WEBVTT - Imperfect Paradise: Return to Mexico

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<v Speaker 1>O La Latino USA listener, Gomo Tuta, So today we're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna shure an episode from Imperfect Paradise A Return to Mexico,

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<v Speaker 1>a show by our colleagues over at LAist. The show

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<v Speaker 1>tells the story of Danielle Samora, who remade his life

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<v Speaker 1>after being deported from the US to Mexico. Throughout the series,

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<v Speaker 1>we'll learn about Danielle's journey from the time he spent

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<v Speaker 1>as a teenager without his parents in Rio Blanco and

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<v Speaker 1>then coming of age in Los Angeles and Iowa, and

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<v Speaker 1>finally focusing in on his current life Insula Juarez as

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<v Speaker 1>a retornado or returnee. Hosted by reporter Lorenardos, the show

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<v Speaker 1>dissects the narratives around deportation as failure and the alternate

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<v Speaker 1>lives that immigrants leave behind and construct anew Here's episode

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<v Speaker 1>one of Imperfect Paradise Return to Mexico and dear listener,

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<v Speaker 1>there is talk of suicide ideation in this episode, so

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<v Speaker 1>please take care.

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<v Speaker 2>Back in twenty twenty one, reporter Lorena Rios traveled to

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<v Speaker 2>Suda Juarez to meet up with a man named Danielle

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<v Speaker 2>Samora in a small cafe.

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<v Speaker 3>And the place is tiny a super cozy, a little

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<v Speaker 3>bit dark, so Danielle and I sat by the window

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<v Speaker 3>so that we could get a little bit of light.

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<v Speaker 3>I wanted to meet Danielle because he's a returnado or returnee.

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<v Speaker 2>A returney can be someone who either by force or

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<v Speaker 2>by choice, goes back to their country of origin after

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<v Speaker 2>being a migrant somewhere else. This is a global concept,

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<v Speaker 2>but in this case, Lorena was interested in how return

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<v Speaker 2>migration happens for Mexican migrants between the US and Mexico.

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<v Speaker 3>I was interested in the return ye community from a

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<v Speaker 3>journalistic standpoint, But once I met Danielle and I started

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<v Speaker 3>asking questions, I realized that the questions that I had

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<v Speaker 3>for him were questions that I had about my own

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<v Speaker 3>experience of return.

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<v Speaker 2>In d Nielle's story, Lorena heard echoes of her own.

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<v Speaker 2>Lorena grew up in Monterrey, Mexico, until she was seventeen.

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<v Speaker 2>For economic reasons, her family had to move to Texas

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<v Speaker 2>in two thousand and seven. She would go to college

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<v Speaker 2>in the States and then grad school where she pursued journalism,

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<v Speaker 2>but eventually, at the age of twenty eight, for a

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<v Speaker 2>complicated mix of reasons, she would find herself back in

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<v Speaker 2>Mexico for me.

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<v Speaker 3>Ever, since I came back to Mexico five years ago,

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<v Speaker 3>I felt disconnected from my home country, from my hometown,

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<v Speaker 3>and unsure about where I want to be and my

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<v Speaker 3>relationship to Mexico.

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<v Speaker 2>So in that cafe in Juarez back in twenty twenty one,

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<v Speaker 2>Lorena was wrapped by d Nill's story. In a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of narratives about immigration, there is an underlying message that

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<v Speaker 2>migrants come to the US because life is better here,

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<v Speaker 2>that it's more economically comfortable, more fulfilling, more free. But

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<v Speaker 2>Danian's story questions that assumption.

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<v Speaker 3>Can you describe your relationship to Sua Quarees?

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<v Speaker 4>Once I accepted my reality, I came to understand that

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<v Speaker 4>beauty was wrong around me.

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<v Speaker 2>Danian's story spans from the cornfields of Iowa to the

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<v Speaker 2>call centers of Guadis to the Eiffel Tower, Paris, France.

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<v Speaker 2>It's about what it's like to leave everything you know

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<v Speaker 2>and come back to a place that doesn't feel like home,

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<v Speaker 2>and it all starts with a love story. This is

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<v Speaker 2>episode one of Imperfect Paradise Returned to Mexico. Lorenarios takes

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<v Speaker 2>it from here.

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<v Speaker 3>It was two thousand and eight and Daniel Samora had

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<v Speaker 3>just graduated with an art degree from Grennell College in Iowa.

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<v Speaker 3>The look was buzz cut, graphic tees and Chuck Taylor's.

