Speaker 1: You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox
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Speaker 1: The Dan as Dan Patrick Show. I first tested positive
Speaker 1: Saturday morning for COVID, and the next forty eight hours
Speaker 1: were pretty tough. Seventy two hours were pretty tough. Took
Speaker 1: Monday off and then felt good on Tuesday when I
Speaker 1: came in. Didn't feel that good yesterday and feel even
Speaker 1: worse today. This is one of those where you have
Speaker 1: no energy whatsoever, and it feels like if you were
Speaker 1: talking about cabin pressure on an airplane. That's what it
Speaker 1: feels like inside your head. Voice is cracking a little
Speaker 1: bit here, but Pauli says it sounds sexy. It's like
Speaker 1: a male version of Demi Moore ish. Yes, but thanks
Speaker 1: for bearing with us on the program. Yes, still outside,
Speaker 1: the dan Ets are safe and sound inside, but we
Speaker 1: do have visits occasionally. They'll do drive buzz and be
Speaker 1: like twenty feet away and have the mask on, and
Speaker 1: you know, Fritzie comes storming through. Though Fritzie comes out
Speaker 1: here quite a bit. Yes, Tohn, I'm going to address
Speaker 1: the elephant in the room, even though it seems a
Speaker 1: little incentitive. But looking ahead to tomorrow. Since you're in
Speaker 1: the trigger grill section there, how does that work after
Speaker 1: the show tomorrow? That's slightly incentitive, But I'm thinking about tomorrow.
Speaker 1: That's not canceled right on lunch or anything, because you
Speaker 1: have to be out there. Okay, if there's a difference
Speaker 1: between there's gonna be lunch tomorrow or me being healthy tomorrow,
Speaker 1: I want you to be healthy. But a close second
Speaker 1: would be cooking some burgers. What do we got. I
Speaker 1: got to figure out the menu for tomorrow, But I am.
Speaker 1: I am planning on being here tomorrow. Had my doubts
Speaker 1: this morning. In fact, I came in and we had
Speaker 1: our morning meeting, or at least we were going to,
Speaker 1: and I said, Paulie, you handle things, and I'm gonna
Speaker 1: go out in my car. So got out in the Mercedes.
Speaker 1: Just had the seat go all reclines all the way
Speaker 1: back at the old days. Yeah, well I didn't drive
Speaker 1: him Mercedes in the old days. But I was like,
Speaker 1: oh man, I could easily just fall asleep here. But
Speaker 1: every day it's the Super Bowl. Fritzie keeps reminding the
Speaker 1: event every day. Let's go, Yeah, I know, two more hours,
Speaker 1: I know. Fritzie Fritzie walks by me. He goes soft.
Speaker 1: No he didn't, but it's okay in a fun way.
Speaker 1: It's all playful. It's all playful stuff. Yeah. And then
Speaker 1: I goes content, I said what you saying? Goes what
Speaker 1: I said, did you say soft? And he goes yeah.
Speaker 1: I said, all right, all right, game on. Try to
Speaker 1: motivate someone that like every two weeks that's up, you know,
Speaker 1: it's emergency room, got forbid or at some other places.
Speaker 1: I got a zoom in. I deserved it. As you
Speaker 1: would say, I'm cavetching, and I don't. I don't mean
Speaker 1: to be cavetching. No one likes a yeah, No they don't. Yes.
Speaker 1: When you were taking your pre show nap, we were discussing,
Speaker 1: all right, how we're going to work on this, how
Speaker 1: are we gonna do this? And seeing that ideas we
Speaker 1: should find a list that makes Dan really really upset
Speaker 1: and then he'll think about that for the next three hours.
Speaker 1: So we've been scouring for horrible internet lists. Yeah, is
Speaker 1: there the greatest college basketball Player of All Time list?
Speaker 1: Michael Jordan? Yeah, with Michael Jordan. I still I haven't
Speaker 1: found anybody who voted on that poll because I want
Speaker 1: to know, and I you know who I talked to
Speaker 1: Jay Billis about that. He said, Jay, what are you doing?
Speaker 1: Can't you help people in there? And I think Jay
Speaker 1: was really shocked that they had Michael Jordan as the
Speaker 1: greatest college player of all time? All right, age seven
Speaker 1: seven three d P show email address DP at Dan
Speaker 1: Patrick dot com, Twitter handle at DP show. One of
Speaker 1: my former bosses, John Skipper, is going to join us.
Speaker 1: He's the former president of ESPN. I thought he'd be
Speaker 1: interesting to talk to a very smart guy about what
Speaker 1: Fox is going to get or hopes to get with
Speaker 1: Tom Brady and really what the landscape is with analysts
Speaker 1: now broadcasters, and do you get your money's worth out
Speaker 1: of it? Like what's it mean? ESPN now has Joe
Speaker 1: Buck and Troy Aikman. Amazon has Al Michaels like having
Speaker 1: a figurehead Jim Nance of course deeply entrenched at CBS,
Speaker 1: Mike Tarico at NBC. But we'll talk to John Skipper
Speaker 1: about that. Also, Steve SAMs, our buddy from the Golf Chip,
Speaker 1: they're a great play by play announcer, will join us
Speaker 1: a little bit later. We'll talk about what's going on
Speaker 1: in the PGA. Tour and players wanting to player in
Speaker 1: the it's a Saudi backed league. But is it LIV
Speaker 1: is it would that be fifty four in Roman numeroan numerous. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm not sure if it's the Live Tour, the LIV Tour,
Speaker 1: the fifty four Tour, but it's backed by a couple
Speaker 1: of billion dollars with Saudi Arabia. Yes, it's being referred
Speaker 1: to as the Live Golf Invitational, Live Golfing, and Live Golfing, okay,
Speaker 1: and I think they have twelve events and four of
Speaker 1: those who are in the United States. When I first
Speaker 1: heard about it, I thought, oh, they're gonna get these
Speaker 1: players to go to Saudi Arabia to play golf. All right, now,
Speaker 1: welcome on to the show. Five time Live Tour champion
Speaker 1: m doesn't have the same ring of it. Sorry, yes, yes, Paul.
