1 00:00:02,200 --> 00:00:06,000 Speaker 1: Hey there, folks. It's Monday, September the thirtieth, and Sean 2 00:00:06,360 --> 00:00:09,920 Speaker 1: Diddy Combs has asked the judge to only sentence him 3 00:00:09,960 --> 00:00:14,400 Speaker 1: to fourteen months in prison, meaning he could be out soon. 4 00:00:15,120 --> 00:00:20,200 Speaker 1: The prosecutors want him in jail for much, much longer, 5 00:00:20,520 --> 00:00:25,240 Speaker 1: and his ex girlfriend Cassie is absolutely letting her voice 6 00:00:25,600 --> 00:00:28,960 Speaker 1: be heard saying she too wants him in prison for 7 00:00:29,000 --> 00:00:32,240 Speaker 1: a long time. Welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ. Rose. 8 00:00:32,280 --> 00:00:35,120 Speaker 1: We were been waiting on Friday, the sentencing hearing for Diddy, 9 00:00:35,200 --> 00:00:37,560 Speaker 1: been waiting on this thing. It's this Friday. He wants 10 00:00:37,600 --> 00:00:43,400 Speaker 1: fourteen months. Prosecutors, we thought we're asking for four five, 11 00:00:43,960 --> 00:00:46,080 Speaker 1: maybe up to six or seven. Eh. 12 00:00:46,520 --> 00:00:50,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, they made they hinted after they had basically said yes, 13 00:00:50,840 --> 00:00:54,560 Speaker 2: four to six years, right around when his guilty verdicts 14 00:00:54,560 --> 00:00:57,640 Speaker 2: came down. But then we got word that they were 15 00:00:57,800 --> 00:01:01,440 Speaker 2: considering asking for longer, and we got the official word 16 00:01:01,520 --> 00:01:05,240 Speaker 2: that they want him behind bars for one hundred and 17 00:01:05,360 --> 00:01:09,680 Speaker 2: thirty five months, which amounts to eleven years and three months. 18 00:01:10,280 --> 00:01:13,920 Speaker 1: Do that math now, I think Robes we knew there 19 00:01:14,000 --> 00:01:16,760 Speaker 1: was going to be a lot of eyes and intrigue 20 00:01:16,800 --> 00:01:19,360 Speaker 1: about what this judge is going to do on Friday. 21 00:01:20,120 --> 00:01:24,000 Speaker 1: But that is, dear lady, even if he splits the difference, 22 00:01:24,600 --> 00:01:28,000 Speaker 1: you talking about five six years in prison, which is 23 00:01:28,040 --> 00:01:31,639 Speaker 1: a much different scenario. Yes, the defensive asked for fourteen months. 24 00:01:31,800 --> 00:01:35,120 Speaker 1: Time serve is thirteen plus at this point, is it not. Yes, yes, 25 00:01:35,200 --> 00:01:38,280 Speaker 1: so it's over thirteen months. He's going home by Thanksgiving 26 00:01:38,280 --> 00:01:39,559 Speaker 1: if the judge goes along with that. 27 00:01:39,520 --> 00:01:41,960 Speaker 2: Because credit for good behavior would be applied in by 28 00:01:42,080 --> 00:01:44,720 Speaker 2: all accounts, from what we've been able to ascertain, he 29 00:01:44,880 --> 00:01:49,320 Speaker 2: has a perfect conduct score so to speak. He's had 30 00:01:49,360 --> 00:01:51,520 Speaker 2: no issues that we've heard of, and certainly I believe 31 00:01:51,520 --> 00:01:54,600 Speaker 2: we would have heard if anything had gone down in 32 00:01:55,400 --> 00:01:58,840 Speaker 2: behind bars, and most certainly his lawyer said, you are 33 00:01:58,960 --> 00:02:01,640 Speaker 2: going to be a prisoner. You are going to be 34 00:02:01,680 --> 00:02:04,800 Speaker 2: on your best behavior. It's your best shot come sentencing. 35 00:02:04,920 --> 00:02:06,920 Speaker 1: Is that an official thing? You just said that he 36 00:02:06,960 --> 00:02:08,520 Speaker 1: got good conduct. 37 00:02:08,919 --> 00:02:12,640 Speaker 2: I just made that up. Yes, But the point basically like, yes, 38 00:02:12,720 --> 00:02:16,320 Speaker 2: what you get graded for could apply to how you 39 00:02:16,360 --> 00:02:18,800 Speaker 2: are as a prisoner. I would imagine some sort of 40 00:02:19,080 --> 00:02:23,359 Speaker 2: grading system, so to speak. But this has been all 41 00:02:23,480 --> 00:02:26,240 Speaker 2: on the heels of waiting for this judge to make 42 00:02:26,280 --> 00:02:28,880 Speaker 2: a ruling on the hearing we had last week where 43 00:02:28,880 --> 00:02:31,680 Speaker 2: he said very shortly he was going