1 00:00:15,356 --> 00:00:15,836 Speaker 1: Pushkin. 2 00:00:19,356 --> 00:00:22,876 Speaker 2: Hey, it's Jake. I hope you enjoyed our season The 3 00:00:22,916 --> 00:00:26,876 Speaker 2: Truth about Sarah. We'll be having a live event later 4 00:00:26,956 --> 00:00:30,076 Speaker 2: this year. It's going to be a conversation between me 5 00:00:30,636 --> 00:00:33,956 Speaker 2: and my co host Jess McHugh, and we want to 6 00:00:33,996 --> 00:00:37,636 Speaker 2: hear from you too. What questions do you have for 7 00:00:37,756 --> 00:00:41,876 Speaker 2: us about this season? Send your questions to deep Cover 8 00:00:42,156 --> 00:00:46,036 Speaker 2: at pushkin dot fm. That's deep Cover All one word 9 00:00:46,356 --> 00:00:50,436 Speaker 2: at Pushkin dot fm, and stay tuned for more details 10 00:00:50,716 --> 00:00:55,436 Speaker 2: on this event. Heads up. This episode contains a reference 11 00:00:55,476 --> 00:01:02,116 Speaker 2: to suicide and detailed descriptions of combat. Hey, it's Jake here. 12 00:01:02,716 --> 00:01:06,396 Speaker 2: I hope you enjoyed The Truth about Sarah this season. 13 00:01:06,996 --> 00:01:09,876 Speaker 2: There were so many interviews Jess and I did that 14 00:01:09,956 --> 00:01:13,636 Speaker 2: we just couldn't fit in, but that really stayed with us, 15 00:01:14,316 --> 00:01:17,116 Speaker 2: kind of looping in our heads. Some of them are 16 00:01:17,156 --> 00:01:20,236 Speaker 2: pretty haunting, and we wanted to share a few of 17 00:01:20,276 --> 00:01:24,356 Speaker 2: these with you. This first one involves that song that 18 00:01:24,396 --> 00:01:26,756 Speaker 2: you heard about in the last episode of the series, 19 00:01:27,396 --> 00:01:30,716 Speaker 2: the Country Ballad, the one that Sarah went to Nashville 20 00:01:30,756 --> 00:01:34,676 Speaker 2: to help create. In this episode, we're going to show 21 00:01:34,716 --> 00:01:37,876 Speaker 2: you how that song came to be and introduce you 22 00:01:37,996 --> 00:01:42,676 Speaker 2: to one person in particular who helps veterans make these songs. 23 00:01:43,436 --> 00:01:47,396 Speaker 2: His name is Seth Cole, and once upon a time 24 00:01:48,396 --> 00:01:53,836 Speaker 2: he was friends with Sarah Kevanaugh. Back in twenty nineteen, 25 00:01:54,436 --> 00:01:58,996 Speaker 2: Sarah joined a songwriting program. It was run by Creative Vets, 26 00:01:59,476 --> 00:02:03,076 Speaker 2: a nonprofit out of Nashville that helps veterans heal from 27 00:02:03,116 --> 00:02:07,596 Speaker 2: trauma through music and art. You might remember the song 28 00:02:07,636 --> 00:02:10,876 Speaker 2: that Sarah helped to create through that program. It was 29 00:02:10,876 --> 00:02:13,236 Speaker 2: in our last episode and. 30 00:02:13,316 --> 00:02:21,036 Speaker 3: Na smell the Soul a fields of Blood and down Ever, 31 00:02:21,476 --> 00:02:29,556 Speaker 3: lookgat how heavy the silence was. Let's go back before 32 00:02:29,756 --> 00:02:30,636 Speaker 3: the last ye. 33 00:02:30,876 --> 00:02:35,196 Speaker 2: Sarah actually helped write two songs in Nashville. The second 34 00:02:35,476 --> 00:02:39,236 Speaker 2: is a kind of soul searching love ballad called still 35 00:02:39,356 --> 00:02:42,996 Speaker 2: See Me. The lyrics, well, they're all about this woman 36 00:02:43,196 --> 00:02:46,276 Speaker 2: who's lost her way in life. Here, have a listen, 37 00:02:46,956 --> 00:02:56,036 Speaker 2: goods round down, can't find me, good things, I'm done everything, 38 00:02:57,196 --> 00:02:59,156 Speaker 2: scene on the darn. 39 00:02:59,876 --> 00:03:03,196 Speaker 4: Sense, I'm not res. 40 00:03:04,556 --> 00:03:14,436 Speaker 3: Scene fuste scene. 41 00:03:11,356 --> 00:03:15,196 Speaker 2: I'm not who I used to be, and I can't 42 00:03:15,236 --> 00:03:19,676 Speaker 2: find the me I've known. Yeah, it's almost like she 43 00:03:19,836 --> 00:03:23,196 Speaker 2: was giving us a peek behind the curtain, hinting at 44 00:03:23,236 --> 00:03:25,756 Speaker 2: the double life that she was leading and all the 45 00:03:25,836 --> 00:03:28,196 Speaker 2: confusion and heartache that it caused. 46 00:03:28,796 --> 00:03:30,676 Speaker 5: We all listened to her song and thought, oh, this 47 00:03:30,716 --> 00:03:33,316 Speaker 5: is great, you know, wonderful, you got some more healing, 48 00:03:33,996 --> 00:03:35,716 Speaker 5: and then just to come find out, you know, it 49 00:03:35,796 --> 00:03:38,436 Speaker 5: was all a lie. It was all just smoke and mirrors. 50 00:03:39,836 --> 00:03:42,476 Speaker 2: That's Seth Cole. He's the guy that I was telling 51 00:03:42,516 --> 00:03:46,356 Speaker 2: you about. He works at Creative Vets. He's their veteran 52 00:03:46,396 --> 00:03:51,916 Speaker 2: outreach coordinator, and Seth he actually met Sarah back when 53 00:03:51,916 --> 00:03:54,756 Speaker 2: she was living her double life as a wounded veteran. 54 00:03:55,396 --> 00:03:55,596 Speaker 1: Well. 55 00:03:55,676 --> 00:03:58,996 Speaker 2: Seth was happy for Sarah that she'd found some catharsis. 56 00:03:59,716 --> 00:04:02,476 Speaker 2: He told me that when you heard her song still 57 00:04:02,516 --> 00:04:06,356 Speaker 2: see me, something about it just didn't seem right. 