WEBVTT - It's a Numbers Game: The Numbers Behind Iran's Nuclear Threat 0:00:01.639 --> 0:00:04.000 Welcome back to a numbers game with Ryan Gerdusky. I 0:00:04.000 --> 0:00:06.120 want to thank you all for being here another week. 0:00:06.160 --> 0:00:09.240 Happy Monday. I hope you all enjoyed the last week's 0:00:09.240 --> 0:00:11.920 episodes on the Pope and demographics. It couldn't have come 0:00:11.960 --> 0:00:15.680 at a better time because we have a new Pope. 0:00:15.720 --> 0:00:20.320 It's big news for all the Catholics. Last Thursday, May eighth, 0:00:20.360 --> 0:00:25.639 we elected our first American Pope. I, as a lifelong 0:00:25.680 --> 0:00:29.240 cradle Catholic, never in my life believed I would ever 0:00:29.320 --> 0:00:34.200 see an American pope. A Cardinal Robert provost Is from 0:00:34.280 --> 0:00:37.400 Chicago is our new Pope. He has taken a name 0:00:37.440 --> 0:00:40.919 of Poplio the fourteenth. Once again, very exciting for Catholics. 0:00:40.920 --> 0:00:43.440 No matter how you kind of fill out on the 0:00:43.840 --> 0:00:47.239 how religious you are American Catholics, it must be what 0:00:47.280 --> 0:00:49.920 it must felt like for black Americans to see Obama 0:00:49.960 --> 0:00:51.920 get elected. You just never thought you would see the 0:00:52.000 --> 0:00:55.480 day an American Catholic would ever be. We rise the 0:00:55.520 --> 0:00:59.040 position of the Pope. Some little facts about him to 0:00:59.080 --> 0:01:01.319 go off of last week's episode. He's considered a more 0:01:01.360 --> 0:01:07.000 moderate pope. He is less open than Francis, but more 0:01:07.000 --> 0:01:09.759 of a centrist. He's not as I guess liberal as 0:01:09.760 --> 0:01:12.200 Francis is and some doctrine stuff. He's going to be 0:01:12.240 --> 0:01:15.399 a headache to conservatives on issues like migration because he 0:01:15.600 --> 0:01:20.080 championed kind of more open borders or more refugees. That's 0:01:20.120 --> 0:01:22.080 the way most cardinals are. It's just kind of how 0:01:22.080 --> 0:01:24.319 it is. It's very annoying. What is the truth? But 0:01:24.400 --> 0:01:27.120 he's the value pro life he has been. He's kind 0:01:27.120 --> 0:01:31.160 of a mixed position on gays and lesbians, being more 0:01:31.200 --> 0:01:33.479 open to them in the church. He's certainly more I guess, 0:01:33.520 --> 0:01:36.920 right wing on that issue than Francis was. But I 0:01:36.920 --> 0:01:40.160 think the most important thing from the managerial aspect, is 0:01:40.240 --> 0:01:43.920 considered good with finances, and it could help desperately change 0:01:44.080 --> 0:01:47.800 the shifting financial situation that the church is in, which 0:01:47.800 --> 0:01:49.640 is pretty dire. We discussed that in the last week's 0:01:49.640 --> 0:01:51.600 podcast on the Pope if you didn't hear about it. 0:01:51.720 --> 0:01:53.040 He's also, by the way, there was a lot of 0:01:53.080 --> 0:01:55.600 online chat that he's a registered Republican. He's from Illinois. 0:01:55.600 --> 0:01:59.720 Illinois does not register people by partying. He did, however, 0:01:59.800 --> 0:02:03.520 vote in several Republican primaries, so he's likely a Republican. 0:02:03.560 --> 0:02:07.520 But in my personal experience, I have met many many 0:02:07.560 --> 0:02:09.880 priests in my life, and I could count on one 0:02:09.919 --> 0:02:13.760 hand how many of them were open Democrats. Usually priests 0:02:13.800 --> 0:02:17.160 in my life i've ever met are are Republicans. Not 0:02:17.200 --> 0:02:20.919 so much nuns. Nuns tend nuns, especially older nuns, tend 0:02:20.919 --> 0:02:21.520 to be more liberal. 