Speaker 1: Maybe I have to live fair at the end of
Speaker 1: the season to celebrate, Okay. So they left off the
Speaker 1: E so you wouldn't think it's the Live Tour. So
Speaker 1: it's l i V for a live tour, right because
Speaker 1: l I V could be live or live. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: it's not that dot the LIV Tour, not like the PGA.
Speaker 1: Yes Toime and who would the lovely Master of ceremonies
Speaker 1: be for that event time? Um no, No, I could
Speaker 1: do a live rick about this scuff of it. Uh yeah, sure,
Speaker 1: Becau's a limerick, but it's a liver. Sometimes sometimes I
Speaker 1: just acknowledge for c and I just see, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: go ahead, because I know I would either do that
Speaker 1: or I do that before I would go no, Todd,
Speaker 1: I don't want you to do it. No, I want
Speaker 1: to do it, and then we go back and forth.
Speaker 1: It's just easier to say, yeah, go ahead, I'll take
Speaker 1: that over. Thank you, Todd, which is extremely dismissing. Thinks
Speaker 1: so likely the best part of thank you, Todd is
Speaker 1: when you go you're welcome. Welcome. We talked about what
Speaker 1: happened in the playoffs last night with the I'm watching
Speaker 1: the game and I keep thinking, man, Milwaukee making this interest. Oh,
Speaker 1: Milwaukee's really close. Milwaukee has a chance to take the
Speaker 1: Milwaukee's gonna win this game if it could go wrong.
Speaker 1: It did go wrong. Unbelievable finish there, and you know,
Speaker 1: Jannie somehow makes it look easy. He's scoring forty points
Speaker 1: against a really good defensive team. But Mark is smart.
Speaker 1: He's the defensive player. Of the Year, but he went
Speaker 1: up against Drew Holliday, who certainly could lay claim to that.
Speaker 1: He certainly was last night the defensive player of the
Speaker 1: game with a couple of had a steal on a
Speaker 1: block shot in successive possessions. You gotta have somebody step up.
Speaker 1: Jannis can go for four, but with no Chris Middleton,
Speaker 1: you need somebody who's gonna step up. And you saw
Speaker 1: that last night. Bobby Portous offensive rebounds and Drew Holliday
Speaker 1: hit big shots when you needed it. Yes, Marue Holidays
Speaker 1: looking for that Larry Bird Eastern Conference MVP Championship of
Speaker 1: the World. Oh, is that the new trophy that they're
Speaker 1: handing out? It is? Wait now, this is if you
Speaker 1: win the Eastern Conference Finals MVP, then you get a
Speaker 1: trophy in the Western Conference. So it's the Larry Bird
Speaker 1: Eastern Conference Finals MVP. Yeah, it's easier to say the
Speaker 1: ECF MVP, Dad, that's how we say at the ECF MVP,
Speaker 1: the WCF MVP Season one, Part two. And now, who
Speaker 1: is that named after the Western Conference Finals MVP. I
Speaker 1: think it's Oscar Robertson close it's Magic Johnson. Are you sure? Well,
Speaker 1: if you're gonna have Larry, then you have magic. I
Speaker 1: get that. And of course not to cut you off,
Speaker 1: but the cut you off. Our good friend Nick Right
Speaker 1: upset that you know who isn't the trophy's not named
Speaker 1: after after Lebron Lebron, Yes, he's furious. Well I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't know if I could name it after an
Speaker 1: active player. Nick Rights going to join us? No he's not,
Speaker 1: but he would be. He's fuming over it. There's there's
Speaker 1: so many more important things to worry about that it,
Speaker 1: like Lebron's new teammates next year or who's his coach
Speaker 1: going to be? Not they didn't name the award after Lebron.
Speaker 1: James DraftKings has updated odds to win the NBA title
Speaker 1: Sons tops. Number two is the Warriors, three is the Bucks, Fours,
Speaker 1: the Heat. Then it's Celtic Sixers, Dallas and Memphis. Yes, good,
Speaker 1: Seaton is taking the Memphis Grizzlies to win this series.
Speaker 1: I got you right where I watch it. Okay, If
Speaker 1: and if you're correct and they win the series, then
Speaker 1: Pauli gets two pies. But if Memphis happens to lose
Speaker 1: Golden State Advances, then Seaton gets one pie. Do I
Speaker 1: have my math correct there, Paul, Yes. And the awards situation,
Speaker 1: the confusion was the individual awards are the Magic Johnson
Speaker 1: Larry Bird Awards, but the newly designed Eastern Conference champions
Speaker 1: Trophy will be named after Bob Couzy, former Celtic MVP,
Speaker 1: and the Western Conference Champion Trophy will be named after
Speaker 1: Oscar Robertson, not Robinson. They do, yeah, people will always
Speaker 1: bring up Oscar. That Oscar Robinson man, I go Robertson.
