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Speaker 1: And now Move the Sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. Everybody,

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Speaker 1: what is up? Welcome to Move the Sticks, DJ and

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Speaker 1: Blucky with Week one in our rear view Mirror of

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Speaker 1: the NFL season. Uh, Buck, We've got We've got a

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Speaker 1: couple of Monday night games we can talk about today,

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Speaker 1: and we've also got a great guest as well as

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Speaker 1: some other fun topics to get to. Yeah, a lot

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Speaker 1: of fun topics. You talked about those two Monday night games.

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Speaker 1: I had a little conversation with Michael Vick uh that

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Speaker 1: to me. And then, man, we're gonna talk about USC's

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Speaker 1: red hot offense and we always talk about fit in

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Speaker 1: scheme and how it's important that what you're doing fits

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Speaker 1: your personnel. I think USC may have stumbled onto something.

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Speaker 1: And then college players to watch, uh, a couple of

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Speaker 1: good games to watch, a couple of big players that

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Speaker 1: we're certainly interested in, interested in when it comes to

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Speaker 1: the twenty draft class. Also, I'm gonna have my conversation.

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Speaker 1: Had a chance to catch up with an old friend,

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Speaker 1: Scott Sadderfield, who was a head coach at Louisville and

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Speaker 1: uh A, really, I think you're gonna enjoy this conversation

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Speaker 1: if you if you're an NFL fan, you're not a

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Speaker 1: big college football fan, trust me, stick around for this

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Speaker 1: because uh just talking about building culture and changing culture

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Speaker 1: and um talking about the evaluation process that college coaches

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Speaker 1: have and finding high school kids very similar to what

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Speaker 1: we deal with when we're trying to scout college kids.

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Speaker 1: It's obviously a big time impact on what they see

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Speaker 1: around for that conversation. Buck. We want to get to

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Speaker 1: these uh these two games here, these Monday night games.

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Speaker 1: But I do want to start out because um on

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Speaker 1: social media, if you don't already do yourself a favor,

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Speaker 1: follow at Bucky Brooks because on your social media, I

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Speaker 1: saw picture with you and a very very fit and

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Speaker 1: and I need to know. I need to know what

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Speaker 1: you guys were talking about. Oh man, No, so I

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Speaker 1: had you had a chance to um do some stuff

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Speaker 1: and obviously my first introduction him was when he came

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Speaker 1: on our Moved the Sticks podcast and was talking about

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Speaker 1: I attack where they want to attack us? And I

431
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Speaker 1: think what it has done and it is allowed DeShawn

432
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Speaker 1: to be aggressive but careful if that makes sense, Like

433
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Speaker 1: it is is being assertive, it's being aggressive, but it's

434
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Speaker 1: not being reckless. And because he's not reckless, he's not

435
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Speaker 1: turning the ball over even though he did have an interception,

436
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Speaker 1: but he still finds a way to make those plays.

437
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Speaker 1: Because the throw that he made down the stretch at

438
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Speaker 1: the end of the game, Kenn, he steals down the play,

439
00:19:57,480 --> 00:19:59,920
Speaker 1: the throws that he made, the DeAndre Hopkins or whatever.

440
00:20:00,440 --> 00:20:03,320
Speaker 1: There has to be a level of fearlessness to let

441
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Speaker 1: the ball go in those moments, and you never want

442
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Speaker 1: to temper that. But he has the right temperament when

443
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Speaker 1: he can kind of balance it like, hey, I'm gonna

444
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Speaker 1: go for it and I'm a dalla back. Those things

445
00:20:13,320 --> 00:20:14,880
Speaker 1: really really mad at when it comes to winning games.

446
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Speaker 1: All right, Let's get to this other game here, Raiders

447
00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:21,679
Speaker 1: and the Broncos, a game that look, the Raiders. They

448
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Speaker 1: had to win this game for so many reasons. And

449
00:20:23,920 --> 00:20:27,080
Speaker 1: everybody knows about the Antonio Brown uh drama and coming

450
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Speaker 1: out the other side of that. So it was it

451
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Speaker 1: was gonna be a very passionate, emotional stadium, which if

452
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Speaker 1: you had the volume up hopefully didn't have any kids

453
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Speaker 1: in the room. Uh with with Raider nation, letting letting

454
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Speaker 1: everybody know what they thought about the new England Patriots

455
00:20:39,960 --> 00:20:41,760
Speaker 1: new wide receiver. But this was a game they had

456
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Speaker 1: to win. And uh, not only that, I pull up

457
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Speaker 1: the schedule, Buck, this is this is a team. Let

458
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Speaker 1: me give you the Raiders next games here Chiefs at Vikings,

459
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Speaker 1: at Colts, at Packers at Texans. They had to win

460
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Speaker 1: that one, that was the one had to win. That

461
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Speaker 1: one was a must win and and and they did.

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Speaker 1: They did. And uh, I love to get your thoughts

463
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Speaker 1: just what you saw from the young guys in that

464
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Speaker 1: one for the Raiders, a lot of young draft picks. Man,

465
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Speaker 1: I like it. Look so here's the thing and we've

466
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Speaker 1: we've kind of talked about this away from the podcast.

467
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Speaker 1: You wonder what the philosophy was because they drafted high

468
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Speaker 1: character guys and the draft guys who are production guys

469
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Speaker 1: that played a big school programs, guys who were leaders

470
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Speaker 1: and had all the things that you really look for

471
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Speaker 1: um when you evaluate. But then they surrounded him with

472
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Speaker 1: some veterans that you're like, I don't know how this

473
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Speaker 1: locker room is going to match up. But the one

474
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Speaker 1: thing that stood out to me is they're young guys

475
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Speaker 1: were exactly what they thought they were. Josh Jacobs terrific

476
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Speaker 1: eighty five rushing yards, two touchdowns, twenty receiving yards. We

477
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Speaker 1: talked about him, You talked about him in particular about

478
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Speaker 1: him being an explosive back, and how he was going

479
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Speaker 1: to exceed whatever he did in college because he's never

480
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Speaker 1: gonna finally have the opportunity. Guys around the Raiders tell

481
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Speaker 1: me he kind of reminds me of an old Raider

482
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Speaker 1: Charlie Gardner, a guy that can be like a little smaller,

483
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Speaker 1: but he's tough and physical as a runner, but really

484
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Speaker 1: catch the ball the backfield. John Gruden's gonna find a

485
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Speaker 1: way to make plays with him. I I just like

486
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Speaker 1: the fact that John Abram showed up. Madson plays physicality,

487
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Speaker 1: toughness or whatever. Probably talks, probably toss a little more

488
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Speaker 1: than I would prefer, but I like the way that

489
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Speaker 1: he said that he says, the tone and the way

490
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Speaker 1: that he kind of gets it done. And then you

491
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Speaker 1: would notice better than some of some of us. Tarrya

492
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Speaker 1: Williams man Tyroll, weasms kind of slide into the number

493
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Speaker 1: one spot, and I don't know if people are ready

494
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Speaker 1: for him to be the number one. Six sketches over

495
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Speaker 1: a hundred yards, one touchdown. I don't know much, but

496
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Speaker 1: I do know that John Gruden does a great job

497
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Speaker 1: of setting guys up for opportunities to Royal Williams stepped

498
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Speaker 1: right into the number one role and had a fantastic

499
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Speaker 1: game Week one. Yeah, he's a really good player. You know,

500
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Speaker 1: when he had opportunity back in with the Chargers due

501
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Speaker 1: to some injuries, I think what Keenan Allen was hurt

502
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Speaker 1: that year. Yeah, he's stepped there for a thousand yards

503
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Speaker 1: seven touchdowns, so he can he can be higher on

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Speaker 1: the depth chart, you know, higher in the batting order.

