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Speaker 1: Unpacking the Toolboxes, a production of Shondaland Audio in partnership

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Speaker 1: with Higheart, Radioshas and.

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Speaker 2: Katie Hiji Hi kick.

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Speaker 1: A curly Curly.

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Speaker 3: My second grade teacher used to always missus kaylish.

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Speaker 4: She was so mean, but she.

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Speaker 3: Would always sing cocka cocade, My beautiful Katie. There's some

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Speaker 3: fucking song, remember I know?

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Speaker 5: To you?

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Speaker 1: She would sing it to you.

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Speaker 3: To me when I entered the classroom. Is there any

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Speaker 3: childhood song where Guillermo is in Hell?

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Speaker 2: No?

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Speaker 1: Remember Romper Room? I mean you're you're much younger than

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Speaker 1: I am. But there was no show called Room, and

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Speaker 1: the host and the beginning would look into this magical

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Speaker 1: mirror and be like, I see you Tommy and Katie

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Speaker 1: and John and Barbara and Ted and.

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Speaker 6: Never like how about in New York when you go

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Speaker 6: into the trinket stores and it's like you can get

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Speaker 6: a little license plate or a little pencil with like

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Speaker 6: Katie's always on there, and and it's always in a

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Speaker 6: variation of spellings.

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Speaker 3: I might get k A T I E, which is

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Speaker 3: how I spell it. There might be K A T

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Speaker 3: y whatever. But you are just straight up funk.

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Speaker 7: No.

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Speaker 1: They would be like, well, get a William william Is.

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Speaker 4: I'm like is William gear.

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Speaker 1: Well William is like the English version of Ghirmo. So

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Speaker 1: my friends, you know, teachers and and my my friends

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Speaker 1: I couldn't pronounce, would call me Willie like Willie was

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Speaker 1: my name in school, like for w I L L

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Speaker 1: I E. Willy. Oh God, not Willy.

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Speaker 4: I call you that from.

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Speaker 1: Now, please. I like it. I actually like it. I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna get Willy tatted on me.

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Speaker 8: I don't know if you can tell Willy Willy Willy

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Speaker 8: William that I have a lot of extra kick and

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Speaker 8: pep in my step today.

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Speaker 6: Why Well, because we have the most exciting guest for

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Speaker 6: our listeners today.

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Speaker 1: I mean, we're obsessed with her.

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Speaker 4: We're obsessed with her.

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Speaker 1: I'm obsessed with us.

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Speaker 3: I mean colearly, I mean, and there is no Scandal

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Speaker 3: without this person, without this person's performance. And honestly, she

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Speaker 3: changed my life in like every way, because well.

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Speaker 4: That's just because that's the person she is.

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Speaker 3: I don't think anyone who has been lucky enough to

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Speaker 3: spend time with the one and only number one of

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Speaker 3: Scandal could say that she hadn't changed their life, because

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Speaker 3: that's just the magnitude of human that she is.

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Speaker 4: Yes, she's fucking hilarious.

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Speaker 3: That's the other thing, Like, Okay, she's an activist, she's

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Speaker 3: the best actress ever. She's a director, she's a producer.

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Speaker 3: She's been on Broadway, she's been in movies. She's led

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Speaker 3: the Democratic National Convention. She's ridiculously the accolades and the.

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Speaker 4: Respect and all of that, but girl is fucking Hirio.

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Speaker 1: That's one of my favorite things about Carrie is remember

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Speaker 1: laughing with her on set, Like laughing with her was

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Speaker 1: so much fun, so so much fun. And look, I

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Speaker 1: wear my shirt that says queen, because Carrie is the queen.

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Speaker 3: She's our queen. She's our queen of Scandal. And she

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Speaker 3: also was the best number one. Yes, I honestly think

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Speaker 3: this business has ever seen.

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Speaker 1: She spoiled. She spoiled all of other TV shows that

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Speaker 1: I was a regular, which was like two others, But

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Speaker 1: she spoiled that for because the amount of you know,

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Speaker 1: class and and uh just a positiveness and respect that

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Speaker 1: I expected from my number ones after Scandal was like

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Speaker 1: beyond possible anything that I ever got.

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Speaker 7: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was like you're no Kerry Washington, No, I

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Speaker 1: mean she and.

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Speaker 3: Also how I behaved on set like I truly think

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Speaker 3: there was like speeches made. You know, obviously you guys

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Speaker 3: have heard on the podcast that well, we knew that

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Speaker 3: the end was coming our last season, so there were

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Speaker 3: so many goodbyes. But they kept saying over and over

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Speaker 3: again that everyone who was lucky enough to be on

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Speaker 3: this set could go off into their other sets, of

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Speaker 3: their other jobs, knowing that this type of family feel

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Speaker 3: and behavior was even possible, and that you could strive

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Speaker 3: for that and like exist, you should try to have

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Speaker 3: your cast and crew feel like this. But my god,

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Speaker 3: this woman, I mean she didn't. Every time she got

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Speaker 4: Do you remember this ship?

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Speaker 3: Gather the entire crew and cast and just like make

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Speaker 3: the most beautiful speech about mouth that it was about

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Speaker 3: she did all the time, but how it was everyone

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Speaker 3: like that, She was nothing without the rest of us

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Speaker 3: and the crew and the grip. She knew everyone's names,

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Speaker 3: everyone's significant others' names, who was expecting children, who were

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Speaker 3: purchasing homes, who needed help like it was.

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Speaker 1: And she would also, Katie, do you remember she would

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Speaker 1: when we had background on set whenever we had background,

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Speaker 1: she would take a moment, either before we started shooting

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Speaker 1: or after, to say, Hey, I just want to take

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Speaker 1: a minute to say thank you to you guys. Without you, guys,

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Speaker 1: we cannot have you know, made scandal, So thank you

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Speaker 1: background actors.

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Speaker 4: You always did that.

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Speaker 1: That's the first time I ever saw that on set.

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Speaker 3: On a side, I've never seen that either. Remember the

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Speaker 3: lawn Chair episode.

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Speaker 1: With them, Oh my god, yeah.

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Speaker 4: With uh Courtney b Vance.

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Speaker 3: The background actors have to be screaming horrific racial slur

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Speaker 3: because it's about us shooting all this and and Carrie

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Speaker 3: is like saying, like, thank you so much for your performance.

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Speaker 3: Like I know this is not easy. I know this

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Speaker 3: is hard. This is taking so much energy and it's hard,

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Speaker 3: ugly things to say. And like, the girl is a leader.

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Speaker 3: I mean she's not going to run for president, but

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Speaker 3: my good god, if I wish she would, we would

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Speaker 3: be so lucky because it's.

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Speaker 1: Not only you can't do yeah, And not only do

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Speaker 1: we have Carrie Washington on this episode, we have a

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Speaker 1: plethora of other amazing guest actors. One of my favorites

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Speaker 1: is Matt Leshu, who plays Jimmy Chambers. Of course, George

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Speaker 1: Newburn is in this episode. He plays Charlie Freaking Kate Burton,

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Speaker 1: Dan Bucatinski.

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Speaker 3: Oh Brendon Hines as Diddyon Wallace, although in this episode

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Speaker 3: he does.

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Speaker 1: She did in this episode.

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Speaker 1: Bella me Young is listed as a guest star in

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Speaker 1: this episode because she's not a regular yet on the show.

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Speaker 3: Bellamy did not become a regular until we got picked

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Speaker 3: up for a second season. And by the way, we're

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Speaker 3: talking today about episode one oh seven called Grant for

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Speaker 3: the People, which aired on May seventeenth in twenty twelve.

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Speaker 4: It was written by the Shonda Rhimes, our other queen.

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Speaker 3: There were two queens to make Scandal, Shan and Carry,

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Speaker 3: and it was directed by Roxanne Dawson.

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Speaker 4: But at the time that we shot this.

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Speaker 3: Episode, we didn't know we were going to get a

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Speaker 3: second No, we had never aired an episode like yeah,

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Speaker 3: we shot it and no one had seen it. So

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Speaker 3: we were still in this like perfect little bubble where

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Speaker 3: we have no clue how the show was going to

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Speaker 3: be received.

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Speaker 1: Listen, what I love about our show and about our

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Speaker 1: cast is not not one year of our seven seasons

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Speaker 1: did I ever or any of us ever feel like

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Speaker 1: ah cool, I'll see you guys next year. We're picked up.

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Speaker 1: It was ever after every single season we were like,

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Speaker 1: get picked up. We never got cocky about this stuff.

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Speaker 3: Never.