58 00:04:07,876 --> 00:04:11,836 Speaker 5: I I couldn't put my finger on it, but I 59 00:04:12,036 --> 00:04:15,556 Speaker 5: just didn't. I didn't believe the song. I did not 60 00:04:15,676 --> 00:04:17,916 Speaker 5: believe this song that was That was the first thing 61 00:04:17,956 --> 00:04:19,876 Speaker 5: that I had thought. But I was just like, oh, well, 62 00:04:19,956 --> 00:04:22,196 Speaker 5: maybe you know, there are a few things in there 63 00:04:22,196 --> 00:04:23,716 Speaker 5: that didn't make sense to me because a lot of 64 00:04:23,756 --> 00:04:25,316 Speaker 5: the songs you can listen to and you can like, 65 00:04:25,356 --> 00:04:27,796 Speaker 5: oh yeah, yeah, I could see that happening, but hers, 66 00:04:27,796 --> 00:04:30,196 Speaker 5: it just it just had something to it. 67 00:04:30,276 --> 00:04:32,556 Speaker 1: I didn't. It just wasn't wasn't connecting. 68 00:04:34,116 --> 00:04:37,556 Speaker 2: When I interviewed Seth back in November, we talked for hours. 69 00:04:38,596 --> 00:04:43,556 Speaker 2: I heard his whole story, and, like so much of 70 00:04:43,596 --> 00:04:47,436 Speaker 2: what you've heard this season, that story it will once 71 00:04:47,476 --> 00:04:50,756 Speaker 2: again change the way that you think about Sarah Kavanaugh. 72 00:04:56,156 --> 00:05:01,076 Speaker 2: Welcome back to Deep Cover Season six, The Truth about Sarah. 73 00:05:01,116 --> 00:05:25,956 Speaker 2: This is Seth's story. Let me start by telling you 74 00:05:26,236 --> 00:05:29,716 Speaker 2: how Seth found his way to Creative Vets. He first 75 00:05:29,796 --> 00:05:33,756 Speaker 2: joined as a participant, a veteran looking for something, anything 76 00:05:33,836 --> 00:05:37,636 Speaker 2: that might help him find some solace. Then he volunteered, 77 00:05:37,956 --> 00:05:42,276 Speaker 2: and eventually he joined the staff. Now Seth's the guy 78 00:05:42,356 --> 00:05:45,236 Speaker 2: you talk to when you reach out to Creative Vets. 79 00:05:45,876 --> 00:05:50,356 Speaker 2: Veterans who call are sometimes shy and skeptical, but Seth, 80 00:05:51,116 --> 00:05:52,796 Speaker 2: he's got a hell of an opening spiel. 81 00:05:53,636 --> 00:05:55,556 Speaker 1: I just say hey. I'll start out. 82 00:05:55,556 --> 00:05:57,636 Speaker 5: My name is Seth Cole. I'm a veteran of the 83 00:05:57,676 --> 00:06:00,396 Speaker 5: Iraq War, and I made it about six months into 84 00:06:00,396 --> 00:06:03,116 Speaker 5: my deployment before I was hit with Martin nineteen grenade 85 00:06:03,756 --> 00:06:06,636 Speaker 5: and that completely ended my career. I ended up going 86 00:06:06,676 --> 00:06:09,636 Speaker 5: back to Walter Reed and I woke up and fifty 87 00:06:09,676 --> 00:06:11,956 Speaker 5: seven where they were talking about cutting my right arm off. 88 00:06:12,116 --> 00:06:13,956 Speaker 1: You're just dropping all this on them. 89 00:06:14,236 --> 00:06:16,076 Speaker 5: I'm just dropping all of it on them because I 90 00:06:16,116 --> 00:06:18,516 Speaker 5: want them to do the same thing with me. I 91 00:06:18,556 --> 00:06:21,436 Speaker 5: want them to reciprocate exactly what I just did. If 92 00:06:21,476 --> 00:06:24,116 Speaker 5: they went through something so totally dark that it put 93 00:06:24,196 --> 00:06:26,756 Speaker 5: him in that space of mine that you know, I 94 00:06:26,796 --> 00:06:29,276 Speaker 5: can't go further. I need them to tell me that, 95 00:06:29,316 --> 00:06:30,876 Speaker 5: and so I tell my whole story. 96 00:06:31,836 --> 00:06:35,676 Speaker 2: Seth's story it has a rocky start. He grew up 97 00:06:35,676 --> 00:06:38,596 Speaker 2: in Kansas in a small town called Stafford. 98 00:06:39,956 --> 00:06:43,636 Speaker 5: I've went all the way through life, you know, pretty 99 00:06:43,676 --> 00:06:47,196 Speaker 5: much five years old, didn't know a dad, didn't know 100 00:06:47,276 --> 00:06:49,756 Speaker 5: anything about life. My mom said, my dad ran off. 101 00:06:50,116 --> 00:06:52,516 Speaker 5: She brought another guy into my life at five. That 102 00:06:52,676 --> 00:06:56,196 Speaker 5: was my stepdad. When I was fourteen, my mom and 103 00:06:56,316 --> 00:07:00,916 Speaker 5: my stepdad got divorced and she decided that she wanted 104 00:07:00,956 --> 00:07:02,996 Speaker 5: to marry a new guy, and that guy didn't want 105 00:07:02,996 --> 00:07:05,516 Speaker 5: any kids. So at fourteen, I was kicked out of 106 00:07:05,556 --> 00:07:08,556 Speaker 5: the house. You were fourteen at the time, Yeah, I 107 00:07:08,636 --> 00:07:10,996 Speaker 5: was fourteen. I've been living on my own since I 108 00:07:11,036 --> 00:07:11,956 Speaker 5: was fourteen years old. 109 00:07:12,276 --> 00:07:15,196 Speaker 1: And were you so? Were you? Were you going to school? 110 00:07:15,476 --> 00:07:15,756 Speaker 3: I did? 111 00:07:15,916 --> 00:07:18,596 Speaker 5: I did up until about junior year, and then in 112 00:07:18,716 --> 00:07:21,076 Speaker 5: junior year, I just couldn't keep up with it anymore. 