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Speaker 2: Hope you had a great weekend. Everybody, Gang's all here,

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Speaker 2: Dan Patrick Show. The Minister of Humor, Fritzie, he got Seaton,

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Speaker 2: Congratulations to the Oklahoma City Thunder. The best regular season team,

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Speaker 2: the best postseason team. But the Pacers held on for

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Speaker 2: dear life. They pushed it to seven games. But the

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Speaker 2: Tyree's Halliburton injury was tough to overcome. We talked about

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Speaker 2: it when he injured his calf, and you'll see this

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Speaker 2: that the calf injury and the possibility of an achilles injury.

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Speaker 2: We talked about that last week. Unfortunately it came to

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Speaker 2: fruition and you couldn't help but think of Kevin Durant

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Speaker 2: when he got off to a hot start and then

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Speaker 2: he blew out his achilles a few years ago. But

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Speaker 2: Tyrese Haliburton will remember an incredible postseason run. Also, Shay

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Speaker 2: gilgis Alexander not many. This is rarefied air. When you

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Speaker 2: put him in there with Michael and Shack. When you're

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Speaker 2: going to be the regular season MVP scoring champ. You're

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Speaker 2: going to win an NBA title Finals MVP. And he

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Speaker 2: did it in an effortless way. He did it in

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Speaker 2: an old school way. Now I say old school because

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Speaker 2: he doesn't rely on the three point shot. He'll beach

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Speaker 2: off the dribble. He's capable of scoring on three different levels.

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Speaker 2: But he was efficiently brilliant in the NBA Finals. We'll

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Speaker 2: Sports Illustrated will join us from Oklahoma City. Gilbert Arena's

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Speaker 2: former NBA All Star. We'll join us. We'll talk about

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Speaker 2: the Kevin Durant trade that happened yesterday.

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Speaker 2: All right, Seaton poll question for hour one is going.

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Speaker 3: To be what, well, I've got something that could be

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Speaker 3: considered a sign of the apocalypse or just very bad

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Speaker 3: news for.

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Speaker 1: Two people here?

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Speaker 3: Okay, Paul and Todd have both submitted the same pole question.

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Speaker 1: O man, what happened to Paul? That's right?

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Speaker 3: Is Todd coming up or is Paul going down?

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Speaker 1: I can't really tell Paul.

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Speaker 2: What's the possibility of both questions being good?

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Speaker 3: That's for you to decide that. All Righty, the NBA

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Speaker 3: Finals was memorable for dot dot dot. Uh, Well, let's see, Paul.

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Speaker 3: Options were the first title of this young OKC team,

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Speaker 3: SGA cementing himself as a superstar, Pacers fight, Halliburton's injury

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Speaker 3: or nothing or nothing? Yes Todd's suggestions where the sitter

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Speaker 3: the Oklahoma City winning their first ever title, SGA being

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Speaker 3: named the MVP, Halliburton's injury, or Kevin Durant getting traded

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Speaker 3: to this from the Suns to the Rockets.

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Speaker 2: Hmm with no local ties. I would say Tyree's Halliburton's injury.

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Speaker 2: I think his playoff performance leading into the NBA Finals

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Speaker 2: and he gave them hope. SGA was you know, brilliant,

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Speaker 2: and he also had a you know, a Game seven

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Speaker 2: that we haven't had in a long time. You know,

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Speaker 2: twenty nine and twelve assists. First player to reach those

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Speaker 2: numbers in game seven of an NBA Finals you have

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Speaker 2: to go back to nineteen seventy when Wald Fraser went

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Speaker 2: and hope went down and didn't get back up last night.

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Speaker 2: So I would say, in ten years from now, let's

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Speaker 2: put it that way. How about we put a window

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Speaker 2: on this year's NBA Finals, it's probably going to be

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Speaker 2: Tyrese Haliburton will remember because of the injury, how they

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Speaker 2: had played, they forced at game seven. Okay, see was

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Speaker 2: the best team, but I think what the Pacers did

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Speaker 2: created more headline conversation than what Oklahoma City did.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think how we remember this Finals is dependent

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Speaker 1: If we go right back to after this.

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Speaker 3: Year, if next year we go back to some sort

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Speaker 2: But also keep in mind Tyrese Haliburton will probably be

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Speaker 2: out all next year, so you know his impact is

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Speaker 2: able to play. Jason Tatum not able to play for

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Speaker 2: the Celtics next year, probably not, so factor those in

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Speaker 2: if Jannis is going to stay in Milwaukee like all

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Speaker 2: but they would be the favorites. The Knicks, you know,

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Speaker 2: once again, would be in the in the in the

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Speaker 2: conversation there. But if you don't have Tatum and you

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Speaker 2: don't have Halliburton, and those are the best players on

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Speaker 2: the on the best teams right now. East is wide open.

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Speaker 2: That's where Yannis might go. H maybe can you help

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Speaker 2: something here in Milwaukee. But we'll talk to Chris Mannix

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Speaker 2: about this, because I think Mannix gets the feeling that Jannis,

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Speaker 2: if he's going anywhere, would end up in San Antonio.

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Speaker 2: But Kevin Durant ending up with Houston. You know that

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Speaker 2: Cleveland was in this. I'm told at the last minute,

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Speaker 2: like there were teams going, hey, we know you got

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Speaker 2: to trade him. What's it going to take? And I

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Speaker 2: think the Knicks made another run out. Everybody was kind

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Speaker 2: of like circling it was. It was a open secret

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Speaker 1: But we'll talk about that.

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Speaker 2: With Durant being traded and Houston, I thought did pretty

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Speaker 2: well here.

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Speaker 1: You can look at the draft picks.

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Speaker 2: I don't look at the draft picks the way I

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Speaker 2: give you a I don't know how many second round

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Speaker 1: You want four?

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Speaker 2: You won five, go ahead, take whatever you want. And

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Speaker 2: Jalen Green, it's weird to be what is he twenty

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Speaker 2: concern with Houston that maybe he is not that number

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Speaker 2: one guy. Phoenix Suns are a mess. They really are,

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Speaker 2: and they you know, it's not just one year. I

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Speaker 2: mean they've been consistent in being a mess because you

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Speaker 2: get Bradley Beal. I can only warn these owners in

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Speaker 2: then it's on them. Get a new owner. Matt Eshmia,

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Speaker 2: former walk on at Michigan State. All of a sudden,

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Speaker 2: you start making decisions. You bring in Durant. You gave

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Speaker 2: up a lot to get Durant. Devin Booker. I don't

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Speaker 2: are you building around Devin Booker? Like it feels like

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Speaker 2: who is anybody going to pass the ball on that team?

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Speaker 2: Bradley Beal, Devin Booker and Jalen Green. I don't like that.

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Speaker 2: I don't like that at all. But when I saw it.