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Speaker 1: We didn't take it for granted, no pun intended, but

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Speaker 1: grant for the people. The name of this episode, grant

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Speaker 1: taken for granted for the people. But yeah, we were

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Speaker 4: That's because shit rolls down hill and Garry Garry.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Never, yes, never took the show, the job or characters

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Speaker 3: the writing for granted before she comes on, which were

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Speaker 3: obviously tickled tickled. Let me just tell you fill in

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Speaker 3: the rest, which is we we said Brendan Hines is

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Speaker 4: Be it because he died.

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Speaker 3: We have Brian Lesser, his Tom Troy Winbush's Morris Elcott,

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Speaker 3: love him so much. Shannon Cochrane is the Attorney General Sawyer.

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Speaker 3: Mark Harrolock is the Press secretary.

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Speaker 1: Marvin Colgate, you're fired, Marvin. That's my favorite.

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Speaker 4: By get the fuck out.

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Speaker 1: The synopsis is Olivia and the team rally after Quinn

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Speaker 1: finds Gideon Wallace dying in his apartment. Cyrus turns to

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Speaker 1: Olivia with annnouncement that affects fits his presidency.

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Speaker 3: And that's all we're giving you. It's a very short synopsis.

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Speaker 3: What did you think of my acting in this episode?

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Speaker 1: Katie? I love your acting, Katie, Katie, listen, can you

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Speaker 1: look my first page of notes, says Katie's performance in

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Speaker 1: the scene where she walks in on Gideon and with

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Speaker 1: the team is electric. It's thutt, roll and raw. It's

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Speaker 1: mesmerizing all the words like literally the stuff that I

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Speaker 4: Me, Willy will Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, I love that. I told you my

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Speaker 1: friends called me Willy like for eighteen years of my life.

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Speaker 4: Oh to talk about you were so.

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Speaker 1: So good in this episode, Katie, Like truly, I think

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Speaker 1: I think you thrive on. I think I'm the same too.

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Speaker 1: It was such a you had to play all this

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Speaker 1: and you just oh, you were just so real.

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Speaker 3: Love a high steak moment, people, I love a high

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Speaker 3: steak moment.

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Speaker 1: And the shivering you were shivering through your lines. Oh

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Speaker 1: my god. If you guys have not seen this episode,

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Speaker 1: you gotta watch it.

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Speaker 3: It's not just the finally episode of the first season,

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Speaker 3: and Quinn walks in and sees that giddy She's like, oh,

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Speaker 4: And then it's like, oh no, and the coffee.

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Speaker 3: Falls on the ground, which I remember being on a

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Speaker 3: Friday night and they said, you can only do this once.

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Speaker 3: I had to nail that coffee drop slip out of

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Speaker 3: my hand that spoils everywhere one time.

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Speaker 1: I love it.

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Speaker 3: And then I see Giddey in just wow, scissors in

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Speaker 3: his neck that Billy Chambers put in there because he

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Speaker 3: was really close. So a couple of things I remember

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Speaker 3: is A that I had to nail that coffee drop

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Speaker 3: once and b I had to reshoot pulling the scissors

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Speaker 1: No, do you remember.

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Speaker 3: No, we shot the first season and I get a

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Speaker 3: call like months later saying you have to come in.

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Speaker 4: And first of all, I was like, I'm fired.

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Speaker 1: Always every time we got that call, I'm fired.

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Speaker 3: After not getting fired, they were like, you have to

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Speaker 4: We're the stupidest. We would like to present the one,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's not so dumb. It's like you're making such

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Speaker 5: So everybody knew about this script, Like every black woman

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Speaker 7: We feel like you're really right for it. But Shonda,

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Speaker 5: and seeing this huge sign that said Shonda Land.

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00:22:09,080 --> 00:22:11,280
Speaker 7: And I was like, Oh, I don't know how this

447
00:22:11,359 --> 00:22:11,840
Speaker 7: is going to go.

448
00:22:12,880 --> 00:22:14,280
Speaker 4: Like this seems a lot.

449
00:22:14,520 --> 00:22:18,520
Speaker 5: Yeah, I was like, give up my citizenship and move

450
00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:19,760
Speaker 5: to somebody's land.

451
00:22:21,240 --> 00:22:23,919
Speaker 7: And I was nervous. I was like, gosh, I don't know.

452
00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:26,800
Speaker 5: I had done a couple arcs on television, but I'd

453
00:22:26,840 --> 00:22:28,880
Speaker 5: obviously never been in a series. I've done two other

454
00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:32,800
Speaker 5: pilots that I got fired from. Really, yes, but so

455
00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:33,840
Speaker 5: I met with Shanda.

456
00:22:34,119 --> 00:22:37,159
Speaker 3: For all the actors listening, my god, is that like

457
00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:38,440
Speaker 3: a hopeful Yeah.

458
00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:40,560
Speaker 7: The two other pilots I did before Skindle, I was

459
00:22:40,680 --> 00:22:41,880
Speaker 7: fired and both.

460
00:22:41,600 --> 00:22:44,040
Speaker 4: Shows why because you were too talented or too beautiful?

461
00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:46,640
Speaker 7: No, both shows wet, but they replaced me.

462
00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:51,080
Speaker 3: You know why, probably because they knew you were a

463
00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:53,800
Speaker 3: star and you were stealing in from the rest.

464
00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:56,920
Speaker 5: No, it was a little bit and Garmoy no will

465
00:22:56,960 --> 00:23:00,600
Speaker 5: identify with this. One of them was like they they

466
00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:03,439
Speaker 5: wanted it to be a more like Girl from the

467
00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:05,679
Speaker 5: Hood version of the character. And I was like, I

468
00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:07,639
Speaker 5: just don't see it that way, and they were like,

469
00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:08,360
Speaker 5: well then you.

470
00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:12,479
Speaker 7: Don't ask me want Yeah, wow exactly. But the other one,

471
00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:14,080
Speaker 7: I'm not really sure what happened, but yeah.

472
00:23:14,119 --> 00:23:16,480
Speaker 5: So I so I met with Shanda. I sat down

473
00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:20,160
Speaker 5: and I loved her immediately. I just loved her immediately.

474
00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:24,199
Speaker 5: I was like, oh, she's so lovely, and Betsy was

475
00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:26,040
Speaker 5: so lovely, and she said to me, you know, if

476
00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:29,480
Speaker 5: this goes well, this could be like a seven year commitment,

477
00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:30,840
Speaker 5: and I was like, yeah, sure.

478
00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:35,160
Speaker 1: I just thought, no way that's gonna happen.

479
00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:39,280
Speaker 7: She's barely getting out the air as a lead. Like,

480
00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:43,080
Speaker 7: let's let's take it one day to go down. Yeah, exactly.

481
00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:44,800
Speaker 5: But I fell in love with her, and then of

482
00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:46,879
Speaker 5: course I was like, I'll read. I'll read a hundred

483
00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:48,240
Speaker 5: times if you want me to. And then I did

484
00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:52,000
Speaker 5: read about one hundred times. My friend Colleen Bassis was

485
00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:56,320
Speaker 5: my acting coach for the audition, but she's still an

486
00:23:56,359 --> 00:23:58,840
Speaker 5: acting coach, so people seek her out if you're looking.

487
00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:00,720
Speaker 7: And so I got to the fine screen tests. I

488
00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:02,600
Speaker 7: think it was down to me and two other actresses.

489
00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:04,320
Speaker 7: Two or three other actresses.

490
00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:07,760
Speaker 5: But I remember like the intensity around it because we

491
00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:11,159
Speaker 5: all knew these opportunities were few and far between, And

492
00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:13,920
Speaker 5: when I got the call that it was mine, I

493
00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:18,960
Speaker 5: just was just be I couldn't. I felt like the

494
00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:22,000
Speaker 5: luckiest human being on the planet, just so blessed I was,

495
00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:24,199
Speaker 5: you know, I felt so lucky.

496
00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:26,080
Speaker 4: You know what, I knew it was going to be well,

497
00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:26,760
Speaker 4: I never knew.

498
00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:27,919
Speaker 3: I didn't know it was going to be a hit

499
00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:29,880
Speaker 3: until the middle of second season when we were out

500
00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:31,680
Speaker 3: in public and all of a sudden, women were throwing

501
00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:33,280
Speaker 3: themselves at Tony Goldwin and I was like, what the

502
00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:39,280
Speaker 3: fuck is happening. But before that, your dad, Earl said

503
00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:43,919
Speaker 3: something like I know when I'm making this up in

504
00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:46,160
Speaker 3: my head, but it was something like I said, say,

505
00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:48,120
Speaker 3: the Last Dance was going to be the biggest thing ever,

506
00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:50,560
Speaker 3: and I'm saying it right here, right now, Scandal is

507
00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:51,439
Speaker 3: going to be huge.

