specifically to meet with the parents. Now,

539
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:03,840
Speaker 1: when you get a high priced lawyer on a plane

540
00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:06,959
Speaker 1: fly from New York to Florida to mate in an

541
00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:12,000
Speaker 1: obscure location. There's a reason, Wendy, Yeah, there's definitely a reason.

542
00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:15,000
Speaker 1: That's going to be one expensive lawyer. But the reason

543
00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:17,600
Speaker 1: is to be able to have the kind of advice

544
00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:20,040
Speaker 1: that it almost seems like they had before in terms

545
00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:23,600
Speaker 1: of would they be liable personally. Remember, one of the

546
00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:26,680
Speaker 1: easiest charges to prove in cases like this is lying

547
00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:31,360
Speaker 1: to authority. These parents refuse to speak to investigators in

548
00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:33,920
Speaker 1: the early days of this probe, and that would make

549
00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:36,520
Speaker 1: it hard to use that kind of a charge that

550
00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:41,200
Speaker 1: is much easier to prove. I've got some new evidence

551
00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:43,560
Speaker 1: for you. Is everybody sitting down? You may need to

552
00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:48,280
Speaker 1: lay down for this one. It was undercover ages believed

553
00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:52,320
Speaker 1: to be the FBI, followed the Laundrys into the Orlando

554
00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:58,480
Speaker 1: Public Library and hovered producing eighties dance CDs in a

555
00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:02,920
Speaker 1: Colombian art installa that it's not clear why they were

556
00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:06,080
Speaker 1: in the library, because they certainly did not check anything out.

557
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:11,440
Speaker 1: We can make our own deductions why they were there. Again,

558
00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:13,680
Speaker 1: if they wanted to kill time, why not just go

559
00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:15,960
Speaker 1: to the McDonald's drive through and get some of the

560
00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:18,280
Speaker 1: best coffee in the world. That doesn't cost eight dollars

561
00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:22,760
Speaker 1: a cup? Why not that? Why go and wander around

562
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:28,400
Speaker 1: the public library forcing the undercover cops to peruse eighties

563
00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:32,960
Speaker 1: dance CDs and a Colombian art installation. I mean, you

564
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:36,719
Speaker 1: think they were there for the Colombian art Cheryl for

565
00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:40,759
Speaker 1: the eighties dance CD collection. A lot of parents when

566
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:44,000
Speaker 1: they fear their child has committed suicide or is missing,

567
00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:48,280
Speaker 1: nothing's going to come for them like some eighties dance music. Okay,

568
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:52,320
Speaker 1: what about it, Wendy Patrick. Could the parents if big,

569
00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:59,600
Speaker 1: if if they intentionally misled police trying to find laundry,

570
00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:03,920
Speaker 1: would they face charges? Yes? In that case, that is

571
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:07,080
Speaker 1: exactly what the issue is going to be. Did they

572
00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:10,960
Speaker 1: know and did they intentionally intend to prevent the police

573
00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:13,720
Speaker 1: from finding out the information they need to find Brian.

574
00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:16,839
Speaker 1: That's the tough thing to prove, but it also would

575
00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:19,640
Speaker 1: be an explanation for all the conduct we've been explaining,

576
00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:24,080
Speaker 1: including the foray into the public library where there are

577
00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:28,960
Speaker 1: options of untraceable communication. So yees, under those facts, they

578
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:31,279
Speaker 1: do have something to worry about, and that money spent

579
00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:34,399
Speaker 1: on that lawyer would be well spent. Of course, maybe

580
00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:36,239
Speaker 1: they were just hiding out in there waiting for the

581
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:39,600
Speaker 1: lawyer to show up. But they waited around thirty minutes

582
00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:43,799
Speaker 1: to not look at a single book or display, ignoring requests,

583
00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:47,200
Speaker 1: of course from the Daily Mail. Where were you, Michael Ruise?

584
00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:49,839
Speaker 1: Were you hung up in the ADCDS? So when they

585
00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:53,239
Speaker 1: were in Orlando? I was actually I had just gotten

586
00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:54,839
Speaker 1: to Northport and I was kind of getting the lay

587
00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:58,160
Speaker 1: of the land here. That was sarcastic, Michael, you don't

588
00:35:58,160 --> 00:35:59,880
Speaker 1: have to say me where you really were. I know you.

589
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:03,400
Speaker 1: We're not looking at the ADCDS. So, Michael Wendy, what

590
00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:05,960
Speaker 1: was your final answer? Yes, no, could they face charges?

