Speaker 1: M h. Welcome back to all the smoke out here
Speaker 1: in Vegas. Suddenly get the beautiful legends sweet here at
Speaker 1: the wind Hotel. We just had one good one. We
Speaker 1: got another good one another teammate, um Man, Welcome to
Speaker 1: the show, Jerry Stackhouse. Appreciate, appreciate that. Hell, they don't
Speaker 1: know about that. You know about the heel. Well, let's
Speaker 1: I mean, let's start the show when they talk about it,
Speaker 1: y'all talk about the Oak Hill. Well, it's funny that
Speaker 1: he's here, that were both here because the great Steve
Speaker 1: Steve Smith just retired. Um I was able to be
Speaker 1: at the retirement his retirement part and it was awesome,
Speaker 1: managic to see all the lives he affected. And UH
Speaker 1: for me to give me an opportunity to play basketball.
Speaker 1: Coming from where I came from, I didn't think I
Speaker 1: could reach that high to the high school. So I
Speaker 1: looked up to him. But you experienced it to and
Speaker 1: you probably in the top three, maybe top two, all
Speaker 1: time scorers of the school. I think, yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: four the season and we got we was getting after it. Man.
Speaker 1: Jeff McInnis was probably the main reason that I went
Speaker 1: to Oak Hill. You know, we played together that summer
Speaker 1: and he was just begging me this, like, yo, man,
Speaker 1: come on, we could be might aol to do the
Speaker 1: same thing. And then taking the high school we wind
Speaker 1: up both going to North Carolina. But yeah, it was
Speaker 1: you know, they were going to Hawaii going to Vegas.
Speaker 1: I was like, yo, man, that that's that sounds like
Speaker 1: a good trip in high school. So I made the
Speaker 1: made the trip my mom. We jumped up in the
Speaker 1: car and driving up to Oak Hill for the first time.
Speaker 1: Oh man, we came in on the back road to
Speaker 1: jack We didn't even come in on the first road,
Speaker 1: so it was like mountains Lewis gravel and the mountains
Speaker 1: and everything. But now it was it was a great
Speaker 1: experience for me, and you know, definitely shout out to
Speaker 1: to Steve Smith, one of one of the best to
Speaker 1: ever do it. For sure. What's the day to day
Speaker 1: life like for you? Now? Obviously I hear summer League,
Speaker 1: we'll get into coaching at Vandy, But what's what's your
Speaker 1: day to day these days? Like right now, I just
Speaker 1: came to spend some time with my guys. I got.
Speaker 1: You know, it's good to have a few guys that
Speaker 1: you coach this in in the summer League. Now, not
Speaker 1: only ones that I coached at Vanderbilt and Scotty, you know,
Speaker 1: Ernie Smith saving league, but a couple of kids that
Speaker 1: I coached back in grassroots when I had my Stackhouse
Speaker 1: and Lead and Romelo White's playing with Portland and my
Speaker 1: Cavers with Phoenix. So it's just good man to see,
Speaker 1: you know, things come full circle for where they all
Speaker 1: dreamed to be and for them to finally get that chance.
Speaker 1: I want to share it with him. So, Scotty, you
Speaker 1: had him in the last three years. He came out early,
Speaker 1: didn't get drafted, picked up by the Lakers. Summer league
Speaker 1: team has played solid in the summer. What have you
Speaker 1: seen from Scotty and how was he as as a
Speaker 1: player under your program? Yeah, he's been doing well. Man.
Speaker 1: He's a sponge. You know, He's gonna just get better
Speaker 1: and better. And it's great. He's gonna be around a
Speaker 1: lot of older guys, you know, betteran guys that know
Speaker 1: how to play. And I think he's gonna, you know,
Speaker 1: he's gonna kind of bring some energy, bring some life.
Speaker 1: I think that's what they need, you know. And I
Speaker 1: think that team is kind of happy for d Ham
Speaker 1: and you know, being able to get that gig. But
Speaker 1: they're gonna have to inject some a little bit of
Speaker 1: energy and then hopefully he can bring that to the table.
Speaker 1: He's you just had to work on his ball security.
Speaker 1: He can score the basketball, he knows how to play.
Speaker 1: He's I mean, he's a son. I mean, obviously I
Speaker 1: feel like our development was was really good for him.
Speaker 1: But hell, he's he's the son of a Hall of famer.
Speaker 1: You know, you know, never take that for granted that
Speaker 1: you know, he had a lot of those just understanding
Speaker 1: the knacks of how to play the game. Um before
Speaker 1: I ever saw you by, no stuff that you came by.
Speaker 1: And I think he's gonna he's gonna be really good.
Speaker 1: I'm excited for him. Talk about growing up in Kinston
Speaker 1: and see what they're like. Man, it was cool. I mean,
Speaker 1: I grew up the youngest of eight boys. Will skip
Speaker 1: my ass whooped, you know what I'm saying that. But
Speaker 1: it was fun, like my mamma over when my older brother,
Speaker 1: like probably my third oldest. You know, he just always
Speaker 1: made things competitive, you know, whether it was you know,
Speaker 1: getting out in the yard banging with me, and you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, let me win a little bit,
Speaker 1: and then he tightened up on you a little bit,
Speaker 1: you know, put you back in your place. But it
Speaker 1: was just you know, fun to watch it. I just
Speaker 1: had my family reunion this this past weekend over the
Speaker 1: July fourth, and he was still out there with the
Speaker 1: young kids, you know, saying, playing dodgeball, playing you know, volleyball, whatever, kickball, whatever,
Speaker 1: that's that's still his thing, man. And that's a lot
Speaker 1: of where I got my competitives from this, from just
Speaker 1: being able to wanting to compete against them, want to win,
Speaker 1: and then just you know, they were always come back.
Speaker 1: Because I'm older, it's a big gap between my brothers.
Speaker 1: Like my mom had me when she was forty five,
Speaker 1: so I was kind of like an athlet thought. So
Speaker 1: I had like older brothers, brothers I could go and
Speaker 1: you know, spend the night with away from and do
Speaker 1: some things that you know, probably couldn't do it at home,
Speaker 1: you know, with older bros. But now they definitely taught
Speaker 1: me the game of mom and dad. Like said, small town,
Speaker 1: and we got a lot a talent that come from
Speaker 1: from that small town. Sandric Maxwell, Brandon Ingram, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Just the Reggie Bullock, you know, name
Speaker 1: at the name that come out of that little town.
Speaker 1: Who was some of your influence people you looked up to.