508
00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:56,320
Speaker 4: Like Earl's got the crystal he knows.

509
00:24:56,359 --> 00:24:57,240
Speaker 7: And by the way, like.

510
00:24:57,240 --> 00:24:59,399
Speaker 5: You know, my dad, it's so funny because my dad

511
00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:05,080
Speaker 5: is such a dreamer. He's like he really sees beyond

512
00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:08,600
Speaker 5: the possibilities of what's real and so like that.

513
00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:11,119
Speaker 1: You know, he He.

514
00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:12,280
Speaker 7: Gave me permission to dream big in my life.

515
00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:13,600
Speaker 5: You know, I always feel like my mother is the

516
00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:17,159
Speaker 5: one who taught me how to be practical and work ethic,

517
00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:20,840
Speaker 5: But my dad gave me that ability to be the

518
00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:24,360
Speaker 5: big dreamer. And he really he saw the potential of.

519
00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:26,640
Speaker 7: This show from the beginning, which I'm so great, but.

520
00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:29,800
Speaker 1: He and he would whenever we would encounter your parents,

521
00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:32,159
Speaker 1: they were the biggest fans of the show. They were

522
00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:35,480
Speaker 1: the biggest I mean, I'll stay right here with you guys.

523
00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:37,600
Speaker 1: Your dad was like and your mom were like, we

524
00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:43,679
Speaker 1: love Huck and give me so much love. And I

525
00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:47,000
Speaker 1: was like, oh my god. But it was sincere and honest.

526
00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:49,800
Speaker 1: It wasn't like, you know, like, oh, it's Carrie's parents saying, yeah,

527
00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:51,840
Speaker 1: we love the show, you were great on it. They

528
00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:55,000
Speaker 1: were truly like, no, sit down for a second with me,

529
00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:56,400
Speaker 1: and let's talk about hook.

530
00:25:56,800 --> 00:26:03,040
Speaker 4: Because around with their scandal like raincoats. Yes, they wear

531
00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:05,000
Speaker 4: their set jacket.

532
00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:07,439
Speaker 7: They still wear them. You know, my dad has a

533
00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:09,600
Speaker 7: bit of an obsession with Scott Pully. I think I

534
00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:12,480
Speaker 7: told you he's in love. My father's in love it.

535
00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:14,800
Speaker 5: One day we were in the car, my parents were

536
00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:18,480
Speaker 5: visiting set as always, and and I was driving them

537
00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:21,120
Speaker 5: home from set and my little green Prius and.

538
00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:23,440
Speaker 4: I remember you in that prich.

539
00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:25,919
Speaker 7: And my dad super quiet on the ride, and all

540
00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:27,000
Speaker 7: of a sudden he says.

541
00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:31,200
Speaker 5: You know what, I think that it was Scott Foley's

542
00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:34,000
Speaker 5: nose that Michael Jackson was going for.

543
00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:37,960
Speaker 1: How random. I love it.

544
00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:43,080
Speaker 5: My dad thinks about that, Yeah, like that heat that

545
00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:47,199
Speaker 5: like Scott Pully has the epitome of a gorgeous.

546
00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:50,080
Speaker 7: Anglican male Mys.

547
00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:54,119
Speaker 5: The richest, you know, talented pop star in the world.

548
00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:55,720
Speaker 7: Was like, I could pick any nose in the world,

549
00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:56,240
Speaker 7: it would.

550
00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:58,080
Speaker 5: Be Scott fully And I was like, Dad, you're obsessing

551
00:26:58,119 --> 00:26:59,840
Speaker 5: about Scott Poley's nose on the way home.

552
00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:01,400
Speaker 7: So funny.

553
00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:03,280
Speaker 1: We'll be right back, guys.

554
00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:08,359
Speaker 7: Wait.

555
00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:12,240
Speaker 3: In one oh seven is the episode where Carrie found

556
00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:19,240
Speaker 3: out that gear Moo Diaz liked boys. Yes, episode, I'll

557
00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:21,920
Speaker 3: never forget it because she went the whole first season

558
00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:23,520
Speaker 3: not knowing.

559
00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:25,560
Speaker 1: I hate that. I hate that because I don't want

560
00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:27,600
Speaker 1: you to have one moment of feeling like, well, why

561
00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:28,440
Speaker 1: don't you tell me?

562
00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:29,080
Speaker 7: You know?

563
00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:31,359
Speaker 5: No, I'm just such you know what it is, because

564
00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:33,240
Speaker 5: I you know, I put my head in the sand

565
00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:35,400
Speaker 5: with the work. I'm just like so in the work,

566
00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:37,600
Speaker 5: and I wasn't as into the gossip, which I also

567
00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:39,280
Speaker 5: was a little strategic because I was like, I don't

568
00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:39,959
Speaker 5: want to be in the gossip.

569
00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:41,840
Speaker 7: I kind of want to be Switzerland when it comes

570
00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:42,439
Speaker 7: to the castle.

571
00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:46,879
Speaker 5: So but I remember turning to you and saying like, so, Gearmo,

572
00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:48,040
Speaker 5: do you have a girlfriend?

573
00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:54,600
Speaker 1: And I was like, kind of, I don't remember.

574
00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:58,000
Speaker 5: He's so sexy and he's so funny and he's so

575
00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:01,240
Speaker 5: smart and I'm taken, but boy, like I.

576
00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:04,600
Speaker 7: Set him up if he's up with somebody, he's so hot.

577
00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:06,840
Speaker 4: Oh you know what?

578
00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:10,919
Speaker 3: Also, you you were more quiet for season. I mean

579
00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:14,200
Speaker 3: it's not only like Carrie was not, you know, strategic.

580
00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:17,119
Speaker 3: That was a great plan, but Germo also wasn't. Like

581
00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:18,720
Speaker 3: the only reason I knew was because I was like,

582
00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:20,439
Speaker 3: where do you live? And he was like close to

583
00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:23,399
Speaker 3: the parade and I was like what parade are you

584
00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:24,440
Speaker 3: talking about?

585
00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:24,840
Speaker 7: Patrick?

586
00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:29,000
Speaker 4: Oh, I'll never forget.

587
00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:30,960
Speaker 7: It was that war seeky way of coming out.

588
00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:34,720
Speaker 3: Do you think, well, Santa Monica, like, you know, it's great,

589
00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:37,480
Speaker 3: Like that's like I he either said him right by

590
00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:38,000
Speaker 3: the crators.

591
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:39,719
Speaker 4: So I go to the parate and I was like

592
00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:41,520
Speaker 4: what parade are we talking?

593
00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:43,560
Speaker 1: But also you guys got to remember I was born

594
00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:46,360
Speaker 1: in the eighties, Like I was, you know, a teenager

595
00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:48,720
Speaker 1: in my twenties during a time where this ship wasn't

596
00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:51,160
Speaker 1: like people were like all great, last time you and

597
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:53,960
Speaker 1: your boyfriend over, Like I was still very like guarded

598
00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:56,920
Speaker 1: and like, I don't know if this is going to change.

599
00:28:56,720 --> 00:28:59,040
Speaker 7: Perceptions, play all the roles.

600
00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:02,600
Speaker 1: If people know yes, yes, yes, it was.

601
00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:06,880
Speaker 7: Such a trailblazer, and that such a trailblazer, so much.

602
00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:12,000
Speaker 5: Like being out letting people not and also like just saying, actually,

603
00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:13,600
Speaker 5: now that I think about it, I think that you

604
00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:17,000
Speaker 5: were really inspiring for me in terms of like when

605
00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:18,600
Speaker 5: I got to a place where I was like, Okay,

606
00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:20,760
Speaker 5: I'm not going to deny my personal.

607
00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:22,440
Speaker 7: Life, but I also don't need to plaster.

608
00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:24,520
Speaker 5: It everywhere like you were. Just I'm living my life

609
00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:26,400
Speaker 5: for me. I'm in my truth for me. I'm not

610
00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:28,880
Speaker 5: going to hide who I am, and I'm still going

611
00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:30,440
Speaker 5: to play all the roles like I'm.

612
00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:32,160
Speaker 7: Gonna I'm gonna be with women, I'm gonna be with men.

613
00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:34,400
Speaker 5: I'm going to be all of who I am and

614
00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:37,080
Speaker 5: as an artist and also be in my truth as

615
00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:41,080
Speaker 5: a human so that means oh.

