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Speaker 2: on this event. Heads up. This episode contains a reference
Speaker 2: to suicide and detailed descriptions of combat. Hey, it's Jake here.
Speaker 2: I hope you enjoyed The Truth about Sarah this season.
Speaker 2: There were so many interviews Jess and I did that
Speaker 2: we just couldn't fit in, but that really stayed with us,
Speaker 2: kind of looping in our heads. Some of them are
Speaker 2: pretty haunting, and we wanted to share a few of
Speaker 2: these with you. This first one involves that song that
Speaker 2: you heard about in the last episode of the series,
Speaker 2: the Country Ballad, the one that Sarah went to Nashville
Speaker 2: to help create. In this episode, we're going to show
Speaker 2: you how that song came to be and introduce you
Speaker 2: to one person in particular who helps veterans make these songs.
Speaker 2: His name is Seth Cole, and once upon a time
Speaker 2: he was friends with Sarah Kevanaugh. Back in twenty nineteen,
Speaker 2: Sarah joined a songwriting program. It was run by Creative Vets,
Speaker 2: a nonprofit out of Nashville that helps veterans heal from
Speaker 2: trauma through music and art. You might remember the song
Speaker 2: that Sarah helped to create through that program. It was
Speaker 2: in our last episode and.
Speaker 3: Na smell the Soul a fields of Blood and down Ever,
Speaker 3: lookgat how heavy the silence was. Let's go back before
Speaker 3: the last ye.
Speaker 2: Sarah actually helped write two songs in Nashville. The second
Speaker 2: is a kind of soul searching love ballad called still
Speaker 2: See Me. The lyrics, well, they're all about this woman
Speaker 2: who's lost her way in life. Here, have a listen,
Speaker 2: goods round down, can't find me, good things, I'm done everything,
Speaker 2: scene on the darn.
Speaker 4: Sense, I'm not res.
Speaker 3: Scene fuste scene.
Speaker 2: I'm not who I used to be, and I can't
Speaker 2: find the me I've known. Yeah, it's almost like she
Speaker 2: was giving us a peek behind the curtain, hinting at
Speaker 2: the double life that she was leading and all the
Speaker 2: confusion and heartache that it caused.
Speaker 5: We all listened to her song and thought, oh, this
Speaker 5: is great, you know, wonderful, you got some more healing,
Speaker 5: and then just to come find out, you know, it
Speaker 5: was all a lie. It was all just smoke and mirrors.
Speaker 2: That's Seth Cole. He's the guy that I was telling
Speaker 2: you about. He works at Creative Vets. He's their veteran
Speaker 2: outreach coordinator, and Seth he actually met Sarah back when
Speaker 2: she was living her double life as a wounded veteran.
Speaker 1: Well.
Speaker 2: Seth was happy for Sarah that she'd found some catharsis.
Speaker 2: He told me that when you heard her song still
Speaker 2: see me, something about it just didn't seem right.
Speaker 5: I I couldn't put my finger on it, but I
Speaker 5: just didn't. I didn't believe the song. I did not
Speaker 5: believe this song that was That was the first thing
Speaker 5: that I had thought. But I was just like, oh, well,
Speaker 5: maybe you know, there are a few things in there
Speaker 5: that didn't make sense to me because a lot of
Speaker 5: the songs you can listen to and you can like,
Speaker 5: oh yeah, yeah, I could see that happening, but hers,
Speaker 5: it just it just had something to it.
Speaker 1: I didn't. It just wasn't wasn't connecting.
Speaker 2: When I interviewed Seth back in November, we talked for hours.
Speaker 2: I heard his whole story, and, like so much of
Speaker 2: what you've heard this season, that story it will once
Speaker 2: again change the way that you think about Sarah Kavanaugh.
Speaker 2: Welcome back to Deep Cover Season six, The Truth about Sarah.
Speaker 2: This is Seth's story. Let me start by telling you
Speaker 2: how Seth found his way to Creative Vets. He first
Speaker 2: joined as a participant, a veteran looking for something, anything
Speaker 2: that might help him find some solace. Then he volunteered,
Speaker 2: and eventually he joined the staff. Now Seth's the guy
Speaker 2: you talk to when you reach out to Creative Vets.
Speaker 2: Veterans who call are sometimes shy and skeptical, but Seth,
Speaker 2: he's got a hell of an opening spiel.
Speaker 1: I just say hey. I'll start out.
