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Speaker 2: I'm sorry, Dey Quinn.
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Speaker 1: Dave. We have to talk about breaking news of Real
Speaker 1: Housewives of New Jersey, Caroline Manzo saying that she allegedly
Speaker 1: knows who called the FEDS on Joe and Teresa.
Speaker 2: So make sure you.
Speaker 1: Stay tuned so that Dave and I can talk about that.
Speaker 1: In addition to I have a statement.
Speaker 2: From Jaqueline Loreta about what.
Speaker 1: Was said on this podcast that I'm going to read
Speaker 1: live to Dave Quinn and we're going to dissect that.
Speaker 1: But first thing's first, Dave Quinn, we got to talk
Speaker 1: about it Real Housewives of New York City reboot and
Speaker 1: the trailer. Now, I'm going to be very honest. When
Speaker 1: I heard about the reboot, I was like, when I
Speaker 1: saw the cast, I was like, when I saw the
Speaker 1: little promo of the app, I'm like, where is Ramona?
Speaker 2: But you need her?
Speaker 1: But then I saw the super trailer, and baby, I
Speaker 1: think we may be in store for what looks like
Speaker 1: a fascinating season.
Speaker 2: But Dave, let's talk about the Real Housewives of New York.
Speaker 1: City reboot and what was your thoughts when you saw
Speaker 1: the trailer that you posted.
Speaker 3: I do feel like there was a lot of clever
Speaker 3: stitching in that trailer to make things seem a little
Speaker 3: bit more dramatic than perhaps they really are. However, I
Speaker 3: don't need drama, and I was saying this, you know,
Speaker 3: I think that the show has fallen into this trap
Speaker 3: of having to give us some sort of explosive like
Speaker 3: your husband's cheating or you were you know. Even they
Speaker 3: have this moment in the trailer of like, you're flirting
Speaker 3: with a married man. I do. I don't really care
Speaker 3: about that. That's not what I'm looking for in housewives.
Speaker 3: I want to go back to the nonsense. I want
Speaker 3: to go back to the silly, petty little you didn't
Speaker 3: invite me to a party and I'm mad at you
Speaker 3: for it, or you know, I don't like the way
Speaker 3: you spoke to me and that little thing about nothing.
Speaker 3: So the thing about the trailer that made me excited
Speaker 3: was when they were like accusing Jenna of not wanting
Speaker 3: to go on the trip because she had to fly coach.
Speaker 3: I was like, yes, that is petty, that is silly,
Speaker 3: that is stupid. That's what watched on to that, and
Speaker 3: I'm really excited about it. All the other stuff I
Speaker 3: don't need. So I liked what I was getting from
Speaker 3: that silliness.
Speaker 2: Yes, no, I'll agree with you.
Speaker 1: Because I had very low expectations for this Real Housewives
Speaker 1: of New York City reboot. I was pleasantly surprised that
Speaker 1: it seemed like, Okay, they have personality, there's personal story
Speaker 1: going on, right, and just the family life that I
Speaker 1: felt like was always missing from reality television, especially the
Speaker 1: New Housewives.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: So when I saw that personal story was happening on
Speaker 1: the reboot.
Speaker 2: And the fashion was fashioning.
Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, this could be something. But people
Speaker 1: are saying this though, Dave. Due to a lot of
Speaker 1: people's excitement about the trailer, they're now asking should every
Speaker 1: city that's in trouble have a reboot to where they
Speaker 1: wipe out the cast and have a fresh new group
Speaker 1: of women.
Speaker 3: Absolutely not. And in fact, one of the things that
Speaker 3: I really learned when I was writing the book was
Speaker 3: that early on that was a thought process when it
Speaker 3: came to Housewives. When they were starting to build it,
Speaker 3: they thought, well, we'll do it like the real world.
Speaker 3: So we'll have the New York season with these women,
Speaker 3: and then next season we'll bring back a totally different
Speaker 3: group of women and do it again. I'm glad they
Speaker 3: didn't do that. I like the longevity. I want to
Speaker 3: know who these people are. I still think that the
Speaker 3: reboot of New York City was a mistake. I just
Speaker 3: don't see looking at Gena Alliance. Why can't I see
Speaker 3: Gena Alliance with Luan like and Derinda, and I think
Speaker 3: it was the nature of what was happening in the world.
Speaker 3: People were losing their minds stuck at home. I think
Speaker 3: the network hastily reacted to outrage that didn't really exist
Speaker 3: from the voices of a few and not the viewers
Speaker 3: of many. And I think that there was still fixing it.
Speaker 3: I think that, you know, they may have been angry
Speaker 3: at things that were happening behind the scenes and just
Speaker 3: didn't want to deal with it and rushed into this.
Speaker 3: But decisions were made far too quick. Ebany Is I
Speaker 3: still think a very great housewife, but she shouldn't have
Speaker 3: been the only one that season. They should have brought
Speaker 3: in three or four other women, you know, and it
Speaker 3: should have been a gradual switchover. And New York has
Speaker 3: made these hasty decisions in the past. We all saw
Speaker 3: what happened with season four, the reckoning, and it doesn't
Speaker 3: always dreadful. How dreadful so I don't know. I wish
Speaker 3: I want the more investment in the new women, and
Speaker 3: in order to do that, I think we need to
Speaker 3: see them mixed with the old. I'm excited about some
Speaker 3: of these ladies, but I can't imagine that everyone is
Speaker 3: a star. I mean, and I say that kindly. It's
Speaker 3: just the way it works, right, Like they're not all stars.
