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Speaker 1: Am I the a hole dropping out of a wedding

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Speaker 1: party due to ex boyfriend being invited? Do you bring

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Speaker 1: your ex boyfriend everywhere?

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Speaker 2: Ooh ooh, I feel like off title, I think you

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Speaker 2: should still go.

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Speaker 1: Well, this comes for it, we'll see. This comes from

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Speaker 1: working log forty six seventy seven, who says, I, twenty

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Speaker 1: five female dated a boy Ronald four years ago. To

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Speaker 1: sum up what could be its own Reddit post. He

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Speaker 1: was extremely abusive and I was finally diagnosed with PTSD

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Speaker 1: about a year ago, and in.

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Speaker 2: That case, he should be uninvited exactly what?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? What? An important note is that I did not

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Speaker 1: leave the relationship cleanly. Toward the end of the relationship,

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Speaker 1: a mutual friend named Alex was giving me advice on

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Speaker 1: how to fix my wreck of a relationship with Ronald.

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Speaker 1: That conversation turned into spicy texting for a few days

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Speaker 1: prior to me a officially breaking it off with Ronald.

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Speaker 1: When when I broke up with him, I told him everything.

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Speaker 1: I am aware I cheated and am the a hole

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Speaker 1: for how I ended my previous relationship.

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Speaker 2: That is that is a messy situation.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's you know it? Yeah? Yeah, that sucks

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Speaker 1: when we broke up, Ronald took my phone and screenshot

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Speaker 1: at some of the messages Alex and I sent to

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Speaker 1: each other. Ronald took those screenshots sent them to Alex

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Speaker 1: and Ronald's mutual friends, one being Trad. Alex and Trad

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Speaker 1: are best friends. So basically, it's Trad.

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Speaker 2: Is that a name?

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Speaker 1: That's a name?

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Speaker 2: I've ever heard that name in my life?

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Speaker 1: Rad? Good old Tad.

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Speaker 2: You know Trad. You've heard of Chad, You've heard of Brad,

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Speaker 2: but have you heard of Trad?

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Speaker 1: The ultimate ad ad name. So basically Ronald like blew

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Speaker 1: it up in Opie's whole friend group, essentially like outing

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Speaker 1: Ops as a cheater to everybody or forked for cheating

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Speaker 1: or spicy texting in front of it. Also tel d

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Speaker 1: R it's our REDI Jane. Alex and I dated for

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Speaker 1: three years before then getting married six months ago, so

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Speaker 1: now they're married. In between my breakup with Ronald and

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Speaker 1: marrying Alex, I befriended Trad's soon to be wife, Carly,

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Speaker 1: and she was a bridesmaid in our wedding?

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Speaker 2: Are there not like different friends?

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Speaker 1: Like?

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Speaker 2: How is? How is everyone so tied together?

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Speaker 1: Everyone must marry everyone?

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Speaker 2: That's crazy?

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Speaker 1: That's the rule. It must it must be. When Ronald

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Speaker 1: and I broke up, Trad insisted on staying neutral in

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Speaker 1: our breakup. Despite being neutral, he did completely listen to

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Speaker 1: Ronald's side of the story, but never wanted to hear

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Speaker 1: my side of the story due to it being done

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Speaker 1: and over with. Remember, OPI was also in a abusive.

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Speaker 2: Use of relationship that she has PTSD from.

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Speaker 1: Literally prior to Carly and Trad becoming engaged, we knew

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Speaker 1: Trad was proposing. I had brought up that I was

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Speaker 1: worried about Ronald's being at the wedding due to my

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Speaker 1: get a restraining order against him, but he appealed it

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Speaker 1: him and Trad not being that close. That later changed why.

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Speaker 1: I hopefully will at least get figured out why soon,

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Speaker 1: and I once again expressed I was worried and told

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Speaker 1: possibility of me having a panic attack and a setback.

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Speaker 1: I want to make it clear I never once asked

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Speaker 1: them to choose between me or him, because I recognized

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Speaker 1: that that was not fair. The only thing that maybe

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Speaker 1: stepping over to line was I suggested myself being a

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Speaker 1: My thought process with this was so that we could

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Speaker 1: both be included in a safe way, which to me,

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Speaker 1: if that's merely a suggestion, I mean Opie's trying to

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Speaker 2: I I feel like op is making an angel move

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Speaker 1: It's like.

