Speaker 1: Pushkin Pushkin heads Up. This episode contains a reference to
Speaker 1: suicide and detailed descriptions of combat. Hey, it's Jake here.
Speaker 1: I hope you enjoyed the Truth about Sarah this season.
Speaker 1: There were so many interviews Jess and I did that
Speaker 1: we just couldn't fit in, but that really stayed with us,
Speaker 1: kind of looping in our heads. Some of them are
Speaker 1: pretty haunting, and we wanted to share a few of
Speaker 1: these with you. This first one involves that song that
Speaker 1: you heard about in the last episode of the series,
Speaker 1: the Country Ballad, the one that Sarah went to Nashville
Speaker 1: to help create eight. In this episode, we're going to
Speaker 1: show you how that song came to be and introduce
Speaker 1: you to one person in particular who helps veterans make
Speaker 1: these songs. His name is Seth Cole, and once upon
Speaker 1: a time, he was friends with Sarah Kevanaugh. Back in
Speaker 1: twenty nineteen, Sarah joined a songwriting program. It was run
Speaker 1: by Creative Vets, a nonprofit out of Nashville that helps
Speaker 1: veterans heal from trauma through music and art. You might
Speaker 1: remember the song that Sarah helped to create through that program.
Speaker 1: It was in our last episode a.
Speaker 2: Nassmell the Song of the sub Life and now ever again,
Speaker 2: how heavy the Silence was. Let's go back before the
Speaker 2: last year.
Speaker 1: Sarah actually helped write two songs in Nashville. The second
Speaker 1: is a kind of soul searching love ballad called still
Speaker 1: See Me. The lyrics, well, they're all about this woman
Speaker 1: who's lost her way in life. Here, have a listen.
Speaker 2: And find me.
Speaker 3: Things.
Speaker 4: Everything seen in the don make sense.
Speaker 2: I'm not used to scene you see.
Speaker 1: See, I'm not who I used to be and I
Speaker 1: can't find the me I've known. Yeah, it's almost like
Speaker 1: she was giving us a peek behind the curtain, hinting
Speaker 1: at the double life that she was leading and all
Speaker 1: the confusion and heartache that it caused.
Speaker 5: We all listened to her song and thought, oh, this
Speaker 5: is great, wonderful, you got some more healing. And then
Speaker 5: just to come find out, you know, it was all
Speaker 5: a lie. It was all just smoking hers.
Speaker 1: That's Seth Cole. He's the guy that I was telling
Speaker 1: you about. He works at Creative Vets. He's their veteran
Speaker 1: outreach coordinator and Seth he actually met Sarah back when
Speaker 1: she was living her double life as a wounded veteran. Well,
Speaker 1: Seth was happy for Sarah that she'd found some Catharsis.
Speaker 1: He told me that when you heard her song still
Speaker 1: see me, something about it just didn't seem right.
Speaker 5: I I couldn't put my finger on it, but I
Speaker 5: just didn't. I didn't believe the song. I did not
Speaker 5: believe this song, and that was that was the first
Speaker 5: thing that I had thought. But I was just like, oh, well,
Speaker 5: maybe you know, there are a few things in there
Speaker 5: that didn't make sense to me because a lot of
Speaker 5: the songs you can listen to and you can like,
Speaker 5: oh yeah, yeah, I could see that happening. But hers,
Speaker 5: it just it just had something to it. I didn't
Speaker 5: just wasn't connecting.
Speaker 1: When I interviewed Seth back in November, we talked for hours.
Speaker 1: I heard his whole story, and, like so much of
Speaker 1: what you've heard this season, that story it will once
Speaker 1: again change the way that you think about Sarah Cavanaugh.
Speaker 1: Welcome back to Deep Cover season six, The Truth about Sarah.
Speaker 1: This is Seth's story. Let me start by telling you
Speaker 1: how Seth found his way to create e Vets. He
Speaker 1: first joined as a participant, a veteran looking for something,
Speaker 1: anything that might help him find some solace. Then he
Speaker 1: volunteered and eventually he joined the staff. Now Seth's the
Speaker 1: guy you talk to when you reach out to creative vets.
Speaker 1: Veterans who call are sometimes shine and skeptical, but Seth,
Speaker 1: he's got a hell of an opening spiel.