0:02:21.560 --> 0:02:21.960 But the. 0:02:24.080 --> 0:02:26.480 Priests I've always met tend to be Republicans. I've met 0:02:26.639 --> 0:02:31.040 very few democratic priests, and so this shouldn't surprise it. 0:02:31.160 --> 0:02:33.640 But I don't think. I think it's important not to 0:02:33.840 --> 0:02:40.079 put the role of the Pope and the and what 0:02:40.120 --> 0:02:42.520 he has said and what he does in the context 0:02:42.600 --> 0:02:47.800 of American politics. The Church is eternal. He is the 0:02:48.480 --> 0:02:51.480 you know, he's sitting on the throne of Saint Peter 0:02:51.600 --> 0:02:54.160 as the victor of Christ, and he's going to do 0:02:54.200 --> 0:02:56.840 his best to protect the church and the integrity of 0:02:56.880 --> 0:02:58.920 the Church. And I think that as a Catholic, we 0:02:58.919 --> 0:03:00.880 should all pray for him to do the best job 0:03:00.919 --> 0:03:04.040 that he possibly can. So it's my little spiel about 0:03:04.040 --> 0:03:06.400 the Pope. And by then, also Sunday is Mother's Day. 0:03:06.400 --> 0:03:08.480 Happy Mother's Day to my mom, who doesn't listen to 0:03:08.480 --> 0:03:11.640 this podcast, but my other aunt's grandmother do so, Havy 0:03:11.639 --> 0:03:13.560 Mother's Day to you. I hope for all the moms 0:03:13.560 --> 0:03:17.239 and grandmothers and godmothers who listens podcasts, it was all 0:03:17.360 --> 0:03:19.280 very special for you. This one made you feel special 0:03:19.320 --> 0:03:22.440 on Mother's Day. I want to spend some time talking 0:03:22.520 --> 0:03:27.639 about foreign policy because especially specifically an American first foreign policy, 0:03:28.160 --> 0:03:31.400 because the media in this media environment we've heard, you know, 0:03:31.480 --> 0:03:34.160 the media just it's it's like ping pong. It goes 0:03:34.200 --> 0:03:36.680 back and forth constantly, knee jerk reaction to knee jerk 0:03:36.720 --> 0:03:41.320 reaction to get people's head spinning about whatever topic is 0:03:41.480 --> 0:03:44.480 of the moment, to either bash Trump or Elon or 0:03:44.520 --> 0:03:48.200 you know the marilynd Man go now Salvador. Things that 0:03:48.320 --> 0:03:53.240 don't hit people's lives as effectively as it does create narratives. 0:03:53.960 --> 0:03:57.080 And it's very easy to crap on liberal media because 0:03:57.160 --> 0:03:59.480 I mean, they have no shame. You can't you cannot 0:03:59.520 --> 0:04:02.000 shame a liberal person VideA. I don't know if you, 0:04:02.040 --> 0:04:04.560 by the way, if anyone saw this, but last week 0:04:04.760 --> 0:04:08.480 or like late last week, Rachel Maddow was on Stephen 0:04:08.560 --> 0:04:12.640 Colbert and these two looney tunes are sitting there with 0:04:12.760 --> 0:04:16.880 complete straight faces, almost frowning and saying, I think this 0:04:16.920 --> 0:04:19.919 is like Republicans are doing what they're doing because they 0:04:19.960 --> 0:04:22.320 don't have to worry about an election. They think they 0:04:22.320 --> 0:04:24.680 want to end democracy, they won't worry about elections in 0:04:24.680 --> 0:04:30.880 the future. It is nonsensical fear porn. It is direct 0:04:31.200 --> 0:04:34.720 dopamine hits for people who are chanting up the end 0:04:34.800 --> 0:04:38.440 is near and that Trump's a dictator and we're in fascism, 0:04:39.480 --> 0:04:41.240 and you know, it's like seeing the guy on the 0:04:41.279 --> 0:04:42.839 side of the road who says, like the end is 0:04:42.880 --> 0:04:45.560 coming and he's screaming repent. Now, I always think like 0:04:45.600 --> 0:04:47.640 those people, like what if God comes back and you know, 0:04:47.800 --> 0:04:49.680 he says, I send you a guy with the science 0:04:49.680 --> 0:04:51.240 saying and is near. You should have known its near. 0:04:51.400 --> 0:04:56.839 But anyway, that's it doesn't matter. ADHD is extremely strong today. Guys. Anyway, 0:04:57.480 --> 0:05:03.560 that was Madam and copeire totally batshit crazy statements that 0:05:03.640 --> 0:05:10.279 were utterly untrue, feeding nonsense to peoples whose brains have 0:05:10.400 --> 0:05:14.680 become like worms, Like it is crazy. And I just 0:05:14.760 --> 0:05:16.640 wish that like the next guest who is on the 0:05:16.680 --> 0:05:18.520 show would have like looked at them and said, I 0:05:18.560 --> 0:05:22.520 will bet you ten thousand dollars that we will hold 0:05:22.560 --> 0:05:25.640 an election in eighteen months, that all of your fear 0:05:26.000 --> 0:05:28.640 that you have been peddling to the American public is 0:05:29.080 --> 0:05:32.719 not true. It's not going to be true. And in fact, 0:05:32.839 --> 0:05:35.599 I will spend the ten thousand dollars if I lose, 0:05:35.640 --> 0:05:39.279 But you have to apologize to the audience for misdirecting 0:05:39.279 --> 0:05:41.600 them if you lose. That's what I would love. It's 0:05:41.640 --> 0:05:43.840 probably not going to happen. But these people, I mean, 0:05:44.080 --> 0:05:47.479 their brains have really rotted. The ones who are saying 0:05:47.480 --> 0:05:50.240 the elections are over, it's just it's crazy. I even 0:05:50.240 --> 0:05:53.320 saw the comedian Kathy Griffin on her podcast saying that, like, 0:05:53.360 --> 0:05:55.400 you know, we should free Luigi. I mean, these people's 0:05:55.440 --> 0:05:58.119 brains are broken and you can't fix them. You just can't. 0:05:58.360 --> 0:06:01.000 You have to just keep it moving and you know, 0:06:01.160 --> 0:06:06.200 hope that the government in charge makes the right moves. 0:06:06.200 --> 0:06:07.800 And you can't obssess with people in the media. But 0:06:07.800 --> 0:06:11.479 that's what everyone else does. So anyway, sorry, back to 0:06:11.880 --> 0:06:14.320 foreign policy, which is what I was originally intending to 0:06:14.360 --> 0:06:19.080 talk about. Not many people are talking about this schism 0:06:19.640 --> 0:06:25.240 happening between the Trump administration and conservative media, and it's 0:06:25.320 --> 0:06:28.760 over Iran, over the nation of Iran, and whether or 0:06:28.839 --> 0:06:33.800 not Iran is in their urinium enrichment program intended to 0:06:33.800 --> 0:06:36.800 build nuclear bombs is capable or will be capable soon, 0:06:36.839 --> 0:06:40.000 and there's negotiations happening in the state of those negotiations. 0:06:40.480 --> 0:06:44.280 This has been the concern of obviously presence, dating back decades. 0:06:44.640 --> 0:06:48.400 The benefit of being middle aged now is that I 0:06:48.640 --> 0:06:51.159 can remember a quarter of a century ago when George W. 0:06:51.240 --> 0:06:54.520 Bush saying an attack against Iran was on the table. 0:06:54.600 --> 0:06:57.840 This is right after the Iraq War, because they were 0:06:57.839 --> 0:07:00.479 close to getting a nuclear bomb. This is two thousand 0:07:00.480 --> 0:07:02.880 and six. This is almost twenty years ago that he 0:07:02.920 --> 0:07:04.880 said they were very close to get an nuclear bomb, 0:07:05.000 --> 0:07:06.960 and one of his memoirs he actually said there were 0:07:07.000 --> 0:07:09.440 plans drawn up to attack Iran and they were backed 0:07:09.440 --> 0:07:12.920 that last minute. And under the Bomb administration, obviously we 0:07:12.960 --> 0:07:16.920 had the Iran deal to temporary limit uranium enrichment in 0:07:16.920 --> 0:07:19.280 favor of increasing their oil sales, and it had some 0:07:20.040 --> 0:07:23.400 minimal success in some capabilities, but it continued to fund 0:07:23.440 --> 0:07:27.000 their terrorist organizations throughout the world. Wasn't really going to 0:07:27.040 --> 0:07:32.120 change anything, and it really emboldened the current power regime 0:07:32.320 --> 0:07:36.280 of Iran, which is a horrific tyrannical regime. That is 0:07:36.280 --> 0:07:40.120 what real tyranny looks like. To the Rachel Meadows of 0:07:40.120 --> 0:07:42.720 the world and to the Kathy Griffins of the world, 0:07:42.760 --> 0:07:46.040 it doesn't look like Donald Trump. It looks like Iran. Currently, 0:07:46.320 --> 0:07:50.000 the women of Iran who have protested their government are 0:07:50.200 --> 0:07:52.880 one hundred times the feminists that any of these phony 0:07:53.320 --> 0:07:58.320 pink hat wearing liberal loonies attacking Trump are anyway back 0:07:58.320 --> 0:08:03.560 to Iran. Sorry, there is a substantial portion of the 0:08:03.600 --> 0:08:08.160 Republican Party, especially in the media, that are actively rooting 0:08:08.200 --> 0:08:12.240 for a military conflict with Iran. Trump picked his longtime 0:08:12.280 --> 0:08:14.720 friend and fellow real estate developer Steve Wikoff to be 0:08:14.760 --> 0:08:17.440 the Special Envoy to the Middle East, and he's actively 0:08:17.480 --> 0:08:20.560 working on avoiding a war with Iran, trying to inc 0:08:20.600 --> 0:08:23.320 ad deal to stop them from becoming a nuclear power. 