Speaker 1: Well, look, I think we have to wait and see.
Speaker 1: Because I said this on my podcast, I am going
Speaker 1: to watch the first episode. I'm committed to watching the
Speaker 1: first episode. I cannot promise I'm going to watch the
Speaker 1: entire season.
Speaker 2: And the example that I'll give is.
Speaker 1: I watched the first episode of the Real Housewives of
Speaker 1: Dubai and I went bye bye. It wasn't that the
Speaker 1: first episode wasn't great. I watched the first episode of
Speaker 1: the Real Housewives of Dubai and I remember saying to
Speaker 1: my boyfriend like, oh, I like.
Speaker 2: Them, okay, And then.
Speaker 1: The second episode I forgot to watch. And because I
Speaker 1: wasn't invested in these new women from this big brand,
Speaker 1: I did not care to return. I am invested in
Speaker 1: what I know. So when you create a whole new cast,
Speaker 1: is not that these women aren't stars or our stars,
Speaker 1: it's just more so, do I care to invest my
Speaker 1: time and a whole new group of women for twelve
Speaker 1: weeks of my life?
Speaker 3: Listen, there's a plethora of television to go in with,
Speaker 3: and a plethora of housewives. We are oversaturated at the moment,
Speaker 3: I didn't feel the same way about Dubai. I was
Speaker 3: shout out Emmy winner Glenda Cox her editing on that
Speaker 3: first season, especially that first episode felt so rich and exciting,
Speaker 3: and I was really drawn in. I do think that
Speaker 3: history will show that Dubai is much more Potomac than
Speaker 3: it is Dallas, and we will look back at Dubai
Speaker 3: season one and it will feel like Botomac season one.
Speaker 3: I do think that there's lots of stars in that
Speaker 3: cast that will carry us through, and I've heard the
Speaker 3: next season is delightful in New York. I'm excited to
Speaker 3: invest in some of these women. Bren for me, feels
Speaker 3: like a star. Side for me feels like a star.
Speaker 3: Jenna is going to be, of course interesting to watch.
Speaker 3: I kind of been looking forward to seeing what the
Speaker 3: dynamics are. But would I be surprised if season fifteen
Speaker 3: introduces some of our familiar faces back into the mix.
Speaker 2: No, I never thought about that, Like, if.
Speaker 3: This doesn't do well, let's say that it's not really clicking,
Speaker 3: and let's say Legacy does really well, why wouldn't they
Speaker 3: bring Luanne on the show and Derinda and possibly Ramona
Speaker 3: Sonya like, why wouldn't those that core four if you will,
Speaker 3: they all kind of seem like they would fit in.
Speaker 1: Well, oh, absolutely no, And I think it's a genius
Speaker 1: idea of that happens. And again, when I heard about
Speaker 1: the announcement, I had Ebony as my first guest on
Speaker 1: this very podcast, and I said to her, I think
Speaker 1: the reboots should be on Peacock and the Legacy should
Speaker 1: be on Bravo because we're in invested and Peacock is
Speaker 1: not a disc Real Housewives of Miami. In my opinion,
Speaker 1: it's successful because, yes, the show is good in the cast,
Speaker 1: it's tens across the board, but I think the show
Speaker 1: being on Peacock did not allow it to have the
Speaker 1: same pressures as the other housewives on Bravo.
Speaker 2: And I think the New York reboots should have been on.
Speaker 1: Peacock to give it that same sort of setup, because look,
Speaker 1: New York is going to come on after the Real
Speaker 1: Housewives of Atlanta.
Speaker 3: That's big. That is big. They've never been on Sunday
Speaker 3: nights like this. No, that's huge.
Speaker 1: It's huge, but also very risky, yeah, because I don't
Speaker 1: think the Atlanta audience is also the New York audience.
Speaker 1: But depending on the direction of this cast, we shall see.
Speaker 2: But rain drops, let me know if.
Speaker 1: You're into or not into the reboot of the Real
Speaker 1: Housewives in New York City. Me and Dave were gonna
Speaker 1: watch it, and Dave, I'm putting on the spot. I'm
Speaker 1: going to invite you back on the show so that
Speaker 1: you and I can recap the first episode.
Speaker 3: Yes, started spreading the news.
Speaker 1: I'll be there, honey, the Real Housewives of New York
Speaker 1: City Legacy being the fifth installment of Ultimate Girls Trip.
Speaker 2: I peed my pants.
Speaker 1: I did a cartwell, I was so excited. Still am
Speaker 1: we're talking about Ramona Singer, Kelly ben Simone, leu Ane,
Speaker 1: Kristen Sonya.
Speaker 2: That's it, right, am? I missing Anybodynda A.
Speaker 1: Plus A plus A plus A plus A plus. I
Speaker 1: love Kelly Bensimone. I fell in love with her when
Speaker 1: she was jogging down Central Park Avenue in her set
Speaker 1: up scene to her intro card. I'm looking forward to
Speaker 1: seeing this cast. I think it's a genius idea. But
Speaker 1: you brought the news, so tell us all about it.