Speaker 5: My name is Seth Cole. I'm a veteran of the
Speaker 5: Iraq War, and I made it about six months into
Speaker 5: my deployment before I was hit with Martin nineteen grenade
Speaker 5: and that completely ended my career. I ended up going
Speaker 5: back to Walter Reed and I woke up and fifty
Speaker 5: seven where they were talking about cutting my right arm off.
Speaker 1: You're just dropping all this on them.
Speaker 5: I'm just dropping all of it on them because I
Speaker 5: want them to do the same thing with me. I
Speaker 5: want them to reciprocate exactly what I just did. If
Speaker 5: they went through something so totally dark that it put
Speaker 5: him in that space of mine that you know, I
Speaker 5: can't go further. I need them to tell me that,
Speaker 5: and so I tell my whole story.
Speaker 2: Seth's story it has a rocky start. He grew up
Speaker 2: in Kansas in a small town called Stafford.
Speaker 5: I've went all the way through life, you know, pretty
Speaker 5: much five years old, didn't know a dad, didn't know
Speaker 5: anything about life. My mom said, my dad ran off.
Speaker 5: She brought another guy into my life at five. That
Speaker 5: was my stepdad. When I was fourteen, my mom and
Speaker 5: my stepdad got divorced and she decided that she wanted
Speaker 5: to marry a new guy, and that guy didn't want
Speaker 5: any kids. So at fourteen, I was kicked out of
Speaker 5: the house. You were fourteen at the time, Yeah, I
Speaker 5: was fourteen. I've been living on my own since I
Speaker 5: was fourteen years old.
Speaker 1: And were you so? Were you? Were you going to school?
Speaker 3: I did?
Speaker 5: I did up until about junior year, and then in
Speaker 5: junior year, I just couldn't keep up with it anymore.
Speaker 5: It was either work or go to school. And so
Speaker 5: I was just I was tired of finding myself not
Speaker 5: being able to have water, not being able to have electricity,
Speaker 5: or not being able to have gas or you know.
Speaker 1: So I had to I had to.
Speaker 5: Figure something out, and I had to go get a
Speaker 5: better job.
Speaker 2: So Seth gets a job painting grain elevators. You know
Speaker 2: those big metal towers pointed at the top. You see
Speaker 2: them scattered throughout the Midwest. Anyway, Seth painted those and
Speaker 2: he picked up other jobs wherever he could. He says
Speaker 2: he worked long hours, not much pay. He was stuck,
Speaker 2: and he knew he needed a way out, a way forward.
Speaker 5: I was just like, Okay, what am I going to
Speaker 5: do with life? And how am I going to get
Speaker 5: out of the situation. So I went to the military,
Speaker 5: then the National Guard. It was like, yeah, we can
Speaker 5: get you in there. We'll ship you out in about May, and.
Speaker 1: That was that.
Speaker 2: Seth was now a member of the US military. After
Speaker 2: some training, he was sent overseas in two thousand and seven.
Speaker 5: So I got deployed to Mamadia Iraq. I saw a
Speaker 5: lot of things that I probably didn't want to, you know,
Speaker 5: that very first week, and then after that it was
Speaker 5: just like downhill, you know, everything from dead camels to
Speaker 5: dead humans.
Speaker 2: Seth says that from the start it was chaos, just
Speaker 2: one thing after another, and it didn't let up.
Speaker 5: Every day from that point on was either a mortar
Speaker 5: attack or a rocket attack, or you know, some sort
Speaker 5: of crazy thing that happened. We had mass casualty come
Speaker 5: in and everybody was being run out by gurneys and
Speaker 5: I'm probably one hundred yards away looking at this. We
Speaker 5: were in one of the worst areas in Iraq, and
Speaker 5: it showed.
Speaker 2: One day, Seth was given an assignment to set up
Speaker 2: a radar system in between two villages. Seth was with
Speaker 2: his buddy, another soldier. Someone took a shot at them
Speaker 2: from behind a tree line. The bullet hit the sandbag
Speaker 2: in front of him. His buddy, who was holding this
Speaker 2: Mark nineteen grenade launcher, jerked it down into his lap
Speaker 2: and it was an old piece of gear no safety.
Speaker 2: The trigger depressed it fired, The round hit a wall,
Speaker 2: ricocheted and exploded three feet from Seth's face.
Speaker 5: As I just thought about it for a second. I
Speaker 5: had dropped a piece of brain out of my head,
Speaker 5: which I thought was a clot. I picked it up
Speaker 5: just to, you know, just to make sure, and it
Speaker 5: was a piece of brain, and I was like, oh
Speaker 5: my god, this is not good. At that point, I
Speaker 5: was just like, oh, oh crap, I'm dead. And so
Speaker 5: I passed out and I was in and out of consciousness.