0:08:23.960 --> 0:08:27.800 And this has infuriated neo conservatives. The New York Post 0:08:28.120 --> 0:08:31.840 President Trump's favorite paper, which regularly publishes neo conservaives, although 0:08:31.840 --> 0:08:33.840 they have published me a few times, so I appreciate it, 0:08:33.880 --> 0:08:36.559 but they do publish a lot of neo conservatives. They 0:08:36.559 --> 0:08:38.720 said that wik Kopff was the wrong person to try 0:08:38.760 --> 0:08:41.200 to get this deal and this agreement because he's too 0:08:42.000 --> 0:08:45.479 he's not willing to, you know, put a war basically 0:08:45.559 --> 0:08:49.600 on the table the day prior from them publishing that, 0:08:49.600 --> 0:08:51.960 which is April thirtieth, on my birthday. Douglas Murray, a 0:08:52.000 --> 0:08:54.680 buddy of mine who I know pretty well. He also 0:08:54.679 --> 0:08:56.200 said that he was the wrong man for the job 0:08:56.240 --> 0:09:00.800 in Douglas's you know, a fairly fairly vocal neoconservative. Wickoff 0:09:00.800 --> 0:09:03.839 has had some early successes in his job, including the 0:09:03.880 --> 0:09:07.040 release of thirty three hostages from Hamas, including two Americans, 0:09:07.040 --> 0:09:09.719 and he struck a deal with the Iranian Bakkuthis and 0:09:09.800 --> 0:09:13.080 Yemen to stop attacking our ships. So things are happening. 0:09:13.120 --> 0:09:15.480 Secretary of Rubia was very happy with the work that 0:09:15.520 --> 0:09:20.480 he's been doing, so as President Trump and considering the 0:09:20.520 --> 0:09:23.040 aspect of that, I'm thirty eight years old. I have 0:09:23.280 --> 0:09:27.000 seen this same movie for twenty five years almost, or 0:09:27.000 --> 0:09:30.440 twenty years almost, where the chatter from the pro war 0:09:30.520 --> 0:09:32.640 crowd is that Iran is going to develop this nuclear 0:09:32.640 --> 0:09:34.800 weapon any day now. It's kind of like how liberals say, 0:09:34.840 --> 0:09:36.720 like Trump, the walls are closing and it's any day now, 0:09:36.720 --> 0:09:39.480 any day now, any day now. I kind of feel 0:09:39.480 --> 0:09:44.840 like any rush towards conflict is very dumb and very 0:09:44.880 --> 0:09:48.600 short sighted and a war weary America is not up 0:09:48.600 --> 0:09:52.000 for it. Any which way that we could avoid any 0:09:52.080 --> 0:09:55.800 kind of military conflict while de escalating the situation is 0:09:55.880 --> 0:09:58.200 well worth it. But I'm not an expert in Ron. 0:09:58.240 --> 0:10:01.480 I've never been there, bas looking for most America has 0:10:01.480 --> 0:10:03.440 never been there. But my next guest is and he 0:10:03.480 --> 0:10:06.160 can tell us more about the situation, a possible conflict, 0:10:06.240 --> 0:10:12.520 and how the Iranian people feel up. Next with me 0:10:12.600 --> 0:10:15.840 today is Shahim Gobadi. He is from the National Council 0:10:15.960 --> 0:10:18.840 of Resistance of Iran. Thank you for being here, Shahim, 0:10:19.480 --> 0:10:23.280 thank you for having me. Now. On Thursday, it was 0:10:23.320 --> 0:10:28.040 discovered that Iran has another nuclear site that was previously undisclosed. 0:10:28.600 --> 0:10:30.800 What can you tell my audience about the state of 0:10:30.840 --> 0:10:33.959 Iran's nuclear program as it stands today. 0:10:34.800 --> 0:10:38.800 Actually, this new revelation was made by the National Council 0:10:38.840 --> 0:10:41.920 of Resistance of Iran, which is the coalition of Iranian 0:10:42.360 --> 0:10:46.560 democratic opposition movements like the Parliament in Exile of the Resistance. 0:10:47.559 --> 0:10:50.880 We have had more than one hundred and ten revelations, 0:10:51.040 --> 0:10:54.400 but various aspects of the Iran nuclear the first program 0:10:54.440 --> 0:10:56.880 going back three decades, particularly in the last two decades. 