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<v Speaker 3>His plan was to move home to la and get

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<v Speaker 3>a job, but his car had other ideas.

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<v Speaker 4>My jip had some transmission problem. I was able to

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<v Speaker 4>go forward, but not back. I knew that I would

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<v Speaker 4>have to stay a couple of more days.

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<v Speaker 3>So Danielle took his car to the shop, and while

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<v Speaker 3>waiting for it to be fixed, he went out.

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<v Speaker 4>A friend invited me over to go to a bar

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<v Speaker 4>in De Moin. We went to a gate bar called

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<v Speaker 4>the Blazing Saturn. I was outside of the bar smoking

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<v Speaker 4>and I met A Rick Miller.

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<v Speaker 5>It was nighttime. I think we're in the parking lot area,

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<v Speaker 5>and I guess is romantic as that sounds, and I

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<v Speaker 5>thought he was the most handsome guy, an outgoing type

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<v Speaker 5>of a people person.

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<v Speaker 4>Eric is these very handsome men from Michigan. He had

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<v Speaker 4>this more like nerdy look, the little button down shirt,

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<v Speaker 4>as white as he can get, blue eyes, gorgeous smile,

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<v Speaker 4>trovit blonde.

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<v Speaker 5>So I just had the courage and just want to

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<v Speaker 5>start talking to him.

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<v Speaker 3>Daniel's version is slightly different.

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<v Speaker 4>A friend of Eric came over to me and he

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<v Speaker 4>told me, hey, my friend thinks you're cute. And I

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<v Speaker 4>looked over to him and I'm like, well, tell him

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<v Speaker 4>to tell me so right. I've always thought that if

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<v Speaker 4>you want to say something, say it to someone right.

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<v Speaker 4>Doesn't send someone else to do your dirty work.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean, very well. Could have happened. Like I said,

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<v Speaker 5>it was a long time ago.

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<v Speaker 4>We went back inside, we danced a little bit and

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<v Speaker 4>we kissed. Perhaps it was they dancing and you know,

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<v Speaker 4>all this smoke. I don't know, but every single piece

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<v Speaker 4>fell in the right place.

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<v Speaker 6>And that was it.

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<v Speaker 3>Daniel's car got fixed, but he'd be staying in Iowa

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<v Speaker 3>with Eric. Un Less than two months after meeting that night,

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<v Speaker 3>they moved in together. In the next two years, Danielle

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<v Speaker 3>and Eric built their lives as a couple. They got

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<v Speaker 3>a calico kitten and named her Bibi, decided to move

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<v Speaker 3>to Austin, Texas, found jobs, made friends, and settled into

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<v Speaker 3>the daily rhythms of life. Daniel liked imagining his American

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<v Speaker 3>life with Eric, stretching into the future.

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<v Speaker 4>He would come home and there would be apple pie baked,

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<v Speaker 4>and that would be with him until we growled. He

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<v Speaker 4>made me feel safe, and I knew that as long

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<v Speaker 4>as I was with him, I would be okay. I

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<v Speaker 4>almost forgot where I had come from. I was living

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<v Speaker 4>in a bubble, and the bubble felt really nice.

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<v Speaker 3>One summer weekend in twenty eleven, Daniel and Eric decided

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<v Speaker 3>to go on a getaway to visit friends on South

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<v Speaker 3>Padre Island, a resort town in Texas.

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<v Speaker 5>It was a gravel road, It was kind of dusty,

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<v Speaker 5>it was hot, very humid. I think they were just

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<v Speaker 5>kind of like large open spaces, like maybe ranches. Everything

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<v Speaker 5>was kind of like light green.

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<v Speaker 4>I was laying down, the music was playing. He was

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, I didn't have a care in the world.

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<v Speaker 4>I was just waiting for us to get to the beach.

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<v Speaker 4>I woke up because the road was feeling kind of bumpy.

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<v Speaker 4>So I remember waking up, opening my eyes and the

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<v Speaker 4>first thing that I saw was that we were kind

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<v Speaker 4>of in the middle of the bushes. We were on

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<v Speaker 4>a dirt road, and I asked Derek, what are we doing?

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<v Speaker 4>Where are we going? I said, Oh, I just want

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<v Speaker 4>to see the wall.

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<v Speaker 3>The wall, the artificial boundary that separates the us from Mexico.

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<v Speaker 6>For Eric, it was a curiosity.

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<v Speaker 5>I was kind of interested, you know, the border and

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<v Speaker 5>the river and seeing what it was like, and I

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<v Speaker 5>was like, Oh, let's go on this road. I remember

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<v Speaker 5>seeing the wall, big iron slats, and I think they

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<v Speaker 5>were constructed on such a that you couldn't squeeze through them.