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Speaker 2: I go all right, Durant goes to Houston. I like

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Speaker 2: the roster. M a Udoka, the head coach, just got

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Speaker 2: a contract extension. It's a young team, but now you

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Speaker 2: have a closer. Now you got a guy can go

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Speaker 2: get you a bucket, and that's going to make them

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Speaker 2: extremely dangerous. It's a young team, aggressive team, good defensive team,

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Speaker 2: and now you got a guy crunch time who can

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Speaker 2: get you a bucket. Now, granted he's thirty seven, but

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Speaker 2: his game is not really predicated on jumping high or

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Speaker 2: moving fast. Just feels like he gets to spots and

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Speaker 2: he will kill you. But from the perspective of the Rockets,

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Speaker 2: I like what they did because it's now now they're

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Speaker 2: trying to win a championship where Phoenix, Phoenix is going

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Speaker 2: to have to take the wrecking ball, and.

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Speaker 1: I can you can't trade Bradley Beal.

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Speaker 2: Imagine Lebron and Bradley be are the two guys who

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Speaker 2: don't have no trade classes.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, you have Bradley Beal and.

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Speaker 2: Devin Booker and Jalen Green and I don't know the

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Speaker 2: ghost of Steve Nash there, yes, Marvin.

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Speaker 4: The crazy part is the Suns were in the finals

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Speaker 4: in twenty twenty nine. No, I know how things change

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Speaker 4: so fast with a young Devin Booker. If you're thinking

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Speaker 4: when they got to the finals, oh, we'll be back.

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Speaker 4: That's the scariest part about getting to the finals. You

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Speaker 4: don't know which way it's going to go.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know.

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Speaker 2: I brought up this calf issue thing because Dame Lillard

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Speaker 2: and Jason Tatum both told Gilbert Arenas that they had

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Speaker 2: that's what happened with Tyree's Haliburton.

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Speaker 1: And that's why I wondered, can you put him out there?

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Speaker 2: I know he wants to be out there, but you

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Speaker 2: that you're going to you're gonna tear your achilles. Tatum

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Speaker 2: tore their achilles, and that's what happened with Tyre's Haliburton. Also,

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Speaker 2: don't wear the number zero, Dame Lillard zero, Jason Tatum zero,

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Speaker 2: Tyre's Halliburton zero. Yikes, who else is wearing zero? We

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Speaker 2: got to give them a heads up. Christian Brown, be careful. Well, Okay,

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Speaker 2: if he wears zero. Sure. All righty, so the poll question,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we got one more here for you. Okay, bigger

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Speaker 3: mistake trading SGA, Trading the Sonics.

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Speaker 2: Well, that owner wanted to move them to Okay C. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: so I get that. But you go back to when

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Speaker 2: Shay Gilgis was traded. Now Sam Presty Oklahoma City GM

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Speaker 2: take Paul George, take his contract.

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Speaker 1: What are you going to give us in return?

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Speaker 2: And they had accumulated so many draft picks there in

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Speaker 2: Oklahoma City, and all of a sudden, you know, I

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Speaker 2: watched Shay Gilgis at Kentucky.

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Speaker 1: I can't tell you.

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Speaker 2: I remember one play that he had kind of like

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Speaker 1: Good to see you again.

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Speaker 2: Let me start with ten years from now, we'll remember

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Speaker 8: Personalities, that goes from basketball style, that goes from coaching,

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00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:01,240
Speaker 8: that goes from gms.

436
00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:03,520
Speaker 9: What are they looking at? What's their eye? Right?

437
00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:06,800
Speaker 8: You have to have an eye for talent and how

438
00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:10,399
Speaker 8: it works together. Like just playing in the game and

439
00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:12,399
Speaker 8: looking at those three I'm saying, oh, you need to

440
00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:13,800
Speaker 8: be in a triangle or you need to be in

441
00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:17,199
Speaker 8: the Princeton offense, because the offense is not made for

442
00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:18,000
Speaker 8: your superstar.

443
00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:21,760
Speaker 9: It's made for the team. So the team can move around.

444
00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:24,160
Speaker 8: And get little buckets here and there to keep them excited,

445
00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:26,560
Speaker 8: to keep the defense honest. But when you have a

446
00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:30,320
Speaker 8: stationary offense where your three main guys have the ball

447
00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:32,639
Speaker 8: to everyone since in the corner, I don't have to

448
00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:34,760
Speaker 8: guard the corner guys, So that means I'm just gonna

449
00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:40,200
Speaker 8: guard Kevin, Duran and Build and we're just gonna load up.

450
00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:42,720
Speaker 8: And that's what the triangle was made for. Yeah, we

451
00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:45,919
Speaker 8: got Jordan, Kobe and Shack, but we're gonna make you

452
00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:49,400
Speaker 8: guard bj Armstrong, Steve Kerb because we're gonna move them

453
00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:51,600
Speaker 8: off screens and if you don't play it correctly, here's

454
00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:53,600
Speaker 8: gonna be a layup, here's gonna be a jump shot.

455
00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:55,440
Speaker 9: And that's what they didn't do in suns.

456
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Speaker 2: What was your thought or thoughts on Lebron where he's said,

457
00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:03,200
Speaker 2: you know that we're obsessed with chasing rings. The media

458
00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:06,320
Speaker 2: is obsessed with players chasing rings.

459
00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:10,960
Speaker 8: He's right right. It was the same thing Michael Jordan said.

460
00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:13,120
Speaker 8: You know, he said the same exact thing. He said,

461
00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:15,720
Speaker 8: you know Bill Russell got eleven, but does that make

462
00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:16,399
Speaker 8: him better than me?

463
00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:19,320
Speaker 9: Right? I got six? Does that make me better than him?

464
00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:24,600
Speaker 8: Because obviously there's more to just a ring and talent.

465
00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:27,840
Speaker 8: You can be talented and not win a ring. You

466
00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:30,920
Speaker 8: can be horrible and win a ring because you got

467
00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:34,240
Speaker 8: a great cast around you. So what they're saying is correct,

468
00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:37,600
Speaker 8: and it goes by the top seventy five list, right,

469
00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:42,040
Speaker 8: the top seventy five lists that was put in, voted in,

470
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Speaker 8: and then they voted in order. That lets you know

471
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Speaker 8: rings doesn't necessarily matter because you have Scottie Pippen with

472
00:25:50,119 --> 00:25:53,960
Speaker 8: six rings, six All NBA or seven All NBAS, seven

473
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Speaker 8: All Stars, ten Defensive Awards, but he's sitting at thirty

474
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Speaker 8: two already one it's allan iverson, no rings, So you're

475
00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:06,119
Speaker 8: telling me six rings is getting beat out by what

476
00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:07,560
Speaker 8: four scoring titles and MVP.

477
00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:11,560
Speaker 9: Then you got Chris Paul sitting at twenty nine.

478
00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:16,359
Speaker 8: Then you got Karl Malone, John Stocked and Charles Barkley

479
00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:18,560
Speaker 8: not none of them got the rings, but they're all

480
00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:19,720
Speaker 8: in front of Scottie Pippen.

481
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Speaker 9: Then that's seventy five.

482
00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:25,920
Speaker 8: You have Dame litter right, six All Stars at the time,

483
00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:29,240
Speaker 8: six All NBA's Klay Thompson doesn't make it in He

484
00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:35,360
Speaker 8: has three All Three Championships, two five All Stars, two

485
00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:38,640
Speaker 8: All nbas so his resume is not better with the rings.