Speaker 1: Man obviously m J. You know, being from North Carolina. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, just you know, had those comparisons coming out
Speaker 1: of high school. You know, in high school, I was
Speaker 1: six six. I really wasn't even a guard. I was
Speaker 1: a power forward, you know what I'm saying. And and
Speaker 1: I never really played shooting guard until I got to
Speaker 1: the NBA. I even played she was a center. I
Speaker 1: was a power forward on those North Carolina teams. But
Speaker 1: you know it's just you know, just watching them, seeing
Speaker 1: send those guys come through North Carolina. I mean I
Speaker 1: was a big a c C fan, wasn't necessarily a
Speaker 1: Carolina fan. At first. I watched all of the team.
Speaker 1: You know, I was Lanny Bias when he was at Maryland.
Speaker 1: I was on them when you know Charles shackerfor with
Speaker 1: that inn, he stayed, I like stayed with Johnny Dawkins
Speaker 1: and those guys that Duke. I like Duke. So I
Speaker 1: just kind love watching basketball. And then as I learned
Speaker 1: more about Dean Smith and um, you know the players
Speaker 1: that have come through that program, It's just hard for
Speaker 1: me to tell him no. You know when you see
Speaker 1: you know, Sam Perkins and uh m, j James Worthy
Speaker 1: and all those guys that have come through and learned
Speaker 1: to you know, learn how to play the game from
Speaker 1: from him and then go on and have that other success.
Speaker 1: And you know, like I said, those I really like,
Speaker 1: I wore like forty two because of James Worthy. That
Speaker 1: was like my favorite player when he was with the Lakers.
Speaker 1: You know, he wore fifty two in North Carolina. But man,
Speaker 1: just big game James with my guy. Do kids in
Speaker 1: North Carolina because I know, like growing up it takes
Speaker 1: a lot of your kids, Like I want to play
Speaker 1: for the Rockets when I grow up. Like is that
Speaker 1: like what kids say? I want to go play for
Speaker 1: North Carolina when I grew up. I want to be
Speaker 1: at Tall Hill. Well yeah, I mean they're blue blood.
Speaker 1: I mean it's like, you know, it's skin where we
Speaker 1: are and how we're recruiting. It's like you know when
Speaker 1: those when those teams, kids can love you and say
Speaker 1: how much they love you and they want to be
Speaker 1: there and they want the academics, and you know, and
Speaker 1: then one of those blue bloods come calling you know,
Speaker 1: and it's just changes it up a little bit, and
Speaker 1: but you know they've earned the right to do that.
Speaker 1: You know, when you had as many guys that have
Speaker 1: come through there, you know, you know, Vince car Like,
Speaker 1: so they ain't even you know, once you start those
Speaker 1: names and you started talking about the next tier with
Speaker 1: myself or she uh, Vince Antoine. You know, the list
Speaker 1: goes on and on, and you know of guys that
Speaker 1: have continued to come and represent that brand really really well.
Speaker 1: I love it. You know, I'm still a tar heel
Speaker 1: to the day I die. I love where I'm at.
Speaker 1: I love that Vanderbilt and go doors all day, anchor down.
Speaker 1: But you know I believe that blue for really. I'm
Speaker 1: North Carolina born bread. We got some imports, but that's
Speaker 1: where I come from, that soul, that's all. Yeah, Before
Speaker 1: you end up at Carolina, what was your recruiting process?
Speaker 1: Like crazy stories, fun stories? It look like you know,
Speaker 1: I had to I the bag offer to me and
Speaker 1: all that, but I was scared of it. Man. I
Speaker 1: knew for sure if I left North Carolina, all these
Speaker 1: schools around me in the A c. C. That you know,
Speaker 1: going out and doing something different, you know, everybody was
Speaker 1: promising everything. Coach FIfF was the only one that didn't
Speaker 1: really like, you know, you know, I want a lot
Speaker 1: of games and um, you know, and I like to
Speaker 1: win games, so I'm gonna play the guys to help
Speaker 1: me win. And then that was kind of his message
Speaker 1: to me. And they gravitated. You know, I really gravitate
Speaker 1: to that. You know. It's just that of somebody coming
Speaker 1: and say, you're gonna play forty minutes. You're gonna jump
Speaker 1: over all the guys that's been there, Like these guys
Speaker 1: are gonna do the same thing to me, to the
Speaker 1: next guy. And but he just kind of put it
Speaker 1: out there. You know, really I wanted to kind of
Speaker 1: bring the glory back to be honest, because they had
Speaker 1: one since like MJ had had left right to like
Speaker 1: in the eighties, like eighty two. So it's like, we
Speaker 1: want to come in Loyd behole. They win it the
Speaker 1: year right before I come in. But you know, I
Speaker 1: kept that commitment and whatnot. And then you know, actually
Speaker 1: she you know, Jay mc all those guys we were
Speaker 1: coming in and then we was going against those seniors
Speaker 1: they just wanted and we came in, you know how
Speaker 1: we came in swacked all the way out. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm saying a different, different, probably breed than what they
Speaker 1: have seen before, you know, kind of you know, brash,
Speaker 1: you know, a little bit just you know, to talk.
Speaker 1: You know, he did most of the talking for us,
Speaker 1: and you know, and then just from a talent standpoint,
Speaker 1: I think on what you know, she and I brought
Speaker 1: to the table was just different, you know, coming in
Speaker 1: and you know, we was trying to dunk everything. That's
Speaker 1: that's where it was. But we could shoot, we had
Speaker 1: a skill set, but for the most part we were
Speaker 1: trying to put you in that room and trying to
Speaker 1: protect him. Guinness is one of the best college point
Speaker 1: guards of all time. Yeah, yeah, I mean, I'm telling
Speaker 1: Noine still hadn't had anybody put that thing up there
Speaker 1: the way that he did on time on target. To
Speaker 1: talk about on time on target, Yeah, Jeff put that
Speaker 1: thing on time on target, man. And it was fun
Speaker 1: learning from from Coach Smith being able to win at
Speaker 1: a high level, you know, playing with that type of
Speaker 1: talent around us. You know, I wouldn't even I had
Speaker 1: no no thought process of leaving college. Even when I did,
Speaker 1: I didn't didn't know I was gonna leave at two again.
