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Speaker 1: The San Antonio District judge resigns after a federal corruption probe.

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Speaker 2: A former San Antonio, Texas judge goes to federal prison

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Speaker 2: after pleading guilty to accepting bribes in exchange for rigging

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Speaker 2: cases in his court. Angus McGuinty committed the ultimate judicial sin.

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Speaker 3: Why did you do it?

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Speaker 4: I did it because I was foolish.

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Speaker 5: The John Annick and Kenny Florian Podcast John Annick and

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Speaker 5: Kenny Florian.

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Speaker 4: I fucking love him. I can't get enough of him.

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Speaker 6: Big job there could copy and crek beers fund out.

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Speaker 7: I believe there are a couple of absolutely self involved

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Speaker 7: bullshit artists.

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Speaker 5: Here are your hosts, John Annick and Kenny Florian.

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Speaker 8: All right, Coast to coast, seven am Pacific time on

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Speaker 8: the Screws. It is Sunday, June twenty sixth. Welcome in

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Speaker 8: episode three point fifty four of the Anik and Florian Podcast,

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Speaker 8: presented in part by UFC Fight Pass, Ken Flows on

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Speaker 8: vacation pfl Five's in the can, Where the fuck are

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Speaker 8: you right now? I am.

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Speaker 6: I'm in South Carolina, man, I'm kind of hanging by

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Speaker 6: the beach. I'll be here for the next few weeks, so.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, spending some time with the in laws, I take it. Yes, Yes,

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Speaker 8: your Wi Fi is exceptional. By the way, wherever you

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Speaker 8: are right now, maybe you can move here. Seriously, all right,

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Speaker 8: we got a lot to get to today. Of course,

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Speaker 8: we are just hours removed from UFC Fight Night Sarukian

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Speaker 8: versus Gamrot, so we'll get into as many of those

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Speaker 8: fights as possible. The Great Sean Sheen from Severe Mma

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Speaker 8: is to ged able to join us here in about

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Speaker 8: ten minutes. Ray Longo. Of course, Brian Petrie will have

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Speaker 8: no fewer than nine selections head to head with Ken

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Speaker 8: Flow for UFC two seventy six, and a lot of

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Speaker 8: other things to get to intermittently as well. But we

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Speaker 8: will be in with PFL five very quickly if I could,

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Speaker 8: because what Stevie Ray did to Anthony Showtime pettis a

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Speaker 8: couple of nights ago can flow like that'll make me

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Speaker 8: never train again. And I was talking to Dominic Cruz

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Speaker 8: in real time there's no one better to explain that

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Speaker 8: sort of wondering aloud how he would have commentated that

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Speaker 8: in real time, because a jiu jitsu practitioner like yourself

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Speaker 8: is still studying, right and still looking for maybe new

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Speaker 8: things and nuances and chokes and things like that. A

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Speaker 8: lot of us hadn't seen this before, and I guess

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Speaker 8: the way it was explained to me was that it

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Speaker 8: was almost like the opposite of what you're used to seeing.

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Speaker 8: What can you tell us about this body lock that

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Speaker 8: gave Anthony showtime. Pettis, at least in my opinion, no

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Speaker 8: choice but to tap. Yeah. No, it's a brutal move.

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Speaker 8: What's interesting about it.

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Speaker 6: First of all, if you have your regular body triangle

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Speaker 6: like we see Damien Maya control people so well with

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Speaker 6: that body triangle, when the foot is on the outside,

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Speaker 6: it does put a lot of pressure on the spine.

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Speaker 6: There's no twisting action. Why because the opponent can't really

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Speaker 6: really happened because Anthony Pettis did this to himself. Now

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Speaker 6: Stevie Ray, instead of having that leg to the outside

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Speaker 6: of the hip, he had his foot and leg in

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Speaker 8: So when Anthony was able to turn, because he did

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Speaker 6: His right leg was trapped and kind of hitting it

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Speaker 6: was being blocked by Stevie Ray's inner leg and foot.

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Speaker 6: Right then Stevie Ray kind of wrapped up the top

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Speaker 6: with that body triangle, he was essentially twisting and torquing

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Speaker 6: the body of Anthony Pettis and putting a lot of

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Speaker 8: It looked like Anthony Pettis had some ice on ribs.

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Speaker 6: He had entered his rib against Dustin Pourrier back in

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Speaker 8: Is that the way it works? Yes, exactly.

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Speaker 8: He was the only guy who got a first round finish,

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Speaker 8: so he had, you know, the maximum amount of points.

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Speaker 8: So okay, One other thing I wanted to get to.

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Speaker 8: There was a big heavyweight upset. The names are escaping

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Speaker 8: me right now, but I did find it interesting that

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Speaker 6: Cleats and a brew who fought tremendously well, had a

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Speaker 6: by decision, earning him three points, but because he didn't

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Speaker 6: The first the first criteria, if it is tied up

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Speaker 6: in the regular season, you will advance. The second criteria

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Speaker 8: Let us quickly get to UFC Fight Night and what

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Speaker 8: a main event it was between armand Sarugian and Mataus

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Speaker 8: Gamrod and anyone who listens to this podcast knows that

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Speaker 8: I don't train in jiu jitsu, but that's like my

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Speaker 6: I wasn't sure that he was the most exciting fighter,

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Speaker 6: and I've just been sleeping on him. To be honest,

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Speaker 8: What a fight.

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Speaker 6: Brilliant grappling exchanges. As far as the wrestling goes, some

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Speaker 8: Awesome main event. It went late, and I think it

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Speaker 8: was worth it that the fight was that good. No,

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Speaker 8: I was out here in Vegas even fighting it, and

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Speaker 8: when this main event was announced, my initial thought was

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Speaker 8: bit surprised that it's happening against each other just because

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Speaker 8: it was a great showcase for both athletes and Pete Normongo.

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Speaker 8: Mettov certainly wasn't the only one to publicly acknowledge Sean

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Speaker 8: Shelby and the matchmakers for putting the guys together. As

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Speaker 8: far as the scorecards are concerned, it was veteran judges

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Speaker 8: Diamatto Lee McCarthy all had it forty eight forty seven,

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Speaker 8: with Mataus Gamrock winning rounds three, four and five. I

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Speaker 8: I'm not sure if he'll get it, but he's getting

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Speaker 8: a huge fight next at fifty five, no doubt, Listen.

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Speaker 6: I think both guys deserve a big, big shot and

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Speaker 6: in the future. All right, Sean Sheen in a few

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Speaker 6: rock Monov. You know, Danny Rube has been telling me

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Speaker 6: and he just might be. Man Neil Magne is a

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Speaker 6: hard guy to put away. Certainly, I don't have to

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Speaker 6: What do you make of the comain event? And yet

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Speaker 6: another finish for the oncoming shop cut rockmanov Is Shofcott.

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Speaker 8: One of Danny Rubinston's Rubinstein's guys. I think he is

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Speaker 8: or he was at some point in time. Ruby. That's awesome.

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Speaker 8: He's killing it.

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Speaker 6: Uh listen, He's tremendous. I've been high on this kid

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Speaker 6: He's finally starting to get that recognition. I think this

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Speaker 8: So it's about time he earned some respect.

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Speaker 6: He's the guy that everybody should be talking about, but

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Speaker 6: think those days are long gone now if you're paying

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Speaker 8: Dude's unbelievable.

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Speaker 6: Sixteen fights, sixteen finishes, Oh yeah, you do not see

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Speaker 8: That that is unbelievable. And he's not forcing the finish,

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Speaker 8: He's not this wild brawler. He's a technician and just

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Speaker 8: I'm not sure if this man has even slept, but

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Speaker 4: I love that fight so much.

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Speaker 6: impactful blow. You know, looking at the reaction of a fighter,

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Speaker 6: seeing them stumble backwards or take a misstep, or look

437
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Speaker 6: like they step in a pothole or you know, backing

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Speaker 6: them up after a good shot. That's something that I

439
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Speaker 6: consider impactful when you see the look of the face

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Speaker 6: or the look of the body that there's a direct

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Speaker 6: impact of that strike.

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Speaker 9: There's one phrase in the criteria that that I love,

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Speaker 9: and it's to the fighting spirit. They say, you know

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Speaker 9: if it if it diminishes your fighting spirit. That's exactly

445
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Speaker 9: what you're talking about there. If you put someone and

446
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Speaker 9: they fall back in there up against the cage, will

447
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Speaker 9: you know that hearts them? If you put someone and

448
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Speaker 9: they send there, you know kreen zombie or someone needed

449
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Speaker 9: it doesn't move.

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Speaker 4: Well, it's like, what did that impact him?

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Speaker 9: And it could be the exact same punch land in

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Speaker 9: the qreen Zombie and you know, another fighter and they

453
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Speaker 9: could have a totally different impact. And that's what it's

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Speaker 9: scored on Azuela. It's not just the punch, it's who's

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Speaker 9: taken the punch as well.

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Speaker 8: Sean she and Willius here on the Aniconploring podcast. Now,

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Speaker 8: I did not book you purposefully on the heels of

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Speaker 8: our judging and refereeing seminar that took place here Friday

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Speaker 8: in Las Vegas, for many of our UFC commentators. But

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Speaker 8: your thesis statement to me via direct message was exactly

461
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Speaker 8: my thought five minutes in. We need ten, twelve, sixteen

462
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Speaker 8: hours with these guys, because every time some issue was

463
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Speaker 8: brought up, we kind of needed an hour to sort

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Speaker 8: of hash it out, and then we had no choice

465
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Speaker 8: but to move along. So one thing that keeps coming

466
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Speaker 8: up that I wanted to ask you about. It seems

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Speaker 8: to me that I keep hearing verbally from you from

468
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Speaker 8: judges that if you have to ask yourself whether or

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Speaker 8: not it's a ten eight round, then it's a ten

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Speaker 8: to nine. And to me, my thesis state would be,

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Speaker 8: if you have to ask yourself if it's a ten

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Speaker 8: A meaning you're thinking borderline it might be, then it

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Speaker 8: can't be at ten to nine because that's too close.

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Speaker 8: And I guess my thesis statement walking out of there, Sean,

475
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Speaker 8: is that I'm all in trying to join you in

476
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Speaker 8: your efforts to educate the masses, but I do believe

477
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Speaker 8: that we're all educating the masses on a scoring criteria

478
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Speaker 8: that truthfully does not fit our sport, and that's my frustration.

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Speaker 8: I'm happy to help educate, but we need more of

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Speaker 8: an overhaul than we need education. In my opinion, I.

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Speaker 9: Would totally disagree with that. Honestly, I think it fits

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Speaker 9: it very well. What you're talking about there, specifically is

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Speaker 9: the ten at part and that has been changed and

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Speaker 9: it's a major problem.

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Speaker 4: I think it needs to go back. It has not

486
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Speaker 4: worked well whatsoever.

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Speaker 9: And you know, Dana came out after the Israel Adisanya

488
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Speaker 9: fied and the Felicy Spencer man in Nunas fight. I

489
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Speaker 9: think right as well it was and he was giving

490
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Speaker 9: out what there was too many ten eights, and then

491
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Speaker 9: the Nevada Commission change and now everywhere is kind of changing.

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Speaker 9: All the judges are scoring them differently, gone completely backwards.

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Speaker 4: What we do now? Okay, you say you think afterwards

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Speaker 4: is it a t A? Is it a ten nine?

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Speaker 4: It's a ten nine. Beforehand we'd go to the treads.

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Speaker 9: You know, you talk about the criteria maybe not being

497
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Speaker 9: fit for purpose, but the criteria was there to tell

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Speaker 9: us exactly what the TENA was. And you know the

499
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Speaker 9: you know, obviously we know the treats. We discussed it

500
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Speaker 9: the last time as well, and every time there was

501
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Speaker 9: a discussion on the commentary or you know, us at

502
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Speaker 9: home sitting down watching it, you think that did they

503
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Speaker 9: have the damage, did he have the duration, did he

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Speaker 9: have the dominance? Well, if you had all three of him,

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Speaker 9: we know what's a ten eight. That's not the case

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Speaker 9: now anymore. You can have all three of them and

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Speaker 9: if you don't have overwhelming damage, it's no longer a

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Speaker 9: ten A.

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Speaker 4: That's bad.

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Speaker 8: That is bad.

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Speaker 9: We need certainty on it. That part of the criteria

512
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Speaker 9: has absolutely just it's just gone so backwards. I absolutely

513
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Speaker 9: hate it if we went back to that. I think

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Speaker 9: it'd changed a lot of those things because the biggest

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Speaker 9: issue with the criteria right now is the difference between

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Speaker 9: a ten nine and a tenas as you talked about there,

517
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Speaker 9: that solved that issue for a large part. It's never

518
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Speaker 9: going to solve the issue completely. There'd always be close rounds.

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Speaker 9: There'll always be borderline ten nine ten eight. You have

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Speaker 9: the you know, if you have the two d's, you

521
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Speaker 9: can go either ten nine ten eight. We'll always have that.

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Speaker 9: There's there's no way to solve judging. People need to

523
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Speaker 9: stop that rubbish. There will never ever solve judging. We'll

524
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Speaker 9: never have every judge degree. If you punch me once,

525
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Speaker 9: I punched you once. One person's gonna say that was

526
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Speaker 9: more impactful. The other person's gonna say the other point

527
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Speaker 9: is more impactful. We need to forget that there's there's

528
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Speaker 9: no there's there's no magic pill we can take to

529
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Speaker 9: fix judging. We just need to get it as good

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Speaker 9: as we possibly can. And we're at a level now

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Speaker 9: where judging is very consistent. But the consistency over to

532
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Speaker 9: ten eight's has gone in the wrong direction because we're

533
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Speaker 9: consistently wrong now, I think, and wrong in terms of

534
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Speaker 9: the overall look at the judging, not necessarily the understanding

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Speaker 9: of the criteria. For me, you talk about the criteria

536
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Speaker 9: all of all the time, and we you know what,

537
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Speaker 9: we need to take out two hours and discuss this

538
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Speaker 9: because this is a topic we go on all the time.

539
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Speaker 9: But my thoughts about it, and you know, Joro did

540
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Speaker 9: that thing in the podcasts a couple of weeks ago already.

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Speaker 9: You know, he basically solved the judging criteria by saying

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Speaker 9: what the exact criteria.

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Speaker 4: But the thing about that is you can't.

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Speaker 9: Blame someone for thinking that because we used to have

545
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Speaker 9: an all criteria and it wasn't communicated well that it changed,

546
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Speaker 9: and what they did when they changed that in twenty sixteen.

547
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Speaker 9: Came in on January first, twenty and seventeen was they

548
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Speaker 9: got the ten nine must system, which everyone hates and

549
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Speaker 9: says the boxing system and all of that, but they're

550
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Speaker 9: retrofitted at PHAR Mixed Martial Arts and they brought in

551
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Speaker 9: the effective grappling, the effective striking and all of that.

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Speaker 9: And I think having watched fights through the eyes of

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Speaker 9: the criteria for the last three years or so with

554
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Speaker 9: a top class judge that I can talk to all

555
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Speaker 9: all the time and a text every day or every

556
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Speaker 9: week about these fights, and tried again an understanding of it,

557
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Speaker 9: I really feel that retro fitting of the ten nine

558
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Speaker 9: must system, our ten point must system, sorry, has really

559
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Speaker 9: worked well for mixed martial arts. Now the changing of

560
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Speaker 9: the ten eights has has put it back, It really

561
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Speaker 9: has put it back. But I still think normal ten

562
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Speaker 9: nine rounds, we can score them better than we've ever

563
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Speaker 9: scored them before, and scored them in a more assured way.

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Speaker 9: You know, it doesn't always work, as I said, some

565
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Speaker 9: rounds are very close. Some rounds, you know, like the

566
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Speaker 9: third round in the saruk and versus Garmrat fight last night,

567
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Speaker 9: It can go either way. But because because it's close,

568
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Speaker 9: you know, it's up to the fighter to separate himself

569
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Speaker 9: from the other fighter, and it's up to the other

570
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Speaker 9: fighter to separate inside from the other fighter. And sometimes

571
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Speaker 9: you'll know you mean to mean a rock and hard

572
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Speaker 9: pless and that's not going to happen. You can't blame

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Speaker 9: the judge for that. The judge has to decide on that.

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Speaker 9: But I think what we have in the criteria right

575
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Speaker 9: now spells it out very well in very simple terms

576
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Speaker 9: as well. I know we spoke the last time. I

577
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Speaker 9: think the criteria could be longer. There's bits I would

578
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Speaker 9: take out, but I think it could be more well explained.

579
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Speaker 9: But I think what we have right now, you know,

580
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Speaker 9: we can give out about it. We can, we can

581
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Speaker 9: pick holes in it, but I think we have to

582
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Speaker 9: accept it at some stage as well. We have to

583
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Speaker 9: and to look at to look at fights through the

584
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Speaker 9: criteria over a long time, we'll give us a good

585
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Speaker 9: idea of how well the criteria works, because you can

586
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Speaker 9: look at one fight and say it right, someone made

587
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Speaker 9: a mistake here, like I think last week. But everyone

588
00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:07,159
Speaker 9: makes mistakes. You know, people mistake and make mistakes in

589
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Speaker 9: all sports all the time. That doesn't mean the system

590
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Speaker 9: is bad. We need to look at it over a

591
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Speaker 9: long period of time, which I have done and I

592
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Speaker 9: have tried to do and with an open mind when

593
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Speaker 9: I'm biased, I have no you know, affiliation to any

594
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Speaker 9: team or anything like that, and look at it in

595
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Speaker 9: that way. And for me having done that, I really

596
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Speaker 9: think that we're very consistent. But more importantly, we're doing

597
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Speaker 9: it the right way. We're doing it. Over how MMA

598
00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:35,640
Speaker 9: should be scored, m MA shouldn't be scored on control,

599
00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:39,200
Speaker 9: MMA shouldn't be scored on I'm winning the goings of

600
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Speaker 9: the fight. You know, I'm dominating the position of the fight.

601
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Speaker 9: That's all well and good, But MMA is an offensive sport.

602
00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:46,879
Speaker 9: It should always be an offensive sport, and the amount

603
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Speaker 9: of damage done, the amount of impact on it should

604
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Speaker 9: be the main reason why fights are won.

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Speaker 4: And for me over the last few years it has been.

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Speaker 8: No one can persuade me in this space quite like you.

607
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Speaker 8: And perhaps overhaul was the wrong verb, but I also

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Speaker 8: from what you're saying that the ten nine range has

609
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Speaker 8: never been wider, and you say this ten eight problem

610
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Speaker 8: is a huge problem. I actually believe on the heels

611
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Speaker 8: of our seminar that you are going to see some

612
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Speaker 8: of these judges be more aggressive with the ten eights

613
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Speaker 8: now despite the directives, because if they don't, the system

614
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Speaker 8: is flawed. But I agree with you that if ten

615
00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:22,959
Speaker 8: eights are more liberal, But then I keep hearing from everybody, Oh,

616
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Speaker 8: if you have to if you have to question whether

617
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Speaker 8: or not it's a ten eight, it's a ten nine,

618
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Speaker 8: and thereby the ten nine range gets even wider, and

619
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Speaker 8: to me, that's insane.