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Speaker 2: She is I feel entitled to be like I do

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Speaker 2: not want like I I just don't think you should

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Speaker 2: invite this person to the wedding. But she's like recognizing,

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Speaker 2: all right, they have their own friendship and whatever. And

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Speaker 2: I recognize that I can't control everything in people's perceptions.

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Speaker 2: So she's offering all these solutions. Literally, she's just like,

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Speaker 2: I'm like, here are the three options.

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Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 2: If he's going to the whole wedding, then I probably

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Speaker 2: won't go, but if you want both of us to

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Speaker 2: be there, maybe it's like you know, we we we

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Speaker 2: switch off wedding versus reception. I feel like that is

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Speaker 2: the best solution possible and super empathetic.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and also I was trying to see because I

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Speaker 1: know the full story of their history and the abuse

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Speaker 1: that Ronald.

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Speaker 2: Dies, Well, it does not. I don't think Opee has

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Speaker 2: had the opportunity to talk about her side of the story,

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Speaker 2: at least to Trad. And I don't think uh to

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Speaker 1: Yeah, like if if, if Trad is still befriending, and

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Speaker 1: like if I had it from a source, like I

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Speaker 1: the way that he is like listening to Ronald's story

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Speaker 1: but not Opie's.

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Speaker 2: And I don't think I don't think he knows otherwise

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Speaker 2: he wouldn't be so down to invite Ronald, especially because

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Speaker 2: it's like not it's not like a close friend of his.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's that's true, But Opie continues,

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Speaker 1: I did, though, express my concerns on multiple occasions, and

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Speaker 1: what very open about communication. Carly was aware of all

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Speaker 2: And still was okay with inviting Ronald. That seems whack.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that seems super whack, which if Carly knows, Trad

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Speaker 1: when I brought up my concerns, she she she seemed

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Speaker 1: did not make it work, and I got cut out

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Speaker 1: of a lot of things quickly but passively. When I

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Speaker 1: eventually dropped out. When when Carly and Trad did get engaged,

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Speaker 1: I said yes to being in their wedding party, and

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Speaker 1: attending the wedding, but he's not a groomsman. He's not

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Speaker 1: People in the actual ceremony itself, which is like a

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Speaker 1: So Opie is at this point still going to the wedding,

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Speaker 1: so probably will see Ronald, but she's not in the

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Speaker 1: uh the wedding party with much deeper, closer time it's

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Speaker 1: some of my closest friends and I wanted to be

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Speaker 1: there for them. Are they being there for you?

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Speaker 2: It doesn't sound like I mean, if they're Ronald side

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Speaker 2: of the story, are they really caring about you?

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Speaker 1: Exactly Trad literally from all the context we have, like

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Speaker 1: sat down to hear Opie's side of the story. This

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Speaker 1: maybe op is an angel and Opie is giving them

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Speaker 2: Yeah, which is very obvious from how she's been talking

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Speaker 2: about this situation, where it's like this person did so

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Speaker 2: much wrong to me, but I'm okay with them attending

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Speaker 2: some of the wedding. I just don't. The only reason

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Speaker 1: Literally like op Opie is probably doing. Opie just said

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Speaker 1: they just got diagnosed with PTSD. That is the tip

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Speaker 2: Was going, just starting the process.

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Speaker 1: Literally, and to have to be confronted with that again,

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Speaker 1: and the fact that that Trad and Carli are okay

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Speaker 1: we got the official confirmation that Ronald had RSVP'd yes.

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Speaker 1: Due to my husband Alex worried about my mental state,

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Speaker 1: with me. He immediately informed the couple and let them know.

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Speaker 1: This was two months before the wedding. My husband then

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Speaker 1: got a very angry text from Trad through Trad like

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Speaker 1: was clear that Trad was very ignorant to my PTSD

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Speaker 2: Why wouldn't Carly share that? So maybe she felt like

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Speaker 2: it was not her place to share. Potentially, Yeah, maybe

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Speaker 1: Maybe yeah, maybe Trad is actually like is actually unaware.

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Speaker 1: My husband Alex did set Tad straight and he pulled

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Speaker 1: it's best that I not come. Oh, because they care

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Speaker 1: about me and don't want to put me in that situation.

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Speaker 2: That is no, I feel that is the worst thing

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Speaker 2: that Yeah, and it's kind of like it's kind of meaningless.

