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Speaker 1: update our democracy. Specifically, this is the Congressman Johnny Olachsky

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Speaker 1: known his political friends as Johnny Oh no relation to

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Speaker 1: know they've created a menacing agency. Like that's what's so

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Speaker 1: surreal about this decision. They're accepting the premise that the

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Speaker 1: Democratic Party's description of Ice is what the public thinks

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Speaker 1: and is what it is, and that they can somehow

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Speaker 1: leverage that for their gain. Oh they fear ice? Way

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Speaker 1: do we put ice at the airports? You're just like,

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Speaker 1: I mean, it really is. I know I keep reusing

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Speaker 1: this old movie metaphor, but in Blazing Saddles, when the

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Speaker 1: sheriff pulls the gun on himself he says, don't want

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Speaker 1: anybody come near, I might shoot. I mean, it reminds

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Speaker 1: me of a version of that is. It is a strange.

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Speaker 1: It was I think a strange tactic, and I don't

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Speaker 1: think it does the Republicans any good, and certainly it

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Speaker 1: does help ICE's image at all. But the bigger thing

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Speaker 1: is the Democrats have accomplished a lot with this shutdown.

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Speaker 1: When this shutdown began, Christy Nome was that the was

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Speaker 1: the Secretary of Homeland Security. She is no longer. There's

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Speaker 1: already been a confirmed new secretary, and Mark Wayne Mullen

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Speaker 1: has essentially agreed that there should be body cameras. He

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Speaker 1: seems to be open to getting rid of the masks,

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Speaker 1: you know, beyond essentially unless you're at the border, which

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Speaker 1: I think was a fair proposal, right, you know, if

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Speaker 1: you're dealing with the cartels, they don't want to show

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Speaker 1: their face because those cartels do try to assassinate people.

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Speaker 1: But outside of that, they have to abide by the

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Speaker 1: exact same laws that all law enforcement agents have to

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Speaker 1: abide by in this country. Hard stop. So the body camera.

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Speaker 1: The point is is that it did. It does seem

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Speaker 1: as if the Democrats have gotten a lot out of

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Speaker 1: this shutdown the long if they you know it, and look,

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Speaker 1: I get that they're not going to get everything they

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Speaker 1: want at ICE, and there's some things they can mean.

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Speaker 1: The part the problem the Democrats have is they don't

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Speaker 1: have that much leverage over the ICE funding, right because

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Speaker 1: it was done as part of the big beautiful Bill.

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Speaker 1: That stuff was already leveraged in at best, and I

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Speaker 1: understand why they're hesitant to take the deal that's on

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Speaker 1: the table because they want to codify these changes to

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Speaker 1: ICE protocols without just taking word for it and things

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Speaker 1: like that. So I understand the hesitance. But the big

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Speaker 1: picture here, all of the coverage on this now in

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Speaker 1: whatever's left of legacy media is just focused on the

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Speaker 1: harm it's doing the TSA agents and the burden it's

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Speaker 1: putting on travelers. This is no longer about ICE. So

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Speaker 1: the point is when you get to a situation when

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Speaker 1: you sort of you're you're playing a little politics here

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Speaker 1: with the government, You're playing politics with the budget. There's

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Speaker 1: that fine line, and you know, there's some Look, ultimately,

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Speaker 1: I think it's ridiculous that a political dispute somehow disrupts

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Speaker 1: all travel, right Like, we've we've got to figure out

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Speaker 1: how to insulate uh travel, insulate the public from this nonsense.

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Speaker 1: You know, this is I am. I am more than

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Speaker 1: convinced that a sort of quasi privatization of TSA. What

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Speaker 1: do I mean by quasi That essentially TSA works for

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Speaker 1: these airport authorities period The airport authorities get reimbursed for

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Speaker 1: the security from the government, but essentially they're making payroll,

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Speaker 1: They're they're keeping consistent. There is no skipping paychecks because

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Speaker 1: a couple of members of Congress want to want to

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Speaker 1: stand on ceremony for a variety of reasons. And you're

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Speaker 1: minimizing the impact on the public. And I know some

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Speaker 1: of you may arguement, no, forcing the public to get

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Speaker 1: irritated and to focus their ire is part of the problem.

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Speaker 1: I hear you on that, but I don't think at

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Speaker 1: this point the iyre is going to be a focused

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Speaker 1: ire right. And the Democrats probably ought to take this

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Speaker 1: deal before the weekend ends, and I anticipate that a

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Speaker 1: deal is going to get done before the next time

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Speaker 1: you hear me on this. I kind of think they

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Speaker 1: have to. What's interesting here is is is what is

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Speaker 1: how I think one of the reasons why Democrats have

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Speaker 1: yet to take the deal is they don't really have

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Speaker 1: a leader at the moment. Chuck Schumer has never seemed

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Speaker 1: more unsteady on his feet than he does at the moment.

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Speaker 1: He does absolutely, you know, at all. And I don't

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Speaker 1: know how much of it is connected, but I think

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Speaker 1: a lot of this is connected to a fascinating Wall

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Speaker 1: Street Journal piece from last week that got went into

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Speaker 1: the weeds on the effort to push Chuck Schumer aside

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Speaker 1: from leadership, and I encourage you, I encourage you to

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Speaker 1: read the story in full in the Wall Street Journal

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Speaker 1: because it it. What was amazing about it is how

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Speaker 1: kind of open everybody is about the various factions now

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Speaker 1: in the Senate Democratic Conference and the sort of the

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Speaker 1: reality check right oh the peace in the Wall Street

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Speaker 1: Journal opens with an anecdote of Chris Murphy, Democratic Senator

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Speaker 1: from Connecticut at a dinner with a bunch of progressive

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Speaker 1: activists who's you know, they're having this dinner and they're

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Speaker 1: saying okay, and they're basically pushing Murphy, and Murphy is

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Speaker 1: somebody who may run for president more on the progressive

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Speaker 1: side of things, and they're pushing Murphy. We got to

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Speaker 1: deal with the elephant in the room. What about you know,

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Speaker 1: we got to got to get rid of Chuck Schumer

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Speaker 1: and what surprised apparently folks at that dinner and of

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Speaker 1: course what leaked out. And then Murphy basically owned up

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Speaker 1: to the common without being overly critical as Schumer the person.

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Speaker 1: For what it's worth. What he said was, well, look,

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Speaker 1: a bunch of us have essentially done some vote counting

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Speaker 1: and the votes aren't there to get rid of Schumer,

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Speaker 1: which doesn't surprise me, and you're certainly not going to

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Speaker 1: see this in an election year. But what you're starting

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Speaker 1: to see is the fact that this is being talked

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Speaker 1: about openly, like there's a pressure campaign to get him

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Speaker 1: not to run for leader after November, to simply accept

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Speaker 1: the premise that this is his last year as leader.

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Speaker 1: They seem to be hoping against hope that he will

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Speaker 1: decide not to seek real announce that he's not going

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Speaker 1: to seek reelection in twenty eight and that he will

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Speaker 1: not stand in essentially just like Mitch McConnell did, right,

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Speaker 1: Mitch McConnell decided not to seek reelection in twenty twenty six,

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Speaker 1: but chose to step aside as leader at the end

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Speaker 1: of twenty twenty four, allowing new leadership to take over

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Speaker 1: and he would essentially be there as the as a

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Speaker 1: as a as a godfather at emeritis of sorts. Allow

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Speaker 1: what Nancy Pelosi, although she apparently you know, she's been

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Speaker 1: there a few cycles, but essentially similar to how Pelosi

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Speaker 1: handed over the reins to Jeffreys. On that front, we've

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Speaker 1: had smoother transitions there than we did, of course, with

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Speaker 1: what the House Republicans have done. What look, I think

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Speaker 1: what makes this story amazing, Number one is how public

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Speaker 1: everything is. And when this leaked out, Murphy certainly seemed

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Speaker 1: to admit that they've done some nose counts right, and

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Speaker 1: he's on the side. You've got Elizabeth Warren. What this

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Speaker 1: piece did was clarified who's behind the it's time for

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Speaker 1: Schumer to go. So it appears to be Chris Murphy,

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Speaker 1: appears to be Elizabeth Warren, appears to be retiring Senator

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Speaker 1: Tina Smith from Minnesota. That mildly surprised me that she

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Speaker 1: was a part of this. Then you have folks that

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Speaker 1: are sort of in the category of they don't want

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Speaker 1: to tick Schumer off, but they want to be there

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Speaker 1: ready to replace him. Right, Brian Shatz is in that column,

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Speaker 1: And in fact, it looks like Shatz has played his

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Speaker 1: cards so well that according to this piece, Schumer or

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Speaker 1: Schumer's allies are, you know, if they have a say

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Speaker 1: and who replaces him, they'd like to see Shatz. That

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Speaker 1: might be a kiss of death. But Shatz went out

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Speaker 1: on a limb and went ahead and defended Schumer. And

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Speaker 1: he said Chuck's got broad and deep support, even as

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Speaker 1: detractors would have to admit that we have an extraordinary

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Speaker 1: class of candidates for the Senate and that wouldn't have

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Speaker 1: happened without him. He's referring to Roy Cooper, He's referring

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Speaker 1: to Janet Mills, but one could argue that in three

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Speaker 1: of the most important and Mary Patola in Alaska. And

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Speaker 1: the question is does he get credit for Tallo Rico?

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Speaker 1: I think he does. He seemed to be on the

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Speaker 1: side of those consultant worlds that was trying to get

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Speaker 1: tall Rico in there. But they're these huge primaries. There's

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Speaker 1: basically one faction in the Senate wanting to see the

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Speaker 1: grand Platiners of the world win, wanting to see a

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Speaker 1: gentleman by the name of Zach Walls win in Iowa

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Speaker 1: instead of Schumer's pick of Josh Turek. And of course

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Speaker 1: you have the Michigan primary that is a three way

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Speaker 1: race between sort of strong establishment, one that straddles progressive

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Speaker 1: in establishment, and one that is super progressive. And you

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Speaker 1: do have a group of Senators that are basically running

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Speaker 1: against Schumer's candidates and endorsing whoever Schumer's not for they

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Speaker 1: seem to be endorsing and vice versa on that front.

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Speaker 1: But the fact that this went public and apparently one

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Speaker 1: of the beefs and I got to share with you

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Speaker 1: this one anecdote because the story itself and the way

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Speaker 1: Schumer responds to the story Wall Street Journal piece, I

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Speaker 1: think is a tell that he is both slightly out

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Speaker 1: of touch, a bit stubborn about this and is probably

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Speaker 1: going to fight and is not going to roll over here.

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Speaker 1: But we shall see. Oh one other this was really telling.

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Speaker 1: According to the Wall Street Journal story about Truman, Schruman

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Speaker 1: agreed to do an interview with here almost as a

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Speaker 1: way to sort of push back on this narrative that

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Speaker 1: he was two week the lead. The journal points out

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Speaker 1: a number of Democratic senators provided the Wall Street Journal

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Speaker 1: with interviews or statements in support of the leader. They

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Speaker 1: included Shatz, Catherine Cortes, Mastow, Sheldon Whitehouse, Kirsten Jillibrand she's

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Speaker 1: the current DFCC chair, Chris Coons, and Tim Kane. Right,

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Speaker 1: those are sort of everybody's been there essentially more than

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Speaker 1: a term. When you look at these folks, right, these

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Speaker 1: are this is what you would expect that it would

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Speaker 1: be more of the establishment types, more that have always

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Speaker 1: run more center left campaigns. Catherine Cortez, all of these folks.

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Speaker 1: You know, I'm old enough to remember when Kirsten Jillibrand

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Speaker 1: represented an upstate New York seat and wanted a pretty

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Speaker 1: good NRA rating. Chris Coons very middle of the road

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Speaker 1: kind of guy in Delaware, always involved with any bipartisan talks,

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Speaker 1: and Tim Kaine has always straddled that fence as well.

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Speaker 1: So it's notable who would put their name on the record,

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Speaker 1: And it's of course notable who chose not to do that. Right,

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Speaker 1: You didn't see some others because there's quite a few senators.

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Speaker 1: What Tumor's problem is, he is he seems to be

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Speaker 1: at that moment where he's so paranoid of leaks and

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Speaker 1: in fact, they share an anecdote. And I'm going to

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Speaker 1: talk about this anecdote here because it leads into an

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Speaker 1: amazing Trump esque Chuck Schumer moment. So here it is.

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Speaker 1: I'm going straight from the article here. Tensions among Senate

655
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Speaker 1: Democrats over Schumer style reached a tipping point during the

656
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Speaker 1: lengthy government shutdown last fall. In a closed door meeting

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Speaker 1: with top Senate Democrats the day after the party's November

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Speaker 1: election wins. You'll remember, right, we're in the middle of

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Speaker 1: the shutdown. Democrats have a huge November twenty twenty five, right,

660
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:21,040
Speaker 1: doubled digic victories in Virginia, New Jersey just killed it everywhere. Right,

661
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Speaker 1: The mood wasn't celebratory in this closed door meeting with

662
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Speaker 1: top Senate Democrats why. Senators Jeff Merkley and Maggie Hassen

663
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Speaker 1: were arguing over whether the victories gave Democrats new reason

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Speaker 1: to continue the shutdown their leverage for extending healthcare subsidies.

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Speaker 1: They believe the election was a chance to essentially double down.

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Speaker 1: When Senator Gary Peters, who's the retiring senator from Michigan,

667
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Speaker 1: that's the big Michigan primary is the open seat that

668
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Speaker 1: is trying to replace him, he stepped into note that

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Speaker 1: a breakaway group of Democrats had already initiated a quote

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Speaker 1: secret deal with Republicans to end the shutdown. This was

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Speaker 1: according to people in the meeting. Apparently. Elizabeth Warren then replies,

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Speaker 1: who's also in this meeting with Merkley and Hassan? Wait,

673
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Speaker 1: they didn't negotiate anything. And then she apparently turns to Schumer,

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Speaker 1: and Elizabeth Warren says, Chuck, you told me no one

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Speaker 1: was negotiating. Then the leader of this breakaway centrist group

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Speaker 1: of Democrats that did negotiate with the Republicans, Jeanie Shaheen, who,

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Speaker 1: of course she's retiring from the new Ampshore open seat.

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Speaker 1: She responds that they had kept the leader meeting Chuck

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00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:35,000
Speaker 1: Schumer a breast of the developments. Warren, one of the

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Speaker 1: Senate you know, one of the folks on the side

681
00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:39,880
Speaker 1: of fighting much harder here and has been pretty critical

682
00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:43,040
Speaker 1: of Schumer responded, well, that's not what Chuck told me.

683
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:47,200
Speaker 1: And then Murkley admits in an interview with the Journal

684
00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:49,400
Speaker 1: that he was in shock when he heard that this

685
00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:54,520
Speaker 1: group was going to strike a deal. He goes, it

686
00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:56,960
Speaker 1: was all news to him. Now they eventually have a

687
00:41:57,840 --> 00:42:01,720
Speaker 1: all Democratic senator meeting, and Merkley said he thought eventually

688
00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:09,000
Speaker 1: Schumer heard him, but it was clear that Schumer wasn't

689
00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:15,080
Speaker 1: telling everybody what was happening with right and the incident,

690
00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:18,359
Speaker 1: as the Journal points out, was seen as a quote

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Speaker 1: prime example of the leader trying to appease all sides

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Speaker 1: by telling senators what they want to hear. And apparently

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Speaker 1: some current and former Senate staffers are calling it getting shumed,

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Speaker 1: meaning they thought they had one, they thought they knew

695
00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:35,960
Speaker 1: what was happening, and then all of a sudden, out

696
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:39,719
Speaker 1: of nowhere, Schumer's working with some other entity, has a deal.

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Speaker 1: Stories over. Oh my god, I've been shoomed. Right now,

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Speaker 1: here's my favorite part of this article. And again, maybe

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Speaker 1: you have to be me covering Schumer for nearly thirty

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00:42:52,080 --> 00:42:55,239
Speaker 1: years to appreciate this moment. But any of you, and

701
00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:57,000
Speaker 1: I know a bunch of you listening actually used to

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00:42:57,080 --> 00:42:59,080
Speaker 1: work for Schumer, and I think you will. Guys will

703
00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:03,840
Speaker 1: laugh at this due Schumer, you know again he does this.

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00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:07,800
Speaker 1: Interview with the Journal, Schumer said he wasn't familiar with

705
00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:12,160
Speaker 1: the current usage of the term getting shoomed, but then

706
00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:17,000
Speaker 1: Schumer offers up to the journal reporters the following anecdote.

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Speaker 1: He said, actually getting shumed originated in New York and

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00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:25,000
Speaker 1: it used to refer to Schumer's rush to be the

709
00:43:25,239 --> 00:43:27,879
Speaker 1: first to show up at a press conference to tout

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00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:32,480
Speaker 1: a new issue to reporters, says Schumer. To the reporters,

711
00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:35,400
Speaker 1: I would be ahead of everybody else. Someone would be

712
00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:37,719
Speaker 1: thinking of something, but I'd be out there with a

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00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:44,799
Speaker 1: press conference. I understand what Schumer was up to, right,

714
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Speaker 1: But if you want to this is like to me,

715
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:50,759
Speaker 1: this is the moment. This is sometimes you got to

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00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:53,880
Speaker 1: understand subtext when you read these stories. Look the reporters

717
00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:58,880
Speaker 1: are they include this anecdote in here for obvious reasons.

718
00:43:58,920 --> 00:44:04,120
Speaker 1: They're like going, yeah, he is not fully plugged in

719
00:44:04,719 --> 00:44:07,960
Speaker 1: to what people really think of him in the Senate.

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00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:12,880
Speaker 1: He is got there is a loss of trust, and

721
00:44:13,080 --> 00:44:16,319
Speaker 1: he is sort of in his own bubble here, right,

722
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Speaker 1: And there's still a lack of self awareness. Even in

723
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Speaker 1: this piece you offer up an alternative definition of getting

724
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Speaker 1: shumed because he it's very trumpesque, right. Let me tell

725
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Speaker 1: you when it was a positive? Is that what this

726
00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:33,239
Speaker 1: piece is about at the moment, really, Oh, that you're

727
00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:35,680
Speaker 1: really smart about getting out in front of some viral

728
00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:37,759
Speaker 1: issue just as it's going viral, so it looks like

729
00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:40,160
Speaker 1: you're on top of things. These are these famous Sunday

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Speaker 1: press conferences back when Schumer was a back bench House

731
00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:46,400
Speaker 1: member then a back bench senator, and this is the

732
00:44:46,680 --> 00:44:48,520
Speaker 1: you know, this is the part of Schumer when he

733
00:44:48,600 --> 00:44:53,560
Speaker 1: had his fastball. And I think now it's clear he

734
00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:58,080
Speaker 1: is absolutely constantly nervous about you know, he's looking over

735
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Speaker 1: his left shoulder at AOC. He's looking over shoulder apparently

736
00:45:01,520 --> 00:45:04,000
Speaker 1: now at Chris van Holland and Brian Shatz, and you know,

737
00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:07,359
Speaker 1: now he's orchestrated. He's hoping to at least and here'd

738
00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:09,799
Speaker 1: be my message to Senator Schumer and anybody that wants

739
00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:11,440
Speaker 1: to talk to him and just say, look, you've been

740
00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:15,520
Speaker 1: an incredibly successful Democratic leader. He really has. You know,

741
00:45:15,640 --> 00:45:17,799
Speaker 1: he is a he is not a policy guy. He's

742
00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:21,440
Speaker 1: a politics guy. And he you know, starting with two

743
00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:24,160
Speaker 1: thousand and six, frankly, starting with his own politics. I mean,

744
00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:27,359
Speaker 1: he out maneuvered and outsmarted everybody in his ninety eight

745
00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:30,680
Speaker 1: Senate race. You know, he won that race by basically

746
00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:33,160
Speaker 1: being the only guy to campaign in Buffalo before anybody

747
00:45:33,160 --> 00:45:35,319
Speaker 1: else was doing it, and then worked his way down.

748
00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:38,960
Speaker 1: It was brilliant strategy. Sort of was the first to

749
00:45:39,040 --> 00:45:41,759
Speaker 1: come up with the ten second ad before ten second

750
00:45:41,800 --> 00:45:44,759
Speaker 1: ads were harder to make happen. But he stretched his money.

751
00:45:44,760 --> 00:45:49,200
Speaker 1: I mean, look, it is it is. It is like

752
00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:52,279
Speaker 1: watching Willie May's play with the Mets. You're like, I

753
00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:54,719
Speaker 1: don't want to see him field fly balls, right, you don't.

754
00:45:55,320 --> 00:45:57,480
Speaker 1: You don't want to see it, right, you don't want

755
00:45:57,520 --> 00:46:01,560
Speaker 1: to see Mickey Mantle strike out. And I think that

756
00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:06,520
Speaker 1: Schumor is at this moment where he's just look, part

757
00:46:06,560 --> 00:46:08,400
Speaker 1: of it is there's nothing he can do about it.

758
00:46:08,520 --> 00:46:10,840
Speaker 1: He is sort of the last them standing from the

759
00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:14,840
Speaker 1: previous era, right, so he is the stand in for

760
00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:18,040
Speaker 1: biden frustrations about Biden. He's the stand in for Clinton.

761
00:46:18,120 --> 00:46:21,000
Speaker 1: Frustrations about Clinton, Right, he's just the stand in for

762
00:46:21,120 --> 00:46:24,120
Speaker 1: the establishment because he's the most familiar face left. So

763
00:46:24,280 --> 00:46:27,160
Speaker 1: some of this is not about him and his decision making.

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Speaker 1: Some of this is just simply it's about that wing

765
00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:32,839
Speaker 1: of the party, right, the sort of what you want

766
00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:37,040
Speaker 1: to call it, the pragmatic wing. But if he cares

767
00:46:37,120 --> 00:46:40,480
Speaker 1: about trying, and look, he has a theory of the case, right,

768
00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:42,000
Speaker 1: he has a theory of the case. And the type

769
00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:44,920
Speaker 1: of candidates he nominates, he's you know, and who he's

770
00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:47,400
Speaker 1: encouraging to run. Right, he wants a Josh Turreck to

771
00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:50,439
Speaker 1: be the nominee in Iowa rather than is Zach Wall.

772
00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:54,320
Speaker 1: Zach Walls is a bit more progressive. I think you

773
00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:56,600
Speaker 1: can make the case. It is interesting the NRSC and

774
00:46:56,680 --> 00:47:01,600
Speaker 1: Republicans want the progressive to win too. They're all excited

775
00:47:01,600 --> 00:47:05,600
Speaker 1: about that. And you know, Schumer's touting another candidate. Now,

776
00:47:05,680 --> 00:47:08,360
Speaker 1: progressive activists get frustrated that he wants to put his

777
00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:10,840
Speaker 1: thumb on the scale in the primary. Well guess what,

778
00:47:11,080 --> 00:47:12,680
Speaker 1: so does Bernie Sanders want to put his thumb on

779
00:47:12,719 --> 00:47:15,440
Speaker 1: the scale in the primary. So you know, you know,

780
00:47:15,680 --> 00:47:19,839
Speaker 1: people that get upset that somebody's playing favorites are really

781
00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:24,400
Speaker 1: upset that they're not the ones being favored, if that

782
00:47:24,520 --> 00:47:27,800
Speaker 1: makes sense. Meaning most people complain that they're not getting

783
00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:30,880
Speaker 1: the extra help or the extra attention, they're actually not

784
00:47:31,080 --> 00:47:36,320
Speaker 1: arguing for fairness. But let's set that aside. If Schumer

785
00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:39,200
Speaker 1: cares about that wing of the party, he cannot be

786
00:47:39,320 --> 00:47:44,080
Speaker 1: seen as essentially fighting the progressives and then losing the

787
00:47:44,239 --> 00:47:46,440
Speaker 1: best way for him to beat the Progressives is to

788
00:47:46,560 --> 00:47:51,160
Speaker 1: stand down and hand and then he has more say

789
00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:55,000
Speaker 1: and who replaces him and he might be able to preserve.

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00:47:55,640 --> 00:47:58,600
Speaker 1: You know, it's sort of like McConnell, you know, had

791
00:47:58,719 --> 00:48:01,600
Speaker 1: he pushed the envelope more than he risked losing to

792
00:48:01,680 --> 00:48:03,920
Speaker 1: a Rick Scott and then suddenly that wing of the

793
00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:08,120
Speaker 1: party is running the Senate Republican Conference instead he put

794
00:48:08,200 --> 00:48:10,279
Speaker 1: himself in it. He got out just in time where

795
00:48:10,320 --> 00:48:13,800
Speaker 1: he knew essentially he can hand the reins over to Jonathan.