620
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Speaker 9: I think it's come back a little bit, to be honest,

621
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Speaker 9: I think, you know, everyone's kind of cool down the

622
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Speaker 9: small bin and that has come back a little bit.

623
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Speaker 9: And I spoke to a few judges over in America

624
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Speaker 9: who kind of been saying to me, look, I'm looking

625
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Speaker 9: at the tenna I'm looking at this sort of the

626
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Speaker 9: treaties again when scoring to ten as, and I'm you know,

627
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Speaker 9: I'm not going overwhelming impact. And if that comes back

628
00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:50,959
Speaker 9: it might take a while, and hopefully it comes back

629
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Speaker 9: in totality, that would make a really big difference. It

630
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Speaker 9: really really would. And yeah, that gap, that gap is

631
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Speaker 9: definitely white. It's definitely white at the moment. But that's

632
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Speaker 9: got to do with the criteria in general. That's got

633
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Speaker 9: to do with the tenants and the adjustment to the tenant,

634
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Speaker 9: which has been overwhelmingly bad in my opinion.

635
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Speaker 8: Right, No, I think that's fair. And we did have

636
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Speaker 8: a judge acknowledge Ken Flow that for that second round

637
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Speaker 8: in the rematch between Pildrian and Aljamain Sterling, and he

638
00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:18,399
Speaker 8: could go back, he would have scored a day ten eight,

639
00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:20,560
Speaker 8: you know. So there was a lot of good that

640
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Speaker 8: came out of this. You know, I felt like for

641
00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:24,560
Speaker 8: us Sean and Kenny was more fruitful as far as

642
00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:27,880
Speaker 8: some of the refereeing stuff than the judging stuff, because

643
00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:30,080
Speaker 8: again I think we need days and days and days

644
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Speaker 8: to rehash this. You know. It was interesting, like we

645
00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:35,760
Speaker 8: got to score some rounds and they gave us one

646
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Speaker 8: round that they felt was pretty easy to score and

647
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Speaker 8: then one round that they tried to trick us, and

648
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Speaker 8: a couple of the analysts, if you want to say,

649
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Speaker 8: got tricked. You know, we're on the wrong side of that.

650
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Speaker 8: So it was very informative and educational, you know, But

651
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Speaker 8: generally speaking, you know, I feel like analysts need to

652
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Speaker 8: focus more on the mixed martial arts and less on

653
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Speaker 8: the judging, but sometimes they are inexorably linked. I would

654
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Speaker 8: imagine for you, Sean, it's hard sometimes on your podcast

655
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Speaker 8: to talk about how great a sour Kian and Gamro

656
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Speaker 8: was and you keep inevitably coming back to this stuff.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I literally just recorded before I came on here,

658
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Speaker 4: and I did that.

659
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Speaker 9: I stopped in the middle of the podcast, goes, we

660
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Speaker 9: need we need to stop talking about judging.

661
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Speaker 4: And we need to talk about how great of a

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Speaker 4: fight this was. And it was great. I don't know

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Speaker 4: if you saw it.

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Speaker 9: And Cage Warriors this week in recent Key had an

665
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Speaker 9: unbelievable win and I was so glad it didn't go

666
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Speaker 9: to a decision because it was there's lots of very

667
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Speaker 9: close rounds and you'd be talking about that, but instead

668
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Speaker 9: we're talking about a great fight, We're talking about a

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Speaker 9: great win.

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Speaker 4: And yeah, it definitely is.

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Speaker 9: It's it's a shame at times, but look, it's something

672
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Speaker 9: that's going to be very very hard to overcome. And look,

673
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Speaker 9: it's the thing we all have to.

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Speaker 8: Look.

675
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Speaker 9: I took a long time to learn it as well,

676
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Speaker 9: and I'm very lucky that I had to Judge kind

677
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Speaker 9: of reach out to me and I was able to

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Speaker 9: speak to them and kind of become friends with him

679
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Speaker 9: and and he's there to help me all the time.

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Speaker 4: If I would love you know, I'm sure he would

681
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Speaker 4: do the same for you, John.

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Speaker 9: And I'm sure if Daniel Carmey or Dominic Cruz or

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Speaker 9: Kenny yourself, whoever it might be, if they got a

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Speaker 9: judge and they could speak to them and they did that,

685
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Speaker 9: and they did it week in week out, it would

686
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Speaker 9: help so much. Because there's a big problem as well, right,

687
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Speaker 9: And it's very hard for me. It's very hard for

688
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Speaker 9: me to say Danick Army is wrong. What do I

689
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Speaker 9: you know, compared to Danick Army or Kenny or Dominic Cruz.

690
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Speaker 9: But then you hear him say something on the broadcast

691
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Speaker 9: and it is wrong. You know, if, as I say,

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Speaker 9: if Tom Brady said a touchdown has worth twelve pints,

693
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Speaker 9: just because he's the greatest of all time, doesn't mean

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Speaker 9: it's right.

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Speaker 4: You know, well maybe him it is, but you know

696
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Speaker 4: that and that is a big problem.

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Speaker 9: And if and it's not, it's not you know, it's

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Speaker 9: probably from as you said, separating the martial arts from

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Speaker 9: the judging, because sometimes they are different. There are certain

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Speaker 9: things I'm sure that you will game plan to do

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Speaker 9: that's not gonna score for you. But might win you

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Speaker 9: the fight in the long time.

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Speaker 4: Like for pressure.

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Speaker 9: For let's say Conor McGregor, right, if you're fighting him,

705
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Speaker 9: you want to put far a pressure on him. Well, McGregor,

706
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Speaker 9: might you know counter you for the first two rounds,

707
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Speaker 9: win those two rounds, but in the fore round he

708
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Speaker 9: gets tired and you choke him out. You haven't won

709
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Speaker 9: on the judge's cards, but you win the fight because

710
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Speaker 9: that's good game planning, that's good martial arts. There is

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Speaker 9: that disconnect there, but there should be that disconnect there

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Speaker 9: because the reality is Connor McGregor has you know, countered

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Speaker 9: you for two rounds and hit you harder, so you

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Speaker 9: should win that round. So I feel like if we

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Speaker 9: acknowledged that disconnect a little bit more. I know wrestling

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Speaker 9: is a big part of it as well, because obviously

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Speaker 9: you know the top control. We saw what fight was

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Speaker 9: the Talian Santas of Anthony Nisha Shinko fight. It's said

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Speaker 9: in the second round it was three minutes thirty seconds

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Speaker 9: of top control. Now that was in the first and

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Speaker 9: second round, and it looked weird than the badcast I

722
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Speaker 9: was thinking it were. It has there hasn't been that

723
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Speaker 9: much fun. You look in that second round, Santa said

724
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Speaker 9: a long time of top control, but she didn't do

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Speaker 9: anything with it, Like and if you're just and that's

726
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Speaker 9: a big problem because if you're a wrestler, you're looking

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Speaker 9: at that go she's dominating the fight, but she's not

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Speaker 9: because she's not landing those impactful shots. And that is

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Speaker 9: a major disconnect as well. I think we have between

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Speaker 9: fighters who are rightly told to win those positions and

731
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Speaker 9: they should be that disconnect between the judges and what

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Speaker 9: they score in that position, but that disconnect can be

733
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Speaker 9: overcome by the fire landing a few more shots, going

734
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Speaker 9: for a few more submissions. That's easy for me to say,

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Speaker 9: but that's the reality of it. If you're playing a

736
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Speaker 9: soccer match, you can have ninety percent to the bug,

737
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Speaker 9: but if you don't put in the back and end,

738
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Speaker 9: it doesn't score it, right.

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Speaker 6: And I think that's that's what made mixed martial arts

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Speaker 6: so intriguing, right is because I think as far as

741
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Speaker 6: a hand to hand situation, it's supposed to mimic a

742
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Speaker 6: fight to the death the safest way, best way possible. Right,

743
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Speaker 6: So it's like if I want if I said, I

744
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Speaker 6: hate to say this as a grappler. But it is

745
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Speaker 6: true when you think about it. If I, you know,

746
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Speaker 6: take you down and I'm just controlling you and you're

747
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Speaker 6: fresh as a daisy and you're not impacted by what

748
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Speaker 6: I was doing to you, then I'm not hurting you.

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Speaker 8: I'm not winning the.

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Speaker 6: Fight to the death like I I need to be

751
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Speaker 6: doing things that are damaging you. That's making you not

752
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Speaker 6: move the same, that's making you not react the same.

753
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Speaker 6: You know, if I'm hurting your arm by breaking it, okay,

754
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Speaker 6: that's a different story. I'm forcing you to want to

755
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Speaker 6: give up, or I'm hitting you in the face of

756
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Speaker 6: the point where you don't look the same, you're not

757
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Speaker 6: moving the same. We are doing our best to try

758
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Speaker 6: to mimic a fight to the death and the same

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Speaker 6: the best way possible.

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Speaker 9: It's there's some very interesting fights, a very interested I

761
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Speaker 9: went back and I rewatched recently chel sonon versus Anderson Silva,

762
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Speaker 9: the first one whereas you know, you think, back in

763
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Speaker 9: that fight, what do you think Chill just dominated the

764
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Speaker 9: first four rounds, got submitted. I went back and watched

765
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Speaker 9: that fight night, Anderson winning or sorry, yeah, Anderson winning

766
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Speaker 9: a couple of those rounds because he impacted jail More.

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Speaker 9: And it's a weird one because I think that that

768
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Speaker 9: used to be a fight I would show people to

769
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Speaker 9: get him to watch MMA, you know, when I was

770
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Speaker 9: coming up in Ireland. But I went back and watching

771
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Speaker 9: its like it's a it's a very different fight back then.

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Speaker 9: And I saw you know, DC any show he was

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Speaker 9: talking about fighting against Gustafson and he was you know,

774
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Speaker 9: Laura Senko was on with him, and he said, well,

775
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Speaker 9: I controlled that fight against Gustson, but he probably landed

776
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Speaker 9: more impact than me. Why did I win that fight?

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Speaker 9: And I went back and I looked at the date

778
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Speaker 9: of that fight and it was before twenty seventeen. Because

779
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Speaker 9: that fight had happened a year down the line, then

780
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Speaker 9: Augustinson might have been the championship. So we need to

781
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Speaker 9: realize that disconnect as well. Like Ken, all your fights

782
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Speaker 9: would have been with the all scoring criteria.

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Speaker 6: I think about I literally was thinking about that and

784
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Speaker 6: far as like the Gray Mayard fight and some of

785
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Speaker 6: those fights.

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Speaker 8: In one decision, I was like, wait a sec, yeah,

787
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Speaker 8: you know, anyways, I would have been up. I only

788
00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:16,279
Speaker 8: would have watched lost once to be Jay right, right,

789
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Speaker 8: So Sean, when we book you in July, I think

790
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Speaker 8: I'm just going to book you for the whole show,

791
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Speaker 8: because I always feel like we're short changing things. One

792
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Speaker 8: thing I wanted to sort of get you out on

793
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Speaker 8: in terms of like your UFC two seventy six fight

794
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Speaker 8: day schedule. You know, I have a healthy respect for

795
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Speaker 8: a lot of people in Europe and in other parts

796
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Speaker 8: of the world that really have to compromise their sleep

797
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Speaker 8: schedule and their work week to ingest twenty five or

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Speaker 8: forty one of these UFC live events. So for a

799
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Speaker 8: pay per view of this magnitude, like what time do

800
00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:48,440
Speaker 8: you wake up, what time do you watch the fights?

801
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Speaker 8: And do you sleep at all?

802
00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:54,200
Speaker 9: I tried to sleep as much as I try to

803
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Speaker 9: stay up late on a Friday, and I you know,

804
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Speaker 9: put on a film or watching on drives back at

805
00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:01,239
Speaker 9: the moment. But I'm not just stay up till three

806
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:03,600
Speaker 9: or four in the morning on a Friday night, try

807
00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:06,279
Speaker 9: to sleep in as much as I can, But invariably

808
00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:08,000
Speaker 9: then someone rings you at like ten o'clock on a

809
00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:10,520
Speaker 9: Saturday morning and you have to go for breakfast, to

810
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:12,960
Speaker 9: go do something, and then your your wreck by the

811
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Speaker 9: time Saturday night comes. But yeah, usually it's the prelims

812
00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:21,600
Speaker 9: are midnight ish, the early prilms, and then it's always

813
00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:24,840
Speaker 9: one am prelium, you know, second part of the prebleums,

814
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Speaker 9: three am main card for the pay per us and

815
00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:29,040
Speaker 9: this weekend's got all my he does fight night cards

816
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Speaker 9: at a three am.

817
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Speaker 8: Oh forget it. So are you cracking out content right

818
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Speaker 8: after you're going to sleep at four or five A?

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Speaker 9: No, I gotta I gotta sleep, So the fight the

820
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Speaker 9: three am main card. I'm usually last night. I looked

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Speaker 9: at my I looked at my clock and I was

822
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Speaker 9: seven seventeen when I put down my phone to go

823
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Speaker 9: to sleep. So for the pay per views, I usually

824
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Speaker 9: watched the press conference, you know, they see what the

825
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Speaker 9: n SSA afterwards, and it's usually around eight thirty when

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Speaker 9: I'm going to sleep that morning, and then I do

827
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Speaker 9: the podcast, usually around twelve thirty or one. So I

828
00:35:56,840 --> 00:35:59,080
Speaker 9: got my good three and a half hours, four hours

829
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Speaker 9: sleep maybe, But sometimes then you have a fight and

830
00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:02,920
Speaker 9: you have an unbelievable men event and there's just no

831
00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:06,759
Speaker 9: sleeping after sleep, right, There's no sleeping after that. But yeah,

832
00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:08,680
Speaker 9: I usually get my three or four hours. I'm a

833
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Speaker 9: zombie on a Sunday in you know, and then I

834
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Speaker 9: have all my content to do for sure, dogging for

835
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Speaker 9: for severe mess starting on Monday and Tuesday and Wednesday.

836
00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:20,399
Speaker 9: So yeah, it's uh, it's tough, but I'm so used

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Speaker 9: to and now I've been doing it for nearly over

838
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Speaker 9: a decade, as you know, as a fan and as

839
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Speaker 9: someone covering the sport, and I'm used to it. But

840
00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:29,160
Speaker 9: it's it's tough, it's really, especially a weekend like this.

841
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Speaker 9: You know, we had Beltron PFL on Friday. I was

842
00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:35,680
Speaker 9: up until whatever time that was th in Cage where

843
00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:38,560
Speaker 9: I started at half seven for me here was finished

844
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Speaker 9: at eleven and had half an hour of a break

845
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Speaker 9: until twelve o'clock when you have c started and in

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Speaker 9: seven seventeen. So I was basically twelve hours straight watching

847
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Speaker 9: MM and UH and on Saturday.

848
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Speaker 4: But what a weekend. I wouldn't change it. I want

849
00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:50,040
Speaker 4: not giving up.

850
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Speaker 8: I love it and we appreciate your time. And you don't.

851
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:54,600
Speaker 8: You don't actually look tired man, no bags under your eyes.

852
00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:57,160
Speaker 8: You look good, you look fresh and months again. You

853
00:36:57,239 --> 00:37:01,879
Speaker 8: know you're well. You're a huge asset to the MMA

854
00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:03,880
Speaker 8: space and we appreciate you very much. The last thing

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Speaker 8: I will say, just because ray Long is not answering

856
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Speaker 8: his phone and I have another minute. In terms of

857
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Speaker 8: my verbal acknowledgment of strikes on a broadcast, right and statistics,

858
00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:17,200
Speaker 8: I feel like it's not much different than the betting line, right. Like,

859
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Speaker 8: basically my thesis statement is the stats in the betting

860
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Speaker 8: line doesn't really matter. It's just another lens through which

861
00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:25,640
Speaker 8: to look at the fight. The judges, monitors, it's a

862
00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:29,080
Speaker 8: program feed. They don't have statistics. Now you might see

863
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Speaker 8: me verbally pay off a graphic because my producers are

864
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Speaker 8: trying to acknowledge the strike discrepancy from head to body

865
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Speaker 8: to leg, and sometimes they want me to pay that off.

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Speaker 8: But would you agree that, generally speaking, like the stats,

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Speaker 8: even though we appreciate all the work that goes into

868
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Speaker 8: it and it's informational, that largely it's unofficial and doesn't

869
00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:50,000
Speaker 8: really mean a whole lot.

870
00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:52,880
Speaker 4: Yes, that's an mma are absolutely useless.

871
00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:55,440
Speaker 9: Like and this is someone who has a degree in

872
00:37:55,520 --> 00:37:57,799
Speaker 9: maths and there did a lot of statistics in my time,

873
00:37:58,440 --> 00:37:59,000
Speaker 9: just useless.

874
00:37:59,000 --> 00:37:59,960
Speaker 4: I like you seen in PSF.

875
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:01,640
Speaker 9: It's a great example because they're on the screen all

876
00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:03,719
Speaker 9: of the time, you know, and it's it might be

877
00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:07,560
Speaker 9: twenty strikes to twenty strikes and then you know, hen

878
00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:09,320
Speaker 9: fora hair, whoever it might be, comes out, lands a

879
00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:11,560
Speaker 9: big right hand and puts them down, and then it's

880
00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:13,520
Speaker 9: twenty one strikes to twenty strikes. But there's a big

881
00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:16,200
Speaker 9: difference between that one strike and the first twenty strikes

882
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:16,560
Speaker 9: that landed.

883
00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:16,800
Speaker 7: You know.

884
00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:19,040
Speaker 9: I was watching the Miles Price Jeremy Stevens fight my

885
00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:21,200
Speaker 9: country Man here, and you saw the betting line, the betting.

886
00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:23,080
Speaker 9: I love that in BFL, the way the betting line

887
00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:24,960
Speaker 9: changes as it goes. About the end of the fight,

888
00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:27,560
Speaker 9: Miles Brice is like minus four hundred or something and

889
00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:29,200
Speaker 9: Jeremy Stevens ended up winning the fight.

890
00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:34,239
Speaker 6: You know, But so it like it is, they missed,

891
00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:36,680
Speaker 6: they missed, like we were calling a fight and they

892
00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:39,160
Speaker 6: didn't count like two takedowns.

893
00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:41,040
Speaker 8: I was like, there's two takedowns. They didn't even count.

894
00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:42,960
Speaker 8: They weren't even up on the board anyway.

895
00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:45,600
Speaker 9: That's the point that really that really annoys me about

896
00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:47,880
Speaker 9: the statistics that come up on the on the on

897
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:50,480
Speaker 9: the screen and stuff like that, because okay, takedowns matter,

898
00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:52,239
Speaker 9: and it's look, it's part of the fight. I'm sure

899
00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:54,200
Speaker 9: if you're a coach you're analyzing it and go, okay,

900
00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:55,759
Speaker 9: you got three technoals. You need to do a bit

901
00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:58,359
Speaker 9: more that just even mix things up. If you're taking

902
00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:00,120
Speaker 9: lots of strikes, get a takedown, you won't be can

903
00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:02,200
Speaker 9: any strikes in for a while. But when you're talking

904
00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:03,759
Speaker 9: about like the fight, it stuflf when we're talking about

905
00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:06,600
Speaker 9: the scoring of the fight, like there was Camra got

906
00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:09,520
Speaker 9: a good few takedowns last night towards the second half

907
00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:11,920
Speaker 9: of the fight. And you know, one of them was

908
00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:13,440
Speaker 9: great because he landed stuff and he got on top,

909
00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:14,759
Speaker 9: but a lot of them are just tookn down, got

910
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:15,440
Speaker 9: strapped back up.