113 00:07:21,076 --> 00:07:25,356 Speaker 5: It was either work or go to school. And so 114 00:07:25,516 --> 00:07:28,156 Speaker 5: I was just I was tired of finding myself not 115 00:07:28,276 --> 00:07:30,876 Speaker 5: being able to have water, not being able to have electricity, 116 00:07:30,956 --> 00:07:33,116 Speaker 5: or not being able to have gas or you know. 117 00:07:33,196 --> 00:07:34,116 Speaker 1: So I had to I had to. 118 00:07:34,036 --> 00:07:35,396 Speaker 5: Figure something out, and I had to go get a 119 00:07:35,396 --> 00:07:35,876 Speaker 5: better job. 120 00:07:37,156 --> 00:07:41,036 Speaker 2: So Seth gets a job painting grain elevators. You know 121 00:07:41,276 --> 00:07:44,236 Speaker 2: those big metal towers pointed at the top. You see 122 00:07:44,236 --> 00:07:49,116 Speaker 2: them scattered throughout the Midwest. Anyway, Seth painted those and 123 00:07:49,636 --> 00:07:52,316 Speaker 2: he picked up other jobs wherever he could. He says 124 00:07:52,436 --> 00:07:55,996 Speaker 2: he worked long hours, not much pay. He was stuck, 125 00:07:56,516 --> 00:07:59,356 Speaker 2: and he knew he needed a way out, a way forward. 126 00:08:00,116 --> 00:08:01,556 Speaker 5: I was just like, Okay, what am I going to 127 00:08:01,556 --> 00:08:02,916 Speaker 5: do with life? And how am I going to get 128 00:08:02,916 --> 00:08:04,876 Speaker 5: out of the situation. So I went to the military, 129 00:08:04,956 --> 00:08:06,556 Speaker 5: then the National Guard. It was like, yeah, we can 130 00:08:06,556 --> 00:08:09,596 Speaker 5: get you in there. We'll ship you out in about May, and. 131 00:08:09,676 --> 00:08:10,596 Speaker 1: That was that. 132 00:08:11,156 --> 00:08:14,316 Speaker 2: Seth was now a member of the US military. After 133 00:08:14,396 --> 00:08:17,876 Speaker 2: some training, he was sent overseas in two thousand and seven. 134 00:08:18,756 --> 00:08:22,796 Speaker 5: So I got deployed to Mamadia Iraq. I saw a 135 00:08:22,836 --> 00:08:25,676 Speaker 5: lot of things that I probably didn't want to, you know, 136 00:08:25,756 --> 00:08:28,516 Speaker 5: that very first week, and then after that it was 137 00:08:28,596 --> 00:08:33,076 Speaker 5: just like downhill, you know, everything from dead camels to 138 00:08:33,756 --> 00:08:34,476 Speaker 5: dead humans. 139 00:08:35,156 --> 00:08:39,236 Speaker 2: Seth says that from the start it was chaos, just 140 00:08:39,436 --> 00:08:42,196 Speaker 2: one thing after another, and it didn't let up. 141 00:08:42,836 --> 00:08:45,396 Speaker 5: Every day from that point on was either a mortar 142 00:08:45,436 --> 00:08:48,476 Speaker 5: attack or a rocket attack, or you know, some sort 143 00:08:48,516 --> 00:08:51,676 Speaker 5: of crazy thing that happened. We had mass casualty come 144 00:08:51,756 --> 00:08:55,636 Speaker 5: in and everybody was being run out by gurneys and 145 00:08:55,876 --> 00:08:58,076 Speaker 5: I'm probably one hundred yards away looking at this. We 146 00:08:58,076 --> 00:09:00,636 Speaker 5: were in one of the worst areas in Iraq, and 147 00:09:00,956 --> 00:09:01,476 Speaker 5: it showed. 148 00:09:02,876 --> 00:09:06,116 Speaker 2: One day, Seth was given an assignment to set up 149 00:09:06,116 --> 00:09:10,356 Speaker 2: a radar system in between two villages. Seth was with 150 00:09:10,436 --> 00:09:13,796 Speaker 2: his buddy, another soldier. Someone took a shot at them 151 00:09:13,996 --> 00:09:17,356 Speaker 2: from behind a tree line. The bullet hit the sandbag 152 00:09:17,356 --> 00:09:20,036 Speaker 2: in front of him. His buddy, who was holding this 153 00:09:20,156 --> 00:09:23,676 Speaker 2: Mark nineteen grenade launcher, jerked it down into his lap 154 00:09:24,236 --> 00:09:26,756 Speaker 2: and it was an old piece of gear no safety. 155 00:09:27,316 --> 00:09:31,796 Speaker 2: The trigger depressed it fired, The round hit a wall, 156 00:09:32,236 --> 00:09:36,596 Speaker 2: ricocheted and exploded three feet from Seth's face. 157 00:09:37,676 --> 00:09:40,276 Speaker 5: As I just thought about it for a second. I 158 00:09:40,676 --> 00:09:43,356 Speaker 5: had dropped a piece of brain out of my head, 159 00:09:43,756 --> 00:09:45,716 Speaker 5: which I thought was a clot. I picked it up 160 00:09:45,916 --> 00:09:48,116 Speaker 5: just to, you know, just to make sure, and it 161 00:09:48,316 --> 00:09:49,756 Speaker 5: was a piece of brain, and I was like, oh 162 00:09:49,756 --> 00:09:52,156 Speaker 5: my god, this is not good. At that point, I 163 00:09:52,236 --> 00:09:56,436 Speaker 5: was just like, oh, oh crap, I'm dead. And so 164 00:09:56,516 --> 00:09:58,996 Speaker 5: I passed out and I was in and out of consciousness. 165 00:09:59,116 --> 00:10:02,596 Speaker 5: They did like the triage and bagdad. They did a 166 00:10:02,676 --> 00:10:06,236 Speaker 5: surgery and ballade and then I woke up and ic 167 00:10:06,436 --> 00:10:08,036 Speaker 5: you and Walter read. 168 00:10:09,236 --> 00:10:13,156 Speaker 2: Seth suffered a traumatic brain injury. He spent three and 169 00:10:13,156 --> 00:10:17,156 Speaker 2: a half months recovering at Walter Reid, then another year 170 00:10:17,196 --> 00:10:20,476 Speaker 2: and a half at a hospital in Fort Riley, Kansas. 171 00:10:21,396 --> 00:10:24,556 Speaker 2: Once he was stable, he moved to Washington State and 172 00:10:24,756 --> 00:10:28,036 Speaker 2: tried to start over. He enrolled in college in a 173 00:10:28,036 --> 00:10:33,596 Speaker 2: clinical psychology program, but then the seizures started bad ones. 174 00:10:33,996 --> 00:10:37,556 Speaker 2: He had to drop out. He couldn't drive, he couldn't work. 175 00:10:38,436 --> 00:10:43,116 Speaker 2: He told me he felt completely cut off alone, and 176 00:10:43,196 --> 00:10:48,956 Speaker 2: things got dark, so dark he thought about ending his life. Then, 177 00:10:49,196 --> 00:10:53,836 Speaker 2: in twenty sixteen, almost a decade after his time in Iraq, 178 00:10:54,756 --> 00:10:56,276 Speaker 2: he got a lifeline. 