to decide whether 44 00:02:31,800 --> 00:02:35,880 Speaker 2: or not to throw out the charges against Diddy or 45 00:02:36,360 --> 00:02:39,080 Speaker 2: grant him a new trial. And it's so interesting, and 46 00:02:39,120 --> 00:02:41,240 Speaker 2: we don't know how this plays into all of this 47 00:02:42,160 --> 00:02:46,240 Speaker 2: sentencing when we don't even have the judge having made 48 00:02:46,280 --> 00:02:48,360 Speaker 2: a decision that he said he was going to make 49 00:02:48,400 --> 00:02:49,679 Speaker 2: quickly that he hasn't made yet. 50 00:02:50,000 --> 00:02:53,360 Speaker 1: So as we speak here on Tuesday, we are waiting 51 00:02:53,520 --> 00:02:56,119 Speaker 1: for a judge to before we even get to sentencing, 52 00:02:56,560 --> 00:02:59,720 Speaker 1: he said he is going to rule on whether or 53 00:02:59,760 --> 00:03:02,680 Speaker 1: not he's going to throw out the convictions or give 54 00:03:02,760 --> 00:03:05,760 Speaker 1: him a new trial. So what we're talking we're standing 55 00:03:05,840 --> 00:03:07,480 Speaker 1: here robes and the reason this is now a little 56 00:03:07,480 --> 00:03:10,280 Speaker 1: more intriguing. All the legal experts afterwards say, yeah, this 57 00:03:10,320 --> 00:03:12,160 Speaker 1: isn't going to happen. Of course he's not going to 58 00:03:12,200 --> 00:03:14,360 Speaker 1: throw out you. But now it's taken so long that 59 00:03:14,400 --> 00:03:16,440 Speaker 1: people are taking little pauls and going way, is the 60 00:03:16,560 --> 00:03:20,520 Speaker 1: judge really considering giving Diddy a new trial? Is he 61 00:03:20,600 --> 00:03:23,919 Speaker 1: really considering throwing out the two convictions? 62 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:26,359 Speaker 2: It seems so Look, people are always trying to read 63 00:03:26,400 --> 00:03:28,720 Speaker 2: the tea leaves when it comes to juries or judges, 64 00:03:28,840 --> 00:03:33,480 Speaker 2: And it's always been a general rule of thought that 65 00:03:33,560 --> 00:03:36,560 Speaker 2: if a jury takes a long time to come up 66 00:03:36,600 --> 00:03:40,560 Speaker 2: with a verdict, it's mostly in the defendant's favor, because 67 00:03:40,920 --> 00:03:43,640 Speaker 2: if they wanted to convict, they would probably have done 68 00:03:43,640 --> 00:03:45,680 Speaker 2: that quickly. So a lot of folks thinking, well, the 69 00:03:45,760 --> 00:03:48,720 Speaker 2: judge is certainly taking a long time. What if he 70 00:03:48,880 --> 00:03:53,360 Speaker 2: is actually considering the defense's ask, Wow, that's. 71 00:03:53,240 --> 00:03:55,440 Speaker 1: Okay now, So we're standing by for that. And as 72 00:03:55,480 --> 00:03:58,040 Speaker 1: we stand by for this again, Robes, we listen to 73 00:03:58,120 --> 00:04:00,600 Speaker 1: you every day, say listen followed every day of this trial, 74 00:04:00,600 --> 00:04:02,640 Speaker 1: and it was a shocker after shocker after shocker. Every 75 00:04:02,680 --> 00:04:05,600 Speaker 1: time you think you have been shocked enough, they come 76 00:04:05,680 --> 00:04:07,360 Speaker 1: up with something else you didn't think. And this is 77 00:04:07,400 --> 00:04:10,320 Speaker 1: another twist. I think this is another twist. Ropes. I 78 00:04:10,360 --> 00:04:14,200 Speaker 1: didn't necessarily consider co being the one of the judge 79 00:04:14,200 --> 00:04:18,120 Speaker 1: considering throwing out the convictions. The other part I didn't consider, Robes, 80 00:04:18,200 --> 00:04:21,960 Speaker 1: is this eleven years and the prosecution essentially give a 81 00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:25,919 Speaker 1: sentencing memo to the judge, and some of their language 82 00:04:26,080 --> 00:04:29,679 Speaker 1: in there are trying to I mean, they are doubling 83 00:04:29,720 --> 00:04:32,040 Speaker 1: down and just reiterating some of the same points they 84 00:04:32,040 --> 00:04:33,920 Speaker 1: made about him during trial. This is a bad dude, 85 00:04:33,960 --> 00:04:34,400 Speaker 1: that's right. 