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Speaker 1: Welcome to Reality with the King. It's me Carlos King,

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Speaker 1: the King of Reality TV and one of the most

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Speaker 1: the King, we'll sit down with my friends across the

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Speaker 1: favorite and one of my favorite people in the entire world.

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Speaker 1: Of course, I'm talking about the amazing and the very

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Speaker 2: I'm sorry, Dey Quinn.

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Speaker 3: Everyone needs Carlos King as their hype man. I'm just

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Speaker 3: saying it is the most incredible feeling, and I feel

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Speaker 3: the same about you. Congratulations. Every time I turn another

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Speaker 3: hit news show on the way, I'm so excited for

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Speaker 3: Love and Marriage Detroit.

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Speaker 2: Thank you.

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Speaker 1: Dave. We have to talk about breaking news of Real

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Speaker 1: Housewives of New Jersey, Caroline Manzo saying that she allegedly

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Speaker 1: knows who called the FEDS on Joe and Teresa.

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Speaker 2: So make sure you.

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Speaker 1: Stay tuned so that Dave and I can talk about that.

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Speaker 1: In addition to I have a statement.

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Speaker 2: From Jaqueline Loreta about what.

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Speaker 1: Was said on this podcast that I'm going to read

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Speaker 1: live to Dave Quinn and we're going to dissect that.

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Speaker 1: But first thing's first, Dave Quinn, we got to talk

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Speaker 1: about it Real Housewives of New York City reboot and

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Speaker 1: the trailer. Now, I'm going to be very honest. When

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Speaker 1: I heard about the reboot, I was like, when I

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Speaker 1: saw the cast, I was like, when I saw the

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Speaker 1: little promo of the app, I'm like, where is Ramona?

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Speaker 2: But you need her?

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Speaker 1: But then I saw the super trailer, and baby, I

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Speaker 1: think we may be in store for what looks like

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Speaker 1: a fascinating season.

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Speaker 2: But Dave, let's talk about the Real Housewives of New York.

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Speaker 1: City reboot and what was your thoughts when you saw

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Speaker 1: the trailer that you posted.

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Speaker 3: I do feel like there was a lot of clever

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Speaker 3: stitching in that trailer to make things seem a little

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Speaker 3: bit more dramatic than perhaps they really are. However, I

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Speaker 3: don't need drama, and I was saying this, you know,

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Speaker 3: I think that the show has fallen into this trap

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Speaker 3: of having to give us some sort of explosive like

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Speaker 3: your husband's cheating or you were you know. Even they

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Speaker 3: have this moment in the trailer of like, you're flirting

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Speaker 3: with a married man. I do. I don't really care

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Speaker 3: about that. That's not what I'm looking for in housewives.

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Speaker 3: I want to go back to the nonsense. I want

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Speaker 3: to go back to the silly, petty little you didn't

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Speaker 3: for it, or you know, I don't like the way

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Speaker 3: So the thing about the trailer that made me excited

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Speaker 3: was when they were like accusing Jenna of not wanting

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Speaker 3: I was like, yes, that is petty, that is silly,

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Speaker 3: that is stupid. That's what watched on to that, and

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Speaker 3: I'm really excited about it. All the other stuff I

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Speaker 3: that silliness.

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Speaker 2: Yes, no, I'll agree with you.

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Speaker 1: Because I had very low expectations for this Real Housewives

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Speaker 1: of New York City reboot. I was pleasantly surprised that

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Speaker 1: it seemed like, Okay, they have personality, there's personal story

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 1: So when I saw that personal story was happening on

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Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, this could be something. But people

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Speaker 1: are saying this though, Dave. Due to a lot of

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Speaker 1: people's excitement about the trailer, they're now asking should every

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Speaker 3: Absolutely not. And in fact, one of the things that

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Speaker 3: So we'll have the New York season with these women,

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Speaker 3: People were losing their minds stuck at home. I think

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Speaker 3: the network hastily reacted to outrage that didn't really exist

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Speaker 3: I think that, you know, they may have been angry

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Speaker 3: But decisions were made far too quick. Ebany Is I

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Speaker 3: still think a very great housewife, but she shouldn't have

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Speaker 3: been the only one that season. They should have brought

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Speaker 3: should have been a gradual switchover. And New York has

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Speaker 3: made these hasty decisions in the past. We all saw

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Speaker 3: what happened with season four, the reckoning, and it doesn't

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Speaker 3: always dreadful. How dreadful so I don't know. I wish

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Speaker 3: I want the more investment in the new women, and

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Speaker 3: in order to do that, I think we need to

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Speaker 3: see them mixed with the old. I'm excited about some

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Speaker 3: of these ladies, but I can't imagine that everyone is

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Speaker 3: just the way it works, right, Like they're not all stars.