911
00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:16,719
Speaker 4: What you scoring that?

912
00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:16,960
Speaker 5: Like?

913
00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:17,520
Speaker 4: What difference?

914
00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:19,160
Speaker 9: Like it's it acts like it's a big thing, but

915
00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:21,160
Speaker 9: s if you throw a jab in at misses, that's

916
00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:23,200
Speaker 9: not a very big thing. Is it's the same thing

917
00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:25,120
Speaker 9: as you take, Yeah, getting the takedown and he gets

918
00:39:25,160 --> 00:39:28,040
Speaker 9: strapped back up. Look, it says in the creater area

919
00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:30,239
Speaker 9: that it's it's not just the changing of position, but

920
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:33,239
Speaker 9: right kind of as the times like, it can be

921
00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:35,759
Speaker 9: a very good changing of position. If you know, if

922
00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:39,120
Speaker 9: you're m magametav and you get a mount, well that's

923
00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:40,880
Speaker 9: a very good changing of position because the amount of

924
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:42,640
Speaker 9: damage you can do in that mount. But if you

925
00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:44,520
Speaker 9: don't do any damage in the mount, or if you

926
00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:46,640
Speaker 9: move into side control, like I always say, what have

927
00:39:46,719 --> 00:39:49,640
Speaker 9: be A lot of people would say that side control

928
00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:52,120
Speaker 9: is a better position than half guard, right, But if

929
00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:55,560
Speaker 9: you're even no Maga metav then that's completely incorrect because

930
00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:59,240
Speaker 9: he was so effective in that half guard the amount

931
00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:01,400
Speaker 9: of shots he could and with the control where the

932
00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:02,839
Speaker 9: person on the bottom could not move.

933
00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:04,320
Speaker 4: It was just for me anyway.

934
00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:07,280
Speaker 9: Maybe you disagree, but I thought that was a sway

935
00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:10,160
Speaker 9: more effective position. So for him to move and to

936
00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:12,840
Speaker 9: advance his position and go to a better position, I

937
00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:15,480
Speaker 9: actually think it diminishes him and it makes makes his

938
00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:18,359
Speaker 9: ability to land strikes even less. So it's it's all,

939
00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:20,040
Speaker 9: you know, It's all about who the fighter is and

940
00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:22,399
Speaker 9: what they actually do in that position, because like look

941
00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:24,200
Speaker 9: at Alexiolinik.

942
00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:25,000
Speaker 4: He wants you to mount him.

943
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:28,279
Speaker 9: So, yeah, is that the advantageous position if you know

944
00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:30,920
Speaker 9: he's fighting Derek Lewis and Derek Lewis mounted, Well, maybe

945
00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:32,440
Speaker 9: Turkulis is a pretty good mounts so maybe it is

946
00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:34,719
Speaker 9: for him, But whoever it might be, it's not an

947
00:40:34,719 --> 00:40:37,040
Speaker 9: advantageous position. If you get Ezekiel show up there and

948
00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:39,560
Speaker 9: you lose, it's what you do there, you know, So

949
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:42,759
Speaker 9: that that's a that's a big that's the biggest key

950
00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:44,400
Speaker 9: in mixed martial arts. I think it's what you do

951
00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:46,440
Speaker 9: in the position, not the position you have.

952
00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:48,480
Speaker 8: Right and you hit on a truth there. They don't

953
00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:51,320
Speaker 8: score takedowns like wrestling, so oftentimes when you hear frustration

954
00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:54,120
Speaker 8: on the broadcast from me or Daniel, it's because they haven't.

955
00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:56,120
Speaker 8: Actually it's a pint in a status.

956
00:40:56,160 --> 00:40:58,880
Speaker 4: Well though, like the judges aren't seeing those stats. Nobody

957
00:40:58,920 --> 00:40:59,680
Speaker 4: cares about those.

958
00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:02,200
Speaker 9: That just that is how many strikes they'll under the

959
00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:05,560
Speaker 9: the you know, the submissions they get after the takedown

960
00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:08,960
Speaker 9: are just pintless. If they give it, if they don't

961
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:11,920
Speaker 9: give it, mix less than zero difference to how to

962
00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:12,520
Speaker 9: fight his card.

963
00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:14,560
Speaker 8: All right, Well, I would encourage you to check out

964
00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:16,680
Speaker 8: the Severe mm A podcast. You can get more from

965
00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:19,040
Speaker 8: Shaan Shein on shir dog dot com at Severe m

966
00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:21,959
Speaker 8: m A and his personal handle at Shan she and BA.

967
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:24,360
Speaker 8: My man can't thank you enough. We will talk in

968
00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:26,520
Speaker 8: July and it's gonna be the Shawn Sheen Hour. So

969
00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:28,000
Speaker 8: buckle up, you're getting the whole fucking hour.

970
00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:30,560
Speaker 4: We need to we lead two hours. Thanks lads, I

971
00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:31,000
Speaker 4: appreciate it.

972
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:32,839
Speaker 8: Thank you. My man there he is the Great Shawn

973
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:35,240
Speaker 8: she and with us here on the Anakin Florian podcast.

974
00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:38,600
Speaker 8: And uh yeah, I mean there was a lot to

975
00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:42,800
Speaker 8: unpack from our judges and referees seminar and obviously I

976
00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:47,080
Speaker 8: have frustrations with certain things. There's Ray Longo Cho Ray

977
00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:48,359
Speaker 8: Long minute, what's up my man?

978
00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:48,960
Speaker 3: Hey?

979
00:41:49,160 --> 00:41:51,880
Speaker 10: You know that guy, the guy at least was a

980
00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:54,359
Speaker 10: common sense a little bit. That's why I say, can't

981
00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:56,680
Speaker 10: we just hear from the judges. I want to hear

982
00:41:56,760 --> 00:41:59,400
Speaker 10: the judges talk like that guy, you know, with the

983
00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:02,239
Speaker 10: position thing at least, whether we agree with it or not.

984
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:03,640
Speaker 3: Can we hear it?

985
00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:04,600
Speaker 8: Right?

986
00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:09,600
Speaker 3: I like the Bruce Lee shirt very nice.

987
00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:14,120
Speaker 8: They are very much discouraged from, uh from grabbing a microphone.

988
00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:17,120
Speaker 10: You know, why what did you ask that question while

989
00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:17,680
Speaker 10: you were at the seat.

990
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:19,160
Speaker 8: Talked a little bit about it, and you know, I

991
00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:21,239
Speaker 8: sort of offered up. I said, hey, I'll interview a

992
00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:24,759
Speaker 8: judge on the anak Implorian Podcast. I'll send it in

993
00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:30,640
Speaker 8: to the UFC's executive vice president of Regulatory Affairs, the

994
00:42:30,680 --> 00:42:32,840
Speaker 8: Great Mark Ratner, or I'll send it in if they

995
00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:35,640
Speaker 8: want to vet the content, you know. But to me,

996
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:38,040
Speaker 8: I actually think it would help the judges a little

997
00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:39,920
Speaker 8: bit if they could acknowledge a bad scorecard.

998
00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:40,080
Speaker 1: You know.

999
00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:44,960
Speaker 8: Keith Peterson, right, he stopped that Domina Cruz Henry Sahudo fight.

1000
00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:47,959
Speaker 8: In my opinion, retrospectively, I think it was an early

1001
00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:50,279
Speaker 8: stoppage now at this seminar. I talked to Herb Dean

1002
00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:53,120
Speaker 8: about it after Dominic had left, and herbdid sent, you know,

1003
00:42:53,239 --> 00:42:55,000
Speaker 8: you have an early stoppage, you have a late stoppage,

1004
00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:57,160
Speaker 8: and then you have this range where it's acceptable. He

1005
00:42:57,239 --> 00:42:59,919
Speaker 8: felt like the Peterson stoppage was in that acceptable range.

1006
00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:04,840
Speaker 8: But Keith Peterson, whom I love and whom I defended

1007
00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:07,040
Speaker 8: for the whole cigarettes and beer thing, he has effectively

1008
00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:09,960
Speaker 8: changed his style since that fight. He has learned from

1009
00:43:10,040 --> 00:43:12,600
Speaker 8: that fight. I can point to eight or ten examples

1010
00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:15,480
Speaker 8: where Keith Peterson now has a longer leash, you know,

1011
00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:18,080
Speaker 8: And it certainly would be nice for Dominic Cruz if

1012
00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:20,040
Speaker 8: Keith would say, hey, you know what, if I could

1013
00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:22,719
Speaker 8: go back, I would still have stopped that fight then

1014
00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:25,080
Speaker 8: and there, or maybe because it was a championship setting

1015
00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:27,359
Speaker 8: and Cruz had posted maybe I would have given him

1016
00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:29,479
Speaker 8: a little bit of a longer leash. But to your point,

1017
00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:31,759
Speaker 8: it's very hard for these athletes when the referees and

1018
00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:36,000
Speaker 8: judges never have to acknowledge it for their decisions.

1019
00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:38,040
Speaker 10: Yeah, I mean, I think the thing with Keith Peterson

1020
00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:39,960
Speaker 10: is that you would have to go back before that

1021
00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:42,080
Speaker 10: fight and see how he was doing it too.

1022
00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:44,160
Speaker 3: Because you're saying he changed because of that.

1023
00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:46,640
Speaker 10: But he might have just had a bad night because

1024
00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:49,440
Speaker 10: if you go before that fight, I don't think he

1025
00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:52,160
Speaker 10: was stopping fights early bare point.

1026
00:43:52,520 --> 00:43:56,560
Speaker 8: I just feel like he has demonstrably been giving guys

1027
00:43:56,640 --> 00:43:58,640
Speaker 8: a little bit, you know, an extra beat here or there,

1028
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:00,920
Speaker 8: because I think in some way, shape or form as

1029
00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:02,799
Speaker 8: a human being, that's in the back of his head.

1030
00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:05,279
Speaker 10: I could be wrong. You know, I heard you had

1031
00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:09,120
Speaker 10: a big weekend. Huh oh man ju JITs James killed it.

1032
00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:12,040
Speaker 10: I thought, you know what, you know what the big

1033
00:44:12,120 --> 00:44:15,000
Speaker 10: weekend was. I was on my way up and my

1034
00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:18,560
Speaker 10: tire blew out. Oh no, so I had to be

1035
00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:22,239
Speaker 10: there by seven. I guess they're doing they still. I

1036
00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:24,400
Speaker 10: don't know the COVID thing. I don't even know if

1037
00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:27,080
Speaker 10: anybody knows what it is anymore. But I had to

1038
00:44:27,120 --> 00:44:29,480
Speaker 10: be up there by seven for it, so obviously I

1039
00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:30,279
Speaker 10: couldn't make the fight.

1040
00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:34,080
Speaker 3: So that sucked. Can you got those run flats? You

1041
00:44:34,200 --> 00:44:34,840
Speaker 3: have that on your car?

1042
00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:36,560
Speaker 8: I do on one of my cars.

1043
00:44:36,600 --> 00:44:40,640
Speaker 10: I do what I'm never I'm on my tenth tire

1044
00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:44,439
Speaker 10: in the Long Island. The roads, I mean they suck.

1045
00:44:44,520 --> 00:44:46,719
Speaker 10: I hit a I mean I had to come home

1046
00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:50,759
Speaker 10: like thirty miles on zero pressure. It's just horrible. You

1047
00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:54,080
Speaker 10: can't go above like thirty. Man, Now that really is

1048
00:44:54,719 --> 00:45:01,920
Speaker 10: the I don't know. The streets, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm

1049
00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:05,319
Speaker 10: not dealing with Kenny. I swear to god. I guess

1050
00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:08,719
Speaker 10: they're great if you have a flat road. Right, I

1051
00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:10,719
Speaker 10: can't do it anymore. I'm done.

1052
00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:14,160
Speaker 8: No, I mean the streets in my native Massachusetts, it's

1053
00:45:14,239 --> 00:45:16,160
Speaker 8: a fucking joke. I've got it.

1054
00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:20,319
Speaker 10: Oh, there's got to be bad, but Long Island is Yeah,

1055
00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:22,840
Speaker 10: just give us a flat road, please for the money

1056
00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:23,719
Speaker 10: for the way.

1057
00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:24,880
Speaker 4: I like that, Yeah, yeah, I have.

1058
00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:27,320
Speaker 8: You know, you guys don't pay enough taxes. That's what

1059
00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:30,120
Speaker 8: it is. Yeah, I like this conversation, right, like I

1060
00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:32,120
Speaker 8: wanted to talk about your Father's day dinner. I have

1061
00:45:32,239 --> 00:45:35,120
Speaker 8: enough mixed. Marshal, I like to talk about flat time.

1062
00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:36,440
Speaker 3: I sent you a picture of it.

1063
00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:40,080
Speaker 8: Yeah, I know I had it look had it look amazing,

1064
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:44,279
Speaker 8: amazing place. So, uh, you know, I kind of wanted

1065
00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:46,239
Speaker 8: to get your thoughts on last night's main event, but

1066
00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:48,360
Speaker 8: I did want to focus the ten or so minutes

1067
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:51,839
Speaker 8: that we have today on on UFC two seventy six.

1068
00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:53,839
Speaker 8: And I do appreciate I appreciate you waking up early

1069
00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:56,320
Speaker 8: for me. I have some voiceover obligations here in Vegas

1070
00:45:56,600 --> 00:45:59,080
Speaker 8: at about forty five minutes. But did you see that

1071
00:45:59,160 --> 00:46:02,080
Speaker 8: main event last night with armand Sara Giana Matas Gamarrad

1072
00:46:02,080 --> 00:46:03,080
Speaker 8: And if so, what were your thoughts?

1073
00:46:04,040 --> 00:46:04,239
Speaker 3: Man?

1074
00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:07,520
Speaker 10: High level, about as evenly matched as you could have

1075
00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:12,279
Speaker 10: two guys matched up. Uh, I would have given it

1076
00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:15,160
Speaker 10: to the other guy, but just super close fight. I

1077
00:46:15,239 --> 00:46:18,320
Speaker 10: thought most of the damage done on the feet was

1078
00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:20,239
Speaker 10: by him. I mean, he has a knockdown with the

1079
00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:22,640
Speaker 10: spin back fist, but I think four and five were Rezi.

1080
00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:26,520
Speaker 10: I think you give that to uh Gamma and uh,

1081
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:30,080
Speaker 10: look it's one of those fights though there's nothing.

1082
00:46:30,239 --> 00:46:33,319
Speaker 3: I mean, that was a high level fight man that.

1083
00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:38,359
Speaker 10: Was evenly matched, but he landed huge kicks. I thought

1084
00:46:38,520 --> 00:46:44,320
Speaker 10: just the damage was to the armand right, but not

1085
00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:46,320
Speaker 10: a I don't know how you are both guys. I

1086
00:46:46,360 --> 00:46:48,839
Speaker 10: wouldn't take anything away from one either guy. The other

1087
00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:50,680
Speaker 10: guy looked like he was in the state of shock,

1088
00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:55,520
Speaker 10: but they made no scrambles. Kenny were phenomenal.

1089
00:46:56,040 --> 00:46:56,759
Speaker 3: I mean, I I do.

1090
00:46:57,239 --> 00:46:59,000
Speaker 10: That's what I'm saying. If you like I'm you know,

1091
00:46:59,160 --> 00:47:01,839
Speaker 10: I'm not even I'm not into the wrestling. I mean,

1092
00:47:01,840 --> 00:47:04,359
Speaker 10: I obviously have to be into it. But I could

1093
00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:07,279
Speaker 10: watch that ship all day long. I mean, nobody given up,

1094
00:47:07,640 --> 00:47:10,000
Speaker 10: nobody given an eighth of an inch. I mean, it

1095
00:47:10,160 --> 00:47:14,040
Speaker 10: was crazy, crazy. It reminded me of when he fought

1096
00:47:15,120 --> 00:47:19,399
Speaker 10: Makhlatchev Islam at that time. Note, I said, this kid

1097
00:47:19,560 --> 00:47:24,000
Speaker 10: is he He's good, maybe a little undersized, but he's

1098
00:47:24,120 --> 00:47:29,680
Speaker 10: a oh man, oh man. They were powerful, too powerful,

1099
00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:33,840
Speaker 10: but catching the kicks up on one leg, still not

1100
00:47:34,040 --> 00:47:39,040
Speaker 10: going down, being run across the agan thinking the guy's down,

1101
00:47:39,120 --> 00:47:42,640
Speaker 10: he's crazy. It was just a beautiful fight, really a

1102
00:47:42,680 --> 00:47:46,120
Speaker 10: beautiful fight to watch. So, I mean, I hope everybody

1103
00:47:46,239 --> 00:47:48,520
Speaker 10: just enjoyed. I don't even that's a fighter. I wouldn't

1104
00:47:48,520 --> 00:47:49,000
Speaker 10: even want.

1105
00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:52,040
Speaker 8: To score, right, you know, So I'm watching the prelims

1106
00:47:52,080 --> 00:47:54,680
Speaker 8: with Domina Cruz, who is out here in Las Vegas.

1107
00:47:54,719 --> 00:47:56,120
Speaker 8: We were out here for the seminar and neither of

1108
00:47:56,200 --> 00:47:57,759
Speaker 8: us were working the show last night. So we're at

1109
00:47:57,800 --> 00:48:00,480
Speaker 8: a restaurant watching the prelims on his phone and he

1110
00:48:00,560 --> 00:48:03,520
Speaker 8: pulls up the feed and it's in Spanish, right, So

1111
00:48:03,560 --> 00:48:06,120
Speaker 8: I'm thinking, is he watching in Spanish, because like Marlon

1112
00:48:06,200 --> 00:48:10,880
Speaker 8: Chieto Vera, his opponent is the Spanish. Tom understands some Spanish,

1113
00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:13,920
Speaker 8: maybe not as much as Kenny Florian per se, but

1114
00:48:13,960 --> 00:48:17,480
Speaker 8: I'm sort of wondering why he's watching the broadcast in Spanish, right.

1115
00:48:18,320 --> 00:48:20,520
Speaker 8: So then we go to his house, right, and he

1116
00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:22,239
Speaker 8: puts the fights on, and I'm thinking, all right, this

1117
00:48:22,360 --> 00:48:24,480
Speaker 8: is going to be in English now, and it's still

1118
00:48:24,520 --> 00:48:26,480
Speaker 8: in Spanish, you know. And then I'm like, well, at

1119
00:48:26,560 --> 00:48:28,640
Speaker 8: least with Michael Bisbey's interviewing somebody after the fight, I

1120
00:48:28,680 --> 00:48:31,520
Speaker 8: can actually understand that because it's in English, but just

1121
00:48:31,719 --> 00:48:33,200
Speaker 8: absolutely hilarious.