616
00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:43,680
Speaker 3: I remember running home and being like, oh, is he

617
00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:48,360
Speaker 3: out publicly? Because even at the beginning of Scandal, I

618
00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:51,840
Speaker 3: feel like actors, I think even a lot has changed

619
00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:53,440
Speaker 3: in the last ten years.

620
00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:55,560
Speaker 4: Like one, and I hope it continues to do so.

621
00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:57,600
Speaker 3: But I can remember in the beginning of Scandal me

622
00:29:57,680 --> 00:29:59,480
Speaker 3: being like, I don't know if he's like out publicly,

623
00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:01,640
Speaker 3: because I think that that's like a choice that actors

624
00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:03,720
Speaker 3: make and whether or not they do talk about it

625
00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:05,800
Speaker 3: or don't, and it's like a whole fucking thing. And

626
00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:08,000
Speaker 3: I remember going home and being like, Oh, no, he's

627
00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:10,440
Speaker 3: like really like out publicly. He's been in like gay

628
00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:11,560
Speaker 3: magazines and like all this.

629
00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:13,400
Speaker 1: I remember the time I had done a movie called

630
00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:15,840
Speaker 1: Stonewall about the Stonewall Riots in sixty nine, and I

631
00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:17,840
Speaker 1: was the lead. I was a drag queen in it,

632
00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:21,600
Speaker 1: and I remember my managers saying, you have to make

633
00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:23,840
Speaker 1: a choice. Are you you're gonna be doing a lot

634
00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:26,560
Speaker 1: of press. Are you gonna say you're gay? We think

635
00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:29,040
Speaker 1: you shouldn't say you're gay, Or are you gonna say

636
00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:31,000
Speaker 1: you're you're straight? You know what I mean? And I

637
00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:32,400
Speaker 1: had to make it and I was like, there's no

638
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:34,719
Speaker 1: way I'm freaking lying. And from that point on, I

639
00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:36,760
Speaker 1: was like, I don't care, Like this is who I am.

640
00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:38,600
Speaker 1: If people don't want to work with me, then fine,

641
00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:40,400
Speaker 1: then I don't want to work with them either. But

642
00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:42,560
Speaker 1: I was like, I cannot be that person who's.

643
00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:43,520
Speaker 7: Like living a lie.

644
00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:46,040
Speaker 1: Oh, there's no way. I'm too anxious for that shit.

645
00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:47,000
Speaker 1: I was like, oh my.

646
00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:50,720
Speaker 3: Gosh, when I'm going back and watching these episodes, which honestly, Carrie,

647
00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:53,240
Speaker 3: you like not being my friend and one of the

648
00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:57,560
Speaker 3: great loves of my life, I cannot believe the acting

649
00:30:58,080 --> 00:31:01,920
Speaker 3: you did in this part. Do you remember, like before

650
00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:04,840
Speaker 3: the pilot, building all these things like her walk and

651
00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:09,400
Speaker 3: her like neck tilt of like and I just can't

652
00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:13,640
Speaker 3: believe the person you built in your preparation for her?

653
00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:16,640
Speaker 3: Did you coach? Was someone build her from the outside in?

654
00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:18,280
Speaker 3: Was it you're fitting with Lynn Paolo?

655
00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:18,640
Speaker 7: Like?

656
00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:21,000
Speaker 4: How? Or did she? Was it a slow burn?

657
00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:21,360
Speaker 1: Like?

658
00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:22,920
Speaker 4: I like, how did she come to be?

659
00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:26,800
Speaker 7: No? It was actually really interesting. I remember I remember.

660
00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:29,040
Speaker 5: Working with Colleen on the audition, and I felt like,

661
00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:31,440
Speaker 5: you know a lot of times when you are just

662
00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:37,360
Speaker 5: meeting material for me, the first work for that first

663
00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:39,320
Speaker 5: hour was like, what do I know about this?

664
00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:41,320
Speaker 7: Where do I connect with her? How do I reveal

665
00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:42,959
Speaker 7: myself in this? Right?

666
00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:45,080
Speaker 5: Like how do I find the places where she and

667
00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:46,959
Speaker 5: I meet? And then let the rest of it kind

668
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:49,240
Speaker 5: of fall away. So it was a lot of bringing

669
00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:51,720
Speaker 5: myself to it. But also that point in my career

670
00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:54,600
Speaker 5: I had developed sort of red carpet Carrie who was

671
00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:57,400
Speaker 5: a version of me, but it was like the version

672
00:31:57,400 --> 00:32:00,480
Speaker 5: of me that I was learning to cultivate that or

673
00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:03,280
Speaker 5: fancy outfits and could go to all these premieres of

674
00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:05,520
Speaker 5: all these movies I was in, and so she was

675
00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:07,800
Speaker 5: like a larger than life version of me who stood

676
00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:09,800
Speaker 5: differently and walked differently, and in a lot of ways,

677
00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:12,360
Speaker 5: Olivia Pope was like her presentation of self in the

678
00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:14,200
Speaker 5: world was a little bit red carpet carry and then

679
00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:17,960
Speaker 5: her her inner messy emotional life was more my inner,

680
00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:20,880
Speaker 5: messy emotional life. So that was kind of the job

681
00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:23,240
Speaker 5: in the pilot. But then I remember meeting with Susan

682
00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:26,240
Speaker 5: Batson again. I trained with with Susan Batson and with

683
00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:29,880
Speaker 5: Colleen Barry. Barry at the time maybe no basis to

684
00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:32,000
Speaker 5: her married name is basis, but training with both of

685
00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:34,920
Speaker 5: them for the audition, and I remember saying to Susan

686
00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:38,240
Speaker 5: after I got it, how do I do this for

687
00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:40,320
Speaker 5: all these episodes now? Because I don't want to just

688
00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:43,400
Speaker 5: be myself on TV, Like I have to figure out

689
00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:47,400
Speaker 5: how to be specific about where she ends, and I

690
00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:49,240
Speaker 5: begin I felt like I didn't have to be that

691
00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:51,360
Speaker 5: specific in the pilot. I was willing to be really

692
00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:53,000
Speaker 5: messy about that, but I was like, if I don't

693
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:55,760
Speaker 5: start to have some delineation about where.

694
00:32:55,600 --> 00:33:00,360
Speaker 7: She ends ten months of the year, being like, when

695
00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:02,520
Speaker 7: I go back to myself, you know, how do I

696
00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:05,960
Speaker 7: return to who I am? So the clothes helped a lot.

697
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:07,680
Speaker 5: The shoes, like, I don't know if you guys remember,

698
00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:09,760
Speaker 5: but I would roll up I set at crew call

699
00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:11,920
Speaker 5: and be in sweatpants, but I always had to have

700
00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:15,280
Speaker 5: my foot on your Earharal, Yeah, yeah, I remember you.

701
00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:18,720
Speaker 4: Never ever ever. First of all, opposite, I'm a hack.

702
00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:24,560
Speaker 3: I didn't wear my shoes as long as humanly possible,

703
00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:26,200
Speaker 3: which actually, you know what, no fuck that, I'm not

704
00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:28,360
Speaker 3: a hack. I've heard that Viola Davis does all of

705
00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:30,960
Speaker 3: her Bessie barefoot or in ugs, because.

706
00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:34,160
Speaker 1: There's no way, so do I. You got either, Harry.

707
00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:37,920
Speaker 3: And Olivia Pope was like, I never saw you in

708
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:39,080
Speaker 3: rehearsal without your shoes on.

709
00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:41,800
Speaker 5: No, I felt like they were really important for how

710
00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:43,600
Speaker 5: to stand and how to walk.

711
00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:46,480
Speaker 7: And then I figured out how to be her barefoot

712
00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:49,480
Speaker 7: in my apartment. But but I always had to come.

713
00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:52,120
Speaker 5: If I was going to be in shoes in the scene,

714
00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:53,840
Speaker 5: I had to be in her shoes, otherwise I wouldn't

715
00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:56,160
Speaker 5: know where in the room I would be. I just

716
00:33:56,240 --> 00:33:58,480
Speaker 5: think that was sort of a real way into her

717
00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:02,040
Speaker 5: and seems we're a huge part of it, Lynn Poolow, because.

718
00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:03,000
Speaker 7: I felt like that was her armor.