Speaker 1: He averaged a triple double. People don't know any other
Speaker 1: stats with Oscar. You know, one of the great rebounding guards.
Speaker 1: I mean he was a big guard. You have to
Speaker 1: understand that that. You know, guards might be six feet
Speaker 1: tall six one six two Oscar six to five. But
Speaker 1: he was big and athletic, and he and Jerry West
Speaker 1: had great battles. But you know, Oscar, you know, kind
Speaker 1: of toiled in oblivion with Cincinnati. That's when I first
Speaker 1: got a chance to see Oscar play. And then he
Speaker 1: went to Milwaukee with that famous trade and he ended
Speaker 1: up winning a championship there with louwell Sendor John Skipper
Speaker 1: the mother Ship will join us coming up. Phone calls
Speaker 1: are always welcome and Fritzie, it's a National Limerick Day.
Speaker 1: You provided us with one in the first hour, and
Speaker 1: white cheat the audience that didn't get to hear that exactly,
Speaker 1: and don't you give them another limerick? Okay, this is
Speaker 1: a limerick about limerick. About doing a limerick today, I
Speaker 1: feel really alive, and it's not just from taking him drive.
Speaker 1: It's a National Limerick Day. Don't ignore so rhyme lines
Speaker 1: three and four and do the same for one, two
Speaker 1: and five. All right for those that aren't sure yet
Speaker 1: to what the limerick is or I had to write
Speaker 1: one that needs like a cartoon animation to go with
Speaker 1: that one. And I give a shout out to one
Speaker 1: about sponsors. He got a whole lot backed in there.
Speaker 1: Well done time, Thanks, thank you, You're welcome. I do yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm not sincere and you're not sincere. No blue, blue blue. Well,
Speaker 1: when Reed Debtmer's tossed the no hitter for the Angels,
Speaker 1: that was just his eleventh Major League start. There have
Speaker 1: been a total of three hundred and sixteen no hitters
Speaker 1: throughout history. Holding a team to no hits through nine
Speaker 1: is tough, but no hitters have become a little more commonplace,
Speaker 1: and if you look at the batting averages, the league
Speaker 1: batting average has plummeted over the years. From nineteen ninety
Speaker 1: eight to two thousand and nine, baseball's batting average was
Speaker 1: over two sixty the average this year the number is
Speaker 1: two thirty three. Players are swinging for the fences and
Speaker 1: that gives pitchers a big advantage. But also Debtoners only
Speaker 1: struck out two. That to me is what's surprising. He
Speaker 1: just had them put the ball in play. Greg Maddocks
Speaker 1: famously would do this, put the ball in play, have
Speaker 1: them beat themselves else. And I don't think that anything's
Speaker 1: going to change with analytics. I think no hitters are
Speaker 1: going to continue to be more and more prevalent in
Speaker 1: today's game. Justin Verlander had a no hitter through eight
Speaker 1: innings on the same night that read Detmer's through his
Speaker 1: no hitter. Can we check and see the last time
Speaker 1: somebody threw a no hitter and had two strikeouts or less.
Speaker 1: See if you can get some of our stats guys
Speaker 1: on that. Fritzie, I'm on it all right. Let's see
Speaker 1: anything else that we need to recap here, Pauline. No
Speaker 1: new news from the schedule release. In the NFL. Well,
Speaker 1: let's ride up a little bit. Yeah, the big news
Speaker 1: will be the opening night that Thursday night, and then
Speaker 1: the Sunday night that's always big, and then we have
Speaker 1: a double header on Monday night, I believe, so those
Speaker 1: will be the interesting things. That's all I care about
Speaker 1: is what happens during that first weekend. Yeah, Paul, do
Speaker 1: you can find yourselves forgetting who's announcing for Witch channel
Speaker 1: right now? I don't. I'm not sure. Is Trico doing NBC? Yes? Yea,
Speaker 1: and yeah Alice on Amazon? Yes, Joe Buck is ESPN Football, Yeah, alright,
Speaker 1: boxes Greg greg Olson for a couple of months, Yes,
Speaker 1: GE's that gig, Kevin Burkhart, alright, and then Greg Olsen
Speaker 1: goes to second team when you get demoted once Tom
Speaker 1: Brady decides to well, who knows how long's Brady's gonna play? Oh?
Speaker 1: I saw where there was an over under. You guys
Speaker 1: want to guess the over under? Uh Tom Brady touchdowns
Speaker 1: over under this year? If I gave you the over under,
Speaker 1: if I gave you um over under, you guys want
Speaker 1: to guess what the over under is for Tom Brady
Speaker 1: touchdown passes this year Paulie thirty three and a half okay, Uh,
Speaker 1: Seaton O'Connor over under uh twenty seven, twenty seven, yes,
Speaker 1: twenty seven. Hey, Marv'll go thirty eight and a half,
Speaker 1: thirty eight and a half, Todd one dollar. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: say thirty seven and a half, okay. But if you
Speaker 1: go over then you can't win, Todd, I understand that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's thirty five and a half out Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: Do I win by low ball? Yes? Yes? Hello? He
Speaker 1: had the one dollar one hello. Yeah. In his two
Speaker 1: seasons in Tampa Bay, Brady is averaging forty one and
Speaker 1: a half touchdown three years. Doesn't that feel like, you know,
Speaker 1: there's those sucker bench where you go, oh, he's gonna
Speaker 1: throw more in thirty five? Is he thirty four? Yes?
Speaker 1: Tom Brady's career quarterback rating with the patriots was ninety seven.