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Speaker 1: Well, look, I think we have to wait and see.

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Speaker 1: Because I said this on my podcast, I am going

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Speaker 1: to watch the first episode. I'm committed to watching the

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Speaker 2: And the example that I'll give is.

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Speaker 1: I watched the first episode of the Real Housewives of

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Speaker 1: Dubai and I went bye bye. It wasn't that the

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Speaker 1: first episode wasn't great. I watched the first episode of

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Speaker 1: the Real Housewives of Dubai and I remember saying to

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Speaker 1: The second episode I forgot to watch. And because I

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Speaker 1: I did not care to return. I am invested in

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Speaker 1: it's just more so, do I care to invest my

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Speaker 3: Listen, there's a plethora of television to go in with,

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Speaker 3: and a plethora of housewives. We are oversaturated at the moment,

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Speaker 3: I didn't feel the same way about Dubai. I was

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Speaker 3: shout out Emmy winner Glenda Cox her editing on that

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Speaker 3: first season, especially that first episode felt so rich and exciting,

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Speaker 3: history will show that Dubai is much more Potomac than

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Speaker 3: it is Dallas, and we will look back at Dubai

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Speaker 3: season one and it will feel like Botomac season one.

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Speaker 3: I do think that there's lots of stars in that

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Speaker 3: cast that will carry us through, and I've heard the

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Speaker 3: next season is delightful in New York. I'm excited to

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Speaker 3: Jenna is going to be, of course interesting to watch.

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Speaker 3: I kind of been looking forward to seeing what the

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Speaker 3: dynamics are. But would I be surprised if season fifteen

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Speaker 3: introduces some of our familiar faces back into the mix.

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Speaker 2: No, I never thought about that, Like, if.

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Speaker 3: This doesn't do well, let's say that it's not really clicking,

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Speaker 3: and let's say Legacy does really well, why wouldn't they

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Speaker 3: bring Luanne on the show and Derinda and possibly Ramona

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Speaker 3: Sonya like, why wouldn't those that core four if you will,

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Speaker 3: they all kind of seem like they would fit in.

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Speaker 1: Well, oh, absolutely no, And I think it's a genius

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Speaker 1: idea of that happens. And again, when I heard about

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Speaker 1: the reboots should be on Peacock and the Legacy should

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Speaker 1: be on Bravo because we're in invested and Peacock is

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Speaker 1: not a disc Real Housewives of Miami. In my opinion,

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Speaker 1: it's successful because, yes, the show is good in the cast,

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Speaker 1: being on Peacock did not allow it to have the

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Speaker 2: And I think the New York reboots should have been on.

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Speaker 1: Peacock to give it that same sort of setup, because look,

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Speaker 1: New York is going to come on after the Real

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Speaker 1: Housewives of Atlanta.

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Speaker 3: That's big. That is big. They've never been on Sunday

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Speaker 1: It's huge, but also very risky, yeah, because I don't

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Speaker 1: But depending on the direction of this cast, we shall see.

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Speaker 2: But rain drops, let me know if.

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Speaker 1: You're into or not into the reboot of the Real

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Speaker 1: Housewives in New York City. Me and Dave were gonna

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Speaker 1: watch it, and Dave, I'm putting on the spot. I'm

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Speaker 3: Yes, started spreading the news.

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Speaker 1: I'll be there, honey, the Real Housewives of New York

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Speaker 1: City Legacy being the fifth installment of Ultimate Girls Trip.

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Speaker 2: I peed my pants.

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Speaker 1: I did a cartwell, I was so excited. Still am

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Speaker 1: we're talking about Ramona Singer, Kelly ben Simone, leu Ane,

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Speaker 2: That's it, right, am? I missing Anybodynda A.

