1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:02,040 Speaker 1: Hi, I'm George and Orian. Welcome to the new I 2 00:00:02,120 --> 00:00:05,200 Speaker 1: Heart Media and Coast to Coast, a imparanormal podcast network. 3 00:00:05,360 --> 00:00:07,720 Speaker 1: Like us on Facebook, Tell your friends and share us 4 00:00:07,720 --> 00:00:10,720 Speaker 1: with everyone. This is an exciting new network that will 5 00:00:10,760 --> 00:00:14,960 Speaker 1: feature podcasts of the paranormal, supernatural, and the unexplained. Now, 6 00:00:15,000 --> 00:00:18,040 Speaker 1: please sit back and enjoy Shades of the Afterlife with 7 00:00:18,120 --> 00:00:22,640 Speaker 1: Sander Champlain. The thoughts and opinions expressed by the host 8 00:00:22,840 --> 00:00:26,200 Speaker 1: do not necessarily reflect those of I Heart Media, I 9 00:00:26,360 --> 00:00:30,480 Speaker 1: Heart Radio, Coast to Coast A, the employees of Premier Networks, 10 00:00:30,600 --> 00:00:42,040 Speaker 1: or their sponsors and associates. Hi, I'm Sanders Champlain. For 11 00:00:42,080 --> 00:00:45,360 Speaker 1: almost twenty five years, I've been on a journey to 12 00:00:45,479 --> 00:00:49,440 Speaker 1: prove the existence of life after death. On each episode 13 00:00:49,520 --> 00:00:52,720 Speaker 1: will discuss the reasons we now know that our loved 14 00:00:52,760 --> 00:00:58,040 Speaker 1: ones have survived physical death and so will we. Welcome 15 00:00:58,160 --> 00:01:01,600 Speaker 1: to Shades of the Afterlife. Today, I want to talk 16 00:01:01,640 --> 00:01:06,959 Speaker 1: about e v P electronic voice phenomena, and that's the 17 00:01:07,040 --> 00:01:12,360 Speaker 1: recording of sounds and playing it back and hearing voices 18 00:01:12,400 --> 00:01:16,560 Speaker 1: in it. Now, to the average person who is not 19 00:01:16,680 --> 00:01:21,640 Speaker 1: interested in the afterlife, you might think that's absolutely crazy, 20 00:01:21,680 --> 00:01:25,600 Speaker 1: And there actually is something called paradolia, which the mind 21 00:01:25,880 --> 00:01:30,480 Speaker 1: and actually the eyes can do. We can take the 22 00:01:30,560 --> 00:01:34,000 Speaker 1: sound of something and if we listen to it long enough, 23 00:01:34,480 --> 00:01:38,680 Speaker 1: our minds can start hearing words in them. And it's 24 00:01:38,880 --> 00:01:44,640 Speaker 1: very similar to the paradolia that happens with people visually. 25 00:01:45,200 --> 00:01:48,160 Speaker 1: And you may have heard some of these stories. Someone 26 00:01:48,240 --> 00:01:52,240 Speaker 1: sees the Virgin Mary in a piece of toast, or 27 00:01:52,440 --> 00:01:55,440 Speaker 1: someone's looking at a tree and we'll see a face 28 00:01:55,760 --> 00:01:59,000 Speaker 1: in the bark. Those things happen all the time. It's 29 00:01:59,080 --> 00:02:03,400 Speaker 1: a natural thing for our minds to make up faces 30 00:02:03,880 --> 00:02:09,400 Speaker 1: doesn't mean they're actually there. So anytime there's an image 31 00:02:09,520 --> 00:02:12,880 Speaker 1: or an audio, to know it is the real thing 32 00:02:13,080 --> 00:02:16,040 Speaker 1: coming from the afterlife, there needs to be some kind 33 00:02:16,080 --> 00:02:21,560 Speaker 1: of intelligence behind it. So paradolia works with the mind 34 00:02:21,840 --> 00:02:25,160 Speaker 1: through the ears. That we could hear a sound over 35 00:02:25,200 --> 00:02:28,240 Speaker 1: and over and over again, and all of a sudden, 36 00:02:28,280 --> 00:02:31,360 Speaker 1: we're hearing the sound of a loved one, we think. 37 00:02:31,639 --> 00:02:35,520 Speaker 1: Or when I was a kid, we would play records 38 00:02:35,600 --> 00:02:40,440 Speaker 1: backwards and the big thing was zoe or hearing scary words. 39 00:02:40,560 --> 00:02:42,680 Speaker 1: We're hearing the voice of the devil and those kind 40 00:02:42,720 --> 00:02:45,840 Speaker 1: of things. So my brother would pull out an old 41 00:02:45,880 --> 00:02:48,760 Speaker 1: album and play it backwards and scare the heck out 42 00:02:48,760 --> 00:02:52,720 Speaker 1: of me. Little did I know that our young minds 43 00:02:52,720 --> 00:02:56,560 Speaker 1: were just making upwards out of the sounds that we've heard. 44 00:02:56,960 --> 00:03:01,240 Speaker 1: But electronic voice phenomena is actually quite different. Stick with 45 00:03:01,280 --> 00:03:05,080 Speaker 1: me on this. If you have a digital tape recorder 46 00:03:05,440 --> 00:03:09,280 Speaker 1: and you record the sound of, say, rain drops coming 47 00:03:09,320 --> 00:03:13,360 Speaker 1: down or a fan blowing in the background, and have 48 00:03:13,560 --> 00:03:17,360 Speaker 1: had a little prayer before the loving intent to work 49 00:03:17,400 --> 00:03:21,519 Speaker 1: with the unseen world, it just could happen that when 50 00:03:21,520 --> 00:03:24,639 Speaker 1: you play it back there is a voice, a voice 51 00:03:24,639 --> 00:03:28,040 Speaker 1: talking to you. Well, how did I get interested in 52 00:03:28,040 --> 00:03:31,480 Speaker 1: this world of electronic voice phenomena and what kind of 53 00:03:31,520 --> 00:03:36,480 Speaker 1: proof did I find? I'm not exactly sure where I 54 00:03:36,600 --> 00:03:39,960 Speaker 1: had heard about it for the very first time, as 55 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:41,800 Speaker 1: you may or may not know if this is your 56 00:03:41,840 --> 00:03:45,800 Speaker 1: first show. I have been a researcher into the afterlife 57 00:03:45,800 --> 00:03:49,480 Speaker 1: for about twenty five years, all based on my fear 58 00:03:49,560 --> 00:03:53,440 Speaker 1: of dying and really questioning is there something beyond death? 59 00:03:53,880 --> 00:03:59,520 Speaker 1: So somewhere along the line I heard about electronic voice phenomena. 60 00:04:00,160 --> 00:04:03,440 Speaker 1: I had purchased a book called There Is No Death 61 00:04:03,840 --> 00:04:06,640 Speaker 1: and There Are No Dead by Tom and Lisa Butler. 62 00:04:07,040 --> 00:04:09,960 Speaker 1: Now I had no idea who they were, I just 63 00:04:10,120 --> 00:04:13,520 Speaker 1: looked up E v P on Amazon and purchased a book, 64 00:04:13,560 --> 00:04:18,520 Speaker 1: and I still remember sitting at home doing the exercise, 65 00:04:18,640 --> 00:04:22,200 Speaker 1: and inside the book they had said to dial your 66 00:04:22,360 --> 00:04:26,279 Speaker 1: radio to one of those in between stations where you 67 00:04:26,320 --> 00:04:31,000 Speaker 1: can just hear static and press the record button and 68 00:04:31,520 --> 00:04:34,840 Speaker 1: record and then listen to the voice if there is 69 00:04:34,880 --> 00:04:37,560 Speaker 1: a voice on it, but play it back, and sometimes 70 00:04:37,600 --> 00:04:41,000 Speaker 1: it takes playing over and over and over. So this 71 00:04:41,080 --> 00:04:44,480 Speaker 1: is before I had any training. Just not picture this. There. 72 00:04:44,520 --> 00:04:49,200 Speaker 1: I was doing the recording. I uploaded the recording into 73 00:04:49,320 --> 00:04:53,520 Speaker 1: my computer. I sat with my headphones on, and then 74 00:04:53,680 --> 00:04:58,240 Speaker 1: I freaked out. The good Catholic girl inside of me said, 75 00:04:58,400 --> 00:05:01,320 Speaker 1: this is certainly playing with the devil's work and I 76 00:05:01,400 --> 00:05:05,320 Speaker 1: shouldn't be doing it. At that time, that was really 77 00:05:05,760 --> 00:05:11,120 Speaker 1: far back into my adventure into discovering what lies beyond. 78 00:05:11,400 --> 00:05:15,080 Speaker 1: But I scared myself half to death. So what I 79 00:05:15,120 --> 00:05:18,600 Speaker 1: did is I buried my tape recorder in one of 80 00:05:18,600 --> 00:05:22,680 Speaker 1: my drawers and that book and put it aside. So 81 00:05:22,760 --> 00:05:26,279 Speaker 1: something else happened. I took a course in medium ship, 82 00:05:26,320 --> 00:05:29,479 Speaker 1: which you may have heard about in an earlier episode, 83 00:05:30,080 --> 00:05:35,440 Speaker 1: and I started getting accurate details about people's loved ones 84 00:05:35,960 --> 00:05:41,280 Speaker 1: through my mind, through my imagination. I wanted to know, 85 00:05:41,839 --> 00:05:44,560 Speaker 1: is there more to this? Is there some way that 86 00:05:44,600 --> 00:05:47,520 Speaker 1: I could train to do this to be more accurate? 87 00:05:47,560 --> 00:05:51,400 Speaker 1: Because truthfully, most of the time I was wrong, but 88 00:05:51,640 --> 00:05:54,520 Speaker 1: the times that I was right, I was right on right. 89 00:05:54,880 --> 00:05:57,640 Speaker 1: So I wanted to know why does it work sometimes 90 00:05:57,680 --> 00:06:00,880 Speaker 1: and why does it not work other times? Lo and behold. 91 00:06:00,920 --> 00:06:04,039 Speaker 1: I go to a bookstore and I was in that 92 00:06:04,240 --> 00:06:10,400 Speaker 1: supernatural spiritual section, and I see a book bright orange 93 00:06:10,880 --> 00:06:15,520 Speaker 1: called Get This An Idiot's Guide to Communicating with Spirits. 94 00:06:16,560 --> 00:06:19,919 Speaker 1: It almost seemed like the book fell off the shelf 95 00:06:20,000 --> 00:06:23,080 Speaker 1: just for me. Didn't literally fall off the shelf, but 96 00:06:23,120 --> 00:06:26,080 Speaker 1: it was right there, teetering on the edge, and I 97 00:06:26,120 --> 00:06:29,280 Speaker 1: took a look at it. So throughout the book there 98 00:06:29,279 --> 00:06:34,119 Speaker 1: are all kinds of things about mediumship, the different kinds 99 00:06:34,120 --> 00:06:39,719 Speaker 1: of mediumship. There are the history of Spiritualism, all kinds 100 00:06:39,760 --> 00:06:44,960 Speaker 1: of good stuff, written by a woman called Reverend Rita Berkowitz. 101 00:06:45,680 --> 00:06:48,960 Speaker 1: So I go through the book and I was absolutely 102 00:06:49,000 --> 00:06:53,120 Speaker 1: fascinated to find out there are these places called spiritualist 103 00:06:53,200 --> 00:06:57,000 Speaker 1: churches where you could go to a church service and 104 00:06:57,080 --> 00:07:00,840 Speaker 1: at the end of every service, the menu stir is 105 00:07:00,880 --> 00:07:04,920 Speaker 1: a medium and he or she will do mediumship readings 106 00:07:04,920 --> 00:07:09,400 Speaker 1: on the congregation. I thought, wow, here I was living 107 00:07:09,400 --> 00:07:13,240 Speaker 1: in Massachusetts and this is an example of are they 108 00:07:13,280 --> 00:07:17,520 Speaker 1: synchronicities or am I being led on a path? I 109 00:07:17,600 --> 00:07:20,440 Speaker 1: turned to the back of the book looking for where 110 00:07:20,520 --> 00:07:24,520 Speaker 1: would be the closest Spiritualist church near me, and come 111 00:07:24,560 --> 00:07:29,200 Speaker 1: to find out, Reverend Rita Berkowitz and her church in Quincy, 112 00:07:29,280 --> 00:07:34,480 Speaker 1: Massachusetts was only a half hour from where I was living. 