Speaker 1: His quarterback rating with Tampa is one hundred and two
Speaker 1: point one. It's better, thank you, back to you. I'm
Speaker 1: moving slow today, but not that slow. I can tell
Speaker 1: the difference between those two checking eight seven. I have
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Speaker 1: in doubt about is there going to be a meat Friday.
Speaker 1: I don't even know what we're having, but we will
Speaker 1: have a meat Friday. And if you know they're gonna
Speaker 1: be grilling while I'm on the show out here, then
Speaker 1: we'll do it. They're just a little piece of mind
Speaker 1: about the lunch tomorrow. I know I'll take care of you.
Speaker 1: We got concerned about these things. We get really hungry
Speaker 1: by about this time of day. Okay, I'm worried about
Speaker 1: the smoke too. We've already had the smoke out. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: have the show from the parking lot. See if you
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Speaker 1: I said that Tyler. It was a little cold out here.
Speaker 1: I said, hey, how about your whip up a fire?
Speaker 1: He goes okay, and next thing I know, it's a
Speaker 1: rager and then he put cardboard in it. So I
Speaker 1: got all this ash. The entire show just kept falling
Speaker 1: on me, and I said, next time, how about we
Speaker 1: get a starter log next time? Yeah, you never see
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Speaker 1: I think, I said, Tyler, I think you're sitting there
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Speaker 1: He'd seventy six ers, that's game six. Sons at the
Speaker 1: MAVs will be game six. We spent a lot of
Speaker 1: time talking about Tom Brady joining Fox eventually when his
Speaker 1: career is over, and we thought the numbers might be
Speaker 1: twenty to twenty five million dollars a year, and then
Speaker 1: you realize Fox is bringing him in as a brand
Speaker 1: ambassador and also to do color on their football games.
Speaker 1: And I thought John Skipper one of the brightest people
Speaker 1: I ever encountered in my career, former ESPN CEO president,
Speaker 1: and he's now the co founder and CEO of Metal
Speaker 1: Arc Media working with Dan Lebotard and John, thanks for
Speaker 1: joining us. Your reaction when you first heard the news
Speaker 1: that Fox was going to offer that kind of money
Speaker 1: to Tom Brady, I have to confess my first reaction
Speaker 1: was not about the money, but about potentially how well
Speaker 1: Fox played this right. Everybody was surprised that they let
Speaker 1: Joe Buck and Troy Aikman go. Troy Aikman was surprised
Speaker 1: that they had not even really been in touch with
Speaker 1: him about it, and I think perhaps this explains it right.
Speaker 1: They planned all along that they were going to get Brady.
Speaker 1: I have no idea if that's right, by the way,
Speaker 1: but that's the first thing I thought is, Wow, look
Speaker 1: how well they played this. They they're going to get
Speaker 1: the goat into the booth. How do you hide something
Speaker 1: like that, John, I have no idea, though I am
Speaker 1: here somewhere in the Midwest and the witness Protection program,
Speaker 1: so it is possible to keep secrets and look to
Speaker 1: your first point, it is a lot of money, and
Speaker 1: it raises the inevitable question how you justify spending quite
Speaker 1: so much money. It's not because of ratings. It does
Speaker 1: not have any effect on the ratings. And I've never
Speaker 1: had anybody showed me any data to dispute that this
Speaker 1: is more or about just what you were talking about.
Speaker 1: Pride Brand. Ambassador Gee will take our important advertisers by
Speaker 1: the booth to see Tom Brady Gee. I suspect he
Speaker 1: will see him at the upfront presentations at some point
Speaker 1: in not too distant future. So you can make a
Speaker 1: justification for it. But it's not about ratings or because
Speaker 1: more people will watch, or even because it will be
Speaker 1: a better or worse broadcast. It's just about the jazz
Speaker 1: of having Tom Brady. But also I was wondering, and
Speaker 1: it seems like an obvious question, John, But I don't
Speaker 1: think many people are asking it's Tom Brady gonna be
Speaker 1: any good as an analyst. I'm not sure it matters
Speaker 1: other than there'll be a little bit of embarrassment. He
Speaker 1: looks he's a smart guy, he's charming. I'm assuming he'll
Speaker 1: be that. To me. The interesting the judgment of whether
Speaker 1: he's gonna being good. Is he going to provide insight?
Speaker 1: They can provide insight and a number of things right.
Speaker 1: One of them is and Tony Romo gets credit for
Speaker 1: being spectacular about this, right, which is insight into what
Speaker 1: play is going to be called, why it's being played.
Speaker 1: I think Tom will do pretty well there. The other
Speaker 1: insight you want is what is it like? What are
Speaker 1: the players like? Who's a good guy, who's a bad guy?
Speaker 1: Is Tom Brady really going to be willing to say
Speaker 1: anything controversial? I suspect he will be carefully. He's a
Speaker 1: very guarded guy. Right. If you think about the life
Speaker 1: he leads and how he manages the information that comes
Speaker 1: out of his mouth. He's pretty guarded. I don't think
Speaker 1: he's going to be controversial all the things to be provocative.
Speaker 1: He won't be any Charles Barkley, right, And that's what
Speaker 1: you like, is somebody who's fun, insightful that you want
Speaker 1: to sit with. So he'll be okay. I don't think
Speaker 1: it'll be a disaster. We talked about this a couple
Speaker 1: of weeks ago. Charles Barkley might be the most valuable
Speaker 1: member of the sports media, right you agree? Yes, I do.