179 00:10:56,316 --> 00:11:00,596 Speaker 5: The What A Way of Project. They reached out to 180 00:11:00,636 --> 00:11:02,236 Speaker 5: me and they said, hey, we want to put you 181 00:11:02,276 --> 00:11:06,236 Speaker 5: into this program called the Independence Program, and it's a 182 00:11:06,276 --> 00:11:09,396 Speaker 5: lifelong deal where we follow you throughout life and I'll 183 00:11:09,556 --> 00:11:12,036 Speaker 5: help you with services. Help you get a CSS, which 184 00:11:12,076 --> 00:11:15,316 Speaker 5: is community support specialist more or less just a caregiver 185 00:11:15,396 --> 00:11:18,956 Speaker 5: to help you clean your house, take you to appointments. 186 00:11:19,156 --> 00:11:21,636 Speaker 5: Do you know, because at one point, with all those seiters, 187 00:11:21,636 --> 00:11:22,356 Speaker 5: I couldn't drive. 188 00:11:23,396 --> 00:11:25,556 Speaker 2: All of a sudden, Seth had the support that he 189 00:11:25,636 --> 00:11:29,316 Speaker 2: desperately needed. He got all kinds of help from Wounded Warrior, 190 00:11:29,996 --> 00:11:33,716 Speaker 2: including retreats where he could connect with other veterans. 191 00:11:34,476 --> 00:11:36,236 Speaker 5: One of the things that they had though for this, 192 00:11:36,396 --> 00:11:38,996 Speaker 5: saying was a financial summit to kind of teach you 193 00:11:39,036 --> 00:11:43,716 Speaker 5: how to balance the budget, keep savings, to you know, 194 00:11:44,436 --> 00:11:46,236 Speaker 5: play with the stock market if that's what you want 195 00:11:46,236 --> 00:11:49,836 Speaker 5: to do. And that's where Sarah Russell, Travis and. 196 00:11:49,796 --> 00:11:55,476 Speaker 2: I all met Sarah as in Sarah Kavanaugh. At the time, 197 00:11:55,876 --> 00:11:59,516 Speaker 2: Sarah was also enrolled in the Wounded Warrior Independence Program. 198 00:12:00,356 --> 00:12:03,636 Speaker 2: She even had someone helping her at home with daily tasks. 199 00:12:04,476 --> 00:12:07,716 Speaker 2: At that retreat, Seth formed deep connections with the people 200 00:12:07,756 --> 00:12:10,436 Speaker 2: that he met there was Russ the Salt of the 201 00:12:10,476 --> 00:12:14,716 Speaker 2: Earth former Green Beret. There was Travis from Detroit who 202 00:12:14,836 --> 00:12:19,756 Speaker 2: was a double amputee, and then of course there was Sarah. 203 00:12:20,116 --> 00:12:22,876 Speaker 2: Seth told us that he heard stories from Sarah about 204 00:12:22,876 --> 00:12:26,196 Speaker 2: her service stories you may recognize by now. 205 00:12:27,076 --> 00:12:30,156 Speaker 5: She said she went to Afghanistan, she ended up having 206 00:12:30,196 --> 00:12:34,156 Speaker 5: an ide go off pretty much right beside her and 207 00:12:34,356 --> 00:12:35,836 Speaker 5: broke it, shattered her hips. 208 00:12:36,596 --> 00:12:40,116 Speaker 2: Seth remembers the first time that he saw Sarah standing 209 00:12:40,156 --> 00:12:42,756 Speaker 2: in the hotel lobby mingling with the other vets. 210 00:12:43,956 --> 00:12:48,396 Speaker 5: She was she was outgoing. That that was the biggest thing. 211 00:12:48,516 --> 00:12:50,956 Speaker 5: Like she was talking to everybody and she was out going. 212 00:12:50,996 --> 00:12:56,596 Speaker 5: She definitely struck an interest because I wanted I wanted 213 00:12:56,596 --> 00:12:58,516 Speaker 5: that bug that she had, if she was able to 214 00:12:58,556 --> 00:13:00,476 Speaker 5: go through all the crap that she said she was 215 00:13:01,516 --> 00:13:01,796 Speaker 5: and be. 216 00:13:01,796 --> 00:13:02,836 Speaker 1: Able to be that bubbly. 217 00:13:02,956 --> 00:13:04,836 Speaker 5: I wanted that bug because I wanted to be able 218 00:13:04,876 --> 00:13:06,836 Speaker 5: to get back to being a social butterfly. And so 219 00:13:07,836 --> 00:13:11,396 Speaker 5: I just kind of gravitated words that and I guess 220 00:13:11,476 --> 00:13:15,236 Speaker 5: that you know, Travis and Russ both saw the same thing. 221 00:13:15,716 --> 00:13:18,316 Speaker 5: It organically kicked off. We hung out with each other 222 00:13:18,356 --> 00:13:18,996 Speaker 5: the whole time. 223 00:13:19,596 --> 00:13:23,116 Speaker 2: This is something that we've seen before. Sarah shows up 224 00:13:23,116 --> 00:13:26,596 Speaker 2: at these events, surrounded by real vets, many of them struggling, 225 00:13:27,436 --> 00:13:31,636 Speaker 2: and somehow she just fits right in. She finds community, 226 00:13:31,916 --> 00:13:35,116 Speaker 2: She blends, she bonds. She knows how to connect in 227 00:13:35,156 --> 00:13:38,916 Speaker 2: these small group settings where people can often be guarded 228 00:13:39,436 --> 00:13:45,356 Speaker 2: but also quietly yearning for connection, and she doesn't overplay it. 229 00:13:46,076 --> 00:13:50,316 Speaker 2: A sore hip here, a bad back there, nothing wild, 230 00:13:50,596 --> 00:13:54,276 Speaker 2: at least not at first, nothing that sets off alarms, 231 00:13:54,396 --> 00:13:56,756 Speaker 2: just enough to pass as one of them. 232 00:13:57,076 --> 00:13:58,636 Speaker 5: Every once in a while she'd be like, oh, my 233 00:13:58,716 --> 00:14:01,156 Speaker 5: hips are tired, and so Russ had picked her up 234 00:14:01,156 --> 00:14:03,716 Speaker 5: and give her a piggyback ride. She was blaming that 235 00:14:03,756 --> 00:14:06,316 Speaker 5: on Oh my hips are killing me and my back's certain. 