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Speaker 1: I guess I should say, Um, for a team that

506
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Speaker 1: doesn't have a big time due its just with the Chargers,

507
00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:04,040
Speaker 1: you had Keenan Allen, you had Mike Williams. So uh,

508
00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:06,240
Speaker 1: the numbers didn't blow you away, but plenty of big

509
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Speaker 1: plays down the field. He's gonna get an opportunity now

510
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Speaker 1: in Oakland, especially without Antonio Brown, to run the whole treat. Uh,

511
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Speaker 1: not just gonna be that vertical guy. And uh man,

512
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Speaker 1: he's off to a great start still only twenty seven

513
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Speaker 1: years old. UM. I like it when you can get

514
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Speaker 1: free agents in that sweet spot range. You know, don't

515
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Speaker 1: overpay for the old guys, but get guys that still

516
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Speaker 1: are in the middle of their prime. And I thought

517
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Speaker 1: they did that, not just with Tyrone Williams. I thought

518
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Speaker 1: even though they paid him so much money because there

519
00:23:31,560 --> 00:23:33,639
Speaker 1: was so much other drama around the Raiders that the

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Speaker 1: Trent Brown signing kind of got lost in the shuffle.

521
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Speaker 1: And you know, we talked about being able to add

522
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Speaker 1: quality players. How it it reorders the batting lineup and

523
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Speaker 1: it makes people, you know, where they properly should be.

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Speaker 1: And Colton Miller to me, as bad as he was

525
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Speaker 1: um trying to be that one tackle there their stud

526
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Speaker 1: tackle last year. Now a sudden look what happens. You

527
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Speaker 1: bring in Trent Brown, who takes some of that pressure

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Speaker 1: off even though he's playing on the right side. You

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Speaker 1: could help Colton Miller a little bit if you if

530
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Speaker 1: you need to, and Colt Miller played better. So it's uh,

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Speaker 1: that was a key signing for this team. A young

532
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Speaker 1: guy is still in his prime as well. Yeah, I

533
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Speaker 1: think what's interesting you bring up Trent Brown because everyone

534
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Speaker 1: went crazy when he not only got paid when he

535
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Speaker 1: got paid, but he was positioned at right tackle. And

536
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Speaker 1: I think, what we're gonna have to do in the

537
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Speaker 1: scouting world, we have to change the way that we

538
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Speaker 1: view tackles. So for so long we viewed the right

539
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Speaker 1: tackle as kind of the master the mahler because typically

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Speaker 1: teams are right handed, meaning they run to the right

541
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Speaker 1: because that's also the way that the tight end is,

542
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Speaker 1: and so you could have a lesser athlete, but he's

543
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Speaker 1: probably more. He was a little bigger, more physical, a

544
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Speaker 1: drive blocker. Well now, because so many defenses have taken

545
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Speaker 1: their best pass rusher and instead of making him the

546
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Speaker 1: right defensive end, they made him the left defensive end.

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Speaker 1: Last night the Denver Broncos, Von Miller plays left defensive

548
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Speaker 1: end versus the right tackle, and so that right tackle

549
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Speaker 1: has to be a dude who can survive on the

550
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Speaker 1: island by himself. If he's just a maller in the matter,

551
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Speaker 1: you can get a ton of pressure from that side,

552
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Speaker 1: and your quarterback is going to go out the game.

553
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Speaker 1: The Raiders may have overpaid for Trent Brown, but putting

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Speaker 1: him in a right tackle is exactly part of the

555
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Speaker 1: trend that will continue to see in the National Football League.

556
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Speaker 1: No doubt, you need two good tackles right now the

557
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Speaker 1: way uh the game is played. Gonna get to some

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Speaker 1: college football here in just a second. One last thing

559
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Speaker 1: on the NFL. I've watched a ton of tape from

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Speaker 1: this this week, one but one thing. Looking at the

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Speaker 1: box scores, and somebody actually alerted me this on social media,

562
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Speaker 1: think on Twitter that hit me up on this and said,

563
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Speaker 1: can you please tell me you know what the Carolina

564
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Speaker 1: Panthers did to neutralize Aaron Donald? So I looked it up.

565
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Speaker 1: Aaron Donald had one tackle on that game against the Panthers,

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Speaker 1: So I need to watch that tape see what happened there.

567
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Speaker 1: And J. J. Watt got shut out for the first

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Speaker 1: time in his NFL career. I mean, Hugh, a week

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Speaker 1: where we had J. J. Watt and Aaron Donald, the

570
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Speaker 1: two best defensive live in the National Football League combined

571
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Speaker 1: for one tackle. How crazy? Is that? Really crazy? Really crazy?

572
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Speaker 1: And they must have done something because in looking at

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Speaker 1: Christian McCaffrey stat line, he went bananas. And there's a

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Speaker 1: conversation and I don't want to detract us from what

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Speaker 1: we were about to talk about, but I heard someone

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Speaker 1: today talk about Christie McCaffrey and why he's never just

577
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Speaker 1: gust is one of the best running backs, if not

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Speaker 1: the best running back in football, And so I would

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Speaker 1: just like to get your take, like, what what is

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Speaker 1: your view or what's your take or Christian McCaffrey and

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Speaker 1: what he brings to the table as a running back. Well,

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Speaker 1: we talked about it in our um in our prototype series,

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Speaker 1: so you know, the folks that listen to us over

584
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Speaker 1: the off season talk about what we look for and

585
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Speaker 1: scouting that that position, and having our guests on and

586
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Speaker 1: and uh talking to Hall of Fame running backs and

587
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Speaker 1: and and giving our own opinion there. I think I

588
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Speaker 1: had se Kwon Barkley as the as the prototype right now.

589
00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:31,440
Speaker 1: I think you had Zeke Elliott. But we both I

590
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Speaker 1: know for a fact we both talked about Christian McCaffrey

591
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Speaker 1: kind of be in that new school running back. Um,

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Speaker 1: you talk about him and Alvin Cameara, you kind of

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Speaker 1: lump them together. I just think when you compare him

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Speaker 1: with Kimara, he's built a little bit more to carry

595
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Speaker 1: more of a load. He can take more touches, uh

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Speaker 1: that Camara can. So uh look, I think he's absolutely

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Speaker 1: in the discussion. Is one of the best running backs

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Speaker 1: in the NFL with everything you can do. Ten catches

599
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Speaker 1: in that game, a hundred twenty eight yards rushing, two touchdowns,

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Speaker 1: Um no, he's he's right there. He doesn't get talked

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Speaker 1: about buck he plays in Carolina. You worked there. Yeah,

602
00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:04,960
Speaker 1: it's not it is not. They're not a glamour team,

603
00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:07,159
Speaker 1: not a glamour team. But he's another one that has

604
00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:09,680
Speaker 1: shed light on the running back position and what people

605
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Speaker 1: are looking for. Like, I kind of believe that Christian

606
00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:16,040
Speaker 1: McCaffrey and Alvin Kamar are almost one and the same. Uh.

607
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Speaker 1: They're not exactly alike, but they play the game in

608
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Speaker 1: a very very similar manner. They can run it, they

609
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Speaker 1: can catch it. They could be in the return game

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Speaker 1: if you need them to. Uh. Their dynamic players, and

611
00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:27,000
Speaker 1: they're not the biggest guys, but I think the thing

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Speaker 1: that you have to be if you're one of those

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Speaker 1: guys that's not like the big pound back, you have

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Speaker 1: to show that you can handle the physicality being a runner. Uh.