113 00:07:35,440 --> 00:07:38,600 Speaker 1: What are the chances of that? I decided to attend 114 00:07:38,840 --> 00:07:42,560 Speaker 1: on a Sunday. Brought my friend Bob with me because 115 00:07:42,600 --> 00:07:44,880 Speaker 1: I was a little nervous, to be honest with you, 116 00:07:45,680 --> 00:07:48,960 Speaker 1: and although I didn't have a loved one come through 117 00:07:49,360 --> 00:07:54,720 Speaker 1: in the mediumship demonstration, part, my friend Bob did. He 118 00:07:54,840 --> 00:07:58,840 Speaker 1: had unresolved business with his mom before she had passed, 119 00:07:59,360 --> 00:08:02,960 Speaker 1: and he as living with guilt and regret for the 120 00:08:03,040 --> 00:08:06,400 Speaker 1: words that hadn't been shared. And lo and behold, the 121 00:08:06,480 --> 00:08:11,040 Speaker 1: mother came through with such accurate information about who she was, 122 00:08:11,640 --> 00:08:14,119 Speaker 1: and the medium was talking just to Bob, and Bob 123 00:08:14,160 --> 00:08:17,800 Speaker 1: knew that was his mom. Now, Bob wasn't interested in 124 00:08:17,800 --> 00:08:20,920 Speaker 1: all this. He came with me to the Spiritualist church 125 00:08:20,960 --> 00:08:23,360 Speaker 1: because he was my friend, and it thought it'd be 126 00:08:23,400 --> 00:08:27,760 Speaker 1: something interesting to do, never expecting that these words that 127 00:08:27,840 --> 00:08:32,320 Speaker 1: came from the medium would heal him and comfort him. 128 00:08:32,760 --> 00:08:36,120 Speaker 1: To know the mother's been witnessing what's happening in his life, 129 00:08:36,679 --> 00:08:39,520 Speaker 1: that she had regrets, that she loved him, and the 130 00:08:39,600 --> 00:08:43,160 Speaker 1: message was simply let it go. Something like that. It 131 00:08:43,200 --> 00:08:47,360 Speaker 1: was amazing to watch. Well, coffee hour happened and I 132 00:08:47,520 --> 00:08:51,720 Speaker 1: met at Reverend Rita, and she's just an incredible soul. 133 00:08:52,679 --> 00:08:58,520 Speaker 1: And she looked at me and she saw apparently a 134 00:08:58,679 --> 00:09:02,240 Speaker 1: bunch of light around me. Told me I was a 135 00:09:02,280 --> 00:09:06,360 Speaker 1: teacher and I was a healer, and I was going 136 00:09:06,440 --> 00:09:10,000 Speaker 1: to do big things. Back in those days, I was 137 00:09:10,280 --> 00:09:14,679 Speaker 1: simply doing my catering job, researching the afterlife. I had 138 00:09:14,679 --> 00:09:19,600 Speaker 1: no intention of sharing anything that I was doing with anyone. 139 00:09:20,120 --> 00:09:23,280 Speaker 1: Reverend Rita said to me, come back next week. I 140 00:09:23,320 --> 00:09:26,480 Speaker 1: think you'll enjoy the couple that are going to be 141 00:09:26,559 --> 00:09:30,720 Speaker 1: the ministers. Okay, well, I go back the following week. 142 00:09:31,400 --> 00:09:34,760 Speaker 1: Took my seat towards the front, and I was a 143 00:09:34,840 --> 00:09:38,160 Speaker 1: husband and wife and unfortunately I don't remember their names. 144 00:09:38,880 --> 00:09:42,560 Speaker 1: The wife was the minister. The husband stayed quiet for 145 00:09:42,640 --> 00:09:45,520 Speaker 1: quite a while, but at the end He got up 146 00:09:45,559 --> 00:09:49,160 Speaker 1: to speak, and he said, I never really bought into spiritualism. 147 00:09:49,200 --> 00:09:53,160 Speaker 1: I never bought into this thought that there could be 148 00:09:53,240 --> 00:09:58,080 Speaker 1: life after death until I could do something scientific to 149 00:09:58,120 --> 00:10:02,280 Speaker 1: find out whether it's true or not. So he said, 150 00:10:02,600 --> 00:10:07,000 Speaker 1: my wife and I bought a book on electronic voice phenomena, 151 00:10:07,120 --> 00:10:09,839 Speaker 1: There is No Death and there Are No Dead, by 152 00:10:09,920 --> 00:10:14,839 Speaker 1: Tom and Lisa Butler, and we proceeded to do experiments. 153 00:10:15,320 --> 00:10:18,280 Speaker 1: He said. They were both on their second marriages and 154 00:10:18,440 --> 00:10:24,560 Speaker 1: both had children who were deceased. In their experiment, they 155 00:10:24,600 --> 00:10:28,800 Speaker 1: had their digital tape recorder. They left a fan blowing 156 00:10:28,920 --> 00:10:32,280 Speaker 1: in their bedroom and the two of them left their house. 157 00:10:33,400 --> 00:10:37,080 Speaker 1: After a while, they went back in, turned off the recorder, 158 00:10:37,400 --> 00:10:41,320 Speaker 1: uploaded the sound that was recorded, and they started to listen, 159 00:10:42,040 --> 00:10:44,440 Speaker 1: and this gentleman said, I'd like to play for you 160 00:10:44,520 --> 00:10:49,040 Speaker 1: now what we heard, and what they played was this. 161 00:10:50,000 --> 00:10:54,560 Speaker 1: There were sounds of little children laughing, and the voice said, Daddy, 162 00:10:54,920 --> 00:10:59,560 Speaker 1: don't be afraid, We're still here with you. Listening to 163 00:10:59,640 --> 00:11:04,520 Speaker 1: that gave me goose bumps, not only because they were 164 00:11:04,559 --> 00:11:09,760 Speaker 1: doing electronic voice phenomena, and because they mentioned the same 165 00:11:09,840 --> 00:11:13,240 Speaker 1: name of the book that I had previously purchased, and 166 00:11:13,400 --> 00:11:15,960 Speaker 1: that the other book that I had bought, The Idiot's 167 00:11:15,960 --> 00:11:19,319 Speaker 1: Guide to Communicating with Spirits, led me to a church 168 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:24,120 Speaker 1: so close to where I lived. But I definitely felt 169 00:11:24,160 --> 00:11:27,520 Speaker 1: like I was on a path to learn about this, 170 00:11:28,080 --> 00:11:31,600 Speaker 1: so I knew when the time was right, I would 171 00:11:31,640 --> 00:11:35,839 Speaker 1: look more into Electronic Voice Phenomena. I still had fear, 172 00:11:35,920 --> 00:11:39,720 Speaker 1: quite honestly, so it wasn't anything I was going to 173 00:11:39,760 --> 00:11:44,800 Speaker 1: do immediately. Fast forward a few months. I'm busy working 174 00:11:44,840 --> 00:11:49,040 Speaker 1: my catering business, strung out from the long hours, and 175 00:11:49,200 --> 00:11:53,240 Speaker 1: feel like going on a retreat. And there's a retreat 176 00:11:53,320 --> 00:11:57,040 Speaker 1: center in Rhinebeck, New York, called the Omega Center, and 177 00:11:57,080 --> 00:12:01,240 Speaker 1: they always have classes going on, all kinds of different things. 178 00:12:01,240 --> 00:12:04,800 Speaker 1: You can take, you eat vegetarian food, you do whole 179 00:12:04,920 --> 00:12:08,200 Speaker 1: kinds of nice walks, you can get massages. And I thought, 180 00:12:08,320 --> 00:12:10,800 Speaker 1: you know what, I want to go there. I want 181 00:12:10,800 --> 00:12:13,280 Speaker 1: to relax, I want to eat healthy, I want to 182 00:12:13,320 --> 00:12:17,400 Speaker 1: be out in nature. I had one weekend free, and 183 00:12:17,440 --> 00:12:21,360 Speaker 1: of course it ends up being near Halloween. I look 184 00:12:21,400 --> 00:12:25,440 Speaker 1: at the website and the exact weekend that I want 185 00:12:25,440 --> 00:12:29,280 Speaker 1: to go. What do I see? Tom and Lisa Butler 186 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:35,360 Speaker 1: Electronic Voice Phenomena e v P. I feel like on 187 00:12:35,400 --> 00:12:39,240 Speaker 1: my journey there's a path laid out in front of me. 188 00:12:39,440 --> 00:12:42,120 Speaker 1: I feel like there is a point to it all, 189 00:12:42,280 --> 00:12:46,080 Speaker 1: But unfortunately, I feel like we humans only get one 190 00:12:46,440 --> 00:12:49,560 Speaker 1: step at a time. For me, I knew I had 191 00:12:49,559 --> 00:12:52,600 Speaker 1: to take this retreat. I'll be back in just a 192 00:12:52,600 --> 00:12:56,360 Speaker 1: minute to tell you what happened next and give you 193 00:12:56,440 --> 00:13:00,240 Speaker 1: some of the history on Electronic Voice Phenomena your listing 194 00:13:00,280 --> 00:13:03,320 Speaker 1: two Shades of the Afterlife on the I Heart Radio 195 00:13:03,679 --> 00:13:08,360 Speaker 1: and Coast to Coast a m paranormal podcast network. Stay 196 00:13:08,440 --> 00:13:16,240 Speaker 1: right there, there's more Sandra coming right out. At paranormal 197 00:13:16,320 --> 00:13:19,960 Speaker 1: date dot com, you meet the most fantastic people. Hi, 198 00:13:20,200 --> 00:13:23,480 Speaker 1: I'm Tom, Hi, I'm Jennifer. What brings you here? 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This is 234 00:15:40,360 --> 00:15:42,680 Speaker 1: George Nori and you're listening to the new y Heart 235 00:15:42,760 --> 00:15:46,080 Speaker 1: Media and Coast to Coast a imparanormal podcast network heard 236 00:15:46,120 --> 00:15:49,520 Speaker 1: on the I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever 237 00:15:49,640 --> 00:16:05,560 Speaker 1: you find your favorite shows. Welcome back to Shades the Afterlife. 238 00:16:05,760 --> 00:16:08,480 Speaker 1: I'm Sandras Champlain and we're talking about e v p 239 00:16:08,720 --> 00:16:12,720 Speaker 1: s Electronic voice phenomena. So where I left you is 240 00:16:12,760 --> 00:16:16,840 Speaker 1: I decided to take the retreat with Tom and Lisa Butler, 241 00:16:17,280 --> 00:16:20,480 Speaker 1: authors of There Is No Death and There Are No Dead, 242 00:16:21,280 --> 00:16:23,520 Speaker 1: And if I were to tell you I was nervous, 243 00:16:23,640 --> 00:16:27,360 Speaker 1: that would be an understatement. I took a cab over 244 00:16:27,400 --> 00:16:31,680 Speaker 1: to the Omega Center from the airport, and the cab 245 00:16:31,800 --> 00:16:34,360 Speaker 1: driver and I got into a great conversation and He 246 00:16:34,440 --> 00:16:39,360 Speaker 1: asked me why I was attending this retreat. Scared as 247 00:16:39,360 --> 00:16:41,760 Speaker 1: I was, I told him the truth, and he looked 248 00:16:41,760 --> 00:16:44,600 Speaker 1: over his shoulder and took one look at me and said, 249 00:16:45,000 --> 00:16:48,160 Speaker 1: I have to know what happens. So this young man 250 00:16:48,200 --> 00:16:51,000 Speaker 1: actually gave me his email address so I would tell 251 00:16:51,080 --> 00:16:54,000 Speaker 1: him what happened. And as it turned out, the retreat 252 00:16:54,120 --> 00:16:57,080 Speaker 1: was great. It was just a weekend. There were only 253 00:16:57,200 --> 00:17:00,680 Speaker 1: five people in our class. It was a very small class. 254 00:17:01,040 --> 00:17:04,800 Speaker 1: Tom and Lisa Butler very normal people. They had been 255 00:17:04,880 --> 00:17:09,120 Speaker 1: spiritualist ministers. They were interested in the world of electronic 256 00:17:09,200 --> 00:17:14,719 Speaker 1: voice phenomena and gave some history on it, and before 257 00:17:14,760 --> 00:17:20,359 Speaker 1: too long we actually started practicing doing electronic voice phenomena. 