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Speaker 2: It's kind of meaningless. It's like, hey, like it's it's

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Speaker 2: it's basically like inviting your friend to jump off a

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Speaker 2: you jump off the building without a parachute. But like

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Speaker 2: totally understand if you can't do that, better for you

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Speaker 2: just not to come.

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Speaker 1: Or like firing someone. Oh I'm gone, Oh did.

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Speaker 2: You say that? But were you about to say something

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Speaker 1: That's good? Thanks, but you can't see me get you

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Speaker 1: want to we can have a little slight discussion and

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Speaker 2: Yes, but I I feel it. What a What what

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Speaker 1: Like, do you really think that having someone like Ronald

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Speaker 1: I've gotta say it was very good, but that my

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's really it's super condescending. It's like, of course

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, at least either way, f you like that

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Speaker 1: They told my husband to think about it, but stated

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Speaker 1: Neither one of us will be going to the wedding.

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Speaker 1: Thank god, they don't deserve it. We are devastated. I

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Speaker 2: Yeah my god.

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Speaker 1: A week later, we see that Carly has unfriended us

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Speaker 1: just go donnith Dinna's.

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Speaker 2: God honestly good dropper, drop it is. You don't need

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Speaker 2: None of if none of your friends are standing up

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Speaker 1: See thanks, Sophia. Look at that, Sophia. I don't object.

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Speaker 1: So I'm crushed that it all ended like this. I

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Speaker 1: One hundred percent. I think again in context of everything,

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Speaker 2: I knew from the moment I heard that name. That's right,

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Speaker 1: My mother. Trad no Triad, Yes, I'll go. I'm good

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Speaker 1: with Tryad put an eye in that Triathlon.

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Speaker 2: That's a great name. Are there any kids name Marathon?

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Speaker 1: Have to be it's kind of a cool name. May

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Speaker 1: what if their name was Mary and then last name Marathon?

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Speaker 1: And just to be super duper clear, is Op the ahle?

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Speaker 2: No? Oh no, no, I did not think so at

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Speaker 2: all unanimous I think of anything OPI is the angel?

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Speaker 1: edit number one Trad Trad, I believe is still friends

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Speaker 2: don't like my girl, Well, I don't like you.

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Speaker 1: There's the door. I am the ever present boyfriend. I

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Speaker 1: I brought it up to show I am so scared

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Speaker 1: to just confirm, uh, Trad and Carly were both basically

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Speaker 1: they took Ronald's.

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Speaker 2: Side, which is show they were They were not your friends.

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Speaker 1: Never they were never friends to begin with.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, wow, what trash people like corumba trash trash, trash trash. Shoot,

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Speaker 2: huh Yeah, I don't think Op's the a hole at all.

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Speaker 2: And I think this is a very uh, very like

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Speaker 2: I mean, if it's equal hurt, try to accommodate, accommodate

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Speaker 2: them both. I think this happens a lot when you're

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Speaker 2: Like like whether the thing that I was just talking about,

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Speaker 2: that's a breakup where there is no abuse.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, a typical like non abusive, just like quote unquote

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Speaker 2: But in a standard breakup thing, like you, the thing

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Speaker 2: to this thing like you know you you you kind

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Speaker 2: of split time. Yeah, And they didn't even do that,

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Speaker 2: knowing the abuse. They didn't even do that. That's like

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Speaker 2: the minimum They won.

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Speaker 1: Sided with Ronald the abuser and lied to Opie's face

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Speaker 1: and tried to look like the good guy and the.

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Speaker 2: And the angel when they were the devil incredibly whack,

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Speaker 2: incredibly whack. Yep, but that's where that story ends.

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Speaker 1: That's it. But with that, I think that's a rapid

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Speaker 1: Time for okop rewhack. Am I the a hole for

438
00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:55,840
Speaker 1: telling my pregnant fiance to just get over herself?

439
00:23:56,080 --> 00:24:00,399
Speaker 2: You're only only pregnant on geez, you're trying to grow

440
00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:01,920
Speaker 2: a life or something exactly.

441
00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:05,760
Speaker 1: Get a life, O man. I got a dog two

442
00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:08,199
Speaker 1: years ago, a Corky, and she is very much so

443
00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:12,400
Speaker 1: my sweet little sidekick. I've been with my fiance for

444
00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:14,960
Speaker 1: about five years. My fiance does like the dog, but

445
00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:18,920
Speaker 1: she's currently pregnant and experiencing massive migrains and has been

446
00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:23,800
Speaker 1: snapping at everything. So every morning when I get up,

447
00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:27,200
Speaker 1: I find my fiance already waken at the table relaxing.