Speaker 1: Like I said, Michael Jordan was my role model. I
Speaker 1: felt like my blueprint was if anything was to leave
Speaker 1: after three years, you know. And then it was just
Speaker 1: like after my freshman years, like I was on the
Speaker 1: mock draft, like whoa, and then you know, my sophomore year,
Speaker 1: we have a great year, and um, you know, Coach
Speaker 1: Smith started calling around, and you know, I think Kevin
Speaker 1: McHale was at Minnesota at the time and they had
Speaker 1: the fifth pick, and he's like, if he's there at five,
Speaker 1: I'm taking him. Went out and worked out for the
Speaker 1: just only the four teams and four that I didn't
Speaker 1: even go to Minnesota. I just worked out with those
Speaker 1: four teams and Philadelphia snatched me up with the with
Speaker 1: the third pick in ninety five. Before we get there,
Speaker 1: we just had she and he was telling us about
Speaker 1: a summer going into your sophomore year where you and
Speaker 1: MJ was going at it. She said, what was she words?
Speaker 1: All I can say was it was going at it
Speaker 1: and yell. He said. He he said, you said, somebody
Speaker 1: didn't take school. It wasn't no school, no, no, it's
Speaker 1: going at it back and forth. Man. It was just
Speaker 1: like uh, just to see m J. Man, like, you know,
Speaker 1: coming coming coming to the gym, and he and everybody's
Speaker 1: been talked about it. And again, a lot of the
Speaker 1: hype that I had coming into North Carolina, where being
Speaker 1: six six ball head from North Carolina, from the eastern
Speaker 1: coast of North Carolina had had a lot of things
Speaker 1: that um I did in my state hadn't been done since,
Speaker 1: you know, since m J. So it was naturally have
Speaker 1: those comparisons. But it was more flattering for Meat than anything.
Speaker 1: But you know, I'm a competitor again, like I said,
Speaker 1: I I'm young. At said eight boys man, Michael Jordan
Speaker 1: just another brother to me that I'm trying to She said,
Speaker 1: I'm not doing it. I'm icing. I'm good, y'all. Go
Speaker 1: let Mike do that to y'all. She's only one stepped
Speaker 1: up to the plate, no doubt. I mean, I look
Speaker 1: forward to the opportunity. And man, I was nervous as hell,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. But you know, I got
Speaker 1: out there and then I said, once I got comfortable,
Speaker 1: like anything else, you know, I kind of got into
Speaker 1: my bag a little bit. Driving um you know, he
Speaker 1: was giving me the jump shot, you know, shoot and
Speaker 1: shoot it. You know what I'm saying. I could getting
Speaker 1: really shoot it like that at that time, and I'm
Speaker 1: still trying to trying to drive it around him and
Speaker 1: getting you know, getting there again, trying to use my
Speaker 1: strength because I was probably about two eighteen to twenty
Speaker 1: when I was playing it again. Like said, I was
Speaker 1: power forward and stuff. That was my mindset. But no,
Speaker 1: it was it was experienced. I never forget. I mean,
Speaker 1: over the years and different things, different situations, people try
Speaker 1: to paint a story of me against Michael Jordan, and
Speaker 1: that's definitely not the case. Man. I wouldn't be here
Speaker 1: sitting where I'm at the day without him, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Like I say, he say my ask
Speaker 1: more than one time, probably in the eighth for ninth grade,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. I was like, you know,
Speaker 1: I got an ear ring, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: went there and I come home, try to sit at
Speaker 1: the breakfast table sitting one the ear ring, and I
Speaker 1: finally to my mom like, boy, what you got in
Speaker 1: your ear? Then, you know, because you know I've come
Speaker 1: from a religious family, it wasn't about all that. And
Speaker 1: then um, I you know, called it for a day
Speaker 1: or so, and then I showed him a picture with
Speaker 1: Michael Jordan had ever ring on there and it was
Speaker 1: all cool. So it's like even with mom, whatever m
Speaker 1: J did, that was it. So No, it's just you know,
Speaker 1: over the course of you know, competing and playing against him, man,
Speaker 1: just you know, with those bulls teams, we all, you know,
Speaker 1: we wanted wanted to beat him, and then it kind
Speaker 1: of turned. Um he still hung around a long time
Speaker 1: that then, and we was able to play together. You know, No,
Speaker 1: even before that get a little payback. Before before I
Speaker 1: played with him in Washington, um so, but not in
Speaker 1: them to play with him in you know, in Washington.
Speaker 1: And just from my perspective, you know, at the time,
Speaker 1: I was ready to at the height in my prime.
Speaker 1: And but it's m J. M J still you know,
Speaker 1: in his mind the best in the world, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. And so we had a little bit
Speaker 1: of clash there, but now we were still great. I
Speaker 1: just saw him this past weekend in Nashville and the NASCAR.
Speaker 1: You know, you've got the you know, the car racing
Speaker 1: teams and all that time. So I went in and
Speaker 1: the Sweden kicked it with him a little bit. Man.
Speaker 1: He's you know, always whatever you need, young fellow. You know.
Speaker 1: So it's just good perception and maybe out there on
Speaker 1: the outside, you know, there's some some animosity between us
Speaker 1: that's just from being competitive and being you know, in
Speaker 1: that moment at the time and two thousand three when
Speaker 1: nobody seeing me at that time, because I said, you know,
Speaker 1: I said, you had some things happening. But but you know, Jackie,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get thirty. Get thirty, Okay, who go out
Speaker 1: of me before we get to the NBA back put
Speaker 1: a little bit your relationship with you know, the late
Speaker 1: great Dean Smith. What are some some of the things
Speaker 1: you took from the time you had the two years
Speaker 1: with him so much? Man, it was just like I
Speaker 1: didn't really realize, you know who I was, Like again,
Speaker 1: we was young, was dumb. He told me, like I was,
Speaker 1: like I was going to this office one and like, man,
Speaker 1: you know why ain't playing more? We're killing these guys
Speaker 1: in practice, you know what I'm saying. He told me, like,
Speaker 1: you and Brian Reesch need to try to be the
Speaker 1: best small forward in the country together. And I was like,
Speaker 1: you know, coach, I feel like I can be the
Speaker 1: best small forward in the country by myself. You know.
Speaker 1: So it's like it's crazy that I was sitting here
Speaker 1: having this uh this dialogue and I was like, I
Speaker 1: mean it was up and down that that that fresh year,
Speaker 1: you know, dealing with all of the lessons that he
Speaker 1: was trying to teach me. And I was like, man,
Speaker 1: I you know, I told my mom after one game,
Speaker 1: you know, during the midseason, I like, I don't know
Speaker 1: if this is a place for me, and you know,
Speaker 1: so so I get it with all these kids now
Speaker 1: it comes full circle. Um, but it's like, you know,
Speaker 1: she just that she hurt me out. She listened to
Speaker 1: my whole you know, whole spill about this and that other.