486
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Speaker 8: So it's showing you that rings don't matter. Your individual

487
00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:47,159
Speaker 8: talent matters first. Then the rings kind of help you

488
00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:51,320
Speaker 8: over the top. But the media has pushed rings as

489
00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:54,160
Speaker 8: the cake instead of just a cherry on top.

490
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Speaker 2: Would you rather have Scottie Pippen's career or Alan Iverson's.

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Speaker 8: History, says Iverson, He's going to be remembered more because

492
00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:08,000
Speaker 8: his background says he was a top player in the NBA.

493
00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:11,600
Speaker 9: He was an MVP. Remember all MVPs.

494
00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:13,960
Speaker 8: One, you're the best player if you're a scoring champ,

495
00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:15,800
Speaker 8: says your top five.

496
00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:16,879
Speaker 9: I don't know how.

497
00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:20,200
Speaker 8: Many scoring champs in the NBA went to second team

498
00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:22,320
Speaker 8: All NBA usually their first team All NBA.

499
00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:26,080
Speaker 9: So it kind of says who he was in the NBA. Right.

500
00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:28,320
Speaker 8: You know, the average fan is going to say, yeah,

501
00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:29,560
Speaker 8: I'm gonna take the six rings, I'm.

502
00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:30,040
Speaker 9: Gonna be a champ.

503
00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:32,720
Speaker 8: But we're looking at Scottie Pippen and we've seen how

504
00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:35,479
Speaker 8: Scottie Pippen has been treated with six rings.

505
00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:37,440
Speaker 9: He's not treated like Michael Jordan.

506
00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:42,919
Speaker 8: Right, So when you say my legacy, the legacy for

507
00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:47,480
Speaker 8: you personally, yeah, six rings, but the legacy for everyone

508
00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:50,199
Speaker 8: when you walk in public, are you respected? If you

509
00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:55,080
Speaker 8: say Scottie Pippen and Alan Iverson, everybody runs to Allen

510
00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:58,120
Speaker 8: Iverson because they remember he was iconic at what he did.

511
00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:01,840
Speaker 8: I mean, as a basketball player, we're taught we want

512
00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:06,119
Speaker 8: to be a champion. We get reality once our career

513
00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:08,639
Speaker 8: is done. And we're sitting there six rings trying to

514
00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:11,440
Speaker 8: get you know, these business deals done, and everybody's like, yeah,

515
00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:16,800
Speaker 8: you're not Michael Jordan, and you're like hmmm, and you

516
00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:19,480
Speaker 8: know that's it's the sad truth. I just do the

517
00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:22,560
Speaker 8: research and then say what I found. You know, they

518
00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:25,119
Speaker 8: can they can disagree, and then I can say, well

519
00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:27,679
Speaker 8: here's all the facts. Do you do you not like

520
00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:29,600
Speaker 8: the facts? There's the reason Kobe's at tim There's a

521
00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:35,400
Speaker 8: reason Kobe with three rings push shack away because when

522
00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:38,320
Speaker 8: he had the three rings and we're saying he's saying, hey,

523
00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:40,680
Speaker 8: I'm Michael Jordan, They're like, yeah, well Shaq is carrying

524
00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:44,720
Speaker 8: you and he's like wait what no, wait wait hold

525
00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:47,080
Speaker 8: on a lim. You told me that I'm the next

526
00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:48,840
Speaker 8: thing to Michael Jordan. Why are you not treating me

527
00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:51,080
Speaker 8: like that? So now as well, I need to get

528
00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:53,240
Speaker 8: rid of him to show who I am winning. That's

529
00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:55,480
Speaker 8: why his fourth and fifth ring to him is the

530
00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:56,320
Speaker 8: most special one.

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Speaker 9: They're the sweetest ones. You see, the reality of it is.

532
00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:04,120
Speaker 8: We're we're we're finding out in real time.

533
00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:06,200
Speaker 9: We're told championships is everything.

534
00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:10,280
Speaker 8: When we're getting them and we're not being recognized for him,

535
00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:11,719
Speaker 8: that's when reality kicks in.

536
00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:15,960
Speaker 2: But do you think that Kobe is the one who

537
00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:19,680
Speaker 2: initiated this? I mean there was friction with him in Shack.

538
00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:22,280
Speaker 2: First of all, Shack had his little brother. Then all

539
00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:26,680
Speaker 2: of a sudden, little brother is getting thirty, and then

540
00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:29,400
Speaker 2: all of a sudden things change that Yes we did win,

541
00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:33,320
Speaker 2: I you know, had an equal hand in this. But

542
00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:36,480
Speaker 2: then did it get to the point where both their

543
00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:39,440
Speaker 2: egos or maybe Kobe's ego to say I got to

544
00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:42,080
Speaker 2: prove that I can win without Shack.

545
00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:45,840
Speaker 8: And that's and that's that's exactly what it is. You're winning.

546
00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:48,280
Speaker 8: He's getting all the credit and he's like, well.

547
00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:50,200
Speaker 9: I have this thirty two. I did my part.

548
00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:54,040
Speaker 8: Why I'm not getting the equal love, right. So when

549
00:29:54,120 --> 00:30:00,560
Speaker 8: we talk about champions and you're giving options and won

550
00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:03,840
Speaker 8: all the love, while Option Tour is like, I did

551
00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:07,920
Speaker 8: just as much damage, Kyrie, same thing.

552
00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:10,880
Speaker 9: Pay hold on, I hit the game winner. I hit

553
00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:13,840
Speaker 9: the game winner then, and Lebron is getting all the credits.

554
00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:15,200
Speaker 8: So he's like, well, I need to I need to

555
00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:17,080
Speaker 8: go and show people I can do this by myself too.

556
00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:19,960
Speaker 8: That's what ends up happening. That's where the egos come from.

557
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:23,680
Speaker 8: The egos come from. I'm watching the guy get all

558
00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:26,240
Speaker 8: the love and I'm waiting next and I'm hearing all

559
00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:29,000
Speaker 8: the people and everybody's going getting all all the graphs

560
00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:33,760
Speaker 8: and they're like, hey, Robin, you did great, and he's like, Robin, no, no, no.

561
00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:35,960
Speaker 8: I'm like, I'm like a batman too. I'm like a

562
00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:38,960
Speaker 8: little bit like I'm one B. I'm one B. Give

563
00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:41,600
Speaker 8: me the one beloved and they don't get it. And

564
00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:45,760
Speaker 8: that's where the ego plays a part. How many titles?

565
00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:48,800
Speaker 8: If Shaq and Kobe stay together, do you think they win?

566
00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:52,520
Speaker 8: I talked to players on the team because I'm a big,

567
00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:54,720
Speaker 8: big Kobe fan. Even though people don't think like every

568
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Speaker 8: my whole life revolves around the tattoos la Kobe everything.

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00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:00,800
Speaker 1: Wait, you got be tattoos?

570
00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:03,520
Speaker 8: I got number. I got a twenty four tatt after

571
00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:05,840
Speaker 8: he won his championship by himself.