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<v Speaker 5>He could feel a little bit through them, but the.

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<v Speaker 3>Wall meant something very different to Danielle.

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<v Speaker 4>I felt like the time stood still for a second.

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<v Speaker 4>I felt afraid.

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<v Speaker 3>Daniel had crossed into the US at sixteen without papers.

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<v Speaker 3>His parents had worked with a lawyer to get documentation

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<v Speaker 3>for the family. Danielle says, as far as he knew,

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<v Speaker 3>the process was still moving along.

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<v Speaker 6>He and Eric didn't talk.

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<v Speaker 3>About it, so Eric had no idea that Danielle was undocumented.

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<v Speaker 3>As they drove, they realized they weren't alone on the road.

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<v Speaker 4>And suddenly all of these border patrol trucks start showing

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<v Speaker 4>up parks in front of us, and two more pull

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<v Speaker 4>up behind us. I kept on telling myself that everything

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<v Speaker 4>was going to be fine. Eric told me that everything

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<v Speaker 4>was going to be fine. It was a routine check.

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<v Speaker 3>The officers asked Danielle and Eric what they were doing there,

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<v Speaker 3>asked them to show their ideas. Danielle says he wasn't

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<v Speaker 3>given a reason for why they'd been pulled over. Normally,

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<v Speaker 3>the Fourth Amendment protects you from arbitrary searches and seizures,

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<v Speaker 3>but because of national security justifications, within one hundred miles

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<v Speaker 3>of the border, those rules don't apply. The officers focused

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<v Speaker 3>their attention on Danielle.

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<v Speaker 4>The police officers starting struggling a little bit with my identity.

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<v Speaker 4>They started going back and forth to figure out who

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<v Speaker 4>I was, and they kept on pressuring me, telling me

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<v Speaker 4>that I had just crossed the border, and I kept

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<v Speaker 4>on telling them no.

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<v Speaker 3>Officers told Danielle that they couldn't find him in the

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<v Speaker 3>system and that he had to go with them to

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<v Speaker 3>the station.

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<v Speaker 6>Eric was confused.

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<v Speaker 5>I thought maybe there was some sort of a some

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<v Speaker 5>sort of a mistake.

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<v Speaker 4>I was told to face the car and put my

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<v Speaker 4>hands behind my back. I was handcuffed, and as I

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<v Speaker 4>was being led to the border patrol truck, I just

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<v Speaker 4>looked back and I saw Eric, and I wanted to

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<v Speaker 4>say something, and I couldn't. I just remember that my heart.

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<v Speaker 3>Stopped in that arid stretch of South Texas. Danielle says

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<v Speaker 3>he was handcuffed by border patrol and driven to an

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<v Speaker 3>immigration processing office in McAllen. Danielle says he was asked

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<v Speaker 3>to sit at a big, semi circular desk.

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<v Speaker 6>The desk was a fake.

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<v Speaker 3>Yellow wood color, and behind it, Danielle could see holding

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<v Speaker 3>cells with people in them. Across the desk, various officers

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<v Speaker 3>were typing away trying to find records of him in

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<v Speaker 3>the database.

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<v Speaker 4>They kept on going back and forth, back and forth,

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<v Speaker 4>back and forth, until an officer to him, like, you

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<v Speaker 4>know what, I can't find anything. This other officer came

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<v Speaker 4>back and he said, like, let me have a go.

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<v Speaker 3>Daniil remembers waiting for an hour, sitting on a cold

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<v Speaker 3>concrete bench until eventually, he says, one of the officers

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<v Speaker 3>looked up and told daniel that he'd found a room

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<v Speaker 3>move order against them, meaning he could be deported. Daniel

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<v Speaker 3>was confused. He knew he was undocumented, but he thought

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<v Speaker 3>he was on track to being documented in some way.

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<v Speaker 6>But at the border processing.

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<v Speaker 3>Center, Daniel found out this was not true.

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<v Speaker 6>According to a.

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<v Speaker 3>Document we got from the Board of Immigration Appeals, his

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<v Speaker 3>parents had lost their case back around two thousand and four.

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<v Speaker 3>The family had been put under a deportation order, but

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<v Speaker 3>they did not leave the US. Danielle says he didn't

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<v Speaker 3>know about it, and his parents didn't talk.

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<v Speaker 6>To us for this story. But this deportation order.

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<v Speaker 3>That's what must have shown up in the database.