236 00:14:06,396 --> 00:14:09,356 Speaker 5: I've got so many metal rods in my body, you know, 237 00:14:09,396 --> 00:14:12,116 Speaker 5: And so I mean, it was just like the normal 238 00:14:12,196 --> 00:14:14,236 Speaker 5: stuff that if somebody had been through an ID or 239 00:14:14,236 --> 00:14:17,276 Speaker 5: somebody'd been through a traumatic incident, you know that you know, 240 00:14:17,436 --> 00:14:20,156 Speaker 5: really hurt their body. That that was the kind of 241 00:14:20,156 --> 00:14:23,036 Speaker 5: stuff that she was portraying. You know, it was just like, Okay, yeah, 242 00:14:23,556 --> 00:14:25,596 Speaker 5: you're pretty messed up, just like the rest of us. 243 00:14:25,636 --> 00:14:28,316 Speaker 5: You know, we got Travis who's a double amputee wheeling 244 00:14:28,396 --> 00:14:29,116 Speaker 5: beside us. 245 00:14:30,836 --> 00:14:34,156 Speaker 2: After the retreat. This new group of friends continued to 246 00:14:34,196 --> 00:14:37,796 Speaker 2: swap advice, share what they learned about how to navigate 247 00:14:37,836 --> 00:14:41,236 Speaker 2: the system and make the most of the resources available 248 00:14:41,316 --> 00:14:46,636 Speaker 2: to veterans and get this. It was actually Sarah who 249 00:14:46,636 --> 00:14:49,756 Speaker 2: first told them about Creative Vets, the program that helps 250 00:14:49,836 --> 00:14:53,836 Speaker 2: veterans make songs about their life, and there was another 251 00:14:53,916 --> 00:14:58,116 Speaker 2: program that Creative Vets ran also where veterans could create 252 00:14:58,356 --> 00:15:03,996 Speaker 2: artwork like paintings. Sarah, she passed this info along. Seth 253 00:15:04,036 --> 00:15:07,996 Speaker 2: eventually signed up kind of half convinced, and he got 254 00:15:08,036 --> 00:15:11,996 Speaker 2: accepted into one of Creative Vets art programs. At the time, 255 00:15:12,476 --> 00:15:15,796 Speaker 2: he didn't know what impact it would have. He just 256 00:15:15,876 --> 00:15:18,876 Speaker 2: knew he was in a dark place, really dark. 257 00:15:20,516 --> 00:15:23,756 Speaker 5: So before that, I had been planning on just going 258 00:15:23,796 --> 00:15:29,196 Speaker 5: and saying goodbye to Russ and you know, even Sarah 259 00:15:29,236 --> 00:15:32,996 Speaker 5: at that time, and just kind of coming back and 260 00:15:33,036 --> 00:15:35,156 Speaker 5: eating a bullet. I had been thinking about it for 261 00:15:35,196 --> 00:15:37,716 Speaker 5: a very long time. I had a spot picked out, 262 00:15:37,836 --> 00:15:40,396 Speaker 5: you know, so that was what it was going to be. 263 00:15:42,516 --> 00:15:46,476 Speaker 2: But fortunately something got in between him and that bullet. 264 00:15:46,636 --> 00:15:49,156 Speaker 2: That date he'd made on the calendar to attend to 265 00:15:49,196 --> 00:15:52,676 Speaker 2: the Creative Vets retreat. It was an art program, held 266 00:15:52,676 --> 00:15:56,596 Speaker 2: in the campus of USC in Los Angeles. He spent 267 00:15:56,636 --> 00:16:00,036 Speaker 2: two weeks there. Russ and Sarah went with him. The 268 00:16:00,076 --> 00:16:04,396 Speaker 2: three of them hung out and explored the city, Venice Beach, Malibu, 269 00:16:04,516 --> 00:16:08,716 Speaker 2: the Santa Monica peer in class. Set did his artwork 270 00:16:09,236 --> 00:16:12,876 Speaker 2: and he made a piece called Dinner before Disaster. It 271 00:16:12,956 --> 00:16:14,956 Speaker 2: was his way of telling the story of what had 272 00:16:14,956 --> 00:16:18,036 Speaker 2: happened to him in Iraq. The title comes from that 273 00:16:18,196 --> 00:16:21,996 Speaker 2: moment just before the grenade exploded, when he'd been eating 274 00:16:21,996 --> 00:16:25,556 Speaker 2: a meal. He welded a metal brain and he set 275 00:16:25,596 --> 00:16:28,556 Speaker 2: it next to a ceramic bowl. Then he caught a 276 00:16:28,636 --> 00:16:31,196 Speaker 2: chunk out of that brain to show the part that 277 00:16:31,276 --> 00:16:36,196 Speaker 2: was lost, and he scattered sand all around it. For 278 00:16:36,356 --> 00:16:40,836 Speaker 2: Seth making this was so cathartic, and it brought him 279 00:16:40,876 --> 00:16:43,836 Speaker 2: a realization about the power of creating art. 280 00:16:44,396 --> 00:16:47,716 Speaker 5: I went out there and in the time that I 281 00:16:47,796 --> 00:16:51,116 Speaker 5: was out there doing all that stuff, a light bulb 282 00:16:51,196 --> 00:16:52,716 Speaker 5: hit and I was like, man, I could share this 283 00:16:52,756 --> 00:16:54,796 Speaker 5: with everybody, and this kid actually helped them to get 284 00:16:54,876 --> 00:16:56,036 Speaker 5: through some of these traumas. 285 00:16:56,836 --> 00:16:58,796 Speaker 1: And so when. 286 00:16:58,276 --> 00:17:00,116 Speaker 5: I got done with the program, instead of going and 287 00:17:00,156 --> 00:17:02,316 Speaker 5: eating that bullet, I went back and threw myself into 288 00:17:02,316 --> 00:17:07,756 Speaker 5: the VA and the volunteer side, and so you know 289 00:17:07,796 --> 00:17:11,876 Speaker 5: that that was my life changing moment. 290 00:17:11,916 --> 00:17:15,316 Speaker 1: It just it put a new sense of purpose into me. 291 00:17:24,316 --> 00:17:42,236 Speaker 2: We'll be right back. After his time in Los Angeles 292 00:17:42,356 --> 00:17:45,276 Speaker 2: at the art retreat, Seth did okay for a while. 