258 00:17:20,520 --> 00:17:24,880 Speaker 1: The examples that they gave were different kinds. There are 259 00:17:25,160 --> 00:17:29,359 Speaker 1: voices that are type A, B and C, A being 260 00:17:29,400 --> 00:17:33,200 Speaker 1: the loudest, BE being middle of the range, see being 261 00:17:33,240 --> 00:17:36,960 Speaker 1: the ones that it's a far stretch, you know, listening 262 00:17:36,960 --> 00:17:42,080 Speaker 1: in and sometimes our brains really do use that paradolia 263 00:17:42,200 --> 00:17:46,119 Speaker 1: and make sounds into voices. One of the things we 264 00:17:46,160 --> 00:17:49,399 Speaker 1: did is we would sit in a circle say a 265 00:17:49,440 --> 00:17:54,760 Speaker 1: loving prayer, which builds the intent, and we each brought 266 00:17:54,880 --> 00:17:58,000 Speaker 1: our own digital tape recorder and we had an opportunity 267 00:17:58,359 --> 00:18:01,439 Speaker 1: to record. There was and a lot of background noise 268 00:18:01,480 --> 00:18:04,439 Speaker 1: to record, but we did. We recorded the sound of 269 00:18:04,440 --> 00:18:07,320 Speaker 1: the wind blowing and whatever sounds were there at the 270 00:18:07,359 --> 00:18:12,760 Speaker 1: retreat center. When we played back the recordings, unfortunately I 271 00:18:12,840 --> 00:18:17,280 Speaker 1: couldn't hear anything. Tom and Lisa would upload our individual 272 00:18:17,320 --> 00:18:23,120 Speaker 1: recordings into their computer and when they listened, they could 273 00:18:23,160 --> 00:18:26,920 Speaker 1: hear things like there's a message for your grandmother Betsy 274 00:18:27,280 --> 00:18:31,200 Speaker 1: from your grandfather John. And they gave me some accurate 275 00:18:31,240 --> 00:18:34,879 Speaker 1: information about people in my life, or that we're in 276 00:18:34,920 --> 00:18:39,160 Speaker 1: the afterlife as well, and they could hear this. Listening 277 00:18:39,200 --> 00:18:43,800 Speaker 1: to electronic voice phenomena to me is like learning a 278 00:18:43,840 --> 00:18:50,280 Speaker 1: new language. What's the language? You don't know? Arabic, German, Spanish? 279 00:18:50,320 --> 00:18:53,480 Speaker 1: Who knows? And if you were to hear people speaking 280 00:18:53,520 --> 00:18:57,720 Speaker 1: in their native tongue in their language to you or 281 00:18:57,760 --> 00:19:02,359 Speaker 1: to me, our brain wouldn't understand that as language. We 282 00:19:02,400 --> 00:19:07,200 Speaker 1: would only understand it as noise. However, you learn one word, 283 00:19:07,920 --> 00:19:12,320 Speaker 1: so maybe off eater saying saying goodbye in German, and 284 00:19:12,400 --> 00:19:16,360 Speaker 1: suddenly if you hear a segment of someone speaking German 285 00:19:16,400 --> 00:19:19,520 Speaker 1: and you hear that one word, your mind will recognize 286 00:19:19,560 --> 00:19:23,920 Speaker 1: it well. Electronic voice phenomena works the same way. Once 287 00:19:23,960 --> 00:19:29,239 Speaker 1: we upload the sound segments into our computer. And I 288 00:19:29,280 --> 00:19:32,119 Speaker 1: want to tell you we do short recordings because it 289 00:19:32,160 --> 00:19:35,040 Speaker 1: could take an hour to go through one minute of 290 00:19:35,080 --> 00:19:39,679 Speaker 1: a recording, really, because you are now trying to train 291 00:19:39,840 --> 00:19:43,879 Speaker 1: your ear to listen in for the finer things. So 292 00:19:43,920 --> 00:19:47,399 Speaker 1: if you're recording the sound of rain drops, your brain 293 00:19:47,640 --> 00:19:51,200 Speaker 1: will pick up the sound of raindrops and that's all 294 00:19:51,200 --> 00:19:56,240 Speaker 1: it will hear. Having the intent and thinking to yourself, 295 00:19:56,920 --> 00:20:01,000 Speaker 1: let me set the raindrop sound aside, what else can 296 00:20:01,040 --> 00:20:05,240 Speaker 1: I hear in this? And the more you practice, suddenly 297 00:20:05,400 --> 00:20:09,920 Speaker 1: it's almost like a sound starts to differentiate itself from 298 00:20:09,960 --> 00:20:13,360 Speaker 1: the background white noise that you have recorded. You can 299 00:20:13,400 --> 00:20:18,600 Speaker 1: hear whispers, you can hear louder voices, There's all kinds 300 00:20:18,640 --> 00:20:22,479 Speaker 1: of things you can hear. They explain that the loved 301 00:20:22,520 --> 00:20:27,639 Speaker 1: ones will rearrange the sound particles that were recorded in 302 00:20:27,960 --> 00:20:32,560 Speaker 1: the tape recorders. So, for instance, if you have two 303 00:20:32,680 --> 00:20:36,679 Speaker 1: side by side tape recorders to know that it's a 304 00:20:36,840 --> 00:20:41,399 Speaker 1: real e v P, there will be different things on 305 00:20:41,520 --> 00:20:45,960 Speaker 1: each recorder, So you wouldn't hear say I love you 306 00:20:46,560 --> 00:20:49,560 Speaker 1: on both recorders. You would hear it on one and 307 00:20:49,640 --> 00:20:52,920 Speaker 1: not the other. When you do have the exact same 308 00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:56,680 Speaker 1: thing on both recorders, that just goes to show you 309 00:20:56,840 --> 00:21:00,919 Speaker 1: that that is something you actually recorded. So God only 310 00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:04,119 Speaker 1: knows how loved ones in the unseen world can do 311 00:21:04,200 --> 00:21:08,040 Speaker 1: this rearranging. I've spoken about before. There's a place you 312 00:21:08,080 --> 00:21:11,439 Speaker 1: go called the halls of knowledge or the halls of learning, 313 00:21:11,880 --> 00:21:14,080 Speaker 1: and you can learn different things. And I'm sure on 314 00:21:14,200 --> 00:21:18,359 Speaker 1: their side they have to practice as well. So Tom 315 00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:21,960 Speaker 1: and Lisa they were able to play our e vps 316 00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:25,200 Speaker 1: in their computer and listen to them. And you want 317 00:21:25,240 --> 00:21:28,360 Speaker 1: to use headphones that go over your ear, not just 318 00:21:28,400 --> 00:21:30,879 Speaker 1: the little earbuds that go in your ear, but you 319 00:21:30,920 --> 00:21:33,760 Speaker 1: want the best quality of headphones you can that really 320 00:21:34,040 --> 00:21:38,480 Speaker 1: can pick up those nuances and sound. Our instruction, after 321 00:21:38,560 --> 00:21:41,800 Speaker 1: doing a lot of practicing, was to try to get 322 00:21:41,800 --> 00:21:47,000 Speaker 1: our own recordings. I brought the tape recorder into my cabin. 323 00:21:47,800 --> 00:21:50,399 Speaker 1: I was at a stage where I had already taken 324 00:21:50,440 --> 00:21:54,840 Speaker 1: the class and mediumship, and I knew that the afterlife 325 00:21:54,960 --> 00:21:58,960 Speaker 1: was real, but I didn't have the backbone to talk 326 00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:01,479 Speaker 1: about it because as if people were to ask Sandra, 327 00:22:01,560 --> 00:22:04,439 Speaker 1: who do you see around me? The fact that I 328 00:22:04,640 --> 00:22:08,440 Speaker 1: got it wrong so many times that my imagination would 329 00:22:08,440 --> 00:22:12,640 Speaker 1: get involved in make up people. I couldn't use my 330 00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:18,480 Speaker 1: psychic mediumistic ability to prove to people the evidence of 331 00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:22,480 Speaker 1: the afterlife. So I was looking for something tangible or 332 00:22:22,560 --> 00:22:26,760 Speaker 1: let's say, audible, doing electronic voice phenomena. So on this 333 00:22:26,840 --> 00:22:30,200 Speaker 1: particular evening, I was in a cabin all by myself, 334 00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:34,320 Speaker 1: and I had my digital tape recorder. It was pouring rain. 335 00:22:34,880 --> 00:22:40,080 Speaker 1: I'm sitting on the bed and I imagine my grandmother, grandfather, aunt, 336 00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:43,240 Speaker 1: and uncle by the foot of the bed. And I said, 337 00:22:43,480 --> 00:22:47,480 Speaker 1: after pressing record, Okay, you guys, if this is real 338 00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:51,720 Speaker 1: and I'm supposed to help people believe in the afterlife, 339 00:22:52,359 --> 00:22:56,720 Speaker 1: I need you to speak really loud and then I 340 00:22:56,760 --> 00:22:59,879 Speaker 1: will say good night. So I left my recorder on 341 00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:03,840 Speaker 1: for just one minute, and I said good night, and 342 00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:07,720 Speaker 1: I turned it off. I listened to the one minute clip, 343 00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:13,879 Speaker 1: and around the second mark, I was filled with goose bumps. 344 00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:19,080 Speaker 1: I stopped. I replaced it. I heard it again, and 345 00:23:19,119 --> 00:23:23,720 Speaker 1: what's on the recorder is good night, Sandra, good night, 346 00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:28,440 Speaker 1: good night, good night. That's my best imitation of it. 347 00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:32,359 Speaker 1: I will try to include it here, but it might 348 00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:36,240 Speaker 1: not be easy to hear based on this possibly being 349 00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:41,399 Speaker 1: the first time you're listening, not having proper headphones, and 350 00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:45,000 Speaker 1: plus you're not getting it straight from my recorder. It's 351 00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:46,879 Speaker 1: going through a lot of things to get to you. 352 00:23:53,600 --> 00:24:02,439 Speaker 1: Let me play it again. If you didn't hear it, 353 00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:07,280 Speaker 1: you're not alone. It takes someone many times looping the 354 00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:11,840 Speaker 1: same audio over and over and over again and really 355 00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:15,520 Speaker 1: trying to pay attention for something other than those background 356 00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:18,800 Speaker 1: sounds for the whispers. I went to bed that night 357 00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:22,880 Speaker 1: not being too comforted by the afterlife, but rather being 358 00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:26,560 Speaker 1: a little freaked out because it was the first time 359 00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:30,640 Speaker 1: that I actually felt not only is the afterlife real, 360 00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:35,520 Speaker 1: but these people were around me at that moment. So 361 00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:39,560 Speaker 1: I started feeling do I never have any privacy? And 362 00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:42,000 Speaker 1: even looking out into my room, I'm thinking, is it 363 00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:45,440 Speaker 1: packed with dead people? You know this? It wasn't very comforting. 