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<v Speaker 6>At the station.

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<v Speaker 3>Danielle was anxious, and as the gravity of the situation

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<v Speaker 3>started to sink in, he was presented with two impossible options.

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<v Speaker 4>When they told me that I would have to be

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<v Speaker 4>removed from the country, and I told him, like, well,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, can I call a lawyer? And they said

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<v Speaker 4>very clearly, now, like you have two choices. You can

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<v Speaker 4>either stay in jail until an immigration judge can see you,

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<v Speaker 4>but that can take months and I'll make sure that

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<v Speaker 4>it takes a long time. Or I could leave and

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<v Speaker 4>I could apply for re entry.

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<v Speaker 3>We tracked down a lawyer who would end up helping

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<v Speaker 3>Danielle pro bono, and she explained it this way. Basically,

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<v Speaker 3>Danielle was in a loose, loose situation. He could either

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<v Speaker 3>be put in the attention and wait for a court

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<v Speaker 3>date or be deported.

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<v Speaker 4>I foolishly thought that I would be able to come

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<v Speaker 4>back as soon as I said for the Medica kind

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<v Speaker 4>of be able to reapply for ranger in the US

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<v Speaker 4>or within a couple of years, you know, and I

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<v Speaker 4>would be reunited with my family once again.

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<v Speaker 3>At the office in South Texas, Danielle was alone, no lawyers,

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<v Speaker 3>no parents, and no information about his rights or how

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<v Speaker 3>the immigration legal system even worked, which researchers and lawyers

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<v Speaker 3>say is not uncommon in these types of situations. Danielle

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<v Speaker 3>was conflicted, and he was being pressured to make a

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<v Speaker 3>decision quickly.

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<v Speaker 4>I have this picture in my head of trying to

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<v Speaker 4>put a house together made out of rocks, but there's

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<v Speaker 4>no mortar or there's no glue holding the rocks together,

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<v Speaker 4>and then suddenly you are putting the last rock up,

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<v Speaker 4>and everything looks fine and it looks beautiful, but suddenly

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<v Speaker 4>it just fonts and there's nothing you can do to

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<v Speaker 4>stop it because there's no clue and nothing is holding

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<v Speaker 4>it together.

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<v Speaker 3>The first rock that made up Danielle's American life was

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<v Speaker 3>Los Angeles.

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<v Speaker 4>I honestly think that my life started when I moved

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<v Speaker 4>to Ala.

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<v Speaker 3>Danielle's parents had immigrated to the US from Mexico to

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<v Speaker 3>find work. They didn't have papers, and when he had

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<v Speaker 3>just turned sixteen, Danielle says he joined them, crossing by

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<v Speaker 3>himself with a coyote. As soon as he got to

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<v Speaker 3>Los Angeles, he threw himself into his new life and

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<v Speaker 3>the American teenager experience.

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<v Speaker 4>I took the Metro for the first time. My mom

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<v Speaker 4>took me down to Los Co Johones in LA right

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<v Speaker 4>the Allies in Fashion District, and we would go to

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<v Speaker 4>the ninety nine cent store and I had my first

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<v Speaker 4>McDonald's breakfast. LA felt like the most wonderful place on earth.

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<v Speaker 4>That's what I think Disney England feels like. To people

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<v Speaker 4>who visited, it felt welcoming.

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<v Speaker 3>You said you knew like two three phrases in English.

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<v Speaker 6>Do you remember what those were?

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<v Speaker 4>I actually do. Hello. My name is Danielle. I live

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<v Speaker 4>in Mexico. And I used to say, like, how much

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<v Speaker 4>is it? That's as much as I knew.

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<v Speaker 3>Danielle says he worked really hard to learn English so

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<v Speaker 3>he could go back to school.

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<v Speaker 4>I would come back home and I would literally sit

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<v Speaker 4>down with the newspaper, the La Times, and my dictionary

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<v Speaker 4>and a notebook, so I would literally have to translate

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<v Speaker 4>every single word in that newspaper. And I would do

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<v Speaker 4>that for one or two hours every day. As you

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<v Speaker 4>will learn from other migrants. We learned English and we

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<v Speaker 4>learn how to speak it very quickly, not because we

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<v Speaker 4>want to, but because we need to.

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<v Speaker 3>Daniel enrolled in high school as a freshman. He sent

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<v Speaker 3>us some photos of himself from this time, oversized teas

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<v Speaker 3>and jeans, white sketchers, races, and a livery copy of

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<v Speaker 3>Harry Potter. Daniel says he got good grades and he

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<v Speaker 3>also started making friends, and he would end up finding

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<v Speaker 3>most of his friends in his favorite part of high school, theater.