Speaker 1: And I think there's only three or four people in
Speaker 1: the history of broadcasting who you genuinely can say that
Speaker 1: people tune in to see them. Right. The late great
Speaker 1: John Madden, who was recently passed, was one of those guys.
Speaker 1: Berkeley right now is the guy in all of sports
Speaker 1: you can say people will turn in to see him.
Speaker 1: Did you try to get Barkley at ESPN? Absolutely? Absolutely.
Speaker 1: There's almost nobody who's really really good. We didn't try
Speaker 1: to get. The biggest issue at ESPN was and you
Speaker 1: know this, so we'll have a little fun with this
Speaker 1: is the ESPN wants you to work to down. Are
Speaker 1: we were? We weren't willing to pay. I'm going to
Speaker 1: remember talking to Shack, who's a very good guy, very friendly,
Speaker 1: and I tried very hard to convince him, you don't
Speaker 1: want to be the second field of Shack. I'm sorry
Speaker 1: to Charles. Come over to ESPN. You'll be the start,
Speaker 1: and he said, I already talked to Charles, and Cheryls said,
Speaker 1: all I gotta do is show up and I don't
Speaker 1: have to rehearse that. I don't have to be on
Speaker 1: Sports Center feel first stake, I don't have to be
Speaker 1: on PCI. I don't have to be on NBA Countdown.
Speaker 1: I can just work, come in, sit down, and chew
Speaker 1: it up. And so you know, it was hard to
Speaker 1: get him. I remember talking to Berkeley. Barkley said, hey,
Speaker 1: ESPN is interested in signing me. And I said, well,
Speaker 1: let me tell you why you shouldn't do it. Where
Speaker 1: you're gonna have to go every day or every other day,
Speaker 1: or you know you're gonna have to be on ESPN radio.
Speaker 1: You're gonna have to be on You go through the
Speaker 1: car wash there. You gotta own the weather is going
Speaker 1: to be an issue. You go through the car wash there,
Speaker 1: And they said you could do that or I'm gonna
Speaker 1: guess TNT is just gonna say, hey, just show up
Speaker 1: and that's got some fun. And he said, yeah, this
Speaker 1: shouldn't be a hard decision. Yeah, he's right, and we
Speaker 1: knew we were operating with that disadvantage. Of course, the
Speaker 1: other work for us because we had so much programming
Speaker 1: to film, We needed guests and we and we cared
Speaker 1: a lot about getting our money to worth. So yeah,
Speaker 1: it's the disadvantage that I do not blame Shack or Charles.
Speaker 1: They're a city where they should be. By the way,
Speaker 1: let me say another thing, Dan, which I think you'll
Speaker 1: agree with. For all the worrying about preparation and all
Speaker 1: the best show, in some ways the best sports studio
Speaker 1: show and all of sports is that Charles Barkley, shaqu
Speaker 1: Kenny Smith, Ernie Johnson's show. And it's because they look
Speaker 1: like they're having fun, they know what they're talking about,
Speaker 1: they're willing to be provocative, they're willing to to mash
Speaker 1: it up, and it's great. Well, john you're saying it
Speaker 1: right to my face that that's the best studio show.
Speaker 1: And I thought that I was part of the best
Speaker 1: studio show. I mean, were you were part of the
Speaker 1: best sports information studio shows, not the Game Today pre
Speaker 1: and posts and halftime show. Make that distinction. Okay, all right,
Speaker 1: fair enough the Manning Cast. Where are we going with
Speaker 1: imitators with the Manning Cast? In your opinion, um, I
Speaker 1: think Manning Cast is trufly entertaining what we're what we're
Speaker 1: doing is pretending that everything in the booth is great.
Speaker 1: We're doing the game the way we should do it.
Speaker 1: So if we're gonna have fun or we're gonna not
Speaker 1: call every play, it's got to be an alternative broadcast.
Speaker 1: I personally think it's it's a funny attempt to get
Speaker 1: actually different voices on the game who aren't just calling
Speaker 1: third and eight and they turn around to hand the
Speaker 1: ball off. But every I think what will be interesting
Speaker 1: is when somebody does that in the in the first booth,
Speaker 1: not in an alternative booth. Oh okay, so you're tuning
Speaker 1: into that game and this is the game. It's not
Speaker 1: alternative programming. Yes, huh okay, Yeah. I tried to do
Speaker 1: that one time with Tony Cornheizer and the football GUIDs.
Speaker 1: The football guys were bailed. It was a little like, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, when Paris took took Helen Detroit, all of
Speaker 1: the football GUIDs sent their forces in ships across the
Speaker 1: Wine dark Sea and tried to execute Tony. What's the
Speaker 1: craziest idea you almost succeeded with at ESPN that you
Speaker 1: were going to try? Do you remember anything that was
Speaker 1: outside the box? I think I think that Tony Cornheiser
Speaker 1: is the biggest example. Right. We were trying to interject
Speaker 1: into a booth comedy and different kind of flavor and
Speaker 1: it did not work. Bubbey Tony did great work. It
Speaker 1: wasn't bad. It just there wasn't an overall general acceptance
Speaker 1: that that was the right way to go. So I
Speaker 1: and let me stipulate too. I didn't produce a lot
Speaker 1: of football games, so it's possible. I don't know what
Speaker 1: I'm talking about. It's John Skipper, the co founder and
Speaker 1: CEO of Metal Lark Media, with Dan Lebotard, former president
Speaker 1: of ESPN. Give me a sport that you would invest
Speaker 1: in right now if it was a stock aside from
Speaker 1: the NFL. You got another sport, sure, and I did.