1122
00:48:33,480 --> 00:48:38,160
Speaker 10: But I'm saying, he did that to bust your bulls obviously, Yeah,

1123
00:48:38,200 --> 00:48:40,520
Speaker 10: I guess so, or to you know, I had no

1124
00:48:40,719 --> 00:48:42,920
Speaker 10: choice but to tweet about it, you know, he doesn't.

1125
00:48:44,560 --> 00:48:47,719
Speaker 8: It was funny at first, and then man, you know

1126
00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:52,640
Speaker 8: the broadcast, you know, But all right, I would like

1127
00:48:52,680 --> 00:48:54,960
Speaker 8: to ask you a little bit about UFC two seventy six,

1128
00:48:55,040 --> 00:48:57,360
Speaker 8: and I wanted to start with Max Holloway and Alexander

1129
00:48:57,440 --> 00:49:01,560
Speaker 8: Volkanovsky because their second fight was exceedingly close. Since that fight,

1130
00:49:01,960 --> 00:49:05,560
Speaker 8: Max Holloway put forth what I think is the maybe

1131
00:49:05,680 --> 00:49:08,640
Speaker 8: the singular greatest performance I've ever seen against Calvin Cator,

1132
00:49:08,680 --> 00:49:10,680
Speaker 8: and then he beat Yaya Rodriguez. On the other side,

1133
00:49:10,680 --> 00:49:14,640
Speaker 8: Alexander Volkanowski looks like he's ten times the fighter than

1134
00:49:14,680 --> 00:49:17,759
Speaker 8: he was in that second fight with Max Holloway. So

1135
00:49:18,600 --> 00:49:20,880
Speaker 8: as we sit here early in the fight week, Volkanovsky

1136
00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:23,480
Speaker 8: is minus one eighty. Max Holloway is plus one fifty five.

1137
00:49:23,680 --> 00:49:24,200
Speaker 8: What are you having?

1138
00:49:25,680 --> 00:49:27,960
Speaker 10: Exactly what Kenny has? I'm shaking my head.

1139
00:49:28,760 --> 00:49:29,160
Speaker 3: What do you do?

1140
00:49:29,480 --> 00:49:31,000
Speaker 8: Yeah, I have no way.

1141
00:49:31,239 --> 00:49:32,960
Speaker 10: I mean, all I'm gonna do is make shit up

1142
00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:38,719
Speaker 10: at this point. I mean, look, I'm gonna say this,

1143
00:49:39,200 --> 00:49:42,839
Speaker 10: Holloway needs to have a Cata type performance to win

1144
00:49:42,960 --> 00:49:45,040
Speaker 10: that fight, right. I don't think they're gonna give it.

1145
00:49:45,080 --> 00:49:47,400
Speaker 10: I think a close fight is going to go to

1146
00:49:47,520 --> 00:49:52,239
Speaker 10: Volkanowski again. Unfortunately, even if he's slightly ahead. I think

1147
00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:55,520
Speaker 10: he needs to really have a dominant performance and it's

1148
00:49:55,560 --> 00:50:00,960
Speaker 10: going to be really tough against Volklanowski. But uh, you know,

1149
00:50:01,280 --> 00:50:02,920
Speaker 10: I mean he looks like he came up with a

1150
00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:05,520
Speaker 10: couple of different things with how how he's sparr and

1151
00:50:05,640 --> 00:50:06,480
Speaker 10: how he's preparing.

1152
00:50:06,560 --> 00:50:09,399
Speaker 3: So maybe they'll carry through to this fight. We'll see.

1153
00:50:09,480 --> 00:50:10,840
Speaker 3: But uh.

1154
00:50:12,520 --> 00:50:15,279
Speaker 10: And with that being said, I you know, you kind

1155
00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:18,239
Speaker 10: of like Holloway, I think because you kind of like him,

1156
00:50:18,280 --> 00:50:20,600
Speaker 10: But the other I don't know, I really don't know.

1157
00:50:21,160 --> 00:50:27,919
Speaker 10: It is minus yeah, minus eight kind of yeah, what's

1158
00:50:28,160 --> 00:50:30,960
Speaker 10: what's uh Holloway plus.

1159
00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:35,520
Speaker 8: What plus one fifty five? I mean, largely for me,

1160
00:50:35,640 --> 00:50:37,920
Speaker 8: I just screams, lay off and find another fight to

1161
00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:40,839
Speaker 8: bet on. I think on that. I just I lead

1162
00:50:40,920 --> 00:50:43,160
Speaker 8: with that because I really feel like historically we're going

1163
00:50:43,239 --> 00:50:44,840
Speaker 8: to go back and look at this series and this

1164
00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:46,920
Speaker 8: might not be their last meeting, but this is one

1165
00:50:46,920 --> 00:50:48,319
Speaker 8: of the biggest fights in the history of the sport

1166
00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:50,160
Speaker 8: that's happening, and it's a co eddline, which is just.

1167
00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:55,839
Speaker 10: It's a little bit of like the little guys, uh figuredo,

1168
00:50:56,000 --> 00:51:01,520
Speaker 10: and you know, they just really so imagine if if

1169
00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:05,239
Speaker 10: if Gammett was the champion and he has to keep

1170
00:51:05,320 --> 00:51:08,000
Speaker 10: fighting this guy. Dude, those fights are close, man, right,

1171
00:51:08,040 --> 00:51:10,319
Speaker 10: I mean I see, I don't know if one guy

1172
00:51:10,480 --> 00:51:13,520
Speaker 10: has it in him to be dominant, Like after watching that,

1173
00:51:13,760 --> 00:51:17,040
Speaker 10: like it just it was just a great fight that

1174
00:51:17,360 --> 00:51:22,440
Speaker 10: was very evenly matched up. I mean like evenly matched

1175
00:51:22,480 --> 00:51:25,560
Speaker 10: up at a high level, like not too you know,

1176
00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:28,520
Speaker 10: like Gotty Ward was a good fight, but it's not

1177
00:51:28,719 --> 00:51:29,680
Speaker 10: high level boxing.

1178
00:51:29,840 --> 00:51:29,960
Speaker 3: Right.

1179
00:51:30,040 --> 00:51:33,360
Speaker 10: It was good boxing, right, really good, but these guys

1180
00:51:33,400 --> 00:51:36,080
Speaker 10: were that it was off the hook, I thought to me.

1181
00:51:36,640 --> 00:51:38,359
Speaker 8: And it's a little bit of a tricky thing from

1182
00:51:38,400 --> 00:51:40,920
Speaker 8: a matchmaking perspective at featherweight, because we do have a

1183
00:51:40,960 --> 00:51:43,320
Speaker 8: show on ABC in a few weeks. Yeah, you're Rodriguez

1184
00:51:43,360 --> 00:51:45,200
Speaker 8: and Brian Ortega will be in the main event. You know,

1185
00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:47,160
Speaker 8: the cupboard is not bear at all, right, I mean,

1186
00:51:47,239 --> 00:51:50,120
Speaker 8: Josh Emmitt obviously has emerged. You have Arnold Allen, Calvin

1187
00:51:50,160 --> 00:51:53,480
Speaker 8: Cater to whatever degree. But if Max Holloway wins on

1188
00:51:53,640 --> 00:51:56,799
Speaker 8: points and puts an end to Alexander Volkonowski's twenty one

1189
00:51:56,840 --> 00:51:58,759
Speaker 8: fight winning street, I mean, you don't think there were

1190
00:51:58,760 --> 00:52:00,759
Speaker 8: the grounds for a fourth meeting between these two guys.

1191
00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:03,759
Speaker 8: So I think if you're Yeah, you're Rodriguez, who is

1192
00:52:03,840 --> 00:52:07,080
Speaker 8: long overdue. In my mind, you just need something clean here.

1193
00:52:07,160 --> 00:52:10,000
Speaker 8: Ideally you're getting a finish, you know, from Volkanovski or

1194
00:52:10,080 --> 00:52:13,359
Speaker 8: something that will just give you the finality you need

1195
00:52:13,520 --> 00:52:15,440
Speaker 8: so that the division can move forward. I'm not sure

1196
00:52:15,520 --> 00:52:17,440
Speaker 8: we get it. I think this fight and the result

1197
00:52:17,520 --> 00:52:18,680
Speaker 8: might set the stage for a fourteen.

1198
00:52:19,160 --> 00:52:20,719
Speaker 10: Yeah, I mean, the only thing I can say is like,

1199
00:52:20,800 --> 00:52:23,960
Speaker 10: if I'm Holloway, I know I have to put like

1200
00:52:24,080 --> 00:52:28,520
Speaker 10: an exclamation point. So I think he's got the motivation

1201
00:52:28,840 --> 00:52:32,320
Speaker 10: to real he's got to up something right. He has to.

1202
00:52:33,440 --> 00:52:36,120
Speaker 10: He has to stand out in this fight, and he's

1203
00:52:36,239 --> 00:52:39,040
Speaker 10: definitely got the ability to do it. I think maybe

1204
00:52:40,239 --> 00:52:42,360
Speaker 10: in those fights, you know, he's just so comfortable and

1205
00:52:42,400 --> 00:52:45,680
Speaker 10: maybe he thinks he's winning, but now he's really got

1206
00:52:45,800 --> 00:52:48,759
Speaker 10: to go. Now he knows that that isn't going to

1207
00:52:48,800 --> 00:52:51,680
Speaker 10: get him to win, and he's got the volume to

1208
00:52:51,800 --> 00:52:57,560
Speaker 10: really push a crazy fight. So I'm actually leaning towards Holloway.

1209
00:52:57,600 --> 00:53:00,239
Speaker 10: It just it's hard to It's hard to do it with,

1210
00:53:01,880 --> 00:53:03,759
Speaker 10: you know, like the guy I'd rather stay away from

1211
00:53:03,800 --> 00:53:08,000
Speaker 10: the fight. But and Volkanowski's such a steady eddie that

1212
00:53:08,440 --> 00:53:12,520
Speaker 10: how do you, you know, get past that. I don't know,

1213
00:53:12,880 --> 00:53:15,560
Speaker 10: but you're right though. It's but Holloway, he's gotta he's got.

1214
00:53:15,520 --> 00:53:17,239
Speaker 3: To be totally. He's just got to be.

1215
00:53:18,960 --> 00:53:21,360
Speaker 10: Head and shoulders above what people are looking at, like

1216
00:53:21,440 --> 00:53:23,120
Speaker 10: I think, so he's not going.

1217
00:53:23,080 --> 00:53:25,960
Speaker 8: To get it, you know, well, I appreciate your answering

1218
00:53:26,040 --> 00:53:28,840
Speaker 8: the wake up call early today. Cody says, sometimes you

1219
00:53:28,920 --> 00:53:31,480
Speaker 8: sleep into the PM on the weekends, but you look great.

1220
00:53:31,520 --> 00:53:32,520
Speaker 3: You look for PM.

1221
00:53:33,040 --> 00:53:36,120
Speaker 8: Yeah, he says, you sleep sometimes until afternoon. Is that true?

1222
00:53:36,960 --> 00:53:38,799
Speaker 3: I get my pms early in the morning.

1223
00:53:41,560 --> 00:53:41,759
Speaker 8: Yeah.

1224
00:53:42,120 --> 00:53:44,560
Speaker 3: Wait, what about what about the comte? What about the

1225
00:53:44,640 --> 00:53:45,720
Speaker 3: comte that make Kenny?

1226
00:53:46,239 --> 00:53:49,880
Speaker 10: Yeah, I like the like those. I like those Russian

1227
00:53:49,960 --> 00:53:52,120
Speaker 10: hats like kabebe Wiz and Morob Wiz.

1228
00:53:52,160 --> 00:53:52,600
Speaker 3: If different.

1229
00:53:52,640 --> 00:53:54,759
Speaker 10: This guy had a full fledged raccoon on his head,

1230
00:53:54,920 --> 00:53:57,959
Speaker 10: you know, he said, Kenny, the thing out a tail.

1231
00:53:58,920 --> 00:54:00,799
Speaker 10: I really thought it was like the honeymoons. We were

1232
00:54:00,800 --> 00:54:03,200
Speaker 10: going to get the old raccoon. The raccoon salute.

1233
00:54:03,760 --> 00:54:06,799
Speaker 8: Probably kill. He probably killed with his bare hands, Yeah

1234
00:54:07,360 --> 00:54:07,640
Speaker 8: he did.

1235
00:54:08,160 --> 00:54:10,160
Speaker 3: I thought he was fighting Davy Crockett for a minute.

1236
00:54:10,200 --> 00:54:10,920
Speaker 10: I'm not joking.

1237
00:54:11,960 --> 00:54:14,720
Speaker 3: But the kids, that kid looks that kid's That kid's

1238
00:54:14,719 --> 00:54:15,440
Speaker 3: a problem though.

1239
00:54:15,560 --> 00:54:17,640
Speaker 8: No, he's a real problem. You guys.

1240
00:54:21,320 --> 00:54:25,200
Speaker 10: What you and on this farm, we had a raccoon yea.

1241
00:54:25,440 --> 00:54:31,960
Speaker 10: I oh Jesus Marian Joseph wore because we we we

1242
00:54:32,480 --> 00:54:35,640
Speaker 10: uh got past the other thing. Jiu jitsu, James, I

1243
00:54:35,719 --> 00:54:38,480
Speaker 10: made it about my fucking tie, which it wasn't. What

1244
00:54:38,600 --> 00:54:40,719
Speaker 10: a what a what a great fight for that guy.

1245
00:54:40,760 --> 00:54:43,360
Speaker 10: The guy was ranked number nine. I'm sure he was

1246
00:54:43,400 --> 00:54:45,400
Speaker 10: brought in to lose. The other guy was six. And

1247
00:54:45,480 --> 00:54:48,560
Speaker 10: oh but man, James, what a great fight. So happy

1248
00:54:48,600 --> 00:54:51,160
Speaker 10: for this kid. He does a lot for the gym,

1249
00:54:51,239 --> 00:54:55,239
Speaker 10: and he's just uh, he hasn't had the easiest upbringing,

1250
00:54:55,440 --> 00:54:57,960
Speaker 10: and just to see him, I hope they do the

1251
00:54:58,040 --> 00:55:00,680
Speaker 10: right thing by him, because he does nerves it. He's

1252
00:55:00,920 --> 00:55:05,160
Speaker 10: he's he's really just a nice kid, and he's got

1253
00:55:05,160 --> 00:55:06,800
Speaker 10: a couple of mouths to feed. So I hope, I

1254
00:55:06,880 --> 00:55:09,359
Speaker 10: hope they do the right thing by him. Yeah, really, Kenny,

1255
00:55:09,360 --> 00:55:11,759
Speaker 10: you'd like mma. Jiu jitsu was good. I don't know

1256
00:55:11,760 --> 00:55:13,560
Speaker 10: if you sort of Oh no, you were you actually

1257
00:55:13,600 --> 00:55:16,200
Speaker 10: were at you were commentating, which was crazy too.

1258
00:55:16,280 --> 00:55:19,000
Speaker 3: I was flipping back and forth. Uh, you got some

1259
00:55:19,080 --> 00:55:21,680
Speaker 3: good fights, so Chris Wade. Shout out. Shout out to

1260
00:55:21,760 --> 00:55:30,080
Speaker 3: Chris Wade too. Yeah, yeah, yeah, he's He's on fire,

1261
00:55:30,239 --> 00:55:30,600
Speaker 3: that guy.

1262
00:55:31,080 --> 00:55:34,479
Speaker 10: Ever since leaving the UFC, He's he was always tough,

1263
00:55:35,000 --> 00:55:37,440
Speaker 10: but I think he's so relaxed now. You're just seeing

1264
00:55:38,360 --> 00:55:40,920
Speaker 10: the total expression of what Chris Wade wants to do,

1265
00:55:41,040 --> 00:55:43,279
Speaker 10: and he's He's always had it for sure.

1266
00:55:43,280 --> 00:55:45,920
Speaker 3: I've seen him in the gym, but he is on fire.

1267
00:55:46,080 --> 00:55:47,359
Speaker 3: That Congrats to him.

1268
00:55:47,960 --> 00:55:50,360
Speaker 8: Yeah, he's one of the few New Yorkers I actually

1269
00:55:50,440 --> 00:55:52,360
Speaker 8: wrote pretty hard for. You know, I felt like that

1270
00:55:52,520 --> 00:55:55,960
Speaker 8: really from the matchmaking standpoint in the UFC, I felt like,

1271
00:55:56,160 --> 00:55:58,200
Speaker 8: you know, they certainly didn't do him any favors and

1272
00:55:58,239 --> 00:55:59,799
Speaker 8: maybe there were some close fights that could have gone

1273
00:55:59,800 --> 00:56:01,439
Speaker 8: his way. So I've always sort of had a soft

1274
00:56:01,480 --> 00:56:03,279
Speaker 8: spot for Chris Wade. But you know, he's fighting a

1275
00:56:03,320 --> 00:56:06,160
Speaker 8: fucking Bostonian Kyle Bocknyak. Was he not? Was he not?

1276
00:56:08,320 --> 00:56:08,600
Speaker 3: All? Right?

1277
00:56:08,680 --> 00:56:10,920
Speaker 8: Raymond? Well, uh, we're gonna let you go. We got

1278
00:56:10,960 --> 00:56:12,280
Speaker 8: Brian Petree waiting in the wings.

1279
00:56:12,360 --> 00:56:14,760
Speaker 3: Oh, Brian Petre's in the wings.

1280
00:56:14,800 --> 00:56:18,239
Speaker 8: And when that brother has COVID sick as a fucking dog.

1281
00:56:18,400 --> 00:56:20,919
Speaker 8: So probably not coming out for UFC. Two seventy six.

1282
00:56:21,560 --> 00:56:22,640
Speaker 3: He does have COVID.

1283
00:56:22,960 --> 00:56:25,879
Speaker 8: Yeah, first time, got him good. Yeah, got him good.

1284
00:56:26,000 --> 00:56:27,400
Speaker 3: You know, got the vaccination.

1285
00:56:28,800 --> 00:56:30,640
Speaker 8: Yeah, he's got all that stuff. He's got all the

1286
00:56:31,000 --> 00:56:33,520
Speaker 8: booster and his daughter got pretty sick too with it.

1287
00:56:33,680 --> 00:56:36,320
Speaker 3: So yeah, man, that is crazy.

1288
00:56:36,520 --> 00:56:40,879
Speaker 8: Man is getting slammed right now, whatever it's worth.

1289
00:56:40,960 --> 00:56:41,920
Speaker 3: You know, my.

1290
00:56:43,520 --> 00:56:47,319
Speaker 8: Camp is rampant. I mean more than I think two

1291
00:56:47,400 --> 00:56:48,520
Speaker 8: dozen cases or something.

1292
00:56:48,880 --> 00:56:52,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's crazy man, Long Island. I don't know. Definitely,

1293
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Speaker 3: nobody's in the hospital for sure. Yeah. I always check

1294
00:56:55,239 --> 00:56:59,040
Speaker 3: in with that. But uh, it's crazy man. That's but

1295
00:56:59,120 --> 00:57:01,640
Speaker 3: I feel bit about that. I'm glad. I I'm glad

1296
00:57:01,680 --> 00:57:03,480
Speaker 3: I sent them what I ate. So maybe that made

1297
00:57:03,520 --> 00:57:04,080
Speaker 3: him feel better.