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<v Speaker 3>He started learning all about vocal exercise and doing plas

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<v Speaker 3>after school. Daniel says that he wasn't really outgoing before,

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<v Speaker 3>but being a part of the theater, being on the stage,

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<v Speaker 3>it made him more comfortable to be true to himself

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<v Speaker 3>and his sexuality. There's one moment in particular that felt

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<v Speaker 3>pivotal when he got cast in the musical. A funny

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<v Speaker 3>thing happened on the way to the forum. There's a

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<v Speaker 3>scene where his character wears a dress, and Danielle remembers

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<v Speaker 3>looking for his mom in the audience.

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<v Speaker 4>I was wearing a dress and a wig, and I

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<v Speaker 4>walk out on stage and I look at my mom's

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<v Speaker 4>face and I was expecting to see shock. I was

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<v Speaker 4>expecting to see disappointment or something. I all I saw

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<v Speaker 4>was a smile on her face, and she started laughing

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<v Speaker 4>hysterically when she saw me like that, and everybody started

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<v Speaker 4>laughing hysterically. It felt wonderful. And when I started wearing

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<v Speaker 4>a rainbow belt rainbow bracelet, it was fine. No one

0:20:10.560 --> 0:20:14.760
<v Speaker 4>criticized me or ostracized me for being gay. I would

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<v Speaker 4>have never thought, living in Mexico that I could be

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<v Speaker 4>that frame.

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<v Speaker 3>As high school came to an end, he had to

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<v Speaker 3>think about what came after, about college, and for the

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<v Speaker 3>first time, he says, his immigration status came up as

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<v Speaker 3>a real obstacle.

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<v Speaker 4>I knew the situation that I was in, and I

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<v Speaker 4>knew what I couldn't have, and what I couldn't have

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<v Speaker 4>was the American dream.

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<v Speaker 6>But why why couldn't you have that?

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<v Speaker 4>Because I needed to have more privileges that I wasn't

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<v Speaker 4>able to access. My dream at that point was just

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<v Speaker 4>to have an education, but I couldn't because I was

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<v Speaker 4>strapped by my resources.

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<v Speaker 3>Because he was undocumented, he couldn't get federal financial aid.

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<v Speaker 3>He said his parents were not making enough money.

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<v Speaker 6>To pay for college.

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<v Speaker 3>His dad worked at a warehouse and his mom worked

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<v Speaker 3>as a cleaner. But then Danielle's teachers nominated him for

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<v Speaker 3>a competitive scholarship, which pays for low income kids to

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<v Speaker 3>go to top private colleges across the country, and Danielle,

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<v Speaker 3>with his good grades, charm and determination, got the scholarship.

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<v Speaker 4>I felt like I could taste a little bit of

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<v Speaker 4>like that American dream, that American life that some other

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<v Speaker 4>classmates were seeing.

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<v Speaker 3>And that's how Danielle ended up in Iowa.

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<v Speaker 4>When I got to the college, I felt like I

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<v Speaker 4>was illegally blonde. When she walked into Harvard and she

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<v Speaker 4>sees these great holes.

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<v Speaker 3>Danielle went to Grennell College, a school of about fifteen

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<v Speaker 3>hundred students at the time, About a thousand of them

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<v Speaker 3>were white, and only fifty five were Hispanic. Danielle says

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<v Speaker 3>he used his theater skills to make friends with everyone,

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<v Speaker 3>and he felt like the world opened up.

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<v Speaker 4>It was my first time actually interacting all the time

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<v Speaker 4>with people who had a life that was to a

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<v Speaker 4>certain extent ful of privileges. Friends who vacations were in Aspen,

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<v Speaker 4>or who were going to Paris Fashion Week.

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<v Speaker 3>He decided to make the most of it. He studied

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<v Speaker 3>art and took all sorts of classes like sculpture, dance, painting,

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<v Speaker 3>print making, and photography.

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<v Speaker 4>I wanted to explore beauty, to actually explore every single

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<v Speaker 4>aspect of my life, of my body, of my perspective

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<v Speaker 4>of the world, and put her on paper.

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<v Speaker 3>It all culminated in a solo art exhibit at his graduation.

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<v Speaker 3>Daniel's parents flew out and got to see the piece

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<v Speaker 3>he made called twelve Moons, a wedding dress that was

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<v Speaker 3>torn apart and coiled up to look like the moon.