86 00:04:34,440 --> 00:04:38,520 Speaker 2: They said that he has been unre unrepentant. I can't 87 00:04:38,520 --> 00:04:41,080 Speaker 2: say that which factors in or they wanted to be 88 00:04:41,120 --> 00:04:43,400 Speaker 2: factored in by the judge in terms of sentencing, and 89 00:04:43,440 --> 00:04:46,159 Speaker 2: they said this. The defendant will not be punished for 90 00:04:46,279 --> 00:04:49,599 Speaker 2: any crimes of which he was acquitted, of course, but 91 00:04:50,520 --> 00:04:54,599 Speaker 2: here's the butt. Punishment for his crimes of conviction must 92 00:04:54,760 --> 00:04:59,000 Speaker 2: take into account the manner in which he committed them, 93 00:04:59,279 --> 00:05:02,120 Speaker 2: meaning there was f physical threats and physical violence. 94 00:05:02,279 --> 00:05:04,120 Speaker 1: I think that isn't that? The key to how much 95 00:05:04,120 --> 00:05:06,839 Speaker 1: time he spends in prison is where the judge comes 96 00:05:06,880 --> 00:05:10,240 Speaker 1: down on that question. If he only sentences him for 97 00:05:10,400 --> 00:05:15,479 Speaker 1: what the charges are and the conviction transportation to engage 98 00:05:15,480 --> 00:05:18,960 Speaker 1: in prostitution, the defense argues he didn't profit from it 99 00:05:19,560 --> 00:05:22,960 Speaker 1: and he didn't have sex with anybody as far as 100 00:05:23,000 --> 00:05:25,120 Speaker 1: the payment. So you're really going to send him to 101 00:05:25,160 --> 00:05:28,919 Speaker 1: prison for what is essentially being a john and he 102 00:05:28,960 --> 00:05:33,279 Speaker 1: didn't even have sex. They are making an argument about that. 103 00:05:33,120 --> 00:05:38,400 Speaker 1: The prosecution isn't this, can he consider aggravating factors? 104 00:05:38,480 --> 00:05:41,320 Speaker 2: The judge, well, he has when it has come down 105 00:05:41,360 --> 00:05:41,920 Speaker 2: to his bill. 106 00:05:42,560 --> 00:05:45,000 Speaker 1: Okay, then if that being the case. I don't know 107 00:05:45,040 --> 00:05:48,239 Speaker 1: if the legal standard changes, but the argument is, yes, 108 00:05:48,600 --> 00:05:51,240 Speaker 1: it was these two counts, but look at the manner 109 00:05:51,480 --> 00:05:53,000 Speaker 1: in which he executed them. 110 00:05:53,080 --> 00:05:56,560 Speaker 2: And to point out, each one of those convictions carries 111 00:05:56,560 --> 00:05:59,520 Speaker 2: a sentence up to ten years each, so he could 112 00:05:59,560 --> 00:06:03,440 Speaker 2: be technically sentenced to twenty years if the judge wanted 113 00:06:03,480 --> 00:06:03,920 Speaker 2: to do so. 114 00:06:05,000 --> 00:06:06,839 Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know where. I mean, obviously we don't 115 00:06:06,839 --> 00:06:08,280 Speaker 1: know where the judge is going to come down on this. 116 00:06:08,440 --> 00:06:10,800 Speaker 1: Reading tea leaves and reading what this judge has done, 117 00:06:10,800 --> 00:06:14,640 Speaker 1: he has not at all been on the side of 118 00:06:14,680 --> 00:06:17,599 Speaker 1: the defense when it comes to getting Diddy out of 119 00:06:17,680 --> 00:06:20,040 Speaker 1: prison or shortening any times at all. I mean, he 120 00:06:20,040 --> 00:06:22,919 Speaker 1: could have let him out while sentencing was being determined. 121 00:06:23,240 --> 00:06:24,640 Speaker 1: He didn't even let him out for a couple of. 122 00:06:24,560 --> 00:06:27,200 Speaker 2: Months, that's right. And the prosecutors went on to say 123 00:06:27,200 --> 00:06:30,240 Speaker 2: this in their request for those eleven years and three months. 124 00:06:30,800 --> 00:06:34,320 Speaker 2: They said the sentence imposed on the defendant should reflect 125 00:06:34,520 --> 00:06:40,960 Speaker 2: the substantial psychological, emotional, and physical damage he has inflicted. 