Speaker 3: Well, it's really exciting. You know, it's been very well
Speaker 3: publicized that they were trying to do this legacy show
Speaker 3: that would have been a little bit more substantial that
Speaker 3: we would have seen sort of a longer mix. And Jill,
Speaker 3: if you remember, there was Jill Zaren was supposed to
Speaker 3: be in that mix, and that really all fell apart
Speaker 3: during discussions and negotiations of contracts, and it was very public.
Speaker 3: I mean, everybody talked about it on that cast pretty
Speaker 3: much in a public manner. And I think this is
Speaker 3: the better choice because the truth is, this is what
Speaker 3: I want to see, and I want Ramona in the mix.
Speaker 3: Even if I don't like her. I want Ramona in
Speaker 3: the mix. You know. If I'm like watching as a
Speaker 3: viewer and there are things that she's saying that I
Speaker 3: find annoying, I still want to see her. I still
Speaker 3: feel like she's part of the mix, and I think
Speaker 3: this will work much better as a viewing experience. I certainly,
Speaker 3: as you may know, I was on tour with the women,
Speaker 3: as you said earlier, and they were all talking about
Speaker 3: it before the news had been announced. They were all
Speaker 3: planning what they were going to wear to upfronts and
Speaker 3: how they were going to handle it. They were all
Speaker 3: discussing their feelings about, you know, seeing some old faces
Speaker 3: that they hadn't seen in a while.
Speaker 2: Christen Takeman, who allegedly Ramona doesn't remember. I continue, I.
Speaker 3: Know, I'm obsessed with that, but you know, and I
Speaker 3: could see what it could what it's going to be like,
Speaker 3: you know, I could see it in there. I was
Speaker 3: saying to them, well, we have to see the pirate,
Speaker 3: don't you think And they were like, oh, I wonder
Speaker 3: if the pirate will come back? And I was like,
Speaker 3: and the viewers are going to want this, don't you think.
Speaker 3: You know, Like I said to Ramona, well, surely Kristen's
Speaker 3: going to talk about the fact that you threw a
Speaker 3: glass at her. She's like, no, yeah, she's not going
Speaker 3: to bring that up. I was like, yeah, she like,
Speaker 3: that's we're going to talk about that.
Speaker 2: Absolutely.
Speaker 3: We want to see it.
Speaker 2: Absolutely.
Speaker 3: But you know, there were a lot of names in
Speaker 3: the mix of who could have been invited to this trip,
Speaker 3: and I think it's interesting why others said no like that.
Speaker 3: That's fascinating to me.
Speaker 1: Question for you because you and I both know when
Speaker 1: it comes to Bravo's best to say nothing.
Speaker 3: That's true.
Speaker 1: Versus her opinion out there. At times, Me and Dave
Speaker 1: know that personally. So, Jill Zaren went on a radio
Speaker 1: show and pretty much revealed that she wanted to make
Speaker 1: sure that every cast member got paid the same amount
Speaker 1: of money. We called that in the business Favorite Nations,
Speaker 1: everybody makes the same money. She felt that I don't
Speaker 1: care if I wasn't on the show, as long as
Speaker 1: Ramona I deserve the same amount as Ramona. We now
Speaker 1: see that Jill Zaren is not going to be on
Speaker 1: this Ultimate Girls Trip. Was she asked back or did
Speaker 1: she turn it down?
Speaker 3: From what I understand, she wasn't asked. I don't work
Speaker 3: for Bravo, just to be clear, but that's what I
Speaker 3: understand that she was not asked for. This is what
Speaker 3: I've heard.
Speaker 1: Yeah, do you think it has to do with her
Speaker 1: revealing too much information about the financials of the business
Speaker 1: and the deal?
Speaker 3: Yeah, And again no one said that to me directly,
Speaker 3: but yeah, no, my dog is sparking. Even my dog agrees.
Speaker 3: My dog is like yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: And for the record, I met jills are Did I
Speaker 1: tell you the story?
Speaker 3: Day?
Speaker 1: I was up doing Heather McDonald's live show in New
Speaker 1: York City doing Bravo con and I Jill Zarren came
Speaker 1: backstage because she knows Heather McDonald And Heather said, this
Speaker 1: is Carlos King and she said, oh, you're Carlos King.
Speaker 1: And I said, does that mean something? She said, oh, yes,
Speaker 1: it does day she was listen. She was so nice.
Speaker 1: He daughter was there with her man, her Doggie was
Speaker 1: I mean, Jill's beautiful. She was so sweet and I
Speaker 1: was like you and she said should.
Speaker 2: I do legacy?
Speaker 1: And I said, bitch, apps a fucking literly you should
Speaker 1: do legacy like duh. But anyways, I sell that to say.
Speaker 1: When she said, oh, you're Carlos King, it made me think,
Speaker 1: I said, I wonder if she knows who I am.
Speaker 1: Primarily because of my interview with Ramona.
Speaker 2: Oh, that could be it where Ramona.
Speaker 1: Said to me and my exclusive with her that she
Speaker 1: was not interested in doing legacy because she called it
Speaker 1: the loser show.
Speaker 2: Andy, it may.
Speaker 3: Oh that made some headlines. I think I may have
Speaker 3: written one of those headlines.
Speaker 2: I was gonna say. I think people Vaccine may have
Speaker 2: had the exclusive.
Speaker 3: Sure it's a good quote, Ramona. She's a quote machine.