796
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Speaker 1: And that's the situation Schumer's in right now. He's got

797
00:48:17,120 --> 00:48:18,319
Speaker 1: to make and this is not going to be easy

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00:48:18,360 --> 00:48:22,279
Speaker 1: for him. Schumer has had success charting his own path,

799
00:48:24,160 --> 00:48:26,359
Speaker 1: and he has kind of at times bulldozed his way

800
00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:33,480
Speaker 1: and he has overcome skepticism, whether it's from mainstream media, Washington,

801
00:48:34,160 --> 00:48:39,400
Speaker 1: the Midwest, you name it. You know, you talk to

802
00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:41,640
Speaker 1: a Claire mccaskell or John Tester and they will tell

803
00:48:41,640 --> 00:48:45,759
Speaker 1: you Schumer always understood their electorates almost as well as

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00:48:45,800 --> 00:48:48,279
Speaker 1: they did. I mean, he in this stuff. You know,

805
00:48:49,640 --> 00:48:51,440
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to use this as a way to

806
00:48:51,560 --> 00:48:55,000
Speaker 1: beat up on Schumer, but it is pretty clear it

807
00:48:55,160 --> 00:48:57,800
Speaker 1: is he has passed. It is it is time to

808
00:48:57,960 --> 00:49:02,960
Speaker 1: move on. And if he wants more say in how

809
00:49:03,080 --> 00:49:05,480
Speaker 1: this works and if he wants to control this process,

810
00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:09,920
Speaker 1: he probably only has a couple more months before he

811
00:49:10,120 --> 00:49:14,680
Speaker 1: sort of loses that ability to do it. And I

812
00:49:14,760 --> 00:49:19,160
Speaker 1: think I think every you could sort of see, you know, obviously,

813
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Speaker 1: I mean, it would be a fool's air. And if

814
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Speaker 1: somebody tried to overthrow Schumer, now there's really not a

815
00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:27,360
Speaker 1: mechanism the way the Senate works and it and it

816
00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:31,040
Speaker 1: would blow up in their face. But it is clear

817
00:49:31,320 --> 00:49:34,320
Speaker 1: that you have a chunk of senators worry that Schumer's

818
00:49:34,360 --> 00:49:36,120
Speaker 1: waiting to see that if they get the majority, he's

819
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Speaker 1: going to want it. And that's where this you know,

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Speaker 1: you don't want to begin the last thing you want

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Speaker 1: to do if you're the Democrats, is right now there

822
00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:50,239
Speaker 1: is a bunch of infighting. Well in some ways, let

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00:49:50,320 --> 00:49:55,600
Speaker 1: the infighting happen now, because if you're infighting after the elections,

824
00:49:55,640 --> 00:49:59,520
Speaker 1: after you succeed, then it looks worse. Take Abigail Spamberger

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Speaker 1: right is starting in I think this has been a

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Speaker 1: nightmare way for her to start. She tried, she's there's

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Speaker 1: an interview on the Washington Post this week. You know

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Speaker 1: she ran as a bit you know, said basically like, look,

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Speaker 1: she's a Democrat, but she went a partisan right. That

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Speaker 1: was the vibe she gave off that she was a pragmatist.

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Speaker 1: And yet what does she have to do. She starts

832
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Speaker 1: her lubernatorial term and she only gets one having to

833
00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:32,040
Speaker 1: make the most political fight any governor would have to do,

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Speaker 1: which is this which is pushed for this ridiculous redistricting amendment.

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Speaker 1: And I say it's ridiculous because it runs counter to

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Speaker 1: everything Abigail Spamburger stands for. Right, the original concept was

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Speaker 1: fairness and maps to take politics out of things. That

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Speaker 1: is that. That is the Abigail span Burger platform, if

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Speaker 1: you will, that she ran on. It's been sort of

840
00:51:00,280 --> 00:51:02,880
Speaker 1: her political identity from the very beginning once she ran

841
00:51:02,960 --> 00:51:06,680
Speaker 1: for Congress, and she's having to make the case, just

842
00:51:06,760 --> 00:51:11,839
Speaker 1: like watching Barack Obama use his political capital to sell

843
00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:13,680
Speaker 1: what they're doing, that this is a way to make

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00:51:13,719 --> 00:51:16,759
Speaker 1: it more fair compared to Texas, leaving out the part

845
00:51:16,840 --> 00:51:20,120
Speaker 1: that it makes it incredibly unfair essentially to all voters

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Speaker 1: in Virginia. Right, there is no good argument you can

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00:51:23,880 --> 00:51:26,960
Speaker 1: come up with to me to give me to say

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00:51:27,040 --> 00:51:30,279
Speaker 1: that this is a good idea, because I would argue

849
00:51:30,360 --> 00:51:34,799
Speaker 1: you actually want if Republicans win competitive districts, then you're

850
00:51:34,840 --> 00:51:37,279
Speaker 1: more likely to have a Republican who's more likely to

851
00:51:37,520 --> 00:51:41,480
Speaker 1: buck the crazy Maga wing, and it actually is healthier

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00:51:41,560 --> 00:51:44,040
Speaker 1: for democracy if you have it in that way. So

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Speaker 1: the point being as fair districts will get you a

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Speaker 1: better quality member of Congress. Period. When you have unfair

855
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Speaker 1: districts that are overly partisan, then you get partisan hacks,

856
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Speaker 1: whether they're on the left or the right, because all

857
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Speaker 1: you have to worry about is winning a primary. And

858
00:51:58,880 --> 00:52:03,800
Speaker 1: then you have this absurdity where you know where literally

859
00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:06,759
Speaker 1: you know Don Bayer is currently my congressman, and the

860
00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:08,880
Speaker 1: new map you will not because Arlington is going to

861
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Speaker 1: get divided into two and and essentially South Arlington is

862
00:52:13,719 --> 00:52:15,800
Speaker 1: going to be in Buyer's district, and it's going to

863
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Speaker 1: go all the way to the Northern Neck, Okay, which

864
00:52:17,920 --> 00:52:21,279
Speaker 1: is which is sort of on the the the where

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Speaker 1: the Bay Chesapeake Bay and Atlantic Ocean and the and

866
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Speaker 1: the Northern Neck and the River down they are all

867
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Speaker 1: sort of come in the one. As you can see.

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Speaker 1: I'm not that familiar with that area. I've been there

869
00:52:34,239 --> 00:52:39,160
Speaker 1: a few times. It is uh, if we were a

870
00:52:39,239 --> 00:52:42,040
Speaker 1: slightly shorter drive, that would be an ideal place to

871
00:52:42,120 --> 00:52:44,520
Speaker 1: have a vacation home. And I know some people who do.

872
00:52:44,640 --> 00:52:49,480
Speaker 1: It's it's it's I've chosen to I've chosen the state

873
00:52:49,520 --> 00:52:51,960
Speaker 1: of Florida for mine. But it is a great place.

874
00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:53,520
Speaker 1: I remember why Off and I looked out there. We

875
00:52:53,680 --> 00:52:56,080
Speaker 1: enjoyed it, we liked it a lot. But it is

876
00:52:56,760 --> 00:52:59,840
Speaker 1: almost nothing in common with Arlington, and yet those communities

877
00:52:59,880 --> 00:53:02,759
Speaker 1: are all going to be the same district. You know,

878
00:53:03,239 --> 00:53:05,480
Speaker 1: It's basically Virginia is going to turn into this weird

879
00:53:05,640 --> 00:53:08,600
Speaker 1: sort of I guess you could call it like a

880
00:53:09,840 --> 00:53:13,480
Speaker 1: half octopus, where the body is all Northern Virginia and

881
00:53:13,560 --> 00:53:16,840
Speaker 1: then all of the districts you know, a tentacle, a

882
00:53:16,960 --> 00:53:19,960
Speaker 1: tentacle to the west, a technical to the southwest, a

883
00:53:20,080 --> 00:53:23,080
Speaker 1: technical due south, et cetera, et cetera. And then and

884
00:53:23,160 --> 00:53:25,640
Speaker 1: then there's this blob you know that will be the

885
00:53:25,719 --> 00:53:30,440
Speaker 1: one Republican district. It's probably going to pass, but I

886
00:53:30,480 --> 00:53:32,360
Speaker 1: don't think this is going to pass like California. And

887
00:53:32,440 --> 00:53:37,960
Speaker 1: you could just hear Spamberger in this interview, and you know,

888
00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:41,000
Speaker 1: she's you know, she has been pushing back on the

889
00:53:41,719 --> 00:53:45,279
Speaker 1: Democratic legislature on some business taxes and some things like that.

890
00:53:46,680 --> 00:53:49,719
Speaker 1: So she's still trying to sort of keep her pro

891
00:53:49,920 --> 00:53:53,040
Speaker 1: business credentials, which in you know, sort of basically in

892
00:53:53,160 --> 00:53:55,240
Speaker 1: line with what Tim how Tim Kaine was as governor

893
00:53:55,280 --> 00:53:57,600
Speaker 1: at Mark Warner was his governor of Terry McAuliffe. Like

894
00:53:57,640 --> 00:54:00,680
Speaker 1: it's a it's not unique. You know, the Democratic governors

895
00:54:00,719 --> 00:54:02,399
Speaker 1: of the twenty first century in Virginia have all been

896
00:54:02,960 --> 00:54:06,160
Speaker 1: have all wanted to make sure they Virginia stays in

897
00:54:06,200 --> 00:54:08,960
Speaker 1: the top five places to do business in the CNBC rankings,

898
00:54:09,239 --> 00:54:11,239
Speaker 1: which they have for pretty much all of the twenty

899
00:54:11,280 --> 00:54:17,840
Speaker 1: first century. So but she's she is now having to

900
00:54:17,920 --> 00:54:20,560
Speaker 1: be the face of the Her and Barack Obama are

901
00:54:20,600 --> 00:54:22,920
Speaker 1: having to be the face of this ad campaign for redistricting.

902
00:54:23,080 --> 00:54:27,719
Speaker 1: And you know, I'll tell you this. Like I said,

903
00:54:27,760 --> 00:54:31,360
Speaker 1: I think they win, but I think the Democrats are

904
00:54:31,400 --> 00:54:33,200
Speaker 1: giving up something here that they're going to wish they

905
00:54:33,280 --> 00:54:36,560
Speaker 1: have back. And I do think one reminder I'm going

906
00:54:36,600 --> 00:54:37,719
Speaker 1: to leave you with, and then we're going to go

907
00:54:37,719 --> 00:54:41,600
Speaker 1: into my conversation with Johnny O. The base of the

908
00:54:41,640 --> 00:54:44,200
Speaker 1: Republican Party is larger than the base of the Democratic Party.

909
00:54:44,320 --> 00:54:46,920
Speaker 1: And what does that mean. Democrats need more moderates to

910
00:54:46,960 --> 00:54:50,480
Speaker 1: get to fifty percent. The good news for Democrats is

911
00:54:50,719 --> 00:54:53,680
Speaker 1: a majority of moderates lean left on some social issues

912
00:54:54,840 --> 00:54:58,680
Speaker 1: and they want they're more uncomfortable siding with the Republicans

913
00:54:58,680 --> 00:55:01,520
Speaker 1: and the Democrats liberal modern conservative. This is what I'm

914
00:55:01,560 --> 00:55:03,560
Speaker 1: referring to when I say, when you have the idea

915
00:55:03,719 --> 00:55:09,680
Speaker 1: upholling ideological service. But those moderates sort of like actually

916
00:55:09,800 --> 00:55:12,839
Speaker 1: believe you know, they've been siding with the Democrats because

917
00:55:12,840 --> 00:55:14,880
Speaker 1: they're the pragmatic ones, they are the normal ones, and

918
00:55:14,920 --> 00:55:19,680
Speaker 1: they start behaving no, you know, ends justifies the means

919
00:55:19,760 --> 00:55:23,400
Speaker 1: type of politics. I think the Democrats are endangering that

920
00:55:23,640 --> 00:55:28,399
Speaker 1: part of their brand right now. Look, they're using two

921
00:55:28,520 --> 00:55:32,040
Speaker 1: people who I think plenty of people in the center

922
00:55:32,560 --> 00:55:37,800
Speaker 1: politically in this country see as pragmatists, Barack Obama, Abigail Spamber,

923
00:55:39,880 --> 00:55:46,960
Speaker 1: but they're advocating for something that's frankly indefensible, and it

924
00:55:47,239 --> 00:55:49,440
Speaker 1: just is going to chip away. It doesn't happen overnight.

925
00:55:50,800 --> 00:55:53,960
Speaker 1: But you know, Democrats have to realize they're thirty to

926
00:55:54,040 --> 00:55:56,200
Speaker 1: zero in these special election. Things are going great for

927
00:55:56,320 --> 00:55:59,399
Speaker 1: them on paper, They're on track to win the House

928
00:55:59,520 --> 00:56:03,600
Speaker 1: with the d majority, and frankly, it's probably getting close

929
00:56:03,640 --> 00:56:07,080
Speaker 1: to a coin flip for Senate control because I also

930
00:56:07,160 --> 00:56:10,600
Speaker 1: believe Lisa Murkowski, if it's fifty to fifty, she's gonna flip.

931
00:56:12,440 --> 00:56:15,080
Speaker 1: And again, I have no other evidence. I'm not you know,

932
00:56:15,120 --> 00:56:19,160
Speaker 1: I'm no inside knowledge in this. I'm just that's a

933
00:56:19,200 --> 00:56:23,200
Speaker 1: tea leaf. Okay, I am. I am reading a tea

934
00:56:23,280 --> 00:56:25,720
Speaker 1: leaf incredibly carefully in this one. But I'm pretty confident

935
00:56:25,800 --> 00:56:28,920
Speaker 1: of it, especially if Mary Patillo wins that sentence. I

936
00:56:29,000 --> 00:56:31,280
Speaker 1: think it's a if that's it, it's almost a given

937
00:56:31,920 --> 00:56:39,200
Speaker 1: that Rokowski hands the Democrats the Senate majority. Couldn't be

938
00:56:39,239 --> 00:56:41,920
Speaker 1: going swimmingly. And yet what did we see in that

939
00:56:42,000 --> 00:56:45,840
Speaker 1: Marquette Polarlier this week? The Democratic brand had a lower

940
00:56:45,880 --> 00:56:54,360
Speaker 1: favorable rating than the Republican Party and mega. So that's

941
00:56:55,320 --> 00:56:57,480
Speaker 1: you know, and this that bill will come to in

942
00:56:57,520 --> 00:57:01,160
Speaker 1: twenty eight if they're not careful. But how twenty six goes,

943
00:57:01,800 --> 00:57:06,040
Speaker 1: how they govern, how they resolve these internal fights, how

944
00:57:06,160 --> 00:57:10,160
Speaker 1: messy does this get right? All of this is going

945
00:57:10,239 --> 00:57:11,719
Speaker 1: to be determined. I think in the next three to

946
00:57:11,800 --> 00:57:14,359
Speaker 1: six months. All right, we're gonna sneak in a break

947
00:57:14,400 --> 00:57:16,560
Speaker 1: and when we come back. My conversation with Johnny oh

948
00:57:16,640 --> 00:57:19,480
Speaker 1: and what could be the twenty eighth Amendment to the

949
00:57:19,600 --> 00:57:31,680
Speaker 1: US Constitution. So a few months, a few weeks back,

950
00:57:32,080 --> 00:57:34,040
Speaker 1: I spent a lot of time talking to you guys

951
00:57:34,120 --> 00:57:36,960
Speaker 1: here in these and in fact I did a substeck

952
00:57:37,000 --> 00:57:38,520
Speaker 1: about this, and I said, you know what, the age

953
00:57:38,560 --> 00:57:41,520
Speaker 1: of reform is coming, and the question was just sort

954
00:57:41,560 --> 00:57:47,920
Speaker 1: of when it would begin. And I used the bipartisan endorsement.

955
00:57:48,040 --> 00:57:51,680
Speaker 1: The first Republican to endorse my next guest bill, a

956
00:57:51,800 --> 00:57:56,280
Speaker 1: constitutional amendment that he is proposing. It's a Democratic Congressman,

957
00:57:56,360 --> 00:58:02,320
Speaker 1: Johnny Oldchesky from Baltimore, and it was Don Bacon became

958
00:58:02,360 --> 00:58:05,520
Speaker 1: the first Republican to sign on. And it's essentially a

959
00:58:05,880 --> 00:58:10,480
Speaker 1: pardon nullification constitutional amendment. It uses in some ways the

960
00:58:10,560 --> 00:58:16,120
Speaker 1: same structure of a congressional override of a presidential veto.

961
00:58:16,280 --> 00:58:20,040
Speaker 1: It's very similar in its structure. But it was I

962
00:58:20,200 --> 00:58:22,440
Speaker 1: saw it as an opportunity because it was this was

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00:58:22,520 --> 00:58:26,040
Speaker 1: done in such a way that it didn't feel specifically

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00:58:26,120 --> 00:58:29,400
Speaker 1: targeted to one president. We know we've had abuses of

965
00:58:29,480 --> 00:58:33,600
Speaker 1: the pardon power, but by both this one and the

966
00:58:33,680 --> 00:58:36,640
Speaker 1: previous one, and you could argue multiple presidents going forward,

967
00:58:36,960 --> 00:58:39,960
Speaker 1: going backward. And there are some argue it's that the

968
00:58:40,120 --> 00:58:46,200
Speaker 1: pardon clause in our constitution is the biggest you might say,

969
00:58:46,320 --> 00:58:49,680
Speaker 1: loophole there is between a small D democracy and a

970
00:58:49,800 --> 00:58:54,600
Speaker 1: small A authoritarian regime. And so with that, I thought

971
00:58:54,640 --> 00:58:56,560
Speaker 1: it'd be nice to hear from the author of this

972
00:58:56,680 --> 00:59:00,880
Speaker 1: amendment himself, Congressman Johnny O. He says, we can call

973
00:59:00,960 --> 00:59:03,120
Speaker 1: him Johnny Oh, we'll find out if I'm going to

974
00:59:03,160 --> 00:59:04,960
Speaker 1: have to start having a you know, use the code.

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00:59:05,040 --> 00:59:09,440
Speaker 1: My friend Tony Kornheiser, Congressman, loves Johnny O polo shirts

976
00:59:09,560 --> 00:59:12,560
Speaker 1: and they advertise on his So maybe at this point

977
00:59:12,600 --> 00:59:14,120
Speaker 1: people will think it's you advertising.

978
00:59:14,360 --> 00:59:16,200
Speaker 2: It's the number one gift I get when I talk

979
00:59:16,200 --> 00:59:19,280
Speaker 2: to chambers of congresces, et cetera. Yeah, it's.

980
00:59:21,160 --> 00:59:23,439
Speaker 1: You know, they have that third button right that that's

981
00:59:23,480 --> 00:59:25,520
Speaker 1: what what's what guys like it's like that it's a

982
00:59:25,560 --> 00:59:28,880
Speaker 1: three button polo rather than sometimes the two button polo.

983
00:59:29,000 --> 00:59:31,800
Speaker 1: So there is something about you know, it is a.

984
00:59:31,960 --> 00:59:34,520
Speaker 2: Nice print, a nice constitutional amendment.

985
00:59:34,560 --> 00:59:37,040
Speaker 1: Here. There you go. It's a mighty fine constitution you have.

986
00:59:37,080 --> 00:59:39,240
Speaker 1: There be ashamed, mighty find republic you have. There be

987
00:59:39,320 --> 00:59:41,240
Speaker 1: shame if we lose it. All right, Look, I want

988
00:59:41,280 --> 00:59:42,840
Speaker 1: to bring you on on this, but look we'll talk.

989
00:59:42,880 --> 00:59:46,680
Speaker 1: I want to talk a lot about sort of how

990
00:59:46,720 --> 00:59:50,080
Speaker 1: to make congressman Congress functional again. But this is an

991
00:59:50,120 --> 00:59:54,760
Speaker 1: important step because constitutional You know, I am one of

992
00:59:54,800 --> 00:59:57,120
Speaker 1: the reasons I'm long term optimistic even if I'm short

993
00:59:57,200 --> 01:00:00,720
Speaker 1: term pessimistic about the direction of our republic is that

994
01:00:00,840 --> 01:00:03,240
Speaker 1: when we've had moments like this before, we've used the

995
01:00:03,280 --> 01:00:06,080
Speaker 1: tools in our toolbox. We haven't done it very often.

996
01:00:06,480 --> 01:00:08,920
Speaker 1: We need to use them more, but we don't. We're

997
01:00:08,960 --> 01:00:10,760
Speaker 1: in and around the Civil War we did, in and

998
01:00:10,840 --> 01:00:14,520
Speaker 1: around Teddy Roosevelt, throughout the r we did, and I

999
01:00:14,560 --> 01:00:16,720
Speaker 1: think we're in one of those periods again, and you

1000
01:00:16,880 --> 01:00:19,160
Speaker 1: update your constitutions and the same reason why you put

1001
01:00:19,200 --> 01:00:22,320
Speaker 1: a new roof on your house. You know it Sometimes

1002
01:00:22,440 --> 01:00:24,640
Speaker 1: you know you realize, oh, it's kind of an old

1003
01:00:24,680 --> 01:00:26,880
Speaker 1: structure that's going to have leaks. We kind of need

1004
01:00:26,920 --> 01:00:29,760
Speaker 1: to put new technology in here. And so the updating

1005
01:00:29,840 --> 01:00:33,440
Speaker 1: of the Constitution I think is necessary. But I'm curious

1006
01:00:33,520 --> 01:00:35,640
Speaker 1: where are we Do you have more than Don Bacon

1007
01:00:35,720 --> 01:00:38,480
Speaker 1: on board the part an amendment? And since I've been

1008
01:00:38,800 --> 01:00:41,840
Speaker 1: rambling on here, am I missing a piece of the

1009
01:00:42,280 --> 01:00:44,760
Speaker 1: amendment that you think is important for my listeners and

1010
01:00:44,840 --> 01:00:45,360
Speaker 1: viewers to know.

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01:00:46,680 --> 01:00:49,440
Speaker 2: I think you pretty much hit it. We have a

1012
01:00:49,800 --> 01:00:52,840
Speaker 2: part of it where the petitioning for review is a

1013
01:00:52,880 --> 01:00:57,440
Speaker 2: pretty narrow approach. Twenty members of the House, five members

1014
01:00:57,520 --> 01:00:59,840
Speaker 2: of the Senate can petition for that vote, and so

1015
01:01:00,280 --> 01:01:02,480
Speaker 2: part of it is just by having the ability to

1016
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Speaker 2: review it. Our hope is that presidents will think twice

1017
01:01:05,800 --> 01:01:08,920
Speaker 2: before issuing these egregious pardons. But yeah, it is very

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01:01:09,000 --> 01:01:12,080
Speaker 2: much modeled after a veto override, which I thought it

1019
01:01:12,240 --> 01:01:15,360
Speaker 2: was a modest but important step forward to say, some

1020
01:01:15,520 --> 01:01:18,920
Speaker 2: of these pardons that really are beyond the pale, especially

1021
01:01:19,000 --> 01:01:22,360
Speaker 2: under this president, are in need of that kind of reform,

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01:01:22,840 --> 01:01:25,960
Speaker 2: and so I appreciate don stepping on and really stepping

1023
01:01:25,960 --> 01:01:28,200
Speaker 2: into this in a moment where we're so polarized. But

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01:01:28,960 --> 01:01:31,040
Speaker 2: that's why we structured that way, and I think that

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01:01:31,320 --> 01:01:33,440
Speaker 2: as a new member of Congress, having someone who's a

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01:01:33,520 --> 01:01:37,480
Speaker 2: veteran who really I think understands the institution and why

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01:01:37,560 --> 01:01:41,160
Speaker 2: this is important, we are now actually this week we're

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01:01:41,200 --> 01:01:43,120
Speaker 2: going to be opening up for co sponsors, and so

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01:01:43,160 --> 01:01:46,560
Speaker 2: we're hoping to see Democrats and Republicans alike join. I

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01:01:46,600 --> 01:01:48,000
Speaker 2: know it's going to be harder because I think people

1031
01:01:48,080 --> 01:01:51,480
Speaker 2: view it as going after the President Trump and in

1032
01:01:51,600 --> 01:01:54,760
Speaker 2: some ways like his have been especially worse in my opinion,

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Speaker 2: But as you point.

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Speaker 1: Out, I think the preemptive partons were terrible. I mean,

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01:02:00,280 --> 01:02:03,160
Speaker 1: there's really no defending the preemp tove partments and what

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01:02:03,480 --> 01:02:07,640
Speaker 1: he did. And I might have empathy for Tony Fauci

1037
01:02:08,600 --> 01:02:10,680
Speaker 1: on a personal level, Lis Chainey in a personal level,

1038
01:02:10,680 --> 01:02:14,240
Speaker 1: there's no doubt there could be attempts. But what really

1039
01:02:14,320 --> 01:02:17,000
Speaker 1: set me off about those pardons were the where they

1040
01:02:17,000 --> 01:02:19,160
Speaker 1: get out of jail free cards for his family members.