126 00:06:41,120 --> 00:06:43,839 Speaker 1: It's not just the crime, they are saying, it's not 127 00:06:44,120 --> 00:06:47,920 Speaker 1: just the things he's been convicted of. Based on what 128 00:06:47,960 --> 00:06:50,520 Speaker 1: the judge has done previously. I would say he's not 129 00:06:50,560 --> 00:06:53,960 Speaker 1: going to buy that. However, I'm not a lawyer, and 130 00:06:54,040 --> 00:06:56,520 Speaker 1: I don't know if there is a different standard now 131 00:06:56,520 --> 00:06:57,360 Speaker 1: that he has been. 132 00:06:57,240 --> 00:07:01,719 Speaker 2: Convicted, and in terms of that substantial psychological, emotional and 133 00:07:01,760 --> 00:07:07,279 Speaker 2: physical damage that the prosecutors are referencing. Cassie, his ex 134 00:07:07,360 --> 00:07:12,760 Speaker 2: girlfriend and certainly the star witness of the trial, actually 135 00:07:12,800 --> 00:07:16,480 Speaker 2: took time and wrote an impassioned letter to the judge 136 00:07:16,520 --> 00:07:20,440 Speaker 2: to the court to try and convince the judge to 137 00:07:20,640 --> 00:07:24,600 Speaker 2: keep Ditty behind bars for as long as possible. 138 00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:27,040 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, she had to sit in that 139 00:07:27,120 --> 00:07:30,360 Speaker 1: courtroom eight and a half months pregnant, was she not? 140 00:07:30,920 --> 00:07:34,320 Speaker 2: Yes, she says she was nine months pregnant. 141 00:07:34,440 --> 00:07:37,120 Speaker 1: Sitting in front of that guy at nine months pregnant 142 00:07:37,120 --> 00:07:39,360 Speaker 1: that you say terrorized you to this point. Hell, we 143 00:07:39,440 --> 00:07:43,120 Speaker 1: saw the terror on video. We saw a part of it. 144 00:07:43,760 --> 00:07:46,640 Speaker 1: And I don't know what was going through his head 145 00:07:46,640 --> 00:07:49,040 Speaker 1: at the mind at the time. But they're reading this 146 00:07:49,160 --> 00:07:52,040 Speaker 1: letter now. It's one thing to come and testify and 147 00:07:52,080 --> 00:07:55,320 Speaker 1: be compelled to testify. She didn't have to write this letter. 148 00:07:56,160 --> 00:07:59,440 Speaker 1: This is a more personal This the thing that this 149 00:07:59,440 --> 00:08:02,160 Speaker 1: would piss him all more than maybe anything she said 150 00:08:02,640 --> 00:08:04,680 Speaker 1: in court, just telling of story in core is one thing. 151 00:08:04,720 --> 00:08:09,200 Speaker 1: Now she is actively arguing keep him in prison for 152 00:08:09,320 --> 00:08:10,440 Speaker 1: as long as possible. 153 00:08:11,520 --> 00:08:13,640 Speaker 2: And so we do have parts of the letter we're 154 00:08:13,640 --> 00:08:16,080 Speaker 2: going to read to you because they are compelling. Cassie 155 00:08:16,120 --> 00:08:19,120 Speaker 2: wrote this to the court for four days in May, 156 00:08:19,360 --> 00:08:22,360 Speaker 2: while nine months pregnant with my son. I testified in 157 00:08:22,400 --> 00:08:25,200 Speaker 2: front of a packed courtroom about the most traumatic and 158 00:08:25,280 --> 00:08:29,440 Speaker 2: horrifying chapter in my life. I testified that from age nineteen, 159 00:08:29,960 --> 00:08:34,640 Speaker 2: Sean Combs used violence, threats, substances, and control over my 160 00:08:34,720 --> 00:08:37,640 Speaker 2: career to trap me in over a decade of abuse. 161 00:08:38,000 --> 00:08:41,240 Speaker 2: He groomed me into performing repeated sex acts with hired 162 00:08:41,240 --> 00:08:44,720 Speaker 2: male sex workers during multi day freak offs, which occurred 163 00:08:44,760 --> 00:08:48,400 Speaker 2: nearly weekly. While defense attorneys at trial suggested that my 164 00:08:48,480 --> 00:08:52,240 Speaker 2: time with Combs was akin to a great modern love story, 165 00:08:52,800 --> 00:08:55,880 Speaker 2: nothing could be further from the truth. Nothing about this 166 00:08:55,960 --> 00:08:59,640 Speaker 2: story is great, modern, or loving. This was a horrific 167 00:08:59,640 --> 00:09:04,720 Speaker 2: death of my life, stained by abuse, violence, forced sex, 168 00:09:04,960 --> 00:09:05,760 Speaker 2: and degradation. 169 00:09:05,920 --> 00:09:09,319 Speaker 1: Do you remember that part of the Do you remember that? 170 00:09:09,320 --> 00:09:12,960 Speaker 1: I think it was Agnaphillo that was making an argument 171 00:09:13,000 --> 00:09:16,320 Speaker 1: in court about this being some type of a love 172 00:09:16,360 --> 00:09:20,120 Speaker 1: story that was complicated. That's different, that's not traditional, and 173 00:09:20,600 --> 00:09:22,720 Speaker 1: that given some of the stuff we heard and her 174 00:09:22,800 --> 00:09:25,600 Speaker 1: being in the middle of it, that had to feel awful. 