572
00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:08,160
Speaker 9: Right, I got it. I got it right on my leg,

573
00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:11,360
Speaker 9: twenty four. Tat it right Because as a Kobe.

574
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Speaker 8: Fan, when they say you couldn't win one without Shaq,

575
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:14,560
Speaker 8: it's like you.

576
00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:16,680
Speaker 9: Proved everybody wrong. Yes, that's yes.

577
00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:20,520
Speaker 2: Wait wait wait you're in the league with Kobe. Yeah,

578
00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:22,040
Speaker 2: and you got a tattoo of Kobe.

579
00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:22,760
Speaker 5: Yes.

580
00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:28,080
Speaker 1: What did he say when he saw it?

581
00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:30,479
Speaker 9: He never knows, he's never seen it before.

582
00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:32,880
Speaker 1: Did he know you had it? Yes?

583
00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:36,560
Speaker 9: Like people don't know. Like people don't know. Like I played.

584
00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:39,040
Speaker 8: I played in the Olympics or the two thousand and

585
00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:40,040
Speaker 8: six Friba games.

586
00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:42,680
Speaker 9: I wore number ten. I wore number.

587
00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:44,720
Speaker 8: Ten because I had the conversation with Kobe if you

588
00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:46,440
Speaker 8: ever played in the game, what number would you wear?

589
00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:49,040
Speaker 8: And he said, I'm wearing number ten because there's one

590
00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:50,640
Speaker 8: more than Jordan's nine.

591
00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:53,000
Speaker 9: Okay, So when I got.

592
00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:55,040
Speaker 8: The team, I wore ten, and then when I didn't

593
00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:56,880
Speaker 8: make the team and he played, he wore ten. But

594
00:31:56,960 --> 00:31:59,280
Speaker 8: I did that for I did that for that, so

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00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:01,080
Speaker 8: I'm will be always.

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00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:04,800
Speaker 1: It's kind of stalker ish here, you know for sure?

597
00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:08,280
Speaker 1: Yeah no, no, no, you have any other players on your body?

598
00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:13,719
Speaker 9: No, just just coked. No no, oh no. Penny Hardaway College.

599
00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:17,880
Speaker 8: So those are my two favorite Penny Hardaway when I.

600
00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:19,960
Speaker 9: Went to Orlando. When I went to Orlando, I wore

601
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Speaker 9: number one. I were number one.

602
00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:26,000
Speaker 8: Also, so I have Penny twenty five on my leg.

603
00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:28,400
Speaker 8: So I wore twenty five in high school because of

604
00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:29,280
Speaker 8: Penny Memphis.

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00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:37,200
Speaker 2: Jeff short Son, Yes, show me the Kobe one, all.

606
00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:41,000
Speaker 8: Right, say, I don't know if you can see so.

607
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:43,880
Speaker 2: So whoa, okay, wow you got uh yeah, you got

608
00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:45,320
Speaker 2: Kobe close to your heart.

609
00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:49,160
Speaker 9: There it is twenty five twenty four right here, and

610
00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:52,440
Speaker 9: uh it's blessed with skills.

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00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:53,920
Speaker 1: Wow.

612
00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:55,200
Speaker 9: Yeah, I know.

613
00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:59,000
Speaker 8: But I think they would have won if Shack So

614
00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:01,400
Speaker 8: this is what was said. If Shaq was still the

615
00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:05,360
Speaker 8: leader and the head of the Snake on the two

616
00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:08,120
Speaker 8: thousand and two two thousand and three team, we would

617
00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:09,600
Speaker 8: have won that fourth championship.

618
00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:13,240
Speaker 9: We would have won the fourth But that's where the.

619
00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:16,680
Speaker 8: Argument where he got coined the batman and then Shaq

620
00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:19,600
Speaker 8: got hurt missed the first twelve games of that season,

621
00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:22,320
Speaker 8: and Kobe put the crown on, and that's where the

622
00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:25,240
Speaker 8: fighting started because Phil couldn't get it from him right.

623
00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:27,520
Speaker 9: He was like, I'm not taking a back seat anymore.

624
00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:30,480
Speaker 8: And so they would have won that championship if Shaq

625
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:34,440
Speaker 8: was still the lead dog, they think, and then obviously

626
00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:37,040
Speaker 8: the Karl alone them they could have won that one.

627
00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:39,880
Speaker 9: But I think they would have probably had at that.

628
00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:48,080
Speaker 8: Time all the way probably to two thousands six or

629
00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:51,360
Speaker 8: the two thousand and sixth season, they could have still

630
00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:53,600
Speaker 8: managed just add a couple of pieces. Then Shaq would

631
00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:57,800
Speaker 8: have probably start declining right there, and then just you know,

632
00:33:58,040 --> 00:33:59,040
Speaker 8: added someone else.

633
00:33:59,200 --> 00:33:59,920
Speaker 9: I think they could have.

634
00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:02,760
Speaker 2: What do you say to your wife or what does

635
00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:04,640
Speaker 2: your wife say to you when she realizes you have

636
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:05,600
Speaker 2: Kobe's tattoo?

637
00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:13,640
Speaker 9: That's it's my fandom, it's my it's my fandom. I'm

638
00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:14,120
Speaker 9: a fan.

639
00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:16,920
Speaker 8: Like I'm one of those like if I wasn't an

640
00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:20,360
Speaker 8: NBA player, I would be a season ticket holder with

641
00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:24,320
Speaker 8: the paint on sitting there that that that crazy guy

642
00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:27,520
Speaker 8: that's outside as the broadogram, that will be me, Like

643
00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:31,160
Speaker 8: I was. I was a fan first, and I used

644
00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:33,760
Speaker 8: to say when I played like I'm an NBA player,

645
00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:36,239
Speaker 8: but I'm a fan first, so I got That's why

646
00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:38,920
Speaker 8: I got all the autographs. If you look at my room, right,

647
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:43,240
Speaker 8: I got the ok c's on one side and then Indianna's.

648
00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:45,640
Speaker 9: One on the other side. Right, I'm rooting for both, right,

649
00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:48,120
Speaker 9: But I'm a Laker. I'm a Laker at at at heart.

650
00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:50,920
Speaker 2: But I now know why you didn't show Kobe, given

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Speaker 2: the location of that tattoo on inner thigh, you don't

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Speaker 2: show Hey, Kobe, come here.

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Speaker 1: I want to show you something.

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Speaker 9: You know, it's it looks a little weird, is you know?

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Speaker 8: Why would you put it down here and say, well,

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Speaker 8: I'm covering everywhere else?

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Speaker 9: You know?

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Speaker 1: Great to talk to you, as always, I appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: That's a Gilbert Arenas, host of Gil's Arena podcast and

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Speaker 2: Gil and Underdog's Hit show, which streams Monday through Thursday

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Speaker 2: wherever you get your podcast. Always fun, always, but I

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Speaker 2: love the enthusiasm that he does love the game and

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Speaker 2: he knows the game as well. We'll take a break

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Speaker 2: when we come back. Our best and worst of the weekend.