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<v Speaker 3>It was dedicated to his mom, who had never had

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<v Speaker 3>a wedding, and it was accompanied by a poem.

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<v Speaker 4>And it's talking about how my mom I see her

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<v Speaker 4>as a moon, that even though she's not with me

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<v Speaker 4>or she's not close to me, I always keep her

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<v Speaker 4>in mind, in my heart, and whenever I need to,

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<v Speaker 4>I can reach out and I can see her there.

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<v Speaker 4>So it was very beautiful to have my parents there

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<v Speaker 4>and I I am for are grateful and they were

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<v Speaker 4>able to see in one stage and get that diploma.

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<v Speaker 3>Danielle finished school in two thousand and eight, the year

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<v Speaker 3>Obama became president. Danielle told us he canvassed for Barack Obama,

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<v Speaker 3>who was campaigning on what is still known as La Promessa.

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<v Speaker 3>Obama a promise to Latino voters that he delivered comprehensive

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<v Speaker 3>immigration reform, including a legal path for millions of undocumented

0:24:33.320 --> 0:24:38.600
<v Speaker 3>immigrants in the US. While we work to strengthen our borders,

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<v Speaker 3>we need a practical solution for the problem of twelve

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<v Speaker 3>million people who were here without documentation, many of whom

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<v Speaker 3>have lived.

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<v Speaker 1>In work here for years.

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<v Speaker 5>That's why we need to offer those who are willing

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<v Speaker 5>to make amends a pathway to citizenship.

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<v Speaker 3>In a lot of ways, Danielle was graduating into a

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<v Speaker 3>landscape of optimism for immigrants in America.

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<v Speaker 1>I fought for you in the Senate, and I will

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<v Speaker 1>make it a top priority in my.

0:25:05.400 --> 0:25:08.800
<v Speaker 5>First year as President of the United States of America.

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<v Speaker 3>But all of that would soon sour.

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<v Speaker 4>Maybe my biggest disappointment was this Dream Act book.

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<v Speaker 3>By the time that Danielle was driving along the Texas

0:25:25.560 --> 0:25:29.600
<v Speaker 3>border with Eric in twenty eleven, there had been no

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<v Speaker 3>comprehensive immigration reform. The Dream Act, which aimed to grant

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<v Speaker 3>legal status to young people brought by their parents without

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<v Speaker 3>papers to the US, failed to pass Congress. It was

0:25:43.119 --> 0:25:47.240
<v Speaker 3>a bill meant to protect people like Danielle who had

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<v Speaker 3>spent their formative years in the US and who felt

0:25:51.000 --> 0:25:57.480
<v Speaker 3>America was their home. In twenty twelve, President Obama established

0:25:57.600 --> 0:26:01.920
<v Speaker 3>the Third Action for Childhood or RIDE or DACA through

0:26:01.920 --> 0:26:04.600
<v Speaker 3>executive action, but it would be too.

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<v Speaker 6>Late for Danielle.

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<v Speaker 3>La Promessa did not come to pass, but enforcement did

0:26:10.480 --> 0:26:15.960
<v Speaker 3>ramp up as Obama faced criticism from border hawks, expansions

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<v Speaker 3>of ICE, border Patrol and CVP, and record numbers of

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<v Speaker 3>deportations every year of Obama's first term.

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<v Speaker 1>We have more of everyone, ice, border patrol, surveillance, you

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<v Speaker 1>name it.

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<v Speaker 6>For us. This president has been the deporter in chief.

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<v Speaker 4>The majority of the deportations seventy two percent were migrants

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<v Speaker 4>from Mexico.

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<v Speaker 1>Removals immigrants formally expelled and barred from returning, have risen

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<v Speaker 1>to an all time high.

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<v Speaker 3>Under the Obama administration. Nearly three million people were deported

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<v Speaker 3>from the US, and Danielle was about to become one

0:26:58.320 --> 0:27:14.080
<v Speaker 3>of them. At the Border Patrol station, daniel spent five

0:27:14.320 --> 0:27:18.040
<v Speaker 3>hours trying to figure out what to do, whether he

0:27:18.160 --> 0:27:21.800
<v Speaker 3>wanted to risk spending months in a detention center.

0:27:22.880 --> 0:27:25.440
<v Speaker 4>I just felt like I wasn't going to be able

0:27:25.480 --> 0:27:29.480
<v Speaker 4>to make it in jail, regardless of whatever happened. I mean,

0:27:29.880 --> 0:27:33.520
<v Speaker 4>jail was going to be worse than coming back to Mexico.