Speaker 5: I just say, hey, I'll start out. My name is
Speaker 5: Seth Cole. I'm a veteran of the Iraq War. And
Speaker 5: I made it about six months into my deployment before
Speaker 5: I was hit with Martin nineteen grenade and that completely
Speaker 5: ended my career. I ended up going back to Walter
Speaker 5: Reed and I woke up in Ward fifty seven where
Speaker 5: they were talking about cutting my right arm off.
Speaker 1: You're just dropping all this on them.
Speaker 5: I'm just dropping all of it on them because I
Speaker 5: want them to do the same thing with me. I
Speaker 5: want them to reciprocate exactly what I just did. If
Speaker 5: they went through something so totally dark that it put
Speaker 5: him in that space of mine that you know I
Speaker 5: can't go further. I need them to tell me that,
Speaker 5: and so I tell my whole story.
Speaker 1: Seth's story, it has a rocky start. He grew up
Speaker 1: in Kansas in a small town called Stafford.
Speaker 5: I've went all the way through life, you know, pretty
Speaker 5: much five years old, didn't know a dad, didn't know
Speaker 5: anything about life. My mom said, my dad ran off.
Speaker 5: She brought another guy into my life at five. That
Speaker 5: was my stepdad. When I was fourteen, my mom and
Speaker 5: my stepdad got divorced and she decided that she wanted
Speaker 5: to marry a new guy, and that guy didn't want
Speaker 5: any kids. So at fourteen, I was kicked out of
Speaker 5: the house. You were fourteen at the time, Yeah, I was.
Speaker 5: I was fourteen. I've been living on my own since
Speaker 5: I was fourteen years old.
Speaker 1: And were you so?
Speaker 3: Were you?
Speaker 1: Were you going to school?
Speaker 5: I did up until about junior year, and then in
Speaker 5: junior year I just couldn't keep up with it anymore.
Speaker 5: It was either work or go to school. And so
Speaker 5: I was just I was tired of finding myself not
Speaker 5: being able to have water, not being able to have electricity,
Speaker 5: or not be able to have gas or you know.
Speaker 5: So I had to I had to figure something out,
Speaker 5: and I had to go get a better job.
Speaker 1: So Seth gets a job painting grain elevators. You know,
Speaker 1: those big metal towers pointed at the top. You see
Speaker 1: them scattered throughout the Midwest. Anyway, Seth painted those and
Speaker 1: he picked up other jobs wherever he could. He says
Speaker 1: he worked long hours, not much pay. He was stuck
Speaker 1: and he knew he needed a way out, a way forward.
Speaker 5: I was just like, Okay, what am I going to
Speaker 5: do with life? And how am I going to get
Speaker 5: out of the situation. So I went to the military
Speaker 5: and then the National Guard. It was like, yeah, we
Speaker 5: can get you in there. We'll ship you out in
Speaker 5: about May, and.
Speaker 3: That was that.
Speaker 1: Seth was now a member of the US military. After
Speaker 1: some training, he was sent overseas in two thousand and seven.
Speaker 5: So I got deployed to Mamada Iraq. I saw a
Speaker 5: lot of things that I probably didn't want to, you know,
Speaker 5: that very first week, and then after that it was
Speaker 5: just like downhill, you know, everything from dead camels to
Speaker 5: dead humans.
Speaker 1: Seth says that from the start it was chaos, just
Speaker 1: one thing after another, and it didn't let up.
Speaker 5: Every day from that point on was either a mortar
Speaker 5: attack or a rocket attack or some sort of crazy
Speaker 5: thing that happened. We had mass casualty come in and
Speaker 5: everybody was being run out by journeys and I'm probably
Speaker 5: one hundred yards away looking at this. We were in
Speaker 5: one of the worst areas in Iraq, and it showed.
Speaker 1: One day, Seth was given an assignment to set up
Speaker 1: a radar system in between two villages. Seth was with
Speaker 1: his buddy, another soldier. Someone took a shot at them
Speaker 1: from behind a tree line. The bullet hit the sandbag
Speaker 1: in front of him. His buddy, who was holding this
Speaker 1: Mark nineteen grenade launcher, jerked it down into his lap
Speaker 1: and it was an old piece of gear no safety.
Speaker 1: The trigger depressed, it fired, The round hit a wall,
Speaker 1: ricocheted and exploded three feet from Seth's face.
Speaker 5: As I just, you know, thought about it for a second,
Speaker 5: I had dropped a piece of brain out of my head,
Speaker 5: which I thought was a clot. I picked it up
Speaker 5: just to you know, just to make sure, and it
Speaker 5: was a piece of brain, and I was like, oh
Speaker 5: my god, this is not good. At that point, I
Speaker 5: was just like, oh, oh crap, I'm dead. And so
Speaker 5: I passed out and I was in and out of consciousness.