448
00:24:27,359 --> 00:24:29,320
Speaker 1: As soon as I get out of bed, my dog

449
00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:34,600
Speaker 1: goes nuts. It's like super energy where she's running sideways,

450
00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:36,639
Speaker 1: barking up a storm, jumping on the bed to the

451
00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:39,760
Speaker 1: floor a million times, causing the apartment to shake because

452
00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:44,160
Speaker 1: it's old as fuck. Corky, get a new apartment apartment

453
00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:51,960
Speaker 1: because a dog is jumping around, maybe a human, not

454
00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:55,160
Speaker 1: a gorky. And I would just sit there and sing

455
00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:57,919
Speaker 1: made up songs to her and just fuck around with her.

456
00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:02,960
Speaker 2: Cooky little I wish you were a little frog.

457
00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:05,560
Speaker 1: Jumping all day, barking all night.

458
00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:08,360
Speaker 2: Now you're going to make my fiance.

459
00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:10,720
Speaker 1: And I like, wow, that was beautiful. I feel like

460
00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:13,880
Speaker 1: it's exactly the song that he's said. He's like, how

461
00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:16,439
Speaker 1: did you know? Now? It can be pretty noisy, and

462
00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:17,680
Speaker 1: I can be loud.

463
00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:18,640
Speaker 2: Yeah you can.

464
00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:21,639
Speaker 1: It's just my way of interacting with my pet. I

465
00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:24,159
Speaker 1: also have ADHD, so I'm fully aware I can be

466
00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:28,639
Speaker 1: ridiculously loud sometimes and I simply forget to tone it down. Okay,

467
00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:31,360
Speaker 1: my fiance has complained about it a few times, and

468
00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:34,800
Speaker 1: I will absolutely try to tone it down for a while,

469
00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:37,840
Speaker 1: But as fucked up as it sounds, the second she

470
00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:40,679
Speaker 1: stops complaining and is out of sight, out of mind,

471
00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:42,200
Speaker 1: I start doing it again.

472
00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:45,320
Speaker 2: I just want to be loud and proud with my Corky,

473
00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:46,440
Speaker 2: my little sidekick.

474
00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:49,639
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, if I catch myself, I apologize immediately. But

475
00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:52,640
Speaker 1: sometimes I don't even catch myself doing it. You don't

476
00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:57,960
Speaker 1: quote unquote catch yourself, or you just are doing it.

477
00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:00,960
Speaker 2: Sounds like OP is being like not super considerate.

478
00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:05,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, so she has been getting up earlier than normal

479
00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:07,760
Speaker 1: because she says she needs peace and quiet away from

480
00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:10,360
Speaker 1: you and the dog, but because she can't hear herself

481
00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:12,520
Speaker 1: think when we get up, and then she starts getting

482
00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:16,520
Speaker 1: migraines and being overall pissed off. But now she is

483
00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:19,879
Speaker 1: complaining because I can sense her not in the bed anymore.

484
00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:23,040
Speaker 1: Probably after twenty minutes of her being gone and her

485
00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:26,280
Speaker 1: warmth no longer there, and then I'm wide awake with

486
00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:28,920
Speaker 1: the dog, and then I'm wide awake and the dog

487
00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:31,960
Speaker 1: senses it, so you know, I guess they get they

488
00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:35,199
Speaker 1: get up. Basically, it doesn't matter how early she gets up.

489
00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:37,360
Speaker 1: It seems like a little bit after she's gone, they

490
00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:38,320
Speaker 1: start stirring.

491
00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:41,480
Speaker 2: Back because OPE can't deal with the absence of her warmth.

492
00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:43,840
Speaker 1: Literally, it's like, which is kind of cute, I guess,

493
00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:47,440
Speaker 1: but it would be cute if it wasn't destructive. Yeah,

494
00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:50,720
Speaker 1: exactly if it wasn't destructive. She's now getting pissed because

495
00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:53,159
Speaker 1: she thinks I'm purposely not letting her have space and

496
00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:56,840
Speaker 1: purposely annoying her with my behaviors. Okay, sounds like it,

497
00:26:56,880 --> 00:26:58,280
Speaker 1: but we'll keep.

498
00:26:58,119 --> 00:27:02,320
Speaker 2: Well, this is all these assholes in they.