Speaker 1: And in this case, I just said, you know, I
Speaker 1: could be wrong. Here's the case where I was not wrong,
Speaker 1: which is soccer right. Soccer. I just read something other
Speaker 1: day that suggested is now the fourth most popular sport
Speaker 1: in the country, headed to number three behind football and basketball,
Speaker 1: and it is. Of course, Now you don't need Nostradamus
Speaker 1: to tell you this. Everybody knows this right, Uh, NBC,
Speaker 1: just pay a large sum of money and being increased.
Speaker 1: Thing this Premier League, ESPM, ball Oliga and Bundesliga Champions
Speaker 1: League is a smash from CBS soccer. Soccer is coming
Speaker 1: and and other than football and basketball, everybody should watch out.
Speaker 1: The other one is, of course we saw this weekend
Speaker 1: and on this one I was wrong, and that's F
Speaker 1: one F one's coming and they've done a fabulous job.
Speaker 1: The driver to survive show is help. But to have
Speaker 1: a sport grow that fast in the United States with
Speaker 1: no US participants is pretty remarkable. No participants at the
Speaker 1: high school at the highest level. And you got a
Speaker 1: younger demo that's watching Formula one and you know, you
Speaker 1: got the beautiful people showed up for it presents itself well,
Speaker 1: you got celebrities, you got the weather. You know you're
Speaker 1: you're racing on the same streets that people can drive
Speaker 1: on on any other day. So there is some fascination
Speaker 1: with that. But baseball has been good at the local level. John, Yes,
Speaker 1: baseball's I'm not denigrating any other sport. Baseball thrives at
Speaker 1: the local level. It thrives as a spectacular daily sport.
Speaker 1: I talked to a buddy of mine yesterday. What was
Speaker 1: he doing is going to the white size game in
Speaker 1: the afternoon. So the local adherents are like daily communicants,
Speaker 1: and it works very well that way. But should they
Speaker 1: be worried Should the commissioner be worried about the national
Speaker 1: audience national perception of baseball is a sport. Of course
Speaker 1: they should be right, and there are some solves for it. Right.
Speaker 1: The issue is there have not been enough national games.
Speaker 1: One of the great benefits of the NFL, and it's
Speaker 1: it's a contracted schedule and scarcely your games is everybody
Speaker 1: in the country gives you every team you I defy
Speaker 1: you absent some very expense, absent MLB dot Com or
Speaker 1: whatever the digital package is called. You can't see the
Speaker 1: Marlins and the Padres play if you live in Chicago
Speaker 1: or Cleveland unless you have a couple hundred dollars package.
Speaker 1: Nobody sees any of the baseball teams until the postseason,
Speaker 1: except the Yankees and the Red Sox and the Dodgers
Speaker 1: and a couple of bows. Before I let you go,
Speaker 1: would you have signed Tom Brady to that deal if
Speaker 1: you were at ESPN, and would you have made an
Speaker 1: offer like that? No? But ESPN reportedly did you know
Speaker 1: they were involved in the sweepstakes for Tom Brady? They
Speaker 1: were involved. And someone else is running ESPN and doing
Speaker 1: a fine job. But when I was there, I did
Speaker 1: not believe that I would never have paid this kind
Speaker 1: of money for those athletes. What kind of money would
Speaker 1: you have paid that money for Joe Buck and Troy Aikman. Look,
Speaker 1: once again, every time anybody came up by and talk
Speaker 1: to I went by and spoke with Joe Bubb, And
Speaker 1: we would love to have had Joe Bubb, but we
Speaker 1: were not willing to pay the amount of money it
Speaker 1: would take to get in. And then we tried to
Speaker 1: bridge the gap by doing what we talked about at
Speaker 1: the beginning. Right, then we'll give you fifteen other things
Speaker 1: to do. Then maybe we could justify and remember too,
Speaker 1: in a thousand talent, And every time we hired somebody,
Speaker 1: everybody else felt their salary need to be recalibrate. So
Speaker 1: it's a different beast. ESPN's a different mechanism. But they
Speaker 1: want to play, and they're right. They want to play
Speaker 1: in the in the top level game with their NFL football,
Speaker 1: and it's probably a good idea. Well, it feels like
Speaker 1: ESPN spent all of its money on just getting these
Speaker 1: leagues as opposed to the talent, whereas some of the
Speaker 1: other networks, you know, they were forced to spend a
Speaker 1: little bit more on their teme. You know, Tony Romo
Speaker 1: kind of changed everything, didn't he, Yes, yes he did.
Speaker 1: And look again, ESPN is overwhelmingly about volume, right the
Speaker 1: poor handbo way, they're buying the right thing. You have
Speaker 1: to choose, Am, I'm going to buy more rights. We're
Speaker 1: I'm gonna pay Playboy playing analysts more money. I would
Speaker 1: choose more rights. Yeah, John, it's great to talk to
Speaker 1: you as always, and I hope you're doing well. Thanks
Speaker 1: for joining us. Okay, thank you, Dana. I look forward
Speaker 1: to seeing you in the neighborhood one day. Well, and
Speaker 1: maybe we'll show up at Lebotard's next wedding. Oh please
Speaker 1: please no, No, he's not gonna have any more way, Yes, no, No,
Speaker 1: this is the one and none of you love Annahan
Speaker 1: is the anniversary party? The anniversary party. How's that? My
Speaker 1: my bad? I'm thank you, Jo. That's a Johnny Skipper,
Speaker 1: that former boss, co founder CEO of Metal Arc Media.