Speaker 5: They did like the triage and bagdad. They did a
Speaker 5: surgery and ballade and then I woke up and ic
Speaker 5: you and Walter read.
Speaker 2: Seth suffered a traumatic brain injury. He spent three and
Speaker 2: a half months recovering at Walter Reid, then another year
Speaker 2: and a half at a hospital in Fort Riley, Kansas.
Speaker 2: Once he was stable, he moved to Washington State and
Speaker 2: tried to start over. He enrolled in college in a
Speaker 2: clinical psychology program, but then the seizures started bad ones.
Speaker 2: He had to drop out. He couldn't drive, he couldn't work.
Speaker 2: He told me he felt completely cut off alone, and
Speaker 2: things got dark, so dark he thought about ending his life. Then,
Speaker 2: in twenty sixteen, almost a decade after his time in Iraq,
Speaker 2: he got a lifeline.
Speaker 5: The What A Way of Project. They reached out to
Speaker 5: me and they said, hey, we want to put you
Speaker 5: into this program called the Independence Program, and it's a
Speaker 5: lifelong deal where we follow you throughout life and I'll
Speaker 5: help you with services. Help you get a CSS, which
Speaker 5: is community support specialist more or less just a caregiver
Speaker 5: to help you clean your house, take you to appointments.
Speaker 5: Do you know, because at one point, with all those seiters,
Speaker 5: I couldn't drive.
Speaker 2: All of a sudden, Seth had the support that he
Speaker 2: desperately needed. He got all kinds of help from Wounded Warrior,
Speaker 2: including retreats where he could connect with other veterans.
Speaker 5: One of the things that they had though for this,
Speaker 5: saying was a financial summit to kind of teach you
Speaker 5: how to balance the budget, keep savings, to you know,
Speaker 5: play with the stock market if that's what you want
Speaker 5: to do. And that's where Sarah Russell, Travis and.
Speaker 2: I all met Sarah as in Sarah Kavanaugh. At the time,
Speaker 2: Sarah was also enrolled in the Wounded Warrior Independence Program.
Speaker 2: She even had someone helping her at home with daily tasks.
Speaker 2: At that retreat, Seth formed deep connections with the people
Speaker 2: that he met there was Russ the Salt of the
Speaker 2: Earth former Green Beret. There was Travis from Detroit who
Speaker 2: was a double amputee, and then of course there was Sarah.
Speaker 2: Seth told us that he heard stories from Sarah about
Speaker 2: her service stories you may recognize by now.
Speaker 5: She said she went to Afghanistan, she ended up having
Speaker 5: an ide go off pretty much right beside her and
Speaker 5: broke it, shattered her hips.
Speaker 2: Seth remembers the first time that he saw Sarah standing
Speaker 2: in the hotel lobby mingling with the other vets.
Speaker 5: She was she was outgoing. That that was the biggest thing.
Speaker 5: Like she was talking to everybody and she was out going.
Speaker 5: She definitely struck an interest because I wanted I wanted
Speaker 5: that bug that she had, if she was able to
Speaker 5: go through all the crap that she said she was
Speaker 5: and be.
Speaker 1: Able to be that bubbly.
Speaker 5: I wanted that bug because I wanted to be able
Speaker 5: to get back to being a social butterfly. And so
Speaker 5: I just kind of gravitated words that and I guess
Speaker 5: that you know, Travis and Russ both saw the same thing.
Speaker 5: It organically kicked off. We hung out with each other
Speaker 5: the whole time.
Speaker 2: This is something that we've seen before. Sarah shows up
Speaker 2: at these events, surrounded by real vets, many of them struggling,
Speaker 2: and somehow she just fits right in. She finds community,
Speaker 2: She blends, she bonds. She knows how to connect in
Speaker 2: these small group settings where people can often be guarded
Speaker 2: but also quietly yearning for connection, and she doesn't overplay it.
Speaker 2: A sore hip here, a bad back there, nothing wild,
Speaker 2: at least not at first, nothing that sets off alarms,
Speaker 2: just enough to pass as one of them.
Speaker 5: Every once in a while she'd be like, oh, my
Speaker 5: hips are tired, and so Russ had picked her up
Speaker 5: and give her a piggyback ride. She was blaming that
Speaker 5: on Oh my hips are killing me and my back's certain.