499
00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:04,880
Speaker 1: Oh, I found I found that get so many where

500
00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:07,280
Speaker 1: they're actually not the AO. I wanted a couple tight

501
00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:12,240
Speaker 1: assholes today. I'm not truly, but it seems like, I guess, Okay,

502
00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:15,479
Speaker 1: you come on, bro, you're an asshole. I've tried just

503
00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:17,760
Speaker 1: laying in bed for a while so she can relax,

504
00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:20,399
Speaker 1: but I get stir crazy and I also don't feel

505
00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:22,320
Speaker 1: like I should have to stay in bed so she

506
00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:25,080
Speaker 1: can be alone when I live here too. But she

507
00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:27,640
Speaker 1: flipped this morning. I felt her sneaking out of bed

508
00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:30,359
Speaker 1: at five am and tiptoe out of the room. I

509
00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:33,919
Speaker 1: watched her sit at the table with her book. Well,

510
00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:37,119
Speaker 1: you guessed it. The dog saw me awake and immediately

511
00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:41,040
Speaker 1: goes ballistic, jumping on the bed, whining, barking, et cetera.

512
00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:43,400
Speaker 1: She comes in and says, well, you guys, calm down

513
00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:45,480
Speaker 1: so I can have some time to myself for once.

514
00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:48,280
Speaker 1: I just side eyed her because I'm getting pissed at

515
00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:49,600
Speaker 1: this point with her demands.

516
00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:52,880
Speaker 2: Oh you want a relaxing moment without dog barking?

517
00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:58,280
Speaker 1: Excuse me, no, serrito, that's all right, she says, Well,

518
00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:01,760
Speaker 1: I tell her, you know yourself, My god.

519
00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:04,840
Speaker 3: Just because she's pregnant, does it mean I have to

520
00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:08,440
Speaker 3: change who I am, or change how the household works,

521
00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:13,399
Speaker 3: or change my dynamic with my tom This guy is terrible.

522
00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:15,840
Speaker 1: Oh, just stay.

523
00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:18,720
Speaker 2: In bed, that's all she's asking. Like, get up, get

524
00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:20,879
Speaker 2: up at the time that you usually get up. That

525
00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:21,800
Speaker 2: is literally all.

526
00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:25,080
Speaker 1: She immediately left after telling me to go fuck myself

527
00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:29,800
Speaker 1: and won't answer my calls she's been gone six salas.

528
00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:32,520
Speaker 2: Yo, Oh he's a huge a hole. You're just a gaping,

529
00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:37,200
Speaker 2: gaping sphincter. But my guy, but you.

530
00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:40,320
Speaker 1: Know what else you should put in gaping sphincters saying?

531
00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:42,720
Speaker 1: What your stories that are slashed?

532
00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:46,080
Speaker 2: Okayopay, show please submit them so we can read them.

533
00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:48,720
Speaker 1: Yes, baby, am I the a hole for ending my

534
00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:54,360
Speaker 1: sister's pregnancy and possibly her marriage? Uh? Yes, yes, I

535
00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:57,160
Speaker 1: don't know what one one might think, but you know,

536
00:28:57,240 --> 00:28:59,440
Speaker 1: don't don't judge a title by its cover. We gotta

537
00:28:59,480 --> 00:28:59,960
Speaker 1: we gotta take it.

538
00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:02,240
Speaker 2: We got a dead we got a sleuth, we got

539
00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:05,600
Speaker 2: a slog. We got a sleuth more than Adam.

540
00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:08,360
Speaker 1: Lebean trying to find a way to recover his career.

541
00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:09,200
Speaker 2: We go.

542
00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:12,680
Speaker 1: I male thirty two, have two older brothers, male thirty

543
00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:16,480
Speaker 1: eight and male forty, and his sister female thirty four. No,

544
00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:18,880
Speaker 1: the age differences, so him and his sister are younger.

545
00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:21,280
Speaker 1: The two brothers are, you know, quite a few years old.

546
00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:21,800
Speaker 2: Yeah cool.

547
00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:24,800
Speaker 1: Our family was relatively modest when my brothers grew up,

548
00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:28,240
Speaker 1: so they were cared for a lot by my parents' families,

549
00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:30,680
Speaker 1: who were very conservative by the time that me and

550
00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:33,320
Speaker 1: my sister were born. Our dad's career was going great

551
00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:35,440
Speaker 1: and we were well off. Me and my sister have

552
00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:38,520
Speaker 1: master's degrees, while our brothers didn't go to college despite

553
00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:40,120
Speaker 1: the funds and chances, which is.