719
00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:07,480
Speaker 5: The way you know her her expertise was storytelling and

720
00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:09,640
Speaker 5: narrative and how people present in the world. So I

721
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:12,120
Speaker 5: knew that how she presented in the world had to

722
00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:18,000
Speaker 5: be really specific, really on point, elegant, smart. So yeah,

723
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:21,080
Speaker 5: all that stuff really really really really helped. And then

724
00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:23,279
Speaker 5: giving over to the language, you know, in that like

725
00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:25,480
Speaker 5: David Mammott way and that Shanna Reim's way, like just

726
00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:28,560
Speaker 5: giving over to the language. She was there. She was

727
00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:30,960
Speaker 5: in the words. I don't speak like that, but she

728
00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:32,239
Speaker 5: she's in the words.

729
00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:36,560
Speaker 1: And when something is written really well, it flows out

730
00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:39,440
Speaker 1: of your mouth so easily. It's so satisfying. It's like

731
00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:40,880
Speaker 1: delicious to say the words.

732
00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:44,400
Speaker 3: Right, this chemistry between you and Tony Goldwyn is the

733
00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:47,799
Speaker 3: stupidest shit I've ever seen in my life. Like, I'm

734
00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:50,920
Speaker 3: so wildly uncomfortable. I can't believe how good it is.

735
00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:53,040
Speaker 3: I can't believe I'll steamy it is. I love you

736
00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:55,279
Speaker 3: both as people and individuals. I can't even believe what

737
00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:59,800
Speaker 3: was happening. Yeah, and I'm curious, Like in the pilot,

738
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:02,440
Speaker 3: you guys make out in the corner beneath like a

739
00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:05,360
Speaker 3: curtain and then in to get away from the cameras,

740
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:09,040
Speaker 3: and then in this episode the finale, again you look

741
00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:11,080
Speaker 3: up and you have a kiss, and he says to

742
00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:14,360
Speaker 3: jog your memory, Like, if I resign, or if I

743
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:17,359
Speaker 3: get arrested, you know whatever, for sleeping with Amanda Tann

744
00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:19,680
Speaker 3: or whatever, at least I can be a normal person.

745
00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:22,320
Speaker 4: I can be with you and you like kiss.

746
00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:25,960
Speaker 3: But oh we've I also in season two, which German

747
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:27,759
Speaker 3: and I are were ahead, you know, because we're such

748
00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:28,719
Speaker 3: prepared people and.

749
00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:32,360
Speaker 4: Learning beast number one. We just watched the episode.

750
00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:34,000
Speaker 3: I also just watched the episode where you and he

751
00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:36,279
Speaker 3: were like screwing in the break room that has all

752
00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:37,600
Speaker 3: the core the flights.

753
00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:43,719
Speaker 5: I remember that I was wearing a green yes, yeah, Christening.

754
00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:45,319
Speaker 3: It was your Christening outfit. It was sort of like

755
00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:47,000
Speaker 3: nineteen sixties.

756
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:50,560
Speaker 7: It was a very beautiful Jackie, oh joh, exactly.

757
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:54,440
Speaker 3: What tell me about this chemistry thing? Tell me about

758
00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:56,360
Speaker 3: you and Tony? Did you ever talk about it or

759
00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:58,360
Speaker 3: were you just like it's bigger than both of us

760
00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:00,640
Speaker 3: and thank god because it made everyone want to watch

761
00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:01,000
Speaker 3: the show.

762
00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:06,560
Speaker 7: It's such a good question.

763
00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:09,480
Speaker 5: I don't think we talked about it because I don't

764
00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:12,919
Speaker 5: think we knew until audiences were watching it. We were

765
00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:16,120
Speaker 5: just like two actors doing our job. It wasn't like

766
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:19,480
Speaker 5: the first test, no, you know what the maybe I

767
00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:21,359
Speaker 5: need to be honest. That is how we felt on set.

768
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:24,279
Speaker 7: But when we camera tested, when we did hair and

769
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:25,080
Speaker 7: makeup tests.

770
00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:26,560
Speaker 4: For the show camera testing.

771
00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:27,200
Speaker 7: We did hair and makeup.

772
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:29,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, we all did.

773
00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:30,640
Speaker 4: I remember that. I remember that. I remember that.

774
00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:33,480
Speaker 7: I remember like doing the thing you walk on camera.

775
00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:35,920
Speaker 5: You're in the clothes and with the hair, and then

776
00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:38,120
Speaker 5: Tony comes in and we're walking together, and I remember

777
00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:41,759
Speaker 5: Shanda and Betsy freaking out at the monitors and I

778
00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:44,800
Speaker 5: was like, what's happening? And they were like, you guys

779
00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:47,520
Speaker 5: are just magic together, and we were like, okay, So

780
00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:52,120
Speaker 5: we had this sense, but I knew Tony. So Tony

781
00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:53,440
Speaker 5: and I had both done a lot of work with

782
00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:57,040
Speaker 5: this organization called the Creative Coalition, which is a political

783
00:36:57,080 --> 00:37:00,880
Speaker 5: advocacy organization ironically, and he was co president at the time,

784
00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:03,880
Speaker 5: and so my I hadn't ever worked with Tony as

785
00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:06,680
Speaker 5: an actor, but our interactions as human beings had been

786
00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:09,200
Speaker 5: walking up and down the halls of Congress and at

787
00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:15,000
Speaker 5: the White House talking to people about arts funding and

788
00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:17,600
Speaker 5: arts for the humanity and funding for the humanities, and

789
00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:21,560
Speaker 5: so had we had this like weirdly DC context for

790
00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:23,600
Speaker 5: each other, and we had a great deal of respect

791
00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:26,879
Speaker 5: for each other as like thinking human beings and as

792
00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:30,960
Speaker 5: politically minded individuals, and so you know, I remember saying

793
00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:32,560
Speaker 5: to Shonda like, who's going to be the president?

794
00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:33,960
Speaker 7: On the show? Like who's going to be the president?

795
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:36,640
Speaker 7: And I learned at some like CIA.

796
00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:39,840
Speaker 5: It was either at their Oscar party or their any party,

797
00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:42,920
Speaker 5: and Tony's manager was there and he came up to

798
00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:44,040
Speaker 5: me and he was like, Tony's doing it.

799
00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:46,919
Speaker 7: And I was like yes, just because I knew how

800
00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:48,160
Speaker 7: smart he.

801
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:50,520
Speaker 5: Was and he felt, and Shanda said to me she

802
00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:52,920
Speaker 5: felt like he was the right person because he had

803
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:55,040
Speaker 5: directed at Gray's early on.

804
00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:56,960
Speaker 7: And she knew that whoever was going to play the

805
00:37:57,000 --> 00:37:57,920
Speaker 7: president was somebody.

806
00:37:57,680 --> 00:38:01,160
Speaker 5: Who had to have executive like, somebody who felt like

807
00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:03,200
Speaker 5: they could tell people what to do, like they could

808
00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:06,000
Speaker 5: boss people around and have like, you know, real intelligence

809
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:08,279
Speaker 5: and leadership. And she had seen that in him as

810
00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:11,759
Speaker 5: a director. So I had a lot of respect for him.

811
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:14,400
Speaker 5: I loved him already as a person, and we just

812
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:17,120
Speaker 5: hoped it worked. We just we hoped it worked.

813
00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:20,200
Speaker 1: And you can't really plan that stuff, right, I mean,

814
00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:23,040
Speaker 1: you can't plan that your chemistry is going to work

815
00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:25,560
Speaker 1: on camera. Really, no, necessarily, right.

816
00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:28,960
Speaker 5: I will say for me I and this is I'm

817
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:35,439
Speaker 5: a little bit of a chemistry slut, like I am. I.

818
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:37,440
Speaker 4: I don't want to say it, but you're good at it.

819
00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:40,239
Speaker 5: I never worry about having chemistry with the only time

820
00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:42,880
Speaker 5: I can't have chemistry with an actor is if that

821
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:45,240
Speaker 5: actor has decided that they don't want.

822
00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:46,000
Speaker 7: To have chemistry with me.

823
00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:48,400
Speaker 5: And I've been in those situations, like walking into an

824
00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:49,960
Speaker 5: audition where it's like down to me and I one

825
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:52,120
Speaker 5: other girl and the lead actor has clearly wants the

826
00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:52,960
Speaker 5: other girl, and I'm.

827
00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:56,480
Speaker 1: Like, well, like yeah, yeah, yeah.

828
00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:58,319
Speaker 3: Here's when I don't have chemistry if they if I

829
00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:04,760
Speaker 3: don't like their smell. Like I'm just such a pheromone person.