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00:57:04,719 --> 00:57:04,919
Speaker 4: Yeah.

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00:57:06,239 --> 00:57:09,640
Speaker 8: Yeah. Last week when we did the show on Father's

1300
00:57:09,719 --> 00:57:12,279
Speaker 8: Day and I just started to softly bring you in

1301
00:57:12,400 --> 00:57:14,000
Speaker 8: and you just all you wanted to do was talk

1302
00:57:14,000 --> 00:57:15,440
Speaker 8: about fighting. How about this?

1303
00:57:15,840 --> 00:57:16,360
Speaker 3: How about this?

1304
00:57:16,480 --> 00:57:18,200
Speaker 10: In a couple of weeks when you come out called

1305
00:57:18,240 --> 00:57:19,800
Speaker 10: out a half, I'll take you there on me.

1306
00:57:20,920 --> 00:57:23,200
Speaker 8: There is no doubt I am prioritizing.

1307
00:57:23,480 --> 00:57:26,400
Speaker 3: Let me tell you something. We go to whatever restaurant

1308
00:57:26,440 --> 00:57:26,920
Speaker 3: you want.

1309
00:57:27,080 --> 00:57:29,960
Speaker 8: I'll go wherever you want. You know, I want to

1310
00:57:30,480 --> 00:57:32,240
Speaker 8: Mark Henry's joint because I don't want to talk about

1311
00:57:32,240 --> 00:57:32,880
Speaker 8: buffalo bills.

1312
00:57:32,920 --> 00:57:35,680
Speaker 11: But anywhere else you want and you want time angle

1313
00:57:35,760 --> 00:57:43,560
Speaker 11: and shrimp id oh, and make sure those flavors my treat,

1314
00:57:43,920 --> 00:57:45,439
Speaker 11: my treat, no, no, my treat.

1315
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Speaker 8: You well use we'll use use the ask chemo if

1316
00:57:50,240 --> 00:57:58,560
Speaker 8: we can use the anak and floria LLC car right, yes, yeah, right, evening.

1317
00:57:58,680 --> 00:58:00,600
Speaker 3: All right, call me this week. I'm any catch up

1318
00:58:00,640 --> 00:58:00,800
Speaker 3: on that.

1319
00:58:01,400 --> 00:58:04,800
Speaker 8: I know you. Yeah, we had that Judges and Refereeing seminar.

1320
00:58:05,240 --> 00:58:08,920
Speaker 10: You love to hear all about I'd love to hear

1321
00:58:09,040 --> 00:58:10,760
Speaker 10: all about that. What was accomplished?

1322
00:58:11,720 --> 00:58:13,480
Speaker 3: Just tell me it was? It was a it had

1323
00:58:13,680 --> 00:58:15,120
Speaker 3: It was a yes fest, wasn't it?

1324
00:58:15,240 --> 00:58:15,480
Speaker 5: It was.

1325
00:58:17,840 --> 00:58:21,760
Speaker 8: Set times, It got contentious and combative actually at times.

1326
00:58:22,200 --> 00:58:26,560
Speaker 10: But uh, you should have taken a fucking flamethrow with

1327
00:58:26,640 --> 00:58:29,280
Speaker 10: to that place. What do you mean contentious? All right,

1328
00:58:29,360 --> 00:58:29,880
Speaker 10: now I'm dying.

1329
00:58:30,200 --> 00:58:30,680
Speaker 3: Give me a bus.

1330
00:58:30,800 --> 00:58:32,560
Speaker 8: All right, guys, we'll talk. I'll call you Monday.

1331
00:58:32,840 --> 00:58:33,760
Speaker 3: Have a great Sunday.

1332
00:58:33,840 --> 00:58:41,760
Speaker 8: Guys, Ray long with us for the Ray Long minutes here. Yeah,

1333
00:58:41,840 --> 00:58:45,840
Speaker 8: it was. It was largely fruitful, I would say overall.

1334
00:58:46,040 --> 00:58:47,960
Speaker 8: And just to give you one quick thing, before we

1335
00:58:48,040 --> 00:58:50,520
Speaker 8: get to to Brian Petrick here. So in terms of

1336
00:58:50,600 --> 00:58:53,520
Speaker 8: like fouls, one thing that I was able to extract is,

1337
00:58:53,880 --> 00:58:56,320
Speaker 8: you know, sometimes when they're warning for fowls, you know,

1338
00:58:56,400 --> 00:58:59,120
Speaker 8: the word that Jason Herzog used was guidance. You know,

1339
00:58:59,280 --> 00:59:03,520
Speaker 8: so some times when a commentator sees a fence grab,

1340
00:59:03,600 --> 00:59:05,080
Speaker 8: I'm like, oh my god, he did it again. And

1341
00:59:05,160 --> 00:59:07,120
Speaker 8: you know, it might not have a huge impact necessarily

1342
00:59:07,200 --> 00:59:09,880
Speaker 8: on the fight, So you might see Herzog more of

1343
00:59:10,360 --> 00:59:14,280
Speaker 8: in a guiding way than an imperative way, like, hey man,

1344
00:59:14,320 --> 00:59:15,640
Speaker 8: I'm going to take a point, you know. So there

1345
00:59:15,680 --> 00:59:17,840
Speaker 8: were little things that I think will help me overall

1346
00:59:17,920 --> 00:59:20,720
Speaker 8: with my commentary, you know, leaning away from stats a

1347
00:59:20,800 --> 00:59:23,320
Speaker 8: little bit. You know, we also learned a little bit

1348
00:59:23,320 --> 00:59:26,440
Speaker 8: about how they score fights, and you know, I was

1349
00:59:26,440 --> 00:59:28,360
Speaker 8: sort of thinking, you know, you have one human being

1350
00:59:28,360 --> 00:59:30,160
Speaker 8: as signed to the blue corner and one person a

1351
00:59:30,240 --> 00:59:31,480
Speaker 8: signed to the red carn. I think it must be

1352
00:59:31,560 --> 00:59:34,200
Speaker 8: nice to just have to see, you know, focus on

1353
00:59:34,360 --> 00:59:37,000
Speaker 8: one athlete seed how much they land or don't, and

1354
00:59:37,160 --> 00:59:39,520
Speaker 8: just count those strikes, you know, because it really is

1355
00:59:39,600 --> 00:59:42,400
Speaker 8: hard calling simultaneous strikes in real time on both guys.

1356
00:59:42,480 --> 00:59:43,800
Speaker 8: Of course, you know, listen.

1357
00:59:44,000 --> 00:59:49,600
Speaker 6: It's this americanized ESPN inspired thing right where you know,

1358
00:59:50,840 --> 00:59:52,920
Speaker 6: the media believes it's like we need to give them

1359
00:59:53,040 --> 00:59:55,800
Speaker 6: stats so they can understand the sport. And it's like,

1360
00:59:56,200 --> 00:59:59,560
Speaker 6: you know, for basketball, maybe that's the case, maybe that helps,

1361
00:59:59,600 --> 01:00:02,560
Speaker 6: and football even or whatever, how many yards they ran

1362
01:00:02,760 --> 01:00:04,320
Speaker 6: or whatever, it makes sense.

1363
01:00:04,360 --> 01:00:09,280
Speaker 8: But for MMA it's yeah, largely not very effective. And

1364
01:00:09,400 --> 01:00:11,880
Speaker 8: the UFC has invested a lot of money in it,

1365
01:00:12,320 --> 01:00:15,120
Speaker 8: and rightfully so, I think in a lot of respects.

1366
01:00:15,160 --> 01:00:17,080
Speaker 8: I think a lot of what they're doing, and some

1367
01:00:17,280 --> 01:00:20,480
Speaker 8: of the advanced stuff that they're working on that is

1368
01:00:20,520 --> 01:00:22,240
Speaker 8: going to be revealed in the future I think could

1369
01:00:22,320 --> 01:00:25,040
Speaker 8: be really beneficial. But generally speaking, if you are a

1370
01:00:25,080 --> 01:00:28,160
Speaker 8: mixed martial arts fan listening to this show and scoring

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01:00:28,240 --> 01:00:30,520
Speaker 8: fights on your own, don't get caught up in the

1372
01:00:30,560 --> 01:00:35,000
Speaker 8: stats because largely they don't matter, all right, UFC two

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01:00:35,040 --> 01:00:39,440
Speaker 8: seventy six beckins, Let us get to the main event challenge.

1374
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Speaker 1: It's the main event challenge.

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01:00:43,360 --> 01:00:45,520
Speaker 8: Time is most definitely.

1376
01:00:49,320 --> 01:00:52,600
Speaker 5: How do you everything possible to win the main event Challenge?

1377
01:00:53,280 --> 01:00:56,520
Speaker 5: To John Hannick and Kenny Florian podcast.

1378
01:00:57,280 --> 01:01:00,200
Speaker 4: Boys, Oh what ah?

1379
01:01:00,920 --> 01:01:02,240
Speaker 3: There he is? There he is.

1380
01:01:03,760 --> 01:01:07,000
Speaker 8: Brian Petrie on social media is at Brian Petrie, Mma,

1381
01:01:07,480 --> 01:01:10,560
Speaker 8: what's up, my man? Good Sunday to you, Hey, good Sunday.

1382
01:01:10,600 --> 01:01:13,600
Speaker 4: Action man one last night, That's what I'm talking about.

1383
01:01:13,680 --> 01:01:18,200
Speaker 8: How he was robbed and it was a clear, a

1384
01:01:18,480 --> 01:01:22,240
Speaker 8: clear win for Gambron. I mean it was no controversy whatsoever.

1385
01:01:22,400 --> 01:01:23,840
Speaker 8: That was just no.

1386
01:01:24,200 --> 01:01:27,920
Speaker 12: I'm very happy that. Yeah, I won that one and

1387
01:01:28,360 --> 01:01:30,920
Speaker 12: keep my hair. A lot of people very excited to

1388
01:01:30,920 --> 01:01:33,840
Speaker 12: see Kenny do a shoey. I was very surprised the

1389
01:01:33,920 --> 01:01:36,640
Speaker 12: overwhelming amount of people going, yeah, I can flow. You know,

1390
01:01:36,720 --> 01:01:38,439
Speaker 12: I know he was you know, he was radio sil

1391
01:01:38,520 --> 01:01:40,640
Speaker 12: on Twitter, but uh yeah, I mean we're good. I

1392
01:01:40,920 --> 01:01:44,040
Speaker 12: lost my uh my, my my, parley On had a

1393
01:01:44,120 --> 01:01:48,200
Speaker 12: banner night. I had armand winning obviously green colored glasses

1394
01:01:48,320 --> 01:01:49,640
Speaker 12: or not. I hadn't win in that fight. It was

1395
01:01:49,720 --> 01:01:51,320
Speaker 12: very close fight. I mean, I can't complain too much,

1396
01:01:51,360 --> 01:01:52,200
Speaker 12: but I did have money.

1397
01:01:52,720 --> 01:01:55,360
Speaker 8: So uh yeah, we're here, man, with a lot of

1398
01:01:55,400 --> 01:01:58,040
Speaker 8: these close fights and main events. It's just, uh, I

1399
01:01:58,120 --> 01:02:00,920
Speaker 8: feel for people sometimes ripping up tickets, but I don't know,

1400
01:02:01,440 --> 01:02:04,720
Speaker 8: find a baseball game that was a big way handily.

1401
01:02:05,040 --> 01:02:09,440
Speaker 8: I now I can say it now retrospectively, like I

1402
01:02:09,520 --> 01:02:11,360
Speaker 8: thought there was tremendous value on the touch.

1403
01:02:12,480 --> 01:02:15,800
Speaker 12: Yeah, I know that was my pick and then but

1404
01:02:16,000 --> 01:02:17,840
Speaker 12: I did convince myself to go arming, but then I

1405
01:02:17,880 --> 01:02:19,760
Speaker 12: wanted to go opposite Kenny, but I mean I still

1406
01:02:19,800 --> 01:02:20,720
Speaker 12: bet him, so it doesn't matter.

1407
01:02:20,800 --> 01:02:22,000
Speaker 4: But yeah, good good pick there by.

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01:02:22,080 --> 01:02:24,840
Speaker 8: Kenny and Cody will try to get us the updated

1409
01:02:24,880 --> 01:02:27,080
Speaker 8: standings potentially over the course of the next twenty minutes

1410
01:02:27,160 --> 01:02:28,960
Speaker 8: or so, but if not Cody, it's no huge deal.

1411
01:02:29,560 --> 01:02:31,320
Speaker 8: Time permitting. I guess we're going to have like nine

1412
01:02:31,360 --> 01:02:33,480
Speaker 8: predictions today, so I do want to get into them

1413
01:02:34,400 --> 01:02:38,440
Speaker 8: as expeditiously as I could. And it appears as though

1414
01:02:38,760 --> 01:02:40,880
Speaker 8: the Mesha Tate Lauren Murphy fight that was to be

1415
01:02:40,960 --> 01:02:43,000
Speaker 8: on the pay per view is no more. Misha was

1416
01:02:43,040 --> 01:02:45,960
Speaker 8: minus one sixty five, Lauren Murphy was plus one forty.

1417
01:02:46,560 --> 01:02:48,400
Speaker 8: It appears as though Murphy was forced to pull out

1418
01:02:48,440 --> 01:02:50,000
Speaker 8: of that fight. Remains to be seen as to whether

1419
01:02:50,080 --> 01:02:52,320
Speaker 8: or not they get a flyweight replacement for Mesha Tate,

1420
01:02:52,520 --> 01:02:55,080
Speaker 8: but we will begin with a prelimit wel daway Ian

1421
01:02:55,160 --> 01:02:58,280
Speaker 8: Gary minus won fifty five, gifted, Gabe Green plus one

1422
01:02:58,440 --> 01:03:01,520
Speaker 8: thirty five the future and Gary looking to stay undefeated.

1423
01:03:01,600 --> 01:03:04,680
Speaker 8: Green has definitely turned the corner, especially after that PRK

1424
01:03:04,840 --> 01:03:07,960
Speaker 8: vision procedure. Love the matchmaking here, Brian Petrie. You going

1425
01:03:08,000 --> 01:03:09,960
Speaker 8: Ian Gary or gifted Gabe Green?

1426
01:03:10,880 --> 01:03:13,120
Speaker 12: He needs to change his name to the Daisy because

1427
01:03:13,160 --> 01:03:15,320
Speaker 12: Con McGregor nicknamed him, call him a daisy, got a

1428
01:03:15,400 --> 01:03:17,560
Speaker 12: daisy tattoo, Ian Garry, that is I like that?

1429
01:03:17,680 --> 01:03:19,120
Speaker 4: Listen, yeah, I like it too.

1430
01:03:19,160 --> 01:03:21,440
Speaker 8: I think we have another future on this card in

1431
01:03:21,560 --> 01:03:22,480
Speaker 8: Macy Barber, do we know?

1432
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean that's that's generic. Let's go the Daisy here.

1433
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Speaker 12: But Ian Gary' is the type of guy where you

1434
01:03:26,680 --> 01:03:30,280
Speaker 12: love him, we hate him, confident, kid, unproven whatever. I'm

1435
01:03:30,320 --> 01:03:32,880
Speaker 12: on the side that loves him here. I love this price.

1436
01:03:32,920 --> 01:03:34,520
Speaker 12: I thought we were to get a little bit higher here.

1437
01:03:34,560 --> 01:03:36,760
Speaker 12: Gabe Green has looked good. He's fought guys in the

1438
01:03:36,840 --> 01:03:39,160
Speaker 12: UFC with similar body types in Phil Row and everything.

1439
01:03:39,200 --> 01:03:42,640
Speaker 12: But Ian Gary I think's different, faster, more powerful, polished

1440
01:03:43,200 --> 01:03:46,560
Speaker 12: and you know, uh Gay Green is too out of

1441
01:03:46,600 --> 01:03:49,080
Speaker 12: his loss as two of them come first round knockouts.

1442
01:03:49,360 --> 01:03:51,000
Speaker 4: So I think Ian Gary's gonna jump on him early.

1443
01:03:51,040 --> 01:03:52,440
Speaker 12: He's a very patient fighter, but I think if you

1444
01:03:52,440 --> 01:03:54,280
Speaker 12: can clip him early, get him out of there early,

1445
01:03:54,400 --> 01:03:56,480
Speaker 12: that's what I like. I like Ian Gary by ko

1446
01:03:57,120 --> 01:03:58,120
Speaker 12: and I'm playing it baby.

1447
01:03:58,200 --> 01:04:00,960
Speaker 8: Let's go good, Kathy p keV flow. What do you

1448
01:04:01,000 --> 01:04:03,840
Speaker 8: think Ian Gary favored here minus one fifty five against

1449
01:04:03,840 --> 01:04:04,760
Speaker 8: Gabe Cuick not a.

1450
01:04:04,760 --> 01:04:07,320
Speaker 6: Whole lot to say. A VP pretty much broke it

1451
01:04:07,400 --> 01:04:09,560
Speaker 6: down great Ian Gary as well?

1452
01:04:10,520 --> 01:04:10,800
Speaker 3: All right?

1453
01:04:10,920 --> 01:04:15,520
Speaker 8: Huge fight at lightweight. Jalen Turner is cannon ball coming

1454
01:04:15,680 --> 01:04:18,480
Speaker 8: pursuing a ranking here. He's the minus one twenty favorite

1455
01:04:18,680 --> 01:04:21,240
Speaker 8: against Brad Redell, who comes back to even money underdog

1456
01:04:21,280 --> 01:04:23,360
Speaker 8: so Radell trying to rally from what was his first

1457
01:04:23,480 --> 01:04:26,680
Speaker 8: UFC lost to his good friend Rafael Phazeb. Turner on

1458
01:04:26,720 --> 01:04:28,680
Speaker 8: the other side, is one four in a row, all

1459
01:04:28,840 --> 01:04:31,800
Speaker 8: by finish, and this is one of several Pickham type

1460
01:04:31,840 --> 01:04:33,840
Speaker 8: fights at UFC two seventy six, Bry, I know you

1461
01:04:33,920 --> 01:04:36,280
Speaker 8: love these type of fights. Which way you go in

1462
01:04:36,400 --> 01:04:40,040
Speaker 8: Jalen Turner the slight favorite or Brad Riddell the dog man.

1463
01:04:40,120 --> 01:04:42,080
Speaker 4: I want to take the dog shot so bad here.

1464
01:04:42,160 --> 01:04:45,160
Speaker 12: But the problem is is I promised myself I won't

1465
01:04:45,240 --> 01:04:48,360
Speaker 12: fade Jalen Turner out of his six UFC fights, I

1466
01:04:48,400 --> 01:04:49,400
Speaker 12: faded him four times.

1467
01:04:49,640 --> 01:04:51,280
Speaker 4: Oh lose the money on this guy.