175 00:09:25,720 --> 00:09:29,000 Speaker 2: That felt icky to me listening to him say that, 176 00:09:29,080 --> 00:09:33,640 Speaker 2: because he didn't just slightly amend what she was saying. 177 00:09:33,720 --> 00:09:36,679 Speaker 2: He took it in a completely opposite direction in how 178 00:09:36,679 --> 00:09:40,640 Speaker 2: he categorized it, and it for me felt icky. That's 179 00:09:40,800 --> 00:09:42,120 Speaker 2: just the best word I can think of. 180 00:09:42,240 --> 00:09:44,960 Speaker 1: But all the stories we heard, baby Oi freak off, 181 00:09:45,240 --> 00:09:47,000 Speaker 1: a mess in a hotel room, all this. 182 00:09:47,080 --> 00:09:50,160 Speaker 2: Thing, the video we saw, that's not a great modern 183 00:09:50,200 --> 00:09:50,800 Speaker 2: love story. 184 00:09:50,920 --> 00:09:52,360 Speaker 1: That's abuse. 185 00:09:52,440 --> 00:09:53,440 Speaker 2: That's physical abuse. 186 00:09:53,640 --> 00:09:56,200 Speaker 1: She addressed that specifically. I bet that was important for 187 00:09:56,240 --> 00:09:57,280 Speaker 1: her to get that point in there. 188 00:09:57,320 --> 00:09:59,760 Speaker 2: She went on to say, as private and quiet, oh 189 00:09:59,800 --> 00:10:03,680 Speaker 2: she's says she is. She's trying to be as proh. 190 00:10:03,760 --> 00:10:06,640 Speaker 2: She tries to keep as private and quiet as I 191 00:10:06,720 --> 00:10:10,240 Speaker 2: possibly can, because I am so scared that if he 192 00:10:10,320 --> 00:10:14,760 Speaker 2: walks free, his first actions will be swift retribution towards 193 00:10:14,800 --> 00:10:18,600 Speaker 2: me and others who spoke up about his abuse at trial. 194 00:10:19,440 --> 00:10:23,560 Speaker 1: I mean it, Look, I don't know the man, and 195 00:10:23,600 --> 00:10:25,880 Speaker 1: I'm sure she and a lot of people we've talked 196 00:10:25,880 --> 00:10:29,080 Speaker 1: to still fear him who are in his circle. But 197 00:10:29,240 --> 00:10:31,040 Speaker 1: how much of an idiot would you have to be 198 00:10:31,160 --> 00:10:33,160 Speaker 1: if you get a second chance in life to go 199 00:10:33,280 --> 00:10:36,200 Speaker 1: back that route? Now a lot of people say, yeah, 200 00:10:36,200 --> 00:10:40,800 Speaker 1: he's crazy. He absolutely would seek revenge, But how could 201 00:10:40,800 --> 00:10:42,800 Speaker 1: he not be laying as low as possible if he 202 00:10:42,920 --> 00:10:44,160 Speaker 1: was blessed to get a second chance. 203 00:10:44,400 --> 00:10:46,880 Speaker 2: But didn't the judge point out at trial that even 204 00:10:46,920 --> 00:10:51,160 Speaker 2: when he knew that he was being investigated, he's still 205 00:10:52,480 --> 00:10:57,760 Speaker 2: physically abused his then girlfriend and forced her to do 206 00:10:57,840 --> 00:11:00,960 Speaker 2: things she didn't want to do with thee of violence, 207 00:11:01,080 --> 00:11:05,360 Speaker 2: even while he knew he was being investigated. Yep. So 208 00:11:05,440 --> 00:11:07,439 Speaker 2: that flies in the face of that, and that certainly 209 00:11:07,559 --> 00:11:09,560 Speaker 2: is something the judge is not going to forget because 210 00:11:09,600 --> 00:11:12,520 Speaker 2: he's the one who pointed it out at trial. Cassie 211 00:11:12,559 --> 00:11:15,320 Speaker 2: goes on to say, this disgusts me. He is not 212 00:11:15,559 --> 00:11:18,000 Speaker 2: being truthful, the idea that he could reform, that he 213 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:21,120 Speaker 2: could change. I know that who he was to me, 214 00:11:21,559 --> 00:11:26,040 Speaker 2: the manipulator, the aggressor, the abuser, the trafficker, is who 215 00:11:26,280 --> 00:11:29,760 Speaker 2: he is as a human. He has no interest in 216 00:11:29,840 --> 00:11:33,720 Speaker 2: changing or becoming better. He will always be the same cruel, 217 00:11:34,200 --> 00:11:37,000 Speaker 2: power hungry, manipulative man that he is. 218 00:11:38,559 --> 00:11:42,000 Speaker 1: That's strong she is of somebody who knows him and 219 00:11:42,120 --> 00:11:45,440 Speaker 1: knows him really really well says it is impossible for 220 00:11:45,559 --> 00:11:48,640 Speaker 1: him to change. That was a strong words. Is it 221 00:11:48,679 --> 00:11:50,800 Speaker 1: a judge, you're going to take that into account. I mean, 222 00:11:50,840 --> 00:11:53,440 Speaker 1: he reads all these statements, I presume, But I mean 223 00:11:54,200 --> 00:11:57,719 Speaker 1: she is saying he's incapable, disgusted at the idea of 224 00:11:57,760 --> 00:12:01,199 Speaker 1: anybody talking about him being a different man, a different person. 