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00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:39,440
Speaker 1: Christian McCaffrey showed that last year. Alfacamar continues to show that. Um,

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Speaker 1: these two guys, Man, we talked about the running back

617
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Speaker 1: position being devalued. I think it may just kind of

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Speaker 1: be talked about in a different lay. But I think

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Speaker 1: they're terrific running backs in this league. And I think

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Speaker 1: we've seen these two guys kind of pay the way

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Speaker 1: McCaffrey and Alvin Kamar. Yeah, and Alvic Camara had twenty

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Speaker 1: touches in his game against Houston McCaffrey at twenty nine.

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Speaker 1: And I think that is a little bit of the difference.

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Speaker 1: I think you're probably talking about McCaffrey being able to

625
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Speaker 1: handle eight, nine, ten more touches, but Alvin Ca American

626
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Speaker 1: do a lot of damage. Twenty touches streussed me. Uh.

627
00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:12,840
Speaker 1: But anyways, big time, big time backs. All. Let's switch

628
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Speaker 1: gears here over the college game and and UH talking

629
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Speaker 1: with a coach who has been tasked with a big

630
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Speaker 1: job here uh to take over the Louisville football program.

631
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Speaker 1: Um that was at a pretty low point when he

632
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Speaker 1: took over the reins there as their new head coach.

633
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Speaker 1: It's a guy I know very well, I've known for

634
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Speaker 1: a long time. Was one of my coaches at Appalachian State.

635
00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:32,800
Speaker 1: Spent twenty years there at app State. Uh, part of

636
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Speaker 1: some of those those great teams they had at the

637
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Speaker 1: one Double A level and as well as their transition

638
00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:40,440
Speaker 1: successfully to Division one. H three straight bowl games there,

639
00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:43,520
Speaker 1: and now UH, Scott Sadderfield taking over a Louisville program.

640
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Speaker 1: Here's my chat with the new Cardinals coach. Coach. First

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Speaker 1: of all, thank you so much for joining me. It's

642
00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:53,040
Speaker 1: it's great to see you again, uh down there in Louisville.

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Speaker 1: Making that adjustment, making the move from app State to Louisville.

644
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Speaker 1: What was what was the biggest surprise to you once

645
00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:02,720
Speaker 1: you it on campus down there in Louisville. Well, I

646
00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:06,040
Speaker 1: think probably the biggest surprise was just the really the

647
00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:07,800
Speaker 1: state of the program. You know, when you take over

648
00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:10,560
Speaker 1: a program and a team, you really don't have time

649
00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:12,440
Speaker 1: to do a lot of research. You know, we're we're

650
00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:14,760
Speaker 1: busy trying to win a championship there at app State,

651
00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:16,960
Speaker 1: and then you know, you get here and you find out,

652
00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:18,560
Speaker 1: you know, there's a lot of things that need to

653
00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:20,640
Speaker 1: be fixed here, and I think probably that's a reason why,

654
00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:23,200
Speaker 1: you know, schools make a change. Uh So, but we

655
00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:25,400
Speaker 1: got here and you know, started building the staff out

656
00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:28,160
Speaker 1: and really just started trying to, you know, create the

657
00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:30,200
Speaker 1: kind of culture that that we won't here. And you

658
00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:32,760
Speaker 1: know obviously that that starts with consistency on a daily basis,

659
00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:34,040
Speaker 1: But it was a lot of things we had to do.

660
00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:35,880
Speaker 1: I think right off the bat when we got here,

661
00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:38,520
Speaker 1: you look at the culture that we both know so

662
00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:40,400
Speaker 1: well coming out out of app State and you've spent

663
00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:43,160
Speaker 1: what twenty years there at that program. When I think

664
00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:44,720
Speaker 1: if you talk to anybody, as I know you have

665
00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:47,480
Speaker 1: around the country, they're jealous of the culture that exists

666
00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:50,800
Speaker 1: at app State. It's a family culture. What are the first,

667
00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:52,600
Speaker 1: you know, two or three steps when you get to

668
00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:55,479
Speaker 1: a new place to try and get that started at

669
00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:58,800
Speaker 1: a new program. Yeah, for us, the first thing that

670
00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:01,080
Speaker 1: we did was trying to build trust within the program

671
00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:04,440
Speaker 1: and within our players. Um. You know, I've said this before.

672
00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:07,560
Speaker 1: The players really didn't know where the head coach's office

673
00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:09,200
Speaker 1: was here. They really didn't spend a lot of time

674
00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:12,000
Speaker 1: around the coaches, and so for us, that's always been

675
00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:14,200
Speaker 1: a norm, and and we wanted them to be able

676
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:15,840
Speaker 1: to come up here and spend time with us in

677
00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:18,880
Speaker 1: our offices. Um So. But the building trust, and I

678
00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:22,360
Speaker 1: think that just throughout being consistent on a daily basis, um,

679
00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:24,600
Speaker 1: you know, caring about the players, caring about you know,

680
00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:27,080
Speaker 1: not only football, but what's going on their lives, um,

681
00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:29,960
Speaker 1: you know, back home or school or you know whatever else.

682
00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:31,840
Speaker 1: I think just doing that on a on a daily

683
00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:34,320
Speaker 1: basis is how we started that. And we've been that

684
00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:36,960
Speaker 1: that way for the last eight months. Um And I

685
00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:39,280
Speaker 1: think the players have come to accustomed to it now

686
00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:41,360
Speaker 1: and they really appreciate it and they're they're loving what

687
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:43,840
Speaker 1: we're doing here. Um, you know, but I think that's

688
00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:46,480
Speaker 1: the key word, is being consistent, you know, not being high,

689
00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:48,560
Speaker 1: you know, too high or too low, and but just

690
00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:51,840
Speaker 1: being consistent with our approach. One of the things, you know,

691
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:54,200
Speaker 1: the app State program has been known about forever is

692
00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:56,920
Speaker 1: the toughness of the program. And when you look at

693
00:30:57,560 --> 00:31:00,200
Speaker 1: taking over there at Louisville, I'm I'm just curi from

694
00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:04,840
Speaker 1: a team building standpoint, is toughness something you guys, uh,

695
00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:06,960
Speaker 1: you can have a major impact once they get the

696
00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:09,360
Speaker 1: campus or is it a bigger component of going out

697
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:11,760
Speaker 1: and finding tough kids and bringing in tough kids into

698
00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:14,120
Speaker 1: your program. I think it's probably a little bit of both,

699
00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:16,480
Speaker 1: you know. But the way we train on a daily

700
00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:20,440
Speaker 1: basis is is creates toughness, I think because it's hard.

701
00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:22,520
Speaker 1: I mean, and it's hard you know throughout the country

702
00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:24,360
Speaker 1: and all that. But you know, we try to create

703
00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:27,360
Speaker 1: an environment here where we're the competition every single day

704
00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:30,640
Speaker 1: everything that we're doing, and then also holding the guy's accountable,

705
00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:32,880
Speaker 1: you know, showing up on time for treatment or study

706
00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:35,240
Speaker 1: hall or class or whatever. That may be, and so

707
00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:37,640
Speaker 1: if you're not, then there's accountabilities that you're gonna have

708
00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:39,920
Speaker 1: to do for that. So, you know, I think, uh,

709
00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:42,920
Speaker 1: that's just you know, puts it into the program throughout,

710
00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:46,160
Speaker 1: through in and throughout, been tough and tough minded and

711
00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:48,800
Speaker 1: earning everything that you get. You know, we we want

712
00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:50,720
Speaker 1: to be an earned based program and I think that's

713
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:53,400
Speaker 1: one thing at app State were huge with that. Um,

714
00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:55,280
Speaker 1: no matter if I'm a walk on or if I'm

715
00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:57,960
Speaker 1: the highly most highly recruited player, you gotta earn everything

716
00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:00,440
Speaker 1: you know, earn your plan time, earn your respect, all

717
00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:02,960
Speaker 1: those things. I think when you do that, you create

718
00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:05,720
Speaker 1: that mentality have been tough and tough minded. I think

719
00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:07,880
Speaker 1: so much of it is the mental aspect, you know,

720
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:09,880
Speaker 1: it's not really the physical part. I mean there's a

721
00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:12,240
Speaker 1: lot of strong players throughout the country and all that,

722
00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:15,160
Speaker 1: but mentally, are you tough? Can you handle the rigors

723
00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:18,920
Speaker 1: of of anything that's getting thrown your way? Is there

724
00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:22,200
Speaker 1: a program that you've studied that you're trying to, uh

725
00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:24,680
Speaker 1: to build something similar to what they've done. I mean

726
00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:26,840
Speaker 1: when I when I look around the team building side

727
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:29,120
Speaker 1: of college football, it seems like the teams that are

728
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:31,880
Speaker 1: there every year. They have two things they have They

729
00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:34,760
Speaker 1: have a defensive line and they have a quarterback, and

730
00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:37,840
Speaker 1: it seems like everything kind of builds off from there.