1041
01:02:19,600 --> 01:02:22,640
Speaker 1: That felt like, what are you doing to prevent what

1042
01:02:22,760 --> 01:02:24,200
Speaker 1: you think the next president is going to do? You

1043
01:02:24,400 --> 01:02:29,000
Speaker 1: just gave him precedent to do it with his own family, and.

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Speaker 2: I suspect he will and.

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Speaker 1: What will he say when he does it?

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01:02:34,880 --> 01:02:39,360
Speaker 2: Just like there, that's right, absolutely, And I think this

1047
01:02:39,520 --> 01:02:41,480
Speaker 2: is part of the larger issue. This is one of

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Speaker 2: many places where I think Americans are so frustrated with

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01:02:45,720 --> 01:02:48,560
Speaker 2: all of us because the wealthy and the well connected

1050
01:02:48,640 --> 01:02:50,640
Speaker 2: and those who are in power or are privileged or

1051
01:02:50,680 --> 01:02:55,120
Speaker 2: getting away with you know, literally crimes. I don't want

1052
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Speaker 2: to say murder, but like they're getting away with pretty

1053
01:02:56,920 --> 01:02:59,920
Speaker 2: serious crimes. They're lining their pockets, and everybody else is

1054
01:03:00,040 --> 01:03:04,280
Speaker 2: getting crushed. And so I think it's pastime, especially in

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Speaker 2: this space, to look at the Constitution and say this

1056
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Speaker 2: is that you can drive a truck through this loophole.

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Speaker 2: I like to think that our founders had some better sense,

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Speaker 2: that the better angels of those who were presidents would

1059
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Speaker 2: not have abused it in these ways.

1060
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Speaker 1: But here we are.

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Speaker 2: And you know, I'm a Democrat who can say that

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Speaker 2: presidents Clinton others also abused this, whether it was Clinton's

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Speaker 2: half brother.

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Speaker 1: Do you do any research on this as to why,

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Speaker 1: I mean, what are my favorite I find the pardon

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Speaker 1: I inclusion in the Constitution one of the biggest head scratchers,

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Speaker 1: like if I could go into a time machine, because

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Speaker 1: here's a group of men, and it was obviously we

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Speaker 1: know it was all men who were so concerned about

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Speaker 1: a monarchy and about preventing a monarch as the leader

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Speaker 1: of our country that they wrote this pretty incredible document

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Speaker 1: that has stood the test of time but created a

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Speaker 1: loophole right out of a monarchy. And it is one

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Speaker 1: of those how the heck did this get into the

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Speaker 1: Constitution in the first place.

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Speaker 2: It's pretty wild considering all the checks and balances that

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Speaker 2: are otherwise written into the Constitution. I mean, they were

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Speaker 2: so deliberate about, to your point, preventing a return of

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Speaker 2: the monarchy, and I think that they would be surprised

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Speaker 2: by the amount of presidential authority being exhibited today. Generally,

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Speaker 2: I think that the inclinations of those founding fathers were

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Speaker 2: actually have as strong legislative branch that could sort of

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Speaker 2: help dictate and set the pace for our governance. So

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Speaker 2: I did not go that far back in terms of

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Speaker 2: my history on the pardon, but I was intrigued to

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Speaker 2: learn that there actually was a very similar amendment put

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Speaker 2: forward following the pardon of Richard Nixon.

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Speaker 1: Almost exactly the same in terms of a two third

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Speaker 1: happened to it. It's stalled, obviously, but like why did

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Speaker 1: you get no? But did you get some understanding? Who

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Speaker 1: stalled it? Why did it stall? This was a not

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Speaker 1: a super majority of Democratic majorities, but pretty close in

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Speaker 1: seventy six and seventy eight.

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Speaker 2: My sense is that it ended up not being bipartisan,

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Speaker 2: which is why we were so deliberate starting this out.

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Speaker 2: I didn't want to drop this, this legislation, this constitutional

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Speaker 2: amendment until we had a Republican on board, and you know,

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Speaker 2: having Don agreed to do this was a game changer.

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Speaker 2: And it's really open doors to my Republican colleagues at

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Speaker 2: a time where it's really hard for us to have

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Speaker 2: conversations about anything. But I like to think that both

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Speaker 2: he and I approach our work in a way where

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Speaker 2: we may have pretty strong philosophical differences on any number

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Speaker 2: of issues, but that we treat each other in our

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Speaker 2: colleagues with some decency and respect, and that we can

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Speaker 2: approach this issue with the seriousness that it deserves. And

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Speaker 2: we're hopeful that, if not under this Congress, that in

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Speaker 2: a subsequent Congress we actually do get this done. Because

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Speaker 2: this is more than just I mean, I want to

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Speaker 2: see this done beyond right.

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Speaker 1: I assume your goal is you'll introduce this, assuming the

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Speaker 1: voters of Baltimore send you back, that you will do

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Speaker 1: this every Congress until you get us right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think it's one of many reforms that

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Speaker 2: we should be looking at. I mean, the fact that

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Speaker 2: we can't get a decent stockband passed, for example, is

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Speaker 2: sort of beyond beyond me. These are things that are

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Speaker 2: supported by eighty percent of the voters out there, Republicans

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Speaker 2: and Democrats alike. And so I'm I'm a firm believer

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Speaker 2: that one of the things we have to do, whether

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Speaker 2: it's as Democrats or as members of Congress, is to

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Speaker 2: have people believe in the institution again. And that's sort

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Speaker 2: of holding ourselves to a higher standard and living that

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Speaker 2: standard a little bit. So this is one place where

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Speaker 2: I had a chance and step and lead and sort.

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Speaker 1: Of it is a modest I mean, just be honest,

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Speaker 1: it is a somewhat modest proposal. I you know, I

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Speaker 1: don't know if one individual should have this kind of power,

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Speaker 1: And whether you thought of creating a pardon board, you

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Speaker 1: know that might be made up of the two most

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Speaker 1: senior justices, the Attorney General, maybe the chairs of the

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Speaker 1: Senate Judiciary and House Judiciary. Whatever you could create, we

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Speaker 1: could just in the same way we have the Gang

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Speaker 1: of Eight for Intel briefings that administration. You know, you

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Speaker 1: could put together a pardon board where you would just

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Speaker 1: like anything. I mean, I think plenty of states have

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Speaker 1: taken the power away from the governor and created these

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Speaker 1: boards with the governor having ultimate sort of thumbs up,

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Speaker 1: thumbs down, sign off. Essentially they will sign off or

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Speaker 1: they won't sign off. Did you think about adding that

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Speaker 1: or were you fearing that was too complicated that it

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Speaker 1: would sort of sort of take the eye off of

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Speaker 1: the focal of the focal point here, which is just

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Speaker 1: putting a check on his part and power.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, part of it with simplicity and aligns with the

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01:08:08,080 --> 01:08:11,000
Speaker 2: check that already exists in Congress on other bills where

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Speaker 2: there's a conflict between the two branches. And frankly, the

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Speaker 2: other piece is most other boards. I guess it depends

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Speaker 2: on the state. But you sort of get into the

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01:08:20,000 --> 01:08:22,080
Speaker 2: questions of does the governor or the president still have

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01:08:22,160 --> 01:08:24,800
Speaker 2: the ultimate authority? And if they do, for me, it

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01:08:24,840 --> 01:08:28,400
Speaker 2: doesn't actually address the problem. And if they don't over

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Speaker 2: the board, then I think it could have been more

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Speaker 2: challenging to get Republicans on board to this idea, especially

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Speaker 2: under this trank. I'm going to be real, under this administration,

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01:08:37,200 --> 01:08:41,840
Speaker 2: taking away the decision making of the president is not

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Speaker 2: something that is looked favorly by colleagues in the Republican

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Speaker 2: Party right now.

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Speaker 1: So when I think about the history of tough things

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Speaker 1: that need bipartisan support to get through, it's amazing how

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Speaker 1: often they happen. In the month of right, Don't Ask,

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Speaker 1: Don't Tell was repealed the month after the twenty ten

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Speaker 1: mid terms, And I remember, if somebody told you Democrats

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Speaker 1: just got shellacked in the twenty ten mid terms, you

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01:09:17,680 --> 01:09:19,600
Speaker 1: know what they're successfully going to do next. They're going

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Speaker 1: to repeal Don't Ask, Don't Tell. And nobody would have

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Speaker 1: seen a company.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 1: Was it paired up with solidifying the Bush tax cut? Yes, right,

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Speaker 1: there was, certainly. You know, this is this is what

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Speaker 1: what we expect Congress to do. Right, a little bit here,

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Speaker 1: a little bit there, and that's that's how that's how

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Speaker 1: compromise happens, and that's how progress happens. This screams December

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Speaker 1: vote to me, meaning you know, if you could attach

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Speaker 1: it to a must pass bill that you would see

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Speaker 1: you know, do you have a strategy yet in your

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Speaker 1: head of how you want to get this passed? Or

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Speaker 1: right now? Is it? If you build it, they will

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Speaker 1: come mindset.

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Speaker 2: Thinking at this point, it's building the coalition and helping

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Speaker 2: to tell the story about why this is important and

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Speaker 2: why it's needed, why it's not a partisan a proposal.

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Speaker 2: But I will say I actually I love the idea

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Speaker 2: of this being a December gift to the American people.

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Speaker 2: So I think that that's something that as we're you know,

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Speaker 2: as we're having the conversations, people are will at least

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Speaker 2: say that's a great idea. We have to we have

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Speaker 2: to do something about.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, let me ask this. Have you had anybody say, well,

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Speaker 1: that's a terrible idea and here's why.

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Speaker 2: No, if anything, it's I can't sign on that because right,

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Speaker 2: and so I think to your point, right.

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Speaker 1: Nobody's saying it's a bad idea. They're just deciding whether

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Speaker 1: they want to put their name on it.

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Speaker 2: Because what we've seen is indefensible. Right, you can't defend.

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Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 2: Juan Orlando Hernandez part in hours. You can't defend the

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Speaker 2: cz crypto colin artists who gave millions of dollars to

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Speaker 2: the trunk cryptocurrency. You can't defend the pardon shopping industry,

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Speaker 2: where people are now paying upwards of half a million

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Speaker 2: a million dollars to seek a pardon from people closer.

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Speaker 2: It's just it's indefensible. And so it's more a question

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Speaker 2: of like, I don't I'm not worried about it passing

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Speaker 2: if it's giving a vote. It's just the function of right,

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01:11:15,200 --> 01:11:18,799
Speaker 2: how do we find a legislative vehicle or a pathway

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Speaker 2: to make sure.

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Speaker 1: This actually gets I mean, look, the reason I look

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Speaker 1: at December is sort of you're probably an opportune time

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Speaker 1: is if the House is going to change hands and

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Speaker 1: there is going to be some cleanup, they're going to

1211
01:11:32,720 --> 01:11:34,519
Speaker 1: want to get some votes out the door before they

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Speaker 1: lose their majority, and they want to be able to

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Speaker 1: say that that you know, you know, maybe that's when

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Speaker 1: you get the stock band, right, That's where you could

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01:11:42,320 --> 01:11:46,679
Speaker 1: picture how those that have survived want to be able

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01:11:46,760 --> 01:11:50,160
Speaker 1: to say, hey, we hear you, we heard the message,

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Speaker 1: and this is a way to respond. I mean, it's like, look,

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Speaker 1: I'm just will confess. I just want to see I

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Speaker 1: want to see this work. We need to prove that

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Speaker 1: we can use constitutional amendment. I do think there's a

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Speaker 1: lot of people who feel powerless at the moment that

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Speaker 1: they look at the democracy and they think, uh, it's

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Speaker 1: rigged and I have no say in this. Yep, the

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Speaker 1: thought that a constitutional that Congress could propose a constitutional amendment,

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Speaker 1: it passes the House and the Senate, and it then

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Speaker 1: heads to the state legislatures. I mean it's it's you know,

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Speaker 1: civics one oh one, right, Like, how how an amendment

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Speaker 1: becomes comes to be would be a healthy exercise, because

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Speaker 1: it's one of those things once we once we teach

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Speaker 1: the country how to fish, I think they'll keep trying

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01:12:43,200 --> 01:12:46,120
Speaker 1: to fish. I just you know, it'd be.

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Speaker 2: Nice to actually person in me. Yeah, it'd be nice

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Speaker 2: to actually see what I told my kids in ninth

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Speaker 2: grade government class when I was a teacher before I

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01:12:52,880 --> 01:12:55,320
Speaker 2: got into politics, that yes, this stuff actually works and

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Speaker 2: this is how things happen. Because that has not been

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Speaker 2: my experience the past.

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Speaker 1: We really have passed a meaningful constitutional amendment, arguably since

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Speaker 1: the Kennedy assassination with the twenty fifth Amendment, right, that

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Speaker 1: that was a meaningful Oh we have what if the

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Speaker 1: president had lived right? That to me was at least

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Speaker 1: responding to something. Hey, we hadn't dealt with this, and

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Speaker 1: perhaps we ought to deal with this scenario. We really

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01:13:20,240 --> 01:13:22,680
Speaker 1: haven't had a meaningful one since then and it worked. Well,

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Speaker 1: that's close to sixty years now. I know we've had

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Speaker 1: a few things on pay raise and lowering the age

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Speaker 1: from twenty one eighteen, but to me, this wasn't a

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Speaker 1: dealing with something that was structurally broken inside the Republic.

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Speaker 2: Well, and to your point, I think people want to

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01:13:41,280 --> 01:13:43,400
Speaker 2: have something to believe in again and to say this

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Speaker 2: is something that like transcends our partiesan politics, and that

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Speaker 2: we can look at our structures and how we function

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Speaker 2: as a nation. And I would love to give that

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01:13:53,880 --> 01:13:57,720
Speaker 2: hope to I think a very a weary nation right now.

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Speaker 1: You said something else a few moments ago that I'm

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01:14:10,880 --> 01:14:16,320
Speaker 1: more skeptical frankly, that that is going to be easy

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Speaker 1: to prove, and that is that you can prove to

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Speaker 1: the country that Congress can you know, be a independent

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01:14:23,920 --> 01:14:28,960
Speaker 1: branch of government again. And you know, if Democrats get

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01:14:29,000 --> 01:14:32,720
Speaker 1: the House back, you know, some people are going to

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Speaker 1: think they've got a mandate to go impeach Trump, and

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Speaker 1: some are going to say they have a mandate to

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Speaker 1: just simply oppose all things Trump, and some will say, no,

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Speaker 1: we have a mandate to make Congress a functional branch. Again,

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Speaker 1: the problem is, and you know, I'm just speaking reality.

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Speaker 1: Your own caucus probably is divided in three like this now,

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01:14:52,439 --> 01:14:56,799
Speaker 1: which is, you know what what should be the focus?

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Speaker 1: You know what it takes to create more more belief

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Speaker 1: in the independence of the legislative branch, which might not

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Speaker 1: be in the best interests of the hardcore base of

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Speaker 1: the Democratic Party. So how do you navigate that?

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Speaker 2: The same way I think about all this is it's

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Speaker 2: sort of the I approach politics as a Maslow's hierarchy

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Speaker 2: and as a party and as a institution. We should

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01:15:23,280 --> 01:15:26,400
Speaker 2: be focusing on addressing people's base needs first, and as

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Speaker 2: we were saying earlier, I feel like we've failed at

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Speaker 2: that miserably. Cost of living was supposed to be the number.

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Speaker 2: You know, day one, President Trump that he would address it.

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Speaker 2: Any number of my colleagues and I ran on lowering

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Speaker 2: the cost of living, and I always say, if people

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Speaker 2: can't put food on the table and provide for a

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Speaker 2: roof over their head. They don't really care about any

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Speaker 2: of the other issues. And so I think that we

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Speaker 2: can hold the president accountable and if there are impeachable offenses,

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Speaker 2: we can look at pursuing that. But we have to

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Speaker 2: also provide for Americans, whether it's a fair wage, whether

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Speaker 2: it's addressing the healthcare crisis that is, you know, I

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Speaker 2: think the average Marylander is paying over four thousand dollars

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Speaker 2: more a year if they're still in the Affordable Care Act.

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Speaker 2: But we have to also, I guess what I'm trying

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Speaker 2: to is like prove that we can govern with integrity.

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Speaker 2: And so whether it's the millions of files that still

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Speaker 2: haven't been released on Epstein, whether it's the insider stock trading,

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Speaker 2: the constitutional it's all these things that make people feel

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Speaker 2: like from a policy perspective, they see people getting rich

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Speaker 2: off of these debts on war in Iran. They see

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Speaker 2: members of Congress trading stock and becoming millionaires while we're serving.

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Speaker 2: And then we're cutting food benefits, we're making healthcare more expensive,

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Speaker 2: we're not addressing the housing costs that people are experiencing.

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Speaker 2: And so I think just delivering delivering on those base,

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Speaker 2: it's doing so in a way that has some level

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Speaker 2: of ethics and integrity. I think provides the space that

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Speaker 2: if you were operating in good faith, you can then

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Speaker 2: say we're and also do this impeachment or whatever else

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Speaker 2: needs to happen as Democrats.

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Speaker 1: Look, what you say seems pretty rational and normal, and

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Speaker 1: yet that isn't what ends up being what people hear

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Speaker 1: and they see coming out of Congress, right, I mean,

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01:17:25,360 --> 01:17:29,639
Speaker 1: it gets partisan quickly, and it's going to be even

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Speaker 1: harder if you guys take control immediately. There's going to

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Speaker 1: be a presidential campaign starting, and that is always even

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Speaker 1: harder on, you know, especially if you were the majority

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Speaker 1: in the House and you've got a bunch of people

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Speaker 1: running around Iowa, South Carolina with Democrats next there. In

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Speaker 1: the name going Washington's terrible and dysfunctional. Congress doesn't know

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Speaker 1: what it's doing, you know it. It will like create

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Speaker 1: this weird negative feedback loop that I think is going

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Speaker 1: to be quite hard to navigate, you know. And oh,

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Speaker 1: by the way, you're still dealing with potentially a runaway

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Speaker 1: executive branch.

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Speaker 2: I mean, right now, it is true, we are dysfunctional.

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Speaker 2: This is one of the least productive congresses I think

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Speaker 2: in the history of Congress. What I tell people is

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Speaker 2: that at the end of the day, Congress is an

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Speaker 2: institution that is made up of people. And maybe this

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Speaker 2: is me being a little pollyannish as a new member

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Speaker 2: and someone who hasn't been jaded by decades of service,

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Speaker 2: But at the end of the day, I don't think

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Speaker 2: any one person is beyond redemption. And so if you

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Speaker 2: have an institution full of people, you have to believe

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Speaker 2: that the institution isn't beyond redemption. It can also change.

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Speaker 2: And so I commanded as someone who, like my predecessor,

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Speaker 2: Doug Ruebersberger, was a local executive before coming here, and

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Speaker 2: I had a split counsel. We had four Democrats, we

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Speaker 2: had three Republicans. We passed gun safety legislation, we passed

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Speaker 2: police reform, we passed balanced budgets, we both cut cut

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Speaker 2: spending and and found new ways to raise revenue. I mean,

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Speaker 2: it was just there's a way to do it.

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Speaker 1: Well. It's funny, though, you're actually in the minority in

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Speaker 1: the House, aren't you of former executives serving in the

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Speaker 1: legislative branch, right, there's a few more executives in the Senate, right,

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Speaker 1: a few more former.

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Speaker 2: Governors but I think we'd be stronger if there were

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Speaker 2: more of us, can't, right, I.

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Speaker 1: Mean, I'm trying to think. You know, you've got uh uh,

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Speaker 1: you've got Carlos Simenez, who is a former mayor of

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Speaker 1: Miami Dade County. You've you've got your county exact and

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Speaker 1: Riccardo Greg Stanton, that's right, Stanton, mayor mayor of Phoenix.

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Speaker 2: It is.

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Speaker 1: You know, It's funny. Anybody who spent time as a

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Speaker 1: mayor right knows you can't be an idea log you know.

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Speaker 1: And to me, I know, county exact, county judge in

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Speaker 1: some states, you know, but it's essentially we call it

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Speaker 1: our county mayor is a mayor in Florida. Here it's

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Speaker 1: a county executive. I know Texas it's a judge, right,

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01:19:59,040 --> 01:20:05,800
Speaker 1: which gets really confused, but I mean it is. You know,

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Speaker 1: it's easy to be a partisan when all you have

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Speaker 1: to do is legislate, isn't it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, governing is hard and if you want to find

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Speaker 2: I think the other challenge is this too, is these

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Speaker 2: chambers constantly are shifting back and forth, and we can

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Speaker 2: we can like we can complain this game where it's

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Speaker 2: constantly we win and then we just sort of like

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Speaker 2: bash away everything the last group did and then we

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Speaker 2: build something and they take it.

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Speaker 1: Well, look at HR I think about this, and I

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Speaker 1: don't think you were there for HR one, but you

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Speaker 1: had Democrats who had there like Christmas Tree wish lists

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Speaker 1: when it came to what they how they would like

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Speaker 1: to see our voting rules. Well, guess what. The Republicans

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Speaker 1: came in and they have their like wish list of

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Speaker 1: and neither one is reality based, right, They're both Some

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Speaker 1: things seem reasonable and some things seem a bit aspirational

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Speaker 1: right on EIP side. And whenever I here somebody said

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Speaker 1: well it's all of it or nothing that, I'm like, oh,

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Speaker 1: you're not interested in passing any legislation then, right. I mean,

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Speaker 1: if Republicans were serious about voter ID, then they'd only

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Speaker 1: make it about voter ID, and I promise you they'd

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Speaker 1: probably get it passed. Yes, I think there's forty percent

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Speaker 1: of the Democratic caucus. I would probably vote for vote ID,

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Speaker 1: And once I got that eye, it might be all

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Speaker 1: of everybody. You know, we built somehow of that stuff

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Speaker 1: works yep. And if Democrats had just simply wanted to

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Speaker 1: guarantee a minimum standard for early access to voting, and

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Speaker 1: that's all they wanted. They would have gotten bipartisan support

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Speaker 1: for that, right, you know, the inability somehow to you know,

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Speaker 1: go find the slice of bread that everybody wants and

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Speaker 1: let's let's share it.

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Speaker 2: Well, those are the solutions that are sustainable, right, because

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Speaker 2: you forge that compromise and that consensus and they don't

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Speaker 2: ask forever. Necessarily, sometimes you'll have a big package that

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Speaker 2: will undo it. But I think by and large, the

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Speaker 2: decisions are better and they're more sustainable when you take

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Speaker 2: that approach. There's another suit as opposed to President Trump

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Speaker 2: voting today by mail in Florida.

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Speaker 1: Rules for thee not for me. But here's another challenge

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Speaker 1: I think you guys are going to have if you

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Speaker 1: get control of the House. Is I take it at that,

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Speaker 1: as a minority, you don't feel like the majority has

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Speaker 1: treated you very well? Do you feel that way?

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Speaker 2: Very fair assessment, right, I'm gonna say with the exception

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Speaker 2: of especially my Small Business Committee Roger Williams, maybe it's

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01:22:28,240 --> 01:22:32,599
Speaker 2: the baseball connection because he's the coach of the Republican

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01:22:32,680 --> 01:22:35,679
Speaker 2: team and I play for the Democrats. But we've passed

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Speaker 2: like three bipartisan bills out of that committee.

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Speaker 1: Everybody love small business. It's a reminder, right, there's certain

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01:22:41,360 --> 01:22:44,240
Speaker 1: there are certain committees that can get stuff done. Agg

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Speaker 1: has usually been one that also can get stuff done

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Speaker 1: on a bipart.

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Speaker 2: But you generally know we have not been treated very

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Speaker 2: well by by the majority here.

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Speaker 1: Because I say that, because it then becomes really hard

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Speaker 1: to then say, oh, no, we're unlike how you treated us.

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Speaker 1: We're going to treat you better because the Golden rule.

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Speaker 1: Every he lives by the golden rule in politics, and

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Speaker 1: and but they always live at it, live on it

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01:23:07,280 --> 01:23:10,560
Speaker 1: more defensively than offensively, meaning well you did this to me,

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Speaker 1: so I'm going to do it to you. Right everything.

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Speaker 1: It's more biblical Old Testament, biblical justice, right eye for

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Speaker 1: an eye. That's not going to solve the longer term

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01:23:21,160 --> 01:23:24,880
Speaker 1: problem of Congress's dysfunctional dysfunctionality. And yet you and I

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Speaker 1: both know leadership will get a lot of grief if

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Speaker 1: you know, from the base and maybe from donors if

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01:23:34,400 --> 01:23:43,120
Speaker 1: if they don't punish the other side. Here's how it

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01:23:43,160 --> 01:23:46,040
Speaker 1: gets described. Let me, I get it. You're trying. This

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Speaker 1: is not a simple question answer, and maybe this is

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Speaker 1: a better way to deal with this debate. There are

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Speaker 1: some that argue that, hey, when Democrats have power, they

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01:23:54,600 --> 01:23:56,800
Speaker 1: ought to use their power. Look at how those guys

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01:23:56,960 --> 01:24:00,599
Speaker 1: use they have power because a three vote, but they

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01:24:00,640 --> 01:24:04,200
Speaker 1: behave like they have a sixty vote majority. We should

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Speaker 1: behave the same way. Do you feel that.