Speaker 1: What I'm doing in practice while I shouldn't be playing
Speaker 1: more him, I'm averaging twelve and eighteen minutes now, so
Speaker 1: you know, so I feel like I per minute, per
Speaker 1: minutes per minute, I'm leading the team. But you know,
Speaker 1: but she told me something man that resonated with me.
Speaker 1: Is just like, you know, if you start running now.
Speaker 1: She hurt me out, Like, if you start running now,
Speaker 1: You're gonna be running the rest of your life. And
Speaker 1: that just like so I stuck it out. You know,
Speaker 1: two weeks later, I'm the most valuable player of the
Speaker 1: ACC tournaments. Alway's like, man, I guess I always tell
Speaker 1: people tomorrow of that story is listen to your mom.
Speaker 1: You know, she she's gonna tell you what's right, you know,
Speaker 1: And I should have known, like when I when it
Speaker 1: came to the recruiting trip, I had like Michigan Steve
Speaker 1: Fisher and came in that morning probably around you know,
Speaker 1: around lunchtime. You know, my mom had some doughnuts and
Speaker 1: some coffees, and Coach Smith was coming in at the
Speaker 1: you know, the afternoon about two, probably about one fifteen.
Speaker 1: I started hearing, you know, smelling pork chops frying, you know, cabbage.
Speaker 1: You know, she had everything she's she said. I didn't
Speaker 1: even really know she knew who Dean Smith was, but
Speaker 1: you know, just just that little gesture right there kind
Speaker 1: of pushed me even more to that direction. They were
Speaker 1: about the same age, they really hit it off. But
Speaker 1: just just learning all of those I mean, most of
Speaker 1: the stuff, the basis of what I do now is
Speaker 1: from him. Right. So it's like our defensively keeping the
Speaker 1: ball out the middle. You know, I'm strictly a no
Speaker 1: middle team, having a low help come you know, sharing
Speaker 1: the ball still, you know, moving, you know, moving in motion, playing,
Speaker 1: you know, rebounding the basketball, getting to the file line,
Speaker 1: all those things, the analytics side of the basketball. He
Speaker 1: was way ahead of the game. Man. He was a
Speaker 1: math major. I heard it a story that you know,
Speaker 1: we're like three minutes in the game. You know, he
Speaker 1: looked up at the score and then wrote it on
Speaker 1: the paper, you know what the final score was gonna be,
Speaker 1: and it was exactly what. It was crazy, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Just how he could you know, see
Speaker 1: the possession, see how the game was flowing. Man, we
Speaker 1: could we all hope to, you know, be able to
Speaker 1: to see the game from that perspective. But but I
Speaker 1: took a lot from him, a lot from a lot
Speaker 1: of the other coaches that I coached for for two
Speaker 1: I mean, Avery Johnson was was big in my development.
Speaker 1: But look at this kind of tree, you know where
Speaker 1: you know Dean Smith, who you know, Coach Tall, Larry Brown,
Speaker 1: Larry Brown, Tall, Gregg Popovitch, Gregg Popovich, Avery Johnson. So
Speaker 1: it was like, you know, once I had you know,
Speaker 1: Coach Smith, and then once I got to Avery, when
Speaker 1: it was like, you know, ten you years later, boom,
Speaker 1: like all of that stuff came back together. We had
Speaker 1: such a great synergy and relationship because we've all kind
Speaker 1: of come from the same thought process of how the
Speaker 1: game should be played and and and how you should
Speaker 1: share the floor with other good players. Two years and
Speaker 1: n C you make the Pine for the class for
Speaker 1: the draft? Is that an easy decision to make? Well?
Speaker 1: It was at the time, man, because my my mom
Speaker 1: got sick again. I talked about my parents being a
Speaker 1: little older. My mom had had breast cancer and you know,
Speaker 1: and I just thought that it was an opportunity too,
Speaker 1: you know, she not even had to work anymore. You know,
Speaker 1: I could be able to take care of my family.
Speaker 1: So it was it was pretty easy decision for me.
Speaker 1: I mean again, especially when I knew that I would,
Speaker 1: you know, going in the top four picks. It just
Speaker 1: felt like and then she, you know, she left too,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. He left first, so it's like,
Speaker 1: are we still going you know, kind of have the
Speaker 1: same impact, you know, going forward. I didn't know Vince
Speaker 1: card in Antoine Jameson was gonna be Vince card in Antwine.
Speaker 1: James said, I might have had to think about one time.
Speaker 1: I mean, and Jeff, that's an instant national championship. I
Speaker 1: still I mean, I think about it again, but like
Speaker 1: at the time, you don't know then. So it's like,
Speaker 1: I mean, I gotta, I gotta do this for you know,
Speaker 1: for my family. And I felt like, you know, she's
Speaker 1: still with me today, ninety three years old. You know,
Speaker 1: she's actually in the hospital now, you know, keep her
Speaker 1: in your prayers, but man, who will um No. So
Speaker 1: I definitely felt like I made that a great decision
Speaker 1: for that alone. And I still still have her in
Speaker 1: my life. And she's still you know, still on we
Speaker 1: got Zoom service. She's a pastor. She still gets something,
Speaker 1: give us a good word, you know, you know, every
Speaker 1: second Sunday. Man. So it's uh, no secret that I'm here. Man,
Speaker 1: it ain't for all the great things that I've done,
Speaker 1: but it's from those prayers and things that she's still
Speaker 1: sending up for us. That top five, that that that
Speaker 1: top five Joe Smith, mcdice yourself, she and then kg Uh.
Speaker 1: She was just telling me because I was research, you know,
Speaker 1: doing my study and before you came and I was like, damn,
Speaker 1: I was like, I didn't know that. Uh uh. Stackhouse
Speaker 1: went one pick for you to Philly. He's like, man,
Speaker 1: I was so happy for him because he's like, I
Speaker 1: felt like I wasn't ready to go home and play there.
Speaker 1: He's like, I'm so glad stack went third and I
Speaker 1: went forth because I wasn't mature enough to handle playing
Speaker 1: at home. I'm like, damn, that's crazy. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: it was like when you going back to it with
Speaker 1: the stability or instability that we had in Philadelphia at
Speaker 1: the time. I wish it might have I would have
Speaker 1: taken that that that pick behind them, but no, it was.