1468
01:04:51,160 --> 01:04:54,200
Speaker 12: And He's looked fucking great, and I just it's time

1469
01:04:54,320 --> 01:04:56,480
Speaker 12: to get on the Jalen Turner side. Now. We'll say

1470
01:04:56,560 --> 01:04:59,920
Speaker 12: this though, Brad Riddell has been in camp with Vulkana

1471
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:02,720
Speaker 12: Fusky and Izzy. We saw Corlas Oberg last night. These

1472
01:05:02,760 --> 01:05:04,720
Speaker 12: guys are looking sharp. I think Riddell coming off a

1473
01:05:05,120 --> 01:05:07,200
Speaker 12: loss over Rafael Disease, which I'm sure he's a little

1474
01:05:07,200 --> 01:05:09,440
Speaker 12: embarrassed bot because they were training partners, and I think

1475
01:05:09,640 --> 01:05:11,960
Speaker 12: Dell trained him. There was some history there, so he's

1476
01:05:11,960 --> 01:05:14,400
Speaker 12: gonna come in the best that he's ever had before.

1477
01:05:14,800 --> 01:05:16,640
Speaker 12: But you know, I just think he's a little undersized

1478
01:05:16,640 --> 01:05:19,240
Speaker 12: compared to Jaalen Turner. Jaalen Turner is enormous. I think

1479
01:05:19,320 --> 01:05:20,920
Speaker 12: Jalen Turner's got have the advantage on the ground if

1480
01:05:20,920 --> 01:05:23,240
Speaker 12: it ever gets there. But I'm going Turner by decision.

1481
01:05:23,240 --> 01:05:25,120
Speaker 12: I think he can outpoint him with his distance and everything.

1482
01:05:25,200 --> 01:05:29,480
Speaker 12: So give me Jaalen Turner ken flow. Jalen Turner Brad

1483
01:05:29,560 --> 01:05:31,800
Speaker 12: Riddell very close on the number. Which way you're going,

1484
01:05:32,640 --> 01:05:34,680
Speaker 12: This is gonna be a great fight either way, Listen.

1485
01:05:34,760 --> 01:05:36,400
Speaker 12: I think Riddell definitely has.

1486
01:05:36,280 --> 01:05:39,680
Speaker 6: The ability to win this fight just based on his

1487
01:05:39,800 --> 01:05:43,320
Speaker 6: forward pressure, his offensive abilities, his speed, his power, all

1488
01:05:43,440 --> 01:05:46,120
Speaker 6: that good stuff. But for me, I haven't seen him

1489
01:05:46,240 --> 01:05:49,320
Speaker 6: change to the point where I'm like, he hits and

1490
01:05:49,440 --> 01:05:52,680
Speaker 6: doesn't get hit. You know, he stays right in front

1491
01:05:52,680 --> 01:05:54,440
Speaker 6: of you, and that's why he does take a lot

1492
01:05:54,480 --> 01:05:56,560
Speaker 6: of damage. Even in the fights that he wins, it's

1493
01:05:56,600 --> 01:06:00,640
Speaker 6: always like whoo, Like, man, he got hit with some shots.

1494
01:06:01,280 --> 01:06:05,440
Speaker 6: Jalen Turner has a reach advantage and a speed and

1495
01:06:05,560 --> 01:06:09,080
Speaker 6: a timing and a confidence right now that I think

1496
01:06:09,320 --> 01:06:11,720
Speaker 6: just makes them too dangerous. I can't bet against the

1497
01:06:11,800 --> 01:06:14,160
Speaker 6: kids same way. I haven't always been on the Jalen

1498
01:06:14,200 --> 01:06:14,760
Speaker 6: Turner train.

1499
01:06:15,440 --> 01:06:16,000
Speaker 8: I am now.

1500
01:06:16,400 --> 01:06:18,200
Speaker 6: I think he's someone to watch. I think he has

1501
01:06:18,240 --> 01:06:21,080
Speaker 6: a ton of potential and really is coming into his own.

1502
01:06:21,160 --> 01:06:23,240
Speaker 6: This is a bad time to be fighting Jalen Turner.

1503
01:06:24,480 --> 01:06:25,360
Speaker 6: I like Jalen Turner.

1504
01:06:25,400 --> 01:06:29,400
Speaker 8: Here. Yeah, man, some tough matchkin for Brad Ridell. Right,

1505
01:06:29,520 --> 01:06:32,480
Speaker 8: hysin Jalen Turner back to back, all right? Next up

1506
01:06:32,520 --> 01:06:35,200
Speaker 8: in well to weight the former undisputed UFC champion Robbie

1507
01:06:35,240 --> 01:06:38,480
Speaker 8: Lawler slightly favored here minus one twenty five against the

1508
01:06:38,600 --> 01:06:42,160
Speaker 8: farmer Brian Bam Bam Barberina Barberina plus one zho five

1509
01:06:42,440 --> 01:06:44,320
Speaker 8: ken Fall. We'll start with you on this one. Barbarina

1510
01:06:44,400 --> 01:06:46,800
Speaker 8: asks for this fight after the win over Matt Brown,

1511
01:06:47,120 --> 01:06:49,840
Speaker 8: got a new contract, got the fight. On the other side,

1512
01:06:49,880 --> 01:06:52,760
Speaker 8: you have Robbie Lawler after finishing Nick Diez up at middleweight,

1513
01:06:52,840 --> 01:06:55,160
Speaker 8: back down to the friendly confines at one hundred and

1514
01:06:55,200 --> 01:06:57,280
Speaker 8: seventy one pounds you go and Lawler the favorite or

1515
01:06:57,360 --> 01:06:58,240
Speaker 8: barberinat the dog.

1516
01:06:59,000 --> 01:07:02,920
Speaker 6: I mean Sean Shelby if he made this fight. This

1517
01:07:03,040 --> 01:07:04,760
Speaker 6: guy knows that he's doing good job.

1518
01:07:04,920 --> 01:07:05,320
Speaker 8: Shelby.

1519
01:07:06,360 --> 01:07:09,680
Speaker 6: Robbie Lawler and Brian Barbarina, and these guys are just

1520
01:07:09,920 --> 01:07:10,960
Speaker 6: made to fight each other.

1521
01:07:11,040 --> 01:07:14,720
Speaker 8: I fight. I don't think I've ever seen Barbarina in

1522
01:07:14,840 --> 01:07:15,480
Speaker 8: a bad fight.

1523
01:07:16,200 --> 01:07:19,080
Speaker 6: Robbie Lawler, ninety of his fights and there have been

1524
01:07:19,680 --> 01:07:22,000
Speaker 6: so many at a high level, have been exciting.

1525
01:07:23,480 --> 01:07:26,480
Speaker 8: So this is gonna be This is gonna be bananas

1526
01:07:26,560 --> 01:07:29,320
Speaker 8: while it lasts. If it goes the distance, it'll be

1527
01:07:29,360 --> 01:07:29,880
Speaker 8: a classic.

1528
01:07:30,480 --> 01:07:35,320
Speaker 6: But I think Robbie Lawler's high, high level fight experience

1529
01:07:35,480 --> 01:07:39,040
Speaker 6: is the difference here. Barbarina, of course does get hit.

1530
01:07:39,320 --> 01:07:41,960
Speaker 6: Robbie Lawler has been a little bit more conservative and

1531
01:07:42,000 --> 01:07:46,640
Speaker 6: as an approach, still exciting, still aggressive, but more defensively

1532
01:07:46,760 --> 01:07:49,480
Speaker 6: sound that we've seen him, and he's gonna have to

1533
01:07:49,560 --> 01:07:52,720
Speaker 6: be that against Barbarina here. And I think his wrestling

1534
01:07:52,800 --> 01:07:55,120
Speaker 6: is good enough against Barbarina where he could stop some

1535
01:07:55,240 --> 01:07:57,720
Speaker 6: takedowns and stuff like. That's where we see Robbie really

1536
01:07:57,760 --> 01:07:59,720
Speaker 6: get slowed down, is when he's on his back fighting

1537
01:07:59,720 --> 01:08:00,720
Speaker 6: to get back to his feet.

1538
01:08:01,920 --> 01:08:03,720
Speaker 8: But I think this is going to be a wild fight.

1539
01:08:04,720 --> 01:08:05,520
Speaker 8: I like this one.

1540
01:08:05,840 --> 01:08:09,480
Speaker 6: Robbie Lawler the legend for the win, but Barbarina should

1541
01:08:09,520 --> 01:08:12,480
Speaker 6: have every single fan out there the dude.

1542
01:08:12,320 --> 01:08:15,640
Speaker 8: Is oh yeah, Brian. Robbi Lawler appears to be in

1543
01:08:15,680 --> 01:08:17,599
Speaker 8: a really good place at this stage of his career.

1544
01:08:17,760 --> 01:08:21,880
Speaker 8: Certainly makes a lot of money just to show right,

1545
01:08:21,960 --> 01:08:24,839
Speaker 8: but he's enjoying being at Sanford MMA, being in Florida,

1546
01:08:25,160 --> 01:08:28,080
Speaker 8: being a teammate, He's enjoying giving back to the sport.

1547
01:08:28,360 --> 01:08:30,519
Speaker 8: I just think mentally physically, he's still in a very

1548
01:08:30,560 --> 01:08:32,320
Speaker 8: good place, despite the fact that he's got to be

1549
01:08:32,360 --> 01:08:34,880
Speaker 8: coming up on forty. Your thoughts here on Lawler against

1550
01:08:34,920 --> 01:08:35,679
Speaker 8: Brian Barberina.

1551
01:08:36,560 --> 01:08:37,160
Speaker 4: I mean, how.

1552
01:08:37,160 --> 01:08:39,479
Speaker 12: Stacked is this car that we're putting Bob Lawler in

1553
01:08:39,520 --> 01:08:42,920
Speaker 12: the pre limbs? I mean that is nuts. I love

1554
01:08:43,240 --> 01:08:45,519
Speaker 12: the call out by Brian Barberina and that he got

1555
01:08:45,640 --> 01:08:47,599
Speaker 12: the fight. You know, I thought he lost the fight

1556
01:08:47,680 --> 01:08:51,000
Speaker 12: to Matt Brown. My Ohio crowd booed Brian Barberina, which

1557
01:08:51,160 --> 01:08:53,439
Speaker 12: you know, he seems like a good guy. Didn't deserve

1558
01:08:53,520 --> 01:08:54,000
Speaker 12: the booze.

1559
01:08:54,240 --> 01:08:54,920
Speaker 4: It was a close fight.

1560
01:08:55,000 --> 01:08:57,120
Speaker 12: But the problem Barberina is he gets in these sloppy

1561
01:08:57,160 --> 01:08:59,200
Speaker 12: fights and he always slows down towards the end.

1562
01:08:59,439 --> 01:09:01,280
Speaker 4: He did that the Matt Brown fight, you know, and

1563
01:09:01,560 --> 01:09:04,120
Speaker 4: he wills himself victory. So tough Robbie Lawler.

1564
01:09:04,120 --> 01:09:05,519
Speaker 12: I don't think a lot of people are giving him

1565
01:09:05,560 --> 01:09:07,760
Speaker 12: enough respective And the Nick is the Nick Dias fight.

1566
01:09:08,120 --> 01:09:10,800
Speaker 12: The theme was Knick's back. Oh Nick's now fighting eighty five.

1567
01:09:10,920 --> 01:09:13,960
Speaker 12: Nick doesn't look in great shape. But Robbie went out

1568
01:09:13,960 --> 01:09:16,080
Speaker 12: there and rolled with the punches. All we're doing eighty

1569
01:09:16,080 --> 01:09:17,720
Speaker 12: five Olk, and a big deal we're gonna do, you know.

1570
01:09:18,240 --> 01:09:21,080
Speaker 12: And Nick threw what like two thousand fucking punches out

1571
01:09:21,080 --> 01:09:23,360
Speaker 12: of him, and Robbie stood in there and took him out,

1572
01:09:23,439 --> 01:09:25,880
Speaker 12: you know. And uh, Robbie, I think is now forty

1573
01:09:26,240 --> 01:09:28,760
Speaker 12: according to topology. So but I see him being in

1574
01:09:28,880 --> 01:09:31,800
Speaker 12: phenomenal shape, and I see him coming out here and

1575
01:09:32,120 --> 01:09:33,479
Speaker 12: you know, he's a little bit of a slow starter

1576
01:09:33,560 --> 01:09:35,000
Speaker 12: at times. I think the first round is gonna be

1577
01:09:35,000 --> 01:09:37,680
Speaker 12: a nice little feeling out. That's Brian Barberina's most dangerous round.

1578
01:09:37,760 --> 01:09:41,759
Speaker 12: But Bob Lawler by violence here giving me a finish.

1579
01:09:41,880 --> 01:09:43,120
Speaker 12: Bob Lawler, I'm gonna play it.

1580
01:09:43,600 --> 01:09:43,720
Speaker 5: Uh.

1581
01:09:43,840 --> 01:09:45,880
Speaker 4: I like this fight, all right?

1582
01:09:45,960 --> 01:09:47,439
Speaker 8: Let us get to pay per view. We have four

1583
01:09:47,520 --> 01:09:49,840
Speaker 8: selections and then some quick picks on the way out.

1584
01:09:49,880 --> 01:09:52,960
Speaker 8: I mean Andre Moonz and fucking you Riah Hall, Jim Miller,

1585
01:09:53,040 --> 01:09:56,080
Speaker 8: Donald Serni. So many big fights at two seventy six,

1586
01:09:56,160 --> 01:09:58,679
Speaker 8: but we will now get to Sean O'Malley, The Sugar

1587
01:09:58,760 --> 01:10:02,400
Speaker 8: Show Modus two sixty take it on. Pedro Muno's the

1588
01:10:02,439 --> 01:10:06,280
Speaker 8: abandamweight Staple comes back at plus two twenty. We'll lead

1589
01:10:06,360 --> 01:10:07,880
Speaker 8: with you, Brian on this. I kind of feel like

1590
01:10:07,960 --> 01:10:10,800
Speaker 8: it's a bad time to be fighting Pedro Muno's right.

1591
01:10:11,640 --> 01:10:13,720
Speaker 8: I don't know if he's fighting for his job, but

1592
01:10:14,040 --> 01:10:16,280
Speaker 8: there's a lot of pressure on both sides of this fight.

1593
01:10:16,360 --> 01:10:18,840
Speaker 8: But but for Pedro Muno's back to back losses to

1594
01:10:18,920 --> 01:10:21,479
Speaker 8: Jose Aldo and Domina Cruz, he needs this one in

1595
01:10:21,520 --> 01:10:22,920
Speaker 8: the worst way. I'm not sure if he gets it

1596
01:10:23,000 --> 01:10:25,919
Speaker 8: your thoughts on the young punisher here against the streaking

1597
01:10:26,160 --> 01:10:27,240
Speaker 8: Sugar shan O Melty.

1598
01:10:27,960 --> 01:10:29,800
Speaker 12: Yes, I make no secrets about it. If you listen

1599
01:10:29,840 --> 01:10:31,320
Speaker 12: to my podcast, I'm a biased guy.

1600
01:10:31,400 --> 01:10:31,880
Speaker 4: I mean listen.

1601
01:10:31,960 --> 01:10:34,120
Speaker 12: I'll never pick against Chris, even if he goes against

1602
01:10:34,160 --> 01:10:35,560
Speaker 12: you know, the fucking Godzilla.

1603
01:10:35,640 --> 01:10:37,400
Speaker 4: Right, I'm biased. I'm a Sugar guy.

1604
01:10:37,520 --> 01:10:40,000
Speaker 12: I like sugar shan A Moley, but I am so

1605
01:10:40,240 --> 01:10:43,559
Speaker 12: torn because the valueboy in me is saying Pedro Muons

1606
01:10:43,600 --> 01:10:47,200
Speaker 12: at two to one is fucking gorgeous. He has fought

1607
01:10:47,280 --> 01:10:48,960
Speaker 12: the Who's Who. He looked good, he looked good in

1608
01:10:49,000 --> 01:10:51,439
Speaker 12: the Dom fight. He clipped on early on and then

1609
01:10:51,560 --> 01:10:53,560
Speaker 12: kind of fight got away from him, you know. And

1610
01:10:53,760 --> 01:10:56,240
Speaker 12: the problem with Pedro is sometimes he fights with you know,

1611
01:10:56,479 --> 01:10:58,880
Speaker 12: just why train with the Brazilian boxing team.

1612
01:10:58,920 --> 01:11:01,120
Speaker 4: Someone's gonna box these lights out on the ground. He's

1613
01:11:01,160 --> 01:11:02,400
Speaker 4: really go on the ground. And that's the thing with

1614
01:11:02,479 --> 01:11:03,120
Speaker 4: Sugar shows.

1615
01:11:03,160 --> 01:11:03,640
Speaker 8: We don't know.

1616
01:11:03,920 --> 01:11:06,760
Speaker 12: Like he did the invitation, he beat Gomy, that was cool,

1617
01:11:07,000 --> 01:11:09,080
Speaker 12: but we just don't really know about his ground game.

1618
01:11:09,360 --> 01:11:11,479
Speaker 12: So as a Sugar fan, I got to answer these

1619
01:11:11,560 --> 01:11:13,720
Speaker 12: questions like am I afraid of the Lake Kicks? Yeah,

1620
01:11:13,720 --> 01:11:15,439
Speaker 12: I'm afraid of the calf Kicks because we don't know.

1621
01:11:15,720 --> 01:11:17,519
Speaker 12: Am I afraid Ofable in the ground, Yes, I'm afraid

1622
01:11:17,520 --> 01:11:19,519
Speaker 12: of Able. I'm answered all these questions because I'm a

1623
01:11:19,520 --> 01:11:22,400
Speaker 12: Sugar guy, because ultimately I think he's gonna be a

1624
01:11:22,479 --> 01:11:24,599
Speaker 12: huge star. I think he's supremely talented on the feet.

1625
01:11:24,640 --> 01:11:26,960
Speaker 12: I mean his what he did Pava last fight. After

1626
01:11:27,040 --> 01:11:29,120
Speaker 12: we saw what Paiva did last night, that I mean

1627
01:11:29,120 --> 01:11:30,880
Speaker 12: that was that was you know, a decapitation.

1628
01:11:31,000 --> 01:11:31,599
Speaker 8: That was great.

1629
01:11:31,960 --> 01:11:34,280
Speaker 4: But Sugar is good for MMA because he could be

1630
01:11:34,400 --> 01:11:36,160
Speaker 4: a big star in MMA, and that's what I root for.

1631
01:11:36,200 --> 01:11:37,240
Speaker 4: I root for the sport of m A.

1632
01:11:37,320 --> 01:11:39,840
Speaker 12: I root for the guys like Connor McGregor, these huge stars,

1633
01:11:39,840 --> 01:11:41,519
Speaker 12: and I think that's what Sugar Sean Maley can be.

1634
01:11:42,160 --> 01:11:44,080
Speaker 12: And You're right, this is a tough time you fight

1635
01:11:44,200 --> 01:11:45,920
Speaker 12: Munos because I think he's an elite guy and he

1636
01:11:46,080 --> 01:11:48,760
Speaker 12: just he's fought the who's who. His resume is better.

1637
01:11:48,840 --> 01:11:52,760
Speaker 12: But again, I'm a bias guy. I don't think I

1638
01:11:52,800 --> 01:11:54,679
Speaker 12: can play this straight up money line at Sugar. Shan

1639
01:11:54,720 --> 01:11:56,160
Speaker 12: of mine is two sixty. I think it's little beefy.