364 00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:48,320 Speaker 1: I went to bed that night, woke up the next morning, 365 00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:52,040 Speaker 1: went into class with my recording, and played it for 366 00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:54,520 Speaker 1: the class. While I was the only person who got 367 00:24:54,520 --> 00:24:57,600 Speaker 1: an audio that was loud enough for everyone to hear, 368 00:24:58,359 --> 00:25:02,000 Speaker 1: the people in the class that we're deeply grieving got 369 00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:05,960 Speaker 1: comforted knowing than their loved ones must be around also, 370 00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:12,639 Speaker 1: so that began my quest into recording electronic voice phenomena. 371 00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:17,400 Speaker 1: I did it very secretly at first, and I would 372 00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:21,000 Speaker 1: share it with people that were closest to me, and 373 00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:24,320 Speaker 1: it rather freaked out some of the people, I must say, 374 00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:28,280 Speaker 1: but it was also very comforting, and in time I 375 00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:32,919 Speaker 1: started having more and more confidence to work with people. 376 00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:36,879 Speaker 1: I was at one conference and had met a gentleman 377 00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:40,120 Speaker 1: whose sister had taken her own life, and he said, 378 00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:42,879 Speaker 1: can we try to do one of these recordings? And 379 00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:45,720 Speaker 1: I didn't have rain drops available, so we actually went 380 00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:50,199 Speaker 1: into my hotel room, turned the shower on for background noise, 381 00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:54,280 Speaker 1: and working with this young man, Billy was his name. 382 00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:59,120 Speaker 1: Here's what happened. When we played back the audio. There 383 00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:01,440 Speaker 1: are lots of things I could hear that he couldn't, 384 00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:05,359 Speaker 1: but we could hear. I love you, Billy, And in 385 00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:08,400 Speaker 1: my mind's eye, I got this picture of a young 386 00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:13,520 Speaker 1: gal who had pigtails and big smile and a gap 387 00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:15,879 Speaker 1: between her two front teeth. And when I explained that 388 00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:19,280 Speaker 1: to him, he said, that's what a sister looked like. Also, 389 00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:24,680 Speaker 1: I heard remember the game we used to play, Remember Clue. 390 00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:27,720 Speaker 1: He couldn't hear that, but when I said it to him. 391 00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:30,320 Speaker 1: He says, that's the game she and I used to 392 00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:35,320 Speaker 1: play was clue. That's one example of what hearing electronic 393 00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:38,639 Speaker 1: voice phenomena and e v P will do for a person. 394 00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:41,800 Speaker 1: There's another story that I have that I was on 395 00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:46,480 Speaker 1: a shuttle bus between a hotel and a San Francisco 396 00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:49,679 Speaker 1: airport and the lady who was sitting next to me 397 00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:53,840 Speaker 1: her mother had died in Hurricane Katrina. It was very, 398 00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:56,880 Speaker 1: very sad. She hadn't been able to see her own 399 00:26:56,920 --> 00:27:00,720 Speaker 1: mother in a couple of years. Her siblings had forbid 400 00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:04,520 Speaker 1: her to see her because of her lifestyle. She was 401 00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:08,159 Speaker 1: a lesbian, and it broke her heart that she couldn't 402 00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:11,040 Speaker 1: see her own mother for a couple of years and 403 00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:14,359 Speaker 1: then she passes. So I told her about the electronic 404 00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:17,159 Speaker 1: voice phenomena and she said, can we try to do 405 00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:20,919 Speaker 1: a recording? So get this. We are in the airport 406 00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:25,560 Speaker 1: in San Francisco, having no idea if this would even 407 00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:29,200 Speaker 1: work because the background sound is the background of people talking, 408 00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:31,159 Speaker 1: So I thought, how are we going to hear a 409 00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:34,720 Speaker 1: voice in that? But it was worth doing. So her 410 00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:37,320 Speaker 1: flight left just before mine did, so we went to 411 00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:41,639 Speaker 1: her gait and very quietly tried to say our loving prayer, 412 00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:45,440 Speaker 1: and then we just let it record. The woman's name 413 00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:48,159 Speaker 1: was D and that's what I knew her as, And 414 00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:51,400 Speaker 1: when we played back the recording, it was as if 415 00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:55,479 Speaker 1: someone put their mouth really close to the recording and 416 00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:59,199 Speaker 1: we heard I Love you Elizabeth, and this woman started 417 00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:03,000 Speaker 1: to cry. Everyone called her D except for her mother, 418 00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:08,000 Speaker 1: who called her by her real name, Elizabeth. I'll be 419 00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:09,560 Speaker 1: back in just a minute and we'll give you some 420 00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:14,119 Speaker 1: history of electronic voice phenomena. You're listening to Shades of 421 00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:17,199 Speaker 1: the Afterlife on the I Heart Radio and Coast to 422 00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:24,080 Speaker 1: Coast a m paranormal podcast network. Don't go anywhere. 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That's Coast to Coast AM dot com. 444 00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:42,760 Speaker 1: Hey everybody, it's producer Tom and you're listening to Shades 445 00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:45,440 Speaker 1: of the Afterlife with Sander Champlain on the new I 446 00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:49,080 Speaker 1: Heart Media and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal podcast Network. 447 00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:50,960 Speaker 1: And don't forget you can listen to Shades of the 448 00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:53,880 Speaker 1: Afterlife on the I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or 449 00:29:53,920 --> 00:30:11,640 Speaker 1: wherever you find your favorite shows. Welcome back to Shades 450 00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:15,840 Speaker 1: of the Afterlife. I'm Sanders Champlain. When did people start 451 00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:20,000 Speaker 1: getting interested in recording voices from beyond well? I don't 452 00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:23,160 Speaker 1: know the exact answer, but I do know our dear friend, 453 00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:29,760 Speaker 1: inventor Thomas Edison was responsible for so much, including the 454 00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:36,720 Speaker 1: first phonograph. The word psychophone was suggested and used around 455 00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:40,360 Speaker 1: that time, and it is said that Edison himself was 456 00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:44,840 Speaker 1: creating some kind of a device to collect sounds and 457 00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:48,520 Speaker 1: voices from the beyond after the death of his mother. 