Speaker 1: It was great, you know. I mean I was just
Speaker 1: man going to a situation as a twenty year old.
Speaker 1: You know, I felt like we supposed to be winning,
Speaker 1: right I was. You know. So it's like and I
Speaker 1: was when we were losing, and that's the first time
Speaker 1: I ever really lost in my life. You know, I
Speaker 1: was coming home, I wasn't going out, I wasn't doing nothing.
Speaker 1: I thought everybody in the street was looking at me like, man,
Speaker 1: what's what's wrong. I didn't realize that we weren't supposed
Speaker 1: to be winning. Man, you played with thirty guys and
Speaker 1: a bunch of them wasn't in the in the NBA,
Speaker 1: you know, you know, the previous year. So it's like,
Speaker 1: so those are things that just it helped you to
Speaker 1: grow though, and you had to, you know. But the
Speaker 1: thing about it was just trying to prove that you
Speaker 1: could play. You You weren't thinking about coming in there,
Speaker 1: uh other doing anything other than you know, trying to
Speaker 1: prove that I belonged in this league. And I think
Speaker 1: that was the first step. And then once you you know,
Speaker 1: you showed that, that's when you start thinking about winning.
Speaker 1: And I think that's probably really why a lot of
Speaker 1: it didn't didn't work out for us and Philly. We
Speaker 1: had some talented teams. You know, Derrek Coleman came through,
Speaker 1: he didn't really want to be there, and then you
Speaker 1: had the young cats, me and Allen and you know,
Speaker 1: we're just getting drafted. We're just trying to prove that
Speaker 1: we can play. We're still getting twenty apiece, but again
Speaker 1: it's just, you know, we're not winning, and I think
Speaker 1: ultimately we had to make a decision that, um, you know,
Speaker 1: we got two scoring guards, we need to try to
Speaker 1: build his team, and they chose to build it around Allen.
Speaker 1: I went to Detroit, had successful run there and but
Speaker 1: now it's just the nature of this business. How did
Speaker 1: the Feeling deal come about? Actually, it kind of just
Speaker 1: fell into place. I mean, I was I was a
Speaker 1: Nike guy, really, I mean, I wanted Nike to to
Speaker 1: step up, but I mean I think they're kind of,
Speaker 1: uh decided they weren't really giving any signature shoes that
Speaker 1: that year. They still wanted me to come in and
Speaker 1: wanted me to be in a in a stable of
Speaker 1: young guys. But you know, Feeling just stepped up. You know,
Speaker 1: I had the same representation as grand Hill. You know,
Speaker 1: when I first came out, I was with Advantages. You know,
Speaker 1: now it's Octagon, and so they did the deal right
Speaker 1: before and I was the third pick, so you know,
Speaker 1: he was the third pick. This was a deal that
Speaker 1: he got. So it's just natural increase for them to
Speaker 1: come in and offer me the same, you know, five
Speaker 1: year deal. Man. It was crazy. I have, you know,
Speaker 1: more money from the shoe deal than I did from
Speaker 1: from the contract because we were the very first year
Speaker 1: of the rookie rookie salary cap. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: Like the guys were for us Grant Hill and Big Dog.
Speaker 1: They signed like, you know, forty million dollars deal. You know,
Speaker 1: we signed like you know, single single number, single million
Speaker 1: dollar deal for for for our first deal, we had
Speaker 1: to prove it. You know, we're going the first groups.
Speaker 1: There weren't nothing, any nothing was given to us. You
Speaker 1: had to prove that you're gonna be able to hang
Speaker 1: around this league. And unfortunately for us, we did. You
Speaker 1: get traded. You spoke on it to Detroit. You teamed
Speaker 1: up a Grant Hill um. For people that don't know. Obviously,
Speaker 1: injuries deroout his career, but how special was Grant? When
Speaker 1: Grant was healthy, we ain't got enough time got it
Speaker 1: was cold, it was cold. It was like, oh, you know,
Speaker 1: because he he was unselfish man. He was like Lebron
Speaker 1: from the standpoint of he could handle the basketball. He
Speaker 1: would looked to make plays for others, but he could
Speaker 1: he could score at will. He could couldn't really keep
Speaker 1: him in front of you, um off the bounce. He
Speaker 1: could go out and down in the post and play um.
Speaker 1: And it was probably the only weakness that you probably
Speaker 1: would say about Grant was probably defensively right was and
Speaker 1: then at the end of his career. He goes to
Speaker 1: Phoenix and he becomes a defensive style. So you know,
Speaker 1: you look at his body at work, man, um, if
Speaker 1: he if he wouldn't have got hurt. And I think
Speaker 1: that played a you know, a big part of us kind.
Speaker 1: I mean, we were on our way, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. I think we were probably one of the
Speaker 1: best tandems in the league behind you know, Scotty and
Speaker 1: and MJ at the time. But I think some you know,
Speaker 1: I gotta read this book. I gotta get get this
Speaker 1: new book and kind of you know, to get the
Speaker 1: story on why did he really leave? Why did he
Speaker 1: go to Orlando? But I think, you know, there were
Speaker 1: some other things and then as far as his wife
Speaker 1: and some opportunities that he could have the big picture
Speaker 1: of his family. Um. But you know, man, it was
Speaker 1: definitely but it was cool. I had a chance for
Speaker 1: that one year to really explode, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: and showed that I could, you know, lead the team,
Speaker 1: you know, on my own, you know, we um you know,
Speaker 1: put up you know, almost thirty thirty a game, you know,
Speaker 1: and hiss acsence. I feel like I had to, you know,
Speaker 1: take on that that load. But quickly I found out
Speaker 1: that I needed more guys. You know I'm saying, I
Speaker 1: think And so I had my scoring average, you know,
Speaker 1: Rick Carlisle came in and he was like, Stack, you know,
Speaker 1: I need you to be a decoy. I mean, everybody's
Speaker 1: knows that you could score thirty. I need you to
Speaker 1: take you score twenty five. I'm like, what, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying at first, and then he was like,
Speaker 1: you know, um, we want to put you in more
Speaker 1: picking rolls. We know that we're gonna trap you and
Speaker 1: then you know they're gonna play four on three on
Speaker 1: the other side and we're gonna win. And you know,
Speaker 1: it took a little buying into it, and but you
Speaker 1: know I bought into it and we did. We went
Speaker 1: from thirty two and fifty a year that I average,
Speaker 1: you know, almost thirty to fifty and thirty two when
Speaker 1: I average twenty four. So it's so it's like, you know,
Speaker 1: sometimes uh, you know, less, it's more, yeah, And I
Speaker 1: think that ultimately, you know, And that's my message again
Speaker 1: when you talk about all the coaches that I played for,
Speaker 1: those are situations and stories that I can, you know,
Speaker 1: reflect back on when I'm talking to a guy about
Speaker 1: you know, being a little more selfless and and and
Speaker 1: how we can gain as a whole from from from
Speaker 1: that approach. I mean, this is something else you could
Speaker 1: talk to him about. Players in the two thousand average
Speaker 1: twenty nine plus shack lebron K, D Kobe, a I,
Speaker 1: D d way, Tea Mac and yourself. What do you
Speaker 1: think when you hear that I told you couldn't Nobody
Speaker 1: stopped me. Already knew, you know, But it's like, man,
Speaker 1: I already you know I had I had twenty four.