Speaker 5: They did like the triage and Baghdad they did a
Speaker 5: surgery and ballade and then I woke up in.
Speaker 1: ICU and Walter Reid Seth suffered a traumatic brain injury.
Speaker 1: He spent three and a half months recovering at Walter Reid,
Speaker 1: then another year and a half at a hospital in
Speaker 1: Fort Riley, Kansas. Once he was stable, he moved to
Speaker 1: Washington State and tried to start over. He enrolled in
Speaker 1: college in a clinical psychology program, but then the seizures
Speaker 1: started bad ones. He had to drop out. He couldn't drive,
Speaker 1: he couldn't work. He told me he felt completely cut
Speaker 1: off alone and things got dark, so dark he thought
Speaker 1: about ending his life. Then in twenty sixteen, almost a
Speaker 1: decade after his time in Iraq, he got a lifeline the.
Speaker 5: What a War Of Project. They reached out to me
Speaker 5: and they said, hey, we want to put you into
Speaker 5: this program called the Independence Program. And it's a lifelong
Speaker 5: deal where we follow you throughout life and we, you know,
Speaker 5: help you with services. Help you get a CSS, which
Speaker 5: is community support specialist more or less just a caregiver
Speaker 5: to help you clean your house, take you to appointments
Speaker 5: to you know, because at one point, with all those seizers,
Speaker 5: I couldn't drive.
Speaker 1: All of a sudden, Seth had the support that he
Speaker 1: desperately needed. He got all kinds of help from Wounded Warrior,
Speaker 1: including retreats where he could connect with other veterans.
Speaker 5: One of the things that they had though for this
Speaker 5: saying was a financial summit to kind of teach you
Speaker 5: how to balance a budget, keep savings, to you know,
Speaker 5: play with the stock market if that's what you want
Speaker 5: to do. And that's where Sarah, Russell, Travis and I all.
Speaker 1: Met Sarah as in Sarah Kevanaugh. At the time, Sarah
Speaker 1: was also enrolled in the Wounded Warrior Independence Program. She
Speaker 1: even had someone helping her at home with daily tasks.
Speaker 1: At that retreat, Seth formed deep connections with the people
Speaker 1: that he met. There was Russ the Salt of the Earth,
Speaker 1: former Green Beret. There was Travis from Detroit who was
Speaker 1: a double amputee, and then of course there was Sarah.
Speaker 1: Seth told us that he heard stories from Sarah about
Speaker 1: her service. Stories you may recognize by now.
Speaker 5: She said she went to Afghanistan, she ended up having
Speaker 5: a ide go off pretty much right beside her and
Speaker 5: broke it, shattered her hips.
Speaker 1: Seth remembers the first time that he saw Sarah standing
Speaker 1: in the hotel lobby mingling with the other vets.
Speaker 5: She was She was outgoing. That that was the biggest thing,
Speaker 5: Like she was talking to everybody and she was out going.
Speaker 4: She she definitely.
Speaker 5: Struck an interest because I wanted I wanted that bug
Speaker 5: that she had, if she was able to go through
Speaker 5: all the crap that she said she was and.
Speaker 4: Be able to be that bubbly.
Speaker 5: I wanted that bug because I wanted to be able
Speaker 5: to get back to being a social butterfly. And so
Speaker 5: I just kind of gravitated towards that. And I guess
Speaker 5: that you know, Travis and Russ both saw the same thing.
Speaker 5: It organically kicked off. We hung out with each other
Speaker 5: the whole time.
Speaker 1: This is something that we've seen before. Sarah shows up
Speaker 1: at these events surrounded by real vets, many of them struggling,
Speaker 1: and somehow she just fits right in. She finds unity,
Speaker 1: She blends, she bonds. She knows how to connect in
Speaker 1: these small group settings where people can often be guarded
Speaker 1: but also quietly yearning for connection, and she doesn't overplay it.
Speaker 1: A sore hip here, bad back there, nothing wild, at
Speaker 1: least not at first, nothing that sets off alarms, just
Speaker 1: enough to pass as one of them.
Speaker 5: Every once in a while she'd be like, oh my hips,
Speaker 5: are tired, and so Ress had picked her up and
Speaker 5: give her a piggyback ride, and she was blaming that
Speaker 5: on oh my hips are killing me, and my back's curtain.