293 00:17:45,996 --> 00:17:49,876 Speaker 2: Then COVID hit and Seth, like so many of us, 294 00:17:50,036 --> 00:17:53,716 Speaker 2: struggled with the shutdowns and the isolation. Then you got 295 00:17:53,716 --> 00:17:57,276 Speaker 2: a call from the executive director of Creative Vets asking 296 00:17:57,356 --> 00:18:00,356 Speaker 2: him if he wanted to participate in a songwriting program 297 00:18:00,596 --> 00:18:01,196 Speaker 2: over zoom. 298 00:18:02,076 --> 00:18:04,676 Speaker 5: Everybody was, you know, sitting in their house and I 299 00:18:04,716 --> 00:18:06,556 Speaker 5: was getting back to that spot again, you know. But 300 00:18:06,596 --> 00:18:09,116 Speaker 5: I was like, Okay, there's something that's going to happen. 301 00:18:09,196 --> 00:18:12,156 Speaker 5: And Richard called and he was like, Hey, we're going 302 00:18:12,236 --> 00:18:15,276 Speaker 5: to do a virtual song right since we can't bring 303 00:18:15,316 --> 00:18:16,396 Speaker 5: everybody out to Nashville. 304 00:18:16,396 --> 00:18:18,196 Speaker 1: Would you be up for that? I said, yeah, why not. 305 00:18:19,556 --> 00:18:22,636 Speaker 2: Seth was not a musician, but because the whole art 306 00:18:22,636 --> 00:18:25,876 Speaker 2: retreat in Los Angeles had gone so well, he figured, 307 00:18:26,436 --> 00:18:29,276 Speaker 2: let me give this a try. Seth was assigned a 308 00:18:29,316 --> 00:18:33,076 Speaker 2: mentor and a songwriter who listened carefully to his story. 309 00:18:34,236 --> 00:18:37,116 Speaker 1: They asked me, you know, what do you have on 310 00:18:37,156 --> 00:18:37,516 Speaker 1: your mind? 311 00:18:37,556 --> 00:18:40,036 Speaker 5: And I was like, look, I'm interested in being able 312 00:18:40,076 --> 00:18:42,036 Speaker 5: to take pretty much my whole life, you know, and 313 00:18:42,076 --> 00:18:44,356 Speaker 5: put it into here and then that way that I 314 00:18:44,396 --> 00:18:47,076 Speaker 5: can just put all that Charlotte behind me. And they 315 00:18:47,076 --> 00:18:50,116 Speaker 5: were like, okay, yeah, let's do that. And so I 316 00:18:50,116 --> 00:18:52,236 Speaker 5: started pretty much from the beginning where I did with you, 317 00:18:52,596 --> 00:18:56,596 Speaker 5: and I went all the way through everything. This took 318 00:18:56,676 --> 00:18:59,596 Speaker 5: like six hours or more just to be able to 319 00:18:59,596 --> 00:19:00,636 Speaker 5: get everything done and on. 320 00:19:02,156 --> 00:19:03,476 Speaker 1: You know, that piece of paper. 321 00:19:04,236 --> 00:19:06,156 Speaker 5: And by the time we were all said and done, 322 00:19:06,596 --> 00:19:09,636 Speaker 5: they had the melody, the song, the leader, all that 323 00:19:09,636 --> 00:19:12,396 Speaker 5: stuff put together, and we took it over to the 324 00:19:12,396 --> 00:19:14,996 Speaker 5: studio the next day and put it down on track. 325 00:19:15,956 --> 00:19:19,836 Speaker 2: For years, Seth carried the weight of his story without 326 00:19:19,836 --> 00:19:23,436 Speaker 2: a place to set it down. But here, through this 327 00:19:23,556 --> 00:19:27,596 Speaker 2: songwriting program, he found this space and the courage to 328 00:19:27,676 --> 00:19:33,356 Speaker 2: lay it all out. Trauma, memory, truth all transformed into melody. 329 00:19:34,076 --> 00:19:37,476 Speaker 2: What had once felt unspeakable was now a song. 330 00:19:38,796 --> 00:19:41,916 Speaker 5: You know, just such an amazing experience come out of there, 331 00:19:42,076 --> 00:19:45,156 Speaker 5: even being virtual. When I got off the computer, I 332 00:19:45,236 --> 00:19:47,956 Speaker 5: was so happy and elated and just ready to go. 333 00:19:48,956 --> 00:19:51,556 Speaker 2: And the song, it was something that he could share. 334 00:19:52,436 --> 00:19:55,916 Speaker 5: You've been able to put this out and get things 335 00:19:56,236 --> 00:19:58,756 Speaker 5: you know on paper that you know you don't ever 336 00:19:58,796 --> 00:20:00,876 Speaker 5: have to talk about again. Now you can pass this 337 00:20:00,956 --> 00:20:03,476 Speaker 5: song over to somebody and that'll explain. 338 00:20:03,236 --> 00:20:03,996 Speaker 1: Your story for you. 339 00:20:04,316 --> 00:20:06,476 Speaker 2: What was it like the first time you heard this song, 340 00:20:06,556 --> 00:20:10,876 Speaker 2: like as an actual song with music and someone singing, Oh. 341 00:20:10,716 --> 00:20:14,476 Speaker 1: My gosh, it was like goosebumps everywhere like that. That 342 00:20:14,676 --> 00:20:16,316 Speaker 1: was my story coming to life. 343 00:20:16,516 --> 00:20:19,036 Speaker 5: And it actually made an impact on not only me 344 00:20:19,196 --> 00:20:21,996 Speaker 5: but the people around me, because every time that I 345 00:20:22,036 --> 00:20:23,996 Speaker 5: shared that song, every time that I sang that song, 346 00:20:24,036 --> 00:20:28,916 Speaker 5: every time I played it, it was just someone came 347 00:20:29,036 --> 00:20:31,556 Speaker 5: up with something new to say about it. 348 00:20:31,596 --> 00:20:34,036 Speaker 1: Well, do you sing? Can you sing a lyric? A 349 00:20:34,076 --> 00:20:36,756 Speaker 1: line for me? Are you not a singer? I do sing? 350 00:20:37,516 --> 00:20:42,956 Speaker 1: Give us a line? Then all right. 