830
00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:08,160
Speaker 3: And I have been teamed up. I've been like, I've

831
00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:11,040
Speaker 3: had so many love interests on different things, and sometimes

832
00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:14,359
Speaker 3: I'm just like ew, like I don't know this, like

833
00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:19,120
Speaker 3: and I am acting, and I'm just like acting so

834
00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:21,360
Speaker 3: much because I have what I call the ick for

835
00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:24,120
Speaker 3: like the person, like I just like have this like

836
00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:25,040
Speaker 3: I don't want to.

837
00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:26,920
Speaker 4: But then I'm like, okay, it's a paycheck, it's a peck,

838
00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:27,440
Speaker 4: like let's do this.

839
00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:30,600
Speaker 7: Yeah, that's so so there. Here's the other thing that

840
00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:31,640
Speaker 7: and you we would have to.

841
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:33,640
Speaker 4: Sorry you say chemistry, slunt, What does that mean?

842
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:36,440
Speaker 5: It means like that when it comes to finding ways

843
00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:39,319
Speaker 5: to love a character, for my for me to feel

844
00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:42,160
Speaker 5: like my character really loves or likes another character, I

845
00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:44,319
Speaker 5: don't find that hard. And I don't know if that's

846
00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:46,279
Speaker 5: the Aquarius in me that like, I just really like

847
00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:48,680
Speaker 5: people and I see the good in people.

848
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:50,920
Speaker 7: And I like it. I like a lot of different

849
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:54,840
Speaker 7: kinds of people, and so I don't I don't usually

850
00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:55,560
Speaker 7: have a hard time.

851
00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:57,840
Speaker 5: In the history of Skittle, there's maybe been one actor

852
00:39:57,840 --> 00:40:01,040
Speaker 5: where I was like, oh shit, let's.

853
00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:02,880
Speaker 4: Not I have guesses.

854
00:40:04,239 --> 00:40:08,200
Speaker 5: Yes, most of the love interests are like, you know,

855
00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:09,920
Speaker 5: there are guys that I get along with, and so

856
00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:10,640
Speaker 5: you're like.

857
00:40:10,680 --> 00:40:11,719
Speaker 7: I can figure this out.

858
00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:15,080
Speaker 5: Like it's sort of this idea of like there's somebody

859
00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:18,200
Speaker 5: for everybody. Everybody's lovable in some way. Can you look

860
00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:20,880
Speaker 5: for the thing that's like that person's not for me, right, Like,

861
00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:22,880
Speaker 5: not everybody's for me, am I really, but for their.

862
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:25,520
Speaker 3: Character you can fall in love with something in them

863
00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:26,719
Speaker 3: that you can get to.

864
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:30,479
Speaker 1: And also, your chemistry was not only great with love

865
00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:32,880
Speaker 1: interest people, but it was also great with like Quinn

866
00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:34,719
Speaker 1: and with Huck and.

867
00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:38,400
Speaker 4: Oh my god, Abby this friendship.

868
00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:42,359
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, and also Scott Foley right like that it

869
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:45,399
Speaker 5: was sod are you team fits or you.

870
00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:47,200
Speaker 4: Know, like that O Lake or Olan.

871
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:50,440
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's very I think that that also both of

872
00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:53,160
Speaker 5: those guys, by the way, are I'm so lucky to

873
00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:55,600
Speaker 5: have been able to have those two guys just because

874
00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:56,120
Speaker 5: they're both.

875
00:40:56,040 --> 00:40:56,680
Speaker 4: They're the best, dude.

876
00:40:56,680 --> 00:40:59,600
Speaker 5: But that's such a great example, right because they're also

877
00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:02,600
Speaker 5: so different, like Scotty and Tony Goldwyn.

878
00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:05,719
Speaker 1: You could not find completely different different But.

879
00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:07,840
Speaker 5: I was like, I'll figure this out with these guys

880
00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:10,560
Speaker 5: and their characters. I will say, and we should ask

881
00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:13,279
Speaker 5: Tony's permission before we if whether they should stay in

882
00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:16,759
Speaker 5: or not. But one of the amazing things that happened though,

883
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:21,080
Speaker 5: was I think it was during season two Tony said

884
00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:23,719
Speaker 5: something we were in like one of our canoodling bedroom

885
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:25,600
Speaker 5: scenes in Olivia Pope's.

886
00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:27,960
Speaker 7: Bed, and he said something we were talking.

887
00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:30,960
Speaker 5: About like life and love and marriage, just like talking,

888
00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:34,040
Speaker 5: and he said something that I said, Oh, that's so

889
00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:36,960
Speaker 5: interesting because my therapist said something like that to me

890
00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:39,640
Speaker 5: last week. And he looked at me and he said,

891
00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:43,480
Speaker 5: who's your therapist That we had the same street.

892
00:41:43,640 --> 00:41:48,760
Speaker 7: Oh my god for years?

893
00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:51,000
Speaker 4: Oh my god, the odds of.

894
00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:55,120
Speaker 5: That he wasn't currently seeing this person I still was.

895
00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:58,120
Speaker 1: And did you mention it to the therapist?

896
00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:00,640
Speaker 7: My therapist was like yeah, I know, Like he was like,

897
00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:01,040
Speaker 7: this is not.

898
00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:05,560
Speaker 4: A surprise to me, but of course he will last,

899
00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:06,439
Speaker 4: will last.

900
00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:09,000
Speaker 7: He couldn't have told me yeah, but isn't that great?

901
00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:12,719
Speaker 5: And it also so much because I had I felt like,

902
00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:17,160
Speaker 5: you know, Tony and I had such great boundaries, boundaries

903
00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:19,120
Speaker 5: with each other, Like we were able to be in

904
00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:23,200
Speaker 5: this like incredibly romantic space, but our boundaries as adult,

905
00:42:23,239 --> 00:42:25,200
Speaker 5: as like responsible human beings were very clear.

906
00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:27,120
Speaker 7: I have the ultimate respect for his wife. He's the

907
00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:28,560
Speaker 7: ultimate respect for my husband.

908
00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:32,080
Speaker 5: Like, yes, we there was never any despite the tabloids,

909
00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:34,920
Speaker 5: there was never any messy between he and I. We

910
00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:40,719
Speaker 5: were like really responsible, accountable grown ups, you know, respectful

911
00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:43,520
Speaker 5: of each other and each other's lives while still like

912
00:42:43,640 --> 00:42:46,360
Speaker 5: taking those deep risks as actors.

913
00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:48,040
Speaker 4: And also what a scary thing to be.

914
00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:50,120
Speaker 3: Like most people, if you get paired up as a

915
00:42:50,120 --> 00:42:52,000
Speaker 3: love interest in a movie or something like the thing

916
00:42:52,080 --> 00:42:54,560
Speaker 3: is over in three months or whatever. But for you

917
00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:58,280
Speaker 3: to have a love interest that's seven years long, Yeah,

918
00:42:58,600 --> 00:42:59,360
Speaker 3: that's insane.

919
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:00,560
Speaker 4: I guess like that.

920
00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:03,480
Speaker 5: In sat my husband Tony Goldwan is the person in

921
00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:07,640
Speaker 5: my life who I've made out the longest because.

922
00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:11,919
Speaker 7: The boyfriend I was with seven years, four or five years. Yeah,

923
00:43:12,600 --> 00:43:16,120
Speaker 7: Tony after gold is the guy that I, you know, kissed.

924
00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:21,400
Speaker 5: It's so weird, so weird, whyl weird, so weird.

925
00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:23,960
Speaker 3: This is the last episode in this season and the

926
00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:27,520
Speaker 3: last episode I guess of season one of Unpacking the toolbox.

927
00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:33,000
Speaker 5: This podcast Untagging the tool Box so cute because of

928
00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:34,880
Speaker 5: you guys in your tool.

929
00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:41,080
Speaker 3: So there's this, like I think the winning scene of

930
00:43:41,120 --> 00:43:45,080
Speaker 3: this episode is so we had mentioned you and fits

931
00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:47,200
Speaker 3: sort of kiss and you're like you look up and

932
00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:49,040
Speaker 3: you're like cameras and he's like, I don't give a

933
00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:52,080
Speaker 3: ship and you guys kiss anyway romantic because guess what

934
00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:55,799
Speaker 3: if I go to jail or I resign, I can

935
00:43:55,840 --> 00:43:57,560
Speaker 3: be whoever I want to be and I can marry you.

936
00:43:57,680 --> 00:43:59,960
Speaker 3: And then you see Olivia sort of make the decision like,

937
00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:02,399
Speaker 3: oh hell no, this isn't gonna happen. So you go

938
00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:05,879
Speaker 3: to Melly and you two have Bellamy's like first big scene.