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Speaker 1: Plus A plus A plus A plus A plus. I

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Speaker 1: love Kelly Bensimone. I fell in love with her when

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Speaker 1: she was jogging down Central Park Avenue in her set

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Speaker 1: up scene to her intro card. I'm looking forward to

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Speaker 1: seeing this cast. I think it's a genius idea. But

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Speaker 1: you brought the news, so tell us all about it.

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Speaker 3: Well, it's really exciting. You know, it's been very well

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Speaker 3: publicized that they were trying to do this legacy show

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Speaker 3: that would have been a little bit more substantial that

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Speaker 3: we would have seen sort of a longer mix. And Jill,

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Speaker 3: be in that mix, and that really all fell apart

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Speaker 3: during discussions and negotiations of contracts, and it was very public.

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Speaker 3: I mean, everybody talked about it on that cast pretty

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Speaker 3: much in a public manner. And I think this is

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Speaker 3: the better choice because the truth is, this is what

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Speaker 3: I want to see, and I want Ramona in the mix.

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Speaker 3: Even if I don't like her. I want Ramona in

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Speaker 3: the mix. You know. If I'm like watching as a

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Speaker 3: this will work much better as a viewing experience. I certainly,

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Speaker 2: I love Jeff Lewis Show.

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Speaker 1: Eloquently, you should have thought about the bigger picture.

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Speaker 2: All right, so the moment you've been waiting for breaking news.

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Speaker 3: My heart has been beating out of my chest since

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Speaker 1: By the way, Real Housewives of New Jersey alum Caroline

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Speaker 3: for their family, of course, you know, this is similar

439
00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:52,800
Speaker 3: to what was going around about jen Shaw when people

440
00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:55,119
Speaker 3: were saying, oh, you know, I think they were accusing

441
00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:57,720
Speaker 3: Meredith of tipping off the Feds. And at the end

442
00:24:57,760 --> 00:25:00,399
Speaker 3: of the day, we have to say, like, well, isn't

443
00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:03,040
Speaker 3: that a good thing if they did a crime? Ooh,

444
00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:07,240
Speaker 3: and somebody reporting a crime. I don't I mean, morally,

445
00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:10,960
Speaker 3: aren't we supposed to be trying to live honestly? And

446
00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:14,280
Speaker 3: you know, if somebody was scamming out a bunch of

447
00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:18,000
Speaker 3: people like Jenshaw was doing to these victims, isn't it

448
00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:20,080
Speaker 3: good that somebody blew the whistle on that.

449
00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:26,760
Speaker 1: Dave, Honey, I love you because you put things into

450
00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:28,720
Speaker 1: a totally different perspective.

451
00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:32,080
Speaker 2: I never even allow my mind to go there.

452
00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:34,480
Speaker 1: But you're making a lot of sense in terms of

453
00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:36,600
Speaker 1: that being the reason.

454
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Speaker 2: In terms of listen.

455
00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:39,800
Speaker 1: Somebody did that, Is that a good or bad thing?

456
00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:43,360
Speaker 1: And I want my audience to weigh in and answer that.

457
00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:47,200
Speaker 1: So obviously one thing is said that is interesting. Look,

458
00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:51,120
Speaker 1: even if you tip someone off. And again, I don't

459
00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:53,040
Speaker 1: work in the FBI. I don't know anything about the

460
00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:55,320
Speaker 1: fans or I don't know anything about all of it.

461
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Speaker 3: I don't even watch the CBS FBI show, whatever it's called.

462
00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:02,160
Speaker 3: I don't watch that show. Yes, I whatever FBI show

463
00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:03,680
Speaker 3: is on, I don't even watch it. So I don't

464
00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:04,600
Speaker 3: I really know nothing.

465
00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:07,840
Speaker 1: I don't not think I like I said, I only

466
00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:12,080
Speaker 1: watch Brazil de Blanco's Lifetime movies. So that's my gang

467
00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:13,680
Speaker 1: stuff fed sort.

468
00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:14,720
Speaker 2: Of like education.

469
00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:19,760
Speaker 1: But it's it's to me. And again, call me ignorant,

470
00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:21,600
Speaker 1: but I'm gonna say how I feel.

471
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Speaker 2: The FEDS and.