458 00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:52,680 Speaker 1: In October nine twenty there was an issue of American 459 00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:58,600 Speaker 1: Magazine that contained an article by the author Bertie Charles Forbes, 460 00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:03,240 Speaker 1: who ended up found Forbes Magazine, and in this he 461 00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:08,960 Speaker 1: interviewed Thomas Edison, and Thomas said, if our personality survives, 462 00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:12,800 Speaker 1: then it is strictly logical and scientific to assume that 463 00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:17,200 Speaker 1: it retains memory, intellect, and other faculties and knowledge that 464 00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:21,160 Speaker 1: we acquire on Earth. I am inclined to believe that 465 00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:26,120 Speaker 1: our personality hereafter will be able to affect matter. If 466 00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:29,360 Speaker 1: this reasoning is correct, then if we can evolve an 467 00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:34,160 Speaker 1: instrument so delicate as to be able to be affected, moved, 468 00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:38,360 Speaker 1: or manipulated by our personality as it survives in the 469 00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:42,200 Speaker 1: next life, such an instrument, when made available, ought to 470 00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:47,320 Speaker 1: record something. And then in nineteen twenty one he continues 471 00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:51,320 Speaker 1: on in another interview and says he does claim it 472 00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:54,920 Speaker 1: is possible to construct an apparatus which will be so 473 00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:59,040 Speaker 1: delicate that if there were personalities in another existence who 474 00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:02,440 Speaker 1: wished to get entire with us, this apparatus will at 475 00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:07,120 Speaker 1: least give them a better opportunity. Fast forward five years 476 00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:12,920 Speaker 1: into nineteen twenty six and Thomas Edison comes back claiming 477 00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:15,800 Speaker 1: it was all a hoax. He said, I really had 478 00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:19,000 Speaker 1: nothing to tell Forbes, but I hated to disappoint him, 479 00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:22,720 Speaker 1: so I thought up this story about communicating with spirits, 480 00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:25,760 Speaker 1: but it was all a joke. Seems very interesting that 481 00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:30,360 Speaker 1: he would do to magazine articles pro the psycho phone 482 00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:33,680 Speaker 1: and then come back saying it was all a hoax. 483 00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:36,160 Speaker 1: Many of us who have been on this path of 484 00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:40,840 Speaker 1: exploring the afterlife at some point we get ridiculed by people, 485 00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:44,080 Speaker 1: and in order to save face, it would be very 486 00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:47,080 Speaker 1: easy to say it was just a hoax. So we'll 487 00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:49,360 Speaker 1: leave that up to you what you think about, Mr 488 00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:54,520 Speaker 1: Thomas Edison. In nineteen twenty two, Charlie Brood wrote an 489 00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:58,120 Speaker 1: article for the Society of Psychical Research, and it was 490 00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:01,680 Speaker 1: about something called a dictaphone that could be used to 491 00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:05,520 Speaker 1: communicate between a medium and the dead, and it would 492 00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:10,200 Speaker 1: prove useful in identifying the voices from the hereafter. Then, 493 00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:14,040 Speaker 1: in nineteen forty one, we know of American photographer Attila 494 00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:18,480 Speaker 1: von Sally who attempted to record ghost voices later to 495 00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:21,320 Speaker 1: become known as e v P on a seventy eight 496 00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:25,560 Speaker 1: rpm recording system. He would later advance to real to 497 00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:29,760 Speaker 1: real recording in nineteen fifty six, building his own modified 498 00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:36,320 Speaker 1: recording apparatus. In nineteen forty nine, Italian Marcello Bocci started 499 00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:41,440 Speaker 1: attempting to communicate with the dead using a vacuum tube radio, 500 00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:45,000 Speaker 1: which was the radio of that era, and people would 501 00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:48,480 Speaker 1: come to his house to talk to their departed relatives. 502 00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:51,920 Speaker 1: If you search on YouTube, you can find a documentary 503 00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:57,200 Speaker 1: about Bacci, who spent most of his life doing these recordings. 504 00:33:57,480 --> 00:34:00,160 Speaker 1: And sometimes they would even take out the inner workings 505 00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:03,960 Speaker 1: of the radio. It would be unplugged and these voices 506 00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:07,640 Speaker 1: would still come through in live time for people to 507 00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:12,040 Speaker 1: hear voices of their loved ones. In nineteen fifty nine, 508 00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:17,680 Speaker 1: the first person to become formally credited with recording electronic 509 00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:22,320 Speaker 1: voice phenomena was Friedrich Jurgensen. He was a Swedish film 510 00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:25,879 Speaker 1: producer who was out to record bird songs, and when 511 00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:29,640 Speaker 1: he played them back, found he captured human voices, which 512 00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:34,279 Speaker 1: he believed were communications from the dead. Now surprising to 513 00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:38,239 Speaker 1: learn that, also in the nineteen fifties were two Italian 514 00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:43,720 Speaker 1: Catholic priests, Father Ernettie and Father Jammelli, who came upon 515 00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:47,719 Speaker 1: the phenomena of collecting these voices when they were recording 516 00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:52,000 Speaker 1: Gregorian chants. When listening to some of their recordings, Jammelli 517 00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:56,040 Speaker 1: heard what he identified as his father's voice speaking on 518 00:34:56,080 --> 00:35:00,640 Speaker 1: the recording, calling Zucchini, is it clear? Don't you know 519 00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:06,120 Speaker 1: it is? I? Zucchini was Jamli's boyhood nickname. These two 520 00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:11,120 Speaker 1: priests were so confused and concerned about this supposed contact 521 00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:13,279 Speaker 1: with the deceased that they actually brought it to the 522 00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:18,000 Speaker 1: attention of Pope Pious the twelfth. Pope Pious said, dear 523 00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:21,480 Speaker 1: father Jamelli, you really do not need to worry about this. 524 00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:25,920 Speaker 1: The existence of this voice is strictly a scientific fact. 525 00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:30,680 Speaker 1: The recorder is totally objective. It receives and records only 526 00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:35,320 Speaker 1: sound waves from wherever they come. This experiment may perhaps 527 00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:40,160 Speaker 1: become the cornerstone for a building for scientific studies which 528 00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:44,600 Speaker 1: will strengthen people's faith in the hereafter. In fact, I 529 00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:49,200 Speaker 1: just mentioned Friedrich Jurgenson. Pope Paul the Fifth was well 530 00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:52,279 Speaker 1: informed of the state of this e v P research 531 00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:56,799 Speaker 1: that he made Jurgenson a night Commander of the Order 532 00:35:56,840 --> 00:36:00,800 Speaker 1: of St. Gregory to honor his contributions, and later the 533 00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:04,440 Speaker 1: Vatican extended permission for its own priests to conduct e 534 00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:08,760 Speaker 1: VP research. In fact, Father Pistone, who was a senior 535 00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:13,000 Speaker 1: member of the Catholic hierarchy, said, I do not see 536 00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:16,360 Speaker 1: anything against the teaching of the Catholic Church and the voices. 