Speaker 5: I've got so many metal rods in my body, you know,
Speaker 5: And so I mean, it was just like the normal
Speaker 5: stuff that if somebody had been through an ID or
Speaker 5: somebody'd been through a traumatic incident, you know that you know,
Speaker 5: really hurt their body. That that was the kind of
Speaker 5: stuff that she was portraying. You know, it was just like, Okay, yeah,
Speaker 5: you're pretty messed up, just like the rest of us.
Speaker 5: You know, we got Travis who's a double amputee wheeling
Speaker 5: beside us.
Speaker 2: After the retreat. This new group of friends continued to
Speaker 2: swap advice, share what they learned about how to navigate
Speaker 2: the system and make the most of the resources available
Speaker 2: to veterans and get this. It was actually Sarah who
Speaker 2: first told them about Creative Vets, the program that helps
Speaker 2: veterans make songs about their life, and there was another
Speaker 2: program that Creative Vets ran also where veterans could create
Speaker 2: artwork like paintings. Sarah, she passed this info along. Seth
Speaker 2: eventually signed up kind of half convinced, and he got
Speaker 2: accepted into one of Creative Vets art programs. At the time,
Speaker 2: he didn't know what impact it would have. He just
Speaker 2: knew he was in a dark place, really dark.
Speaker 5: So before that, I had been planning on just going
Speaker 5: and saying goodbye to Russ and you know, even Sarah
Speaker 5: at that time, and just kind of coming back and
Speaker 5: eating a bullet. I had been thinking about it for
Speaker 5: a very long time. I had a spot picked out,
Speaker 5: you know, so that was what it was going to be.
Speaker 2: But fortunately something got in between him and that bullet.
Speaker 2: That date he'd made on the calendar to attend to
Speaker 2: the Creative Vets retreat. It was an art program, held
Speaker 2: in the campus of USC in Los Angeles. He spent
Speaker 2: two weeks there. Russ and Sarah went with him. The
Speaker 2: three of them hung out and explored the city, Venice Beach, Malibu,
Speaker 2: the Santa Monica peer in class. Set did his artwork
Speaker 2: and he made a piece called Dinner before Disaster. It
Speaker 2: was his way of telling the story of what had
Speaker 2: happened to him in Iraq. The title comes from that
Speaker 2: moment just before the grenade exploded, when he'd been eating
Speaker 2: a meal. He welded a metal brain and he set
Speaker 2: it next to a ceramic bowl. Then he caught a
Speaker 2: chunk out of that brain to show the part that
Speaker 2: was lost, and he scattered sand all around it. For
Speaker 2: Seth making this was so cathartic, and it brought him
Speaker 2: a realization about the power of creating art.
Speaker 5: I went out there and in the time that I
Speaker 5: was out there doing all that stuff, a light bulb
Speaker 5: hit and I was like, man, I could share this
Speaker 5: with everybody, and this kid actually helped them to get
Speaker 5: through some of these traumas.
Speaker 1: And so when.
Speaker 5: I got done with the program, instead of going and
Speaker 5: eating that bullet, I went back and threw myself into
Speaker 5: the VA and the volunteer side, and so you know
Speaker 5: that that was my life changing moment.
Speaker 1: It just it put a new sense of purpose into me.
Speaker 2: We'll be right back. After his time in Los Angeles
Speaker 2: at the art retreat, Seth did okay for a while.
Speaker 2: Then COVID hit and Seth, like so many of us,
Speaker 2: struggled with the shutdowns and the isolation. Then you got
Speaker 2: a call from the executive director of Creative Vets asking
Speaker 2: him if he wanted to participate in a songwriting program
Speaker 2: over zoom.
Speaker 5: Everybody was, you know, sitting in their house and I
Speaker 5: was getting back to that spot again, you know. But
Speaker 5: I was like, Okay, there's something that's going to happen.
Speaker 5: And Richard called and he was like, Hey, we're going
Speaker 5: to do a virtual song right since we can't bring
Speaker 5: everybody out to Nashville.
Speaker 1: Would you be up for that? I said, yeah, why not.
Speaker 2: Seth was not a musician, but because the whole art
Speaker 2: retreat in Los Angeles had gone so well, he figured,
Speaker 2: let me give this a try. Seth was assigned a
Speaker 2: mentor and a songwriter who listened carefully to his story.
Speaker 1: They asked me, you know, what do you have on
Speaker 1: your mind?