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Speaker 2: I think that's why they're losing so bad. It's because

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Speaker 2: of they're both acting like a sixty vote. They're not

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Speaker 2: incorporating what I think are oftentimes good democratic ideas which

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Speaker 2: might win support on some legislation, and they're allowing themselves

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Speaker 2: to go so extreme, particularly with this president's or of

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01:24:26,240 --> 01:24:28,880
Speaker 2: dictating the terms of what they're pursuing, and they're not

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Speaker 2: sort of showing any of that independence. So I actually

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01:24:32,520 --> 01:24:35,880
Speaker 2: I'm going to be controlling here. I think if Democrats

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01:24:36,439 --> 01:24:39,160
Speaker 2: and we shouldn't compromise our values, I think we can

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Speaker 2: compromise about compromising what our core values are as Democrats,

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01:24:42,439 --> 01:24:45,680
Speaker 2: But if we're willing to at least on a good

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Speaker 2: number of items in good faith, say, okay, Republicans, if

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01:24:49,520 --> 01:24:52,000
Speaker 2: you have an idea that is worth listening to, for example,

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01:24:52,560 --> 01:24:54,960
Speaker 2: and it can win win your support to help you know,

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Speaker 2: move this piece of legislation forward, we'll hear you out.

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Speaker 2: I mean my frustration going to rules any number of

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Speaker 2: times has basically been if if Virginia Fox the chair,

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Speaker 2: who's actually a very nice person. We don't agree on anything,

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Speaker 2: but we've gotten to know each other, but she's the

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Speaker 2: only one there, Like, there's not even a conversation.

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Speaker 1: It's sort of any ideas the Speaker's committee for a reason, and.

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Speaker 2: It operates that way. But again, like things don't you've

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Speaker 2: you've covered this and been around this a lot more.

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Speaker 2: I just I just really think that there is there

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Speaker 2: is a crop of new members, especially in the Democratic side,

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Speaker 2: but also some Republicans I think, who see a different

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Speaker 2: way forward, and so I think depending on who comes

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Speaker 2: in and replaces the members who are departing, there might

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Speaker 2: be I think some space for maybe not a one

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Speaker 2: to eighty degree turn right, but but just maybe like

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Speaker 2: a thirty degree turn towards Well.

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Speaker 1: All right, let me make I I appreciate your optimism

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01:25:54,760 --> 01:26:00,240
Speaker 1: on that, but let's be realistic. The Republicans that are

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Speaker 1: likely to lose are the ones that are like your

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Speaker 1: co sponsor and the pardon bell Don Bacon, right, these

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Speaker 1: are the ones you know it is it is the

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Speaker 1: it is those that are not hardcore MAGA that are

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Speaker 1: more likely to lose, and that so you may have

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Speaker 1: fewer Republicans in the House next year, but by percentage

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Speaker 1: in devotion to MAGA, you may have a greater majority

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Speaker 1: of Mega adherents and so and that. Look, this is

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Speaker 1: due to this redistricting fiasco, which which you know, I

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Speaker 1: don't see why more redistricting in blue states makes this better.

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Speaker 2: You couple partisan redistricting with partisan elections. That's what you're

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Speaker 2: going to get, right, like, And so that's that's I

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01:26:56,080 --> 01:26:58,599
Speaker 2: think a much harder reform is. I think that people

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Speaker 2: will defend those systems more than say the pardon situation

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Speaker 2: that we open with. But yeah, like, and I think

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Speaker 2: you actually may see more progressive Democrats coming in in

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Speaker 2: addition to the crop.

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Speaker 1: Right who are not going to be interested. I mean, look,

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Speaker 1: I've talked to plenty of progressive who says I want

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Speaker 1: my own Donald Trump. That you know, it's sort of

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01:27:25,840 --> 01:27:28,519
Speaker 1: if we're going to live if if if the world

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01:27:28,640 --> 01:27:34,000
Speaker 1: is ends justifies the means, all right, then let's go

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Speaker 1: get our version of Donald Trump.

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 1: Look, I obviously don't think that that's the idea, But

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Speaker 1: when you live in a reactionary political environment, which is

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01:27:47,680 --> 01:27:49,320
Speaker 1: the one I think we're living in in the moment.

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01:27:49,800 --> 01:27:52,360
Speaker 1: It's almost inevitable we're going to see a version of this.

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Speaker 2: It's a good chance that we're going to see that, Right,

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01:27:57,200 --> 01:28:01,439
Speaker 2: I think that there's a but the most important thing

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01:28:01,479 --> 01:28:03,320
Speaker 2: is someone who can win. And so I don't know

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01:28:03,479 --> 01:28:10,280
Speaker 2: that elections are unique to the candidate, the circumstance, timing,

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01:28:11,360 --> 01:28:13,120
Speaker 2: and so you're going to, certainly, I think, see candidates

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01:28:13,160 --> 01:28:17,559
Speaker 2: in that vein. Yeah, the obviously I think it might

1500
01:28:17,680 --> 01:28:20,280
Speaker 2: do better in the respective primaries. But I think also,

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01:28:21,360 --> 01:28:23,400
Speaker 2: at least for Democrats, I think we are coming to

1502
01:28:23,479 --> 01:28:26,360
Speaker 2: a reckoning where it's like, if we don't win, none

1503
01:28:26,400 --> 01:28:26,920
Speaker 2: of it matters.

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01:28:27,640 --> 01:28:34,120
Speaker 1: Right, So, and I hear, look you and I I'm guessing,

1505
01:28:34,479 --> 01:28:38,880
Speaker 1: even if it's Baltimore, you've seen the redistricting ads that

1506
01:28:39,040 --> 01:28:42,439
Speaker 1: Obama's the spokesperson for quite a bit. I'm sure, right,

1507
01:28:43,640 --> 01:28:46,160
Speaker 1: if you've watched the NCAA tournament, I feel like I've

1508
01:28:46,200 --> 01:28:49,000
Speaker 1: seen it. You know, I'm saying Barack Obama as much

1509
01:28:49,000 --> 01:28:55,320
Speaker 1: as I'm seeing Rick Patina on my screen at the moment.

1510
01:28:55,640 --> 01:29:01,599
Speaker 1: And it it is hard. You know, you sit there

1511
01:29:01,640 --> 01:29:05,719
Speaker 1: and you're like Okay, Hey, in order to create fairness

1512
01:29:05,800 --> 01:29:10,000
Speaker 1: with Texas, we're going to have to be unfair in Virginia. Right,

1513
01:29:10,160 --> 01:29:12,360
Speaker 1: And look, Maryland has contemplated this, and you've got some

1514
01:29:12,439 --> 01:29:14,280
Speaker 1: Democrats in the state legislature. You're like, you know what,

1515
01:29:15,400 --> 01:29:20,120
Speaker 1: They're worried about the long term consequences. I'm empathetic to

1516
01:29:20,240 --> 01:29:23,000
Speaker 1: the fight fire with fire mindset. I get it right.

1517
01:29:23,240 --> 01:29:26,519
Speaker 1: And if you do believe right, there are some you know,

1518
01:29:26,600 --> 01:29:30,080
Speaker 1: Gavenus and says it out loud and maybe I'll you know,

1519
01:29:30,200 --> 01:29:32,439
Speaker 1: he believes if Democrats don't win the House this year,

1520
01:29:33,560 --> 01:29:35,960
Speaker 1: there won't be a fair twenty twenty eight election. Now,

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01:29:36,040 --> 01:29:38,920
Speaker 1: I don't happen to believe that, but I respect people

1522
01:29:39,000 --> 01:29:41,160
Speaker 1: that believe that. Like, you know, I might be wrong

1523
01:29:41,280 --> 01:29:43,560
Speaker 1: and they may be right. Where are you on that

1524
01:29:44,040 --> 01:29:44,839
Speaker 1: level of concern.

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01:29:47,160 --> 01:29:51,840
Speaker 2: I'm deeply concerned about the efforts with like the Save Act,

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01:29:51,880 --> 01:29:56,280
Speaker 2: for example. I do think that the Senate's going to probably,

1527
01:29:57,600 --> 01:29:59,960
Speaker 2: if not narrow, stay the same, and so I think

1528
01:30:00,040 --> 01:30:02,200
Speaker 2: it's going to be hard, at least as envisioned, to

1529
01:30:02,320 --> 01:30:07,719
Speaker 2: pass what they're trying to get through. I am actually

1530
01:30:07,800 --> 01:30:12,040
Speaker 2: concerned about, having lived through it and having seen it,

1531
01:30:12,200 --> 01:30:15,479
Speaker 2: I'm actually concerned about the certification. So I am concerned

1532
01:30:15,520 --> 01:30:19,680
Speaker 2: and obviously working to help elect a Democratic majority in

1533
01:30:19,840 --> 01:30:24,960
Speaker 2: twenty six, but knowing that the House and Senate have

1534
01:30:25,040 --> 01:30:27,120
Speaker 2: to certify the elections in twenty twenty eight, I think

1535
01:30:27,200 --> 01:30:31,040
Speaker 2: having at least one of those chambers be a Democratic

1536
01:30:31,120 --> 01:30:33,240
Speaker 2: majority is actually the thing that I'm more interested in,

1537
01:30:33,360 --> 01:30:36,160
Speaker 2: so that we have hopefully a fair, free count and

1538
01:30:36,240 --> 01:30:39,559
Speaker 2: we don't have any shenanigans around contesting the election results.

1539
01:30:39,640 --> 01:30:45,439
Speaker 1: And are you confident that this House, you know, the

1540
01:30:45,520 --> 01:30:50,960
Speaker 1: House Republicans I've had, you know, some the House Republicans

1541
01:30:51,000 --> 01:30:53,960
Speaker 1: will still have the majority in December when elections get certified.

1542
01:30:55,680 --> 01:30:59,120
Speaker 1: And people don't really fully realize this, but Congress can

1543
01:30:59,280 --> 01:31:07,479
Speaker 1: decide ultimately decide whether a House race is Yeah, it's

1544
01:31:07,600 --> 01:31:10,720
Speaker 1: actually not something that's done by the state. What's your

1545
01:31:10,800 --> 01:31:14,519
Speaker 1: level of concern that that that the Speaker is going

1546
01:31:14,600 --> 01:31:16,800
Speaker 1: to get involved after the election.

1547
01:31:18,640 --> 01:31:23,439
Speaker 2: As we sit here today, I don't think the Speaker

1548
01:31:23,920 --> 01:31:29,360
Speaker 2: is spotting to do that. I think that having led

1549
01:31:29,400 --> 01:31:33,360
Speaker 2: a local election agency and partner with elections like they

1550
01:31:33,439 --> 01:31:35,439
Speaker 2: do incredible work at the state and local levels to

1551
01:31:35,520 --> 01:31:43,760
Speaker 2: run these elections and overturning and challenging an election is

1552
01:31:43,800 --> 01:31:45,639
Speaker 2: a pretty pretty big step.

1553
01:31:48,560 --> 01:31:53,120
Speaker 1: And look, last time Congress did it, one could argue

1554
01:31:53,960 --> 01:31:57,479
Speaker 1: it's what created new Ingridge. You can go back in history,

1555
01:31:57,520 --> 01:32:01,280
Speaker 1: it's called the it's an incident. It's referred to as

1556
01:32:01,320 --> 01:32:05,200
Speaker 1: the Bloody eighth. It was an Indiana eighth Congressional district

1557
01:32:05,240 --> 01:32:10,160
Speaker 1: in eighty six. Within a year later, Democrats overturned the

1558
01:32:10,240 --> 01:32:14,880
Speaker 1: recount the House Administration Committee and sat the uh and

1559
01:32:15,040 --> 01:32:18,000
Speaker 1: sat the candidate that had lost the recount, and it

1560
01:32:18,160 --> 01:32:21,240
Speaker 1: was arguably I've had people say, you know, when did

1561
01:32:21,280 --> 01:32:24,240
Speaker 1: this polarization begin? And some will argue that that was

1562
01:32:24,320 --> 01:32:26,960
Speaker 1: the moment that gave life to Newkingridge. And when you

1563
01:32:27,120 --> 01:32:30,400
Speaker 1: give he was the backbencher ready to throw bombs at

1564
01:32:30,439 --> 01:32:35,519
Speaker 1: the time. Well, I look, I My level of concern

1565
01:32:35,600 --> 01:32:38,120
Speaker 1: on that is only if it's a really tight margin,

1566
01:32:38,280 --> 01:32:40,320
Speaker 1: right If if we're looking at if we're looking at

1567
01:32:40,320 --> 01:32:43,519
Speaker 1: three seats again, but this time it's three seats on

1568
01:32:43,600 --> 01:32:46,120
Speaker 1: your side instead of the other side, then yeah, I

1569
01:32:46,200 --> 01:32:49,960
Speaker 1: think every I think everything's a knife fight. If it's

1570
01:32:50,000 --> 01:32:51,920
Speaker 1: a twenty seat gap, I don't see it.

1571
01:32:53,160 --> 01:32:56,599
Speaker 2: Well, the seat gap and the margins of the elections themselves.

1572
01:32:57,000 --> 01:32:58,800
Speaker 2: I think if it's if it's a three seat gap,

1573
01:32:58,840 --> 01:33:01,960
Speaker 2: but praaps of Republicans have blown you know, we're one

1574
01:33:02,000 --> 01:33:04,479
Speaker 2: point fifteen points in those elections, and it's harder, I think,

1575
01:33:04,560 --> 01:33:10,040
Speaker 2: to justify. And yeah, I'm learning a lot as a

1576
01:33:10,160 --> 01:33:12,760
Speaker 2: as a new member here about sort of the ways

1577
01:33:12,760 --> 01:33:14,280
Speaker 2: in which we govern ourselves.

1578
01:33:13,960 --> 01:33:17,840
Speaker 1: And the honess do you miss do you miss being

1579
01:33:18,000 --> 01:33:18,879
Speaker 1: in local government?

1580
01:33:20,680 --> 01:33:22,840
Speaker 2: There are parts of this job that I enjoy and

1581
01:33:22,920 --> 01:33:26,759
Speaker 2: I choose to focus on them. I definitely miss getting

1582
01:33:26,800 --> 01:33:28,479
Speaker 2: things done. I mean that was that was the thing.

1583
01:33:29,080 --> 01:33:31,439
Speaker 2: Every day it was like we and this is why

1584
01:33:31,439 --> 01:33:33,760
Speaker 2: I like I'm in politics. Every day was a chance

1585
01:33:33,800 --> 01:33:37,439
Speaker 2: to make somebody's life better. So p yeah, and if

1586
01:33:37,479 --> 01:33:40,680
Speaker 2: we took what's frustrating is I know the resources this

1587
01:33:40,800 --> 01:33:43,880
Speaker 2: government has and the tools at our disposal, and if

1588
01:33:43,920 --> 01:33:48,120
Speaker 2: we actually channeled them in a way that was targeted

1589
01:33:48,200 --> 01:33:51,600
Speaker 2: and thoughtful and productive, it would be I mean, we

1590
01:33:51,640 --> 01:33:56,160
Speaker 2: could transform We have transformed this country before, right, you know, RAO,

1591
01:33:56,280 --> 01:34:00,760
Speaker 2: interstate highways, clean drinking, Like, there's how much we could do.

1592
01:34:01,000 --> 01:34:04,679
Speaker 2: But instead we're yelling at each other on social media.

1593
01:34:05,680 --> 01:34:09,080
Speaker 2: And it's I think that's that's what's really unfortunate about

1594
01:34:09,080 --> 01:34:09,400
Speaker 2: all of it.

1595
01:34:20,360 --> 01:34:25,120
Speaker 1: I think sometimes, you know, in reporting, it's I've always

1596
01:34:25,160 --> 01:34:28,439
Speaker 1: thought it was really important to change beats. Now I

1597
01:34:28,560 --> 01:34:34,040
Speaker 1: never did, and but having a fresh set of eyes

1598
01:34:34,479 --> 01:34:37,120
Speaker 1: joined me on any beat was always helpful. You know,

1599
01:34:37,320 --> 01:34:39,719
Speaker 1: what have what have I gotten used to? That isn't normal?

1600
01:34:39,840 --> 01:34:42,720
Speaker 1: But I'm treating as normal. So you're a fresh set

1601
01:34:42,760 --> 01:34:46,560
Speaker 1: of eyes. What is Congress treat as normal that You're like,

1602
01:34:48,479 --> 01:34:51,640
Speaker 1: w t F what I mean? This? This is insanity.

1603
01:34:52,200 --> 01:34:53,320
Speaker 1: Give me a few things like that.

1604
01:34:54,400 --> 01:34:58,280
Speaker 2: We already talked about the stock trading. I think you

1605
01:34:58,360 --> 01:35:01,920
Speaker 2: can look through any number of the ethics reports that

1606
01:35:01,920 --> 01:35:07,000
Speaker 2: are at least now public that in any other environment,

1607
01:35:08,040 --> 01:35:12,439
Speaker 2: even what's already publicly made available would lead to lead

1608
01:35:12,520 --> 01:35:19,519
Speaker 2: to the dismissal of members. Just very out. Again, it's

1609
01:35:19,600 --> 01:35:22,040
Speaker 2: this disconnect, and this is why people are like, you

1610
01:35:22,120 --> 01:35:24,160
Speaker 2: can get away with anything if you're elected, or if

1611
01:35:24,160 --> 01:35:27,680
Speaker 2: you're rich, or if you're you know, well connected. But

1612
01:35:28,160 --> 01:35:32,200
Speaker 2: meanwhile I can't pay my damn mortgage, I can't find

1613
01:35:32,240 --> 01:35:35,680
Speaker 2: a job, and so like that's the what the heck is?

1614
01:35:35,880 --> 01:35:39,120
Speaker 2: Is all of this like good good for me, not

1615
01:35:39,240 --> 01:35:41,720
Speaker 2: for not for thee or if you're you know, if

1616
01:35:41,800 --> 01:35:43,360
Speaker 2: you know the presence people you can get a part

1617
01:35:43,400 --> 01:35:47,120
Speaker 2: and if and I have to say, like both is

1618
01:35:47,439 --> 01:35:50,400
Speaker 2: as like a kid who grew up in like a

1619
01:35:50,439 --> 01:35:53,040
Speaker 2: steel town that shut down. Like I feel them, and

1620
01:35:56,200 --> 01:36:00,400
Speaker 2: it's it's frustrating. It's hard to see because they're I

1621
01:36:00,400 --> 01:36:01,920
Speaker 2: think there are so many good people who are there

1622
01:36:02,000 --> 01:36:02,839
Speaker 2: for the right reasons.

1623
01:36:04,200 --> 01:36:06,479
Speaker 1: But all let me let me ask you this is

1624
01:36:06,560 --> 01:36:10,960
Speaker 1: it is the following statement true that ninety percent of

1625
01:36:11,040 --> 01:36:15,160
Speaker 1: the work you do in Congress, there's ninety percent agreement.

1626
01:36:14,880 --> 01:36:22,599
Speaker 2: On nine of the work that we do. I don't

1627
01:36:22,600 --> 01:36:23,360
Speaker 2: think so currently.

1628
01:36:23,680 --> 01:36:25,679
Speaker 1: No, you think it's you think that what we're fighting

1629
01:36:25,760 --> 01:36:27,400
Speaker 1: over is more than ten percent of these days.

1630
01:36:28,200 --> 01:36:30,600
Speaker 2: And I look at it not. You can look the

1631
01:36:30,680 --> 01:36:34,000
Speaker 2: numbers of suspension bills that we pass every week, right,

1632
01:36:34,080 --> 01:36:35,479
Speaker 2: So like if you look at it from a pure

1633
01:36:35,560 --> 01:36:39,439
Speaker 2: bill number perspective, yes, but I think about all of

1634
01:36:39,520 --> 01:36:42,200
Speaker 2: the in my opinion, the terrible things that were put

1635
01:36:42,200 --> 01:36:46,280
Speaker 2: into reconciliation, the debt increase, the healthcare changes that are

1636
01:36:46,479 --> 01:36:50,719
Speaker 2: taking away of food supports, the transfer of tax cuts

1637
01:36:50,720 --> 01:36:53,439
Speaker 2: to the wealthiest of the country, and those are, like

1638
01:36:54,520 --> 01:36:56,880
Speaker 2: I weigh though so much more heavily in terms of

1639
01:36:56,960 --> 01:36:59,280
Speaker 2: like big things things that are impactful to this country

1640
01:36:59,640 --> 01:37:02,040
Speaker 2: that like renaming a post office, I can't sort of

1641
01:37:02,080 --> 01:37:05,120
Speaker 2: give the same I got you wait, so like in

1642
01:37:05,200 --> 01:37:07,400
Speaker 2: terms of like number of bills, sure, in terms of

1643
01:37:07,479 --> 01:37:10,479
Speaker 2: like impact or the magnitude of the issues, not so much.

1644
01:37:14,280 --> 01:37:19,760
Speaker 1: Well, that's it is because there is such a What

1645
01:37:19,880 --> 01:37:23,160
Speaker 1: I try to convey to folks outside of Washington is

1646
01:37:23,240 --> 01:37:27,599
Speaker 1: that you know, there's the stuff that gets the most

1647
01:37:27,680 --> 01:37:32,840
Speaker 1: attention is still only ten percent of the I always

1648
01:37:32,840 --> 01:37:36,040
Speaker 1: say there's two Washington's. There's like a Washington that's consistently

1649
01:37:36,600 --> 01:37:39,920
Speaker 1: having to get things done enough to let everything function,

1650
01:37:40,680 --> 01:37:44,479
Speaker 1: and then there's the performance art political theater of Washington.

1651
01:37:45,200 --> 01:37:48,439
Speaker 1: And I feel like the House of Representatives, those that

1652
01:37:48,600 --> 01:37:51,280
Speaker 1: have whose names are the most famous are the ones

1653
01:37:51,320 --> 01:37:52,080
Speaker 1: that do the least.

1654
01:37:58,840 --> 01:38:04,040
Speaker 2: I think there's a lot of truth of that, And

1655
01:38:04,160 --> 01:38:06,200
Speaker 2: that's a choice, right. I think at the end of

1656
01:38:06,200 --> 01:38:07,840
Speaker 2: the day, you get to choose, like do you want

1657
01:38:07,880 --> 01:38:10,720
Speaker 2: to try to get stuff done or or do you

1658
01:38:12,080 --> 01:38:12,840
Speaker 2: try to go viral?

1659
01:38:14,479 --> 01:38:16,200
Speaker 1: All right, let me get at a couple of things here.

1660
01:38:16,439 --> 01:38:20,559
Speaker 1: The redistricting in Maryland is something that you were supportive

1661
01:38:20,600 --> 01:38:23,080
Speaker 1: of politically but glad it didn't happen, Or do you

1662
01:38:23,120 --> 01:38:23,960
Speaker 1: think it should have happened.

1663
01:38:25,000 --> 01:38:28,439
Speaker 2: I think it reinforces why we should be doing national reforms.

1664
01:38:28,720 --> 01:38:31,880
Speaker 2: I mean, if Republicans and Democrats and we both yell

1665
01:38:31,920 --> 01:38:34,080
Speaker 2: at each other about how terrible as in all these states,

1666
01:38:34,120 --> 01:38:36,559
Speaker 2: then like, let's again, let's come together and do something

1667
01:38:36,600 --> 01:38:39,280
Speaker 2: bipartisan and roll it back everywhere.

1668
01:38:39,760 --> 01:38:41,320
Speaker 1: You know, you have a simple way to solve this,

1669
01:38:41,720 --> 01:38:45,760
Speaker 1: to potentially mitigate this issue. So my reform obsession is

1670
01:38:45,840 --> 01:38:49,680
Speaker 1: something that Congress regularly did until nineteen twenty, which was

1671
01:38:49,840 --> 01:38:55,120
Speaker 1: expand the size of the House. And you know, because

1672
01:38:55,160 --> 01:38:57,280
Speaker 1: of a fight between the two parties about how much

1673
01:38:57,400 --> 01:39:00,160
Speaker 1: we should reapportion and how many new seats to be

1674
01:39:00,200 --> 01:39:03,080
Speaker 1: added to Congress, in nineteen thirty they shut it down.