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Speaker 2: hour on this Monday, Dan and the Dan EDGs, Dan

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Speaker 2: Patrick Show, more of your phone calls, best and Worst

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Speaker 2: of the weekend. Minister of Humor, Fritzie Seaton, Marv Pauliers,

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Speaker 2: truly in the brgs, the back room, guys, Congratulations to

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Speaker 2: the Oklahoma City Thunder. It's almost like, Okay, you won

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Speaker 2: your title. Now we want to talk about the other things.

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Speaker 2: The draft is coming up Wednesday. How about Durant with Houston?

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Speaker 2: Is Gianni's going to be traded? You give the flowers

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Speaker 2: to oksee, they deserve it. They did everything that you

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Speaker 2: want in a championship team. They won their game, sevens

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Speaker 2: that they had. They had the best player in the sport.

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Speaker 2: He came up big just about every game he played big.

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Speaker 2: Previous game did not, but came back like a true

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Speaker 2: MVP and a team effort. I know it wasn't exciting.

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Speaker 2: You didn't have star power there. We love to have

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Speaker 2: our stars. You didn't have it. It's like going to

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Speaker 2: see a great movie or a great Broadway play and

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Speaker 2: somebody says, well, who's in it?

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Speaker 1: Nobody really know? Was it good?

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Speaker 5: Oh?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was really good.

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Speaker 2: I think we're going to remember this NBA Finals though

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Speaker 2: for Tyrese Haliburton, SGA was wonderful. But I think we're

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Speaker 2: gonna remember Tyrese Haliburton what happened in Game one, the injury,

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Speaker 2: coming back playing, and then last night trying to play,

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Speaker 2: start out well and then ends up blowing out a hamstring.

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Speaker 4: Yes, Marvin, if the Oklahoma City Thunder had stars, would

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Speaker 4: we look at them as one of the greatest teams

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Speaker 4: ever they won sixty eight games.

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Speaker 2: I think it would help because then it kind of

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Speaker 2: validates when you're making your argument. You know, you can

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Speaker 2: go back to what the four Pistons when they won,

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Speaker 2: but I don't know, if they had star power, you

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00:37:37,560 --> 00:37:41,279
Speaker 2: were like, yeah, they were really good, Okay, give me

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Speaker 2: their best players. Like that's how you make your argument.

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Speaker 2: It feels like when you go they had Bird and

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Speaker 2: McHale and Parrish and DJ and Walton, and they had

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Speaker 2: magic and they worthy in Kareem and Coop and Scott.

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Speaker 2: Then it feels like, Okay, I got it. Those are

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Speaker 2: great teams. Yes, yes, ma'am, the Four Pissons.

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Speaker 4: The most famous person might be the head coach. Larry

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Speaker 4: Brown was the head coach, So just like a coronation.

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Speaker 4: Other than that, they had a bunch of haul of

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Speaker 4: very good guys.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, but I do think, you know, it's star power.

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Speaker 2: Just about everything that we attach to greatness is do

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Speaker 2: we know who you are or you're on the cusp

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Speaker 2: of being something great? And I think Sga you know,

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Speaker 2: I said that he was efficiently brilliant. There's no highlight really,

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Speaker 2: he just he's a bucket. He's he's you know, I'm

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Speaker 2: not going to say unstoppable, but he's pretty close to it.

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Speaker 2: He gets what he wants to get when he wants

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Speaker 2: to get it, and that's the mark of a great player.

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Speaker 2: And he came up big when you wanted him to.

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Speaker 2: But I think in ten years from now, we'll look

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Speaker 2: back and it'll be about Tyrese Halibert.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, poet and the Thunder. It goes back to like

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Speaker 10: the San Antonio Spurs. Yeah, they weren't a lot of

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Speaker 10: famous people, not a lot of entertainment value.

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Speaker 1: But if you win like two.

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Speaker 10: And three years or back to back or three and

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Speaker 10: six years, you force America to get to know your names.

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Speaker 10: Even you know, Draymond Green, he became famous not because

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Speaker 10: he's this best player on earth, a very good player,

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Speaker 10: but constantly in the finals and make you hard to ignore.

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Speaker 1: Well when you win.

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Speaker 2: Sometimes when you win more frequently, then we attach greatness

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Speaker 2: to you. If Draymond Green played for Cleveland or Sacramento,

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Speaker 2: nobody would really care. Now you'd be like, oh, that guy,

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Speaker 2: he's a pest. Now he's a really good defender, but

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Speaker 2: you know, he wouldn't have any he wouldn't be a

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Speaker 2: Hall of Famer.

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Speaker 1: But he didn't.

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Speaker 2: He did all the things that that team needed him

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Speaker 2: to do. And by proxy, you're you know, by being

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Speaker 2: a champion multiple times, now you're a hall of famer.

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Speaker 2: That's what helps play for winning teams. You get recognized, yes, marm.

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Speaker 4: So the thunder have to win another championship in order

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Speaker 4: for us to remember them in ten years.

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Speaker 1: Probably.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I think if you go back to back, you get

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Speaker 2: people's attention. Yeah, And look, I know this sounds, oh

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Speaker 2: we just want a title. Why are you guys piling

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Speaker 2: on I'm just giving you my view. Okay, I don't

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Speaker 2: play to the local. It doesn't matter. I picked Indiana

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Speaker 2: to win. But if you know, even if Indiana won,

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Speaker 2: we might be doing the same thing today, just to

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Speaker 2: be fair to the situation I watched. I didn't care

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Speaker 2: what the ratings were. If other shows didn't want to

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Speaker 2: cover this, that's on them. That you have your own show,

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Speaker 2: you have your own interpretation of what you want on

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Speaker 2: your show, and we've you know, picked out you know,

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Speaker 2: we've been sparingly covering other things, but also the NBA finals.

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Speaker 1: Same with this Stanley Cup final.

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Speaker 2: You know, I'm trying to find interesting things in these

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Speaker 2: games or players or an interview. It's no different than

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Speaker 2: any other sport.

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Speaker 4: Yes, Mark, and I think the big difference, going back

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Speaker 4: to the O four Pistons, it's who they beat. They

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Speaker 4: beat a Shaq and Kobe Lakers team. The thunderbeat a

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Speaker 4: team with less star power than they did, you know,

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Speaker 4: so it makes it even less memorable.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, it's fair, it's fair.

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Speaker 2: But congratulations to the Oklahoma City Thunder waiting sorry Thunder.

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, Paul.

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Speaker 10: When we got the halftime last night, I started thinking

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Speaker 10: about if it goes the other way because they have

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Speaker 10: a one point lead to Pacers. If somehow Oklahoma City

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Speaker 10: loses that game and we're talking about the Pacers today,

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Speaker 10: I don't know what level of all time upset that is,

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Speaker 10: but I think it's all time all time.

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Speaker 2: Yes, it's because okac was one of the biggest favorites

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Speaker 2: in the history of the NBA. Make the segue to

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Speaker 2: Chris Manning, Sports Illustrated senior writer. He's at the airport,

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Speaker 2: ok See. He was there covering the game last night. Chris,

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Speaker 2: thanks for joining us. What was your gut feeling prior

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Speaker 2: to tip off last night?