225 00:12:01,920 --> 00:12:06,400 Speaker 1: That's an indictment on him as a breathing human being 226 00:12:06,520 --> 00:12:08,760 Speaker 1: walking planet Earth that is different. 227 00:12:08,400 --> 00:12:12,800 Speaker 2: With him for ten years. I think it's also interesting, 228 00:12:12,840 --> 00:12:15,000 Speaker 2: you know a lot of this. The defense argued that 229 00:12:15,160 --> 00:12:18,280 Speaker 2: it was drug fueled, that he was under the influence, 230 00:12:18,360 --> 00:12:22,559 Speaker 2: that he was out of his mind while in prison. Obviously, 231 00:12:22,720 --> 00:12:25,440 Speaker 2: he has had to be clean and sober or at 232 00:12:25,520 --> 00:12:28,040 Speaker 2: least you know, I know that there are constant there's 233 00:12:28,120 --> 00:12:31,120 Speaker 2: constant talk about drugs being in prison. But let's presume 234 00:12:31,240 --> 00:12:34,200 Speaker 2: or assume he has been sober the entire time while 235 00:12:34,200 --> 00:12:36,880 Speaker 2: behind bars. So could we have a different Sean Diddy 236 00:12:36,960 --> 00:12:41,480 Speaker 2: Coombs because he's sober and because he's not in these 237 00:12:41,760 --> 00:12:47,040 Speaker 2: drug fueled states of aggression or anger or violence. Who knows, 238 00:12:47,559 --> 00:12:49,800 Speaker 2: but I thought this ls. So this was a three 239 00:12:49,880 --> 00:12:52,040 Speaker 2: page letter that Cassie wrote to the judge. But I 240 00:12:52,080 --> 00:12:56,600 Speaker 2: thought this next paragraph was really compelling and really powerful. 241 00:12:56,800 --> 00:12:59,840 Speaker 2: She writes. While the jury did not seem to understand 242 00:13:00,160 --> 00:13:03,400 Speaker 2: or believe that I engaged in freak offs because of 243 00:13:03,440 --> 00:13:07,280 Speaker 2: the force and coercion defendant used against me, I know 244 00:13:07,440 --> 00:13:11,000 Speaker 2: that is the truth, and his sentence should reflect the 245 00:13:11,040 --> 00:13:17,600 Speaker 2: reality of the evidence and my lived experience as a victim. 246 00:13:17,760 --> 00:13:22,760 Speaker 1: Legally, I don't know if the judge can take in 247 00:13:22,760 --> 00:13:27,240 Speaker 1: to account something a statement that emotional and for an 248 00:13:27,240 --> 00:13:29,800 Speaker 1: experience that personal to her. I don't know if he can. 249 00:13:29,920 --> 00:13:34,320 Speaker 1: It's hard to understand how you could ignore that if 250 00:13:34,400 --> 00:13:37,760 Speaker 1: you're legally allowed to take it into account. But stay 251 00:13:37,800 --> 00:13:41,280 Speaker 1: with us, because folks, I read the entire letter. We 252 00:13:41,360 --> 00:13:43,120 Speaker 1: read all three pages of what she had to say, 253 00:13:43,120 --> 00:13:48,480 Speaker 1: and it was painful. It was heart wrenching. But we're 254 00:13:48,480 --> 00:13:51,360 Speaker 1: going to read for you when we come back. Something 255 00:13:51,559 --> 00:13:56,720 Speaker 1: her parents said that maybe hit harder than anything else. 256 00:14:06,240 --> 00:14:08,680 Speaker 2: Welcome back to this edition of Amy and TJ. We 257 00:14:08,800 --> 00:14:13,080 Speaker 2: are talking about the prosecution in the Ditty case asking 258 00:14:13,160 --> 00:14:18,199 Speaker 2: for a much larger sentence than they had initially suggested 259 00:14:18,240 --> 00:14:19,760 Speaker 2: they were going to ask for. They have asked the 260 00:14:19,840 --> 00:14:23,720 Speaker 2: judge to sentence Sean Dittycomb's to eleven years and three 261 00:14:23,760 --> 