351 00:20:44,476 --> 00:20:50,836 Speaker 4: You don't get to choose your flesh shan blue hell 352 00:20:51,036 --> 00:20:58,196 Speaker 4: you raised away from Sometimes it calls your dell tane. 353 00:20:58,276 --> 00:21:01,676 Speaker 4: Fancy you fold your hands to the man upstairs when 354 00:21:01,716 --> 00:21:05,596 Speaker 4: the way he's putting on is just too much. 355 00:21:07,516 --> 00:21:09,076 Speaker 1: You can choose. 356 00:21:09,636 --> 00:21:15,316 Speaker 4: Break you down, fine, to keep you alive man, finely 357 00:21:16,316 --> 00:21:18,276 Speaker 4: side to rise bub. 358 00:21:23,636 --> 00:21:23,956 Speaker 1: Man. 359 00:21:27,036 --> 00:21:30,356 Speaker 5: Yeah, that song gets me every time anyway, So sorry 360 00:21:30,436 --> 00:21:35,836 Speaker 5: for the non warm up singing, No You're good. Debut 361 00:21:35,876 --> 00:21:39,556 Speaker 5: at the opry. I've had a couple of times. We've 362 00:21:39,596 --> 00:21:43,796 Speaker 5: been on the field of the Titans game. We've been, 363 00:21:44,716 --> 00:21:46,796 Speaker 5: gosh where else it played on the field of the 364 00:21:46,796 --> 00:21:47,476 Speaker 5: Titans game. 365 00:21:48,116 --> 00:21:51,596 Speaker 6: Ladies and gentlemen, here the fourth that song Rise up Bull, 366 00:21:51,636 --> 00:21:54,516 Speaker 6: Please put your hands together for correct Campbell. 367 00:21:59,956 --> 00:22:04,276 Speaker 4: Some people have a picture perfect childhood with the house 368 00:22:04,356 --> 00:22:04,916 Speaker 4: of Home. 369 00:22:05,356 --> 00:22:05,796 Speaker 1: Know you. 370 00:22:09,836 --> 00:22:13,076 Speaker 2: Seth told me about this moment standing in the Titans 371 00:22:13,116 --> 00:22:18,596 Speaker 2: stadium before tens of thousands of fans and these musicians 372 00:22:18,676 --> 00:22:22,156 Speaker 2: are performing his songs, belting out the words to his 373 00:22:22,276 --> 00:22:27,156 Speaker 2: story like an anthem of hardship and resilience. People are cheering, 374 00:22:27,836 --> 00:22:31,316 Speaker 2: and then, in a scene that could probably only happen 375 00:22:31,396 --> 00:22:34,956 Speaker 2: in America, they offer Seth one final tribute. 376 00:22:35,716 --> 00:22:38,636 Speaker 6: Seth, thank you so much. You've given so much to 377 00:22:38,716 --> 00:22:42,036 Speaker 6: your country. Now as a single father of five, you're 378 00:22:42,076 --> 00:22:45,076 Speaker 6: giving so much to these kids. And how about a 379 00:22:45,156 --> 00:22:49,076 Speaker 6: twenty twenty four Nissan Pathfinder planning a magician so you 380 00:22:49,116 --> 00:22:59,556 Speaker 6: can get these kids in to store. We loved brother, 381 00:23:01,436 --> 00:23:04,076 Speaker 6: what more time with that doll, Ladies and gentlemen. 382 00:23:07,636 --> 00:23:09,556 Speaker 5: My kids that I were all setting out and it 383 00:23:09,676 --> 00:23:12,036 Speaker 5: was just one of the most emotional moments in my life. 384 00:23:12,116 --> 00:23:15,116 Speaker 5: It was really one of those experiences I can't put 385 00:23:15,156 --> 00:23:15,636 Speaker 5: into words. 386 00:23:15,636 --> 00:23:16,596 Speaker 1: It was just all emotion. 387 00:23:28,436 --> 00:23:31,356 Speaker 2: Even though Seth has found some healing and community at 388 00:23:31,436 --> 00:23:35,596 Speaker 2: great events, it still hasn't been an easy path for him. 389 00:23:35,956 --> 00:23:38,996 Speaker 2: His friend Travis, the one from Detroit who was a 390 00:23:38,996 --> 00:23:43,956 Speaker 2: double amputee, he passed away in twenty twenty one. His 391 00:23:44,036 --> 00:23:48,356 Speaker 2: memory stays with Seth and it still kind of tears 392 00:23:48,396 --> 00:23:50,796 Speaker 2: him up that he couldn't have done more to help 393 00:23:50,836 --> 00:23:52,476 Speaker 2: this friend and fellow veteran. 394 00:23:54,116 --> 00:23:58,156 Speaker 5: I had just talked to him the month before and 395 00:23:59,596 --> 00:24:01,956 Speaker 5: he was doing good. He was learning language, he was 396 00:24:02,076 --> 00:24:04,876 Speaker 5: you know, he had a plan for life. And you know, 397 00:24:05,076 --> 00:24:10,036 Speaker 5: something happened that week that, you know, just completely threw 398 00:24:10,116 --> 00:24:12,676 Speaker 5: him back into that spiral, and so he went back 399 00:24:12,716 --> 00:24:16,156 Speaker 5: to go find pain relief and found death instead. 400 00:24:17,516 --> 00:24:21,436 Speaker 2: Seth told us that Travis never applied to a program 401 00:24:21,476 --> 00:24:25,556 Speaker 2: with creative vets, but he really wishes that he had. 402 00:24:26,676 --> 00:24:30,036 Speaker 2: Whether or not it would have helped, it's impossible to say, 403 00:24:30,716 --> 00:24:33,916 Speaker 2: but Seth, he can't help but wonder what it might 404 00:24:33,956 --> 00:24:35,036 Speaker 2: have done for Travis. 405 00:24:35,556 --> 00:24:36,956 Speaker 1: He was trying to find those tools. 406 00:24:36,996 --> 00:24:40,996 Speaker 5: Every time that we talked, it was you know, I'm 407 00:24:40,996 --> 00:24:42,836 Speaker 5: doing this, I'm doing that you know, and he was 408 00:24:42,916 --> 00:24:45,716 Speaker 5: trying to find the one thing that's going to help 409 00:24:45,756 --> 00:24:48,116 Speaker 5: him to be able to get out of that hole, 410 00:24:48,556 --> 00:24:57,836 Speaker 5: and he didn't find it. So knowing that really leaves 411 00:24:57,836 --> 00:25:00,716 Speaker 5: a burden on my heart for him. 412 00:25:01,116 --> 00:25:06,876 Speaker 2: This lost opportunity underscores what Sarah stole a spot that 413 00:25:06,956 --> 00:25:08,276 Speaker 2: somebody else could have taken. 