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Speaker 5: The gut feeling, I would say was.

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Speaker 7: A game could have played out one of two ways.

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Speaker 7: There was a sense that Oklahoma City could just boat

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Speaker 7: race Indiana. The Pacers left it all on the floor

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Speaker 7: in Game six. I mean, they expended a lot of energy,

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Speaker 7: and it's really hard to do that two games in

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Speaker 7: a row, especially when that second game is on the

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Speaker 7: road in a building that has a ton of juice

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Speaker 7: to it. The other potential outcome was another miraculous Indiana

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Speaker 7: you know, fourth quarter comeback where they pull out a

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Speaker 7: very narrow victory.

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Speaker 5: So going into that game, there was it. Really that

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Speaker 5: was the sense that there were two outcomes that there

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Speaker 5: could be.

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Speaker 2: Obviously, when Haliburton goes down, you don't know how Indiana's

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Speaker 2: going to react to that. But the sense in the

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Speaker 2: building was, what at that point.

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Speaker 7: I've never experienced anything like that in all my years

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Speaker 7: of covering basketball, where there is so much energy in

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Speaker 7: the building for a game and in the first quarter

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Speaker 7: of a game, and then to have that energy completely

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Speaker 7: taken out of the building, the air taken out of

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Speaker 7: the balloon. You know, it was in that moment everybody

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Speaker 7: in that building realized the significance of what had just happened.

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Speaker 7: You know, from the fans and the coaches, to the players,

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Speaker 7: to the media.

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Speaker 5: You knew right then and there that that something really

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Speaker 5: bad had happened.

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Speaker 7: Based on the reaction of Halliburton, how the Thunder players reacted,

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Speaker 7: how quickly all the Pacers players got on the floor

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Speaker 7: to circle him.

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Speaker 5: It was. It was strange, like just a It was.

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Speaker 7: Pandemonium in one moment, and then it was eerily silent

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Speaker 7: in the next because everybody just knew that that we've

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Speaker 7: just seen something pretty horrible on the floor.

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Speaker 2: Fifteen twenty years from now, we'll look back on this

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Speaker 2: NBA Finals and we will remember what.

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Speaker 7: Oh I think up the top, you proably remember the

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Speaker 7: Halliburton injury. It's like it takes nothing away from Oklahoma

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Speaker 7: City and what it accomplished. I mean, and look, Halliburton,

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Speaker 7: no Halliburton, you know, holding Indiana to forty three points

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Speaker 7: in the second half, winning the third quarter thirty four

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Speaker 7: to twenty, you know, putting their stamp on the game.

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Speaker 5: I mean, that was That's how you win.

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Speaker 7: Like that is that was a statement second half, specifically

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Speaker 7: that that third quarter by Oklahoma City. But it's going

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Speaker 7: to be one of the great what ifs, not just

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Speaker 7: because Halliburton got hurt Dan, but Halliburton was he was

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Speaker 7: cooking in that moment. He was three or five from

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Speaker 7: the floor, three or four from three point range. I mean,

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Speaker 7: he was playing great basketball. I just I think when

840
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Speaker 7: we look back on this and look at that series,

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Speaker 7: you I say, wow, six ultra competitive games. What might

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Speaker 7: have happened in Game seven if Tyree's Haliburt on the floor,

843
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Speaker 7: had the guy that offered this this incredible postseason story,

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Speaker 7: one of the greatest postseason stories we've ever seen, with

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Speaker 7: the that he was making, could he have done it

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Speaker 7: one more time in Game seven of the Finals.

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Speaker 2: The future of OKAC we like to look at, hey,

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Speaker 2: is this the embryonic stages of a dynasty? Although there's

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Speaker 2: a whole lot of competition out west, So what's the

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Speaker 2: future immediate future with OKC.

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Speaker 5: I mean, I'm like.

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Speaker 7: A year removed from writing about the Celtics dynasty that

853
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Speaker 7: was about to start, So god knows what could happen.

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Speaker 7: You know, really we're just like one year ago today

855
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Speaker 7: we were talking about the age of Brown and Tatum,

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Speaker 7: and you know, Die Holliday is still in his prime.

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Speaker 7: For zingis Derek White, Like who is going to beat

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Speaker 7: these guys?

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Speaker 5: Like? And now the Celtics.

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Speaker 7: Are looking at you know, at least a one year

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Speaker 7: gap year and maybe longer. I do think, though, Dan,

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Speaker 7: Oklahoma City is uniquely equipped to have some longevity for

863
00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:57,239
Speaker 7: two reasons. One, there's gonna be organic growth there. Like

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Speaker 7: you look at this team, like most of the guys

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Speaker 7: are only seven to under, and guys like Chet Holmgren,

866
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Speaker 7: Jalen Williams, Aaron Wiggins off the bench, They've got another

867
00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:10,080
Speaker 7: level they can go to just through organic growth. I

868
00:46:10,080 --> 00:46:13,080
Speaker 7: mean I was talking to someone close to Chet last night,

869
00:46:13,120 --> 00:46:14,200
Speaker 7: and they were like, he's gonna be in the weight

870
00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:17,400
Speaker 7: room all summer, Like he's gonna get stronger this summer.

871
00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:19,239
Speaker 7: He's going to come back a better player. So I

872
00:46:19,239 --> 00:46:24,000
Speaker 7: think there's there's room organically for them to grow. And Look,

873
00:46:24,280 --> 00:46:26,960
Speaker 7: one of the things that's prevented some of these recent

874
00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:31,560
Speaker 7: champions from becoming the quote dynasties has been that they

875
00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:35,440
Speaker 7: haven't had the replacement players when some of their their

876
00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:38,680
Speaker 7: veterans have priced out under these new cap rules. They

877
00:46:38,680 --> 00:46:41,080
Speaker 7: haven't had guys right a step in. It's what'stop Milwaukee

878
00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:44,759
Speaker 7: from getting there again. Denver. We know that as they've

879
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:49,200
Speaker 7: lost talent, other guys have not stepped up. Oklahoma City

880
00:46:49,239 --> 00:46:50,920
Speaker 7: is different though, like Oko Cite. I mean, they have

881
00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:54,040
Speaker 7: a kid named Nicole It Topitch who was their lottery

882
00:46:54,080 --> 00:46:56,080
Speaker 7: pick last year, a guy that would have been inside

883
00:46:56,080 --> 00:46:58,560
Speaker 7: the top ten had he been healthy. He was out

884
00:46:58,600 --> 00:47:00,400
Speaker 7: all year with a knee injury. When I talk to

885
00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:02,920
Speaker 7: people in Oklahoma City about him, like he's going to

886
00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:04,680
Speaker 7: be in the rotation next year, Like he's a six

887
00:47:04,760 --> 00:47:07,600
Speaker 7: to six point guard that you know has one of

888
00:47:07,640 --> 00:47:11,759
Speaker 7: those dynamic European games. They've got something like seven first

889
00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:14,880
Speaker 7: round draft picks in the next four drafts. The point

890
00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:19,040
Speaker 7: is they're not going to they could, They're more less

891
00:47:19,160 --> 00:47:22,440
Speaker 7: likely to fall into that situation where when they lose

892
00:47:22,719 --> 00:47:25,920
Speaker 7: pricey veterans like a lou Dort for example, they're not

893
00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:27,680
Speaker 7: going to be able to replace them with guys that

894
00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:30,240
Speaker 7: are close to that level. That's why I think this team,

895
00:47:30,680 --> 00:47:32,840
Speaker 7: as much as any team over the last six or

896
00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:36,279
Speaker 7: seven years, has a chance to have some longevity at

897
00:47:36,280 --> 00:47:36,600
Speaker 7: the top.