Speaker 2: Oh so much so.
Speaker 1: Andy Comer review his book that what he heard or
Speaker 1: called the show loser legacy.
Speaker 2: He wasn't too happy about it. Now I've said publicly
Speaker 2: there is no Ronie without Ramona, and I'm happy that
Speaker 2: everybody has seen that it is true.
Speaker 1: Even you said it. Whatever happens, it happened. You need Ramona.
Speaker 1: Do you think it's fair that Ramona is back on
Speaker 1: the show when some people are saying she's problematic? You know,
Speaker 1: Ebani has alleged a few things about her on her podcast.
Speaker 1: Ramona addressed that on my podcast. We don't have to
Speaker 1: get into it. Just listen to my episode with Ramona.
Speaker 1: But do you think all of that take into account?
Speaker 1: Should Romona be back on Legacy?
Speaker 3: I take it all into account. I understand the feelings
Speaker 3: about it all. And again, there are things that have
Speaker 3: been alleged about her that are really difficult for anyone
Speaker 3: I think to wrap their head around. But I don't
Speaker 3: need to look into a mirror when I watch reality TV.
Speaker 3: I prefer to look into a window. I want to
Speaker 3: see things that are not in my life and that
Speaker 3: are not reflections of who I am. I want to
Speaker 3: see different things, So I don't need to condone her
Speaker 3: beliefs in life. I just want to see what she's doing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and for the record, an investigation was launch and
Speaker 1: they found nothing. That's not my opinion, it's not your opinion.
Speaker 1: That's the fact. And again it's just what was uncovered
Speaker 1: due to an investigation being launched and apparently nothing was
Speaker 1: found it. So with that being said, if you do
Speaker 1: an investigation nothing came out of it, then in my opinion,
Speaker 1: you should be able to move on and move forward.
Speaker 1: And I think Ebony and Ramona have both moved forward
Speaker 1: in their lives and I'm just saying, to see Ramona
Speaker 1: back in the mix with these ladies excites me. And
Speaker 1: that is why I am going to watch every single
Speaker 1: episode because if we're going to get Scary Island two
Speaker 1: point zero, baby, that's what I'm here for.
Speaker 3: I'm excited about it. I will say, though, I really
Speaker 3: do wish Jill was a part of it. And yeah,
Speaker 3: I think that Jill is incredible television. I think that
Speaker 3: she again, we all remember season one, two, three, four Jill,
Speaker 3: and that's what we're thinking of when we're talking about Jill,
Speaker 3: and that's what I want to see. I want to
Speaker 3: see sort of her in the mix with those ladies,
Speaker 3: those old relationships. Ramona crying on the bed in Morocco
Speaker 3: after they got into a fight, right, Like, there's history there. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and we haven't really seen the Ramona Luine Jill Trifecta relationship.
Speaker 3: Explored that I know they were all living for a
Speaker 3: time in New York, either in the same building or
Speaker 3: right around one another, and there's a lot that I'm
Speaker 3: interested in. But you know, I do think that Jill's
Speaker 3: conversations about the financial negotiations that the network would much
Speaker 3: prefer to keep private was her downfall in that situation.
Speaker 3: And again, I'm just guessing this, but I don't even
Speaker 3: necessarily think that her financial negotiations were the reason Legacy
Speaker 3: fell apart. I just think they don't like that she
Speaker 3: was saying that it was the reason Legacy fell apart.
Speaker 3: A great yeah, Like, I think that there was probably
Speaker 3: way bigger reasons that Legacy fell apart than you and
Speaker 3: I will ever know about. But I don't think it
Speaker 3: was a good idea for her to go and spill
Speaker 3: that information. And look, she's doing great. She has another
Speaker 3: reality show coming that she's going to be on, The
Speaker 3: Goat Show and they're looking for the greatest reality show
Speaker 3: star of all time, and she's in the mix of competitors.
Speaker 3: It's a competitive reality show.
Speaker 1: Okay, Jill, listen Amazon freeby is great.
Speaker 2: I love Jeff Lewis Show.
Speaker 1: Right, you will always be known as a housewife, and
Speaker 1: if you want to have staying power in this unscripted business.
Speaker 2: You have to know that what Dave just says so.
Speaker 1: Eloquently, you should have thought about the bigger picture.
Speaker 2: Of the world seeing you and Ramona and Luan.
Speaker 1: Back together and what that could have done for your bookings,
Speaker 1: what it could have done for your businesses, because even
Speaker 1: seeing you on season two of Ultimate Girls Trip Jill
Speaker 1: and the worst of Kim Kardashing to Courtney krk Dashing
Speaker 1: and Barker, you were the least exciting to look at
Speaker 1: and to me, that installment did nothing for you. It
Speaker 1: did nothing for you, but this could have. So I'm
Speaker 1: a little disappointed that you decided to go on Jeff
Speaker 1: Lewis Show, spill all the tea, honey, and then not
Speaker 1: be invited back to a home that I would say
Speaker 1: you helped build.
Speaker 2: I hate to interrupt, but stay tuned for more.
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Speaker 2: All right, so the moment you've been waiting for breaking news.
Speaker 3: My heart has been beating out of my chest since
Speaker 3: you said that.