472
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Speaker 1: The irs to me are are the same in the

473
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Speaker 1: sense of it doesn't take a phone call to make

474
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Speaker 1: an immediate arrest you know, like, you can't call the

475
00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:38,320
Speaker 1: irs and say this person owes you that you have

476
00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:41,359
Speaker 1: to do some due diligence. There has to be a

477
00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:45,040
Speaker 1: diligence period if that's the case. So that's why I

478
00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:49,000
Speaker 1: do understand where you're coming from in terms of now, look,

479
00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:53,359
Speaker 1: could they've already been on track in terms of finding

480
00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:56,800
Speaker 1: something and the phone call sort of helped them confirm things. Sure,

481
00:26:57,760 --> 00:27:00,960
Speaker 1: But if you're if Caroline is saying that she knows

482
00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:05,159
Speaker 1: the people or person who call the FEDS on Teresa

483
00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:09,639
Speaker 1: how soon they're after were arrest made, because that to

484
00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:14,119
Speaker 1: me determines if they were already on the Tales of

485
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:19,080
Speaker 1: Joe right, or did this person who tipped them off

486
00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:22,800
Speaker 1: made the FED do their due diligence. So that to

487
00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:27,480
Speaker 1: me is what's so interesting about the accusation and the

488
00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:30,200
Speaker 1: timeline in which Joe and.

489
00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:32,040
Speaker 2: Teresa obviously were arrested.

490
00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:35,359
Speaker 3: Yes, And I'm trying to remember if she I feel

491
00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:39,440
Speaker 3: like this came up while we were discussing stripper Gate,

492
00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:42,560
Speaker 3: so it may have been around that timing, which by

493
00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:47,560
Speaker 3: that time season four four. Yeah, So by that time,

494
00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:50,240
Speaker 3: I just remember that happened in four, which was filming

495
00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:53,040
Speaker 3: consecutively with three, which is why Jacqueline didn't show up

496
00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:56,959
Speaker 3: to three. But by that time there was already you know,

497
00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:02,199
Speaker 3: the backyard scene with Jacqueline and Teresa, the tabloids that

498
00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:04,679
Speaker 3: had been reporting about this, the rumors of is she

499
00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:09,320
Speaker 3: going to jail? So if that call happened, then it

500
00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:11,600
Speaker 3: may have only been to strengthen a case, not to

501
00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:12,440
Speaker 3: start the.

502
00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:15,800
Speaker 2: Case, right right, right, all this to be.

503
00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:20,840
Speaker 3: Said, and this is really hard because again, I really

504
00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:24,160
Speaker 3: like Teresa, I really like Caroline, you know, I care

505
00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:25,920
Speaker 3: about these people. I want good things to happen to

506
00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:30,040
Speaker 3: them in their lives. And what happened to Teresa was

507
00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:33,080
Speaker 3: really difficult, and it obviously broke a part of family

508
00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:35,879
Speaker 3: and he is still not back in the United States,

509
00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:37,720
Speaker 3: and that was really hard. And she went to prison,

510
00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:39,520
Speaker 3: and there was time away from her family, and her

511
00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:42,760
Speaker 3: parents passed away afterwards, lots of tragedy. But looking at

512
00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:46,360
Speaker 3: her now, she's seemingly, from what she has said, very

513
00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:48,680
Speaker 3: happy in her marriage and her relationship seems to be

514
00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:51,520
Speaker 3: in a very good place. So perhaps the challenges that

515
00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:54,320
Speaker 3: we face in life make us stronger and set us

516
00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:56,440
Speaker 3: up for the things that were really supposed to be

517
00:28:56,520 --> 00:29:00,400
Speaker 3: going through and really where we're supposed to be in life.

518
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:03,600
Speaker 3: Maybe one day she'll look back on the fact that

519
00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:05,760
Speaker 3: somebody may have called the FEDS and tipped them off

520
00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:08,240
Speaker 3: as a as a good thing, because it helped her

521
00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:08,760
Speaker 3: to get to it.

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00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:11,320
Speaker 2: I don't think she'll ever see you, but you know.

523
00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:14,760
Speaker 3: I know that's crazy, but I would encourage her to

524
00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:15,400
Speaker 3: feel that way.