591
00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:09,080
Speaker 1: The answer is yes, under the fact that you laid

592
00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:11,920
Speaker 1: out if they knew and they intentionally prevented the police

593
00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:14,439
Speaker 1: from learning what they need to do to find Bryan

594
00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:16,960
Speaker 1: and Andre Angie. Do you think they care if they're

595
00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:19,120
Speaker 1: going to face charges. I don't know. I mean, I

596
00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:25,560
Speaker 1: don't understand how these people do not see how we see,

597
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:31,520
Speaker 1: how we see their actions. I'm wondering, are they just dumb? No,

598
00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:34,440
Speaker 1: I don't think they're dumb at all. They're they're very

599
00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:38,360
Speaker 1: successful business people. They're not dumb at all. But you know,

600
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:42,359
Speaker 1: I'm telling Michael Ruise. You're there in Northport? Do they

601
00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:45,680
Speaker 1: let the shades down where where nobody can see what's

602
00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:48,399
Speaker 1: going on inside the home? Oh? Yeah, that home is dark.

603
00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:51,239
Speaker 1: You know, everything's closed. You don't see them, you don't

604
00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:53,640
Speaker 1: see any activity. And you know they weren't rolling the

605
00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:55,640
Speaker 1: lawn at first, but it's starting to get a little

606
00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:58,200
Speaker 1: bit tall compared to the neighbor's grass, So they kind

607
00:36:58,200 --> 00:36:59,640
Speaker 1: of spend a lot of time doing I don't know

608
00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:03,440
Speaker 1: what in there where we can't him. Well, really, honestly,

609
00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:05,760
Speaker 1: do you blame them? I mean, I don't want Michael

610
00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:10,160
Speaker 1: Ruiz with his long lands at the edge of my

611
00:37:11,120 --> 00:37:13,880
Speaker 1: long looking in at me when I'm walking by in

612
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:16,200
Speaker 1: my shorts and T shirt. Do you blame them for

613
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:20,920
Speaker 1: letting the shades down? So, yes, it's dark, but you

614
00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:23,239
Speaker 1: know they've got to know they're being tailed every time

615
00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:26,239
Speaker 1: they leave. So final word, jes Scot Morgan. You know

616
00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:29,720
Speaker 1: I've been thinking about you know, what are the odds

617
00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:33,080
Speaker 1: that he actually has a burner phone Nancy? And at

618
00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:35,480
Speaker 1: first I would say pretty good because they had about

619
00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:38,759
Speaker 1: a week to get ready, they knew what had gone down,

620
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:41,320
Speaker 1: and yeah, and how did he get it into his hands?

621
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:44,120
Speaker 1: Did the did the attorney facilitate this? You know, did

622
00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:45,799
Speaker 1: he show up from New York with I don't know,

623
00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:48,120
Speaker 1: three burner phones? Now? I think they would have already

624
00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:52,240
Speaker 1: had them because he went on the run on September eleven.

625
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:55,320
Speaker 1: And this is the this is the interesting thing again.

626
00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:57,360
Speaker 1: I go back to this kind of manly thing that

627
00:37:57,400 --> 00:38:00,080
Speaker 1: they're talking about, where he's, you know, the model to

628
00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:03,919
Speaker 1: day Daniel Boone. He's attached to mommy and daddy. He's

629
00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:07,200
Speaker 1: totally depended upon them. I don't think he's walking around

630
00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:11,640
Speaker 1: untethered out there. He has to be connected somehow, some way,

631
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:15,400
Speaker 1: either through the attorney or through the appearance or maybe

632
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:18,080
Speaker 1: vis vi the attorney, then to the parents. I have

633
00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:20,560
Speaker 1: no idea. There's some kind of triangulation thing. How do

634
00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:23,000
Speaker 1: we get that? What from from a from a with

635
00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:24,960
Speaker 1: a sting Ray? How do we get that? If the

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Speaker 1: parents use a burner to call him or receive his call,

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Speaker 1: the only way to get that, to grab it is

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Speaker 1: by how Joe Scott. Yeah, I think that that's going

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Speaker 1: to be. And you know that the cool thing about

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Speaker 1: Stingray is that what you're saying, I'm saying sting Ray.

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Speaker 1: And also I think that the FEDS have to be

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Speaker 1: able to zero in on this signal. You know what,

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Speaker 1: what's the combination? Are they on these people? Are they

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Speaker 1: watching them? You know like you know gravy on Rice. Well,

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Speaker 1: I can tell you the answer that Yerl McCall him

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Speaker 1: is yes. If they endure the ADCD mix out, then

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Speaker 1: they'll do anything. Go ahead quickly. They either knew or

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Speaker 1: should have known the minute he showed back up without her,

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Speaker 1: and they sat there for eleven days, ignoring her mama's

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Speaker 1: please to please tell me where she is? Is she okay?

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Speaker 1: They knew as soon as Gabby's mama started begging them

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Speaker 1: for information. They helped him. And there's no doubt about it.

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Speaker 1: You can run, but he can't hide. He will be caught. Tipline.

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Speaker 1: There's a thirty thousand dollars reward out there. Eight hundred

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Speaker 1: call FBI eight hundred two to five five three two

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Speaker 1: four laundry. We're coming after you. Nancy Grace signing off,

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Speaker 1: goodbye friend