0:10:57.800 --> 0:10:59.720 All I can tell you is that the Iranian regime 0:10:59.760 --> 0:11:02.680 is on the cost of getting nuclear weapons. What do 0:11:02.679 --> 0:11:06.280 you mean by this? While the world has focused on 0:11:06.360 --> 0:11:09.560 how much in rich uranium the regime has, which is 0:11:09.760 --> 0:11:15.480 enough for at least six nuclear bombs. For a nuclear bomb, 0:11:15.480 --> 0:11:21.160 you need other weaponization and also delivery system basically warheads 0:11:21.240 --> 0:11:24.080 to be carried by ballistic missiles. And the point of 0:11:24.120 --> 0:11:26.160 the matter is that the regime has worked on the 0:11:26.200 --> 0:11:30.920 other two aspects very much diligently and concurrently with the enrichment. 0:11:31.520 --> 0:11:34.640 So they have the rich uranium, they are working on vaponization, 0:11:34.679 --> 0:11:38.360 they're working on delivery system. Actually today if you reveal 0:11:38.520 --> 0:11:44.360 another side which has been unknown before, working in tandem 0:11:44.600 --> 0:11:49.560 with this ballistic missile program for nuclear warheads. So the 0:11:49.640 --> 0:11:53.080 regime has been working very hard to this, and particularly 0:11:53.640 --> 0:11:56.400 in the last year and a half or two that 0:11:56.440 --> 0:11:58.880 it has been much weaker at home and has been 0:11:58.960 --> 0:12:01.640 much weaker in the region. You have relied more on 0:12:02.040 --> 0:12:05.079 acquired nuclear weapons as the guarant tour for their survival. 0:12:05.960 --> 0:12:10.280 Now, so I am thirty eight years old, and for 0:12:10.360 --> 0:12:13.040 the last since I was about fourteen, about a quarter 0:12:13.080 --> 0:12:16.520 of a century, I have heard that Iran is within 0:12:16.679 --> 0:12:20.880 days of getting a nuclear weapon since the Iraq War. Essentially, 0:12:20.960 --> 0:12:23.280 the drum beat for a war with Iran has been 0:12:23.440 --> 0:12:26.440 very real. It's been championed by a number of American 0:12:26.440 --> 0:12:30.559 politicians going back to the Bush administration, and it's never 0:12:30.600 --> 0:12:35.520 come to fruition. So how how much can we rely 0:12:36.400 --> 0:12:39.719 on the evidence that Iran is very close to a 0:12:39.760 --> 0:12:41.000 nuclear webon this time? 0:12:41.800 --> 0:12:44.439 Well, you have to bear in mind that we are 0:12:44.600 --> 0:12:49.400 the movement. As I said, I suppose the Hidian secret 0:12:49.640 --> 0:12:53.400 nuclear facilities, most enrichment in Natans back in two thousand 0:12:53.400 --> 0:12:55.840 and two, prolutonium site again in two thousand and two, 0:12:56.080 --> 0:12:59.920 many many research sites, many many scientists, and this is 0:13:00.240 --> 0:13:03.560 based on people on the ground, what they call human intelligence. 0:13:04.280 --> 0:13:07.840 And according to Los Alamos Research, more than ninety five 0:13:07.880 --> 0:13:12.440 percent of the NCIL revelations have been corroborated one wey 0:13:12.480 --> 0:13:16.160 or the other. The fact of the matter is, we 0:13:16.400 --> 0:13:20.400 never ever advocated for a war a year on. We 0:13:20.480 --> 0:13:23.800 do not believe the solution is a military solution. Rather, 0:13:23.880 --> 0:13:26.839 from the day one, all they have asked for is 0:13:26.840 --> 0:13:28.800 a solid policy. You know what the problem has been 0:13:28.840 --> 0:13:31.520 in the last twenty four years that you refer to, 0:13:32.000 --> 0:13:35.680 Actually the time you're referring to is exactly August fourteen, 0:13:35.720 --> 0:13:38.800 two thousand and two, that my very colleague whould the 0:13:38.840 --> 0:13:41.760 press conference today, held a press conference in the middle 0:13:41.800 --> 0:13:44.720 of summer in Washington, and at that time nobody wanted 0:13:44.720 --> 0:13:47.600 to believe Iran has a new crear program. Then when 0:13:47.640 --> 0:13:50.440 the IA went there they saw it, then they start 0:13:50.480 --> 0:13:54.920 believing it. All we always ask for is a robust policy. 