Speaker 5: I've got so many metal rods in my body, you know.
Speaker 5: And so I mean, it was just like the normal
Speaker 5: stuff that if somebody had been through an ID or
Speaker 5: somebody'd been through a traumatic incident, you know that you know,
Speaker 5: really hurt their body. That that was the kind of
Speaker 5: stuff that she was portraying. You know, it was just like, Okay, yeah,
Speaker 5: you're pretty messed up, just like the rest of us.
Speaker 5: You know, we got Travis who's a double amputee, wheeling
Speaker 5: beside us.
Speaker 1: After the retreat, this new group of friends continued to
Speaker 1: swap advice, share what they learned about how to navigate
Speaker 1: the system and make the most of the resources available
Speaker 1: to veterans and get this, It was actually Sarah who
Speaker 1: first told them about Creative Vets, the program that helps
Speaker 1: veterans make songs about their life, and there was another
Speaker 1: program that Creative Vets ran also where veterans could create
Speaker 1: artwork like paintings. Sarah, she passed this info along Seth
Speaker 1: eventually signed up kind of half convinced and he got
Speaker 1: accepted into one of Creativet's art programs. At the time,
Speaker 1: he didn't know what impact it would have. He just
Speaker 1: knew he was in a dark place, really dark.
Speaker 5: So before that, I had been planning on just going
Speaker 5: and saying goodbye to to Russ and you know, even
Speaker 5: Sarah at that time, and just kind of coming back
Speaker 5: and eating a bullet. I had been thinking about it
Speaker 5: for a very long time. I had a spot picked out,
Speaker 5: you know, so that was what it was gonna be.
Speaker 1: But fortunately something got in between him and that bullet.
Speaker 1: That date he'd made on the calendar to attend to
Speaker 1: the Creative Vet's Retreat. It was an art program held
Speaker 1: in the campus of USC in Los Angeles. He spent
Speaker 1: two weeks there. Russ and Sarah went with him. The
Speaker 1: three of them hung out and explored the city, Venice Beach, Malibu,
Speaker 1: the Santa Monica Pier in class set it his artwork,
Speaker 1: and he made a piece called Dinner Before Disaster. It
Speaker 1: was his way of telling the story of what had
Speaker 1: happened to him in Iraq. The title comes from that
Speaker 1: moment just before the grenade exploded, when he'd been eating
Speaker 1: a meal. He welded a metal brain and he set
Speaker 1: it next to a ceramic bowl. Then he cut a
Speaker 1: chunk out of that brain to show the part that
Speaker 1: was lost and the scattered sand all around it. For Seth,
Speaker 1: making this was so cathartic and it brought him a
Speaker 1: realization about the power of creating art.
Speaker 5: I went out there and in the in the time
Speaker 5: that I was out there doing all that stuff, a
Speaker 5: light bulb hit and I was like, Man, I could
Speaker 5: share this with everybody, and this could actually help them
Speaker 5: to get through some of these traumas. And so when
Speaker 5: I when I got done with the program, instead of
Speaker 5: going and eating that bullet, I went back and threw
Speaker 5: myself into the VA and the volunteer side. And so
Speaker 5: you know that that was my my life changing moment.
Speaker 5: It just it put a new sense of purpose into me.
Speaker 1: We'll be right back. After his time in Los Angeles
Speaker 1: at the art retreat, Seth did okay for a while.
Speaker 1: Then COVID hit and Seth, like so many of us,
Speaker 1: struggled with the shutdowns and the isolation. Then he got
Speaker 1: a call from the executive director of Creative Vets asking
Speaker 1: him if he wanted to participate in a songwriting program
Speaker 1: over zoom.
Speaker 5: Everybody was, you know, sitting in their house and I
Speaker 5: was getting back to that spot again, you know. But
Speaker 5: I was like, Okay, there's something that's going to happen.
Speaker 5: And Richard called and he was like, Hey, we're going
Speaker 5: to do a virtual song right since we can't bring
Speaker 5: everybody out to Nashville. Would you be up for that?
Speaker 5: I said, yeah, why not.
Speaker 1: Seth was not a musician, but because the whole art
Speaker 1: retreat in Los Angeles had gone so well, he figured,
Speaker 1: let me give this a try. Seth was assigned a
Speaker 1: mentor and a songwriter who listened carefully to his story.