Speaker 1: You're you're a little tired. I spent an hour on
Speaker 1: the phone with Lebotard last night and he's got a
Speaker 1: lovely wife. How's he doing, Danny LeBatard? He's great, he's
Speaker 1: but he's trying to build something that you know, we
Speaker 1: we've been building for a long time and I've been
Speaker 1: at sounding board whenever he's needed anybody or you know,
Speaker 1: we've talked about it and struggles that you have, and
Speaker 1: you kind of feel like you're on an island. Not
Speaker 1: many people choose to leave ESPN. But Lebotard's in good hands,
Speaker 1: got John Skipper, there a lot of talent, and uh,
Speaker 1: I think very highly a LeBatard. Yes, point, do you
Speaker 1: hear what Lebotard said yesterday about the Tom Brady signing
Speaker 1: or the day before? How do you pay on what's
Speaker 1: four hundred million dollars for someone who's never said anything
Speaker 1: interesting ever? Well, lately, though vacation, Tom has been interested
Speaker 1: in Tampata yeah, Tampa. Tom is interesting. Bob Ryan came
Speaker 1: out with some strong comments. He was with Rich Eyes
Speaker 1: and on his show and said, basically, I hope Fox
Speaker 1: knows what they're getting with Tom Brady, that you know
Speaker 1: he's not going to be a good analyst. It's one
Speaker 1: of those where you know, somebody says, Hey, we're going
Speaker 1: to spend all this money to buy this car. It's unbelievable,
Speaker 1: it's going to be incredible, and then you go, can
Speaker 1: you drive it? No, but I'll learn that's basically what
Speaker 1: you have. We're gonna spend all this money on Tom Brady,
Speaker 1: We're gonna bring him in and then can you can
Speaker 1: you do games? I don't know, sure figure it out.
Speaker 1: And even John Skipper saying, you know that that would
Speaker 1: be one of my questions, but he said it won't matter.
Speaker 1: And I also think sometimes and I was I was
Speaker 1: told that I was incorrect in my approach when we
Speaker 1: were talking about certain members of the media and do
Speaker 1: you want to have them in the studio that you
Speaker 1: get to see them more, because when you watch a game,
Speaker 1: you don't you would get to hear Tom Brady's voice,
Speaker 1: you wouldn't get to see him. But the pregame the
Speaker 1: halftime in the post. You would be able to capitalize.
Speaker 1: You know, Fox did this as well. They spent a
Speaker 1: lot of money on their analyst in the studio with
Speaker 1: Terry Bradshaw, Howie Longed, Michael Strahan, They had Collins, Jimmy Johnson.
Speaker 1: They spent a lot of money there. Now, you did
Speaker 1: have Troy out there with the game, and maybe they
Speaker 1: did it perfectly, but you it feels like a guy
Speaker 1: who looks like Tom Brady. You would want him on
Speaker 1: the set. I could get more out of him there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Mars Tom brady suits are going to be immaculate and
Speaker 1: he's gonna be dressed to a t. I'm gonna have
Speaker 1: the camera on him as much as possible. Oh, we
Speaker 1: missed that touchdown pass, but look at Tom. Yeah, look
Speaker 1: at Tom as We miss missed that touchdown pass. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and you're gonna see coming back from commercial break. Andrew Marshawn,
Speaker 1: the sports media critic reporter, joined us yesterday and he said,
Speaker 1: you're gonna see that coming back from commercial break. It'll
Speaker 1: be not an establisher of the stadium or anything. It'll
Speaker 1: be Tom Brady there with Kevin burkhard as we welcome
Speaker 1: you back to arrowheadon Stadium. Tom. Yes, you know how
Speaker 1: they opened the game, So they opened the coverage and
Speaker 1: what the pregame shows and they show like the quarterback
Speaker 1: walking in with his headset and stuff like that, instead
Speaker 1: like if they do a Jaguars game, it's Trevor Lawrence
Speaker 1: walking with his head Tom Brady here to call Trevor
Speaker 1: Lawrence and the Jaguars and Tom walking in with his crew.
Speaker 1: Let's take a break. Phone calls coming up back after this.
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Speaker 1: podcast age seven seven three DP show email ANDRESSDPA, Dan
Speaker 1: Patrick dot com, Twitter handle a DP show. I thought
Speaker 1: John Skipper was good some of the insights there, and
Speaker 1: then I wanted to ask him before I let him go,
Speaker 1: if you were at ESPN or you were at Fox,
Speaker 1: would you have signed Tom Brady to that deal? And
Speaker 1: he said no. Joe and Ohamaha, Hey Joe, what's on
Speaker 1: your mind today? Hey? DP, Hey, hey DP Hey. Um.
Speaker 1: I was thinking about this when you guys were talking
Speaker 1: about this, because I was thinking about my wife. I
Speaker 1: was thinking about people at the office. There are a
Speaker 1: lot of people, rightly or wrongly, that don't like Tom Brady,
Speaker 1: and I'm not so sure that the rest of the
Speaker 1: world is chopping at the bit to listen to this guy.
Speaker 1: This isn't like Michael Jordan or Wayne Gretzky, who kind
Speaker 1: of were universally liked other than the rivals in sports.
Speaker 1: But yeah, universally they were liked. And Brady's going, he's you.