0:27:34.119 --> 0:27:36.800
<v Speaker 4>So I asked him if I could call Eric. They

0:27:36.880 --> 0:27:39.760
<v Speaker 4>said yes. I called him and I let him know

0:27:39.840 --> 0:27:44.200
<v Speaker 4>that I had decided that the best thing to do was.

0:27:45.640 --> 0:27:46.480
<v Speaker 6>To be deported.

0:27:47.560 --> 0:27:52.760
<v Speaker 3>Daniel decided to go through with the deportation process, but

0:27:52.920 --> 0:27:55.760
<v Speaker 3>he couldn't totally escape detention.

0:27:56.560 --> 0:27:57.040
<v Speaker 6>He says.

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<v Speaker 3>Officers processed him into a cell.

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<v Speaker 4>I was told to undress, I got the uniform, and

0:28:08.440 --> 0:28:12.320
<v Speaker 4>then I was told to wait. When I was going

0:28:12.480 --> 0:28:16.359
<v Speaker 4>to the prison facility where I was held, I noticed

0:28:16.400 --> 0:28:18.440
<v Speaker 4>that all the men that I was in the cell

0:28:18.560 --> 0:28:24.120
<v Speaker 4>with were either barefoot or they had shoes without laces

0:28:24.119 --> 0:28:28.119
<v Speaker 4>on them. I was feeling shame because I felt like

0:28:28.200 --> 0:28:32.000
<v Speaker 4>I had let my parents down, that all the time

0:28:32.200 --> 0:28:34.680
<v Speaker 4>spent at school, all the money that they had put

0:28:34.720 --> 0:28:40.680
<v Speaker 4>into my education, was all being wasted. I just sat

0:28:40.760 --> 0:28:45.080
<v Speaker 4>down on a corner and I was really really cold,

0:28:45.120 --> 0:28:48.920
<v Speaker 4>and I was hungry, and I didn't know what time

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<v Speaker 4>it was.

0:28:50.520 --> 0:28:54.600
<v Speaker 3>He thinks he was in there for about five days,

0:28:54.920 --> 0:28:56.840
<v Speaker 3>but he has trouble remembering.

0:28:57.440 --> 0:29:00.360
<v Speaker 6>It was all a blur, and like.

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<v Speaker 4>I was sparalleling down and it got progressively worse. I

0:29:08.440 --> 0:29:13.320
<v Speaker 4>started feeling like my life had no meaning. I felt

0:29:13.360 --> 0:29:17.320
<v Speaker 4>like I had lost everything. When you were in this

0:29:17.520 --> 0:29:24.400
<v Speaker 4>moment of despair, you think about the craziest things that

0:29:24.800 --> 0:29:28.880
<v Speaker 4>you know that you could easily, you know, make it

0:29:28.920 --> 0:29:35.560
<v Speaker 4>all end with the sheets that you have there, with

0:29:35.680 --> 0:29:36.760
<v Speaker 4>the metal sinc.

0:29:41.520 --> 0:29:45.800
<v Speaker 3>Finally, an officer handed him his clothes and told him

0:29:45.840 --> 0:29:46.880
<v Speaker 3>it was time to go.

0:29:48.040 --> 0:29:53.560
<v Speaker 4>We were driven at night to an airport and I

0:29:53.600 --> 0:29:58.120
<v Speaker 4>saw this huge airplane and I saw how they started

0:29:58.160 --> 0:30:01.280
<v Speaker 4>loading up the busses of pe pole they started loading

0:30:01.360 --> 0:30:08.960
<v Speaker 4>up the plane. I had those chains that have handcuffs

0:30:09.520 --> 0:30:14.440
<v Speaker 4>on your wrist and on your ankles, and it was

0:30:14.800 --> 0:30:19.440
<v Speaker 4>really hard to walk up those metal stairs and to

0:30:19.520 --> 0:30:24.200
<v Speaker 4>get on the plane. And they're cold, and the night

0:30:24.280 --> 0:30:27.120
<v Speaker 4>fell cold, and I was angry.

0:30:28.960 --> 0:30:32.760
<v Speaker 3>Danielle says he was flown from Texas to Yuma, Arizona,

0:30:33.560 --> 0:30:38.640
<v Speaker 3>then rode a bus along the US Mexico border. He

0:30:38.800 --> 0:30:42.600
<v Speaker 3>remembers looking out the window at the rusted metal wall

0:30:43.040 --> 0:30:46.240
<v Speaker 3>and thinking how it could have been an installation by

0:30:46.280 --> 0:30:50.440
<v Speaker 3>the artist Richard Serra. In a strange twist of faith.