1640
01:11:56,479 --> 01:11:59,320
Speaker 12: So I'm gonna go extra and go extra value and

1641
01:11:59,360 --> 01:12:01,679
Speaker 12: go Sugar by Ko because no one's ever Ko Paigo

1642
01:12:02,160 --> 01:12:04,040
Speaker 12: and Sugar can do it. I mean, if if he

1643
01:12:04,120 --> 01:12:05,920
Speaker 12: lands the right shot, so give me Sugar by Ko.

1644
01:12:07,000 --> 01:12:09,360
Speaker 8: Yeah, I'm on the Sugar Shan O'Malley train as well

1645
01:12:09,479 --> 01:12:11,960
Speaker 8: in terms of his ceiling in his future for Pedro,

1646
01:12:12,080 --> 01:12:15,000
Speaker 8: Munos can flow. Former two time no Gi jiu Jitsu

1647
01:12:15,080 --> 01:12:19,240
Speaker 8: world champion over eight hundred jiu jitsu matches, not necessarily

1648
01:12:19,360 --> 01:12:22,760
Speaker 8: a proficient takedown artist in MMA per se, But how

1649
01:12:22,800 --> 01:12:24,360
Speaker 8: do you handicap this fight and how do you think

1650
01:12:24,400 --> 01:12:28,559
Speaker 8: Pedro Munyos might approach it? Stylistically? Munos is tough.

1651
01:12:29,720 --> 01:12:33,760
Speaker 6: He's clearly gonna have to pressure forward, you know, try

1652
01:12:33,920 --> 01:12:39,400
Speaker 6: try to slow O'Malley down because O'Malley's footwork is just

1653
01:12:40,080 --> 01:12:43,240
Speaker 6: light years ahead of Munos's. And and to be honest,

1654
01:12:44,439 --> 01:12:47,160
Speaker 6: I don't like this matchup for Munos. I do like

1655
01:12:47,280 --> 01:12:50,040
Speaker 6: this matchup a lot for O'Malley. And I say I

1656
01:12:50,160 --> 01:12:53,479
Speaker 6: probably say this every single fight, almost every single fight,

1657
01:12:53,800 --> 01:12:56,679
Speaker 6: But the people that are picking the fights for Sean O'Malley,

1658
01:12:57,479 --> 01:12:59,360
Speaker 6: kudos to you guys. You guys know what the hell

1659
01:12:59,400 --> 01:13:03,320
Speaker 6: you're doing. And Munios is a dangerous fighter, Okay, he

1660
01:13:03,520 --> 01:13:06,600
Speaker 6: he can win this fight. But if you are a

1661
01:13:06,680 --> 01:13:09,120
Speaker 6: guy with little to no footwork and you come in,

1662
01:13:09,200 --> 01:13:11,800
Speaker 6: you're flat footed, and you plod forward against someone like

1663
01:13:11,840 --> 01:13:14,920
Speaker 6: Sean O'Malley, I'm sorry, but you're gonna get beat up,

1664
01:13:14,960 --> 01:13:17,679
Speaker 6: and you're gonna get beat up bad. You're not gonna

1665
01:13:17,680 --> 01:13:20,000
Speaker 6: be able to get on the inside. O'Malley's jab is

1666
01:13:20,040 --> 01:13:22,679
Speaker 6: gonna be firing. He's gonna be smashing me with kicks.

1667
01:13:23,840 --> 01:13:26,880
Speaker 6: And it's his footwork's too good. He's too good at

1668
01:13:26,920 --> 01:13:28,360
Speaker 6: being in and out, and then he's got to reach

1669
01:13:28,400 --> 01:13:30,040
Speaker 6: advantage that is significant here.

1670
01:13:31,520 --> 01:13:32,599
Speaker 8: I don't know, I don't.

1671
01:13:32,640 --> 01:13:34,320
Speaker 6: I don't like this fight for Munos. I think it's

1672
01:13:34,360 --> 01:13:35,760
Speaker 6: a tough fight for him. I have a lot of

1673
01:13:35,840 --> 01:13:37,360
Speaker 6: respect for him based on what he's done both in

1674
01:13:37,479 --> 01:13:39,360
Speaker 6: jiu jitsu and mixed martial arts. He's as tough as

1675
01:13:39,360 --> 01:13:43,640
Speaker 6: they come. But O'Malley here is is gonna win, and

1676
01:13:43,760 --> 01:13:46,240
Speaker 6: and he very much. And I agree with I agree

1677
01:13:46,280 --> 01:13:48,240
Speaker 6: with uh with Petri here. I think it could be

1678
01:13:48,320 --> 01:13:48,879
Speaker 6: by knockout.

1679
01:13:49,720 --> 01:13:54,000
Speaker 4: Hey, I want to run through a brick water here

1680
01:13:54,040 --> 01:13:54,240
Speaker 4: in that.

1681
01:13:54,360 --> 01:13:54,840
Speaker 8: Let's know.

1682
01:13:57,400 --> 01:13:57,599
Speaker 7: The way.

1683
01:13:58,840 --> 01:14:02,160
Speaker 8: Betting odds provided by Draft Kings Sportsbook the official sports

1684
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1685
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1686
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Speaker 8: last week, it would have been in the black plus

1687
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1688
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Speaker 8: hundred dollars last week, you would have been in the

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Speaker 8: whole minus ninety eight dollars. Cody has speared out a

1690
01:14:17,760 --> 01:14:20,240
Speaker 8: pretty good system for the scoring, but pretty close. Last

1691
01:14:20,240 --> 01:14:24,719
Speaker 8: week all Right featured bout it middlewith Alex Pareta minus

1692
01:14:24,760 --> 01:14:27,639
Speaker 8: one fifteen Seawan Strickland minus one oh five. So Strickland

1693
01:14:27,640 --> 01:14:29,720
Speaker 8: the slight underdog here despite the fact that he's going

1694
01:14:29,760 --> 01:14:31,680
Speaker 8: for a seven straight win. On the other side, you

1695
01:14:31,760 --> 01:14:35,400
Speaker 8: have Pata, decorated former kickboxer trainers with Glover to share

1696
01:14:35,479 --> 01:14:37,720
Speaker 8: there in Danbury, Connecticut, but just two and zero on

1697
01:14:37,760 --> 01:14:40,720
Speaker 8: the UFC to date, and uh being thrown to the

1698
01:14:40,760 --> 01:14:43,639
Speaker 8: wolves bride. He's a wolf himself. Your thoughts on Padata

1699
01:14:43,680 --> 01:14:45,599
Speaker 8: here as the slight favorite against Seawan Strickland.

1700
01:14:46,280 --> 01:14:48,679
Speaker 4: You know you begining too much too soon. We begetting

1701
01:14:48,720 --> 01:14:50,280
Speaker 4: that a lot late. This is too much too soon?

1702
01:14:50,400 --> 01:14:52,160
Speaker 12: Is he had a great answer for that? You know

1703
01:14:52,280 --> 01:14:55,439
Speaker 12: he referend Jerry Prahaska getting a title STARTUF to two fights.

1704
01:14:55,439 --> 01:14:57,360
Speaker 12: I mean, this guy is a high level guy. Peyre

1705
01:14:57,360 --> 01:14:59,960
Speaker 12: as a freak, like he really is. I'm a maze

1706
01:15:00,080 --> 01:15:01,560
Speaker 12: every time I watch this guy strike. I mean, the

1707
01:15:01,600 --> 01:15:03,599
Speaker 12: Bruno Sil will fight a lot of people like very

1708
01:15:03,640 --> 01:15:05,600
Speaker 12: close hype, but Bruno Sil is a dangerous guy. And

1709
01:15:05,680 --> 01:15:09,200
Speaker 12: Pereira probably had one of his worst performances in MMA,

1710
01:15:09,240 --> 01:15:11,439
Speaker 12: and he still dropped him like a handful of times

1711
01:15:11,479 --> 01:15:14,920
Speaker 12: and looked good. And he's probably the best kickboxer I

1712
01:15:15,000 --> 01:15:17,560
Speaker 12: mean to ever come over to MMA. I mean credentially.

1713
01:15:17,680 --> 01:15:20,200
Speaker 12: I mean there's other guys, but he's five to one.

1714
01:15:20,240 --> 01:15:23,320
Speaker 12: He's successful. And I'm kind of looking past Strickling here,

1715
01:15:23,360 --> 01:15:25,040
Speaker 12: which is probably a bad thing, because I really want

1716
01:15:25,040 --> 01:15:27,120
Speaker 12: to see the Pereira is He match up. I think

1717
01:15:27,160 --> 01:15:29,080
Speaker 12: that the hype's gonna be, you know, is he's already

1718
01:15:29,080 --> 01:15:30,479
Speaker 12: talking about. I think it's gonna be a real deal

1719
01:15:30,920 --> 01:15:33,960
Speaker 12: Strickland though he's literally insane, Like you know, my buddy

1720
01:15:34,040 --> 01:15:36,160
Speaker 12: Chris Curtis and him are good friends. I hear these

1721
01:15:36,200 --> 01:15:39,080
Speaker 12: stories about about Seohn Strickl I follow on the social media.

1722
01:15:39,439 --> 01:15:41,759
Speaker 12: He is a one of a kind dude, and you think, Okay,

1723
01:15:42,000 --> 01:15:45,000
Speaker 12: he's gonna have the MMA advantage, but he flies out

1724
01:15:45,040 --> 01:15:47,760
Speaker 12: the Florida and trains with K one kickboxers. Like this

1725
01:15:47,880 --> 01:15:50,920
Speaker 12: guy's not wrestling, he's not bringing in wrestlers. Like this

1726
01:15:51,040 --> 01:15:54,479
Speaker 12: guy's wanting to put his pace on him, pressing forward,

1727
01:15:54,560 --> 01:15:56,680
Speaker 12: put his hands in his face, and he I think

1728
01:15:56,720 --> 01:15:57,719
Speaker 12: he wants to make a statement.

1729
01:15:57,720 --> 01:15:59,240
Speaker 4: That's what he wants to do. I think it's a bad,

1730
01:15:59,360 --> 01:15:59,880
Speaker 4: bad idea.

1731
01:16:00,120 --> 01:16:02,800
Speaker 12: Shawn's been knocked out before, he's been dropped before, and

1732
01:16:02,920 --> 01:16:04,920
Speaker 12: Pereira is just different man. So I'm gonna I'm gonna

1733
01:16:04,920 --> 01:16:05,519
Speaker 12: take prayer by.

1734
01:16:05,520 --> 01:16:09,439
Speaker 8: Ko here kem fil What do you think Pereta Strickland. Yeah,

1735
01:16:09,439 --> 01:16:10,320
Speaker 8: I'm gonna keep it short.

1736
01:16:10,720 --> 01:16:10,840
Speaker 3: Uh.

1737
01:16:11,400 --> 01:16:13,720
Speaker 6: I definitely wouldn't sleep on Strickland. I think he's got

1738
01:16:14,040 --> 01:16:17,040
Speaker 6: a decent shot more than people think. However, I agree

1739
01:16:17,080 --> 01:16:20,720
Speaker 6: with BP here, Strickland's probably gonna get emotional, try to

1740
01:16:20,800 --> 01:16:21,439
Speaker 6: prove a point.

1741
01:16:21,640 --> 01:16:24,519
Speaker 8: You don't do that again, someone like Pereira, I like.

1742
01:16:24,640 --> 01:16:27,400
Speaker 8: I like Pereira here as well. All right, co headliner

1743
01:16:27,479 --> 01:16:29,840
Speaker 8: for the UFC Featherweight title. We mentioned the odds earlier.

1744
01:16:29,880 --> 01:16:32,519
Speaker 8: It is the third meeting between Alexander Volkanovsky and Max

1745
01:16:32,560 --> 01:16:36,679
Speaker 8: Holloway Volcan minus one eighty Holloway plus one fifty five

1746
01:16:37,160 --> 01:16:43,759
Speaker 8: for the undisputed UFC Featherweight Championship. Brian Petrie, Volkanovsky Holloway

1747
01:16:44,040 --> 01:16:46,559
Speaker 8: Act three. Your thoughts talk.

1748
01:16:46,439 --> 01:16:48,200
Speaker 4: About an impossible fight to pick.

1749
01:16:48,320 --> 01:16:50,960
Speaker 12: I mean literally, what I've looked at when I capped

1750
01:16:51,000 --> 01:16:53,519
Speaker 12: this fight is what they've done since, and they both

1751
01:16:53,560 --> 01:16:57,920
Speaker 12: have been on fucking fire. Volkanovski's looked amazing, been active, going,

1752
01:16:58,040 --> 01:17:00,120
Speaker 12: keep keep me fighting. I'll fight whoever, and I'm to

1753
01:17:00,160 --> 01:17:01,640
Speaker 12: go out there. I'm gonna finish him. So we did

1754
01:17:01,720 --> 01:17:03,840
Speaker 12: against Korean Zombie said, I know a lot of people say,

1755
01:17:03,960 --> 01:17:05,439
Speaker 12: you know I'm gonna finish fight. I'm gonna gout there

1756
01:17:05,439 --> 01:17:05,880
Speaker 12: and finish me.

1757
01:17:05,880 --> 01:17:06,040
Speaker 3: He did.

1758
01:17:06,080 --> 01:17:08,280
Speaker 12: He look phenomenal, look great in Brian, No take a fight.

1759
01:17:08,560 --> 01:17:12,240
Speaker 12: But Max Holloway's butchering people. He butcher Calvalincator, he butchered. Yeah,

1760
01:17:12,240 --> 01:17:14,439
Speaker 12: he has competitive fight, but he showed yeah, yeah, there's

1761
01:17:14,520 --> 01:17:15,000
Speaker 12: levels to this.

1762
01:17:15,439 --> 01:17:16,800
Speaker 4: So it's like, what are you gonna do? I have

1763
01:17:16,920 --> 01:17:19,439
Speaker 4: the in my score book, even though it doesn't fucking matter,

1764
01:17:19,720 --> 01:17:20,759
Speaker 4: I have one one. Obviously.

1765
01:17:20,760 --> 01:17:22,280
Speaker 12: I think a lot of people can make an argument

1766
01:17:22,320 --> 01:17:25,880
Speaker 12: about this and that, but you know, uh, Volkanowski has

1767
01:17:25,920 --> 01:17:27,599
Speaker 12: the green stripes on his record, so it doesn't matter.

1768
01:17:28,560 --> 01:17:31,880
Speaker 12: Confidence is high in Volkanowski. Confidence is high in Max Holloway.

1769
01:17:31,880 --> 01:17:32,519
Speaker 8: I mean, what do you do?

1770
01:17:33,040 --> 01:17:36,000
Speaker 12: This is such a tough fight to handicap, to pick

1771
01:17:36,080 --> 01:17:39,200
Speaker 12: straight up. This is definitely a prop play Cody setting

1772
01:17:39,240 --> 01:17:40,760
Speaker 12: a chat over four and a half. I know it's

1773
01:17:40,760 --> 01:17:42,720
Speaker 12: a little chalky, but that's a good parlay piece if

1774
01:17:42,720 --> 01:17:44,800
Speaker 12: you want to parlay other things together. Because I don't

1775
01:17:44,800 --> 01:17:47,800
Speaker 12: think these guys are, you know, gonna knock each other

1776
01:17:47,880 --> 01:17:48,720
Speaker 12: out or finish each other.

1777
01:17:48,920 --> 01:17:51,320
Speaker 4: It's gonna be another decision. It's gonna be another close decision.

1778
01:17:51,400 --> 01:17:54,840
Speaker 12: But listen, when you give me plus money I got

1779
01:17:54,920 --> 01:17:57,400
Speaker 12: I mean, I'm I'm I'm a fucking plus money shark.

1780
01:17:57,760 --> 01:17:59,960
Speaker 12: I'm gonna go Max Holloway at the plus money. I mean,

1781
01:18:00,360 --> 01:18:02,439
Speaker 12: no disrespect of Volkanowski is just like you're giving me

1782
01:18:02,479 --> 01:18:04,800
Speaker 12: plus one fifty five. You know this is one A,

1783
01:18:04,960 --> 01:18:07,400
Speaker 12: one B at one forty five. I'm gonna take it, so,

1784
01:18:07,600 --> 01:18:09,559
Speaker 12: uh yeah, give me Holloway. But I wouldn't be surprised

1785
01:18:09,560 --> 01:18:11,960
Speaker 12: by anything in this fight. I'm I'm super fucking excited.

1786
01:18:13,439 --> 01:18:16,559
Speaker 8: Yeah, can flow market improvements on both sides. I guess,

1787
01:18:16,760 --> 01:18:20,120
Speaker 8: to my eyes, maybe Volkanovsky has progressed a little bit

1788
01:18:20,200 --> 01:18:22,400
Speaker 8: more since that second meeting, But I really have no

1789
01:18:22,479 --> 01:18:24,320
Speaker 8: idea how this fight's gonna go. Just thankful to be

1790
01:18:24,360 --> 01:18:25,519
Speaker 8: in the building. How do you see a plan?

1791
01:18:25,600 --> 01:18:25,680
Speaker 7: Now?

1792
01:18:26,479 --> 01:18:28,760
Speaker 8: Yeah, listen, I love the breakdown that Brian had.

1793
01:18:28,760 --> 01:18:31,400
Speaker 6: I agree with a lot of those points and John,

1794
01:18:31,439 --> 01:18:35,880
Speaker 6: I agree that Volkanovsky probably has improved skill wise, but

1795
01:18:36,000 --> 01:18:38,000
Speaker 6: I think that Holloway is the kind of guy, based

1796
01:18:38,040 --> 01:18:41,760
Speaker 6: on his experience and his MMA IQ that he knows

1797
01:18:41,840 --> 01:18:43,520
Speaker 6: how to adapt to opponents.

1798
01:18:43,680 --> 01:18:43,800
Speaker 3: Right.

1799
01:18:43,880 --> 01:18:46,519
Speaker 6: It's not that he's getting so much better, but he's

1800
01:18:46,560 --> 01:18:48,920
Speaker 6: so smart and knows how to make the proper adjustments

1801
01:18:48,960 --> 01:18:50,640
Speaker 6: in a fight. And I think in a fight that's this,

1802
01:18:50,960 --> 01:18:54,639
Speaker 6: that's this close, and when you look at the history

1803
01:18:54,680 --> 01:18:56,519
Speaker 6: of these guys, I think you do have to go

1804
01:18:56,600 --> 01:18:57,920
Speaker 6: with the underdog here as well.

1805
01:18:59,160 --> 01:19:00,160
Speaker 8: That set.

1806
01:19:01,439 --> 01:19:05,400
Speaker 6: As good as Holloway looked in his last fight against Rodriguez,

1807
01:19:05,560 --> 01:19:10,160
Speaker 6: his last fight was yeah, yeah, right, I think we're

1808
01:19:10,160 --> 01:19:12,600
Speaker 6: gonna need a higher level than even that because there

1809
01:19:12,640 --> 01:19:15,400
Speaker 6: were certain points where, yeah, you're based on his speed

1810
01:19:15,720 --> 01:19:18,240
Speaker 6: and maybe Max trying to adjust during that fight where

1811
01:19:18,240 --> 01:19:23,160
Speaker 6: I felt that, you know that Max Holloway might not

1812
01:19:23,280 --> 01:19:27,080
Speaker 6: be good enough to beat this Alexander Volkanowski. We're gonna

1813
01:19:27,080 --> 01:19:30,439
Speaker 6: need the dude. We're gonna need the Halloway that beat Cater.