Speaker 1: I got off the bus talk yeah, when when when
Speaker 1: this other team gonna happen, and how it's gonna how
Speaker 1: it's gonna come about. But I was just, man, it
Speaker 1: was a fun time when you look at those names
Speaker 1: and you see your name amongst that. But again, uh,
Speaker 1: for me, and ultimately to to win that, you know,
Speaker 1: I had to. I couldn't stay where they were at
Speaker 1: those numbers. I had to give a little bit. I
Speaker 1: had to get more cists and ultimately, um, after I
Speaker 1: left Detroit, um, you know, went to Washington, got to Dallas.
Speaker 1: You know, I was able to you know, get with
Speaker 1: Dirk and and and and have probably the best team
Speaker 1: that ever played on Um there, Uh you really sorry?
Speaker 1: You know, I mean that was that finals run that
Speaker 1: we that that we have. Man, that was by far,
Speaker 1: you know, and I probably average probably one of the
Speaker 1: last amount of my year's probably thirteen fourteen coming off
Speaker 1: off the bench, you know, that was you know, Nellie,
Speaker 1: that was my my, my, man. I didn't know how
Speaker 1: we were even gonna kick it. I heard it. I
Speaker 1: was just kind of passing through. But Nellie is like
Speaker 1: he came to me, like Stack, you was started, but
Speaker 1: I can only start five guys. But you're gonna play
Speaker 1: start of minutes and you're gonna be there at the
Speaker 1: end of the game. That's all I need to hear, coach.
Speaker 1: And then you know, nearly he was uh he gave
Speaker 1: turn it over to Avery in the year. But man,
Speaker 1: it was just just fun being able to play with
Speaker 1: you know, a nice you know, our bench, we were
Speaker 1: the ones that really first started that bench with Jason
Speaker 1: Terry and all those guys. We were all coming off
Speaker 1: the bench, Mike Finley and all those guys they were starting.
Speaker 1: But man, can you imagine when practice like the war,
Speaker 1: when we really used to practice and UN used to
Speaker 1: beat the first UN and a lot of and a
Speaker 1: lot of different teams what right, like you know, and
Speaker 1: and it was just about competitives made the game easy.
Speaker 1: By the time we got to the games. Uh you know,
Speaker 1: they were easy because we we were battling in practice
Speaker 1: every day. Y'all ran into a fun up team and
Speaker 1: those seven, yes, sir, bring that up. It's two of
Speaker 1: the fun up guys sitting here right now. But the
Speaker 1: one thing I remember I was cutting that y'all ask that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he was two motherfucker's were kept going with you and Josh,
Speaker 1: y'all don't want to that it would be so mad
Speaker 1: there because I love Stackhouse, but I didn't really know
Speaker 1: him like that at the time, so I was just
Speaker 1: kind of this is my first year really rocking links.
Speaker 1: I'm just look, he's mad as fun. At the end
Speaker 1: of the game on the best like he got the
Speaker 1: game six, he came in and hit three threes off
Speaker 1: the start. Yeah, off the ril. You don't want fighting
Speaker 1: back though, yeah, JT. Now now your boys, y'all had him,
Speaker 1: You ain't had nothing to lose. You and Nellie felt
Speaker 1: like ship we won that serious didn't give a about
Speaker 1: the last championship. Wanted he wanted to put he wanted
Speaker 1: sticking to cueue straight and he knew hell he drafted Dirk.
Speaker 1: He found him and he told us everything about that
Speaker 1: and all that man like man put man, put dirt,
Speaker 1: put his little ass in the basket. Man him. He
Speaker 1: would not he would not wrestle with the job. Man.
Speaker 1: It was that. But if you guys did the hell
Speaker 1: of a job bet was was unbelievable. J Rich Like
Speaker 1: I said, I remember Mary, I was meeting him up
Speaker 1: top everything. But that's that that that has a lot
Speaker 1: about that team for the tip of that to happen
Speaker 1: and then come back, how y'all came back, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Yeah, Yeah, we had to. Man, it
Speaker 1: was it was a tough had to make that run.
Speaker 1: You know that that's sometimes that that gets you to
Speaker 1: that next sample. Man, that that that heartache, that that
Speaker 1: defeat and then you come back and you you make
Speaker 1: a strong run. The run you guys had against d
Speaker 1: Wade and oh six. Questionable call. A lot of questionable
Speaker 1: calls in that series. The people kind of still talk
Speaker 1: about to this day. What's what's your perspective on it? Yeah,
Speaker 1: a lot of questionable calls still talk about to this, David,
Speaker 1: I think it was can't take anything away from the one,
Speaker 1: and I think a lot of it. To me, I
Speaker 1: put it on the format which has since changed. Right again,
Speaker 1: when you work hard, and you work hard for home
Speaker 1: court advantage, you shouldn't come back home possibly down you
Speaker 1: know that two three to format. And again even though
Speaker 1: those games in the middle were you know, a lot
Speaker 1: a lot happened. I got suspended the game for hard
Speaker 1: file and um, you know, and I was I'm sitting
Speaker 1: in the you know, you know, sitting in the hotel room,
Speaker 1: knowing that I could make a difference that we would
Speaker 1: have went back home, you know, at least up three too,
Speaker 1: you know, and two of those games, and there was
Speaker 1: some marginal calls that that went against us, but and
Speaker 1: then they had kind of the momentum when we came
Speaker 1: back home, you know, so it was all that shouldn't
Speaker 1: shouldn't feel that type of pressure after you had the
Speaker 1: type of regular season that we had, you know at
Speaker 1: the going up you know too, oh you know, I
Speaker 1: mean that's still but but but looking at it, man,
Speaker 1: we just we got away from the from the game plan.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, nothing, you know, we know
Speaker 1: that we wanted to um, you know that he was
Speaker 1: a rhythm left and we want to get on his
Speaker 1: right hand, and we didn't do it. And I think
Speaker 1: and ultimately, you know, that call says, I mean, Dain
Speaker 1: had an unbelievable serious. He was great, but you know,
Speaker 1: he shot probably a few more free throws than he
Speaker 1: should have. But you know, and one in particular that
Speaker 1: that that that you know, that basically changed serious. But
Speaker 1: I'm still you know, I've never been one of the
Speaker 1: cry of spill. Mick. Well, it is what it is.