554
00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:42,080
Speaker 2: Like subtle drag.

555
00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:45,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, subtle drag, Like not so subtle subtle drag there

556
00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:49,560
Speaker 1: on the brothers little elitists. Brothers are a bunch of birds,

557
00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:53,080
Speaker 1: bunch of bozos. My mom had been trying to set

558
00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:55,719
Speaker 1: up my sister with a churchgoer's kid, you know, like

559
00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:59,160
Speaker 1: to get married and whatnot. This did not progress until

560
00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:01,920
Speaker 1: around the time that my dad died and my sister

561
00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:04,400
Speaker 1: came back and helped with a funeral. My brother's families

562
00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:06,560
Speaker 1: are both in our hometown as well. I worked in

563
00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:09,040
Speaker 1: Tech and China at that time, and I now live

564
00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:12,600
Speaker 1: in SF And since the funeral, I've been mostly low

565
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:16,040
Speaker 1: contact with everyone in my family except my sister. Honestly,

566
00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:18,480
Speaker 1: I was very close with my dad, and there was

567
00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:23,440
Speaker 1: obvious favoritism towards me, which the others did not like, which.

568
00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:26,840
Speaker 2: I feel like Opie is just talking themselves up right.

569
00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:32,880
Speaker 2: I'm sure my brothers were more educated. The dad liked desibore.

570
00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:34,400
Speaker 1: Like making money in China. And SFI.

571
00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:37,000
Speaker 2: That's such as a total bru moment. But you know

572
00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:39,480
Speaker 2: what's better than saying Brah buy and Bra buy our

573
00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:40,360
Speaker 2: merch that's right.

574
00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:43,040
Speaker 1: So at this point, my mom and oldest brother now

575
00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:46,560
Speaker 1: technically live in the family house. My sister somehow ended

576
00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:49,440
Speaker 1: up leaving her career and moving back to the hometown.

577
00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:51,959
Speaker 1: She then married the man that my mom set her

578
00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:54,560
Speaker 1: up with in twenty nineteen, the churchgoers kid. I honestly

579
00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:56,800
Speaker 1: was in shock at the wedding. I really didn't ever

580
00:30:56,840 --> 00:30:59,280
Speaker 1: see my sister living on a farm and becoming a

581
00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:01,960
Speaker 1: stay at home. I knew for a fact my mom

582
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:04,600
Speaker 1: and brothers were a huge part of this because there

583
00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:07,080
Speaker 1: was a lot of she's back home posts on their

584
00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:09,920
Speaker 1: social media, and later I also found out that my

585
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:13,040
Speaker 1: sister had pretty much given all of her savings to

586
00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:16,520
Speaker 1: the husband. Really, so here's this, like, you know, master's degree,

587
00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:18,920
Speaker 1: you know, a woman woman, you know, crushing it, and

588
00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:21,520
Speaker 1: then she becomes a farmer's wife and gives a husband

589
00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:22,840
Speaker 1: all of her money.

590
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:26,440
Speaker 2: Girl, keep your money, keep keep your money. Get that

591
00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:27,360
Speaker 2: preyed up now.

592
00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:30,400
Speaker 1: Later in twenty twenty, my sister straight out of the

593
00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:33,920
Speaker 1: blue called me about just chatting and of course I

594
00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:36,800
Speaker 1: loved this. Early in twenty twenty one, my mom told

595
00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:39,440
Speaker 1: me that my sister was pregnant. I immediately asked my

596
00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:43,200
Speaker 1: sister about this, and she pretty much broke down. In short,

597
00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:47,080
Speaker 1: the husband has been very abusive, she's broke and my

598
00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:49,320
Speaker 1: family and her in laws having helped.

599
00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:49,719
Speaker 2: Wow.

600
00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:52,440
Speaker 1: Can you imagine, like, oh my god, terrible situation and

601
00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:54,880
Speaker 1: her family pressured her into it, and now they're not

602
00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:55,440
Speaker 1: helping her.

603
00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:57,560
Speaker 2: She's they pressured her into the marriage.

604
00:31:57,640 --> 00:32:00,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like who's who's your kid? The farmer or your

605
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:01,400
Speaker 1: freaking kid?

606
00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:02,280
Speaker 2: Yeah? Sheeeese.