1814
01:19:30,600 --> 01:19:33,400
Speaker 6: We're gonna need the Holloway that beat Ortega, like we

1815
01:19:33,520 --> 01:19:35,200
Speaker 6: need that kind of Holloway.

1816
01:19:35,600 --> 01:19:36,120
Speaker 8: He's gonna be.

1817
01:19:36,280 --> 01:19:39,320
Speaker 6: He has to be at his best, and I think

1818
01:19:39,360 --> 01:19:42,760
Speaker 6: he can pull it off. I have immense respect for Volkanovsky.

1819
01:19:43,280 --> 01:19:46,000
Speaker 6: I do think he's improving, no question about it. John,

1820
01:19:46,400 --> 01:19:49,960
Speaker 6: I think he's a phenomenal grappler. I think as far

1821
01:19:50,040 --> 01:19:52,880
Speaker 6: as M M A i Q. And decision making and

1822
01:19:52,960 --> 01:19:56,600
Speaker 6: adjustments during fights, there's few that are better than Volkanovsky.

1823
01:19:57,240 --> 01:20:01,479
Speaker 6: But I think Halloway's range, his intel leigence, the fact

1824
01:20:01,520 --> 01:20:04,840
Speaker 6: that they've met together so much, and the overall experience

1825
01:20:05,439 --> 01:20:08,680
Speaker 6: as far as minutes in the octagon for Holloway, I

1826
01:20:08,760 --> 01:20:11,559
Speaker 6: think is significant enough that he wins this fight.

1827
01:20:11,840 --> 01:20:14,080
Speaker 8: I think it's going to be close, but I like Max.

1828
01:20:14,120 --> 01:20:18,600
Speaker 8: Here very interesting from Brian Patrion and Kenny Florian on

1829
01:20:18,640 --> 01:20:20,400
Speaker 8: the co headliner that brings us to the main event.

1830
01:20:20,520 --> 01:20:23,240
Speaker 8: Israel out of Sonia now minus three sixty five against

1831
01:20:23,280 --> 01:20:26,479
Speaker 8: the Killer goerrilla Jared Cannoneer, who is plus three hundred.

1832
01:20:26,920 --> 01:20:28,800
Speaker 8: I know, is he get sensitive when I talk about

1833
01:20:28,800 --> 01:20:31,640
Speaker 8: the number of title defenses because he alleges that his

1834
01:20:31,760 --> 01:20:34,479
Speaker 8: Whittaker win the first one should be a title defense.

1835
01:20:34,600 --> 01:20:38,080
Speaker 8: So I guess that's neither here nor there. But certainly

1836
01:20:38,160 --> 01:20:41,280
Speaker 8: Brian I would argue out of Sonya is prohibitively favored here.

1837
01:20:41,640 --> 01:20:44,439
Speaker 8: Perhaps some still see the value at minus three sixty five.

1838
01:20:45,160 --> 01:20:47,320
Speaker 8: What are your thoughts on the Middleway Championship main event

1839
01:20:47,400 --> 01:20:48,960
Speaker 8: and who gets their hen raised?

1840
01:20:50,000 --> 01:20:51,760
Speaker 4: You know, I'm an busy guy, and I love the

1841
01:20:51,840 --> 01:20:52,280
Speaker 4: new blood.

1842
01:20:52,640 --> 01:20:54,640
Speaker 12: I love that he's coming off two rematches, and't it

1843
01:20:54,760 --> 01:20:57,479
Speaker 12: looked like, you know, in the victory fight in the

1844
01:20:57,479 --> 01:20:59,519
Speaker 12: Witaker fight, even even though Whitaker's high level and some

1845
01:20:59,520 --> 01:21:02,280
Speaker 12: people watch a Whitaker winning that fight, but it just

1846
01:21:02,320 --> 01:21:03,840
Speaker 12: seemed like he was a little like I've been in

1847
01:21:04,160 --> 01:21:06,760
Speaker 12: I've done this before. He's been bringing up Cannoneer for

1848
01:21:06,800 --> 01:21:08,360
Speaker 12: a while, calling him the dark horse of the division.

1849
01:21:08,400 --> 01:21:10,000
Speaker 12: When Cannaida was kind of coming up, he ran a

1850
01:21:10,080 --> 01:21:12,360
Speaker 12: Robert Whitaker and it kind of slowed down. But Ken

1851
01:21:12,439 --> 01:21:14,840
Speaker 12: Neer is is an interesting guy. He's a brick wall

1852
01:21:14,920 --> 01:21:16,120
Speaker 12: you know what I mean. He's a big dude. He

1853
01:21:16,320 --> 01:21:19,760
Speaker 12: changed his complete life from moving Alaska Arizona. His body

1854
01:21:19,800 --> 01:21:22,639
Speaker 12: completely changed. I mean, this guy is a stud. But again,

1855
01:21:23,120 --> 01:21:23,960
Speaker 12: I'm an easy guy.

1856
01:21:24,400 --> 01:21:24,560
Speaker 3: You know.

1857
01:21:24,720 --> 01:21:25,400
Speaker 4: I went to Atlanta.

1858
01:21:25,400 --> 01:21:27,160
Speaker 12: I saw him fighting Lanta against m Gasa when he

1859
01:21:27,160 --> 01:21:30,200
Speaker 12: won the Intern belt. And again this is back to

1860
01:21:30,280 --> 01:21:32,800
Speaker 12: the sugar thing. This kid's a star. You know, he's marketable,

1861
01:21:33,040 --> 01:21:35,920
Speaker 12: he's good for the sport and uh and he's amazing.

1862
01:21:36,240 --> 01:21:38,200
Speaker 12: I like what he's saying in this camp. He's saying

1863
01:21:38,240 --> 01:21:39,519
Speaker 12: he's to come out there. He's gonna make this look

1864
01:21:39,560 --> 01:21:42,000
Speaker 12: like Anderson Silver versus Forrest Griffin. And I think that's

1865
01:21:42,000 --> 01:21:46,400
Speaker 12: a good analogy because jen Kaerneer is slow, right, He's

1866
01:21:46,520 --> 01:21:49,519
Speaker 12: powerful and his hands and his his kicks are a

1867
01:21:49,560 --> 01:21:50,960
Speaker 12: little bit faster in his hands, but his hands are

1868
01:21:51,000 --> 01:21:52,760
Speaker 12: very slow. He's very plotting. I think, is he wants

1869
01:21:52,760 --> 01:21:54,160
Speaker 12: to pick him apart on the outside. I think, is

1870
01:21:54,240 --> 01:21:55,960
Speaker 12: he wants to come for a finish. I know it's

1871
01:21:55,960 --> 01:21:58,200
Speaker 12: not easy. He's never been knocked out at one eighty five,

1872
01:21:58,240 --> 01:21:59,720
Speaker 12: but he didn't get knocked out by Dominic Gray as

1873
01:21:59,720 --> 01:22:01,680
Speaker 12: the two you didn't get knocked out a heavyweight by

1874
01:22:01,680 --> 01:22:03,880
Speaker 12: Sean Jordan's So there is room there, and I believe

1875
01:22:03,960 --> 01:22:06,000
Speaker 12: Robert Riddicker bounce them around a little bit in their fight.

1876
01:22:06,600 --> 01:22:08,640
Speaker 12: It's not gonna be easy, but I see is he

1877
01:22:08,760 --> 01:22:10,280
Speaker 12: kind of wanting to make a statement here. I don't

1878
01:22:10,280 --> 01:22:12,200
Speaker 12: want him to go in a safe mode. I want

1879
01:22:12,280 --> 01:22:14,799
Speaker 12: him to go polocousta mode and go after this guys.

1880
01:22:14,880 --> 01:22:17,080
Speaker 12: I think he can do it with his speed and power.

1881
01:22:17,200 --> 01:22:18,599
Speaker 12: So I'm gonna go Izzy by Ko.

1882
01:22:20,000 --> 01:22:22,000
Speaker 8: Ken Pler. What do you think got a signya cannone

1883
01:22:22,080 --> 01:22:24,080
Speaker 8: or under the lights here Saturday Night? Yeah.

1884
01:22:24,120 --> 01:22:27,000
Speaker 6: I've been so impressed with the changes that Jared Cannoneer

1885
01:22:27,080 --> 01:22:31,160
Speaker 6: has made in his life, in his technique, in his approach.

1886
01:22:32,920 --> 01:22:36,760
Speaker 6: He's a very pressive dude, very intelligent guy. But I

1887
01:22:36,920 --> 01:22:39,759
Speaker 6: do think that it's similar to you know, the O'Malley

1888
01:22:39,840 --> 01:22:44,240
Speaker 6: Munio's fight where Cannoneir is so tough. But footwork is

1889
01:22:44,280 --> 01:22:46,479
Speaker 6: going to be an issue and range is going to

1890
01:22:46,520 --> 01:22:48,720
Speaker 6: be an issue. If you don't have good footwork, or

1891
01:22:48,760 --> 01:22:50,479
Speaker 6: you don't have I should say, if you don't have

1892
01:22:50,600 --> 01:22:53,519
Speaker 6: his good footwork, if you don't have great footwork and

1893
01:22:53,680 --> 01:22:57,760
Speaker 6: you are down on reach, it's going to be very

1894
01:22:57,880 --> 01:23:00,840
Speaker 6: difficult you got a clip out of sign your hard

1895
01:23:01,080 --> 01:23:03,040
Speaker 6: and you need out to sign you to make major

1896
01:23:03,160 --> 01:23:07,400
Speaker 6: mistakes during that fight? Is it possible? Absolutely? Is it probable?

1897
01:23:07,960 --> 01:23:10,280
Speaker 6: I don't think so, And so I think is he

1898
01:23:10,800 --> 01:23:15,120
Speaker 6: takes this one. His reach, his tools, his weapons, his speed,

1899
01:23:15,280 --> 01:23:18,840
Speaker 6: his footwork primarily for me, is gonna be the difference here?

1900
01:23:19,800 --> 01:23:21,679
Speaker 8: The champ gotta stay the champ.

1901
01:23:21,880 --> 01:23:22,200
Speaker 4: All right?

1902
01:23:22,280 --> 01:23:24,160
Speaker 8: Let us get some quick picks here on the way out.

1903
01:23:24,280 --> 01:23:28,480
Speaker 8: At middleweight, Brad tavoris minus one point fifteen. Dracus Duplessi

1904
01:23:28,840 --> 01:23:31,000
Speaker 8: minus one oh five Brian Petrie. Will you have a

1905
01:23:31,080 --> 01:23:31,720
Speaker 8: pick on that fight?

1906
01:23:32,960 --> 01:23:34,479
Speaker 4: I will? I like you plus he in that fight?

1907
01:23:35,080 --> 01:23:40,479
Speaker 8: Ken Flow Tavaris du plus c. Let's go do plus

1908
01:23:40,520 --> 01:23:43,439
Speaker 8: he as well? All right? Andre Moon is minus two

1909
01:23:43,600 --> 01:23:46,120
Speaker 8: forty five against your Ryah Hall plus two oh five.

1910
01:23:46,160 --> 01:23:47,840
Speaker 8: Who do you guys like there? Ken Flow? Moon is

1911
01:23:47,920 --> 01:23:51,160
Speaker 8: the Brazilian jiu jitsu player or the striker you're right

1912
01:23:51,160 --> 01:23:54,800
Speaker 8: at Hall? Won? Is he's hot right now? BP? Yeah?

1913
01:23:55,280 --> 01:23:58,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm unis as well? He's special on the ground. Kids, kids, kids,

1914
01:23:58,280 --> 01:23:59,479
Speaker 4: a beast, all right?

1915
01:23:59,520 --> 01:24:02,600
Speaker 8: And then as yet no betting line on drafting sportsbook

1916
01:24:02,640 --> 01:24:07,080
Speaker 8: on Jim Miller and Donald SERRONI. Brian, will you will

1917
01:24:07,160 --> 01:24:08,840
Speaker 8: you have a strong lean on this fight.

1918
01:24:10,080 --> 01:24:11,960
Speaker 12: I've been thinking about. You know, it's a rematch. Obviously,

1919
01:24:12,880 --> 01:24:17,120
Speaker 12: let's just go Cowboy. Give me Cowboy can flow.

1920
01:24:17,600 --> 01:24:19,320
Speaker 8: Yeah, I can't go the other way. I'm gonna go

1921
01:24:19,400 --> 01:24:20,160
Speaker 8: SERRONI as well.

1922
01:24:21,240 --> 01:24:22,519
Speaker 4: I thought he was going Jim Miller.

1923
01:24:22,560 --> 01:24:27,639
Speaker 8: That's why. All right, Brian Petree elevating the entire podcast

1924
01:24:27,720 --> 01:24:29,360
Speaker 8: every week. You can get more from him at Brian

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Speaker 8: Petrie Mma. That includes the m M A Takes podcasts

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Speaker 8: as well. My man, I I I listen to your podcast.

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Speaker 8: You said you don't have any hair at all on

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Speaker 8: your body. Very envious as someone who gets I.

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Speaker 4: Have no I have no I have a little see this,

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Speaker 4: I have no leg hair. I got hair on my head.

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Speaker 3: What I do?

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Speaker 8: What I would do? We never have to share in

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Speaker 8: my head. All Right, we will. We will talk to

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Speaker 8: you next week. My man appreciate it very much. All right, boys,

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Speaker 8: there he is Brian Petree with us for the main

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Speaker 8: event challenge. All right, Cody Merrow, I wouldn't mind seeing

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Speaker 8: your face for a minute, but I really gotta go

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Speaker 8: literallytox hat. How about the Boston Red Sox fucking ten

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Speaker 8: games over five hundred right now after the way they

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Speaker 8: started the season, the fighting Alex Coras. But I got

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Speaker 8: to go to a studio in about two minutes, So

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Speaker 8: what do you have for us, Cody?

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Speaker 7: Well, so I've spinning everything forward, big week ahead for

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Speaker 7: the Anak and Floran podcast YouTube channel and all of

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Speaker 7: the members involved here. Fortunately no Kenny Julia Bud dropped out,

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Speaker 7: but Kayla Harrison still fighting on Friday.

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Speaker 8: I made the call.

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Speaker 7: I try to be like, hey, like not that big

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Speaker 7: of a fight, Like can we get Kenny to go

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Speaker 7: to vas and just like fill the spot. Don Davis

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Speaker 7: wasn't having it, So I like the new haircut though,

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Speaker 7: Don it looks great. Uf see two seventy six International

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Speaker 7: Fight Week Tentative UFC basketball run Wednesday night, Gonna be

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Speaker 7: filmed by Anatomy of a Fighters, Will Harris, Alai Mohammad,

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Speaker 7: Jamal Hill, Walt Harris, Michael Kisa said they'll watch. Yeah,

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Speaker 7: that's probably a little better for his basketball acumen there.

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Speaker 8: Especially if there's gonna be video. He should definitely.

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Speaker 7: Watch right right right, maybe free throw contest, but I

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Speaker 7: don't know, We're not We're gonna have real reps instead

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Speaker 7: of the ones that you had for your contest. John

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Speaker 7: UFC two seventy six presser at two o'clock on Thursday

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Speaker 7: Awards ceremony sosty bye.

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Speaker 8: I wasn't gonna drop it. I didn't know if that

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Speaker 8: was you.

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Speaker 4: Know, covers information.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, John's gonna be looking good in his Mark Russell

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Speaker 7: suit Friday UFC Expo. I'm gonna be there with the

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Speaker 7: MMA Underground with John Morgan aka Sports Illustrat at MMA.

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Speaker 7: We're gonna be there for like eight hours interviewing.

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Speaker 4: People, you know, shaking hands, kissing babies.

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Speaker 7: So you can catch me over there on that feed

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Speaker 7: making a fool of myself probably, but before I hit

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Speaker 7: the blackjack table in the bookies.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 7: There you go, and then the hat is on purpose.

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Speaker 7: Red Sox hottest team in baseball, six game win streak,

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Speaker 7: one ten of our last twelve and yesterday the Yankees

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Speaker 7: got no hit by the Astros, so they you guys suck,

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Speaker 7: We're coming for you.

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Speaker 3: There you go.

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Speaker 8: Cody Marrow with the Merrow Seconds on the way out

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Speaker 8: and yes, Cody will be here in Vegas rep and

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Speaker 8: the Anaicinplorian podcast. Hopefully if you are in Vegas, you

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Speaker 8: will join us at the T Mobile Arena for the

1985
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Speaker 8: UFC Hall of Fame Inductions ceremony on Thursday night. That

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Speaker 8: is one of the more special things I do all year. Yes, sir,

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Speaker 8: one last thing you can catch.

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Speaker 7: We've got fight Pass exclusive content coming up this week

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Speaker 7: on fight Pass. We're gonna watch one of Kenny's fights

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Speaker 7: and live commentated.

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Speaker 8: It's gonna be great. Chan't wait to do it. Just

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Speaker 8: fighting on the footage, but yes, Ken Plow and I

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Speaker 8: are going to look back at one of his earlier

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Speaker 8: fights and that should be some pretty cool content exclusively

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Speaker 8: on UFC Fight Pass. Also coming up on Friday, I'll

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Speaker 8: be hosting the UFC two to seventy eight Press Conference

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Speaker 8: with Leon Edwards and Kamar Ousman. So this is gonna

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Speaker 8: be the biggest, biggest, busiest week of my professional life.

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Speaker 8: I'm excited to get it started. Don't forget remembered the

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Speaker 8: show with Bila Muhammad and Jason Anna coming up on Thursday.

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Speaker 8: That's on the Anak and Florian podcast YouTube channel, and

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Speaker 8: thank you to our sponsors UFC Fight Pass and Drafting Sportsbook.

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Speaker 8: Thanks to our guest Ray Longo, Shan Sheen and Brian Peach,

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Speaker 8: and of course our executive producer Cody merril Ken Flow.

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Speaker 8: Have a great vacation. Man, I appreciate you getting up early,

2016
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Speaker 8: and I guess we'll talk to you next Sunday. My man,

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Speaker 8: thank you, brother, safe travels man, kill it. I'll be

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Speaker 8: watching all right. That is it for episode three point

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Speaker 8: fifty four. We will talk to you all Saturday night

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Speaker 8: for UFC two seventy six live on pay per view

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Speaker 8: premiums on ABC. That's exciting as well. Thanks to everybody

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Speaker 8: for listening, watching, subscribing. We will talk to you next

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Speaker 8: Sunday night to recap it all. Until then, y'll it.

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Speaker 1: I'm Royal Oaks. Next time, on Too Many Lawyers, we

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Speaker 1: bad stuff is also illegal stuff. George Santos want a

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Speaker 3: In England, he go to jail for that.

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Speaker 1: Here in America, did he commit a hate crime? Listen

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