Speaker 1: And you know, we had our opportunities. We didn't see
Speaker 1: those opportunities. But they should have changed that format before
Speaker 1: that year, you know, to two one one one, And
Speaker 1: I think we are sitting up here and some some company,
Speaker 1: you know, with some some hardware and some rings. I mean,
Speaker 1: people don't know how hard it is to get back
Speaker 1: to You think you gonna get back because you made
Speaker 1: a nice run, but it's just never never that easy again,
Speaker 1: and never made it back. A lot of luck goes out,
Speaker 1: a lot of it. You end up playing eighteen Told
Speaker 1: the Seasons. At what point did you decide it was enough?
Speaker 1: Was it the body or that kind of was pushing
Speaker 1: you out. No, I thought I could have probably could
Speaker 1: have played another year. Um, but it was just some
Speaker 1: other opportunities. I mean, I really got kind of entrenched
Speaker 1: into the business of basketball understanding. You know, at first,
Speaker 1: nobody really was caring about the you know, players Association
Speaker 1: meetings and things like that. We were just running to
Speaker 1: win that they were gonna pass out to the checks,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. And I think we all
Speaker 1: kind of fell into that trap. And then as I
Speaker 1: got older and understanding that, um, you know that the
Speaker 1: players really have a lot of power and understanding that
Speaker 1: we have to utilize that power. We have to take
Speaker 1: advantage of it. Unlike the NBA, where they have, um,
Speaker 1: you know, the same turnover. You know, those guys are
Speaker 1: there every year. You know, we're like funchible assets. You know,
Speaker 1: we leave and then there's new guys, and we really
Speaker 1: don't you know, maintain that institutional knowledge. You know, we
Speaker 1: don't give it back to that other group and they
Speaker 1: have to come and learn it all over again. So
Speaker 1: it was important for me to try to transition into
Speaker 1: doing some things with the p a UM and and
Speaker 1: then I just had an opportunity to to to get
Speaker 1: into coaching, you know, I mean I was always a
Speaker 1: guy that gravitated to the young guys. I used to
Speaker 1: bring the rookies and stay with me when I was
Speaker 1: in Detroit, just to make sure they got the practice
Speaker 1: on time. Um, you know, I would you work out
Speaker 1: with him, showing them different moves, different things like that,
Speaker 1: because I didn't feel threatened by younger players. Nothing. That's
Speaker 1: because I was. That happened to me in Philly, you know,
Speaker 1: I mean had some old heads that you know, didn't
Speaker 1: want to show me anything. Then when I mean I
Speaker 1: was coming off screens getting cracked. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: because I never chased our screens before. I was a powerfulward.
Speaker 1: And now you know, but Verne Max will Man shout
Speaker 1: out to Burn, I'm hooking up with him later the day.
Speaker 1: These shows like man, put put your hand on that
Speaker 1: on his ass, pimp pumpers when he comes you showing pimp, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you shove him from that screen. They don't know if
Speaker 1: it's his momentum, yours pimp and that's him. When when
Speaker 1: when once he talked mean that it was over. I
Speaker 1: was running out in Houston and Ray Allen asked into
Speaker 1: that first role so and so I think just from
Speaker 1: from that, um, you know, I always felt like I
Speaker 1: was gonna get back to those guys. I wasn't gonna
Speaker 1: be one of those bests that then feel like I
Speaker 1: was gonna share with the young guys because I was
Speaker 1: threatened by what, you know, what they brought to the table.
Speaker 1: And I think you know that my final year, my
Speaker 1: eighteenth year in Brooklyn, you know, Avery brought me in
Speaker 1: to be more of a coach. You know, in my mind,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm saying all the right thing and coached,
Speaker 1: but you know, I wanted to play right, you know.
Speaker 1: So as soon as we got out there, and then
Speaker 1: I'm like, man, it's you know, it's the young dudes,
Speaker 1: Marshaun Brooks and you know they said they're talented, but
Speaker 1: they ain't gonna play over me, saying if they're really
Speaker 1: trying to win. So I got out there and again
Speaker 1: even in my final year, I was I was contributing.
Speaker 1: She was in She and Kurt Thomas was in New York.
Speaker 1: There was with the Nick. So we used to meet
Speaker 1: up all the time and just like it was like
Speaker 1: our victory tour, you know, our last year. And then um,
Speaker 1: from that, I had an opportunity to um, and I
Speaker 1: felt like I had to get some separation. I knew
Speaker 1: that I wanted to coach, but they still kind of
Speaker 1: we gotta what you got to get that player stink
Speaker 1: off of you a little bit, so to speak, because
Speaker 1: they don't really take you serious as long as you're
Speaker 1: still playing. But then once you got I did some
Speaker 1: broadcast and I did XM radio, did some things on
Speaker 1: the NBA TV to stay close to the game, and
Speaker 1: then I got an opportunity, um um to you know,
Speaker 1: start my own AU program. I did really well there
Speaker 1: um and they asked Adidas asked me to take a
Speaker 1: team over to Treviso, Italy, and there I was able
Speaker 1: to get in front of a bunch of gms and
Speaker 1: for them to see me coach, and you know, Massa
Speaker 1: Jerry called me. It was like, we're looking to at
Speaker 1: a former player too to our staff, and you know,
Speaker 1: would you be interested in interviewing for the job. I
Speaker 1: went up interviewed for the job. You know, Dwane Casey
Speaker 1: hired me. I'm saying learned a lot from case too again,
Speaker 1: just how the management of you know, a business to
Speaker 1: professional the details of how to to to go buy
Speaker 1: your business on the day to day basis from from
Speaker 1: a coaching standpoint, I was able to see that first hand.
Speaker 1: And man, then they asked me to coach the G League.