00:14:26,520 Speaker 2: months behind bars. That's a far cry from the fourteen 262 00:14:26,560 --> 00:14:31,920 Speaker 2: months that the defense is asking for. And among the 263 00:14:31,960 --> 00:14:33,760 Speaker 2: files that they presented to the judge, or what they 264 00:14:33,760 --> 00:14:36,360 Speaker 2: submitted to the judge, was this three page letter by 265 00:14:36,560 --> 00:14:40,840 Speaker 2: Cassie Ventura Fines, of course the star witness during the trial, 266 00:14:40,920 --> 00:14:44,720 Speaker 2: but also there were several other testimonials from other victims, 267 00:14:45,000 --> 00:14:49,840 Speaker 2: but notably a letter from Cassie's own parents. 268 00:14:49,920 --> 00:14:52,080 Speaker 1: Look, this is I think her mom was the one 269 00:14:52,320 --> 00:14:54,360 Speaker 1: during the trial, right, she testified. I think she was 270 00:14:54,360 --> 00:14:56,600 Speaker 1: only up there for a fifteen minutes half hour at most, 271 00:14:56,680 --> 00:14:58,280 Speaker 1: but they only had a couple of questions for her, 272 00:14:58,280 --> 00:15:02,080 Speaker 1: and she gave some really difficult testimony. Bro it was 273 00:15:02,080 --> 00:15:03,560 Speaker 1: the twenty thousand don't have them ount right? 274 00:15:03,960 --> 00:15:05,800 Speaker 2: I believe it was twenty thousand dollars. 275 00:15:05,560 --> 00:15:09,960 Speaker 1: When Diddy, essentially the story goes, told her, yeah, you 276 00:15:10,000 --> 00:15:14,120 Speaker 1: can have your daughter back for twenty thousand, which is 277 00:15:14,160 --> 00:15:17,840 Speaker 1: what Sean Combs was arguing. He had invested in her 278 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:22,760 Speaker 1: as an artist. Family sent the money, mortgaged their home 279 00:15:23,560 --> 00:15:28,680 Speaker 1: to essentially buy their daughter's freedom from this guy. He 280 00:15:28,760 --> 00:15:31,000 Speaker 1: sent the money right back. They ended up getting the 281 00:15:31,080 --> 00:15:34,200 Speaker 1: money back and the deal was off when she told 282 00:15:34,240 --> 00:15:37,520 Speaker 1: that story of how we were willing to do that 283 00:15:37,720 --> 00:15:39,760 Speaker 1: to get our kid back. And that's what I thought 284 00:15:39,760 --> 00:15:41,600 Speaker 1: about the mom and thinking about her parents and that 285 00:15:41,680 --> 00:15:43,760 Speaker 1: story they told. But they added this line. They had 286 00:15:43,800 --> 00:15:46,120 Speaker 1: an entire letter, but they said it this way. This 287 00:15:46,280 --> 00:15:48,840 Speaker 1: letter from Cassie's parents to the judge. 288 00:15:48,800 --> 00:15:52,600 Speaker 2: To sentence lightly in this case that involves such vicious 289 00:15:52,640 --> 00:15:57,080 Speaker 2: abuses of our daughter's body, safety, and dignity is to 290 00:15:57,120 --> 00:16:01,960 Speaker 2: dismiss her very existence. To sentence lightly would also send 291 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:05,680 Speaker 2: a dangerous message. A sentence that is handed down in 292 00:16:05,840 --> 00:16:09,960 Speaker 2: months instead of years sends a message that such repulsive 293 00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:13,640 Speaker 2: behavior can happen without meaningful consequence. 294 00:16:13,880 --> 00:16:18,880 Speaker 1: The repulsive behavior. Is he being sentenced for repulsive behavior 295 00:16:19,640 --> 00:16:23,520 Speaker 1: or for two counts of being a john who didn't 296 00:16:23,520 --> 00:16:25,600 Speaker 1: even have sex with the prostitute that he hired. 297 00:16:25,960 --> 00:16:28,840 Speaker 2: I think the prosecution wants both of those things considered. 298 00:16:28,960 --> 00:16:30,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, and that is going to be the key. But 299 00:16:30,880 --> 00:16:34,120 Speaker 1: to hear them say it that way, to see that 300 00:16:34,200 --> 00:16:37,440 Speaker 1: we had a victim that was on every single television screen. 