Speaker 1: By the way, Real Housewives of New Jersey alum Caroline
Speaker 1: and her daughter Lauren mans Hey Lauren, they were at
Speaker 1: an event where they were speaking on a panel and
Speaker 1: Caroline alleged that she is not the one who called
Speaker 1: the FBI on Teresa and Joe, but she knows who did,
Speaker 1: and that the reason why she's not going to reveal
Speaker 1: it is because she's not a rat and that she
Speaker 1: refuses to ever talk about it mention the names. But
Speaker 1: she wanted to set the record strate that it was
Speaker 1: not her. Dave Quinn, what are your thoughts on him?
Speaker 1: Because people are saying, okay, was it allegedly Teresa's brother
Speaker 1: and sister in law? Was it allegedly a man's old person.
Speaker 1: Was it somebody in the neighborhood. Was it somebody at
Speaker 1: GSO dance school? A pageant?
Speaker 2: Mom?
Speaker 3: Is it Kim f camc It could have been anyone.
Speaker 2: These are strong accusations.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I wish it was the first time I heard
Speaker 3: that news, but it wasn't because she actually said that
Speaker 3: when I was interviewed her for the book, and it
Speaker 3: was one of the things that didn't make it in
Speaker 3: I could have. I don't know if I ever told
Speaker 3: you this, Carlos, but like the first chapter I handed
Speaker 3: into the publisher, which was Orange County, the biggest season,
Speaker 3: right it had been on for fifteen years at that time,
Speaker 3: so we had the most material with Orange County, and
Speaker 3: I started with OC because I wanted to get an
Speaker 3: idea of sort of what a chapter would look like.
Speaker 3: That first chapter was three hundred pages long. What because
Speaker 3: there was so much information and I went into so
Speaker 3: much depth about everything, and really each topic was very
Speaker 3: flushed out and very deep and from multiple perspectives. And
Speaker 3: we obviously, you know, at that time, I tried to
Speaker 3: say to my publisher, like, I think you guys need
Speaker 3: to do multiple books. I don't think this is one book.
Speaker 3: I think you should do this, as you know, three
Speaker 3: or four franchised chunks and really make it. But obviously
Speaker 3: I didn't win because nobody wanted to listen to me,
Speaker 3: so we cut it back. And this was one of
Speaker 3: the things that got cut on the In the pages
Speaker 3: was Caroline saying this that while she was not the
Speaker 3: one who did it she knows who did. I will say,
Speaker 3: Caroline isn't a rat because I bribed her with a
Speaker 3: lot of cheese and got nowhere. She would not tell
Speaker 3: me what the answer was and the reasoning behind it.
Speaker 3: And boy do I wish saying new But I will
Speaker 3: say that I don't really think that even if someone
Speaker 3: tipped them off, I would be surprised that if the
Speaker 3: FEDS weren't already in on it, you know, like, I
Speaker 3: don't think that I don't know. I don't think the
Speaker 3: FEDS didn't know that this was happening. And while devastating
Speaker 3: for their family, of course, you know, this is similar
Speaker 3: to what was going around about jen Shaw when people
Speaker 3: were saying, oh, you know, I think they were accusing
Speaker 3: Meredith of tipping off the Feds. And at the end
Speaker 3: of the day, we have to say, like, well, isn't
Speaker 3: that a good thing if they did a crime? Ooh,
Speaker 3: and somebody reporting a crime. I don't I mean, morally,
Speaker 3: aren't we supposed to be trying to live honestly? And
Speaker 3: you know, if somebody was scamming out a bunch of
Speaker 3: people like Jenshaw was doing to these victims, isn't it
Speaker 3: good that somebody blew the whistle on that.
Speaker 1: Dave, Honey, I love you because you put things into
Speaker 1: a totally different perspective.
Speaker 2: I never even allow my mind to go there.
Speaker 1: But you're making a lot of sense in terms of
Speaker 1: that being the reason.
Speaker 2: In terms of listen.
Speaker 1: Somebody did that, Is that a good or bad thing?
Speaker 1: And I want my audience to weigh in and answer that.
Speaker 1: So obviously one thing is said that is interesting. Look,
Speaker 1: even if you tip someone off. And again, I don't
Speaker 1: work in the FBI. I don't know anything about the
Speaker 1: fans or I don't know anything about all of it.
Speaker 3: I don't even watch the CBS FBI show, whatever it's called.
Speaker 3: I don't watch that show. Yes, I whatever FBI show
Speaker 3: is on, I don't even watch it. So I don't
Speaker 3: I really know nothing.
Speaker 1: I don't not think I like I said, I only
Speaker 1: watch Brazil de Blanco's Lifetime movies. So that's my gang
Speaker 1: stuff fed sort.
Speaker 2: Of like education.
Speaker 1: But it's it's to me. And again, call me ignorant,
Speaker 1: but I'm gonna say how I feel.
Speaker 2: The FEDS and.
Speaker 1: The irs to me are are the same in the
Speaker 1: sense of it doesn't take a phone call to make
Speaker 1: an immediate arrest you know, like, you can't call the
Speaker 1: irs and say this person owes you that you have
Speaker 1: to do some due diligence. There has to be a
Speaker 1: diligence period if that's the case. So that's why I
Speaker 1: do understand where you're coming from in terms of now, look,
Speaker 1: could they've already been on track in terms of finding
Speaker 1: something and the phone call sort of helped them confirm things. Sure,
Speaker 1: But if you're if Caroline is saying that she knows
Speaker 1: the people or person who call the FEDS on Teresa
Speaker 1: how soon they're after were arrest made, because that to
Speaker 1: me determines if they were already on the Tales of
Speaker 1: Joe right, or did this person who tipped them off
Speaker 1: made the FED do their due diligence. So that to
Speaker 1: me is what's so interesting about the accusation and the
Speaker 1: timeline in which Joe and.