537 00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:20,120 Speaker 1: There's something extraordinary, but there is no reason to fear them, 538 00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:25,200 Speaker 1: nor can I see any danger. According to the modern Catechism, 539 00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:28,640 Speaker 1: God allows our dearly departed persons who live in an 540 00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:33,040 Speaker 1: ultra terrestrial dimension to send message to guide us in 541 00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:36,640 Speaker 1: certain difficult moments in our life. The Church has decided 542 00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:40,080 Speaker 1: not to forbid any more of the dialogue with the deceased, 543 00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:43,359 Speaker 1: with the condition that these contacts are carried out with 544 00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:48,680 Speaker 1: serious religious and scientific purpose. So the Catholic Church knows 545 00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:54,719 Speaker 1: all about e vps. In nineteen sixty Dr Constantine Rodova, 546 00:36:55,080 --> 00:36:59,319 Speaker 1: who is a Latvian psychologist, heard of Jurgenson's recordings and 547 00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:03,160 Speaker 1: decided to try his own experiments. He found his success 548 00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:06,480 Speaker 1: when he believed he had recorded his deceased mother's voice. 549 00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:08,840 Speaker 1: Of course, he went on to doing lots and lots 550 00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:14,440 Speaker 1: of electronic voice phenomena work. William O'Neill in eighty constructed 551 00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:18,560 Speaker 1: an electronic audio device and he called it the Spirit Calm. 552 00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:21,879 Speaker 1: He claimed the device was built to the specifications which 553 00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:26,239 Speaker 1: he received psychically from George Mueller, a scientist who had 554 00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:30,560 Speaker 1: died six years previously. Now who I am most familiar 555 00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:35,680 Speaker 1: with is Sarah E. Step In two she founded the 556 00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:41,239 Speaker 1: American Association of Electronic Voice Phenomena and it is now 557 00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:46,000 Speaker 1: called the a trans c dot Org and was taken 558 00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:51,480 Speaker 1: over by Tom and Lisa Butler. Sarah had recorded thousands 559 00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:55,960 Speaker 1: of electronic voice phenomena messages. Many of us researched the 560 00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:58,960 Speaker 1: afterlife because we either have a fear of dying or 561 00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:02,480 Speaker 1: we have a loved one who has passed away. Sarah 562 00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:05,640 Speaker 1: was first impacted by death at the age of seven, 563 00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:08,920 Speaker 1: with the death of her grandmother. A couple of times 564 00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:13,080 Speaker 1: a year, Sarah's family would visit her grandparents, who lived 565 00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:15,640 Speaker 1: in a funeral home, and when no one was looking. 566 00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:18,560 Speaker 1: She would sneak down and look at the bodies, and 567 00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:22,640 Speaker 1: this whole interaction with death had her start thinking that 568 00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:26,440 Speaker 1: there must be a bigger picture. In ninety six, she 569 00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:31,440 Speaker 1: came across the Handbook of PSI Discoveries by Sheila Ostrander 570 00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:35,800 Speaker 1: and Lynn Schroeder, and this book contained two chapters about 571 00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:40,440 Speaker 1: e v P and the works of researchers Constantine Rotiva 572 00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:44,000 Speaker 1: and Friedrich Jurgensen. It was then that Sarah felt that 573 00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:47,279 Speaker 1: e v P could be the most tangible evidence for 574 00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:51,120 Speaker 1: survival and decided to conduct her own experiments to see 575 00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:54,760 Speaker 1: if it was true. She used her husband's old real 576 00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:58,600 Speaker 1: to real tape recorder and committed to try to record 577 00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:01,799 Speaker 1: for at least a week. Every session, she asked the 578 00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:06,040 Speaker 1: same question is anybody there? But after five days she 579 00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:09,040 Speaker 1: did not have an answer out of boredom. On the 580 00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:12,000 Speaker 1: sixth day, she tried to ask a different question, what 581 00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:14,520 Speaker 1: is your world like? She said, and it was a 582 00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:18,080 Speaker 1: response to that question that she heard a clear voice 583 00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:23,320 Speaker 1: with the answer the one word beauty. In two Sarah 584 00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:28,080 Speaker 1: founded the American Association of Electronic Voice Phenomena and began 585 00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:33,680 Speaker 1: a quarterly newsletter. Membership grew to several hundred people in 586 00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:38,160 Speaker 1: twenty seven states and then into many different countries. There 587 00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:41,080 Speaker 1: was no Internet that time, so Sarah was the glue 588 00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:44,560 Speaker 1: that allowed researchers to gain knowledge about the work that 589 00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:48,400 Speaker 1: the others were doing. Sarah held national conferences on e 590 00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:51,760 Speaker 1: v P and helped tons of people around the world 591 00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:55,600 Speaker 1: with how to record these voices. For eighteen years she 592 00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:58,360 Speaker 1: led the a e v P and then in the 593 00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:01,680 Speaker 1: year two thousand she just aided to retire and asked 594 00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:05,200 Speaker 1: Tom and Lisa Butler to take over. Sarah passed into 595 00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:08,400 Speaker 1: the spirit world in two thousand and eight, but she 596 00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:11,880 Speaker 1: had left in capable hands of Tom and Lisa the 597 00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:15,920 Speaker 1: a v P, which the name eventually got changed to 598 00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:20,799 Speaker 1: a trans c dot org. And that's the association for 599 00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:24,719 Speaker 1: trans communication. So it's not just audios that come in 600 00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:27,920 Speaker 1: and e v P s. It is I t c S, 601 00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:32,839 Speaker 1: which is instrumental trans communication. This is taking pictures and 602 00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:36,680 Speaker 1: having pictures and videos come through of the afterlife. And 603 00:40:36,719 --> 00:40:39,600 Speaker 1: I really recommend that you join the a trans c 604 00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:43,160 Speaker 1: dot Org. Tons of free things on their website, including 605 00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:49,040 Speaker 1: bunch of sound clips, best practices, techniques, all kinds of theory, 606 00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:52,600 Speaker 1: and all kinds of great information and they do have 607 00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:57,400 Speaker 1: several books they recommend, great site and more into e 608 00:40:57,560 --> 00:41:00,000 Speaker 1: v P is the work of Sonya and Aldi, who 609 00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:04,200 Speaker 1: we interviewed on episode one, who not only has recorded 610 00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:08,640 Speaker 1: thirty years worth of voices mainly from children talking to 611 00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:12,440 Speaker 1: their parents from the afterlife, but she is now working 612 00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:16,680 Speaker 1: with video and getting pictures of people in the afterlife. 613 00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:22,839 Speaker 1: Absolutely extraordinary. I also recommend Sherry Pearl. You can find 614 00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:25,640 Speaker 1: out more about her at Sherry Pearl dot com, which 615 00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:29,120 Speaker 1: is s h e r I P e r l 616 00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:32,520 Speaker 1: dot com. You can look up Sherry Pearl e v 617 00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:37,040 Speaker 1: P on YouTube and she teaches how to do electronic 618 00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:41,239 Speaker 1: voice phenomena. So what about you? Are you finding this 619 00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:45,320 Speaker 1: conversation interesting? Are you thinking e v P is something 620 00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:49,000 Speaker 1: I might want to try to record? Well, one bit 621 00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:53,960 Speaker 1: of warning, it's commitment and it is practice. If you 622 00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:56,560 Speaker 1: were to imagine being on the other side and being 623 00:41:56,600 --> 00:42:00,640 Speaker 1: a scientist that's helping loved ones communicate, who are you 624 00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:03,839 Speaker 1: going to work with somebody who just tries it once 625 00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:05,920 Speaker 1: and says this isn't gonna work. I'm never going to 626 00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:09,680 Speaker 1: try this again. Or someone who makes a commitment and 627 00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:13,480 Speaker 1: practices many times a week or sets it in their 628 00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:17,200 Speaker 1: calendar to practice a good question. Will be back in 629 00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:21,000 Speaker 1: just a minute with how to record e vps. You're 630 00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:24,120 Speaker 1: listening to Shades of the Afterlife on the I Heart 631 00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:38,399 Speaker 1: Radio and Coast Coast a M paranormal podcast network. 