939
00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:06,960
Speaker 3: At this time, Bellamy is not.

940
00:44:07,080 --> 00:44:08,000
Speaker 1: A serious.

941
00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:12,439
Speaker 4: And the scene is like, you didn't do your job,

942
00:44:13,719 --> 00:44:14,960
Speaker 4: girl get in you.

943
00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:18,000
Speaker 3: Let that girl, Amanda Tanner get in his pants. I'm

944
00:44:18,080 --> 00:44:20,680
Speaker 3: doing I'm working my fucking ass. Off is the face

945
00:44:20,719 --> 00:44:22,239
Speaker 3: and the wife and this that and the other thing,

946
00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:26,160
Speaker 3: and you fucked up. You stopped being his mistress and

947
00:44:26,239 --> 00:44:28,279
Speaker 3: you let him get away and this is all your

948
00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:31,520
Speaker 3: fault that he wants to resign. And this is really

949
00:44:31,600 --> 00:44:35,360
Speaker 3: where we see Bellamy step into Melly and from that scene,

950
00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:40,960
Speaker 3: you go and arrange a with with the Fits, not

951
00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:44,759
Speaker 3: even having a say in it. You arrange a interview

952
00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:48,400
Speaker 3: on national television where she says that was me on

953
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:53,960
Speaker 3: the sex stright and so I'm so embarrassed. This is

954
00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:57,880
Speaker 3: how Olivia and her planned together, working together to spin it,

955
00:44:57,960 --> 00:45:00,400
Speaker 3: which we're seeing the beginning of how we ended the

956
00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:02,960
Speaker 3: series with you and Melo together here.

957
00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:05,759
Speaker 5: Anything that you're doing this it's so crazy.

958
00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:08,400
Speaker 3: So you two start working together and be this political animal,

959
00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:11,640
Speaker 3: or you decide that Fitz is not resigning. It was

960
00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:13,279
Speaker 3: you on the sex tape, but we're going to lie

961
00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:15,000
Speaker 3: and say it was Mellie in the fifth and then

962
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:17,520
Speaker 3: she's going to fake being pregnant. So by the end

963
00:45:17,560 --> 00:45:18,880
Speaker 3: of this series, the two of them have to go

964
00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:20,319
Speaker 3: off quickly and like have sex and.

965
00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:25,080
Speaker 4: Make a baby. But it's the beginning of the Melli

966
00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:29,600
Speaker 4: Olivia like when they work together, it's like, holy shit.

967
00:45:29,719 --> 00:45:32,000
Speaker 1: And we learned that Olivia is like, oh hell no,

968
00:45:32,040 --> 00:45:34,560
Speaker 1: I don't want to settle down and be normal. I mean,

969
00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:37,759
Speaker 1: one of your memorable lines is being normal is overrated.

970
00:45:38,640 --> 00:45:40,880
Speaker 1: In this episode, it's the first time you see Olivia

971
00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:44,040
Speaker 1: and you're like, oh wow, she and Another memorable line

972
00:45:44,040 --> 00:45:46,520
Speaker 1: in this episode is when Cyrus says, some men aren't

973
00:45:46,520 --> 00:45:49,200
Speaker 1: meant to be happy, They're meant to be great. And

974
00:45:49,239 --> 00:45:52,080
Speaker 1: I think that sort of connected to Olivia as well,

975
00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:53,960
Speaker 1: because I think she felt that way too, you know

976
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:54,359
Speaker 1: what I mean?

977
00:45:54,440 --> 00:45:56,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, she says, don't go be the man I

978
00:45:56,600 --> 00:45:59,040
Speaker 3: voted for, Yes, but all of us are like, you

979
00:45:59,080 --> 00:46:02,760
Speaker 3: mean the man that you the election for it, Okay,

980
00:46:03,080 --> 00:46:07,520
Speaker 3: I voted for him, But the.

981
00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:10,040
Speaker 1: Fact that you that you chose not to settle down

982
00:46:10,120 --> 00:46:13,319
Speaker 1: with fits that Olivia chose not to go that route. So,

983
00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:16,000
Speaker 1: I mean speaks volumes to who Olivia was right, she

984
00:46:16,080 --> 00:46:19,160
Speaker 1: knew her life was beyond that, Like she didn't want that.

985
00:46:19,239 --> 00:46:21,160
Speaker 1: She was like, oh wait a minute, wait wait, no, no, no, no,

986
00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:23,520
Speaker 1: I'm good. I'm good being the most powerful woman in

987
00:46:23,600 --> 00:46:26,240
Speaker 1: DC right now. Yeah, so good.

988
00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:27,240
Speaker 7: So wild.

989
00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:30,759
Speaker 3: The show figured out what it was while it was happening, Like,

990
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:36,080
Speaker 3: it wasn't predestined that Melly would be Melly, you know, so,

991
00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:39,040
Speaker 3: can you talk to us quickly about like when you

992
00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:43,000
Speaker 3: realize that so much of this show was going to

993
00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:46,600
Speaker 3: be relationships between you and Jake and fits, and that

994
00:46:46,680 --> 00:46:48,479
Speaker 3: Melly was going to be like a very big part

995
00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:48,719
Speaker 3: of that.

996
00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:52,080
Speaker 7: Yeah, I don't. It's so hard. I don't remember having

997
00:46:52,080 --> 00:46:54,600
Speaker 7: a lot of perspective about what the show is about

998
00:46:54,719 --> 00:46:56,120
Speaker 7: while we were doing it.

999
00:46:56,120 --> 00:47:01,000
Speaker 5: It was so lame a moment, like we were just

1000
00:47:01,080 --> 00:47:03,320
Speaker 5: on this I mean, we were on this rocket ship.

1001
00:47:03,719 --> 00:47:08,600
Speaker 5: I remember Josh Molina seeing the second episode during lunch,

1002
00:47:08,640 --> 00:47:10,920
Speaker 5: the second or third episode during lunch while we were

1003
00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:13,200
Speaker 5: filming in that room. We would sometimes get upstairs where

1004
00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:15,080
Speaker 5: we had table reads, and he turned to me and

1005
00:47:15,120 --> 00:47:18,160
Speaker 5: he was like, you can carry a show. And like

1006
00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:20,920
Speaker 5: coming from Josh Molena who was like I watched all

1007
00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:23,279
Speaker 5: through college on West Wing and was like obsessed with.

1008
00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:27,280
Speaker 4: You were so political that the show.

1009
00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:29,640
Speaker 7: Yes, it was the show I had both Colleen and

1010
00:47:29,640 --> 00:47:30,279
Speaker 7: our friend Jody.

1011
00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:32,680
Speaker 5: We used to get together and cook recipes from the Moose,

1012
00:47:32,680 --> 00:47:35,319
Speaker 5: would cook book and watch West Wing every week. But

1013
00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:37,160
Speaker 5: we like so when he said that, I was like,

1014
00:47:37,200 --> 00:47:38,839
Speaker 5: I just remember being like, oh my god, oh my god,

1015
00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:39,319
Speaker 5: oh my god.

1016
00:47:39,719 --> 00:47:40,480
Speaker 7: I hope he's right.

1017
00:47:40,560 --> 00:47:43,440
Speaker 5: And then I remember you also because I didn't know

1018
00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:45,480
Speaker 5: I had mostly done movies, but I remember sitting in

1019
00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:48,400
Speaker 5: the hair makeup tail and Katie you were like episode

1020
00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:51,000
Speaker 5: three and I was like, what about it? And you

1021
00:47:51,040 --> 00:47:54,160
Speaker 5: were like the script is really good, and I was like, okay.

1022
00:47:54,239 --> 00:47:55,799
Speaker 5: You're like, well, that's when you know if you have

1023
00:47:55,840 --> 00:47:56,480
Speaker 5: a show or not.

1024
00:47:56,640 --> 00:47:58,520
Speaker 7: And I was like, oh really, oh.

1025
00:47:58,520 --> 00:48:01,240
Speaker 1: Goshi Katie out take you out kidding?

1026
00:48:01,360 --> 00:48:03,239
Speaker 4: Well, it's easy to make too.

1027
00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:05,920
Speaker 7: You were like things fall apart at episode three.

1028
00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:09,319
Speaker 5: Yeah, You're like episode three is when you really have

1029
00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:11,759
Speaker 5: to know whether you can make a show. And I

1030
00:48:11,840 --> 00:48:13,800
Speaker 5: was like, oh, that's exciting because I think this episode's

1031
00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:15,680
Speaker 5: pretty good. I just was so green, you guys, I

1032
00:48:15,719 --> 00:48:16,520
Speaker 5: didn't know anything.