731
00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:40,000
Speaker 1: But have you spent any time studying I mean the Clemsons,

732
00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:44,320
Speaker 1: the Alabama is the teams that have had that prolonged success. Well,

733
00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:45,720
Speaker 1: you know, it has spent a lot of time at

734
00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:48,360
Speaker 1: Clemson over the last you know, probably five years. When

735
00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:50,200
Speaker 1: I was at APP, we'd go every spring down there

736
00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:52,160
Speaker 1: and know a lot of their coaches. But I think, well,

737
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:55,080
Speaker 1: we've always been accustomed to I think, and this just

738
00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:57,880
Speaker 1: goes back a long time. But but offensive defensive line,

739
00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:01,200
Speaker 1: I don't want to compromise and recruiting those two spots.

740
00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:03,800
Speaker 1: You know, if there's really good players out there, and

741
00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:06,240
Speaker 1: let's say we reach our number that we want, but

742
00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:08,440
Speaker 1: there's another guy, We'll go get the other guy too,

743
00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:11,840
Speaker 1: you know, for those spots. I think offensive defensive lines,

744
00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:13,880
Speaker 1: I think you gotta win in the trenches. I think

745
00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:15,959
Speaker 1: there's a ton of skilled players that you can get

746
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:18,480
Speaker 1: and win with on the outside. Um, but if you

747
00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:20,240
Speaker 1: don't have the guys in the trenches, it's gonna be

748
00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:21,640
Speaker 1: hard to win. Because we want to be able to

749
00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:24,120
Speaker 1: establish the runs and stop the run. Those are two

750
00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:27,160
Speaker 1: things that are proven over over a hundred years plus

751
00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:30,120
Speaker 1: in college football. NFL football literally doesn't matter. If you

752
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:31,680
Speaker 1: can do those two things, you're gonna win a lot

753
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:34,240
Speaker 1: of games. You're gonna win championships. Um, you know, I

754
00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:36,000
Speaker 1: think there's other teams that throw it around all over

755
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:37,880
Speaker 1: the place, and they can win a game here or there.

756
00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:40,120
Speaker 1: They can put up some gaudy numbers, you know, but

757
00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:42,600
Speaker 1: how many true championships are they winning? I think so

758
00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:44,880
Speaker 1: For us, I think it starts up front on both

759
00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:47,240
Speaker 1: sides of the ball, and then we expand from there.

760
00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:49,520
Speaker 1: The hardest thing for us to find in the NFL

761
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:52,720
Speaker 1: draft the last probably decade has been offensive tackles. Have

762
00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:55,200
Speaker 1: you noticed just to change in the college game recruiting

763
00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:57,920
Speaker 1: high school kids of of their just being a lack

764
00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:00,680
Speaker 1: of guys at that position, and what would you attribute

765
00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:04,560
Speaker 1: that to? That is, without a doubt, the hardest position

766
00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:07,720
Speaker 1: to find his offensive tackles. You know, as we're looking

767
00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:10,239
Speaker 1: at value white offensive lineman. You know, we're always looking

768
00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:13,120
Speaker 1: for tackles, but you end up getting guards in centers,

769
00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:15,719
Speaker 1: you know, those guys that play inside. But it's the

770
00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:19,160
Speaker 1: hardest thing to find. I think because everybody wants a length.

771
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:21,520
Speaker 1: You want to have a length, and everybody wants athleticism,

772
00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:23,759
Speaker 1: you know, and and those two things are hard to find.

773
00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:25,400
Speaker 1: So a lot of times you end up, you know,

774
00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:27,640
Speaker 1: trying to get up a tight end that's a six

775
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:30,120
Speaker 1: five tight end or six six maybe that we think

776
00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:32,480
Speaker 1: can put on some size. UM that can end up

777
00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:34,800
Speaker 1: playing at the tackle position. Here's the other thing with

778
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:37,279
Speaker 1: that is that you have to have a mentality to

779
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:38,920
Speaker 1: be able to want to put your hand down in

780
00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:41,680
Speaker 1: the dirt and go block somebody for seventy five snaps

781
00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:43,839
Speaker 1: the game, you know, And a lot of times if

782
00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:46,720
Speaker 1: you have some length and maybe you're a little bit slender,

783
00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:48,880
Speaker 1: you're not used to doing that. You know, you've been

784
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:51,399
Speaker 1: maybe outside you played tight in or you know, maybe

785
00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:53,960
Speaker 1: a wide receiver in your early days. UM, And so

786
00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:55,719
Speaker 1: it's just that's I think that's why it's so hard

787
00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:57,480
Speaker 1: to find those guys. And so the guys I think

788
00:34:57,520 --> 00:35:00,359
Speaker 1: they're the best ones that have it lasted a test

789
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:02,520
Speaker 1: of time is really the guys that have the mental

790
00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:05,320
Speaker 1: toughness and fortitude but also have that length. And in

791
00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:07,640
Speaker 1: a very athletic coach, you've had a chance. I know

792
00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:09,480
Speaker 1: you've played with great players to go back to Dexter

793
00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:11,279
Speaker 1: Cokeley there at app State, you've had a chance to

794
00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:14,120
Speaker 1: coach great players at all your coaching stops, including guys

795
00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:16,600
Speaker 1: like t Y Hilton. Um. But we've asked a bunch

796
00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:19,840
Speaker 1: of guys this question. We've got some fascinating answers. Doesn't

797
00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:21,200
Speaker 1: have to be somebody that played for you, could be

798
00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:25,120
Speaker 1: anybody you've seen. Just the best high school football player

799
00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:27,759
Speaker 1: that you've ever laid eyes on. Couldn't be seeing him

800
00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:29,640
Speaker 1: off of a video, could be out there seeing him

801
00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:31,520
Speaker 1: in person. But just who was the best high school

802
00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:34,839
Speaker 1: football player you've ever seen? It was at South Fort

803
00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:37,800
Speaker 1: Myers High School. Guy by the name of Sammy Watkins.

804
00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:40,800
Speaker 1: He was unbelievable when I when I watched him practice

805
00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:43,040
Speaker 1: one day, two guys, because he was he had he

806
00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:45,040
Speaker 1: had a little bit of length on him, um, but

807
00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:48,279
Speaker 1: so fast, so fast, and had great hands. And I

808
00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:50,840
Speaker 1: was like, man, this guy is gonna be unbelievable. And

809
00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:53,000
Speaker 1: I think when I saw him, he hadn't committed to

810
00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:55,600
Speaker 1: Clemson at this point in time. Um, But then you

811
00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:58,400
Speaker 1: know it was ironic because he had a great day yesterday.