607
00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:05,160
Speaker 1: My oldest brother yelled at her about how his wife

608
00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:08,040
Speaker 1: went through the same thing, and my sister should stop

609
00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:09,840
Speaker 1: thinking she's special toxic.

610
00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:13,840
Speaker 2: Wait, his wife went to the same thing as as

611
00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:17,280
Speaker 2: big Like yeah, like being abused? Did you just admit

612
00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:18,400
Speaker 2: to abusing your wife?

613
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:18,720
Speaker 1: Dude?

614
00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:23,480
Speaker 2: Doing seriously, God, go back to school, get an education

615
00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:24,520
Speaker 2: and not.

616
00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:27,960
Speaker 1: Being the first time she called me he had kicked

617
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:31,520
Speaker 1: her out of the home for complaining about their finances,

618
00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:34,520
Speaker 1: and that this was fairly common. This is where I

619
00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:37,960
Speaker 1: might be the a hole. I basically yelled at her too.

620
00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:41,280
Speaker 1: I told her that she had a career which she

621
00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:43,680
Speaker 1: can go back to and I can help her move

622
00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:46,800
Speaker 1: back to NYC where she worked and studied before. It's

623
00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:48,960
Speaker 1: nice to the brother, but the thing is, he's like

624
00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:51,920
Speaker 1: yelling at her. He's like, you have a career, Like

625
00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:53,800
Speaker 1: why don't you go back to New York? What are

626
00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:55,760
Speaker 1: you doing? Like why are you staying here?

627
00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:58,040
Speaker 2: I guess it could have been handle better, but the

628
00:32:58,080 --> 00:32:59,840
Speaker 2: sentiment is nice, like I'm going to help you build

629
00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:00,640
Speaker 2: your life back to hear.

630
00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:03,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, the sentiment was nice, and he finished off

631
00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:05,960
Speaker 1: by saying that the pregnancy wasn't the end of it

632
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:08,200
Speaker 1: and that there are other options. The next day, she

633
00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:10,640
Speaker 1: asked me for five thousand dollars, which I sent to

634
00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:13,720
Speaker 1: her without asking anything. I didn't hear much after that

635
00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:16,560
Speaker 1: and didn't intrude because it was just a total mind

636
00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:19,000
Speaker 1: f to me. A month later, my sister told me

637
00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:21,239
Speaker 1: that she had gotten a new job at NYC and

638
00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:22,240
Speaker 1: filed for divorce.

639
00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:24,160
Speaker 2: Wow, okay, God, so we go.

640
00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:26,560
Speaker 1: You know, she she's moving back in a good direction

641
00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:31,120
Speaker 1: and also the pregnancy is no longer on the table now.

642
00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:34,400
Speaker 1: My family has been blowing up on social media, calling

643
00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:37,200
Speaker 1: me in all sorts of bs. I've in general clapped

644
00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:39,280
Speaker 1: back at them, and it looks like the home might

645
00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:41,360
Speaker 1: be on the market soon. My sister needed to switch

646
00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:44,520
Speaker 1: apartments and got a restraining order against her ex as well.

647
00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:48,760
Speaker 1: Oh things are not so great right now, zam, But

648
00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:51,640
Speaker 1: I'm happy that my sister is better. So the question

649
00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:52,960
Speaker 1: is am I the A hole?

650
00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:56,040
Speaker 2: I mean, you could have maybe been a little bit nicer,

651
00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:58,800
Speaker 2: but I'd say, overall, you're trying to help your sisters,

652
00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:01,160
Speaker 2: So I'd say not the a hole.

653
00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:03,480
Speaker 1: And I would actually disagree a little bit. I think

654
00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:06,920
Speaker 1: that the fact, like, dude, she's she's been beaten by

655
00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:10,080
Speaker 1: this guy, beat her, stole her money. You know, she

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Speaker 1: has a baby with the guy, which she doesn't want,

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Speaker 1: you know, anything to do with, and now another person

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Speaker 1: is yelling at her, Like I could just see even

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Speaker 1: though it's like the right message.

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Speaker 2: Like yeah, like the tough love is maybe not what

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Speaker 2: this person needs right now. Honesty without empathy is cruelty. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: And I feel like the brother might be being a

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Speaker 2: little cruel.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but at least like the advice he gave her

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Speaker 1: is what she followed, which seems to like she'll get

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Speaker 1: her own money back, she'll you know, life hopefully rebuild

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Speaker 1: her life.

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Speaker 2: She's