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00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:23,640
Speaker 1: I'm so the thing is Jesus, Jesus right, hey, Faede

526
00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:28,240
Speaker 1: fixing Jesus. But we'll say this, if a person or

527
00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:33,120
Speaker 1: persons who made this call happens to be in her family,

528
00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:38,760
Speaker 1: as somebody who has nine siblings and a bunch of

529
00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:42,360
Speaker 1: cousins and aunts and all that stuff, that is very

530
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:43,240
Speaker 1: fucked up.

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Speaker 2: It's it's it's too I'm not gonna use her rat.

532
00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:50,800
Speaker 1: Because I don't want to call anyone that, but to

533
00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:53,640
Speaker 1: to do that to a family member who's in close

534
00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:58,360
Speaker 1: proximity with you allegedly, if that's what happened, then I would.

535
00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:00,800
Speaker 2: Say it's fucked up. And and it.

536
00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:08,720
Speaker 1: Makes me wonder if Teresa knows who they are, and

537
00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:15,920
Speaker 1: if Caroline or somebody around Caroline told Teresa Laga Dolores

538
00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:19,400
Speaker 1: told them what happened, and it got back to Teresa

539
00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:20,000
Speaker 1: could be.

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Speaker 3: I mean, there's a lot of scenarios that one can

541
00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:26,000
Speaker 3: explore there. I agree. I mean, it would be very

542
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:29,200
Speaker 3: hard to forgive a family member if they did that. Luckily,

543
00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:30,720
Speaker 3: none of my family speaks to me, so I don't

544
00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:31,840
Speaker 3: have to worry about that. Ah.

545
00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:36,280
Speaker 2: Well, if that's the case, you should be a friend

546
00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:36,960
Speaker 2: up on the New.

547
00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:39,760
Speaker 1: York City House fives ready for it.

548
00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:40,960
Speaker 2: I want to know about that.

549
00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:46,520
Speaker 1: So, as we're talking about allegations I have, and because

550
00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:50,800
Speaker 1: Dave's a journalist, he's gonna love this. I have a retraction.

551
00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:54,040
Speaker 3: Oh my god, I'm upset, and this is what my

552
00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:56,880
Speaker 3: heart's been beating out of this. The Jacqueline text is

553
00:30:56,920 --> 00:30:58,680
Speaker 3: what I'm nervous about. Okay, what's the retraction.

554
00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:02,000
Speaker 1: Jacqueline Loreta text me because she heard the episode on

555
00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:05,520
Speaker 1: my podcast where me and Dave from behind the Veba Rope,

556
00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:09,600
Speaker 1: where he said that a reliable source told him that

557
00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:15,440
Speaker 1: at the Real Housewives of New Jersey reunion that Jacqueline

558
00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:25,560
Speaker 1: allegedly told Teresa that Joe Melissa contacted someone about Teresa allegedly,

559
00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:30,760
Speaker 1: and this is what Jacqueline had to say. After listening

560
00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:36,600
Speaker 1: to my episode and Jacqueline gave me permission to retract

561
00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:40,760
Speaker 1: what was said because she wanted to clear the air.

562
00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:46,520
Speaker 1: She said that I hated that my words are twisted. Okay,

563
00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:51,640
Speaker 1: calling the IRS and the FEDS are two separate things.

564
00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:55,320
Speaker 1: Everyone thinks it's one of the same. They are two

565
00:31:55,720 --> 00:32:00,600
Speaker 1: different entities. Explain that the act of calling THES and

566
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:05,200
Speaker 1: reporting things to the IRS are separate things.

567
00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:09,280
Speaker 2: We don't know when or how.

568
00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:14,480
Speaker 1: The investigation actually started, but there were people that talked

569
00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:15,720
Speaker 1: once it did.

570
00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:23,600
Speaker 2: I don't know if redacted I got this with Dave.

571
00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:29,920
Speaker 1: I don't know if redacted called the IRS, and if

572
00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:33,800
Speaker 1: they did, when or at what point that was it

573
00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:38,560
Speaker 1: could have been what started the investigation. I do know

574
00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:43,520
Speaker 1: that when they filed bankruptcy and they tried to withdraw it,

575
00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:48,240
Speaker 1: that did raise a red flag to the district attorney.