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Don't 659 00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:29,840 Speaker 1: forget you can listen to Shades of the Afterlife on 660 00:44:29,880 --> 00:44:33,160 Speaker 1: the I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you 661 00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:52,680 Speaker 1: find your favorite shows. Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. 662 00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:55,800 Speaker 1: I'm Sanders Champlain and we're talking about e v p 663 00:44:56,040 --> 00:44:59,520 Speaker 1: s electronic voice phenomena. What I want to do with 664 00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:02,080 Speaker 1: this segment of the show is talk a little bit 665 00:45:02,120 --> 00:45:06,400 Speaker 1: about how to record them, because it sounds good that 666 00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:09,440 Speaker 1: we can practice doing this, but what are the steps 667 00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:13,000 Speaker 1: to do it? So there's six basic things you need 668 00:45:13,040 --> 00:45:17,439 Speaker 1: to get started. One, you need a recording device. Two 669 00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:21,719 Speaker 1: you need a good set of headphones. Three you need 670 00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:26,480 Speaker 1: a computer. Four you need some kind of sound source, 671 00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:30,040 Speaker 1: whether you're recording the sound of rain drops or the 672 00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:35,120 Speaker 1: shower running, or there are things that produce what's called gibberish, 673 00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:38,839 Speaker 1: the chopped up sounds. And the two last things are 674 00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:42,160 Speaker 1: the ones that want to cover first patience and commitment. 675 00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:45,359 Speaker 1: And while this might seem funny that I bring these up, 676 00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:49,160 Speaker 1: they are two of the most important things. If you 677 00:45:49,160 --> 00:45:51,760 Speaker 1: can imagine, there is a team on the other side, 678 00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:54,560 Speaker 1: a team of scientists and people that know how to 679 00:45:54,640 --> 00:45:58,239 Speaker 1: do this, and there's your loved ones, and all of 680 00:45:58,280 --> 00:46:01,919 Speaker 1: a sudden, they get word that someone on planet Earth 681 00:46:02,040 --> 00:46:04,520 Speaker 1: is trying to get in touch with them through electronic 682 00:46:04,600 --> 00:46:07,920 Speaker 1: voice phenomena. So just imagine, on your side, you get 683 00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:11,200 Speaker 1: your headphones, you get your recording device, you've got your computer, 684 00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:16,600 Speaker 1: you've got your sound source, and you record for a 685 00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:20,560 Speaker 1: couple of minutes the sound of a fan blowing. Then 686 00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:24,520 Speaker 1: you listen to it and you hear only the fan blowing. 687 00:46:25,239 --> 00:46:28,800 Speaker 1: Now meanwhile, behind the scenes, imagine, and I'm being a 688 00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:32,120 Speaker 1: little funny on this, the team of scientists are there, 689 00:46:32,360 --> 00:46:35,080 Speaker 1: Your loved one is there. They are ready, they're going 690 00:46:35,160 --> 00:46:38,920 Speaker 1: to give it a shot. Your loved one does everything 691 00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:42,000 Speaker 1: they can do to give a nice lout I love you, 692 00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:46,520 Speaker 1: and you play the recording back and all you hear 693 00:46:46,719 --> 00:46:49,359 Speaker 1: is the sound of the fan. So maybe you give 694 00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:52,279 Speaker 1: it another go, and you record and they're on the 695 00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:54,719 Speaker 1: other side and your loved one is doing their very 696 00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:58,240 Speaker 1: best to scream I love you. You play it back 697 00:46:58,640 --> 00:47:01,200 Speaker 1: and there you go, just the sound of the fan. 698 00:47:01,840 --> 00:47:03,920 Speaker 1: So you say, well, maybe I'll do it another time, 699 00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:06,440 Speaker 1: and maybe you try it a week later, and then 700 00:47:06,480 --> 00:47:10,200 Speaker 1: maybe you just forget about it. On the other side, 701 00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:15,560 Speaker 1: that is not counted as someone who is committed to 702 00:47:15,719 --> 00:47:18,879 Speaker 1: doing this. You have to. I don't want to tell 703 00:47:18,920 --> 00:47:21,600 Speaker 1: you you have to do anything, but you will find 704 00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:24,440 Speaker 1: out someday that the afterlife is very very real and 705 00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:28,080 Speaker 1: that we are still real people living real lives. And 706 00:47:28,120 --> 00:47:31,040 Speaker 1: so you wouldn't make an appointment with someone here in 707 00:47:31,120 --> 00:47:35,000 Speaker 1: this life and then not keep it. So have that commitment. 708 00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:37,600 Speaker 1: Talk to your loved one as if they're right there 709 00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:41,800 Speaker 1: because they are. Come up with a schedule. Be patient 710 00:47:41,880 --> 00:47:45,960 Speaker 1: with yourself, be patient with them, because there's no easy 711 00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:49,440 Speaker 1: way of learning this. I don't think on either side 712 00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:53,680 Speaker 1: They need to practice whatever they do energetically, putting their 713 00:47:53,719 --> 00:47:58,040 Speaker 1: thoughts into the recording device that you have. And it's 714 00:47:58,200 --> 00:48:01,400 Speaker 1: really bizarre that they can to a sound that's already 715 00:48:01,440 --> 00:48:07,120 Speaker 1: inside of a recorder and manipulated into words. So that 716 00:48:07,200 --> 00:48:10,400 Speaker 1: part is the hard part. I think our part is 717 00:48:10,440 --> 00:48:14,800 Speaker 1: the easy part, holding out a tape recorder and recording something. 718 00:48:15,160 --> 00:48:17,399 Speaker 1: But we need to have that commitment, and you need 719 00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:20,320 Speaker 1: to have the trust that in a matter of time 720 00:48:20,560 --> 00:48:24,920 Speaker 1: you will be someone who can differentiate a I Love 721 00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:29,759 Speaker 1: you with the background noise of rain drops or a 722 00:48:29,800 --> 00:48:34,480 Speaker 1: fan blowing something like that. So have that commitment, have 723 00:48:34,760 --> 00:48:40,399 Speaker 1: that dedication. This is real stuff, and be patient, very 724 00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:44,360 Speaker 1: important to be patient. The people that are doing the 725 00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:47,960 Speaker 1: biggest things with electronic voice phenomena are the people that 726 00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:51,920 Speaker 1: are very very committed. Very often they are helping others, 727 00:48:52,080 --> 00:48:55,160 Speaker 1: very often they're sharing this publicly. And not that you 728 00:48:55,200 --> 00:48:58,360 Speaker 1: have to, you certainly don't. But when you have that commitment, 729 00:48:58,760 --> 00:49:01,160 Speaker 1: the other side will know you are committed and they 730 00:49:01,160 --> 00:49:04,919 Speaker 1: will be there working with you. We had a conversation 731 00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:08,600 Speaker 1: with Sonya and Aldi not too long ago. She did 732 00:49:08,680 --> 00:49:13,480 Speaker 1: a demonstration about her latest work, capturing pictures and audios 733 00:49:13,600 --> 00:49:16,080 Speaker 1: from the other side. And of course she's been doing 734 00:49:16,120 --> 00:49:20,920 Speaker 1: this for over thirty years with so many unbelievably clear, 735 00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:25,319 Speaker 1: loud voices, and she says from the scientists on the 736 00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:29,000 Speaker 1: other side, they really do need to see a commitment. Now, 737 00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:32,239 Speaker 1: when I say she talks and works with scientists on 738 00:49:32,280 --> 00:49:35,279 Speaker 1: the other side, you heard me mention some names of 739 00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:40,120 Speaker 1: scientists and priests that have been involved. Not only has 740 00:49:40,360 --> 00:49:45,400 Speaker 1: Sonya recorded voices from them with them telling her their names, 741 00:49:45,840 --> 00:49:50,120 Speaker 1: but she has pictures of them taken from the other side. 742 00:49:50,440 --> 00:49:54,520 Speaker 1: Even Nicola Tesla, the great inventor, he is working on 743 00:49:54,560 --> 00:49:58,160 Speaker 1: this behind the scenes, so she has his voice, she 744 00:49:58,280 --> 00:50:01,560 Speaker 1: has his picture, and it's an incredible He has never 745 00:50:01,760 --> 00:50:04,720 Speaker 1: taken a picture while he was alive with a smile. 