1675
01:39:03,400 --> 01:39:05,720
Speaker 1: Four to thirty five became the number, and we went

1676
01:39:05,800 --> 01:39:08,160
Speaker 1: from you went from representing one per three hundred and

1677
01:39:08,160 --> 01:39:11,320
Speaker 1: fifty thousand to now one per eight hundred and it's

1678
01:39:11,360 --> 01:39:15,400
Speaker 1: on its way to one two a million. And that

1679
01:39:15,640 --> 01:39:19,400
Speaker 1: was not the founder's intent. And the bigger these congressional

1680
01:39:19,439 --> 01:39:23,280
Speaker 1: districts are, ironically the easier it is to use a

1681
01:39:23,439 --> 01:39:27,320
Speaker 1: faction to win them, right, and if you actually narrowed them,

1682
01:39:28,439 --> 01:39:30,599
Speaker 1: and if you had more of them, you know, essentially

1683
01:39:30,640 --> 01:39:33,040
Speaker 1: we went back to one per three fifty. And I

1684
01:39:33,120 --> 01:39:34,960
Speaker 1: think you could do this as constitutional amendment if you

1685
01:39:35,000 --> 01:39:37,800
Speaker 1: wanted to and sort of mandate that the House had

1686
01:39:37,840 --> 01:39:41,600
Speaker 1: to expand make sure that no congressional district were was

1687
01:39:41,640 --> 01:39:44,120
Speaker 1: bigger than point zero three percent of the population, which

1688
01:39:44,160 --> 01:39:46,479
Speaker 1: is the math that would get you to about one

1689
01:39:46,560 --> 01:39:51,960
Speaker 1: per four hundred thousand that you may not need to gerrymander,

1690
01:39:53,040 --> 01:39:58,639
Speaker 1: you know. And look, it would fix the electoral college

1691
01:39:58,880 --> 01:40:02,320
Speaker 1: discrepancies as it would raise the numerator right, and you

1692
01:40:02,320 --> 01:40:05,160
Speaker 1: would have less likelihood. There'd still be a chance that

1693
01:40:05,240 --> 01:40:07,439
Speaker 1: the popular vote in the electoral college would go differently,

1694
01:40:07,640 --> 01:40:11,599
Speaker 1: but it's like a one chance, not where we are now,

1695
01:40:11,640 --> 01:40:13,759
Speaker 1: which is somewhere in that ten to fifteen percent range,

1696
01:40:14,040 --> 01:40:16,720
Speaker 1: which is destabilizing to the democracy. It just is I

1697
01:40:16,760 --> 01:40:20,200
Speaker 1: think we all can you have a serious enough elections

1698
01:40:20,200 --> 01:40:23,400
Speaker 1: in a row or the majorities, you know, then people

1699
01:40:23,479 --> 01:40:26,240
Speaker 1: lose faith. I mean we've seen that in Israel's dealing

1700
01:40:26,280 --> 01:40:29,240
Speaker 1: with this. The majority hasn't been that government hasn't been

1701
01:40:29,280 --> 01:40:33,680
Speaker 1: a majority government in thirty years, you know, and you

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01:40:33,800 --> 01:40:37,640
Speaker 1: sort of see what happens there any appetite inside the

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01:40:37,720 --> 01:40:41,400
Speaker 1: House to uncap the House as the as US dorky

1704
01:40:41,520 --> 01:40:44,559
Speaker 1: kids who would like to who would like to see

1705
01:40:44,600 --> 01:40:45,360
Speaker 1: this happen, call.

1706
01:40:45,320 --> 01:40:50,639
Speaker 2: It nothing that I've heard. I hear more rumblings about

1707
01:40:50,680 --> 01:40:53,240
Speaker 2: things like ray choice voting. Frankly, and that's mostly from

1708
01:40:53,240 --> 01:40:57,000
Speaker 2: the Democratic side of the House. I haven't really heard

1709
01:40:57,080 --> 01:41:02,560
Speaker 2: much appetite other than folks who have been impacted on

1710
01:41:02,640 --> 01:41:05,439
Speaker 2: the Republican resist by the radiction who who.

1711
01:41:05,400 --> 01:41:07,760
Speaker 1: Well, that's been the dirty little secret is that the

1712
01:41:07,840 --> 01:41:10,160
Speaker 1: people that hate this the most are the actual members

1713
01:41:10,160 --> 01:41:13,000
Speaker 1: of the US House, like they are literally be treated

1714
01:41:13,040 --> 01:41:15,760
Speaker 1: like ponds in this game again between Trump and the Democrats.

1715
01:41:15,840 --> 01:41:19,680
Speaker 2: Right, yeah, and look, and so I understand like why

1716
01:41:19,760 --> 01:41:24,920
Speaker 2: Democrats punched back, why there was a response, but I

1717
01:41:25,160 --> 01:41:27,479
Speaker 2: tried to lean back into like I was ready drunk anywhere.

1718
01:41:28,560 --> 01:41:31,880
Speaker 2: But it's it's a chance for us all to say,

1719
01:41:32,760 --> 01:41:35,439
Speaker 2: we've all said this is wrong. We said's wrong in Texas,

1720
01:41:35,479 --> 01:41:39,680
Speaker 2: we says wrong. You know, Democrats criticized Texas, Republicans criticized California.

1721
01:41:40,439 --> 01:41:43,800
Speaker 2: So then we agree, So let's do something about it.

1722
01:41:46,240 --> 01:41:53,920
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, eventually, least not yet. What's your advice to

1723
01:41:54,400 --> 01:41:59,559
Speaker 2: came Jefferies, if you become speaker, keep it keep it simple.

1724
01:42:00,280 --> 01:42:06,759
Speaker 2: Focus on that kitchen table, you know. Let's raise wages.

1725
01:42:06,880 --> 01:42:09,559
Speaker 2: Let's provide opportunities for people to find jobs or get

1726
01:42:09,600 --> 01:42:13,519
Speaker 2: trained for jobs. Let's lower costs through ending tariffs. Let's

1727
01:42:13,960 --> 01:42:18,280
Speaker 2: make healthcare more affordable by pushing the ACA tax Credit extension.

1728
01:42:18,320 --> 01:42:21,640
Speaker 2: And let's lead with our values. Let's lead with integrity.

1729
01:42:22,120 --> 01:42:26,559
Speaker 2: Let's pass the Pardon Integrity Act, and let's fix the pardons.

1730
01:42:26,640 --> 01:42:30,000
Speaker 2: Let's band stock trading by members of Congress. Six or

1731
01:42:30,040 --> 01:42:32,360
Speaker 2: seven things that people understand and get. Let's try to

1732
01:42:32,360 --> 01:42:34,000
Speaker 2: put it on the president's desk and let him say.

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01:42:34,040 --> 01:42:37,960
Speaker 1: No. What's interesting there is you didn't say anything about

1734
01:42:38,040 --> 01:42:40,560
Speaker 1: impeachment or accountability. It doesn't sound like you'd like to

1735
01:42:40,640 --> 01:42:42,360
Speaker 1: see that be a top priority.

1736
01:42:42,720 --> 01:42:45,920
Speaker 2: Hey, look, I voted to advance the articles of impeachment

1737
01:42:46,080 --> 01:42:48,360
Speaker 2: this term against this pressent. I think you certainly have

1738
01:42:48,479 --> 01:42:51,400
Speaker 2: done any number of things that are worthy of impeachment,

1739
01:42:51,520 --> 01:42:53,640
Speaker 2: and so I'm prepared to do that. I'm prepared to

1740
01:42:53,680 --> 01:42:57,160
Speaker 2: hold this president accountable at the end of the day.

1741
01:42:57,160 --> 01:43:01,000
Speaker 2: I also understand math, and so even if we impeach

1742
01:43:01,080 --> 01:43:03,799
Speaker 2: the president in the House, I don't see the numbers

1743
01:43:03,920 --> 01:43:09,200
Speaker 2: or the math changing. In the Senate, and so maybe

1744
01:43:09,240 --> 01:43:12,280
Speaker 2: it's an important Well, that's a question. You know.

1745
01:43:12,360 --> 01:43:15,040
Speaker 1: It's funny. I had this conversation with George Conway, who's

1746
01:43:15,120 --> 01:43:18,840
Speaker 1: running for Congress, on this issue, which, in some ways

1747
01:43:18,840 --> 01:43:22,040
Speaker 1: I appreciate the honesty about it, right and the transparency. Right.

1748
01:43:22,360 --> 01:43:24,559
Speaker 1: What mandate do you want? Here's the mandate I want

1749
01:43:24,720 --> 01:43:28,960
Speaker 1: you voters decide whether you give it to me. There's

1750
01:43:29,040 --> 01:43:31,800
Speaker 1: two schools of thought here on a third impeachment right.

1751
01:43:32,120 --> 01:43:35,880
Speaker 1: One school says you have to show you're you're going

1752
01:43:35,960 --> 01:43:38,040
Speaker 1: to try to hold them accountable because you've got to

1753
01:43:38,080 --> 01:43:41,519
Speaker 1: send a message to the next president and the next

1754
01:43:41,560 --> 01:43:45,679
Speaker 1: person that may hold office. Another says, if you shoot

1755
01:43:45,800 --> 01:43:47,920
Speaker 1: the if you go for the if you shoot the

1756
01:43:48,040 --> 01:43:51,439
Speaker 1: king again and miss again, have you made it where

1757
01:43:51,520 --> 01:43:54,880
Speaker 1: that tool in the toolbox is no longer a usable tool?

1758
01:43:56,520 --> 01:43:59,760
Speaker 1: I can, I can, I can argue both sides of

1759
01:43:59,800 --> 01:44:02,200
Speaker 1: this future made me do it?

1760
01:44:02,240 --> 01:44:05,400
Speaker 2: Where do you fall I fall on? I want to

1761
01:44:05,439 --> 01:44:08,040
Speaker 2: actually have accountability where we can. And so part of

1762
01:44:08,080 --> 01:44:09,560
Speaker 2: the reason why I think Taken the House is so

1763
01:44:09,640 --> 01:44:12,400
Speaker 2: important is really the oversight hearings and the suboenas that

1764
01:44:12,439 --> 01:44:14,720
Speaker 2: we can do and actually getting information out to the

1765
01:44:14,760 --> 01:44:18,120
Speaker 2: public that makes it harder for this president to keep

1766
01:44:18,880 --> 01:44:21,960
Speaker 2: operating in what I think are often lawless ways in

1767
01:44:22,120 --> 01:44:25,360
Speaker 2: passing the legislation that, in my opinion, for example, is

1768
01:44:25,439 --> 01:44:28,479
Speaker 2: the common sense reforms to ICE that are both best

1769
01:44:28,560 --> 01:44:32,640
Speaker 2: practice and that are overwhelmingly supported by Americans. And so

1770
01:44:33,360 --> 01:44:38,240
Speaker 2: I'm not opposed to impeachment. In fact, was affirmatively for it.

1771
01:44:38,960 --> 01:44:41,440
Speaker 2: But I think at the end of the day, accountability

1772
01:44:41,520 --> 01:44:44,680
Speaker 2: means that we're changing what's happening in people's lives, and

1773
01:44:44,720 --> 01:44:49,559
Speaker 2: we're changing the restraints on this president and future presidents,

1774
01:44:49,600 --> 01:44:52,560
Speaker 2: and so I'm for whatever does That is sort of

1775
01:44:52,680 --> 01:44:53,519
Speaker 2: my focus in all of this.

1776
01:44:54,479 --> 01:44:56,600
Speaker 1: All right, let me get you out of here on

1777
01:44:58,880 --> 01:45:01,439
Speaker 1: the n West More for president, he has said he's

1778
01:45:01,479 --> 01:45:03,280
Speaker 1: not running for president in twenty twenty eight, and I

1779
01:45:03,360 --> 01:45:05,960
Speaker 1: think it's actually true. He is currently not running for

1780
01:45:06,040 --> 01:45:09,080
Speaker 1: president in twenty twenty days that I'm aware of. If

1781
01:45:09,120 --> 01:45:12,479
Speaker 1: he chooses to run in twenty twenty eight, is there

1782
01:45:12,479 --> 01:45:14,519
Speaker 1: any hesitation in your part to endorse him.

1783
01:45:15,280 --> 01:45:19,960
Speaker 2: I'm looking forward to broad coalition of I think exceptional

1784
01:45:20,040 --> 01:45:23,519
Speaker 2: Democrats that we have. I am not pre committing to

1785
01:45:23,840 --> 01:45:26,400
Speaker 2: endorse any of them. Look forward to seeing what they

1786
01:45:26,439 --> 01:45:29,680
Speaker 2: all have to offer for America. The Governor's been a

1787
01:45:29,680 --> 01:45:32,880
Speaker 2: great partner here in Maryland. I think he would be

1788
01:45:33,000 --> 01:45:37,080
Speaker 2: a viable candidate should he changed from now to striking

1789
01:45:37,120 --> 01:45:40,320
Speaker 2: the now part of the answer. Sure, But I think that,

1790
01:45:41,680 --> 01:45:44,080
Speaker 2: especially in this moment, that Democrats need to put all

1791
01:45:44,120 --> 01:45:46,799
Speaker 2: of our voices forward and I think have a robust

1792
01:45:47,439 --> 01:45:50,960
Speaker 2: discussion about what the future of our party is going

1793
01:45:51,040 --> 01:45:54,320
Speaker 2: to be. Who's best equipped to lead us? And I

1794
01:45:54,360 --> 01:45:56,400
Speaker 2: think it'd be great to have Governor more be part

1795
01:45:56,400 --> 01:45:59,479
Speaker 2: of that conversation, but not at a point where I

1796
01:45:59,520 --> 01:46:02,320
Speaker 2: would be endor seeing any any particular candidate at this point.

1797
01:46:02,400 --> 01:46:05,000
Speaker 1: What does a what does electability mean to you? How

1798
01:46:05,040 --> 01:46:08,600
Speaker 1: do you define it? That's going to be quite the

1799
01:46:08,680 --> 01:46:12,320
Speaker 1: debate in twenty twenty eight. Who's electable? And what's electability

1800
01:46:14,360 --> 01:46:14,639
Speaker 1: I mean?

1801
01:46:15,360 --> 01:46:21,320
Speaker 2: And obviously it's true senses who who can win? I

1802
01:46:21,439 --> 01:46:24,679
Speaker 2: think I think it's someone who has policies that resonate

1803
01:46:24,840 --> 01:46:28,479
Speaker 2: with the American people and someone who can be cool

1804
01:46:28,520 --> 01:46:30,479
Speaker 2: and fun. And I feel like that's one of the

1805
01:46:30,520 --> 01:46:31,120
Speaker 2: places where.

1806
01:46:31,000 --> 01:46:32,800
Speaker 1: Democrats, I do think there's got to be a little

1807
01:46:32,800 --> 01:46:34,120
Speaker 1: bit of a personality test here.

1808
01:46:34,240 --> 01:46:36,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like we've fallen fat flat on our

1809
01:46:36,280 --> 01:46:39,120
Speaker 2: faces as Democrats, we've lost the sort of swagger and

1810
01:46:39,200 --> 01:46:44,960
Speaker 2: the coolness of our presidential candidates, but just it hasn't and.

1811
01:46:44,960 --> 01:46:49,200
Speaker 1: It's Obama had their own level of cool when they

1812
01:46:49,240 --> 01:46:50,280
Speaker 1: were in office.

1813
01:46:50,400 --> 01:46:53,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, even even Biden the first time, you know, the

1814
01:46:54,040 --> 01:46:55,680
Speaker 2: like the the aviators in the ice cream it was,

1815
01:46:55,800 --> 01:46:57,280
Speaker 2: it was a little bit of a swagger and a thing.

1816
01:46:57,360 --> 01:47:00,240
Speaker 2: And so figuring out as a party, how you get

1817
01:47:00,280 --> 01:47:03,240
Speaker 2: back to having both someone with the right policies, who

1818
01:47:03,280 --> 01:47:06,360
Speaker 2: can I think speak to those working interesting?

1819
01:47:06,479 --> 01:47:09,439
Speaker 1: So you really think the Democrats need to find what

1820
01:47:09,680 --> 01:47:12,200
Speaker 1: one what the kids might call it, the main character

1821
01:47:12,479 --> 01:47:15,400
Speaker 1: they need to find. They need to find, you know,

1822
01:47:16,800 --> 01:47:18,840
Speaker 1: I find my One of my favorite lines during the

1823
01:47:18,840 --> 01:47:21,439
Speaker 1: twenty twenty presidential debates was from Michael Bennett and he said,

1824
01:47:21,439 --> 01:47:22,880
Speaker 1: you know, if you lect me president, you may go

1825
01:47:22,960 --> 01:47:25,519
Speaker 1: three weeks without hearing from me. And I thought, hey,

1826
01:47:26,280 --> 01:47:30,120
Speaker 1: there's I like that. But I realized I'm not the

1827
01:47:30,240 --> 01:47:33,240
Speaker 1: maturity I think. So the point is is you're saying

1828
01:47:34,200 --> 01:47:36,360
Speaker 1: that is not what you think the country's going to

1829
01:47:36,400 --> 01:47:41,599
Speaker 1: be looking for. Is is somebody to be a character,

1830
01:47:42,240 --> 01:47:45,080
Speaker 1: a sort of Gerald Ford And I say that.

1831
01:47:45,439 --> 01:47:48,599
Speaker 2: Show me some show me some rids man like as

1832
01:47:48,960 --> 01:47:54,320
Speaker 2: my daughter and her friends would say. Yeah, I think

1833
01:47:54,360 --> 01:47:56,400
Speaker 2: you have to be able. You can have the best

1834
01:47:56,920 --> 01:47:59,920
Speaker 2: vision and ideas in the world. But if you can

1835
01:48:00,360 --> 01:48:02,320
Speaker 2: and then and look, Trump is a hell of a salesman.

1836
01:48:02,960 --> 01:48:05,040
Speaker 2: He puts on a hell of a show. I don't

1837
01:48:05,080 --> 01:48:08,679
Speaker 2: agree with most of his policies. I think they're garbage

1838
01:48:08,680 --> 01:48:11,479
Speaker 2: for this country, but he puts on a great show.

1839
01:48:11,560 --> 01:48:13,880
Speaker 2: And he did it at the State of the Union, right,

1840
01:48:14,000 --> 01:48:16,120
Speaker 2: didn't didn't talk about a ran at all. But but

1841
01:48:16,520 --> 01:48:20,800
Speaker 2: the show and the spectacle was impressive. And so we

1842
01:48:20,920 --> 01:48:23,400
Speaker 2: need I think we need someone who both can speak

1843
01:48:23,400 --> 01:48:25,200
Speaker 2: to our values and touch our hearts, but also can

1844
01:48:25,240 --> 01:48:28,959
Speaker 2: do it in a way that people are like, Yeah, let's.

1845
01:48:28,760 --> 01:48:35,320
Speaker 1: Go conversman, Johnny olcheskey, how'd I do? I'm not getting it, okay,

1846
01:48:35,840 --> 01:48:39,719
Speaker 1: Old Johnny?

1847
01:48:39,760 --> 01:48:39,840
Speaker 2: Oh?

1848
01:48:40,200 --> 01:48:42,599
Speaker 1: I think, man, you got it, Johnny Oh. I mean

1849
01:48:42,640 --> 01:48:44,639
Speaker 1: it's going to be you ever run for state wide

1850
01:48:44,680 --> 01:48:47,120
Speaker 1: office that you definitely have to be Johnny. Oh, that's

1851
01:48:47,160 --> 01:48:49,080
Speaker 1: easy on the bumper sticker, right, I.

1852
01:48:49,120 --> 01:48:51,920
Speaker 2: Think that's it. That's the sticker. Now we're gonna just

1853
01:48:51,960 --> 01:48:52,639
Speaker 2: make the transition.

1854
01:48:53,600 --> 01:48:56,679
Speaker 1: Well, I enjoyed this, joyed getting to know you. Likewise,

1855
01:48:57,280 --> 01:48:59,840
Speaker 1: let's see if the uh you got it is the

1856
01:49:00,120 --> 01:49:02,200
Speaker 1: the Oriol is going to make Camden Yards a hot

1857
01:49:02,240 --> 01:49:02,760
Speaker 1: ticket again.

1858
01:49:03,360 --> 01:49:07,640
Speaker 2: Uh ge Alonso was a great free agent pickup. The

1859
01:49:07,720 --> 01:49:11,320
Speaker 2: fact that we optioned Dean Kramer to the Miners tells

1860
01:49:11,400 --> 01:49:13,680
Speaker 2: me that we have a starting rotation that actually looks

1861
01:49:13,720 --> 01:49:17,800
Speaker 2: pretty good this year. So I'm a big fan of

1862
01:49:17,840 --> 01:49:19,240
Speaker 2: our new ownership team.

1863
01:49:19,680 --> 01:49:22,519
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, I know, I'm jealous. I wish he bought

1864
01:49:22,560 --> 01:49:27,280
Speaker 1: the Nets. I was. I was hoping that that David.

1865
01:49:27,520 --> 01:49:29,639
Speaker 1: I was like, no, no, no, no no, he took

1866
01:49:29,680 --> 01:49:33,560
Speaker 1: Baltimore and we lost David Rubinstein.

1867
01:49:34,720 --> 01:49:37,000
Speaker 2: But you're right, you do have a good owner, the

1868
01:49:37,040 --> 01:49:42,600
Speaker 2: great owner, great team. Oriel Park is quintessential like the

1869
01:49:42,880 --> 01:49:47,040
Speaker 2: new era. So yeah, I'm always big. Also like it's

1870
01:49:47,080 --> 01:49:48,920
Speaker 2: hard to be Johnny Oh and not be for the O's.

1871
01:49:49,080 --> 01:49:50,840
Speaker 1: So you got to be for the O's, right, Yeah,

1872
01:49:50,880 --> 01:49:55,040
Speaker 1: you never know who? Right, So uh yeah, I can

1873
01:49:55,120 --> 01:49:57,639
Speaker 1: just see the the black and orange Johnny O hats

1874
01:49:57,680 --> 01:50:01,000
Speaker 1: there for you. So anyway, congresson great, get to know you. Thanks.

1875
01:50:01,080 --> 01:50:12,920
Speaker 1: I appreciate it, all right, I hope you enjoyed that conversations.

1876
01:50:13,080 --> 01:50:16,200
Speaker 1: But now, hey it's it's the weekend. It's time to

1877
01:50:16,240 --> 01:50:19,439
Speaker 1: turn to the Chuck Todd Sports page here if you will.

1878
01:50:19,920 --> 01:50:22,519
Speaker 1: And I want to start with a modest proposal for

1879
01:50:22,600 --> 01:50:26,160
Speaker 1: the NCAA basketball tournament. And by the way, this applies

1880
01:50:26,200 --> 01:50:30,760
Speaker 1: to men and women when I'm about to propose here,

1881
01:50:31,000 --> 01:50:33,439
Speaker 1: but it is more of a reaction to the results

1882
01:50:33,439 --> 01:50:37,519
Speaker 1: of the men's tournament. Right, there's a big let's call

1883
01:50:37,600 --> 01:50:40,640
Speaker 1: it what it is. There's kind of a disappointment that

1884
01:50:41,160 --> 01:50:44,679
Speaker 1: there are no right that it's all major conference teams

1885
01:50:44,680 --> 01:50:47,840
Speaker 1: that are left. There's no mid major Cinderella. We have

1886
01:50:48,000 --> 01:50:54,439
Speaker 1: no FA Florida Atlantic, no George Mason, no Saint Peter's. Frankly,

1887
01:50:54,600 --> 01:50:57,120
Speaker 1: not even a Gonzaga, although they were a three seed,

1888
01:50:57,200 --> 01:50:59,160
Speaker 1: but still, you know, they're kind of at least from

1889
01:50:59,200 --> 01:51:01,800
Speaker 1: a non power four and a half conference. I say

1890
01:51:01,840 --> 01:51:03,880
Speaker 1: four and a half. I'm gonna put the Big East

1891
01:51:03,920 --> 01:51:06,280
Speaker 1: in the power side of the conferences. But I think

1892
01:51:06,320 --> 01:51:08,880
Speaker 1: it's pretty clear that Saint John's and you Connor like

1893
01:51:08,960 --> 01:51:13,200
Speaker 1: power schools. And I think, well, you know, and we

1894
01:51:13,280 --> 01:51:16,920
Speaker 1: know Villanova aspires to be, Georgetown aspires to be you know,

1895
01:51:17,120 --> 01:51:21,320
Speaker 1: it is. Let's just say the Big East basketball now

1896
01:51:21,560 --> 01:51:23,800
Speaker 1: reminds me of where Big East football was right before

1897
01:51:25,000 --> 01:51:33,240
Speaker 1: Miami left for the ACCI. I could argue, as a

1898
01:51:33,320 --> 01:51:36,280
Speaker 1: GW guy and an A ten advocate, that the Big

1899
01:51:36,360 --> 01:51:39,360
Speaker 1: East is closer to catch The Big East is closer

1900
01:51:39,400 --> 01:51:41,799
Speaker 1: to be the A ten than it is to catching

1901
01:51:42,640 --> 01:51:44,960
Speaker 1: what would be the fourth best conference this year. I

1902
01:51:45,120 --> 01:51:48,160
Speaker 1: guess you would put it. I guess you would say

1903
01:51:48,360 --> 01:51:53,120
Speaker 1: the number four conference was the ACC given the results

1904
01:51:53,120 --> 01:51:55,040
Speaker 1: of the of the tournament, right, I think the Big

1905
01:51:55,120 --> 01:51:56,720
Speaker 1: East is closer to the A ten than it is

1906
01:51:56,800 --> 01:52:01,080
Speaker 1: to the ACCI. If you're asking, I think i'd go

1907
01:52:01,200 --> 01:52:04,760
Speaker 1: Big ten, Big twelve SEC ACC this year just just

1908
01:52:04,840 --> 01:52:07,640
Speaker 1: sort of in your power order of the conferences in

1909
01:52:07,640 --> 01:52:11,920
Speaker 1: college basketball. But there's a huge disappointment, right, there's just

1910
01:52:12,160 --> 01:52:15,040
Speaker 1: it's all power for schools, right that dark horses are

1911
01:52:15,120 --> 01:52:19,000
Speaker 1: like Iowa Nebraska or an eleven seeded Texas that was

1912
01:52:19,000 --> 01:52:21,479
Speaker 1: seen as a top ten twenty school earlier this year.