Speaker 5: They asked me, you know, what do you have on
Speaker 5: your mind? And I was like, look, I'm interested in
Speaker 5: being able to take pretty much my whole life, you know,
Speaker 5: and put it into here and then that way that
Speaker 5: I can just put all that Tromotte behind me. And
Speaker 5: they were like, okay, yeah, let's do that. And so
Speaker 5: I started pretty much from the beginning where I did
Speaker 5: with you, and I went all the way through everything.
Speaker 5: This took like six hours or more just to be
Speaker 5: able to get everything done and on you know, that
Speaker 5: piece of paper. And by the time we were all
Speaker 5: said and done. They had the melody, the song, the lyrics,
Speaker 5: all that stuff put together, and we took it over
Speaker 5: the studio the next day and put it down on track.
Speaker 1: For years, Seth carried the weight of his story without
Speaker 1: a place to set it down. But here, through this
Speaker 1: songwriting program, he found the space and the courage to
Speaker 1: lay it all out. Trauma, memory, truth, all transformed into melody.
Speaker 1: What had once felt unspeakable was now a song.
Speaker 5: You know, just such an amazing experience come out of there,
Speaker 5: even being virtual. When I got off the computer, I
Speaker 5: was so happy and elated and just ready to go.
Speaker 1: And the song, it was something that he could share.
Speaker 5: You've been able to put this out and get things
Speaker 5: you know on paper that you know you don't ever
Speaker 5: have to talk about again. Now you can pass this
Speaker 5: song over to somebody and that I'll explain your story
Speaker 5: for you.
Speaker 1: What was it like the first time you heard this song,
Speaker 1: Like it's an actual song with music and someone singing it.
Speaker 5: Oh my gosh, it was like goosebumps everywhere, Like that
Speaker 5: was my story to come into life, and it actually
Speaker 5: made an impact on not only me but the people
Speaker 5: around me, because every time that I shared that song.
Speaker 5: Every time that I sang that song, every time that
Speaker 5: I've played it, it was just someone came up with
Speaker 5: something new to say about.
Speaker 1: Well do you sing? Can you sing a lyric a
Speaker 1: line for me? Are you not a singer?
Speaker 5: I do sing? Give us a line?
Speaker 4: Then all right. You don't get to choose your flesh
Speaker 4: shan blood hell you raised away you're from Sometimes it
Speaker 4: cause your dell tane fancy fold your hands to the
Speaker 4: man upstairs when the way he's putting on is just
Speaker 4: too much. You can choose a lit break you down,
Speaker 4: fine to keep you alive around fine with siy to
Speaker 4: rise a bug.
Speaker 5: Man. Yeah, that song gets me every time anyway, So
Speaker 5: sorry for that. On warm up singing No You're Good
Speaker 5: debut at the opry, I've had a couple of times
Speaker 5: we've been on the field of the Titans game. We've
Speaker 5: been gosh where else.
Speaker 1: It played on the field of the Titans game.
Speaker 3: Ladies and gentlemen, here to before Seth's song, Rise up, Bob,
Speaker 3: please put your hands together for correct pampble. Some people
Speaker 3: have a picture perfect childhood with the house of home.
Speaker 2: Know you.
Speaker 1: Seth told me about this moment standing in the Titans
Speaker 1: stadium before tens of thousands of fans, and these musicians
Speaker 1: are performing his songs, belting out the words to his
Speaker 1: story like an anthem of hardship and resilience. People are cheering,
Speaker 1: and then, in a scene that could probably only happen
Speaker 1: in America, they offer Seth one final tribute.
Speaker 2: Seth, thank you so much.
Speaker 3: You've given so much to your country. Now as a
Speaker 3: single father of five, you're giving so much to these kids.
Speaker 3: And how about a twenty twenty four Nissan pathfind.
Speaker 5: Are planning, madician, so you can get these kids into school.
Speaker 3: We love a brother.
Speaker 4: More time was that no ladies and gentlemen, my.
Speaker 5: Kids and I were all standing out there, and it
Speaker 5: was just one of the most emotional moments in my life.
Speaker 5: It was really one of those experiences I can't put
Speaker 5: into words. It's just all emotion.
Speaker 1: Even though Seth has found some healing and community creative vets,
Speaker 1: it still hasn't been an easy path for him. His
Speaker 1: friend Travis, the one from Detroit, who was a double amputee,
Speaker 1: he passed away in twenty twenty one. His memory stays
Speaker 1: with Seth and it still kind of tears him up
Speaker 1: that he couldn't have done more to help this friend
Speaker 1: and fellow veteran.