Speaker 1: He was on a team that alleged be cheated. He's
Speaker 1: got everything in the world, charmed life. He's kind of
Speaker 1: you know, I don't. I'm not gonna say dull, but
Speaker 1: he's just sort of monotone when he talks. And there's
Speaker 1: a lot of people, rightly or wrong again, who sort
Speaker 1: of resented and they don't like it. And I don't
Speaker 1: know that the NFL's product is so good that I
Speaker 1: don't think people aren't gonna not tune in, but they
Speaker 1: might tune it off. And I, you know, it's just
Speaker 1: he's not somebody that I think everybody's going awesome. I'm
Speaker 1: so glad I can watch that now. Well, yeah, and
Speaker 1: those are all fair points, Joe, thanks for the phone call. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: I don't know if Tom can do it. You would
Speaker 1: think Boy's got all that knowledge. Well so did Drew Brees,
Speaker 1: but Drew Brees wasn't able to compartmentalize calling a game
Speaker 1: as opposed to playing in a game. Tony Romo changed everything.
Speaker 1: But he's sort of like that wild stallion running around
Speaker 1: doing whatever he wants to do, freelancing. You know, the
Speaker 1: hard part is really you know, the play by playbook
Speaker 1: Jim Nance has the hard part because he has to
Speaker 1: set up Tony. Let Tony say what he's gonna say forever,
Speaker 1: you know, for however long he's going to say it
Speaker 1: and then grab it and then do the play by play.
Speaker 1: That's the hard part. Kevin Burkhard is going to have
Speaker 1: the heavy lifting here. He's got to put Tom Brady
Speaker 1: in a position to succeed. Play to his strengths there.
Speaker 1: But I think getting Tom Brady to bring you inside
Speaker 1: the huddle, take you to the line of scrimmage. It's
Speaker 1: all about immersive, you know, the broadcast now getting you
Speaker 1: closer to the game. If I have Tom Brady and
Speaker 1: I mentioned call it Tom Cam and he just you know,
Speaker 1: the angle is from behind the quarterback. Let's say Aaron
Speaker 1: Rodgers is playing the Bears. It'll be Sunday night, Week two.
Speaker 1: Tom Brady would be doing the game. Tom Brady would
Speaker 1: take you behind Aaron Rodgers going to the line of
Speaker 1: scrimmage or being in the shotgun in real time. You know,
Speaker 1: you would have your announcer set up what it is,
Speaker 1: you know, third and seven from you know, the twenty three,
Speaker 1: and then you have Tom Brady saying, okay, you see
Speaker 1: that linebacker there, he's coming, And then I got this.
Speaker 1: I would check down over here and the guy who
Speaker 1: is my hot receiver is going to be my tight
Speaker 1: end and then the play is called. Well, if it's
Speaker 1: either what he says it should be or it's something different,
Speaker 1: now you come back, now you analyze it. I get
Speaker 1: Tom Brady quarterbacking almost armchair quarterback for Aaron Rodgers and
Speaker 1: some of these other quarterbacks that to me would be interesting.
Speaker 1: But I don't know if Tom is going to be
Speaker 1: vacation Tom, Tampa Tom, and or is he going to
Speaker 1: be a little bit more buttoned up like he was
Speaker 1: with New England. I don't know. It's a lot of money,
Speaker 1: and it's not just he's going to be a football analyst.
Speaker 1: You're buying a brand here, Yes, Paul, you know one
Speaker 1: thing about the Manning cast is Peyton has room to
Speaker 1: be an analyst during certain plays and room to be
Speaker 1: a storyteller during certain times. I don't know if you
Speaker 1: had that much room during a game. Hopefully Brady is
Speaker 1: like John Smoltz with baseball, because Smoltz knows so much more.
Speaker 1: And like when I watch a baseball game, Smoltz in
Speaker 1: ten seconds will explain the situation. You're like, oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: I get it. I see it. Because Smoltz is playing chess.
Speaker 1: He sees every move before and after the play, but
Speaker 1: you have to be see. I don't know how Tom
Speaker 1: will approach this if he's going to be forthcoming with information.
Speaker 1: He spent an entire career of not telling you anything,
Speaker 1: purposely not telling you. Now we've gotten a better sample
Speaker 1: size of that sense of humor the last couple of
Speaker 1: years in Tampa. But I think that's the interesting part.
Speaker 1: What who is Tom Brady when he gets into the
Speaker 1: booth and what are those strengths going to be? And
Speaker 1: we're going to know right away because you know, Drew
Speaker 1: Brees was in the studio. And I don't mean to
Speaker 1: pick on Drew. I'm just saying that here's a marquee guy,
Speaker 1: a Hall of Famer, and you know, was he better
Speaker 1: as a quarterback than he was going to be as
Speaker 1: an analyst who was analyzing quarterbacks. Yeah, there was possibility
Speaker 1: that he might be leaving NBC. I don't even know
Speaker 1: what that status is, but he might be trying to
Speaker 1: do more games. But I thought that that's where he struggled.
Speaker 1: And you wouldn't think that you would say, oh, Drew Brees,
Speaker 1: he's going to be a home run. NBC hired him
Speaker 1: before he retired, and it's that we think he's going
Speaker 1: to be good. You're just not sure. And I've seen
Speaker 1: great players who weren't great analyst and vice versa. And
Speaker 1: sometimes if you don't have that status, you work. Dan
Speaker 1: Orlovsky to me is great, Chris Simms great, They weren't
Speaker 1: great quarterbacks. They work hard at it. Final hour coming up,
Speaker 1: more of your phone calls and we'll check him with
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