1913
01:52:23,479 --> 01:52:25,479
Speaker 1: And I think there's always been this conundrum about the

1914
01:52:25,680 --> 01:52:29,679
Speaker 1: NCAA Tournament in that we love upsets in the first round,

1915
01:52:29,760 --> 01:52:31,200
Speaker 1: and the last thing we want to see are these

1916
01:52:31,360 --> 01:52:33,519
Speaker 1: schools actually in the final four. We think we do,

1917
01:52:34,200 --> 01:52:36,280
Speaker 1: but once they appear in the final four, nobody watches

1918
01:52:36,360 --> 01:52:40,560
Speaker 1: these games. Right when Butler or Mason or Gonzaie. And

1919
01:52:41,040 --> 01:52:44,920
Speaker 1: it's not like Florida Atlantic. They've not been ratings Juggernauts. Right.

1920
01:52:45,600 --> 01:52:48,200
Speaker 1: What we want is we want them to get almost there.

1921
01:52:48,240 --> 01:52:49,559
Speaker 1: We want them to get to the We love them

1922
01:52:49,600 --> 01:52:52,000
Speaker 1: in the Sweet sixteen, we like them in the eight

1923
01:52:52,200 --> 01:52:55,599
Speaker 1: and then we want Duke playing Yukon in the final, right,

1924
01:52:56,200 --> 01:53:03,479
Speaker 1: or you know, fill in your top tier score. So

1925
01:53:04,240 --> 01:53:06,680
Speaker 1: you know me, I don't want to sit here and

1926
01:53:06,840 --> 01:53:10,760
Speaker 1: just identify problems, whether it's in our politics or in

1927
01:53:10,840 --> 01:53:16,000
Speaker 1: our sports fandom. I am here to propose solutions and

1928
01:53:16,120 --> 01:53:17,840
Speaker 1: have I got a solution for you, And I'm going

1929
01:53:17,880 --> 01:53:21,920
Speaker 1: to begin telling you my bias. I went to GW,

1930
01:53:22,960 --> 01:53:24,960
Speaker 1: so in this case, my bias is for the mid majors,

1931
01:53:26,960 --> 01:53:31,240
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna explain why it's good for everybody involved.

1932
01:53:32,680 --> 01:53:37,800
Speaker 1: When GW made the Sweet sixteen and ninety three, I

1933
01:53:37,920 --> 01:53:39,799
Speaker 1: know for some of you maybe listening to this podcast

1934
01:53:39,840 --> 01:53:45,160
Speaker 1: weren't born then, do you know what happened to applications

1935
01:53:45,320 --> 01:53:49,719
Speaker 1: the following year? They're like it went up like fifty percent.

1936
01:53:51,320 --> 01:53:53,800
Speaker 1: And GW went to the NCAA tournament seven out of

1937
01:53:53,840 --> 01:53:57,960
Speaker 1: ten years in the nineties and just making the NCAA

1938
01:53:58,040 --> 01:54:00,040
Speaker 1: Tournament one Sweet sixteen appearance, a couple of und on

1939
01:54:00,120 --> 01:54:04,680
Speaker 1: to thirty two's consistently playing big time school, so they

1940
01:54:04,680 --> 01:54:06,280
Speaker 1: were suddenly they were in the mix, and they were

1941
01:54:06,320 --> 01:54:12,120
Speaker 1: in the conversation, and it had huge implications for GW's

1942
01:54:12,439 --> 01:54:17,599
Speaker 1: status as a top tier university. One could argue that GW,

1943
01:54:17,720 --> 01:54:21,200
Speaker 1: which is now an AAU school R one university important

1944
01:54:21,280 --> 01:54:25,400
Speaker 1: distinction in the in the world of academics. They it

1945
01:54:25,479 --> 01:54:28,000
Speaker 1: wouldn't have gotten there without that investment in the basketball program.

1946
01:54:29,080 --> 01:54:33,120
Speaker 1: And there are stories like this all around the country. Shoot,

1947
01:54:33,160 --> 01:54:34,880
Speaker 1: this happens even with the power for school Universe of

1948
01:54:34,880 --> 01:54:37,520
Speaker 1: Miami applications have gone through the roof since Miami made

1949
01:54:37,520 --> 01:54:43,520
Speaker 1: it to the NCAA title in football, Georgia and Clemson.

1950
01:54:44,200 --> 01:54:47,640
Speaker 1: The current president in GW Ellen Grandberg, I'm a huge

1951
01:54:48,040 --> 01:54:51,880
Speaker 1: fan of I just think she's brought an energy to

1952
01:54:51,960 --> 01:54:57,760
Speaker 1: the place that that that that that is that I'm

1953
01:54:57,840 --> 01:55:00,720
Speaker 1: just I haven't felt it like this since the Tract

1954
01:55:00,800 --> 01:55:03,560
Speaker 1: and Berg days. For those of you that really know

1955
01:55:03,680 --> 01:55:07,280
Speaker 1: GW's politics, So I'm a huge I'm really supportive of her.

1956
01:55:07,320 --> 01:55:10,240
Speaker 1: I'm really rooting for She tells a great story about

1957
01:55:10,320 --> 01:55:13,240
Speaker 1: she was the provost at Clemson during the rise of DABA,

1958
01:55:14,400 --> 01:55:19,520
Speaker 1: and she said that it wasn't just you didn't just

1959
01:55:19,600 --> 01:55:23,360
Speaker 1: improve the quality student you got. You know, you got

1960
01:55:23,400 --> 01:55:25,760
Speaker 1: they got Applications went up, which meant they got they

1961
01:55:25,840 --> 01:55:28,240
Speaker 1: got they got to they got to have a higher

1962
01:55:28,320 --> 01:55:30,840
Speaker 1: accept you know, basically a lower acceptance rate, which means

1963
01:55:30,840 --> 01:55:33,680
Speaker 1: you're getting a higher quality student. They had more out

1964
01:55:33,720 --> 01:55:39,560
Speaker 1: of state students or more diversified student body. More out

1965
01:55:39,600 --> 01:55:41,840
Speaker 1: of state students means she can give more scholarship money

1966
01:55:41,880 --> 01:55:44,160
Speaker 1: in state. There's all sorts of benefits that come with it.

1967
01:55:45,160 --> 01:55:47,680
Speaker 1: And then she said to one other thing, it improved,

1968
01:55:48,040 --> 01:55:52,000
Speaker 1: It was a differentiator when doing interviews with professors. I

1969
01:55:52,040 --> 01:55:54,320
Speaker 1: think it just got a better quality of professor who

1970
01:55:54,480 --> 01:55:58,080
Speaker 1: saw the excitement around the football program as a feature.

1971
01:55:58,960 --> 01:56:01,919
Speaker 1: You know, you sometimes here, you know university, you get academic,

1972
01:56:02,480 --> 01:56:06,640
Speaker 1: you'll get the academic faculty. Faculty sentence will fight investments

1973
01:56:06,680 --> 01:56:08,920
Speaker 1: into sports programs because they think it's being taken away

1974
01:56:08,920 --> 01:56:12,120
Speaker 1: from academics. But I think more and more modern faculties

1975
01:56:12,200 --> 01:56:19,040
Speaker 1: understand that success in athletics actually indirectly translate to success

1976
01:56:19,080 --> 01:56:22,680
Speaker 1: in academics because it allows it it creates more interest

1977
01:56:22,720 --> 01:56:27,000
Speaker 1: in the school, you get more applications that in turn

1978
01:56:27,120 --> 01:56:29,960
Speaker 1: gets more donor dollars into the school. It just it

1979
01:56:30,120 --> 01:56:36,960
Speaker 1: is truly rising tide. So why do I say all

1980
01:56:37,000 --> 01:56:40,000
Speaker 1: this before I give you this preamble here, before I

1981
01:56:40,080 --> 01:56:42,800
Speaker 1: give you my proposal to fix the NCAA Tournament and

1982
01:56:42,920 --> 01:56:45,360
Speaker 1: to bring back everything that we love about it and

1983
01:56:46,920 --> 01:56:51,160
Speaker 1: keep what we love about it and have it benefit everybody.

1984
01:56:52,920 --> 01:56:55,600
Speaker 1: It's my proposal to expand the tournament to ninety six teams,

1985
01:56:56,840 --> 01:57:00,680
Speaker 1: because it's clear now with then il the situation we're in,

1986
01:57:02,600 --> 01:57:04,760
Speaker 1: which is look, it is gravity. It is it is

1987
01:57:04,800 --> 01:57:07,560
Speaker 1: allowed that all the great mid major players all are

1988
01:57:08,120 --> 01:57:11,840
Speaker 1: are all going to end up in power for schools. Right,

1989
01:57:12,040 --> 01:57:14,600
Speaker 1: you just have to look. You look at any of

1990
01:57:14,680 --> 01:57:18,760
Speaker 1: the top programs. I mean Iowa was a great example, right.

1991
01:57:20,400 --> 01:57:23,080
Speaker 1: Their coach and point guard started together in Division two.

1992
01:57:23,680 --> 01:57:26,000
Speaker 1: They had success at Drake together. Now they're at Iowa

1993
01:57:26,000 --> 01:57:28,800
Speaker 1: and they knock off Florida. So all the great mid

1994
01:57:28,920 --> 01:57:33,360
Speaker 1: major players are still having a huge impact in the

1995
01:57:33,480 --> 01:57:37,960
Speaker 1: NCAA tournament. They're just doing it with bigger brands, a

1996
01:57:37,960 --> 01:57:44,440
Speaker 1: bigger brand on their jersey. But there's over three hundred

1997
01:57:44,440 --> 01:57:51,440
Speaker 1: and twenty Division I basketball programs, and right now only

1998
01:57:51,560 --> 01:57:54,919
Speaker 1: sixty eight slots for those three hundred and twenty basketball programs.

1999
01:57:56,120 --> 01:57:58,560
Speaker 1: That's actually arguably too small of a cut. And even

2000
01:57:58,560 --> 01:58:00,280
Speaker 1: if you if so, if you expanded ninety six, you're

2001
01:58:00,320 --> 01:58:05,400
Speaker 1: still less than one third. Major League baseball has twelve

2002
01:58:05,680 --> 01:58:10,920
Speaker 1: out of thirty teams that make football has fourteen out

2003
01:58:10,960 --> 01:58:14,600
Speaker 1: of thirty two Basketball now has twenty out of thirty

2004
01:58:15,080 --> 01:58:23,520
Speaker 1: if you count the playing games. So having college basketball

2005
01:58:24,320 --> 01:58:30,000
Speaker 1: allow less than a third, but nearly a third of

2006
01:58:30,080 --> 01:58:34,240
Speaker 1: their programs into their postseason isn't diluting the product. It's

2007
01:58:34,320 --> 01:58:40,880
Speaker 1: probably arguably fair, and more importantly, by expanding in ninety six.

2008
01:58:40,880 --> 01:58:42,560
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get to the logistics here in minute, because

2009
01:58:42,560 --> 01:58:46,720
Speaker 1: I've solved all your logistics problems here. Okay, I'm gonna

2010
01:58:46,720 --> 01:58:48,840
Speaker 1: borrow page from my friend Colin Coyhard. I am giving

2011
01:58:48,880 --> 01:58:52,840
Speaker 1: you the answer. Hopefully the NCAA is smart enough to

2012
01:58:53,040 --> 01:58:55,840
Speaker 1: just accept my proposal as is and just implement it.

2013
01:58:58,080 --> 01:59:02,320
Speaker 1: Is a It is not dilute the product. It will

2014
01:59:02,840 --> 01:59:09,320
Speaker 1: enhance all of these universities. This is a good thing

2015
01:59:09,440 --> 01:59:11,440
Speaker 1: to do for students. It is a good thing to

2016
01:59:11,520 --> 01:59:13,680
Speaker 1: do for academics. It is a good thing to do

2017
01:59:13,880 --> 01:59:18,360
Speaker 1: for recruiting everyday Americans to want to go to school wherever,

2018
01:59:20,720 --> 01:59:23,920
Speaker 1: so it has a net positive across the board for

2019
01:59:24,040 --> 01:59:27,320
Speaker 1: higher education. I really believe this, and I just laid

2020
01:59:27,400 --> 01:59:32,560
Speaker 1: out a couple of examples to reinforce this notion. And

2021
01:59:32,680 --> 01:59:35,200
Speaker 1: I know, look, I understand the real cynics. Hey, there's

2022
01:59:35,320 --> 01:59:37,640
Speaker 1: these people that get paid to play college sports aren't

2023
01:59:37,640 --> 01:59:40,080
Speaker 1: even going to class. Yeah, there's always going to be

2024
01:59:40,120 --> 01:59:44,800
Speaker 1: those examples, but a lot of this still funnels back

2025
01:59:44,840 --> 01:59:49,960
Speaker 1: to the university and only raises only raises everybody's floor.

2026
01:59:51,240 --> 01:59:54,840
Speaker 1: All right, So, without further ado, this is the simplest.

2027
01:59:56,400 --> 01:59:59,800
Speaker 1: This is an easy way to implement a ninety six

2028
02:00:00,120 --> 02:00:03,120
Speaker 1: team tournament. So let me give you the structure. It's

2029
02:00:03,160 --> 02:00:08,160
Speaker 1: pretty simple. Four regions, just like we have now currently

2030
02:00:09,080 --> 02:00:15,879
Speaker 1: you have four reasons with what do we do with seventeen?

2031
02:00:16,000 --> 02:00:19,840
Speaker 1: Essentially seventeen? What do we have with every not every region?

2032
02:00:19,960 --> 02:00:23,120
Speaker 1: So right now it's sixty eight teams make it with

2033
02:00:23,200 --> 02:00:27,880
Speaker 1: the first four, but we have four regions sixteen plus two,

2034
02:00:27,920 --> 02:00:31,240
Speaker 1: so I think, so I guess it's eighteen. That can't

2035
02:00:31,280 --> 02:00:37,640
Speaker 1: be right, excuse me. So basically we're averaging not each

2036
02:00:37,760 --> 02:00:41,680
Speaker 1: region has has the eighteen teams in it, so this

2037
02:00:41,840 --> 02:00:44,480
Speaker 1: current so I know I'm confusing things there. So right

2038
02:00:44,480 --> 02:00:47,840
Speaker 1: now we're six four regions, sixteen teams, and then of

2039
02:00:47,920 --> 02:00:51,760
Speaker 1: course we have two round of sixteen playans, so we

2040
02:00:51,840 --> 02:00:56,800
Speaker 1: have six sixteen seeds and six eleven seeds. My proposal

2041
02:00:56,840 --> 02:01:00,280
Speaker 1: would have four regions, twenty four teams in each region,

2042
02:01:00,320 --> 02:01:04,240
Speaker 1: giving New Year ninety six teams. If you have a

2043
02:01:04,320 --> 02:01:07,080
Speaker 1: seed of one through eight, there's only one team in

2044
02:01:07,160 --> 02:01:10,400
Speaker 1: each of those regions, so eight teams per region, so

2045
02:01:10,520 --> 02:01:14,320
Speaker 1: only so you'll have four to one seeds still, four

2046
02:01:14,320 --> 02:01:16,840
Speaker 1: to two seeds, four eight seeds right all the way

2047
02:01:16,880 --> 02:01:20,120
Speaker 1: one through eight. Four of each seed, seeds nine through

2048
02:01:20,240 --> 02:01:24,560
Speaker 1: sixteen in each region would have two teams on that line,

2049
02:01:24,600 --> 02:01:27,640
Speaker 1: there'd be two nine seeds in each region, two ten

2050
02:01:27,760 --> 02:01:34,800
Speaker 1: seeds right, sixteen teams seeded nine through sixteen, all whom

2051
02:01:34,800 --> 02:01:38,640
Speaker 1: would play each other eight teams seeded one through eight

2052
02:01:41,600 --> 02:01:43,800
Speaker 1: the first round. The playing games would also be done

2053
02:01:43,840 --> 02:01:45,760
Speaker 1: on Tuesday Wednesday, just like they are now with the

2054
02:01:45,800 --> 02:01:48,240
Speaker 1: first four. Right now, they're two games on Tuesday, nine,

2055
02:01:48,560 --> 02:01:52,560
Speaker 1: two games on Wednesday night. So now, in order to

2056
02:01:52,640 --> 02:01:57,400
Speaker 1: have all these nine through sixteen playings in the four regions.

2057
02:01:57,440 --> 02:02:03,920
Speaker 1: You'd have to have thirty two playing games to instead

2058
02:02:03,960 --> 02:02:07,120
Speaker 1: of what we have now, which is four, and you

2059
02:02:07,120 --> 02:02:10,000
Speaker 1: would have sixteen of them on Tuesday and sixteen of

2060
02:02:10,080 --> 02:02:14,680
Speaker 1: them on Wednesday, and you still start your tournament one

2061
02:02:14,760 --> 02:02:19,880
Speaker 1: through sixty four on Thursday and the next first round

2062
02:02:19,920 --> 02:02:24,240
Speaker 1: game set of games on Friday. So the math is

2063
02:02:24,280 --> 02:02:29,080
Speaker 1: pretty simple. We've already done this now know all these

2064
02:02:29,160 --> 02:02:33,480
Speaker 1: games wouldn't be in Dayton. What you would simply do is,

2065
02:02:34,000 --> 02:02:37,920
Speaker 1: whoever the first round host city is, Instead of hosting

2066
02:02:39,240 --> 02:02:46,160
Speaker 1: Thursday Saturday or Friday Sunday, they host Tuesday, Thursday, Saturday, Wednesday,

2067
02:02:46,320 --> 02:02:51,760
Speaker 1: Friday Sunday. So you're cutting down in the travel right,

2068
02:02:52,720 --> 02:02:54,920
Speaker 1: and you see it everybody. And if you're asking right,

2069
02:02:55,000 --> 02:02:59,400
Speaker 1: the one through ninety six, right, all the nine seeds

2070
02:03:00,080 --> 02:03:01,880
Speaker 1: are ahead of all the ten seeds. If you're doing

2071
02:03:01,920 --> 02:03:04,760
Speaker 1: the s curve, all the ten seeds are heading eleven seeds.

2072
02:03:05,040 --> 02:03:08,600
Speaker 1: And look, you might make slight adjustments here there to

2073
02:03:09,000 --> 02:03:13,280
Speaker 1: maybe prevent playing game rematches. You know, maybe you can't

2074
02:03:13,440 --> 02:03:16,200
Speaker 1: prevent rematches in the first in the in the in

2075
02:03:16,280 --> 02:03:18,120
Speaker 1: the round of sixty four or the round of thirty two,

2076
02:03:18,280 --> 02:03:20,520
Speaker 1: but you do your best in the round of ninety

2077
02:03:20,600 --> 02:03:24,120
Speaker 1: six to do this. But here's what it would give you,

2078
02:03:25,520 --> 02:03:30,680
Speaker 1: more basketball. We like more basketball, more inventory, more one

2079
02:03:30,760 --> 02:03:35,080
Speaker 1: and donees. Ninety six teams. Look, we have it now

2080
02:03:35,400 --> 02:03:37,120
Speaker 1: arguably right. You want to know what the other thirty

2081
02:03:37,160 --> 02:03:40,680
Speaker 1: two teams are. Just go to the NIT, right, and

2082
02:03:41,000 --> 02:03:44,920
Speaker 1: it would be teams like Auburn. Maybe my GW makes it,

2083
02:03:45,040 --> 02:03:46,880
Speaker 1: Maybe they don't. I don't think they do. But Dayton

2084
02:03:46,960 --> 02:03:50,720
Speaker 1: probably gets in, but it probably would, you know improve

2085
02:03:51,000 --> 02:03:53,160
Speaker 1: you know the eight ten probably becomes four to five

2086
02:03:53,280 --> 02:03:57,320
Speaker 1: or six bid league. Yeah, the SEC maybe becomes a

2087
02:03:57,360 --> 02:04:03,200
Speaker 1: fourteen bid league, twelve bid league, who knows? Right, But

2088
02:04:03,360 --> 02:04:07,960
Speaker 1: you give a chance to the mid majors. Yes, the

2089
02:04:08,080 --> 02:04:15,920
Speaker 1: obstacle is higher, there's more inclusivity, there's we have plenty

2090
02:04:16,120 --> 02:04:21,360
Speaker 1: of talent, right. The NBA is expanding while I well,

2091
02:04:21,360 --> 02:04:23,400
Speaker 1: you could argue they have a couple of week franchises

2092
02:04:23,440 --> 02:04:26,080
Speaker 1: now that they ought to probably move rather than add teams,

2093
02:04:26,200 --> 02:04:29,320
Speaker 1: but they can't. They act. The reason the NBA is

2094
02:04:29,360 --> 02:04:32,480
Speaker 1: expanding is there's enough talent around the world to fill it,

2095
02:04:33,760 --> 02:04:36,440
Speaker 1: and we're now learning there's enough talent to we have

2096
02:04:37,240 --> 02:04:40,960
Speaker 1: you absolutely the ninety sixth team is no, it would

2097
02:04:41,000 --> 02:04:42,520
Speaker 1: be the same as what you see now with the

2098
02:04:42,880 --> 02:04:46,480
Speaker 1: with the sixteen seeds, but take the eighty first team

2099
02:04:46,600 --> 02:04:51,240
Speaker 1: in that thing. The difference between the I'll tell you

2100
02:04:51,360 --> 02:04:54,600
Speaker 1: right now, I think it's Nevada is playing Auburn in

2101
02:04:54,680 --> 02:04:57,320
Speaker 1: an NIT game to I think decide who goes to

2102
02:04:57,400 --> 02:05:03,760
Speaker 1: the NIT semis Nevada is. It's probably as competitive as

2103
02:05:03,840 --> 02:05:05,920
Speaker 1: Salute they could be. You know, you could put them

2104
02:05:05,960 --> 02:05:07,880
Speaker 1: in a nine seed, or you could say they just

2105
02:05:08,280 --> 02:05:12,440
Speaker 1: you know, weren't quite good enough to get in and

2106
02:05:12,720 --> 02:05:15,440
Speaker 1: be in an eleven seed plan. But they're not that

2107
02:05:15,640 --> 02:05:19,200
Speaker 1: far out of it, you know, and they've done better

2108
02:05:19,240 --> 02:05:21,240
Speaker 1: in their conference tournament. They may have ended up as

2109
02:05:21,240 --> 02:05:25,160
Speaker 1: an eleven seed plan. I think when you look at

2110
02:05:25,200 --> 02:05:32,760
Speaker 1: the teams seeded nine through twelve, Okay in particular, the

2111
02:05:32,840 --> 02:05:36,880
Speaker 1: difference between those sixteen teams and the thirty two teams

2112
02:05:36,960 --> 02:05:41,120
Speaker 1: that are in the NIT is negligible. So all you're

2113
02:05:41,120 --> 02:05:42,920
Speaker 1: doing is expanding that pool, and you know what, you're

2114
02:05:42,960 --> 02:05:45,000
Speaker 1: giving shots to these mid majors to do what they're

2115
02:05:45,000 --> 02:05:49,680
Speaker 1: going to do. It gives the mid majors the exposure

2116
02:05:49,760 --> 02:05:55,000
Speaker 1: in a national setting. Everybody makes more money. Oh did

2117
02:05:55,040 --> 02:05:57,280
Speaker 1: I leave that part out right? They answered, all your

2118
02:05:57,360 --> 02:06:01,120
Speaker 1: questions as money. Sometimes your problems is money. Everybody would

2119
02:06:01,120 --> 02:06:04,800
Speaker 1: make more money. You can still go back to the

2120
02:06:04,880 --> 02:06:07,720
Speaker 1: sixty four if you wanted to do that. You have

2121
02:06:07,840 --> 02:06:10,840
Speaker 1: the fun little there's just it is only going to

2122
02:06:10,920 --> 02:06:17,000
Speaker 1: be more fan friendly. It will Who cares about the

2123
02:06:17,120 --> 02:06:19,760
Speaker 1: arguments between ninety seven, ninety eight and ninety nine. Who's

2124
02:06:19,840 --> 02:06:22,120
Speaker 1: left out right? Nobody cares about those teams at that

2125
02:06:22,200 --> 02:06:26,880
Speaker 1: point anymore. You know, the best teams are getting a

2126
02:06:26,920 --> 02:06:31,200
Speaker 1: shot at this tournament. This tournament is semi random, but

2127
02:06:31,400 --> 02:06:33,920
Speaker 1: it does seem the best does flow to the top.