746 00:50:05,080 --> 00:50:09,960 Speaker 1: And the pictures that come through using her instrumental trans communication, 747 00:50:10,239 --> 00:50:13,719 Speaker 1: they have smiles. I think that's pretty neat. So where 748 00:50:13,719 --> 00:50:19,359 Speaker 1: do we begin your recording equipment? Some people use the 749 00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:22,680 Speaker 1: old style tape recorder, you know, the ones we put 750 00:50:22,680 --> 00:50:24,719 Speaker 1: a cassette in. I don't even know if you can 751 00:50:24,800 --> 00:50:29,360 Speaker 1: find those anymore. For myself, I use a digital recorder. 752 00:50:29,840 --> 00:50:34,440 Speaker 1: Some call them voice memos. They take a couple of 753 00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:37,600 Speaker 1: batteries you hold it to your mouth. There's a place 754 00:50:37,800 --> 00:50:42,240 Speaker 1: you can press play, you can press record. Usually it's 755 00:50:42,280 --> 00:50:45,520 Speaker 1: got a USB plug that sticks out of it and 756 00:50:45,560 --> 00:50:49,319 Speaker 1: will plug into your computer. For me and my experience, 757 00:50:49,400 --> 00:50:52,719 Speaker 1: I found that those were best to use. You don't 758 00:50:52,760 --> 00:50:55,040 Speaker 1: need to buy a state of the art one. You 759 00:50:55,120 --> 00:50:57,840 Speaker 1: don't need to spend a lot of money. In fact, 760 00:50:58,000 --> 00:51:02,080 Speaker 1: some of the older ones that have poorer quality of 761 00:51:02,600 --> 00:51:07,000 Speaker 1: clarity can sometimes produce the best e vps because that 762 00:51:07,120 --> 00:51:09,920 Speaker 1: static in the background is something that they use to 763 00:51:10,400 --> 00:51:15,600 Speaker 1: manipulate for the voices. Some people I know have used 764 00:51:15,800 --> 00:51:20,479 Speaker 1: their smartphones and their tablets, but I don't know very 765 00:51:20,719 --> 00:51:24,120 Speaker 1: many people who have had luck doing this. I think 766 00:51:24,200 --> 00:51:27,960 Speaker 1: with our technology that we have right now, our phones 767 00:51:28,120 --> 00:51:31,600 Speaker 1: are so good at picking up exactly what it hears 768 00:51:31,960 --> 00:51:35,839 Speaker 1: that there may not be too much room for manipulation 769 00:51:35,920 --> 00:51:39,360 Speaker 1: of the sound. That's only my guess, but more people 770 00:51:39,400 --> 00:51:44,320 Speaker 1: have had good luck with recording using a standard digital 771 00:51:44,560 --> 00:51:48,480 Speaker 1: tape recorder. And speaking of luck, back to commitment and patients, 772 00:51:48,840 --> 00:51:51,920 Speaker 1: the harder you work, the luckier you get. That is 773 00:51:51,960 --> 00:51:55,279 Speaker 1: something my dad always said. Those people that appear to 774 00:51:55,320 --> 00:51:58,720 Speaker 1: have so much luck doing anything are usually the ones 775 00:51:58,920 --> 00:52:02,120 Speaker 1: behind the scenes that have the commitment to doing it. 776 00:52:02,560 --> 00:52:06,520 Speaker 1: Some people use their computers and record from their computer, 777 00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:11,040 Speaker 1: but again, like the cell phone, more people do get 778 00:52:11,360 --> 00:52:15,400 Speaker 1: voices using something like a digital tape recorder. For a 779 00:52:15,560 --> 00:52:20,480 Speaker 1: background sound source, well, you need to record something, so 780 00:52:20,560 --> 00:52:24,560 Speaker 1: you heard I was recording the sound of being inside 781 00:52:24,560 --> 00:52:27,879 Speaker 1: of an airport. I wouldn't recommend that because there are 782 00:52:28,040 --> 00:52:31,640 Speaker 1: real words that are spoken, and you can record one 783 00:52:31,640 --> 00:52:34,279 Speaker 1: of those and think, oh, there's a message there, and 784 00:52:34,320 --> 00:52:36,759 Speaker 1: then you say, oh, what is it? Come to Gate three? 785 00:52:36,840 --> 00:52:39,439 Speaker 1: Your flight is about to leave? You know, something like that. 786 00:52:39,960 --> 00:52:44,560 Speaker 1: So not the best kind of background noise. There is 787 00:52:44,600 --> 00:52:49,000 Speaker 1: something called e vpmaker and it's a free download and 788 00:52:49,200 --> 00:52:51,920 Speaker 1: you can put any kind of sound and it will 789 00:52:52,080 --> 00:52:57,279 Speaker 1: rearrange sound into gibberish, into chopped up voices. I know 790 00:52:57,360 --> 00:53:00,719 Speaker 1: Sherry Pearl who I strongly recommend that you watch her 791 00:53:00,840 --> 00:53:06,520 Speaker 1: video on electronic voice phenomena. She uses gibberish and does 792 00:53:06,560 --> 00:53:10,920 Speaker 1: these recordings. She has shown that the different sound sources 793 00:53:10,960 --> 00:53:14,880 Speaker 1: that you use create different quality e v P. So 794 00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:17,480 Speaker 1: if you were to take the sound of water running, 795 00:53:17,840 --> 00:53:20,720 Speaker 1: where if you're taking the sound of a fan blowing, 796 00:53:21,200 --> 00:53:24,000 Speaker 1: the loved ones use those sounds to try to put 797 00:53:24,040 --> 00:53:27,840 Speaker 1: them into words, where if they already have human voice, 798 00:53:28,280 --> 00:53:31,879 Speaker 1: it's easier for them to rearrange that and to make 799 00:53:31,920 --> 00:53:34,799 Speaker 1: them into words. And that's also what Sonya Roaldi has 800 00:53:34,800 --> 00:53:38,719 Speaker 1: been doing for so many years. Both Sonya Ronaldi and 801 00:53:39,080 --> 00:53:43,799 Speaker 1: Sherry Pearl use the gibberish and they record right into 802 00:53:43,840 --> 00:53:48,080 Speaker 1: their computer. They don't use a digital recorder like I use. 803 00:53:48,560 --> 00:53:51,839 Speaker 1: And also the e v P maker only works if 804 00:53:51,880 --> 00:53:55,520 Speaker 1: you have Windows platform. It doesn't work on a Mac. 805 00:53:55,960 --> 00:53:58,760 Speaker 1: You don't need any kind of special computer. In fact, 806 00:53:59,080 --> 00:54:02,040 Speaker 1: some of the computer is that we do have already 807 00:54:02,040 --> 00:54:04,360 Speaker 1: have things built into them. I have a Mac and 808 00:54:04,400 --> 00:54:08,600 Speaker 1: there's something called garage Band, which is a sound editing program. 809 00:54:08,640 --> 00:54:13,560 Speaker 1: There is something free called Audacity. When you do these recordings, 810 00:54:13,600 --> 00:54:16,560 Speaker 1: you can record them with your digital recorder. You can 811 00:54:16,719 --> 00:54:20,720 Speaker 1: upload them into Audacity and from there you could highlight 812 00:54:20,760 --> 00:54:24,879 Speaker 1: different segments and loop them over and over again. So 813 00:54:25,160 --> 00:54:27,880 Speaker 1: you've got your recording device, you've got your digital recorder, 814 00:54:28,400 --> 00:54:31,560 Speaker 1: you've got your good headphones, you've got your computer, you've 815 00:54:31,600 --> 00:54:34,760 Speaker 1: got your sound source, like I said, the shower running 816 00:54:35,120 --> 00:54:38,799 Speaker 1: fan blowing noise from the e v P maker, And 817 00:54:38,920 --> 00:54:43,439 Speaker 1: most importantly, you have patients and commitment. Next is it's 818 00:54:43,480 --> 00:54:47,440 Speaker 1: time to record. I personally believe in the power of intention, 819 00:54:47,960 --> 00:54:50,480 Speaker 1: and I was trained that we need to have our 820 00:54:50,560 --> 00:54:54,440 Speaker 1: room charged with energy for the e vps to happen, 821 00:54:54,560 --> 00:54:57,319 Speaker 1: for our loved ones to be able to use our 822 00:54:57,520 --> 00:55:00,919 Speaker 1: energy to make these recordings. So I would always take 823 00:55:00,960 --> 00:55:04,560 Speaker 1: time and sit and close my eyes and visualize the 824 00:55:04,600 --> 00:55:09,719 Speaker 1: moonbeam coming into the space, or imagine a tornado of 825 00:55:09,840 --> 00:55:14,360 Speaker 1: energy just spinning and twirling and getting more power packed. 826 00:55:14,600 --> 00:55:16,440 Speaker 1: Or even if you want to imagine that there's a 827 00:55:16,520 --> 00:55:19,239 Speaker 1: plug connected to you and you plug it right into 828 00:55:19,280 --> 00:55:23,360 Speaker 1: an outlet and just have that intention to have power grow. 829 00:55:23,840 --> 00:55:27,600 Speaker 1: Talk to your loved ones and you can say hello, 830 00:55:28,200 --> 00:55:31,000 Speaker 1: is there anything you want to tell me? Things like that, 831 00:55:31,440 --> 00:55:35,080 Speaker 1: and just let your tape recorder record for just a 832 00:55:35,160 --> 00:55:39,360 Speaker 1: minute and then say thank you, good night, talk to 833 00:55:39,360 --> 00:55:42,400 Speaker 1: you soon, something like that. The next part can be 834 00:55:42,440 --> 00:55:47,160 Speaker 1: the difficult part. After you upload the minute into your computer, 835 00:55:47,960 --> 00:55:52,719 Speaker 1: you have to listen, and it's difficult because in just 836 00:55:52,880 --> 00:55:56,560 Speaker 1: a few seconds you could hear several words, you could 837 00:55:56,640 --> 00:56:00,160 Speaker 1: hear nothing at all. Your ears and your mind can 838 00:56:00,160 --> 00:56:03,000 Speaker 1: play tricks on you thinking that there are things that 839 00:56:03,040 --> 00:56:08,200 Speaker 1: are there that aren't. So my recommendation is just to listen. 840 00:56:08,719 --> 00:56:11,640 Speaker 1: Listen with the intent that there's some words on there. 841 00:56:11,920 --> 00:56:14,800 Speaker 1: And the more you listen, like I said, in time, 842 00:56:15,400 --> 00:56:20,160 Speaker 1: the sound the voices will start rising above the sound 843 00:56:20,239 --> 00:56:24,280 Speaker 1: of the background noise. It takes practice, it takes commitment. 844 00:56:24,719 --> 00:56:28,840 Speaker 1: I do recommend that you go to the a trans 845 00:56:29,400 --> 00:56:34,600 Speaker 1: ce dot org website, click on techniques and then basic 846 00:56:34,719 --> 00:56:38,200 Speaker 1: e v P recording technique and also check out their 847 00:56:38,200 --> 00:56:42,040 Speaker 1: books and then go to Sharry Pearl dot com s 848 00:56:42,280 --> 00:56:46,120 Speaker 1: h E R I P e r L dot com 849 00:56:46,400 --> 00:56:50,520 Speaker 1: or on YouTube Sharry Pearl e v P Good luck. 850 00:56:50,840 --> 00:56:54,319 Speaker 1: Don't give up. Remember your loved ones want this just 851 00:56:54,400 --> 00:56:57,200 Speaker 1: as much as you do, so they'll keep trying and 852 00:56:57,280 --> 00:57:01,000 Speaker 1: you keep trying. This is Sandra Shamplaining. 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