0:13:55.360 --> 0:13:58.319 What was a robust policy. Robost policy is holding regime 0:13:58.360 --> 0:14:02.680 accountable for its nefarious conduct, to impose tough sanctions on 0:14:02.720 --> 0:14:06.640 the region, to prevent it from the means to advocate 0:14:06.760 --> 0:14:10.240 and advance this nuclear weapons program, and to recognize the 0:14:10.320 --> 0:14:12.960 right of the Union people and the resistance to being 0:14:13.000 --> 0:14:16.000 about the regime change by themselves. But what happened in 0:14:16.040 --> 0:14:21.360 reality administration after administration, and I don't only think about 0:14:21.560 --> 0:14:24.000 inside the United States, I'm talking about the other side 0:14:24.000 --> 0:14:27.880 of Atlantic too. People thought that by giving concessions to 0:14:27.920 --> 0:14:32.680 the regime to get involved in endless negotiations, they can 0:14:32.760 --> 0:14:36.760 somehow miraculously talk this region out of driving for nuclear weapons. 0:14:37.000 --> 0:14:40.560 And where we are today. Actually, if there were a 0:14:40.640 --> 0:14:43.760 robust policy two decades ago, the situation would not have 0:14:43.880 --> 0:14:46.880 got to where we are today. But unfortunately, as I said, 0:14:47.480 --> 0:14:51.400 appiacement after appeacement got us very well. Today, while the 0:14:51.480 --> 0:14:54.480 threat is very real, we never advocated and we were 0:14:54.480 --> 0:14:56.760 never a proponent of a military confrontation with your role 0:14:56.800 --> 0:14:58.040 because you don't think that's solution. 0:14:58.920 --> 0:15:01.680 I'm not saying you have been necessarily, but there are 0:15:01.880 --> 0:15:05.320 people in America certainly that have and they are the 0:15:05.320 --> 0:15:08.880 ones who've been saying for all these decades that Iran's 0:15:08.960 --> 0:15:12.760 nuclear program is within and is very capable, and it's 0:15:12.760 --> 0:15:15.120 going to happen any day now. And obviously Iran is 0:15:15.120 --> 0:15:20.160 a big supporter of terrorism around the entire globe. One 0:15:20.160 --> 0:15:22.240 thing I would like to know is you mentioned about, 0:15:22.720 --> 0:15:25.800 you know, sanctions, which we already have sanctions on Iran. 0:15:26.960 --> 0:15:30.280 What what good does it do if the United States 0:15:30.400 --> 0:15:34.480 is sanctions on Iran, but like China doesn't or Russia doesn't. 0:15:35.760 --> 0:15:38.200 Well, you have to remember we are talking about sanctions. 0:15:38.200 --> 0:15:41.280 We are talking about also secondary sanctions of what we're 0:15:41.280 --> 0:15:46.280 buyasi in a gas, and we're talking about sanctioning where 0:15:47.000 --> 0:15:51.280 it basically tifles the regime's social revenue. Because the fact 0:15:51.320 --> 0:15:54.360 of the matter is all the money that this regime gets, 0:15:54.600 --> 0:15:59.360 every single dying that it gets is useful repressing Ranian people, 0:15:59.840 --> 0:16:02.120 is used to advance. This nuclear program is used to 0:16:02.160 --> 0:16:05.080 advance this missile program, is used to stipend its proxies 0:16:05.080 --> 0:16:08.760 all over the world and the region actually and it's 0:16:08.800 --> 0:16:11.920 been will be plundered by you know, the regime's top brass. 0:16:12.480 --> 0:16:14.720 None of this gets to the Ranian people. So basically 0:16:14.720 --> 0:16:17.680 what happens is the region cells the Union people's wealth. 0:16:17.720 --> 0:16:21.600 They're oil, their gas and other resources to finance its 0:16:21.680 --> 0:16:26.200 nefarious conduct, which the first and the primary victims of 0:16:26.280 --> 0:16:29.440 the Anion people themselves. While the world is concerned about 0:16:29.440 --> 0:16:32.760 the nuclear weapons, are concerned about you know, regimes terrorism, 0:16:33.040 --> 0:16:35.000 But for me as an Iranian, it's also very important 0:16:35.080 --> 0:16:37.120 what the regime does to its own citizens. That's first 0:16:37.120 --> 0:16:40.840 and foremost, you know, in the last two in the 0:16:40.920 --> 0:16:44.560 last four decades, which NCRII the National Consular Resistance of Iran, 0:16:44.600 --> 0:16:47.000 has been battling to bring about a regime change, and 0:16:47.040 --> 0:16:49.520 I have to emphasize by the Iranians, for the Iranians. 