2128
02:06:36,560 --> 02:06:40,160
Speaker 1: You're still likely going to have the top conferences dominate

2129
02:06:40,240 --> 02:06:42,360
Speaker 1: the final four when all of a sudden done. But

2130
02:06:42,480 --> 02:06:45,640
Speaker 1: you're given the mid majors more shots and guess what,

2131
02:06:45,880 --> 02:06:48,800
Speaker 1: more shots on goal mean more pucks might go into

2132
02:06:48,840 --> 02:06:52,920
Speaker 1: the goal, and you're going to have and it brings

2133
02:06:53,080 --> 02:06:58,920
Speaker 1: back that long shot, It brings back the opportunity of

2134
02:06:59,160 --> 02:07:04,360
Speaker 1: more cinders. And at the same time it gives an

2135
02:07:04,400 --> 02:07:07,160
Speaker 1: advantage to the power conferences because most of them are

2136
02:07:07,240 --> 02:07:12,520
Speaker 1: going to get essentially a first round by so whoever

2137
02:07:12,600 --> 02:07:15,520
Speaker 1: they face. And yes, sometimes those teams with fresher legs

2138
02:07:15,520 --> 02:07:17,760
Speaker 1: are going to win a first round game. But guess

2139
02:07:17,840 --> 02:07:19,760
Speaker 1: what if you lose a first round game to somebody

2140
02:07:19,760 --> 02:07:21,240
Speaker 1: you're not supposed to lose, you probably weren't going to

2141
02:07:21,280 --> 02:07:24,640
Speaker 1: win the whole thing anyway, so we've gotten you out

2142
02:07:24,640 --> 02:07:30,840
Speaker 1: of the way. Anyway, This is the answer. It needs

2143
02:07:30,880 --> 02:07:34,960
Speaker 1: to go to ninety six. It takes more. Look, my

2144
02:07:35,160 --> 02:07:37,879
Speaker 1: goal in all of sports is to take the subject

2145
02:07:38,120 --> 02:07:40,840
Speaker 1: take as much subjectivity out of the situations as you

2146
02:07:40,920 --> 02:07:45,600
Speaker 1: possibly can, lee let the committees do seating. This minimizes

2147
02:07:45,640 --> 02:07:47,680
Speaker 1: how much the committee's decide who gets in and who

2148
02:07:47,720 --> 02:07:50,800
Speaker 1: gets out, and you sort of get rid of all

2149
02:07:50,840 --> 02:07:53,120
Speaker 1: of that issue because once you hit ninety six, you're

2150
02:07:53,200 --> 02:07:55,760
Speaker 1: just not It's that you can have arguments about seeding

2151
02:07:55,800 --> 02:07:57,520
Speaker 1: and who gets to nine seed. Who gets the eight

2152
02:07:57,600 --> 02:08:01,000
Speaker 1: seed becomes really important, right who void's the first four,

2153
02:08:01,720 --> 02:08:03,720
Speaker 1: first two day, you know, the round of ninety six,

2154
02:08:03,800 --> 02:08:11,000
Speaker 1: and who doesn't. That's kind of fun. But I think

2155
02:08:11,080 --> 02:08:14,240
Speaker 1: that this would solve a lot of problems and essentially

2156
02:08:14,360 --> 02:08:18,960
Speaker 1: be ultimately good for everybody. Good for the future of

2157
02:08:19,000 --> 02:08:25,160
Speaker 1: college basketball, good for smaller schools trying to elevate their brands,

2158
02:08:26,200 --> 02:08:28,360
Speaker 1: Good for basketball players who don't feel like they have

2159
02:08:28,520 --> 02:08:31,360
Speaker 1: to go to the super powerful conferences in order to

2160
02:08:31,400 --> 02:08:34,480
Speaker 1: get some attention in the tournament. It might keep people

2161
02:08:34,640 --> 02:08:42,800
Speaker 1: playing closer to home, and it guarantees that you always

2162
02:08:42,840 --> 02:08:45,960
Speaker 1: have the best teams and that I think ultimately making

2163
02:08:46,000 --> 02:08:48,800
Speaker 1: it towards the end or at least the hottest teams

2164
02:08:49,240 --> 02:08:54,360
Speaker 1: on that front. So there's your answer, give me a

2165
02:08:54,440 --> 02:08:59,000
Speaker 1: ninety sixteen NCAA tournament. I think in some ways NIL

2166
02:08:59,320 --> 02:09:02,000
Speaker 1: is demanding it. In the one five years ago, I

2167
02:09:02,080 --> 02:09:05,880
Speaker 1: might have argued against it because the quality in that

2168
02:09:06,760 --> 02:09:10,760
Speaker 1: distinction from sixty four to ninety six was shit. That's

2169
02:09:10,840 --> 02:09:14,120
Speaker 1: not the case anymore. That's not the case at all.

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02:09:14,320 --> 02:09:16,400
Speaker 1: It's just there is a lot more talent out there,

2171
02:09:16,440 --> 02:09:22,560
Speaker 1: a lot more and the entire globe is being recruited now,

2172
02:09:22,800 --> 02:09:24,960
Speaker 1: not just for the pros, but for college. It's why

2173
02:09:25,040 --> 02:09:30,640
Speaker 1: the NBA can comfortably add two more fifteen man rosters.

2174
02:09:31,720 --> 02:09:33,080
Speaker 1: The talent is there to do this.

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02:09:35,120 --> 02:09:35,200
Speaker 2: Now.

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02:09:35,280 --> 02:09:39,280
Speaker 1: They may not have the right markets. Maybe Memphis needs

2177
02:09:39,320 --> 02:09:41,440
Speaker 1: to be they move the Memphis team to Nashville. Maybe

2178
02:09:41,480 --> 02:09:47,360
Speaker 1: New Orleans needs to go to another place. But Seattle

2179
02:09:47,400 --> 02:09:50,200
Speaker 1: and Vegas also are pretty good places to do this,

2180
02:09:50,280 --> 02:09:55,880
Speaker 1: and who knows, maybe, and we're getting awfully close as

2181
02:09:55,920 --> 02:09:58,240
Speaker 1: soon as we figure out how to speed up air travel.

2182
02:10:00,680 --> 02:10:04,720
Speaker 1: London and Madrid and Paris are coming, so we know

2183
02:10:04,920 --> 02:10:10,000
Speaker 1: this is going. You know, the talent is there. This

2184
02:10:10,240 --> 02:10:14,840
Speaker 1: isn't difficult to do. There is really no logistic barrier here.

2185
02:10:16,080 --> 02:10:19,200
Speaker 1: And with so many media partners out there looking for

2186
02:10:19,280 --> 02:10:22,280
Speaker 1: a piece of the mid March Madness action, I promise

2187
02:10:22,320 --> 02:10:25,200
Speaker 1: you there's more money to be made too. So Charlie Baker,

2188
02:10:26,040 --> 02:10:29,000
Speaker 1: there it is. You don't have to change a thing.

2189
02:10:31,120 --> 02:10:33,440
Speaker 1: There's your proposal. It's all wrapped up in a nice boat.

2190
02:10:34,000 --> 02:10:36,120
Speaker 1: Let's get it implemented in the next couple of years.

2191
02:10:37,280 --> 02:10:44,640
Speaker 1: Today's opening day. It's the most hopeful time of the year. No,

2192
02:10:44,920 --> 02:10:46,920
Speaker 1: I have no clue how the hell I'm supposed to

2193
02:10:46,960 --> 02:10:49,440
Speaker 1: watch the Nats. I know I will figure it out.

2194
02:10:50,680 --> 02:10:52,680
Speaker 1: There's a great article in The Athletic that I would

2195
02:10:52,680 --> 02:10:56,040
Speaker 1: love to tell people about, and they just use the

2196
02:10:56,240 --> 02:10:58,280
Speaker 1: Yankees at an example. If you wanted to guarantee to

2197
02:10:58,320 --> 02:11:00,520
Speaker 1: watch every single Yankee game that's gonna be a on TV,

2198
02:11:00,560 --> 02:11:04,600
Speaker 1: it would cost you eight hundred dollars in subscriptions between

2199
02:11:04,840 --> 02:11:10,480
Speaker 1: Prime Cable for the S Network, MLB, Peete Cock everything

2200
02:11:10,560 --> 02:11:12,080
Speaker 1: that you would have to buy to see every yankingam.

2201
02:11:12,080 --> 02:11:13,800
Speaker 1: I thought that was a pretty good exercise that they did,

2202
02:11:14,720 --> 02:11:19,240
Speaker 1: essentially about eight hundred bucks to see everything. Hey, MLB,

2203
02:11:19,640 --> 02:11:21,240
Speaker 1: you need to fix this a sep. I have no

2204
02:11:21,360 --> 02:11:23,080
Speaker 1: clue how the hell I'm watching the Nats. I assume

2205
02:11:23,120 --> 02:11:25,440
Speaker 1: I have to pay some fee directly to the Nats,

2206
02:11:25,600 --> 02:11:27,640
Speaker 1: of an extra ten bucks a month, whatever it's going

2207
02:11:27,680 --> 02:11:30,240
Speaker 1: to be, it's really going to irritate me as a

2208
02:11:30,320 --> 02:11:32,600
Speaker 1: season ticket holder. I don't think I should have to

2209
02:11:32,640 --> 02:11:35,960
Speaker 1: pay any extra money to watch them on TV. I

2210
02:11:36,080 --> 02:11:39,240
Speaker 1: think that ought to be a perk of season ticket holders,

2211
02:11:39,400 --> 02:11:45,720
Speaker 1: mister Lerner, that all access to Nats games should be

2212
02:11:45,960 --> 02:11:51,040
Speaker 1: available to season ticket holders. And perhaps you already have

2213
02:11:51,160 --> 02:11:53,840
Speaker 1: that somewhere. Maybe you wait for us to ask, but

2214
02:11:53,920 --> 02:11:58,080
Speaker 1: that should be an obvious perk how this whole thing works.

2215
02:12:00,280 --> 02:12:03,400
Speaker 1: It certainly should be, because right now there's no good

2216
02:12:03,440 --> 02:12:07,560
Speaker 1: reason to have season tickets, So in some ways, using

2217
02:12:08,080 --> 02:12:12,480
Speaker 1: access to television coverage as adding that in as a

2218
02:12:12,560 --> 02:12:17,880
Speaker 1: perk probably will make it a lot easier to still

2219
02:12:18,040 --> 02:12:22,960
Speaker 1: continue to convince people to buy season ticket packages, because

2220
02:12:23,000 --> 02:12:27,520
Speaker 1: those things matter. So look, I've got two fantasy baseball

2221
02:12:27,560 --> 02:12:29,800
Speaker 1: drafts this weekend, so I'm obviously knee deep in baseball.

2222
02:12:30,880 --> 02:12:32,960
Speaker 1: But I did a fun little thing. I've been going

2223
02:12:33,000 --> 02:12:35,080
Speaker 1: through all the rankings, and I thought, so I used AI.

2224
02:12:35,600 --> 02:12:41,720
Speaker 1: I put the top six hundred rankings into Claude, and

2225
02:12:41,880 --> 02:12:45,040
Speaker 1: I said, hey, divide this up by teams, so I

2226
02:12:45,160 --> 02:12:48,640
Speaker 1: know which teams have the most, you know, in the

2227
02:12:48,720 --> 02:12:51,320
Speaker 1: top six hundred. And I thought it was a fun

2228
02:12:51,400 --> 02:12:56,400
Speaker 1: little exercise. Well it is. The Dodgers won, the Yankees two,

2229
02:12:56,600 --> 02:12:59,360
Speaker 1: the Cubs three, the Phillies four, and the Mariners five,

2230
02:12:59,480 --> 02:13:03,320
Speaker 1: all of them or playoff teams right six through ten,

2231
02:13:03,440 --> 02:13:06,960
Speaker 1: or the Braves, Mets, Red Sox in the Guardians and Brewers.

2232
02:13:08,320 --> 02:13:11,400
Speaker 1: And it's the next five that I'm the most curious about.

2233
02:13:11,480 --> 02:13:13,280
Speaker 1: And these are the teams because I don't have a

2234
02:13:13,360 --> 02:13:16,400
Speaker 1: team to root for this year that I know is

2235
02:13:16,440 --> 02:13:18,000
Speaker 1: going to be a playoff team. I'm just hoping the

2236
02:13:18,080 --> 02:13:20,960
Speaker 1: Nationals don't lose hunter games, all right. I am just

2237
02:13:21,120 --> 02:13:25,480
Speaker 1: you know, please, please, please please please win sixty three games.

2238
02:13:25,680 --> 02:13:28,280
Speaker 1: It's all I'm asking. They had a couple of seventy

2239
02:13:28,320 --> 02:13:30,240
Speaker 1: one win seasons a couple of years ago. I thought, oh,

2240
02:13:30,280 --> 02:13:32,600
Speaker 1: we're on our way to eighty this point. Just give

2241
02:13:32,680 --> 02:13:36,320
Speaker 1: me sixty three please don't embarrass us beyond that. And

2242
02:13:36,720 --> 02:13:41,960
Speaker 1: by the way, my god, right, I think it is

2243
02:13:42,080 --> 02:13:46,480
Speaker 1: funny how Dan Schnyder covered up the inequities of sports

2244
02:13:46,520 --> 02:13:51,280
Speaker 1: owners in DC. But he did. But I digress. If

2245
02:13:51,400 --> 02:13:54,280
Speaker 1: I were, you know, the dark corps, what I'm interested in.

2246
02:13:54,440 --> 02:14:00,280
Speaker 1: We know Dodgers, Yankees, Blue Jays, Mariners that feel that

2247
02:14:00,400 --> 02:14:03,440
Speaker 1: feels like you know, you know, probably Tigers are in there, right,

2248
02:14:04,360 --> 02:14:06,840
Speaker 1: those are your World Series contenders, but sort of the

2249
02:14:06,960 --> 02:14:09,160
Speaker 1: under you know, somebody is going to come from out

2250
02:14:09,200 --> 02:14:12,200
Speaker 1: of nowhere under the radar, right was arguably the Mariners

2251
02:14:12,440 --> 02:14:15,000
Speaker 1: and the Blue Jays were two of those teams. So

2252
02:14:15,160 --> 02:14:17,600
Speaker 1: the hot under the radar team that I'm pulling for

2253
02:14:17,760 --> 02:14:19,840
Speaker 1: is the Pirates. So I always try to have a

2254
02:14:20,480 --> 02:14:23,160
Speaker 1: young team that I'm pulling for that I love schemes.

2255
02:14:25,000 --> 02:14:27,480
Speaker 1: They have a really young team. I love the history

2256
02:14:27,480 --> 02:14:31,480
Speaker 1: of the Pirates. I love that community. As you know.

2257
02:14:31,640 --> 02:14:34,320
Speaker 1: Dynastic my new sports history podcast with Ja and Donde,

2258
02:14:34,400 --> 02:14:36,600
Speaker 1: our first episodes about the Dodgers, or second episode is

2259
02:14:36,640 --> 02:14:40,720
Speaker 1: gonna be about Pittsburgh Steelers. But before they were the Steelers,

2260
02:14:40,760 --> 02:14:44,440
Speaker 1: the most successful Pittsburgh franchise was the Pirates. It's been

2261
02:14:44,480 --> 02:14:47,360
Speaker 1: a debacle the last forty years, but it was, you know,

2262
02:14:47,520 --> 02:14:49,960
Speaker 1: up until Barry Bonds left, it was the Pirates were

2263
02:14:50,040 --> 02:14:56,640
Speaker 1: consistently one of the better franchises in baseball. I certainly

2264
02:14:56,720 --> 02:14:58,520
Speaker 1: hope this is a year that they do because I

2265
02:14:58,560 --> 02:15:01,360
Speaker 1: think if they can get to the playoff, then those

2266
02:15:01,440 --> 02:15:04,080
Speaker 1: owners will finally spend some money and then maybe the

2267
02:15:04,160 --> 02:15:07,440
Speaker 1: Pirates can can can behave and like a major market team.

2268
02:15:08,600 --> 02:15:11,240
Speaker 1: But the teams the sort of I'm gonna be. Look,

2269
02:15:11,440 --> 02:15:14,120
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be sort of you know, rooting for the Orioles.

2270
02:15:14,280 --> 02:15:16,960
Speaker 1: They're in the region, they have all the talent in

2271
02:15:17,000 --> 02:15:20,640
Speaker 1: the world. I have way too many Adlie Rushman rookie

2272
02:15:20,680 --> 02:15:22,120
Speaker 1: cards that I can't get rid of. So I'd really

2273
02:15:22,160 --> 02:15:26,960
Speaker 1: love to see him uh get his uh, get get

2274
02:15:27,040 --> 02:15:31,400
Speaker 1: his get his mojo back. We'll see if he does,

2275
02:15:31,600 --> 02:15:34,040
Speaker 1: because he's got some motivation. There's a catcher behind him,

2276
02:15:34,080 --> 02:15:37,680
Speaker 1: Sam Bassalo, I believe his name, who who could overtake him?

2277
02:15:38,360 --> 02:15:40,880
Speaker 1: But that's sort of the fun to me for this season.

2278
02:15:41,040 --> 02:15:42,480
Speaker 1: We know who the top teams are going to be.

2279
02:15:43,040 --> 02:15:46,000
Speaker 1: Who's a team we're not expecting that's going to break through, right?

2280
02:15:46,120 --> 02:15:54,640
Speaker 1: And my candidates are Oriols. Royals, the hated San Francisco Giants.

2281
02:15:54,760 --> 02:15:56,880
Speaker 1: I'm a former Dodger fan, I still hate the Giants,

2282
02:15:58,480 --> 02:16:02,160
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna go with the sacrament This is there

2283
02:16:02,280 --> 02:16:04,720
Speaker 1: last year in that bandbox park, so they're going to

2284
02:16:04,800 --> 02:16:08,320
Speaker 1: have I mean, I love the A's is. Anytime you

2285
02:16:08,400 --> 02:16:10,560
Speaker 1: need a fantasy hit or just grab an A, grab

2286
02:16:10,600 --> 02:16:12,600
Speaker 1: a Sacramento A because they're going to hit more homers

2287
02:16:12,600 --> 02:16:15,120
Speaker 1: than they should. Right last year, I was all over

2288
02:16:15,240 --> 02:16:17,800
Speaker 1: Jacob Wilson one dollar shortstop, turned out to be brilliant

2289
02:16:18,040 --> 02:16:20,520
Speaker 1: near Rookie of the Year. Nick Kurtz is on that team.

2290
02:16:21,160 --> 02:16:25,800
Speaker 1: So those are my dark horses. But I'm just excited

2291
02:16:25,840 --> 02:16:31,000
Speaker 1: about having baseball back because there's nothing like what I

2292
02:16:31,160 --> 02:16:35,840
Speaker 1: love is coming. You've done with the day, you know,

2293
02:16:36,680 --> 02:16:39,520
Speaker 1: you have your relaxation drink, whatever your choice is. If

2294
02:16:39,520 --> 02:16:41,400
Speaker 1: you're going to get sold, you get sold. If you're

2295
02:16:41,480 --> 02:16:44,720
Speaker 1: gonna get glass of red wine, you do that, and

2296
02:16:44,800 --> 02:16:46,840
Speaker 1: you put on the ballgame. Now. Of course, we just

2297
02:16:46,920 --> 02:16:48,240
Speaker 1: have to figure out where the hell we find the

2298
02:16:48,320 --> 02:16:52,600
Speaker 1: ball games this year. But when we find them, that rhythm,

2299
02:16:52,920 --> 02:16:56,320
Speaker 1: the evening rhythm, nice to an hour and twenty minute game.

2300
02:16:56,959 --> 02:17:00,560
Speaker 1: I love it so like my big hope Nationals have

2301
02:17:00,640 --> 02:17:02,480
Speaker 1: to go one to O so I have one happy

2302
02:17:02,560 --> 02:17:17,240
Speaker 1: day in baseball this year. All right. First question comes

2303
02:17:17,280 --> 02:17:20,680
Speaker 1: from Steve Vernon Hills, Illinois, and he says, ah, he's

2304
02:17:20,720 --> 02:17:24,320
Speaker 1: writing in reaction to my top five all time Illinois

2305
02:17:24,320 --> 02:17:26,720
Speaker 1: statewide campaigns, and he writes, Hey, the eighty six gover

2306
02:17:26,800 --> 02:17:29,119
Speaker 1: race with Adelaide the third deserves to be on the list.

2307
02:17:29,200 --> 02:17:31,320
Speaker 1: As an Adelaide fan since nineteen seventy, I banged on

2308
02:17:31,400 --> 02:17:33,800
Speaker 1: doors for his first Senate campaign in high school. It

2309
02:17:33,840 --> 02:17:36,720
Speaker 1: was especially painful. I suppose the Lincoln Douglas eighteen fifty

2310
02:17:36,720 --> 02:17:38,720
Speaker 1: eight campaign needs to be number one. You're not the

2311
02:17:38,800 --> 02:17:40,480
Speaker 1: only one that asked me about eighteen fifty eight. I'll

2312
02:17:40,480 --> 02:17:42,120
Speaker 1: get to it in a minute. Best debates and it

2313
02:17:42,200 --> 02:17:45,120
Speaker 1: made a president. Love the podcast, but almost too much.

2314
02:17:45,160 --> 02:17:48,359
Speaker 1: Don't have time for out Frankens anymore, and I'm retired.

2315
02:17:49,120 --> 02:17:52,160
Speaker 1: Oh hey, Al, I don't know if you still listen.

2316
02:17:52,560 --> 02:17:54,280
Speaker 1: Franken and I were supposed to do a home and

2317
02:17:54,400 --> 02:17:55,879
Speaker 1: n way in our pods, and I think we're going

2318
02:17:55,959 --> 02:18:00,240
Speaker 1: to hopefully get that done soon. But no, don't make out.

2319
02:18:01,040 --> 02:18:03,840
Speaker 1: Don't make al. I'm unhappy, but you know I appreciate

2320
02:18:03,879 --> 02:18:06,280
Speaker 1: that I'm the lead pod for either. Let me tell

2321
02:18:06,280 --> 02:18:08,160
Speaker 1: you why I didn't include eighteen fifty eight and why

2322
02:18:08,240 --> 02:18:11,720
Speaker 1: I just I just made this decision when I put

2323
02:18:11,800 --> 02:18:13,760
Speaker 1: the research together for that book. I told you this

2324
02:18:13,920 --> 02:18:15,680
Speaker 1: was research I did for a book about thirty years ago,

2325
02:18:16,959 --> 02:18:20,840
Speaker 1: and I just decided not to include any campaigns that

2326
02:18:21,000 --> 02:18:23,760
Speaker 1: were not resolved by the voters. Right. And the eighteen

2327
02:18:23,800 --> 02:18:26,480
Speaker 1: fifty eight Senate campaign, Yes, it's the Lincoln Douglas debates,

2328
02:18:26,520 --> 02:18:30,320
Speaker 1: So it's it's it's iconic, and maybe because of that

2329
02:18:32,120 --> 02:18:34,200
Speaker 1: it should. If there is an exception, that would be

2330
02:18:34,280 --> 02:18:36,840
Speaker 1: the loan exception. But it was simply because it's a

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Speaker 1: campaign that the state legislature, right, because Lincoln won the campaign,

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Speaker 1: but he didn't, right, you know, I mean, yes, the

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Speaker 1: debates mattered, the right, that mattered in some ways more

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Speaker 1: than the result itself. But a very very very fair

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Speaker 1: question I asked you weren't the only one, and I

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Speaker 1: was glad to get that. So that's I didn't include it.

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Speaker 1: But you know, I already made one exception of Illinois

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Speaker 1: to include a presidential where I don't want to include

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Speaker 1: any presidential but that one felt iconic because it's been

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Speaker 1: used it's been so weaponized in our politics to this day.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: Next question comes from Josh P. You're right trually enjoying

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Speaker 1: your podcast. Thank you for all the hard work involved.

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Speaker 1: I meet the press this morning. Referring to March twenty second,

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Speaker 1: Treasury Secretary Scott Besson told Kristen Welker, we are energy

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Speaker 1: self sufficient. We get an oil from the Strait of Hormuz.