576
00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:51,320
Speaker 3: Okay, see, this is what we needed. Jacquelyne just gave

577
00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:53,800
Speaker 3: me so much context. I didn't know that the IRS

578
00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:58,440
Speaker 3: and the FEDS were different. I didn't know that as

579
00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:00,480
Speaker 3: far as you know, like what we've all been saying,

580
00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:06,080
Speaker 3: I didn't know that. So but but that's why I

581
00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:08,840
Speaker 3: wasn't making those claims on a podcast.

582
00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:10,440
Speaker 2: Exactly.

583
00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:14,040
Speaker 1: So that's why she is saying in a nutshell, what

584
00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:18,480
Speaker 1: Jacqueline's saying is there's a difference between the IRS and

585
00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:22,320
Speaker 1: the fans in terms of what was allegedly said, and

586
00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:26,520
Speaker 1: that she felt that her words were definitely twisted. Now,

587
00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:30,640
Speaker 1: she also said that well, we you and I have

588
00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:37,080
Speaker 1: been saying. She doesn't know when this person contacted the

589
00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:40,680
Speaker 1: FEDS or the IRS, at what point in the investigation

590
00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:43,760
Speaker 1: was the phone call made, and that's why she wanted

591
00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:48,080
Speaker 1: to clear that up, because we all know that Jacqueline

592
00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:53,520
Speaker 1: has Jacqueline knows a lot, and without giving too much

593
00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:59,280
Speaker 1: away from the upcoming Jersey reunion, I'm curious if all

594
00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:02,080
Speaker 1: of this will be revealed. So we got the timing

595
00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:06,440
Speaker 1: of Jacqueline Teresa having lunch for five hours. We got

596
00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:09,520
Speaker 1: the timing of Caroline manz though rebuilding. She knows who

597
00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:14,719
Speaker 1: did call the fans. Where there's smoke, there's fire, And

598
00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:16,240
Speaker 1: that's all I'm going to say.

599
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:18,279
Speaker 2: What are your thoughts on all of this, Dave?

600
00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:22,080
Speaker 3: Well, I love it all because again, it just shows

601
00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:23,839
Speaker 3: how much history there is in the group. And that's

602
00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:26,880
Speaker 3: what I say. I love the history of these housewives.

603
00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:29,600
Speaker 3: It's why I wouldn't want Jersey to be rebooted. I

604
00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:32,200
Speaker 3: want to see these women. I want to see Caroline

605
00:34:32,200 --> 00:34:34,560
Speaker 3: come back one day. I want to see Jacqueline come

606
00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:36,560
Speaker 3: back one day. I think there's still a lot of

607
00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:39,040
Speaker 3: things to explore, the dina of it all. Were still

608
00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:44,239
Speaker 3: so many questions, right, I'm very interested in it. I

609
00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:47,120
Speaker 3: do know and see. It also goes back to I'm

610
00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:49,200
Speaker 3: sorry that you had to retract something, But it goes

611
00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:53,400
Speaker 3: back to trusting your sources, which I will once again no,

612
00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:56,520
Speaker 3: I know, I once again say very important in life

613
00:34:56,520 --> 00:34:59,439
Speaker 3: that you trust your sources, and some sources are more

614
00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:03,560
Speaker 3: reliable and in the know than others. And I will

615
00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:07,560
Speaker 3: say that I don't know because I haven't heard whether

616
00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:10,719
Speaker 3: the IRS conversation comes up at the reunion, but I

617
00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:13,400
Speaker 3: do know that Jacqueline does come up at the reunion,

618
00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:17,440
Speaker 3: and that some text messages are read out loud that

619
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:22,040
Speaker 3: she may or may not have sent. And whether or

620
00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:24,440
Speaker 3: not that makes it into the episode or not, I

621
00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:26,799
Speaker 3: don't know. I haven't seen it, but I have heard

622
00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:29,920
Speaker 3: from some pretty reliable sources that some text messages were

623
00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:32,360
Speaker 3: read and that you can.

624
00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:39,680
Speaker 2: Trust from a trusted source. So one last question before

625
00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:40,239
Speaker 2: I'll let you go.

626
00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:45,400
Speaker 1: Dave Quinn, Andy Cohen just revealed on Two Teeth and

627
00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:50,040
Speaker 1: a Pod podcast Teddy Mellichamp and Tama Judge podcast.