0:16:50.240 --> 0:16:54.400 More of one hundreds and twenty thousand good Iranians as 0:16:54.440 --> 0:16:56.800 it gets thirteen years old and as old as seventy 0:16:56.840 --> 0:16:59.960 two men and women have been executed by this RATIONI 0:17:00.480 --> 0:17:04.200 solely for striving for democracy, no rights. So for us, 0:17:04.200 --> 0:17:06.960 the issue is not solely you know, international or foreign. 0:17:07.280 --> 0:17:10.360 That's about, you know, the dignity of our people, our country, 0:17:10.680 --> 0:17:12.800 and democracy in our country and freedom, which you know 0:17:13.080 --> 0:17:16.159 Iranians deserve very much like any other nation on the 0:17:16.200 --> 0:17:16.840 face of the earth. 0:17:17.520 --> 0:17:19.199 So I want to I want to go into the 0:17:19.200 --> 0:17:21.000 Iranian people in a second, but but I want to 0:17:21.040 --> 0:17:23.280 go back to the policy Iran for for just a moment. 0:17:23.880 --> 0:17:28.560 Should Iran have any sort of Urinian program, because they're 0:17:28.600 --> 0:17:30.840 talking about that should have a certain level. The t 0:17:30.840 --> 0:17:34.119 from administration has been negotiating. You know, couldn't they en 0:17:34.200 --> 0:17:37.840 rich at all? But should they be allowed in your 0:17:37.840 --> 0:17:39.120 opinion of any sort of are. 0:17:39.600 --> 0:17:42.280 Giving a nuclear program has to be shut down. Actually, 0:17:42.320 --> 0:17:45.159 the NCRI, the National Council of Resistance of Iran, has 0:17:45.240 --> 0:17:47.960 a ten point plan for the future of Iran, which 0:17:47.960 --> 0:17:51.000 has been articulated by Madame Mariam Bradjavi, the President elect 0:17:51.320 --> 0:17:55.879 of the Iranian Resistance. Madame Mariam Bradjevi is the person 0:17:55.920 --> 0:17:58.879 that the resistance has elected to be the president for 0:17:58.880 --> 0:18:01.720 a transitional period when the Mullahs are ousted and Iran 0:18:01.800 --> 0:18:05.320 is democratic and one item of that plan, in addition 0:18:05.359 --> 0:18:09.840 to separation of religion and government and gender equality and 0:18:09.920 --> 0:18:14.000 freedom and rights of all the ethnic and national minorities, 0:18:14.200 --> 0:18:17.359 is a non nuclear run. So we believe Iran does 0:18:17.400 --> 0:18:21.280 not need nuclear program. It does not make any sense 0:18:21.600 --> 0:18:25.320 at all. It's not economically savvy. It's actually very consprobative 0:18:25.359 --> 0:18:27.800 for a country like Iran. You know, investing so much 0:18:27.800 --> 0:18:32.399 an Iranian nuclear program is like an Eskimo investing on 0:18:32.440 --> 0:18:36.240 a fridge or a refrigerator. You know, you're talking about 0:18:36.920 --> 0:18:41.120 a country which is sitting on the second biggest oil 0:18:41.640 --> 0:18:44.720 gas reserves in the world, the fourth biggest oil reserve 0:18:44.760 --> 0:18:48.320 in the world, a country which has one person of 0:18:48.359 --> 0:18:51.400 the population in the world but has somewhere from seven 0:18:51.480 --> 0:18:54.920 to eight percent of the world minerals, even according to 0:18:54.960 --> 0:18:59.320 the regime's own estimates. I read a report, internal report, 0:18:59.520 --> 0:19:02.440 but there is Parliament back in two thousand and five, 0:19:02.520 --> 0:19:05.720 and I have the document. We said, creating you know, 0:19:06.960 --> 0:19:10.480 power plants based on nuclear energy in Iran. It does 0:19:10.480 --> 0:19:12.439 not make any sense, they said, be that's kind of 0:19:12.480 --> 0:19:15.480 a price. In a normal situation, we can build ten 0:19:15.880 --> 0:19:19.680 fossil fuel you know plants in Iran. Because the energy 0:19:19.720 --> 0:19:22.919 is so cheap, So all can one wonder why this 0:19:23.040 --> 0:19:27.160 regime is so insistent on nuclear program. It's all obvious 0:19:27.200 --> 0:19:31.720 it's for weapons. It has no civilian purpose. And the 0:19:31.760 --> 0:19:35.760 only party that is so intransigent about this whole thing 0:19:35.800 --> 0:19:36.359 is the regime. 0:19:37.080 --> 0:19:41.320 What do you make of Steve Wikoff, President Trump's and 0:19:41.880 --> 0:19:44.360 Special envoy to the Middle East and what his work 0:19:44.400 --> 0:19:45.280 has been with Iran? 0:19:46.480 --> 0:19:49.679 Well, obviously I know they are trying to reach a 0:19:49.680 --> 0:19:51.919 good deal, but I think that it starts from the 0:19:51.960 --> 0:19:55.520 point that they have to realize that there's nothing civilian. 