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Speaker 1: If this is true, why have our gas prices risen

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Speaker 1: a dollar or more since we started bombing around? Thank you,

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Speaker 1: Josh b Well, I think you know the answer. The

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Speaker 1: markets of the markets and that and it's you know,

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Speaker 1: when twenty percent of you know, yes, where do we

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Speaker 1: get our oil? We get our oil more from you know,

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Speaker 1: we are more energy independent than we even were thirty

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Speaker 1: years ago. But twenty percent of the world, particularly Asia,

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Speaker 1: gets it from And when you start right, it just

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Speaker 1: raises it. It's a market, right, when you suddenly deny

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Speaker 1: supply in one part of the world, then people start

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Speaker 1: looking where there is supply and they start bidding it

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Speaker 1: up because they're desperate for it. So are you know,

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Speaker 1: unless we decided to manipulate our market or have state

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Speaker 1: you know this, this is where you would have state

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Speaker 1: controls and stuff. I don't think anybody would be in

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Speaker 1: favor of that. So it is all Scott Bessant and

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Speaker 1: essentially was making the case for us that our economy

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Speaker 1: isn't going to crater because we don't get and that

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Speaker 1: is true. But we're all going to get taxed on this,

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Speaker 1: and essentially we're all going to pay an extra fee

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Speaker 1: for the inability of oil to get through the straight

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Speaker 1: of hormones to Asia. So it's just, you know, there's there,

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Speaker 1: you know, unless when you want price controls on this

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Speaker 1: from the government, which I think long term nobody would

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Speaker 1: want to see that happen. Next question comes from Donovan

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Speaker 1: from Maryland. He says, Hey, Chuck, huge fan of the podcast,

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Speaker 1: looking forward to the Commanders getting a solid draft pick

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Speaker 1: next month. Yam, it's all about Jeremiah Love, right, that's

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Speaker 1: all the new draft experts are going there if you

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Speaker 1: believe that the Commanders don't need it. Offensive Lineman, I'd

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Speaker 1: love to see Jeremiah Love on that team anyway. Many

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Speaker 1: Americans feel that national politics has become so dominant that

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Speaker 1: it drowns out the local officials who actually shape our

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Speaker 1: daily lives, our mayor's county, executive, state legislatures. How do

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Speaker 1: you think constituents can actively work to rebalance that power

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Speaker 1: dynamic so that Washington handles the big picture issues like defense, trade,

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Speaker 1: and foreign policy, while local leaders are empowered to address

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Speaker 1: the issues that directly affect our communities. Well, look, I

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Speaker 1: think this is an incredible great question. What I love

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Speaker 1: about it is that it's going to allow me to

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Speaker 1: rant about the loss of local media, because ultimately that's

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Speaker 1: the issue. So I think this is a couple things

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Speaker 1: have happened. Right, you got rid of right, a man

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Speaker 1: named Craig decided classifies out to be free, YadA, YadA, YadA.

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Speaker 1: We suddenly had no more local news. And when what

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Speaker 1: happens is when you don't have anybody covering locally, When

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Speaker 1: local residents are upset about something happening locally, they're none

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02:22:21,840 --> 02:22:24,160
Speaker 1: from They're not familiar with who their local officials are

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Speaker 1: because there's nothing to follow locally, so they're more likely

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Speaker 1: to know who the national officials are or who their

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Speaker 1: congressional officials are, so they end up gravitating towards the

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Speaker 1: federal office holders, towards the names they know, towards their

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Speaker 1: senators or congressman because I hear this, you know, you

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Speaker 1: get I teach these these and you know, I usually

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Speaker 1: have these students that I teach at You see a

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02:22:42,800 --> 02:22:44,920
Speaker 1: lot of them are interns on the hill and they're

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Speaker 1: basically they're they're they're the first line of defense, meaning

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02:22:47,680 --> 02:22:50,960
Speaker 1: they're answering the phones and they'll get a lot of

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Speaker 1: questions sometimes that have nothing to do with congressional with

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Speaker 1: federal policy, but their complaints about something happening locally that

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Speaker 1: they didn't know how who else to call. So you

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Speaker 1: have that issue, right, you got out local news and

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02:23:05,680 --> 02:23:09,880
Speaker 1: it and you have a less informed local community who

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Speaker 1: doesn't know why certain things are happening. There was a

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Speaker 1: great academic study, by the way, I believe it came

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Speaker 1: out of Stanford that noted that that when local news

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Speaker 1: organizations disappear, essentially within a couple of years, that community

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Speaker 1: tax bill goes up. Essentially when you get rid of

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Speaker 1: the local watchdog government Fiji to death and they can

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Speaker 1: sneak in stuff because nobody notices. All of a sudden,

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Speaker 1: you're like, huh, there's now a fee to do what

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Speaker 1: They just added a new recycling fee and my bill

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Speaker 1: here they did this to my water bill. They did

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Speaker 1: all these little thing and you're like, and you know,

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Speaker 1: it's a five percent surcharge here, three percent surcharge there.

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Speaker 1: Things that if somebody knew about it, there might be

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Speaker 1: enough people upset about it that there'd be enough of

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Speaker 1: a ground swell that the local politician, the local city councilman,

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Speaker 1: the local may etc. Would say, better not do this.

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Speaker 1: But there is a direct correlation between the lack of

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Speaker 1: local news and government essentially abusing its residents with more

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Speaker 1: tax and fee hikes. And I think that is the

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Speaker 1: and that gets at to the core of the of

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Speaker 1: the what your folk, which is you're right, I think

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Speaker 1: that it is. I guess my diagnosis is when you

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Speaker 1: lose local news, you you deny the population essentially access

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Speaker 1: to who all of their government officials are. And the

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02:24:48,600 --> 02:24:52,520
Speaker 1: irony is that a local elected official has more direct

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Speaker 1: impact on the cost of you of your life financially

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Speaker 1: than a member of Congress does, or a US senator does,

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Speaker 1: or frankly even a president. And you know, because you

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02:25:04,360 --> 02:25:06,039
Speaker 1: know one of your biggest bills that you pay every

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Speaker 1: year is your property tax bill. Well, that's usually decided

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Speaker 1: by a county official, a county executive or sometimes a city.

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Speaker 1: That's a big deal. Right, Your state income tax, your

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Speaker 1: state fees, you know, all the things, all the little things,

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Speaker 1: you know, whether it's to register your dog, whether it's

2445
02:25:22,720 --> 02:25:25,520
Speaker 1: to you know, get a permit to put up a fence. Right,

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02:25:25,800 --> 02:25:27,840
Speaker 1: all of this is money you pay to your local

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02:25:27,879 --> 02:25:36,720
Speaker 1: government directly. So you interact more with government that are

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Speaker 1: impacted by people that are elected within county districts or

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02:25:40,959 --> 02:25:45,320
Speaker 1: city districts than you are with government that's elected between

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Speaker 1: congressional districts or statewide. And I think that that unfortunately,

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02:25:49,920 --> 02:25:54,640
Speaker 1: I think have we always over indexed on covering federal

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02:25:54,680 --> 02:25:58,240
Speaker 1: and national politics at least this century, we have. I

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02:25:58,320 --> 02:26:00,040
Speaker 1: think that was the biggest nine to eleven effect. I

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Speaker 1: know this is a weird way of saying of invoking that,

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Speaker 1: but you know, nine to eleven really also was an

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Speaker 1: accelerant to nationalizing all news, including local news, became sort

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02:26:09,640 --> 02:26:12,560
Speaker 1: of derivative of national news because it was like we

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02:26:12,600 --> 02:26:14,440
Speaker 1: were in the shared you know, the shared environment. So

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02:26:14,520 --> 02:26:18,360
Speaker 1: it's just the nationalization of news consumption really sort of

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02:26:19,000 --> 02:26:25,720
Speaker 1: arguably really accelerated right after nine to eleven. And you know,

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Speaker 1: I think that we need to really sort of. That's

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Speaker 1: that's where my that's that's where the efforts are. I've

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Speaker 1: been trying to make remember local news days April ninth,

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Speaker 1: we basically an awareness day. Is the more people get

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Speaker 1: back to following finding ways to follow local news, the

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Speaker 1: more they're going to realize how much more their lives

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Speaker 1: are impacted by these local officials, as you point out, Tonovan,

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Speaker 1: so terrific question, Thank you for it. Next question comes

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Speaker 1: from Sean King, Colorado. Shawn asked, now, with Christy Nome

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Speaker 1: being kicked to the curb, I was wondering if she

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Speaker 1: has or had ambition to run for president twenty twenty eight.

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Speaker 1: I got the impression that with all our as the

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Speaker 1: DHS and taxpayers paid for, it was more than just

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Speaker 1: educating people on immigration and airport security, but positioning herself

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Speaker 1: so that she could draw interest as a candidate. I

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Speaker 1: mean seeing her wear DHS caps, cowboy hats, and riding

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Speaker 1: horses during her commercial struck me that she was trying

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Speaker 1: to brand herself as a badass woman. Did you get

2479
02:27:17,640 --> 02:27:20,560
Speaker 1: that impression? And do you think that now she's out

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Speaker 1: of Trump's orbit, she may have squandered her chances? Love

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Speaker 1: your podcast, keeping coming man one thousand percent. I mean,

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Speaker 1: there's no doubt. You know, Corey Lwandowski, who was her

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Speaker 1: chief political aid, and some would argue more than just

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Speaker 1: a chief political aid, was absolutely as somebody who was

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Speaker 1: the first campaign manager for Donald Trump. You know, he

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Speaker 1: was also the chief advocate of Christy Nome to be

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump's running in twenty twenty four. In fact, he

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Speaker 1: made no secret he had gotten polling con done and

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Speaker 1: he shared it with me and he shared it with

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Speaker 1: a lot of reporters in twenty twenty four that showed

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Speaker 1: he had polling that showed Chris adding more a Trump

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Speaker 1: Nome ticket performing better against Harris than a Trump Vance ticket.

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Speaker 1: So he there absolutely this was always about that. There

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Speaker 1: was some chatter that maybe she'd primary Mike Rounds, who's

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Speaker 1: up for reelection this cycle in twenty twenty six. I

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Speaker 1: believe that's not going to happen, and especially the way

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Speaker 1: she was kicked to the curb, and it's all, you know,

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Speaker 1: he gave her a job, member, he moved her. Technically,

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Speaker 1: she's got some made up job that he created about

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Speaker 1: the Western hemisphere. I think that was just designed to

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Speaker 1: not have her wandering around unemployed, talking trash. About the

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Speaker 1: Trump administration or Stephen Miller or others to reporters. So

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Speaker 1: I do think her presidential ambitions are derailed. But I

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Speaker 1: will tell you this, if John Thune decides not to

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Speaker 1: seek re election in twenty twenty eight, and I will

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Speaker 1: say this, I have no reason that think that he's

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Speaker 1: not going to seek reelection. But if Senate, if the

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Speaker 1: Democrats won the Senate and Thune's and it somehow costs

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Speaker 1: thune Is leadership post after the twenty six midterms, then

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Speaker 1: I don't think he seeks election twenty eight. Then I

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Speaker 1: would say that's the most likely landing spot for her

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Speaker 1: would be the US Senate in an open seat if

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Speaker 1: John Thune chose not to run in twenty eight. But look,

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Speaker 1: I think she wants to run for president. I think

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Speaker 1: she has that ambition. I just think that the realistic

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Speaker 1: paths are blocked for her, and I think if she is,

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Speaker 1: if she wins office in twenty twenty eight, it's more

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Speaker 1: likely to be an open US Senate seat in South

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Speaker 1: guess in some ways, you're you're asking a question that

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Speaker 1: I left you an open answer at the start of

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Speaker 1: this podcast, Right, I think it's a I think it's

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Speaker 1: more likely that there are some boots on the ground

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Speaker 1: to deal with the straight of hor moves than him

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Speaker 1: completely pulling out. If you were to ask me, which

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Speaker 1: is more likely now, I think we will. We will

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Speaker 1: having debates whether what he does is an invasion or not.

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Speaker 1: Is it boots on the ground or is it simply

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Speaker 1: boots on the straight of coastline, on the straight of

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Speaker 1: horm moves right like that sort of business. I think

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Speaker 1: that's it is. Do I think we're going to be

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02:31:54,360 --> 02:31:58,200
Speaker 1: marching on the streets of Tehran? I do not, But

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Speaker 1: I think the likelihood that there are American boots in

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02:32:01,360 --> 02:32:07,120
Speaker 1: Iranian territory is pretty high. So I guess if I

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02:32:07,200 --> 02:32:10,680
Speaker 1: could draw that distinction know and Tehran, yes, on the

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Speaker 1: coast near the Strait of Ormuz. Next question comes from

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Speaker 1: Mike and Honolulu. He says, I really appreciate the comments

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Speaker 1: and how the Iran War continues to unravel and demonstrate strained,

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02:32:23,640 --> 02:32:25,760
Speaker 1: if not damaged, relationships with allies and what feels like

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Speaker 1: a low attention of decades two decades of scenario planning

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Speaker 1: in the region. Also saw Wall Street Journal coverage of

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Speaker 1: the American Board Citizen one Carlos Valencia Gonzales taking over

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Speaker 1: Mexico's most powerful drug cartel and so wondering how degraded

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Speaker 1: our intelligence community is, and who is advising the administration

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Speaker 1: on probable outcomes that have a far reaching impact. Thanks

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Speaker 1: for your work, Mike Honolulu. Well, Mike, I have a

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02:32:45,720 --> 02:32:48,080
Speaker 1: bigger problem in the intel community, and I'm not going

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02:32:48,160 --> 02:32:49,880
Speaker 1: to I don't want to be careful. I don't want

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Speaker 1: to get any of my sources in trouble on this.

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Speaker 1: But it's pretty clear to me that we have two

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Speaker 1: things simultaneously happening in the intelligence commit at the moment.

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Speaker 1: Number one is they do not paint the full picture

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Speaker 1: for this president. Whether it's because they don't want to

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Speaker 1: tell them things he doesn't want to hear. I think

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Speaker 1: that's most likely the reason. When you look at Tulsa Gabbert,

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Speaker 1: John Radcliffe, Ratcliffe at the CIA, Gabbard's at d and I,

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Speaker 1: these are two people who do not want to be

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Speaker 1: in it, you know, who are more accustomed to telling

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Speaker 1: they got to where they got because they tell Trump

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Speaker 1: what he wants to hear. So you have that issue

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Speaker 1: issue too within the IC, meaning the intelligence community, is

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02:33:32,640 --> 02:33:35,840
Speaker 1: you have professionals who've been there for decades, work sources

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02:33:35,879 --> 02:33:40,959
Speaker 1: for decades, who don't trust the political leaders in charge

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02:33:40,959 --> 02:33:47,800
Speaker 1: of their departments. I think that they follow the law

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Speaker 1: and they report what they believe they need to report

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Speaker 1: to their superiors. But I think that if you told

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Speaker 1: me that they're not getting the best work because of

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Speaker 1: the lack of trust, because their fear that their sources

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Speaker 1: will get exposed for the wrong reason. So I just

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Speaker 1: my concern, and I have more than just speculative concern

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Speaker 1: about this. I'm just going to leave it at that.

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Speaker 1: My concern is that that we've had that the fault

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02:34:23,280 --> 02:34:30,959
Speaker 1: that you've had the following impact on intelligence gathering. It's

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02:34:31,120 --> 02:34:35,840
Speaker 1: clear Trump is seen as an irresponsible actor when it

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02:34:35,879 --> 02:34:39,680
Speaker 1: comes to intelligence. He shares it with everybody. He doesn't

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Speaker 1: respect classifications, right, it is he is a he is

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Speaker 1: a and he uses no secure phones. He's just a

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Speaker 1: he is a he is just a walking target. You know,

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Speaker 1: every single major intelligence agency that is semi adversarial, and

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Speaker 1: some who are friends have access or ties to Trump,

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Speaker 1: both electronically or literally bought people off inside his circle.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 1: It is it is so you have that issue. So

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Speaker 1: what does that mean? What it means is the strength

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Speaker 1: of the American intelligence community has been its sources in

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Speaker 1: other countries and its relationships We have the best intelligence

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Speaker 1: agencies in the globe. And part of it is because

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Speaker 1: we work in tandem with so many other excellent intelligence agencies,

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Speaker 1: whether it's with the UK you have the Five Eyes program, Canada, UK,

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Speaker 1: New Zealand, Australia You've got MASAD, you know, but you

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Speaker 1: know these other intelligence agencies that we rely on for

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Speaker 1: a lot of our work. You know, it's not just

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Speaker 1: what we do, it's some shared with Key Alive. They're

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02:35:55,920 --> 02:35:59,520
Speaker 1: well aware that Donald Trump's a leeker. They're well aware

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Speaker 1: that there are way too many rogue actors who have

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Speaker 1: classified security clearances who can't be trusted. And so it's

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Speaker 1: just what you have is a slow it's sort of

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Speaker 1: a slow motion train wreck. Right. It starts with our

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02:36:19,280 --> 02:36:22,240
Speaker 1: own rank and file being skeptical. Right at first, it

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Speaker 1: starts with the cycle. Right, you have the people in

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Speaker 1: charge who brief the president, who are slightly sycophanic and

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Speaker 1: already or curating that. I mean, my god, they have

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Speaker 1: to make a video of him every day to show

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Speaker 1: the Iran war. They can't give him a verbal briefing.

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Speaker 1: They have to show him pictures. I'll let you make

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Speaker 1: your joke about that. So it begins there right, Gabbert

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Speaker 1: and Ratcliffe aren't going to tell him bad news. Ratcliffe

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Speaker 1: and Gabert aren't going to get the professional They're getting

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Speaker 1: a limited view from their rank and file because their

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02:37:01,520 --> 02:37:04,960
Speaker 1: rank and file want to protect their sources, and so

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Speaker 1: there's some limitations of what's making its way to them.

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Speaker 1: Then our professional rank and file, their counterparts are also

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Speaker 1: withholding from them. Maybe not because they don't trust their

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Speaker 1: American counterpart, but they don't trust what happens once that

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Speaker 1: intelligence makes it into the American system. So you tell me,

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Speaker 1: I am you know if of course we're missing things

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Speaker 1: left and right in this administration because I don't believe

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Speaker 1: the intelligence community. Do I believe we still have the

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Speaker 1: ability to have world class intelligence and know exactly what

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Speaker 1: the hell's going on all over the world. Yeah, goddamn right,

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Speaker 1: I do. But when you look at all the different

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Speaker 1: choke points that likely limit important information getting to the

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Speaker 1: commander in chief, sometimes intentionally, other times unintentionally, you see

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Speaker 1: where this becomes a problem. So is it a shock

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Speaker 1: to me that we're kind of blindsided, Whether it's about

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02:38:12,959 --> 02:38:15,960
Speaker 1: an American taken over a cartel, we're not one hundred

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Speaker 1: percent sure of that, or you know us not knowing.

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Speaker 1: You know, the fact that she's family members have family

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02:38:25,040 --> 02:38:29,200
Speaker 1: members that live in the United States and seems to

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Speaker 1: be something our intelligence community is not that interested in anyway.

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Speaker 1: I throw all this out there. It's a terrific question,

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Speaker 1: but it's something that really concerns me. And if you

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02:38:41,840 --> 02:38:44,840
Speaker 1: told me we're going it is. The likelihood that we

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Speaker 1: get blindsided by some attack somewhere has never been higher.

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Speaker 1: And it's because we've alienated allies, We've created distrust and

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Speaker 1: they're sort of built in skepticism, and we oh, this

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Speaker 1: president doesn't trust the intelligence community anyway. So you throw

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Speaker 1: I mean, they could give him all the briefings in

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02:39:07,120 --> 02:39:09,920
Speaker 1: the world, and he may not accept the premise because

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02:39:09,920 --> 02:39:12,120
Speaker 1: he thinks are all secretly out to get him anyway.

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Speaker 1: So put all that together and you draw your conclusions.

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Speaker 1: Do you think the president's getting the best intelligence briefings

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Speaker 1: that are to be gotten? I think we know the answer.

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Speaker 1: Next question comes from Brandon ce. I'm old enough to

2663
02:39:28,959 --> 02:39:31,480
Speaker 1: remember the nineteen ninety four midterms and the Republican Contract

2664
02:39:31,560 --> 02:39:33,800
Speaker 1: with America, and since then, control of Congress has won

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Speaker 1: back and forth quite a bit. Given the lack of

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Speaker 1: a clear democratic policy alternative to megastyle conservatism. Right now,

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Speaker 1: do you think Democrats could benefit from putting forward a

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Speaker 1: similar platform ahead of an election, and if so, what

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Speaker 1: kinds of policies would actually be most politically effective to include?

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Speaker 1: You know, Brandon, I hope you listen to the Johnny

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Speaker 1: oh interview. He basically offered up something like this that

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Speaker 1: he you know, I said, when you know that, there

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Speaker 1: needs to be some tangible ways, you know, and he

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Speaker 1: seems to be somebody that doesn't want to just make

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Speaker 1: it all about Trump if they get power back that instead,

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Speaker 1: it's you know, it's sort of an agenda that is

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Speaker 1: bills you could pass in the moment that maybe Trump signs,

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02:40:14,080 --> 02:40:16,600
Speaker 1: and then bills that you're essentially setting up to be

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02:40:16,720 --> 02:40:19,480
Speaker 1: the twenty twenty eight platform to take through the American

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Speaker 1: people for I don't know, call it project twenty twenty nine,

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Speaker 1: right if Democrats think they're going to get the trifectave

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Speaker 1: by them. But I do think some sort of clear agenda,

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Speaker 1: But I don't know if it's going to be possible,

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Speaker 1: because I think you're going to have some Democrats running

2685
02:40:39,400 --> 02:40:43,000
Speaker 1: hard on Trump, hard on accountability of Trump, hard on

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Speaker 1: We're going to you know, feat the the fire, all

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Speaker 1: that business, impeached Bondye, impeach Trump, and peach this and

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Speaker 1: peach that. I do think you're going to have some

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Speaker 1: Democrats that they are not a majority of the candidate's running,

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02:40:54,840 --> 02:40:58,200
Speaker 1: but enough that it kind of comes up the messaging

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Speaker 1: like I don't think you're going to have And I

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Speaker 1: might argue that this party because it goes back to

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Speaker 1: my opening monologue in today's episode that I think you

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Speaker 1: have a party that that you know, the establishment's not trusted.

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02:41:12,000 --> 02:41:14,280
Speaker 1: So if they put out some sort of contract, would

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Speaker 1: it be embraced or would it be seen as why

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02:41:17,560 --> 02:41:19,240
Speaker 1: is Washington trying to tell us what to do with

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Speaker 1: the voters these days? Right? So I just don't know

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Speaker 1: if it's if it's organizable. I mean, do I think

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Speaker 1: it would be smart to have, you know, twenty six?

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Speaker 1: You know here's twenty six is probably too many. I

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02:41:33,080 --> 02:41:36,120
Speaker 1: remember Democrats said something six and o six. You know,

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Speaker 1: you know you could do eight and eighteen, right, I

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02:41:39,040 --> 02:41:43,720
Speaker 1: guess you could do six and twenty six, or you

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02:41:43,760 --> 02:41:50,880
Speaker 1: could do twenty six bills if you wanted. But some

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Speaker 1: sort of tangible pledge. Maybe it's just maybe it's on

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Speaker 1: social media, something on social media and tech, on jobs,

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Speaker 1: something on cost of living, something on accountability. Maybe you know,

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Speaker 1: he's obviously wanting to see a vote on the pardon amendment, right,

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02:42:09,080 --> 02:42:12,640
Speaker 1: you know, an accountability that's more institutional rather than personal.

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Speaker 1: So I think, you know, a combination of ethics, cost

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Speaker 1: of living, and democratic infrastructure, you know, have sort of

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Speaker 1: a pledge pledge on that. It certainly wouldn't hurt. But

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Speaker 1: I guess I'm skeptical this party is organizable right now

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02:42:29,280 --> 02:42:32,880
Speaker 1: around something like that. I think what Graham Platner wants

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02:42:32,920 --> 02:42:35,080
Speaker 1: to see, who maybe the nominee in Maine, is different

2717
02:42:35,080 --> 02:42:37,800
Speaker 1: than what Tallaerica wants to see, is different than what say,

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Speaker 1: Zach Walls or Josh Turkell in iowa't want to see.

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Speaker 1: So I think that I think that would be too difficult.

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Speaker 1: All right, I'm going to stop here. I went long

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Speaker 1: on this episode. If you're listening to it, soup the nuts.

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Speaker 1: It's a long one way. It's the weekend episode, so

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Speaker 1: you have an extra day or two to listen to it.

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Speaker 1: Enjoy the opening. Enjoy, and we are spoiled right now.

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Speaker 1: We've got great basketball and opening weekend in baseball. Enjoy

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Speaker 1: hope the weather cooperates,