0:30:51.000 --> 0:30:55.000
<v Speaker 3>Danielle was briefly back in California, where his parents lived.

0:30:55.920 --> 0:31:00.640
<v Speaker 3>The Boss took him across the Calexico Bridge to Mexicali, Mexico.

0:31:01.560 --> 0:31:06.160
<v Speaker 3>He remembers seeing the Mexican flag waving in the air.

0:31:06.640 --> 0:31:12.560
<v Speaker 4>I wanted to turn around because I felt like I

0:31:12.640 --> 0:31:16.160
<v Speaker 4>didn't belong in Mexico. I was being brought back to

0:31:16.240 --> 0:31:20.040
<v Speaker 4>a place that saw me be born, but no longer

0:31:20.040 --> 0:31:28.360
<v Speaker 4>felt like home. And if home is where your heart is,

0:31:30.760 --> 0:31:36.400
<v Speaker 4>my heart was in Texas and I was heartless.

0:31:38.320 --> 0:31:42.800
<v Speaker 3>There's this particular moment Danielle remembers from the bus ride

0:31:43.360 --> 0:31:46.360
<v Speaker 3>when the guards turned on the radio.

0:31:46.640 --> 0:31:49.680
<v Speaker 4>The one song that stuck with me as I saw

0:31:49.880 --> 0:31:55.000
<v Speaker 4>the Mexican border coming up was Sila Greens Fuck You.

0:31:55.200 --> 0:31:57.880
<v Speaker 6>I don't know the song, how does the song look?

0:31:59.080 --> 0:31:59.240
<v Speaker 2>So?

0:31:59.360 --> 0:32:03.200
<v Speaker 4>The song said, as you've been writing around with the girl,

0:32:03.240 --> 0:32:06.080
<v Speaker 4>I love that You've been doing your best, but now

0:32:06.240 --> 0:32:07.680
<v Speaker 4>she's with someone else.

0:32:11.600 --> 0:32:11.880
<v Speaker 3>Life.

0:32:12.120 --> 0:32:18.680
<v Speaker 4>Forget you. That phrase, forget you, I felt it down

0:32:18.880 --> 0:32:33.600
<v Speaker 4>in my heart as a goodbye song from me to America.

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<v Speaker 2>Forget lorinar Rios is the lead reporter of Imperfect Paradise,

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<v Speaker 2>Return to Mexico, coming up what it takes to get

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<v Speaker 2>to the US physically and emotionally.

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<v Speaker 4>And I was starting to feel the stroke coming and

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<v Speaker 4>we start running, and I have no idea where.

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<v Speaker 2>We were what it means to be ripped from your

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<v Speaker 2>home and the people you love.

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<v Speaker 4>When I finally saw him pull up on the street

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<v Speaker 4>where I was living, I didn't know whether to kiss

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<v Speaker 4>him or not.

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<v Speaker 2>This story is about transition, and.

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<v Speaker 4>I started having this weird struggle within the Mexican part

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<v Speaker 4>that has this beautiful freedom that can go anywhere, or

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<v Speaker 4>the American one that wants to come back. And it's

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<v Speaker 4>always like longing for something that he no longer has.

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<v Speaker 2>How Daniel found a sense of home in the middle

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<v Speaker 2>of all that uncertainty and reclaimed his homeland. This episode

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<v Speaker 2>of Imperfect Paradise Returned to Mexico was written and reported

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<v Speaker 2>by Lorenard rios Co, writing by Natalie Schatovski, who is

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<v Speaker 2>also the senior producer of the show. I'm the show's host,

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<v Speaker 2>Antonia Sadahido. Catherine Milhouse is the executive producer of the show,

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<v Speaker 2>and Shane and Naomi Crockmell is our vice president of Podcasts.

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<v Speaker 2>Our producer and sound designer is Emma Alabaster. Our editor

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<v Speaker 2>is Sofia Baisakhar. Our editorial consultant is Leslie Beersteindrochas. Jens

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<v Speaker 2>Campbell is our production coordinator. Fact checking by Caitlin Antonio's,

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<v Speaker 2>mixing by E. Scott Kelly, and additional engineering by Donald Poz.

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<v Speaker 2>Special thanks to the Professor's researchers and lawyers we talk

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<v Speaker 2>to for our reporting, including David Shirk, Nil's Frienzen, Jody Seizmer,

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<v Speaker 2>and Tobin Hansen. If you, or anyone you know has

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