Speaker 1: You know, I went down there and first year out,
Speaker 1: you know, we got it done and wanted chip And
Speaker 1: next year we went back to the finals again and
Speaker 1: had an opportunity to actually interview for the for the job.
Speaker 1: You know, I thought I had a good shot at
Speaker 1: getting the Toronto job when they decided to move away
Speaker 1: from case Um they gave it to Nick Nurse and
Speaker 1: then I took an assistant job with Memphis for a year,
Speaker 1: and then Vanderbilt called about, you know, the president of
Speaker 1: the G League who saw me kind of build and
Speaker 1: how I went about my business as a team. He
Speaker 1: got the day d job at at Vanderbilt, and he
Speaker 1: called me like, you know, we we where we are.
Speaker 1: We need your development is huge. They understand how we
Speaker 1: got out there on the floor and grinded, and that
Speaker 1: was kind of my message in my interview, and I
Speaker 1: got the job and kind of the rest is history.
Speaker 1: That's where I'm at right now. I love to hear it.
Speaker 1: Quick hitters. Man. First thing to come to mind, let us.
Speaker 1: Know your U n C starting five could be with
Speaker 1: you or without you. M hmm, I'm going with Phil
Speaker 1: Ford for sure. Guy, gotta go with Phil. Uh my
Speaker 1: first and show h m j Ah, myself, Vince and Cha. No.
Speaker 1: I could go a thousand different ways with that. What
Speaker 1: I mean? I could go with H Kenny, M J Vnce, H,
Speaker 1: James Worthy and Sam Perkins. Lord. Hello, that's that. That's
Speaker 1: that second team, a third team. You know, we keep
Speaker 1: keep going with it. Man, that's just so many guys,
Speaker 1: you know, Twine that Mr k plus Gordon League. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. I mean, he's going that that
Speaker 1: was a bucket, you know. So it's just like, man,
Speaker 1: so so many guys. One night in Vegas. Keywords right here,
Speaker 1: this is key words too. I like to him, all
Speaker 1: expenses paid, three people that you're gonna kick it with
Speaker 1: and Vegas, all expenses paid, three people living or I'm
Speaker 1: going with Muhammad Ali, Malcolm X and Martin Luther King
Speaker 1: one night and what's that movie? One night in uh
Speaker 1: in Miami. Yeah, those are the type I just want
Speaker 1: to get in their mind just a little bit. Ain't
Speaker 1: worried about kicking it? You know what I'm saying, I
Speaker 1: got I don't kick it enough to ain't got to
Speaker 1: do that. Give me some of those major minds, Yes,
Speaker 1: sir Early Malcolm X, you might you might partly live.
Speaker 1: We're gonna kick it a little bit. Yeah, try to
Speaker 1: be able to play or not be somewhere around, you know,
Speaker 1: trying to put a little tune together. Speaking of music,
Speaker 1: one album you can listen to with no skifs uh
Speaker 1: you Madic? Call Madic. Give me an RB album because
Speaker 1: people don't know you sing man that one twelve once
Speaker 1: nice first thing you're doing the morning and the last
Speaker 1: thing you do before you go to bed. I'm going
Speaker 1: straight to the bath from Brown said super Bowl, super Bowl.
Speaker 1: I'm good for the day. And then the last thing.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm gonna relaxed a little bit. Give
Speaker 1: me a little night cap. Yeah, shut it down, row
Speaker 1: Man Ship piece of advice? Should we give you a
Speaker 1: younger self piece of advice? Man? Just again, probably the
Speaker 1: same thing that I would. Just just listen, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Listen, listen and be patient. Don't try
Speaker 1: to try to rush you, don't try to get there
Speaker 1: too fast. Just just take your time and enjoin and
Speaker 1: I think, you know, so much about getting to the
Speaker 1: next thing. Even when he was in high school, it
Speaker 1: was about getting to college. College is about getting to
Speaker 1: the pros as pros, about getting becoming an All Star,
Speaker 1: All Star, about winning the champion, and then it just
Speaker 1: just relax and let it happen. So that's what I
Speaker 1: think I would tell myself that, you know, because I
Speaker 1: probably was more stressed than than I was towards the
Speaker 1: you know, the end of my career. Now. You know,
Speaker 1: people was like, man, you you look younger than you
Speaker 1: did when you played, and I was like, man, I was,
Speaker 1: I had things on my mind. So I just you know,
Speaker 1: now I could just focus on trying to you know,
Speaker 1: show other guys, show these young guys that I'm you know,
Speaker 1: I mean, I got I got great people at Vanderbil
Speaker 1: there to support me since I've been my a d
Speaker 1: you know, my chancellor. Man, they see what we're building,
Speaker 1: you know, and so it's exciting time for us, and
Speaker 1: we're just ready to um take it to the next level. Man.
Speaker 1: You know, we took took our lunch for for a
Speaker 1: couple of years, and now I got a nucleus. It's
Speaker 1: fun to watch now I got my my older guys
Speaker 1: teaching teaching the younger guys, you know, so it's not
Speaker 1: like we gotta teach everybody. And that's you know, that's
Speaker 1: that's really refreshing when you can, you know, see those
Speaker 1: other guys pulling guys off and showing them how we
Speaker 1: go about our business and how we do things. And
Speaker 1: so I'm expecting the big things in a huge year
Speaker 1: for for my guys. If you can have one guest
Speaker 1: on All the Smoke, who would it be? But you
Speaker 1: have to help us get your answer on the show.
Speaker 1: I probably already had him. Oh man, that's damn. That's
Speaker 1: that's a tough one, that bro. I gotta I gotta
Speaker 1: think about that. What I'm saying on the show. He
Speaker 1: has not Man, he has not Wow. And I know
Speaker 1: for a fact, and I don't know. I ain't the biggest,
Speaker 1: but I know my relationship with Mike when I played there,
Speaker 1: and if I had a chance to look him in
Speaker 1: his face and ask him come my show, he would
Speaker 1: do it. But sending all these message to everybody else,
Speaker 1: it ain't gonna happen. But I've seen him face to face.
Speaker 1: I know he would come on the show. People saying
Speaker 1: Mike ain't come on here. So I'm telling you, trust me.
Speaker 1: If I got a chance to get Mike face and
Speaker 1: asked me, he would do it. Mike Reality, y'all think
Speaker 1: no doubt. That's what I just told you. Man, that's
Speaker 1: the best thing that you can do. Like I said,
Speaker 1: a lot of go arounds and in betweens, that ain't
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