Speaker 5: I had just talked to him the month before, and
Speaker 5: he was doing good. He was learning language, he was
Speaker 5: you know, he had a plan for life. And you know,
Speaker 5: something happened that week that you know, just completely threw
Speaker 5: him back into that spiral and so he went back
Speaker 5: to go find pain relief and found death instead.
Speaker 1: Seth told us that Travis never applied to a program
Speaker 1: with Creative vets, but he really wishes that he had.
Speaker 1: Whether or not it would have helped, it's impossible to say,
Speaker 1: but he can't help but wonder what it might have
Speaker 1: done for Travis.
Speaker 5: He was trying to find those tools. Every time that
Speaker 5: we talked, it was you know, I'm doing this, I'm
Speaker 5: doing that, you know, And he was trying to find
Speaker 5: the one thing that's going to help him to be
Speaker 5: able to get out of that hole, and he didn't
Speaker 5: find it. So knowing that it really leaves a burden
Speaker 5: on my heart for him.
Speaker 1: This lost opportunity underscores what Sarah stole a spot that
Speaker 1: somebody else could have taken.
Speaker 4: We're a very.
Speaker 5: Small organization, so being able to do large groups is
Speaker 5: not something that we're tailored for We're for that small, intimate,
Speaker 5: you know, session, and we can only help so many
Speaker 5: veterans a year, and to have one that comes through
Speaker 5: the program multiple times that happens to not be a
Speaker 5: veteran really takes away from those that could have been
Speaker 5: able to get in here and do something with their
Speaker 5: life and turn it around.
Speaker 1: For Seth, these Creative VET retreats, they're not just a perk,
Speaker 1: not just a nod to the hardship. Veterans have endured
Speaker 1: their chance to make sense of that hardship, to embrace it,
Speaker 1: to find meaning in it, to take something jagged and raw,
Speaker 1: and through the alchemy of music, shape it into something
Speaker 1: that speaks not just to others, but also to oneself.
Speaker 1: That's what the process of collaborating on his song did
Speaker 1: for Seth, That's what he's seen it do for others.
Speaker 1: And by staying on at Creative Vets, he's hoping that
Speaker 1: he can carry that gift to people like Travis before
Speaker 1: the silence swallows them whole. When Seth came home from Iraq,
Speaker 1: he was trying to make sense of what he'd been through.
Speaker 1: Help that was offered came in the form of questions,
Speaker 1: structured clinical, well intentioned, but for Seth this didn't help
Speaker 1: him find peace. Not really.
Speaker 5: Most of us have to go through the VA, and
Speaker 5: the VA wants to sit there and ask us questions,
Speaker 5: you know, and then we give them the answer and
Speaker 5: then they're like, how do you feel about that? It's like,
Speaker 5: I don't even know how I feel about you know,
Speaker 5: life in general, so asking me how I feel about this,
Speaker 5: I really can't give you an answer on that.
Speaker 1: But it creative vets. Seth found a place to talk,
Speaker 1: and now anytime he meets someone new, he doesn't have
Speaker 1: to answer questions or even say a word. He'll just
Speaker 1: play them his song.
Speaker 3: You don't get to choose your plesh Blood, how you
Speaker 3: raised awhere your firm sometime the car rginality there, so
Speaker 3: you pulled your hands to the man upstairs when the
Speaker 3: way he's putting on he's just too much, and you
Speaker 3: can choose.
Speaker 4: To let it break you down.
Speaker 3: If I had to turn your life around, Crime, the Stream,
Speaker 3: the Inside.
Speaker 5: The Risible.
Speaker 1: Next time on Deep Cover, we dive into one of
Speaker 1: our biggest unresolved questions from the series. Did Sarah Cavanaugh
Speaker 1: have an accomplice?
Speaker 4: So there had to be other people involved? There absolutely
Speaker 4: had to be because I.
Speaker 3: Clearly remember at least two times when Ivy was on
Speaker 3: the phone, there had to be another person.
Speaker 1: This episode was produced by Amy Gains McQuaid, tali Emmlin
Speaker 1: and Sonya Gurwit.
Speaker 5: It was edited by.
Speaker 1: Karen and Chakerji. Our executive producer is Jacob Smith. Original
Speaker 1: music from Luis Gara, mastering by Sarah Bruguer. Special thanks
Speaker 1: to Jess Mchughe, Jake Flanagan, Sarah Nix and Gretacone. Additional
Speaker 1: thanks to Creativents. I'm Jake Albert