1033
00:48:16,600 --> 00:48:17,280
Speaker 7: I didn't know anything.

1034
00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:20,759
Speaker 3: You're calling us to do backstories like I don't think

1035
00:48:20,960 --> 00:48:23,520
Speaker 3: anyone does that, but what.

1036
00:48:23,560 --> 00:48:25,879
Speaker 5: I mean they do in movies, the business of it,

1037
00:48:26,040 --> 00:48:28,799
Speaker 5: the business of it, I was so green about, and

1038
00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:31,600
Speaker 5: like the TV of it I was so green about.

1039
00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:33,880
Speaker 7: So I wasn't green as a as an actor. Like

1040
00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:34,200
Speaker 7: as an.

1041
00:48:34,160 --> 00:48:37,520
Speaker 5: Actor, I was so invested and felt like I was

1042
00:48:37,600 --> 00:48:41,480
Speaker 5: just like you know, hog and mud like so doing

1043
00:48:41,520 --> 00:48:43,520
Speaker 5: everything I wanted to be doing. But I didn't know

1044
00:48:43,560 --> 00:48:45,759
Speaker 5: what it meant. I didn't know what the marketing meant.

1045
00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:49,799
Speaker 5: I didn't I just you know, I just g was

1046
00:48:49,840 --> 00:48:50,680
Speaker 5: the moment to moment.

1047
00:48:50,719 --> 00:48:51,640
Speaker 7: I just wanted to be a.

1048
00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:55,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it speaks it's it's like, it's about the work, right.

1049
00:48:55,360 --> 00:48:58,239
Speaker 1: It sounds like sort of corny and cliche, but it's

1050
00:48:58,280 --> 00:49:00,800
Speaker 1: it's about the work. If the work is good, everything

1051
00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:03,160
Speaker 1: else that we have no control over, right, that that'll

1052
00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:04,600
Speaker 1: either fall into Blazer or it won't.

1053
00:49:05,120 --> 00:49:10,560
Speaker 5: And it did, scandal, and yes, yes, yes, And what

1054
00:49:10,640 --> 00:49:13,399
Speaker 5: I what I'm really proud of sitting here right now

1055
00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:17,319
Speaker 5: in this moment is also that it was about the

1056
00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:22,680
Speaker 5: process and the people. Because I remember so much more

1057
00:49:23,239 --> 00:49:27,200
Speaker 5: about your first house that you bought, Katie. I remember

1058
00:49:27,239 --> 00:49:30,560
Speaker 5: so much more about your conversations about going back home

1059
00:49:30,640 --> 00:49:32,600
Speaker 5: in New York and what that was like, and like

1060
00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:35,600
Speaker 5: are the reveal of the clothing and the sax windows

1061
00:49:35,640 --> 00:49:37,640
Speaker 5: and your parents waving at us through the window.

1062
00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:39,520
Speaker 4: I'll never forget it.

1063
00:49:39,719 --> 00:49:40,839
Speaker 7: I'll never forget.

1064
00:49:40,560 --> 00:49:45,000
Speaker 5: That these little details I remember more than any episode

1065
00:49:45,160 --> 00:49:47,360
Speaker 5: of the show we ever shot, because I am.

1066
00:49:47,480 --> 00:49:50,760
Speaker 7: So invested in you as people.

1067
00:49:50,880 --> 00:49:53,440
Speaker 5: I was invested in our like we were on this

1068
00:49:53,560 --> 00:49:56,960
Speaker 5: rocket ship and we couldn't control like Mars and the

1069
00:49:57,000 --> 00:50:00,520
Speaker 5: comets and the stars, and like we didn't, but on ship,

1070
00:50:00,640 --> 00:50:01,439
Speaker 5: we had each other.

1071
00:50:01,960 --> 00:50:04,000
Speaker 7: And I'm really proud of how we did that.

1072
00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:08,040
Speaker 3: It really all stems from you, Carrie, I'm serious. And

1073
00:50:08,080 --> 00:50:10,320
Speaker 3: the other thing about all of this pressure and everything

1074
00:50:10,360 --> 00:50:13,440
Speaker 3: about being the first black woman in forty years to

1075
00:50:13,440 --> 00:50:16,040
Speaker 3: be on a show, I remember for one second, like

1076
00:50:16,200 --> 00:50:17,680
Speaker 3: I don't know if you ever felt this, or maybe

1077
00:50:17,719 --> 00:50:19,000
Speaker 3: I put this in my head that you said this,

1078
00:50:19,040 --> 00:50:21,040
Speaker 3: and I remember you being like, this has to succeed,

1079
00:50:21,200 --> 00:50:22,840
Speaker 3: Like what would have happened had it not?

1080
00:50:23,239 --> 00:50:25,880
Speaker 7: Yeah, I knew, I knew we failed. It would be

1081
00:50:25,960 --> 00:50:27,160
Speaker 7: another forty years.

1082
00:50:27,560 --> 00:50:30,560
Speaker 5: But instead, because we didn't fail, we got to have

1083
00:50:30,680 --> 00:50:32,279
Speaker 5: How to get Away, and we got to.

1084
00:50:32,200 --> 00:50:34,040
Speaker 7: Have Brianka Chopra and her show.

1085
00:50:34,160 --> 00:50:36,640
Speaker 5: We got to have all these women of color leading

1086
00:50:36,680 --> 00:50:41,000
Speaker 5: network shows Station nineteen, Like, we got to have this

1087
00:50:41,120 --> 00:50:43,200
Speaker 5: world where women of color were number ones on the

1088
00:50:43,239 --> 00:50:44,640
Speaker 5: clus sheet and it was no longer.

1089
00:50:44,360 --> 00:50:46,399
Speaker 7: A big quote unquote risk risk.

1090
00:50:47,560 --> 00:50:51,600
Speaker 5: Anyway, I love you guys so much.

1091
00:50:54,440 --> 00:50:58,759
Speaker 3: I can't tell you how fun this first season of

1092
00:50:58,840 --> 00:50:59,880
Speaker 3: Unpacking the Toolboxes.

1093
00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:03,600
Speaker 1: Uh, such a freaking blast.

1094
00:51:03,920 --> 00:51:05,320
Speaker 4: It's been such a blast.

1095
00:51:05,920 --> 00:51:08,480
Speaker 1: I hope I hope we get to do like listen,

1096
00:51:08,560 --> 00:51:11,840
Speaker 1: like every single season. I hope we do all seven seasons.

1097
00:51:11,760 --> 00:51:15,439
Speaker 3: And that's up to you alls, Like, yeah, you guys

1098
00:51:15,560 --> 00:51:18,879
Speaker 3: like it tell your friends, and we'll give you more life.

1099
00:51:19,520 --> 00:51:22,200
Speaker 3: We'll bring you more behind the scenes hot goss from

1100
00:51:22,560 --> 00:51:25,080
Speaker 3: We're going to bring all the guests more superstars.

1101
00:51:25,360 --> 00:51:25,759
Speaker 7: That's right.

1102
00:51:26,000 --> 00:51:26,320
Speaker 1: Peace.

1103
00:51:26,560 --> 00:51:29,000
Speaker 3: Hopefully the next episode up is two to oh one,

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Speaker 3: White Hats Off, the premiere of the second season. But

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Speaker 3: come on, you guys, give me a fucking break. The

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Speaker 3: first season, we brought to you Shonda Rhymes. We brought

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Speaker 3: to you Tony Golden, We brought to you Lives of Wheel.

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Speaker 3: We brought you carry Wash, carry.

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Speaker 4: Washing, So stick with us.

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Speaker 3: Please tell your friends this is and also because as

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Speaker 3: per usual, I just want to hang out.

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Speaker 4: We Willy Willy Diaz.

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Speaker 1: All, Oh my god, I love you so much. Hi everyone,

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Speaker 1: this is Willy Dia sign off.

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Speaker 4: Goodbye Gladiator, Bye Gladiators. We's on the albies.

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Speaker 1: Thank you guys for joining us on Unpacking the Toolbox.

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Speaker 1: or leave us a review.

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Speaker 3: Scandal is executive produced by Sandy Bailey, alex Alcea, Lauren Homan,

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Speaker 3: Tyler Klang, and Gabrielle Collins. Our producer and editor is

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Speaker 3: Vince de Johnny, with music by Chad Fisher.

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Speaker 1: Scandal is a production of ABC Signature, and you can

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Speaker 1: follow along by rewatching Scandal on Hulu.

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