898
00:47:37,160 --> 00:47:40,319
Speaker 2: Talking to Chris mannis Sports Illustrated senior writer joining us

899
00:47:40,360 --> 00:47:43,280
Speaker 2: from Oklahoma City. Of course, the other big news Kevin

900
00:47:43,320 --> 00:47:48,719
Speaker 2: Durant being traded to Houston. Now, what does Houston impose

901
00:47:48,840 --> 00:47:51,080
Speaker 2: on the rest of the NBA after this? You know,

902
00:47:51,120 --> 00:47:53,239
Speaker 2: how do they look or how do they feel after

903
00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:53,719
Speaker 2: this move.

904
00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:56,840
Speaker 7: I think it's a great deal, and I think it

905
00:47:56,880 --> 00:47:59,040
Speaker 7: was always the deal that was going to happen. I

906
00:47:59,080 --> 00:48:02,600
Speaker 7: was reporting back in February that there was mutual interest

907
00:48:02,600 --> 00:48:07,240
Speaker 7: at the time between Durant and certainly people within the Rockets,

908
00:48:07,239 --> 00:48:11,200
Speaker 7: specifically Ema Udoka. But the Rockets were determined back then

909
00:48:11,320 --> 00:48:13,719
Speaker 7: to see what that young team had to see if

910
00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:18,040
Speaker 7: Jalen Green could step up and become a you know,

911
00:48:18,360 --> 00:48:20,040
Speaker 7: a guy that could you could be trusted with the

912
00:48:20,080 --> 00:48:22,200
Speaker 7: ball in a playoff and had the scenario.

913
00:48:22,239 --> 00:48:23,640
Speaker 5: They wanted to see what that team had.

914
00:48:23,719 --> 00:48:27,280
Speaker 7: They figured out it was lacking a player like Kevin Durant,

915
00:48:27,840 --> 00:48:29,520
Speaker 7: and they went out and got him. They didn't have

916
00:48:29,520 --> 00:48:31,400
Speaker 7: to give up a lot. I mean, look, they were

917
00:48:31,560 --> 00:48:34,200
Speaker 7: looking the part with Jalen Green anyway. You know, he

918
00:48:34,320 --> 00:48:36,320
Speaker 7: was no longer really a prospect to them. He was

919
00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:39,640
Speaker 7: kind of just a bad contract to them. Give the

920
00:48:39,680 --> 00:48:43,239
Speaker 7: tenth overall pick in the draft, that's whatever. You know,

921
00:48:43,480 --> 00:48:45,920
Speaker 7: draft of the five second round picks is really just

922
00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:49,560
Speaker 7: window dressing. That's not something that's all that consequential. And

923
00:48:49,680 --> 00:48:52,759
Speaker 7: you get a guy that, even at thirty seven years old,

924
00:48:52,800 --> 00:48:55,280
Speaker 7: is still one of the best scores in the NBA.

925
00:48:55,400 --> 00:48:57,600
Speaker 5: And you look at that team in the Golden State Series, Dan,

926
00:48:57,640 --> 00:48:58,480
Speaker 5: what were they missing?

927
00:48:58,640 --> 00:48:59,920
Speaker 7: You know, a guy that could get them a buck

928
00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:03,320
Speaker 7: it in the fourth quarter. It can't always be Alprin Sangoon.

929
00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:05,960
Speaker 7: You know, with the ball in his hands down the stretch,

930
00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:08,479
Speaker 7: Kevin Durant's gonna help them a lot. To the point

931
00:49:08,480 --> 00:49:11,399
Speaker 7: where like if I'm making up power rankings of kind

932
00:49:11,400 --> 00:49:15,160
Speaker 7: of who is Oklahoma City's biggest threat next year? Houston

933
00:49:15,200 --> 00:49:16,799
Speaker 7: is right there at the top one or one A

934
00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:20,240
Speaker 7: with maybe a team like Denver as the biggest threats

935
00:49:20,280 --> 00:49:22,960
Speaker 7: to in the Western Conference to the Thunder.

936
00:49:23,480 --> 00:49:28,160
Speaker 1: What's the future of the Phoenix Suns, I.

937
00:49:28,160 --> 00:49:31,680
Speaker 7: Mean, just making bad decisions over and over again and

938
00:49:32,760 --> 00:49:35,160
Speaker 7: not stoping. What does that roster even look like right now?

939
00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:37,720
Speaker 7: Like you've got Jalen Green, Bradley Beal and Devin Booker.

940
00:49:37,760 --> 00:49:40,759
Speaker 7: How does that work? Like who's sharing the ball in

941
00:49:41,160 --> 00:49:45,120
Speaker 7: that particular situation? Like I'd like to give Phoenix the

942
00:49:45,120 --> 00:49:46,799
Speaker 7: benefit of the doubt and think that maybe they have

943
00:49:46,800 --> 00:49:49,080
Speaker 7: another move left in me and people around the league

944
00:49:49,080 --> 00:49:51,400
Speaker 7: have been talking to me about that that, Like there's

945
00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:54,960
Speaker 7: no way right you can have that you know, backcourt

946
00:49:55,360 --> 00:49:59,120
Speaker 7: or three person rotation going to that season. But Bradley

947
00:49:59,120 --> 00:50:03,000
Speaker 7: Beal is untradeable. There's no real market for Jalen Green.

948
00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:04,520
Speaker 7: They said they're not going to trade Devin Booker, So

949
00:50:04,680 --> 00:50:06,440
Speaker 7: I don't know what they're I don't really know what

950
00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:07,040
Speaker 7: they're trying to do.

951
00:50:07,120 --> 00:50:08,719
Speaker 5: Like the big the big win for the Rockets and

952
00:50:08,760 --> 00:50:11,040
Speaker 5: all this Dan is that they didn't have to give.

953
00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:12,960
Speaker 7: Up any of the Sun's draft capital that they own

954
00:50:13,160 --> 00:50:13,920
Speaker 7: so that.

955
00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:15,960
Speaker 5: They can you know, continue on.

956
00:50:15,920 --> 00:50:19,279
Speaker 7: Their path to trying to you know, win with the

957
00:50:19,280 --> 00:50:23,440
Speaker 7: group that they have while simultaneously rooting for you know,

958
00:50:23,719 --> 00:50:25,279
Speaker 7: the self destruction.

959
00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:25,959
Speaker 5: Of the Phoenix Sun.