414 00:25:09,636 --> 00:25:13,476 Speaker 5: We're a very small organization, so being able to do 415 00:25:13,636 --> 00:25:17,556 Speaker 5: large groups is not something that we're tailored for. We're 416 00:25:17,716 --> 00:25:21,316 Speaker 5: for that small, intimate session and we can only help 417 00:25:21,356 --> 00:25:24,276 Speaker 5: so many veterans a year, and to have one that 418 00:25:24,356 --> 00:25:27,756 Speaker 5: comes through the program multiple times that happens to not 419 00:25:27,836 --> 00:25:31,596 Speaker 5: be a veteran really takes away from those that could 420 00:25:31,636 --> 00:25:33,556 Speaker 5: have been able to get in here and do something 421 00:25:33,596 --> 00:25:34,476 Speaker 5: with their life and. 422 00:25:34,436 --> 00:25:35,196 Speaker 1: Turn it around. 423 00:25:37,596 --> 00:25:41,876 Speaker 2: For Seth, these creative VET retreats, they're not just a perk, 424 00:25:42,476 --> 00:25:45,396 Speaker 2: not just a nod to the hardship. Veterans have endured 425 00:25:46,396 --> 00:25:49,796 Speaker 2: their chance to make sense of that hardship, to embrace it, 426 00:25:50,196 --> 00:25:54,676 Speaker 2: to find meaning in it, to take something jagged and raw, 427 00:25:55,156 --> 00:25:58,276 Speaker 2: and through the alchemy of music, shape it into something 428 00:25:58,516 --> 00:26:03,356 Speaker 2: that speaks not just to others, but also to oneself. 429 00:26:04,396 --> 00:26:07,236 Speaker 2: That's what the process of collaborating on his song did 430 00:26:07,356 --> 00:26:10,156 Speaker 2: for Seth, that's what he says, and it do for others, 431 00:26:10,996 --> 00:26:14,316 Speaker 2: And by staying on at creative Vets, he's hoping that 432 00:26:14,356 --> 00:26:18,756 Speaker 2: he can carry that gift to people like Travis before 433 00:26:18,836 --> 00:26:27,636 Speaker 2: the silence swallows them whole. When Seth came home from Iraq, 434 00:26:28,036 --> 00:26:30,196 Speaker 2: he was trying to make sense of what he'd been through. 435 00:26:30,996 --> 00:26:36,316 Speaker 2: The help that was offered came in the form of questions, structured, clinical, 436 00:26:36,956 --> 00:26:42,316 Speaker 2: well intentioned. But for Seth this didn't help him find peace. 437 00:26:43,196 --> 00:26:43,756 Speaker 1: Not really. 438 00:26:46,236 --> 00:26:48,276 Speaker 5: Most of us have to go through the VA, and 439 00:26:48,316 --> 00:26:50,676 Speaker 5: the VA wants to sit there and ask us questions, 440 00:26:51,156 --> 00:26:52,716 Speaker 5: you know, and then we give him the answer and 441 00:26:52,716 --> 00:26:53,316 Speaker 5: then they're like. 442 00:26:53,436 --> 00:26:54,596 Speaker 1: How do you feel about that? 443 00:26:54,756 --> 00:26:58,116 Speaker 5: It's like, I don't even know how I feel about 444 00:26:58,156 --> 00:27:00,756 Speaker 5: you know, life in general, so asking me how I 445 00:27:00,796 --> 00:27:02,756 Speaker 5: feel about this, I really can't give you an. 446 00:27:02,676 --> 00:27:03,316 Speaker 1: Answer on that. 447 00:27:04,876 --> 00:27:07,956 Speaker 2: But it created vets. Seth found a place to talk 448 00:27:08,756 --> 00:27:12,556 Speaker 2: and now anytime he meets someone new, he doesn't have 449 00:27:12,636 --> 00:27:16,876 Speaker 2: to answer questions or even say a word. He'll just 450 00:27:16,916 --> 00:27:17,756 Speaker 2: play them his song. 451 00:27:19,436 --> 00:27:25,196 Speaker 4: You don't get to choose your flesh and blood, how 452 00:27:25,356 --> 00:27:29,876 Speaker 4: you raised or where your from. 453 00:27:30,236 --> 00:27:33,556 Speaker 6: Sometime the cards you delity there so you puild your 454 00:27:33,556 --> 00:27:36,316 Speaker 6: hands to the man upstairs when the way he's. 455 00:27:36,196 --> 00:27:40,636 Speaker 4: Putting on he's just too much, and you. 456 00:27:40,516 --> 00:27:43,156 Speaker 2: Can choose to let it break you down. 457 00:27:43,036 --> 00:27:45,156 Speaker 1: If I have to turn your life. 458 00:27:44,796 --> 00:27:49,036 Speaker 7: Around Crime the string in Inside the Rise Blood. 459 00:27:57,196 --> 00:27:59,836 Speaker 2: Next time on Deep Cover, we dive into one of 460 00:27:59,876 --> 00:28:04,716 Speaker 2: our biggest unresolved questions from the series. Did Sarah Kavanaugh 461 00:28:05,196 --> 00:28:06,276 Speaker 2: have an accomplice? 462 00:28:06,676 --> 00:28:10,436 Speaker 7: So there had to be other people involved. There absolutely 463 00:28:10,636 --> 00:28:14,636 Speaker 7: had to be because I clearly remember at least two 464 00:28:14,716 --> 00:28:19,316 Speaker 7: times when Ivy was on the phone there had to 465 00:28:19,396 --> 00:28:20,156 Speaker 7: be another person. 466 00:28:23,996 --> 00:28:28,116 Speaker 2: This episode was produced by Amy Gaines McQuaid, Tally Emmlin 467 00:28:28,396 --> 00:28:32,756 Speaker 2: and Sonia Gerwit. It was edited by Karen Chakerjee. Our 468 00:28:32,836 --> 00:28:37,156 Speaker 2: executive producer is Jacob Smith. Original music from Luis Gara, 469 00:28:37,796 --> 00:28:44,396 Speaker 2: mastering by Sarah Bruguer. Special thanks to Jess Mchughe, Jake Flanagan, 470 00:28:44,676 --> 00:28:49,436 Speaker 2: Sarah Nix, and Greta Con. Additional thanks to creat Events. 471 00:28:50,556 --> 00:28:51,356 Speaker 2: I'm Jake Albert