812
00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:01,520
Speaker 1: I think, Uh, you know one day, so he was

813
00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:03,319
Speaker 1: he's the best. He's the best high school player I've

814
00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:05,879
Speaker 1: ever been around or seeing. I love that. We've gotten

815
00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:08,080
Speaker 1: so many good stories from people. We've heard. Allen Iverson

816
00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:12,000
Speaker 1: was one. Uh, somebody had mentioned a bunch of like

817
00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:14,080
Speaker 1: I think Kristo Ball, you guy christ Ball was talking

818
00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:17,320
Speaker 1: about Frank Gore seeing him and school. It's been fascinating

819
00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:19,399
Speaker 1: to kind of see all these different stories. Lebron James

820
00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:22,399
Speaker 1: was one of them. I think said seeing Lebron James

821
00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:26,839
Speaker 1: when he was young, so I unbelievable. I do want

822
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:28,160
Speaker 1: to touch I know the white out there. I mentioned

823
00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:30,120
Speaker 1: there briefly about t Y Hilton, but did you know

824
00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:34,960
Speaker 1: at the time when you were coaching him what you had. Yeah,

825
00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:37,560
Speaker 1: we felt pretty confident he was gonna be a special player.

826
00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:39,520
Speaker 1: I we didn't know that he would be like he

827
00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:42,160
Speaker 1: is now. UM. I had a little bit of an

828
00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:44,240
Speaker 1: inkling to think that he would have a better NFL

829
00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:46,239
Speaker 1: career than in a college career. No reason not to

830
00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:49,440
Speaker 1: say that is because in college, as as I had

831
00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:51,839
Speaker 1: him his junior year, in his senior year, he um

832
00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:54,040
Speaker 1: and there was times where guys would grab him and

833
00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:56,600
Speaker 1: hold him in his routes and not get free and

834
00:36:56,840 --> 00:36:58,800
Speaker 1: didn't get the calls. And I felt they when he

835
00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:00,480
Speaker 1: gets in the league that they'll they're gonna be like

836
00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:02,440
Speaker 1: watching that a lot more. He's gonna be able to

837
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:05,160
Speaker 1: get free, you know free. Um. And he's so fast.

838
00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:07,680
Speaker 1: You know, he was one of the fastest guys that um,

839
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:10,480
Speaker 1: that I've been around in the first fifteen yards and

840
00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:13,040
Speaker 1: you know, and and a great competitor and a great

841
00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:16,160
Speaker 1: human being. I love coaching him, love being around him. UM.

842
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:19,160
Speaker 1: Not surprised that he's had a really really good NFL career,

843
00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:20,600
Speaker 1: but really, I mean, he's had an Hall of Fame

844
00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:23,640
Speaker 1: career so far at this point. So now he's been

845
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:25,560
Speaker 1: he's been fun to watch. I remember you telling me

846
00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:28,160
Speaker 1: about him way back then and uh and looking forward

847
00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:29,480
Speaker 1: to seeing what he was gonna do. Is he made

848
00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:32,279
Speaker 1: that transition, he's uh, he's done quite well. All Right,

849
00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:34,480
Speaker 1: I'm gonna let you go on this last thing because

850
00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:38,560
Speaker 1: I'm I'm the biggest Louisville Cardinal fan now west of

851
00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:40,880
Speaker 1: the Mississippi. You're you're talking to him right now, so

852
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:43,480
Speaker 1: I want to give you the opportunity. UM, and I

853
00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:46,280
Speaker 1: know you guys are are going nationwide now with your recruiting.

854
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:49,000
Speaker 1: So now what is the what is the sales pitch

855
00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:51,919
Speaker 1: right now from head coach Scott Saturfield to to those

856
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:54,319
Speaker 1: athletes out there looking for where they want to play

857
00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:56,600
Speaker 1: college football, Give me your your sales pitch on why

858
00:37:56,640 --> 00:37:59,960
Speaker 1: they should go to Louisville. Well, there's several reasons. I think.

859
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:04,160
Speaker 1: Number one, we're NFL city. Without NFL team, we're the team,

860
00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:05,960
Speaker 1: So you know we're gonna have a great fan support,

861
00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:08,520
Speaker 1: gonna come watch us play. You're gonna play in a

862
00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:10,440
Speaker 1: in a program that you're gonna have a lot of

863
00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:12,719
Speaker 1: fun because the way we run our program, it's a

864
00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:15,600
Speaker 1: player led program. So if that's you and you want

865
00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:17,040
Speaker 1: to be that kind of player to come to lead

866
00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:19,040
Speaker 1: a program and to win, to help win, to help

867
00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:21,239
Speaker 1: us win championships, and this is the program to come

868
00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:23,920
Speaker 1: to come play for um, you know it's gonna be

869
00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:26,359
Speaker 1: exciting also to see the guys we bring in here.

870
00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:28,520
Speaker 1: They're gonna have a opportunity to play early. And I

871
00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:30,279
Speaker 1: think that's another thing that's gonna entice a lot of

872
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:32,239
Speaker 1: these young players throughout the country to come play it

873
00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:34,239
Speaker 1: for us and you know, help help put us on

874
00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:35,719
Speaker 1: the map. I mean, we're a team that was there

875
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:38,080
Speaker 1: not too many years ago with Lamar Jackson, and we're

876
00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:40,480
Speaker 1: headed back there again. Well, I can't wait to watch

877
00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:42,800
Speaker 1: you continue to build this culture and to build this program.

878
00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:44,840
Speaker 1: I appreciate appreciate you joining us, and more than that,

879
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:46,919
Speaker 1: I appreciate your friendship over the years. Man, best luck.

880
00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:50,239
Speaker 1: Appreciate you DJ Man. You're awesome things. Man. Well, Buck,

881
00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:51,840
Speaker 1: you have a chance to uh to listen to that

882
00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:54,399
Speaker 1: conversation there. I mean, I think he's I think he's

883
00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:57,080
Speaker 1: the right guy. I I know people say how you're biased,

884
00:38:57,160 --> 00:38:58,840
Speaker 1: You've been around him, you're friends with him. No, No,

885
00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:01,360
Speaker 1: this guy is a good football coach. He's he's a

886
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:04,800
Speaker 1: great combination of innovative and physical. Uh. He believes in

887
00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:07,719
Speaker 1: the physical brand of football. But he doesn't have creative fashion. Yeah.

888
00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:10,400
Speaker 1: One of my formatory Hills ste Holders coach with him

889
00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:11,839
Speaker 1: for a long time and they did some very very

890
00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:13,960
Speaker 1: creative stuff when they were at State. I think you've

891
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:16,839
Speaker 1: can see to see that stuff at Louisville. UM. Say

892
00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:18,560
Speaker 1: what you want about the game versus Notre Dame. They

893
00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:20,359
Speaker 1: played really well the first half and the way they

894
00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:21,759
Speaker 1: were able to run the ball and get the ball

895
00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:24,239
Speaker 1: to the hands of the playmakers is really remarkable. And

896
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:26,160
Speaker 1: so when you talk about the culture piece and team

897
00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:28,560
Speaker 1: building and all that, UM, I have no doubts that

898
00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:31,200
Speaker 1: he's going to get up and going in Louisville. And

899
00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:34,879
Speaker 1: that defense. That defense is really really fascinating in terms

900
00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:37,000
Speaker 1: of the way they come after you, the pressure and

901
00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:39,520
Speaker 1: all that. Little Scott Satterfield is a big time coach.