Speaker 2: Teresa obviously were arrested.
Speaker 3: Yes, And I'm trying to remember if she I feel
Speaker 3: like this came up while we were discussing stripper Gate,
Speaker 3: so it may have been around that timing, which by
Speaker 3: that time season four four. Yeah, So by that time,
Speaker 3: I just remember that happened in four, which was filming
Speaker 3: consecutively with three, which is why Jacqueline didn't show up
Speaker 3: to three. But by that time there was already you know,
Speaker 3: the backyard scene with Jacqueline and Teresa, the tabloids that
Speaker 3: had been reporting about this, the rumors of is she
Speaker 3: going to jail? So if that call happened, then it
Speaker 3: may have only been to strengthen a case, not to
Speaker 3: start the.
Speaker 2: Case, right right, right, all this to be.
Speaker 3: Said, and this is really hard because again, I really
Speaker 3: like Teresa, I really like Caroline, you know, I care
Speaker 3: about these people. I want good things to happen to
Speaker 3: them in their lives. And what happened to Teresa was
Speaker 3: really difficult, and it obviously broke a part of family
Speaker 3: and he is still not back in the United States,
Speaker 3: and that was really hard. And she went to prison,
Speaker 3: and there was time away from her family, and her
Speaker 3: parents passed away afterwards, lots of tragedy. But looking at
Speaker 3: her now, she's seemingly, from what she has said, very
Speaker 3: happy in her marriage and her relationship seems to be
Speaker 3: in a very good place. So perhaps the challenges that
Speaker 3: we face in life make us stronger and set us
Speaker 3: up for the things that were really supposed to be
Speaker 3: going through and really where we're supposed to be in life.
Speaker 3: Maybe one day she'll look back on the fact that
Speaker 3: somebody may have called the FEDS and tipped them off
Speaker 3: as a as a good thing, because it helped her
Speaker 3: to get to it.
Speaker 2: I don't think she'll ever see you, but you know.
Speaker 3: I know that's crazy, but I would encourage her to
Speaker 3: feel that way.
Speaker 1: I'm so the thing is Jesus, Jesus right, hey, Faede
Speaker 1: fixing Jesus. But we'll say this, if a person or
Speaker 1: persons who made this call happens to be in her family,
Speaker 1: as somebody who has nine siblings and a bunch of
Speaker 1: cousins and aunts and all that stuff, that is very
Speaker 1: fucked up.
Speaker 2: It's it's it's too I'm not gonna use her rat.
Speaker 1: Because I don't want to call anyone that, but to
Speaker 1: to do that to a family member who's in close
Speaker 1: proximity with you allegedly, if that's what happened, then I would.
Speaker 2: Say it's fucked up. And and it.
Speaker 1: Makes me wonder if Teresa knows who they are, and
Speaker 1: if Caroline or somebody around Caroline told Teresa Laga Dolores
Speaker 1: told them what happened, and it got back to Teresa
Speaker 1: could be.
Speaker 3: I mean, there's a lot of scenarios that one can
Speaker 3: explore there. I agree. I mean, it would be very
Speaker 3: hard to forgive a family member if they did that. Luckily,
Speaker 3: none of my family speaks to me, so I don't
Speaker 3: have to worry about that. Ah.
Speaker 2: Well, if that's the case, you should be a friend
Speaker 2: up on the New.
Speaker 1: York City House fives ready for it.
Speaker 2: I want to know about that.
Speaker 1: So, as we're talking about allegations I have, and because
Speaker 1: Dave's a journalist, he's gonna love this. I have a retraction.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, I'm upset, and this is what my
Speaker 3: heart's been beating out of this. The Jacqueline text is
Speaker 3: what I'm nervous about. Okay, what's the retraction.
Speaker 1: Jacqueline Loreta text me because she heard the episode on
Speaker 1: my podcast where me and Dave from behind the Veba Rope,
Speaker 1: where he said that a reliable source told him that
Speaker 1: at the Real Housewives of New Jersey reunion that Jacqueline
Speaker 1: allegedly told Teresa that Joe Melissa contacted someone about Teresa allegedly,
Speaker 1: and this is what Jacqueline had to say. After listening
Speaker 1: to my episode and Jacqueline gave me permission to retract
Speaker 1: what was said because she wanted to clear the air.
Speaker 1: She said that I hated that my words are twisted. Okay,
Speaker 1: calling the IRS and the FEDS are two separate things.
Speaker 1: Everyone thinks it's one of the same. They are two
Speaker 1: different entities. Explain that the act of calling THES and
Speaker 1: reporting things to the IRS are separate things.
Speaker 2: We don't know when or how.
Speaker 1: The investigation actually started, but there were people that talked
Speaker 1: once it did.
Speaker 2: I don't know if redacted I got this with Dave.