628
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:53,840
Speaker 3: Love Them, Love Love Love Love Love Love Love Them.

629
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:58,520
Speaker 1: He well Teddy, who's also a journalist. She asked, Honey,

630
00:35:58,520 --> 00:36:01,239
Speaker 1: Teddy asks all the tough questions. Care to go back

631
00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:03,719
Speaker 1: off two teas at the pod because Teddy goes there.

632
00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:09,040
Speaker 1: Teddy asked him about Jersey being on Paul's and can

633
00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:14,719
Speaker 1: the show survive without Melissa or Teresa. Andy said, that's

634
00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:17,080
Speaker 1: what they're trying to figure out right now.

635
00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:21,120
Speaker 3: Oh, oh my goodness.

636
00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:25,600
Speaker 1: Now I'm going to share you my opinion. You don't

637
00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:27,120
Speaker 1: have to share yours if you don't want to.

638
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:27,960
Speaker 3: I'm not afraid.

639
00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:31,000
Speaker 2: I know that's right. Okay.

640
00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:37,520
Speaker 1: If you had to choose between Teresa and Melissa, only

641
00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:40,840
Speaker 1: one of them can go back next season, who should

642
00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:41,400
Speaker 1: it be?

643
00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:45,880
Speaker 3: I would bring back Melissa and give Teresa and Louie

644
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:50,319
Speaker 3: and their lended family a beautiful spinoff series that I

645
00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:56,560
Speaker 3: can explore Teresa's happiness without being surrounded by all this negativity.

646
00:36:57,320 --> 00:36:59,520
Speaker 2: You are the best in the fucking bit.

647
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:01,279
Speaker 3: That's what I would do. That's what I would do.

648
00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:03,880
Speaker 2: I think, Oh, I didn't think about that continue.

649
00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:08,640
Speaker 3: Please well listen, it is not. I'm sure Theresa will

650
00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:12,080
Speaker 3: tell you right now that she's likely feeling the heat

651
00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:16,200
Speaker 3: from that last finale, that last episode rather and all

652
00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:20,160
Speaker 3: the negativity surrounding Louie's behavior and the claims of hiring

653
00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:23,720
Speaker 3: a private investigator. That now bo Didle has walked back

654
00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:27,200
Speaker 3: and Louis has walked back, and there seems to be

655
00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:29,719
Speaker 3: a lot of chaos. She was once again in this

656
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:32,640
Speaker 3: position where she's being blamed for things that she claims

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Speaker 3: she didn't do, right back to Strippergate, like she says,

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Speaker 3: right back to the history here, over and over again.

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Speaker 3: I don't think it's great for her. I don't think

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Speaker 3: that's a fun experience for her. And while I want

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Speaker 3: Teresa's happiness and her to be successful, she can find

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Speaker 3: that elsewhere. She's a valuable commodity. She doesn't need to

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Speaker 3: put herself in scenarios where she is fighting with family

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Speaker 3: or fighting with people that are trying to bring her down.

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Speaker 3: So I encourage her to believe in her value and

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Speaker 3: to put herself in a position that makes her happier.

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Speaker 3: A Manzold with Children or Don't Be Tardy style show

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Speaker 3: could be very successful for Teresa and those girls who

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Speaker 3: are clearly interested in the spotlight and want to be

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Speaker 3: a part of you know, television and are open for it.

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Speaker 3: I want to see them dating. I want to see

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Speaker 3: them growing. I want to see her happy life and

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Speaker 3: you know, her relationship with her new sisters in law.

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Speaker 3: There's a lot to explore. I don't necessarily need her

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Speaker 3: back in the hot seat trying to pretend to be

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Speaker 3: friends with Margaret when she's never going to be, or

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Speaker 3: Melissa when she's never going to be, or Joe when

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Speaker 3: she's never going to be, or Jackie Goldscheider when she's

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00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:55,440
Speaker 3: never going to be, or you know, or Rachel Fuda

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Speaker 3: when she's never going to.

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Speaker 2: You're like, You're like Carolald's pretty muchn't well.