0:19:55.640 --> 0:19:59.320 There's nothing benevolent in this whole program from the onset. 0:20:00.200 --> 0:20:04.680 It has been for military purposes, and there's so much 0:20:05.640 --> 0:20:08.159 facts to prove this. If it was civilian and for 0:20:08.280 --> 0:20:10.840 good purposes, why the regime is so secretive about this? 0:20:11.840 --> 0:20:14.680 You know, none of its sites, none of its size, 0:20:14.720 --> 0:20:18.320 has ever been informed of the IAEA by the regime itself. 0:20:19.320 --> 0:20:21.399 All of the sites have been told to the IEA 0:20:21.480 --> 0:20:24.000 after we have told on them by our network inside 0:20:24.000 --> 0:20:28.080 the country. So or why do they allow the ia 0:20:28.200 --> 0:20:32.040 to interview their scientists? Why they don't you know, allow 0:20:32.160 --> 0:20:36.280 snapback inspections, I mean snap inspections. So there's obviously more 0:20:36.320 --> 0:20:39.560 than one eskeleton in the closets. 0:20:39.720 --> 0:20:42.959 What do you make of Israel's what they've been doing 0:20:43.040 --> 0:20:45.000 the wrong, which just feels like every couple of months 0:20:45.000 --> 0:20:48.600 you hear about Israel having either a cyber attack or 0:20:48.680 --> 0:20:51.720 killing a scientist or something or other to just kind 0:20:51.720 --> 0:20:54.120 of slow down or stop Iran's nuclear program. 0:20:54.840 --> 0:20:58.720 I think the Iranian problem has an Urnian solution. You know, 0:20:58.760 --> 0:21:01.400 what has been missing in all of the paradigm comes 0:21:01.440 --> 0:21:03.520 to you run in all these years, in the twenty 0:21:03.600 --> 0:21:06.080 four plus years that you mentioned you have been following 0:21:06.080 --> 0:21:11.520 the Union situation in the last quarter century. The biggest 0:21:11.720 --> 0:21:14.199 missing element is the role of the Unian people and 0:21:14.240 --> 0:21:18.520 the resistance. That's the fact that we changed the whole calculus. 0:21:18.600 --> 0:21:20.560 Well, let's talk about the Iranian people then, because I 0:21:20.560 --> 0:21:24.439 mean I have followed a number of resistance movements by 0:21:24.480 --> 0:21:28.320 the Iranian people. There was the Green Revolution. Most recently, 0:21:28.359 --> 0:21:31.320 there was a very very brave effort on the part 0:21:31.320 --> 0:21:34.440 of Iranian women to expose their hair and cut their hair. 0:21:34.600 --> 0:21:38.879 Was deeply, deeply moving what they were doing, But it 0:21:39.720 --> 0:21:44.040 war one. What is the feeling of the leadership by 0:21:44.080 --> 0:21:45.240 the people of Iran. 0:21:46.359 --> 0:21:50.560 They hate the regime in its entirety, How can you 0:21:51.920 --> 0:21:55.520 gauge that? Since December two thousand and seven, seventeen, sorry, 0:21:55.720 --> 0:21:58.800 which is you know, seven and a half years, there 0:21:58.800 --> 0:22:04.720 has been four major nationwide uprisings in Iran, all of 0:22:04.760 --> 0:22:08.159 them calling for the regimes overthrow. And each time the 0:22:08.240 --> 0:22:13.160 uprising gets bigger, more pervasive, more inclusive, people from all 0:22:13.200 --> 0:22:16.280 walks of life, all age groups. The last one you 0:22:16.359 --> 0:22:19.680 just mentioned that it started in September twenty two and 0:22:20.160 --> 0:22:24.600 went on for months and months, included all thirty one 0:22:24.640 --> 0:22:27.720 provinces of Iran, somewhere in like three hundred cities and 0:22:27.760 --> 0:22:30.520 towns throughout the country. Now it's a very really number. 0:22:30.600 --> 0:22:34.680 So there's a nationwide sentiment. According to the regime's own 0:22:35.640 --> 0:22:39.520 public figures, ninety six percent of the people of Irn 0:22:39.560 --> 0:22:43.639 hate this regime. That's amazing. Ninety six percent of people 0:22:43.600 --> 0:22:46.400 want a regime change. So that's the sentiment. 0:22:46.720 --> 0:22:50.959 Yeah. So, as someone who reads a lot about demographics 0:22:50.960 --> 0:22:55.240