902
00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:42,960
Speaker 1: I'm surprised more UM teams didn't come after him when

903
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:48,319
Speaker 1: he has such a distinguished run at app State cough cough, Tennessee. Yeah. Yeah,

904
00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:53,200
Speaker 1: how about that right backyard? Yeah, Like I mean, so, look,

905
00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:55,560
Speaker 1: he he has it. He I believe he has a

906
00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:58,120
Speaker 1: trending in the right direction when he gets his uh

907
00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:00,400
Speaker 1: hands or so a few more, a few more CRUs

908
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:02,640
Speaker 1: a few more difference makers. I think you see that

909
00:40:02,719 --> 00:40:04,840
Speaker 1: program kind of re emerges one to top teams in

910
00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:07,960
Speaker 1: a c C. There you go, well, tar heels, your

911
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:10,400
Speaker 1: tar heels to an o uh sitting in good shape

912
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:12,479
Speaker 1: in that conference. We're gonna get a chance, I believe

913
00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:15,160
Speaker 1: next week to talk to your former head coach and

914
00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:18,520
Speaker 1: the new head coach again, I should say, once again,

915
00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:20,839
Speaker 1: the head coach there at North Coronta mac Brown going

916
00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:23,640
Speaker 1: to join the show next week, looking forward to that conversation. Buck, Yeah,

917
00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:25,359
Speaker 1: that's a lot. I don't know if it's leaned into

918
00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:28,279
Speaker 1: the Appalachian State week, but um, I'll tell a coach

919
00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:30,680
Speaker 1: like a, I don't need you to win all of them,

920
00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:41,480
Speaker 1: but if you can win this one, so good, that's

921
00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:43,280
Speaker 1: gonna be fun. We'll have it a fun time preview

922
00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:45,120
Speaker 1: in that game next week. Another team that's on the

923
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:47,839
Speaker 1: uptick right now, uh, is the USC Trojan's coming off

924
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:50,759
Speaker 1: a big win over Stanford where they just threw it

925
00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:53,680
Speaker 1: all over the lot with their new quarterback in Keaton Slovias.

926
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:56,520
Speaker 1: And to me, the rising star or the emerging star

927
00:40:56,640 --> 00:40:59,240
Speaker 1: from that game wasn't just the young quarterback, the true freshman.

928
00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:01,920
Speaker 1: It was a late caller and Graham Harrold, a guy

929
00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:04,800
Speaker 1: who spent time in the NFL around Aaron Rodgers was

930
00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:06,840
Speaker 1: on that that team that won a Super Bowl with

931
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:10,319
Speaker 1: Packers and who broke all those records throwing the pill

932
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:13,600
Speaker 1: around at Texas Tech for Mike Leach throwing to Michael Crabtree,

933
00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:16,120
Speaker 1: and um, he took over at USC. It was it

934
00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:18,279
Speaker 1: was look that was a risky proposition for him. To

935
00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:20,479
Speaker 1: go to sc Clay Helton clearly on the hot seat,

936
00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:22,640
Speaker 1: but he believed he could get it done there. And

937
00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:26,360
Speaker 1: seeing their performance, Buck reminded me of our conversation with

938
00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:28,799
Speaker 1: Graham Harrow. Uh, just just a little over a month

939
00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:31,480
Speaker 1: ago when we were on our visit to USC and

940
00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:33,120
Speaker 1: I thought we could roll some of that sound back

941
00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:35,560
Speaker 1: because I thought we got a good idea, um that

942
00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:37,680
Speaker 1: this is this is a breakout that could take place.

943
00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:40,440
Speaker 1: You know, I think the guys when I was surprised

944
00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:42,080
Speaker 1: how quickly they picked it up. But also you're just

945
00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:43,759
Speaker 1: dealing with a different athlete in the CE and and

946
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:46,440
Speaker 1: um so so if we can just get the ball

947
00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:49,080
Speaker 1: on those guys hands, Uh, they're pretty special with it.

948
00:41:49,239 --> 00:41:51,520
Speaker 1: So so that was fun. You're able to said, because

949
00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:53,080
Speaker 1: they were be able to pick it up pretty quickly,

950
00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:54,680
Speaker 1: you kind of get able to get creative with Wascy

951
00:41:54,719 --> 00:41:57,279
Speaker 1: get him the football and uh and like I said,

952
00:41:57,320 --> 00:41:59,759
Speaker 1: there's special once the balls in their hand. And so uh,

953
00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:01,680
Speaker 1: they made my job a lot more fun, a lot

954
00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:05,080
Speaker 1: easy to spring your thoughts, Buck, just when you watched

955
00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:08,600
Speaker 1: watch them just demolished Stanford. And thinking back to our

956
00:42:08,719 --> 00:42:11,560
Speaker 1: visit with with Grant, what were thoughts on that everything

957
00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:13,759
Speaker 1: that those guys talked about was true, not only with Grant,

958
00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:15,839
Speaker 1: but we carry Coburn, and they just talked about how

959
00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:18,120
Speaker 1: easy the offense was for the athletes, how the athletes

960
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:20,879
Speaker 1: could play fast. And I think that is the trick

961
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:23,880
Speaker 1: for all coaches to find out, Okay, what kind of

962
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:26,000
Speaker 1: scheme can I put in that allows my guys to

963
00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:29,200
Speaker 1: maximize their talents but play to that level with the

964
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:31,239
Speaker 1: speed and the urgency that you want to see. And

965
00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:34,360
Speaker 1: I feel like USC has kind of found that sweet spot.

966
00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:37,239
Speaker 1: When I looked at them, just watching them from the couch, man,

967
00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:39,000
Speaker 1: the ball came out fast. It was quick. It was

968
00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:43,120
Speaker 1: nothing um extraordinary about the schematics, but what it was

969
00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:45,200
Speaker 1: it was like, man, it I kind of call a

970
00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:47,799
Speaker 1: common sense offense. If we were playing a video game

971
00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:49,799
Speaker 1: and you told me, I got a mom or st Brown,

972
00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:52,400
Speaker 1: and I got I got a Tyler Vons and I

973
00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:55,759
Speaker 1: got Stephen Carlo backroom. Okay, you know what I'm gonna do.

974
00:42:56,120 --> 00:42:57,719
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna get the ball to those guys and

975
00:42:57,719 --> 00:42:59,560
Speaker 1: I'm gonna let them do what they do. And that

976
00:42:59,840 --> 00:43:03,239
Speaker 1: is what sc was doing. And I think without complicating it,

977
00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:05,279
Speaker 1: he just allowed them to just play it. I mean,

978
00:43:05,560 --> 00:43:07,759
Speaker 1: how many times do we see those guys run four

979
00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:11,040
Speaker 1: steps sticks, four step hitches, catch the ball and make

980
00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:13,680
Speaker 1: the first two guys miss. I mean, look, it doesn't

981
00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:16,400
Speaker 1: have to be complicated when you have really good players.

982
00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:18,560
Speaker 1: That's part of what recruiting is. I want to get

983
00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:20,200
Speaker 1: really good players so I look like a better coach

984
00:43:20,200 --> 00:43:21,799
Speaker 1: and I don't have to do as much. I think

985
00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:24,279
Speaker 1: sc is onto that the big test for them would

986
00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:27,840
Speaker 1: be when they need to control the game. Can they

987
00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:30,680
Speaker 1: run it well enough to control it so they don't

988
00:43:30,719 --> 00:43:33,680
Speaker 1: have to keep a It's third and two with two

989
00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:35,759
Speaker 1: minutes left and we gotta throw a bubble screen and

990
00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:37,279
Speaker 1: get the first down as opposed to being able to

991
00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:39,359
Speaker 1: turn around and hand it to the running back. Uh.