Speaker 5: And I was like, look, I'm interested in being able
Speaker 5: to take pretty much my whole life, you know, and
Speaker 5: put it into here and then that way that I
Speaker 5: can just put all that Charlotte behind me. And they
Speaker 5: were like, okay, yeah, let's do that. And so I
Speaker 5: started pretty much from the beginning where I did with you,
Speaker 5: and I went all the way through everything. This took
Speaker 5: like six hours or more just to be able to
Speaker 5: get everything done and on.
Speaker 1: You know, that piece of paper.
Speaker 5: And by the time we were all said and done,
Speaker 5: they had the melody, the song, the leader, all that
Speaker 5: stuff put together, and we took it over to the
Speaker 5: studio the next day and put it down on track.
Speaker 2: For years, Seth carried the weight of his story without
Speaker 2: a place to set it down. But here, through this
Speaker 2: songwriting program, he found this space and the courage to
Speaker 2: lay it all out. Trauma, memory, truth all transformed into melody.
Speaker 2: What had once felt unspeakable was now a song.
Speaker 5: You know, just such an amazing experience come out of there,
Speaker 5: even being virtual. When I got off the computer, I
Speaker 5: was so happy and elated and just ready to go.
Speaker 2: And the song, it was something that he could share.
Speaker 5: You've been able to put this out and get things
Speaker 5: you know on paper that you know you don't ever
Speaker 5: have to talk about again. Now you can pass this
Speaker 5: song over to somebody and that'll explain.
Speaker 1: Your story for you.
Speaker 2: What was it like the first time you heard this song,
Speaker 2: like as an actual song with music and someone singing, Oh.
Speaker 1: My gosh, it was like goosebumps everywhere like that. That
Speaker 1: was my story coming to life.
Speaker 5: And it actually made an impact on not only me
Speaker 5: but the people around me, because every time that I
Speaker 5: shared that song, every time that I sang that song,
Speaker 5: every time I played it, it was just someone came
Speaker 5: up with something new to say about it.
Speaker 1: Well, do you sing? Can you sing a lyric? A
Speaker 1: line for me? Are you not a singer? I do sing?
Speaker 1: Give us a line? Then all right.
Speaker 4: You don't get to choose your flesh shan blue hell
Speaker 4: you raised away from Sometimes it calls your dell tane.
Speaker 4: Fancy you fold your hands to the man upstairs when
Speaker 4: the way he's putting on is just too much.
Speaker 1: You can choose.
Speaker 4: Break you down, fine, to keep you alive man, finely
Speaker 4: side to rise bub.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that song gets me every time anyway, So sorry
Speaker 5: for the non warm up singing, No You're good. Debut
Speaker 5: at the opry. I've had a couple of times. We've
Speaker 5: been on the field of the Titans game. We've been,
Speaker 5: gosh where else it played on the field of the
Speaker 5: Titans game.
Speaker 6: Ladies and gentlemen, here the fourth that song Rise up Bull,
Speaker 6: Please put your hands together for correct Campbell.
Speaker 4: Some people have a picture perfect childhood with the house
Speaker 4: of Home.
Speaker 1: Know you.
Speaker 2: Seth told me about this moment standing in the Titans
Speaker 2: stadium before tens of thousands of fans and these musicians
Speaker 2: are performing his songs, belting out the words to his
Speaker 2: story like an anthem of hardship and resilience. People are cheering,
Speaker 2: and then, in a scene that could probably only happen
Speaker 2: in America, they offer Seth one final tribute.
Speaker 6: Seth, thank you so much. You've given so much to
Speaker 6: your country. Now as a single father of five, you're
Speaker 6: giving so much to these kids. And how about a
Speaker 6: twenty twenty four Nissan Pathfinder planning a magician so you
Speaker 6: can get these kids in to store. We loved brother,
Speaker 6: what more time with that doll, Ladies and gentlemen.
Speaker 5: My kids that I were all setting out and it
Speaker 5: was just one of the most emotional moments in my life.
Speaker 5: It was really one of those experiences I can't put
Speaker 5: into words.
Speaker 1: It was just all emotion.
Speaker 2: Even though Seth has found some healing and community at
Speaker 2: great events, it still hasn't been an easy path for him.
Speaker 2: His friend Travis, the one from Detroit who was a
Speaker 2: double amputee, he passed away in twenty twenty one. His
Speaker 2: memory stays with Seth and it still kind of tears
Speaker 2: him up that he couldn't have done more to help
Speaker 2: this friend and fellow veteran.