960
00:50:26,600 --> 00:50:30,600
Speaker 7: So in twenty twenty seven, twenty twenty nine, they can

961
00:50:30,680 --> 00:50:33,600
Speaker 7: have those draft picks and continue to flesh out their roster.

962
00:50:33,760 --> 00:50:35,359
Speaker 7: I just thought, I just thought it was a big

963
00:50:35,360 --> 00:50:38,239
Speaker 7: win for the Rockets and Phoenix. You know, they were

964
00:50:38,280 --> 00:50:41,239
Speaker 7: out there, you know, trying to recoup close to what

965
00:50:41,280 --> 00:50:44,360
Speaker 7: they got from you know, for what they traded for

966
00:50:44,440 --> 00:50:46,759
Speaker 7: Durant back a few years ago when laughed out of

967
00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:49,160
Speaker 7: the room. You know, you know, San Antonio didn't really

968
00:50:49,160 --> 00:50:53,120
Speaker 7: have any interest. They're going big game hunting, you know, whenever, if, if,

969
00:50:53,120 --> 00:50:56,600
Speaker 7: and when Giannis becomes available. Miami couldn't wasn't going to

970
00:50:56,640 --> 00:50:58,880
Speaker 7: give up any of its young pieces. I mean we

971
00:50:58,960 --> 00:51:03,040
Speaker 7: got to the point, Dan where like Toronto wasn't gonna

972
00:51:03,080 --> 00:51:06,120
Speaker 7: part with Yaka Peartle, Like this is where we are.

973
00:51:06,239 --> 00:51:08,759
Speaker 7: Yaka Peartle, who was like the throw in in the

974
00:51:08,840 --> 00:51:11,920
Speaker 7: Kawhi Leonard deal years ago, was a guy that Toronto

975
00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:14,239
Speaker 7: was not going to give up for Kevin Durant. I mean,

976
00:51:14,239 --> 00:51:16,480
Speaker 7: Phoenix tried, I'll get him credit for that, But you know,

977
00:51:16,560 --> 00:51:18,520
Speaker 7: this was always how I was gonna hand and I

978
00:51:18,560 --> 00:51:19,080
Speaker 7: don't think this.

979
00:51:19,080 --> 00:51:20,440
Speaker 1: Makes them remotely better.

980
00:51:21,040 --> 00:51:25,120
Speaker 2: The deeper we get into the summer, the odds for

981
00:51:25,200 --> 00:51:26,560
Speaker 2: Giannis to be traded or what.

982
00:51:28,200 --> 00:51:31,680
Speaker 7: So my understanding with Giannis is that he's gonna sit

983
00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:36,080
Speaker 7: back and see where the ships fall. In all this,

984
00:51:37,480 --> 00:51:40,920
Speaker 7: it is notable to me that the San Antonio Spurs

985
00:51:40,960 --> 00:51:43,439
Speaker 7: hired Sean Sweeney to be their associate head coach.

986
00:51:43,840 --> 00:51:45,840
Speaker 5: Sean was very close with Yanni's in Milwaukee.

987
00:51:45,960 --> 00:51:49,360
Speaker 7: Who's don Jason Kidds top assistance was over in Europe

988
00:51:49,400 --> 00:51:54,200
Speaker 7: all the time working with Giannis. He's a credible coach alone,

989
00:51:54,600 --> 00:51:58,040
Speaker 7: he's worthy of a coaching bump in San Antonio. But

990
00:51:58,040 --> 00:52:01,319
Speaker 7: I did think it's notable they bring someone like that in.

991
00:52:02,680 --> 00:52:05,040
Speaker 7: But I think Jannis is going to see what Milwaukee's

992
00:52:05,080 --> 00:52:07,960
Speaker 7: able to do over the next week. The Bucks are trying,

993
00:52:08,120 --> 00:52:11,080
Speaker 7: like they're making every effort, but they don't have a

994
00:52:11,120 --> 00:52:13,200
Speaker 7: lot of draft capital to work with. They don't have

995
00:52:13,239 --> 00:52:16,360
Speaker 7: a ton of movable contracts. They've got a conundrum with

996
00:52:16,480 --> 00:52:19,440
Speaker 7: Brook Lopez, who's you know, he's a free agent, and

997
00:52:19,480 --> 00:52:22,040
Speaker 7: it's going to be expensive for them to bring back

998
00:52:22,080 --> 00:52:24,399
Speaker 7: I just think Jannis wants to get to I read

999
00:52:24,440 --> 00:52:27,080
Speaker 7: on Jeanie will get to mid to late July, early

1000
00:52:27,120 --> 00:52:30,000
Speaker 7: August and then see what's out there for him. If

1001
00:52:30,200 --> 00:52:32,960
Speaker 7: if the Bucks have done something that might make him

1002
00:52:32,960 --> 00:52:36,480
Speaker 7: believe that they can compete next year, I think he'll

1003
00:52:36,719 --> 00:52:39,480
Speaker 7: He's more inclined to stay. But if he's looking at

1004
00:52:39,480 --> 00:52:41,560
Speaker 7: a team that is going to be fighting for a

1005
00:52:41,560 --> 00:52:43,560
Speaker 7: birth and the play in, That's why I think things

1006
00:52:43,560 --> 00:52:44,320
Speaker 7: would get interesting.

1007
00:52:45,080 --> 00:52:47,439
Speaker 2: Great to talk to you again, Save travels, Chris. Thanks

1008
00:52:47,440 --> 00:52:48,759
Speaker 2: for joining us, and.

1009
00:52:48,680 --> 00:52:49,760
Speaker 1: You never called me anymore.

1010
00:52:49,800 --> 00:52:52,919
Speaker 5: Dan, I'll become a rich Eisen guy. These days. Rich

1011
00:52:52,960 --> 00:52:56,440
Speaker 5: Eisen calls me and Patrick does not call me.

1012
00:52:56,640 --> 00:53:00,120
Speaker 2: Okay, you should have said to Rich Eisen, I'm and

1013
00:53:00,239 --> 00:53:05,359
Speaker 2: Patrick's guy, and then we'd probably have a relationship. So

1014
00:53:05,520 --> 00:53:08,360
Speaker 2: I'm going to blame you because you are flirting with

1015
00:53:08,480 --> 00:53:11,040
Speaker 2: everybody instead of being loyal to me.

1016
00:53:13,239 --> 00:53:15,480
Speaker 7: I am a very disloyal guy that I found that

1017
00:53:15,560 --> 00:53:16,600
Speaker 7: in my life and I'll walk.

1018
00:53:17,120 --> 00:53:18,480
Speaker 5: But I'm back, baby, I'm back.

1019
00:53:20,840 --> 00:53:21,520
Speaker 1: Thank you, Chris.

1020
00:53:22,080 --> 00:53:22,680
Speaker 5: You got it death.

1021
00:53:23,280 --> 00:53:27,080
Speaker 2: Chris mannings, former friend of the show, senior writer with

1022
00:53:27,320 --> 00:53:30,040
Speaker 2: Sports Illustrated, Well, take a break. More of your phone

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