992
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:41,280
Speaker 1: That would be the key, especially when they started playing

993
00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:45,000
Speaker 1: those heavyweight teams in the conference. Are they gonna be

994
00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:47,080
Speaker 1: able to run it when everyone in the stadium knows

995
00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:48,680
Speaker 1: you have to run it and they're still able to

996
00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:51,520
Speaker 1: pick up the first down? No doubt. It's gonna be

997
00:43:51,560 --> 00:43:53,640
Speaker 1: fun to watch them as they march the rest of

998
00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:55,359
Speaker 1: their schedule, and it is a murderer's role. I think

999
00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:57,000
Speaker 1: they have b y U this week, which is a good,

1000
00:43:57,080 --> 00:44:02,160
Speaker 1: tough game, physical Washington note or sorry Utah then Utah,

1001
00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:05,239
Speaker 1: then Washington then Notre Dame. So they've they also still

1002
00:44:05,239 --> 00:44:07,879
Speaker 1: have working on the schedule. So UM a lot still

1003
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:10,600
Speaker 1: out there for this USC team. By the way, up

1004
00:44:10,600 --> 00:44:13,120
Speaker 1: a new athletic rector, Lynd Swan. Uh no longer there

1005
00:44:13,239 --> 00:44:14,719
Speaker 1: for the children. So I do want to get your

1006
00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:17,319
Speaker 1: thoughts on a couple of things here before we get

1007
00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:19,840
Speaker 1: out of here. Buck Joe Burrow, just your thoughts on

1008
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:23,279
Speaker 1: him as a player that, uh, I believe our guy

1009
00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:26,360
Speaker 1: we just talked to JP was was hinting at this,

1010
00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:29,759
Speaker 1: at this type of performance coming. Yeah, JP talked about

1011
00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:31,719
Speaker 1: j JP talked about Joe Burrow on how he was

1012
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:33,920
Speaker 1: excited to see him go against Texas. Um, I think

1013
00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:36,799
Speaker 1: the the best thing that I saw from Joe Burrows Man,

1014
00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:38,960
Speaker 1: he gets the ball out, He's fearless, he's courageous in

1015
00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:42,600
Speaker 1: he has the juice. Mean, he he's a real quarterback.

1016
00:44:42,719 --> 00:44:45,320
Speaker 1: And it's something that l s U hasn't had. And

1017
00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:47,280
Speaker 1: with all the athletes at l s U has always

1018
00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:48,840
Speaker 1: been able to kind of bring on campus and to

1019
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:51,480
Speaker 1: put at wide receiver and running back, they've never had

1020
00:44:51,560 --> 00:44:54,040
Speaker 1: a guy that could just deal a point guard at

1021
00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:56,680
Speaker 1: the quarterback position. They just knew how to set his

1022
00:44:56,760 --> 00:44:59,400
Speaker 1: guys up so they could go get buckets. And what

1023
00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:02,200
Speaker 1: I saw from Joe Burrow, Joe Burrow is the perfect

1024
00:45:02,320 --> 00:45:04,400
Speaker 1: pass first point guard. He gets it to him in

1025
00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:07,560
Speaker 1: their sweet spots. He let them uh get it in

1026
00:45:07,719 --> 00:45:09,759
Speaker 1: rhythm and then they go and make plays. And he

1027
00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:12,719
Speaker 1: has the toughness that you also need because they got

1028
00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:14,120
Speaker 1: hit a couple of times and he bounced back and

1029
00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:16,800
Speaker 1: made some terrific throws. And So if I'm an L

1030
00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:19,960
Speaker 1: s U fan, if I'm uh really looking to see

1031
00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:23,040
Speaker 1: what this team's potential could be, I'm excited about Joe Borrow.

1032
00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:26,040
Speaker 1: I think if I'm an NFL scout, I'm still looking

1033
00:45:26,080 --> 00:45:27,920
Speaker 1: to see does he have all the things that you

1034
00:45:28,120 --> 00:45:30,399
Speaker 1: that you want. But I mean, this guy comes from

1035
00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:33,640
Speaker 1: as Ohio State, jumps down at l s U and

1036
00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:35,880
Speaker 1: we haven't seen a big time quarterback in l s U.

1037
00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:38,320
Speaker 1: He is going to be elevated by the play of

1038
00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:40,480
Speaker 1: those guys around him. I think we're talking about a

1039
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:42,640
Speaker 1: guy that's gonna end up being a pretty good NFL prospect.

1040
00:45:43,560 --> 00:45:46,399
Speaker 1: And I talked about it um in my article talking

1041
00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:49,080
Speaker 1: about the different clusters, which will revisit that later on

1042
00:45:49,160 --> 00:45:51,040
Speaker 1: in the season. I don't see if he ends up

1043
00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:53,200
Speaker 1: climbing up a cluster, which I think he's well on

1044
00:45:53,239 --> 00:45:54,799
Speaker 1: his way to doing. But all the scouts and went

1045
00:45:54,840 --> 00:45:57,120
Speaker 1: through there during two days said he looked really good,

1046
00:45:57,239 --> 00:45:59,000
Speaker 1: and the coaches said he's fully healthy, and it's a

1047
00:45:59,040 --> 00:46:01,880
Speaker 1: different guy this year. So um, it wasn't totally a

1048
00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:04,920
Speaker 1: surprise to see him perform the way he did. Uh

1049
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:07,759
Speaker 1: do want to flip over to his old school start

1050
00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:11,160
Speaker 1: out Ohio State speaking, and that got me um thinking

1051
00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:13,680
Speaker 1: about Chase Young, who's the edge rusher for the Buckeyes,

1052
00:46:13,719 --> 00:46:15,920
Speaker 1: who had a chance to watch his tape against Cincinnati.

1053
00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:18,799
Speaker 1: He's phenomenal man that they have done such a great

1054
00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:22,680
Speaker 1: job of recruiting players and developing players, and they coach

1055
00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:25,200
Speaker 1: him up as well. Larry Johnson or defensive line coach.

1056
00:46:25,320 --> 00:46:28,480
Speaker 1: If you've seen the bossa Swhite move from Joey and Nick,

1057
00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:31,319
Speaker 1: it's been handed down. It did not leave Columbus. Chase

1058
00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:33,759
Speaker 1: Young has picked that Swhite move up, uh, and he

1059
00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:36,120
Speaker 1: is still rolling with it. Big time burst and get

1060
00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:39,799
Speaker 1: off very disruptive there against Cincinnati. It's no secret he's

1061
00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:41,920
Speaker 1: gonna be a, you know, a top ten type player.

1062
00:46:42,239 --> 00:46:44,440
Speaker 1: And then when I'm watching him, I even put it

1063
00:46:44,600 --> 00:46:46,319
Speaker 1: a tweeter on a little video. They got a kid

1064
00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:48,840
Speaker 1: mucked on the other side, Tyreek Smith, who's a sophomore.

1065
00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:51,000
Speaker 1: You know, you know when you're watching tape on a

1066
00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:52,279
Speaker 1: dude and all of a sudden you see the other

1067
00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:54,920
Speaker 1: guy and you're like whoa, Like who is this? And

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Speaker 1: uh it caused you to get on your computer and

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Speaker 1: look it up. Make sure he's not draft eligible, which

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Speaker 1: he's not. Just believe with true sophomore there, but six

1071
00:47:02,080 --> 00:47:05,439
Speaker 1: four to sixty seven, these guys all look alike. They're

1072
00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:07,960
Speaker 1: just big and strong and powerful and can move. And

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00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:10,399
Speaker 1: he had one that that one little play I posted.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if you saw it, Buck, but just

1075
00:47:11,880 --> 00:47:14,360
Speaker 1: a little, uh, a little little cross over inside I

1076
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:16,680
Speaker 1: was like, whoa. I mean, they've got some different looking

1077
00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:20,319
Speaker 1: dudes there at Ohio States. Apologies to Michigan, apologies everybody else.

1078
00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:22,640
Speaker 1: Ohio States winning that conference again. Hey, look, man, they

1079
00:47:22,719 --> 00:47:24,200
Speaker 1: have it, they have it going on, and I just

1080
00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:25,840
Speaker 1: love the way they play. I love what they do.