301 00:16:37,480 --> 00:16:42,040 Speaker 1: We're seeing her being beaten. We heard all these details 302 00:16:42,440 --> 00:16:48,080 Speaker 1: about violence and disease, and forced sex and fight. We've 303 00:16:48,160 --> 00:16:50,840 Speaker 1: heard all this, and you're telling me at the end 304 00:16:50,840 --> 00:16:54,160 Speaker 1: of that you're going to give him fourteen months. From 305 00:16:54,240 --> 00:16:57,480 Speaker 1: just a public standpoint, that does a lot of damage 306 00:16:57,560 --> 00:17:01,960 Speaker 1: for moving forward and how we deal with treat respect, 307 00:17:02,320 --> 00:17:05,199 Speaker 1: listen to trust, believe survivors. 308 00:17:05,359 --> 00:17:09,119 Speaker 2: Yes, and a lot of victims' advocates and victims themselves 309 00:17:09,160 --> 00:17:11,639 Speaker 2: of any kind of domestic or sexual abuse have spoken 310 00:17:11,720 --> 00:17:15,320 Speaker 2: up and said this is going to prevent more people 311 00:17:15,520 --> 00:17:18,399 Speaker 2: who are suffering from coming forward because they will feel 312 00:17:18,520 --> 00:17:24,160 Speaker 2: unsupported and not believed and probably think to themselves it's 313 00:17:24,200 --> 00:17:27,320 Speaker 2: not worth it. And so this might silence people who 314 00:17:27,320 --> 00:17:30,120 Speaker 2: should speak up, who need to speak up, because they 315 00:17:30,160 --> 00:17:33,280 Speaker 2: won't feel supported, they won't feel like they have a 316 00:17:33,320 --> 00:17:37,120 Speaker 2: path forward legally because they just aren't believed. 317 00:17:37,359 --> 00:17:41,520 Speaker 1: Could be a message to the government as well in prosecutions. 318 00:17:41,640 --> 00:17:45,200 Speaker 1: A lot of arguments not just from didyside, over prosecution 319 00:17:45,400 --> 00:17:48,040 Speaker 1: going after him as a mob boss when this is 320 00:17:48,080 --> 00:17:51,200 Speaker 1: a guy who was into some terrible stuff, maybe behind 321 00:17:51,240 --> 00:17:54,080 Speaker 1: the scenes in his personal life, and yes, some criminal 322 00:17:54,119 --> 00:17:57,320 Speaker 1: activity that didn't rise to that level. That could send 323 00:17:57,359 --> 00:18:01,320 Speaker 1: a message to prosecutors on the road about how to 324 00:18:01,359 --> 00:18:03,879 Speaker 1: handle these cases. But this has turned out it's just 325 00:18:03,960 --> 00:18:07,600 Speaker 1: Tuesday robes, and this has turned out to be a 326 00:18:07,680 --> 00:18:11,600 Speaker 1: little more fascinating of a week in this case than 327 00:18:11,680 --> 00:18:13,160 Speaker 1: we thought it. Thought it was gonna be cut and dry. 328 00:18:13,280 --> 00:18:15,639 Speaker 1: Get to Friday and we'll see what happens. But now 329 00:18:15,840 --> 00:18:20,360 Speaker 1: eleven years versus fourteen months, Cassie speaking out in letters 330 00:18:20,640 --> 00:18:23,320 Speaker 1: and still waiting on a decision about if the judge 331 00:18:23,359 --> 00:18:26,199 Speaker 1: is going to throw out the conviction. So we're going 332 00:18:26,240 --> 00:18:27,879 Speaker 1: to stay on top of all that. As always, we 333 00:18:27,880 --> 00:18:31,480 Speaker 1: need to give a reminder on your Apple podcast app 334 00:18:31,640 --> 00:18:34,600 Speaker 1: top right corner, click follow, where you see our show 335 00:18:34,640 --> 00:18:36,760 Speaker 1: page you can get all our updates coming to you. 336 00:18:36,800 --> 00:18:38,760 Speaker 1: And their robes have been so many more than we 337 00:18:38,800 --> 00:18:40,280 Speaker 1: expected on this story this week. 338 00:18:40,280 --> 00:18:42,960 Speaker 2: I suppose certainly so. And yes, we are still waiting 339 00:18:43,000 --> 00:18:44,800 Speaker 2: to hear from the judge on whether or not he 340 00:18:44,840 --> 00:18:48,119 Speaker 2: will toss the convictions, give Ditty a new trial, or 341 00:18:48,359 --> 00:18:51,600 Speaker 2: just say let's move on to sentencing, which of course 342 00:18:51,720 --> 00:18:54,720 Speaker 2: is Friday. So we will keep our ear to the 343 00:18:54,720 --> 00:18:57,400 Speaker 2: ground and let you know anything we hear in the meantime, though, 344 00:18:57,480 --> 00:19:00,439 Speaker 2: thank you for listening. I'm Amy Robach alongside TJ. Holmes. 345 00:19:00,480 --> 00:19:01,240 Speaker 2: We'll talk to you soon.