Speaker 1: I don't know if redacted called the IRS, and if
Speaker 1: they did, when or at what point that was it
Speaker 1: could have been what started the investigation. I do know
Speaker 1: that when they filed bankruptcy and they tried to withdraw it,
Speaker 1: that did raise a red flag to the district attorney.
Speaker 3: Okay, see, this is what we needed. Jacquelyne just gave
Speaker 3: me so much context. I didn't know that the IRS
Speaker 3: and the FEDS were different. I didn't know that as
Speaker 3: far as you know, like what we've all been saying,
Speaker 3: I didn't know that. So but but that's why I
Speaker 3: wasn't making those claims on a podcast.
Speaker 2: Exactly.
Speaker 1: So that's why she is saying in a nutshell, what
Speaker 1: Jacqueline's saying is there's a difference between the IRS and
Speaker 1: the fans in terms of what was allegedly said, and
Speaker 1: that she felt that her words were definitely twisted. Now,
Speaker 1: she also said that well, we you and I have
Speaker 1: been saying. She doesn't know when this person contacted the
Speaker 1: FEDS or the IRS, at what point in the investigation
Speaker 1: was the phone call made, and that's why she wanted
Speaker 1: to clear that up, because we all know that Jacqueline
Speaker 1: has Jacqueline knows a lot, and without giving too much
Speaker 1: away from the upcoming Jersey reunion, I'm curious if all
Speaker 1: of this will be revealed. So we got the timing
Speaker 1: of Jacqueline Teresa having lunch for five hours. We got
Speaker 1: the timing of Caroline manz though rebuilding. She knows who
Speaker 1: did call the fans. Where there's smoke, there's fire, And
Speaker 1: that's all I'm going to say.
Speaker 2: What are your thoughts on all of this, Dave?
Speaker 3: Well, I love it all because again, it just shows
Speaker 3: how much history there is in the group. And that's
Speaker 3: what I say. I love the history of these housewives.
Speaker 3: It's why I wouldn't want Jersey to be rebooted. I
Speaker 3: want to see these women. I want to see Caroline
Speaker 3: come back one day. I want to see Jacqueline come
Speaker 3: back one day. I think there's still a lot of
Speaker 3: things to explore, the dina of it all. Were still
Speaker 3: so many questions, right, I'm very interested in it. I
Speaker 3: do know and see. It also goes back to I'm
Speaker 3: sorry that you had to retract something, But it goes
Speaker 3: back to trusting your sources, which I will once again no,
Speaker 3: I know, I once again say very important in life
Speaker 3: that you trust your sources, and some sources are more
Speaker 3: reliable and in the know than others. And I will
Speaker 3: say that I don't know because I haven't heard whether
Speaker 3: the IRS conversation comes up at the reunion, but I
Speaker 3: do know that Jacqueline does come up at the reunion,
Speaker 3: and that some text messages are read out loud that
Speaker 3: she may or may not have sent. And whether or
Speaker 3: not that makes it into the episode or not, I
Speaker 3: don't know. I haven't seen it, but I have heard
Speaker 3: from some pretty reliable sources that some text messages were
Speaker 3: read and that you can.
Speaker 2: Trust from a trusted source. So one last question before
Speaker 2: I'll let you go.
Speaker 1: Dave Quinn, Andy Cohen just revealed on Two Teeth and
Speaker 1: a Pod podcast Teddy Mellichamp and Tama Judge podcast.
Speaker 3: Love Them, Love Love Love Love Love Love Love Them.
Speaker 1: He well Teddy, who's also a journalist. She asked, Honey,
Speaker 1: Teddy asks all the tough questions. Care to go back
Speaker 1: off two teas at the pod because Teddy goes there.
Speaker 1: Teddy asked him about Jersey being on Paul's and can
Speaker 1: the show survive without Melissa or Teresa. Andy said, that's
Speaker 1: what they're trying to figure out right now.
Speaker 3: Oh, oh my goodness.
Speaker 1: Now I'm going to share you my opinion. You don't
Speaker 1: have to share yours if you don't want to.
Speaker 3: I'm not afraid.
Speaker 2: I know that's right. Okay.
Speaker 1: If you had to choose between Teresa and Melissa, only
Speaker 1: one of them can go back next season, who should
Speaker 1: it be?
Speaker 3: I would bring back Melissa and give Teresa and Louie
Speaker 3: and their lended family a beautiful spinoff series that I
Speaker 3: can explore Teresa's happiness without being surrounded by all this negativity.
Speaker 2: You are the best in the fucking bit.
Speaker 3: That's what I would do. That's what I would do.
Speaker 2: I think, Oh, I didn't think about that continue.
Speaker 3: Please well listen, it is not. I'm sure Theresa will
Speaker 3: tell you right now that she's likely feeling the heat
Speaker 3: from that last finale, that last episode rather and all
Speaker 3: the negativity surrounding Louie's behavior and the claims of hiring
Speaker 3: a private investigator. That now bo Didle has walked back
Speaker 3: and Louis has walked back, and there seems to be
Speaker 3: a lot of chaos. She was once again in this
Speaker 3: position where she's being blamed for things that she claims
Speaker 3: she didn't do, right back to Strippergate, like she says,
Speaker 3: right back to the history here, over and over again.
Speaker 3: I don't think it's great for her. I don't think
Speaker 3: that's a fun experience for her. And while I want
Speaker 3: Teresa's happiness and her to be successful, she can find
Speaker 3: that elsewhere. She's a valuable commodity. She doesn't need to
Speaker 3: put herself in scenarios where she is fighting with family
Speaker 3: or fighting with people that are trying to bring her down.