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00:47:26,320 --> 00:47:28,399
Speaker 1: You know. Look, I met Ryan Dave for the first

1082
00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:30,799
Speaker 1: time at the combine. Loved our interactions and the way

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00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:32,640
Speaker 1: he talked in his vision for the program and what

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00:47:32,719 --> 00:47:34,480
Speaker 1: he wants to do. And then when you just look

1085
00:47:34,480 --> 00:47:36,080
Speaker 1: at the athletes that they have, man, they just do

1086
00:47:36,160 --> 00:47:39,400
Speaker 1: a great job of recruiting. They have some uh terrific playmakers.

1087
00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:43,760
Speaker 1: And look, they have been a prominent pipeline for NFL talent.

1088
00:47:43,840 --> 00:47:45,880
Speaker 1: And so when you put that talent with good coaching

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Speaker 1: and you have the right chemistry in the locker room,

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00:47:47,719 --> 00:47:49,160
Speaker 1: you're gonna win at a high level. And so I

1091
00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:51,719
Speaker 1: expect the Buckeys win at high level. I just can't

1092
00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:55,040
Speaker 1: wait to see the game at the end of the year. Oh,

1093
00:47:55,080 --> 00:47:57,480
Speaker 1: I just state Michigan because this should be the year

1094
00:47:57,560 --> 00:47:59,600
Speaker 1: that msions going to get him. Michigan just struggle with

1095
00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:02,400
Speaker 1: gonna happen. But I don't think they do with that.

1096
00:48:02,560 --> 00:48:04,440
Speaker 1: But I just can't wait to see. I just think

1097
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Speaker 1: I just think it's just a big, fascinating game I'm

1098
00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:10,719
Speaker 1: fascinated by. I don't think anything's changing there. They've got dudes, man,

1099
00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:13,120
Speaker 1: they have got dudes up front of that defensive which,

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Speaker 1: by the way, leads me to an interview I cannot

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Speaker 1: wait for coming up on our next podcast. We're gonna

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Speaker 1: have Mark Pantoni on who's demand behind the recruiting machine

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Speaker 1: at Ohio State, going back all the way there through

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Speaker 1: the Urban Meyer era, all the great players, Zekoe Elliott,

1105
00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:31,600
Speaker 1: Joey Bosh, you know, Marshawn Lattimore. I mean, the list

1106
00:48:31,680 --> 00:48:33,520
Speaker 1: goes on and on and on and on of all

1107
00:48:33,520 --> 00:48:35,600
Speaker 1: the great players they've had rolled through there in the

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00:48:35,680 --> 00:48:39,200
Speaker 1: last seven eight years. The guy who evaluated recruited him

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00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:41,799
Speaker 1: and helped get him on campus. Mark Pantoni is going

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Speaker 1: to join us on that episode. Well, have fun talking

1111
00:48:44,280 --> 00:48:46,920
Speaker 1: about watching those guys as high school players and what

1112
00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:49,280
Speaker 1: they saw in them and uh and how they developed

1113
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Speaker 1: there for the buck eys Um Buck Football is back.

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Speaker 1: want to get to here back before we roll out

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Speaker 1: of here. No, man, I'm just excited. I do believe.

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Speaker 1: Like on Thursday when we have the pod, we should

1124
00:49:19,400 --> 00:49:23,000
Speaker 1: just kind of single out a few more college guys

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00:49:23,040 --> 00:49:24,920
Speaker 1: that have kind of bubbled up on the radar. I

1126
00:49:25,040 --> 00:49:28,000
Speaker 1: love like studying this time of year, like the guys

1127
00:49:28,080 --> 00:49:30,000
Speaker 1: that you hear about in the summer. But now you're

1128
00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:32,640
Speaker 1: beginning to see um Man have some really good players.

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Speaker 1: Some really good players are gonna be a twenty draft

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00:49:34,600 --> 00:49:37,880
Speaker 1: class I'm looking forward to. I actually spend some time

1131
00:49:37,920 --> 00:49:39,360
Speaker 1: on the phone this morning with our with our buddy

1132
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Speaker 1: David Pollock, and uh, I'm telling you about some of

1133
00:49:41,360 --> 00:49:44,840
Speaker 1: these Georgia kids. Man especialist offensive alignements. That's on my

1134
00:49:44,960 --> 00:49:46,880
Speaker 1: to do list, on my homework list. How about that

1135
00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:49,799
Speaker 1: we'll get some discussion on those guys. Big time, big

1136
00:49:49,840 --> 00:49:52,080
Speaker 1: time looking team, uh buck. This is why I love

1137
00:49:52,200 --> 00:49:55,040
Speaker 1: this show because today we got to cover ground on

1138
00:49:55,239 --> 00:49:58,520
Speaker 1: NFL players. Um we got to cover ground on college

1139
00:49:58,560 --> 00:50:01,239
Speaker 1: guys that we're looking forward to. We talked to a

1140
00:50:01,520 --> 00:50:05,480
Speaker 1: culture team builder in Scott Sadderfield there at Louisville, which

1141
00:50:05,520 --> 00:50:08,319
Speaker 1: brings into, you know, the whole leadership space. So when

1142
00:50:08,320 --> 00:50:12,439
Speaker 1: you're starting college players, NFL players, culture leadership, man, that's

1143
00:50:12,960 --> 00:50:14,759
Speaker 1: it's I'm selfish. These are the kind of things that

1144
00:50:14,840 --> 00:50:16,520
Speaker 1: I like to dig into and I know you do

1145
00:50:16,640 --> 00:50:19,320
Speaker 1: as well. And uh, that's why I enjoy these conversations

1146
00:50:19,360 --> 00:50:20,799
Speaker 1: each and every time we get to do it. Man,

1147
00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:22,160
Speaker 1: I love it. I love it. I love the way

1148
00:50:22,200 --> 00:50:24,040
Speaker 1: that we're able to live in so many different worlds

1149
00:50:24,600 --> 00:50:27,560
Speaker 1: where there's college, pro even high school. Um. I just

1150
00:50:27,719 --> 00:50:30,319
Speaker 1: love that the podcast has really become all about ball

1151
00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:32,160
Speaker 1: in so many different ways. And then when you talk

1152
00:50:32,160 --> 00:50:35,280
Speaker 1: about the team building element, um, and it's been the fascination.

1153
00:50:35,400 --> 00:50:37,360
Speaker 1: Like I, I've seen you take notes in the books

1154
00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:40,279
Speaker 1: we've talked about that we both have read. It is

1155
00:50:40,320 --> 00:50:42,439
Speaker 1: all about trying to find the perfect way to build

1156
00:50:42,480 --> 00:50:45,640
Speaker 1: a championship squad when you listen to the podcast. Yeah,

1157
00:50:45,680 --> 00:50:48,480
Speaker 1: that's our goal, that's our mission. There. Appreciate you guys

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00:50:48,719 --> 00:50:51,800
Speaker 1: again leaving us those five star ratings and reviews on

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Speaker 1: Apple Podcasts. We do appreciate that. That is huge. Um,

1160
00:50:55,040 --> 00:50:56,920
Speaker 1: this thing continues to grow and it's it's a fun

1161
00:50:57,040 --> 00:50:58,680
Speaker 1: ride to be on. I remember you check out all

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Speaker 1: our videos NFL dot com, us MTS video over the

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Speaker 1: new channel on YouTube YouTube dot com Slash NFL podcast.

1164
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Speaker 1: There's a chance we might start getting even more of

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Speaker 1: our audio podcast material uploaded there on that YouTube channel,

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Speaker 1: so be on the lookout for that. All right, that's

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Speaker 1: gonna do it for us. He's Bucky Brooks. I'm Daniel Jeremiah.

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Speaker 1: Kitchen next time right here on Move the Sticks. Thanks

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