Speaker 5: I had just talked to him the month before and
Speaker 5: he was doing good. He was learning language, he was
Speaker 5: you know, he had a plan for life. And you know,
Speaker 5: something happened that week that, you know, just completely threw
Speaker 5: him back into that spiral, and so he went back
Speaker 5: to go find pain relief and found death instead.
Speaker 2: Seth told us that Travis never applied to a program
Speaker 2: with creative vets, but he really wishes that he had.
Speaker 2: Whether or not it would have helped, it's impossible to say,
Speaker 2: but Seth, he can't help but wonder what it might
Speaker 2: have done for Travis.
Speaker 1: He was trying to find those tools.
Speaker 5: Every time that we talked, it was you know, I'm
Speaker 5: doing this, I'm doing that you know, and he was
Speaker 5: trying to find the one thing that's going to help
Speaker 5: him to be able to get out of that hole,
Speaker 5: and he didn't find it. So knowing that really leaves
Speaker 5: a burden on my heart for him.
Speaker 2: This lost opportunity underscores what Sarah stole a spot that
Speaker 2: somebody else could have taken.
Speaker 5: We're a very small organization, so being able to do
Speaker 5: large groups is not something that we're tailored for. We're
Speaker 5: for that small, intimate session and we can only help
Speaker 5: so many veterans a year, and to have one that
Speaker 5: comes through the program multiple times that happens to not
Speaker 5: be a veteran really takes away from those that could
Speaker 5: have been able to get in here and do something
Speaker 5: with their life and.
Speaker 1: Turn it around.
Speaker 2: For Seth, these creative VET retreats, they're not just a perk,
Speaker 2: not just a nod to the hardship. Veterans have endured
Speaker 2: their chance to make sense of that hardship, to embrace it,
Speaker 2: to find meaning in it, to take something jagged and raw,
Speaker 2: and through the alchemy of music, shape it into something
Speaker 2: that speaks not just to others, but also to oneself.
Speaker 2: That's what the process of collaborating on his song did
Speaker 2: for Seth, that's what he says, and it do for others,
Speaker 2: And by staying on at creative Vets, he's hoping that
Speaker 2: he can carry that gift to people like Travis before
Speaker 2: the silence swallows them whole. When Seth came home from Iraq,
Speaker 2: he was trying to make sense of what he'd been through.
Speaker 2: The help that was offered came in the form of questions, structured, clinical,
Speaker 2: well intentioned. But for Seth this didn't help him find peace.
Speaker 1: Not really.
Speaker 5: Most of us have to go through the VA, and
Speaker 5: the VA wants to sit there and ask us questions,
Speaker 5: you know, and then we give him the answer and
Speaker 5: then they're like.
Speaker 1: How do you feel about that?
Speaker 5: It's like, I don't even know how I feel about
Speaker 5: you know, life in general, so asking me how I
Speaker 5: feel about this, I really can't give you an.
Speaker 1: Answer on that.
Speaker 2: But it created vets. Seth found a place to talk
Speaker 2: and now anytime he meets someone new, he doesn't have
Speaker 2: to answer questions or even say a word. He'll just
Speaker 2: play them his song.
Speaker 4: You don't get to choose your flesh and blood, how
Speaker 4: you raised or where your from.
Speaker 6: Sometime the cards you delity there so you puild your
Speaker 6: hands to the man upstairs when the way he's.
Speaker 4: Putting on he's just too much, and you.
Speaker 2: Can choose to let it break you down.
Speaker 1: If I have to turn your life.
Speaker 7: Around Crime the string in Inside the Rise Blood.
Speaker 2: Next time on Deep Cover, we dive into one of
Speaker 2: our biggest unresolved questions from the series. Did Sarah Kavanaugh
Speaker 2: have an accomplice?
Speaker 7: So there had to be other people involved. There absolutely
Speaker 7: had to be because I clearly remember at least two
Speaker 7: times when Ivy was on the phone there had to
Speaker 7: be another person.
Speaker 2: This episode was produced by Amy Gaines McQuaid, Tally Emmlin
Speaker 2: and Sonia Gerwit. It was edited by Karen Chakerjee. Our
Speaker 2: executive producer is Jacob Smith. Original music from Luis Gara,
Speaker 2: mastering by Sarah Bruguer. Special thanks to Jess Mchughe, Jake Flanagan,
Speaker 2: Sarah Nix, and Greta Con. Additional thanks to creat Events.
Speaker 2: I'm Jake Albert