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Speaker 3: There's just there's such division, and it's very clear. It's like,

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Speaker 3: you know, it's that division is just those couches. I

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00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:12,920
Speaker 3: don't like housewife shows when I can tell you exactly

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Speaker 3: what the reunion couches are going to be. It's much

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Speaker 3: more interesting when like everyone's a little bit in the

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00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:23,320
Speaker 3: mix and I don't really know, you know, where somebody

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00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:25,279
Speaker 3: can disagree with you about one thing and agree with

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Speaker 3: you about the other that's what I want to see.

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Speaker 1: So yes, and it goes back to like old school housewives,

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Speaker 1: you know, where it was sort of like everybody was

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Speaker 1: in the hot seat and you just kind of dealt

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Speaker 1: with it in and was able to play.

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Speaker 2: So very interesting, very interesting.

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Speaker 1: I do think Teresa is the only housewife right now

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Speaker 1: that can sustain a spin off of her family and

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Speaker 1: husband and children and seeing what that life is like.

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Speaker 1: So I do agree with you in terms of that.

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Speaker 1: What is making me having pauls is I just don't

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Speaker 1: know if Jersey can continue without Teresa, like I always

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Speaker 1: felt that Ronie cannot continue without Ramona. So that's where

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Speaker 1: my mind is. Although with that, with that being said,

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Speaker 1: everybody is replaceable. That's my that's my cardinal rule on

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Speaker 1: all my shows. So that's why there is something about this,

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Speaker 1: and I think this is a happy medium. Yes, I

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Speaker 1: think you. I think you put Melissa and Joe and

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Speaker 1: Paul's Oh okay, you you set up next season to

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Speaker 1: be teresa send off season for her spin off. Because

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Speaker 1: the thing is this, you have to see whether or

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Speaker 1: not the show can survive without a Teresa presence, and

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Speaker 1: I think the only way you can see that is

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Speaker 1: really seeing less of Teresa next season because she's getting

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Speaker 1: ready for her spin off.

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Speaker 2: It's sort of like.

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Speaker 1: How Kim Zosey got Got Don't Be Tardy season five.

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Speaker 1: Kim Zosiak was in the first five episodes, and then

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Speaker 1: we introduced Kenya and Portia. You still had Nini and Phaede.

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Speaker 1: You're on Candy and Cynthia. So when Kim left, which

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Speaker 1: was interesting, the ratings increased because you still had people

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Speaker 1: who was able to carry the load.

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Speaker 2: So that's what's going to have to happen to me.

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Speaker 3: Well, I understand what you mean. I don't know if

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Speaker 3: she needs a full season to do that. It could

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Speaker 3: be five episodes or three epos I mean her wedding

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00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:38,040
Speaker 3: special actually also could be the episode if you think

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Speaker 3: about it, to sunset her into our happy ending next chapter.

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Speaker 3: I know what you mean about it. I don't think that.

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Speaker 3: I do think that you're underestimating the importance of Joe Gorga.

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Speaker 3: And I say Joe specifically with no disrespect to Melissa.

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Speaker 3: I do think Melissa's a great housewife and very loved

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Speaker 3: and very respected by the audience. But Joe is the

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Speaker 3: glue that holds those guys together, and absolutely those guys

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Speaker 3: will fall apart without Joe, and those guys there's magic

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Speaker 3: in them. They're not getting paid to be together, and

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Speaker 3: yet they still do. They contribute. They show us a

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Speaker 3: lot of really great stuff. I'm very charmed by their

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Speaker 3: brotherhood in a way and their scenes together, and I

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Speaker 3: think it's necessary, a necessary ingredient that makes Jersey special,

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Speaker 3: and that's what I don't want to lose. So I

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Speaker 3: worry that without Joe that won't exist. I don't see

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Speaker 3: no disrespect to him, you know. I don't see Rachel

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Speaker 3: Fuda's husband or Danielle Cabral's husband being the same sort

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Speaker 3: of energy or the glue to bring that team together.

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Speaker 3: But I do think those women are very good and

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Speaker 3: one other new housewife next season. You really have a

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Speaker 3: perfect launching pad to see sort of what it could be.

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Speaker 2: And gentlemen, there you have it. So let us know.

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Speaker 1: Go on Twitter hashtag Reality with the King and let

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Speaker 1: Teresa to stay, who do you want to stay and

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Speaker 1: who do you want to go?

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