Speaker 3: So I encourage her to believe in her value and
Speaker 3: to put herself in a position that makes her happier.
Speaker 3: A Manzold with Children or Don't Be Tardy style show
Speaker 3: could be very successful for Teresa and those girls who
Speaker 3: are clearly interested in the spotlight and want to be
Speaker 3: a part of you know, television and are open for it.
Speaker 3: I want to see them dating. I want to see
Speaker 3: them growing. I want to see her happy life and
Speaker 3: you know, her relationship with her new sisters in law.
Speaker 3: There's a lot to explore. I don't necessarily need her
Speaker 3: back in the hot seat trying to pretend to be
Speaker 3: friends with Margaret when she's never going to be, or
Speaker 3: Melissa when she's never going to be, or Joe when
Speaker 3: she's never going to be, or Jackie Goldscheider when she's
Speaker 3: never going to be, or you know, or Rachel Fuda
Speaker 3: when she's never going to.
Speaker 2: You're like, You're like Carolald's pretty muchn't well.
Speaker 3: There's just there's such division, and it's very clear. It's like,
Speaker 3: you know, it's that division is just those couches. I
Speaker 3: don't like housewife shows when I can tell you exactly
Speaker 3: what the reunion couches are going to be. It's much
Speaker 3: more interesting when like everyone's a little bit in the
Speaker 3: mix and I don't really know, you know, where somebody
Speaker 3: can disagree with you about one thing and agree with
Speaker 3: you about the other that's what I want to see.
Speaker 1: So yes, and it goes back to like old school housewives,
Speaker 1: you know, where it was sort of like everybody was
Speaker 1: in the hot seat and you just kind of dealt
Speaker 1: with it in and was able to play.
Speaker 2: So very interesting, very interesting.
Speaker 1: I do think Teresa is the only housewife right now
Speaker 1: that can sustain a spin off of her family and
Speaker 1: husband and children and seeing what that life is like.
Speaker 1: So I do agree with you in terms of that.
Speaker 1: What is making me having pauls is I just don't
Speaker 1: know if Jersey can continue without Teresa, like I always
Speaker 1: felt that Ronie cannot continue without Ramona. So that's where
Speaker 1: my mind is. Although with that, with that being said,
Speaker 1: everybody is replaceable. That's my that's my cardinal rule on
Speaker 1: all my shows. So that's why there is something about this,
Speaker 1: and I think this is a happy medium. Yes, I
Speaker 1: think you. I think you put Melissa and Joe and
Speaker 1: Paul's Oh okay, you you set up next season to
Speaker 1: be teresa send off season for her spin off. Because
Speaker 1: the thing is this, you have to see whether or
Speaker 1: not the show can survive without a Teresa presence, and
Speaker 1: I think the only way you can see that is
Speaker 1: really seeing less of Teresa next season because she's getting
Speaker 1: ready for her spin off.
Speaker 2: It's sort of like.
Speaker 1: How Kim Zosey got Got Don't Be Tardy season five.
Speaker 1: Kim Zosiak was in the first five episodes, and then
Speaker 1: we introduced Kenya and Portia. You still had Nini and Phaede.
Speaker 1: You're on Candy and Cynthia. So when Kim left, which
Speaker 1: was interesting, the ratings increased because you still had people
Speaker 1: who was able to carry the load.
Speaker 2: So that's what's going to have to happen to me.
Speaker 3: Well, I understand what you mean. I don't know if
Speaker 3: she needs a full season to do that. It could
Speaker 3: be five episodes or three epos I mean her wedding
Speaker 3: special actually also could be the episode if you think
Speaker 3: about it, to sunset her into our happy ending next chapter.
Speaker 3: I know what you mean about it. I don't think that.
Speaker 3: I do think that you're underestimating the importance of Joe Gorga.
Speaker 3: And I say Joe specifically with no disrespect to Melissa.
Speaker 3: I do think Melissa's a great housewife and very loved
Speaker 3: and very respected by the audience. But Joe is the
Speaker 3: glue that holds those guys together, and absolutely those guys
Speaker 3: will fall apart without Joe, and those guys there's magic
Speaker 3: in them. They're not getting paid to be together, and
Speaker 3: yet they still do. They contribute. They show us a
Speaker 3: lot of really great stuff. I'm very charmed by their
Speaker 3: brotherhood in a way and their scenes together, and I
Speaker 3: think it's necessary, a necessary ingredient that makes Jersey special,
Speaker 3: and that's what I don't want to lose. So I
Speaker 3: worry that without Joe that won't exist. I don't see
Speaker 3: no disrespect to him, you know. I don't see Rachel
Speaker 3: Fuda's husband or Danielle Cabral's husband being the same sort
Speaker 3: of energy or the glue to bring that team together.
Speaker 3: But I do think those women are very good and
Speaker 3: one other new housewife next season. You really have a
Speaker 3: perfect launching pad to see sort of what it could be.
Speaker 2: And gentlemen, there you have it. So let us know.
Speaker 1: Go on Twitter hashtag Reality with the King and let
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Speaker 1: Teresa to stay, who do you want to stay and
Speaker 1: who do you want to go?
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