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Speaker 1: M h. Welcome back to all the smoke out here

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Speaker 1: in Vegas. Suddenly get the beautiful legends sweet here at

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Speaker 1: the wind Hotel. We just had one good one. We

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Speaker 1: got another good one another teammate, um Man, Welcome to

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Speaker 1: the show, Jerry Stackhouse. Appreciate, appreciate that. Hell, they don't

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Speaker 1: know about that. You know about the heel. Well, let's

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Speaker 1: I mean, let's start the show when they talk about it,

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Speaker 1: y'all talk about the Oak Hill. Well, it's funny that

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Speaker 1: he's here, that were both here because the great Steve

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Speaker 1: managic to see all the lives he affected. And UH

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Speaker 1: for me to give me an opportunity to play basketball.

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Speaker 1: Coming from where I came from, I didn't think I

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Speaker 1: could reach that high to the high school. So I

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Speaker 1: looked up to him. But you experienced it to and

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Speaker 1: you probably in the top three, maybe top two, all

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Speaker 1: Jeff McInnis was probably the main reason that I went

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Speaker 1: and he was just begging me this, like, yo, man,

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Speaker 1: same thing. And then taking the high school we wind

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Speaker 1: you know, they were going to Hawaii going to Vegas.

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Speaker 1: I was like, yo, man, that that's that sounds like

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Speaker 1: made the trip my mom. We jumped up in the

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Speaker 1: Oh man, we came in on the back road to

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Speaker 1: jack We didn't even come in on the first road,

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Speaker 1: so it was like mountains Lewis gravel and the mountains

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Speaker 1: and everything. But now it was it was a great

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Speaker 1: experience for me, and you know, definitely shout out to

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Speaker 1: to Steve Smith, one of one of the best to

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Speaker 1: ever do it. For sure. What's the day to day

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Speaker 1: life like for you? Now? Obviously I hear summer League,

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Speaker 1: came to spend some time with my guys. I got.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's good to have a few guys that

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Speaker 1: you coach this in in the summer League. Now, not

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Speaker 1: only ones that I coached at Vanderbilt and Scotty, you know,

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Speaker 1: Ernie Smith saving league, but a couple of kids that

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Speaker 1: I coached back in grassroots when I had my Stackhouse

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Speaker 1: you know, things come full circle for where they all

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Speaker 1: dreamed to be and for them to finally get that chance.

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Speaker 1: I want to share it with him. So, Scotty, you

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Speaker 1: had him in the last three years. He came out early,

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Speaker 1: player under your program? Yeah, he's been doing well. Man.

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Speaker 1: He's a sponge. You know, He's gonna just get better

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Speaker 1: and better. And it's great. He's gonna be around a

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Speaker 1: He's you just had to work on his ball security.

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Speaker 1: He's I mean, he's a son. I mean, obviously I

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Speaker 1: But hell, he's he's the son of a Hall of famer.

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Speaker 1: You know, you know, never take that for granted that

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Speaker 1: I'm excited for him. Talk about growing up in Kinston

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Speaker 1: Because I'm older, it's a big gap between my brothers.

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Speaker 1: Like my mom had me when she was forty five,

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Speaker 1: Who was some of your influence people you looked up to.

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Speaker 1: Man obviously m J. You know, being from North Carolina. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: And you know, like I said, those I really like,

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Speaker 1: You know, he wore fifty two in North Carolina. But man,

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Speaker 1: just big game James with my guy. Do kids in

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Speaker 1: at Tall Hill. Well yeah, I mean they're blue blood.

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Speaker 1: I mean it's like, you know, it's skin where we

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Speaker 1: I love it. You know, I'm still a tar heel

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Speaker 1: I love that Vanderbilt and go doors all day, anchor down.

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Speaker 1: But you know I believe that blue for really. I'm

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Speaker 1: where I come from, that soul, that's all. Yeah, Before

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Speaker 1: Like crazy stories, fun stories? It look like you know,

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Speaker 1: I'm saying a different, different, probably breed than what they

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Speaker 1: protect him. Guinness is one of the best college point

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Speaker 1: it ain't for all the great things that I've done,

425
00:20:00,920 --> 00:20:04,359
Speaker 1: but it's from those prayers and things that she's still

426
00:20:04,440 --> 00:20:07,000
Speaker 1: sending up for us. That top five, that that that

427
00:20:07,240 --> 00:20:11,239
Speaker 1: top five Joe Smith, mcdice yourself, she and then kg Uh.

428
00:20:11,640 --> 00:20:14,520
Speaker 1: She was just telling me because I was research, you know,

429
00:20:14,800 --> 00:20:17,840
Speaker 1: doing my study and before you came and I was like, damn,

430
00:20:17,880 --> 00:20:21,520
Speaker 1: I was like, I didn't know that. Uh uh. Stackhouse

431
00:20:21,560 --> 00:20:23,600
Speaker 1: went one pick for you to Philly. He's like, man,

432
00:20:23,640 --> 00:20:25,200
Speaker 1: I was so happy for him because he's like, I

433
00:20:25,440 --> 00:20:28,920
Speaker 1: felt like I wasn't ready to go home and play there.

434
00:20:28,960 --> 00:20:31,320
Speaker 1: He's like, I'm so glad stack went third and I

435
00:20:31,440 --> 00:20:34,119
Speaker 1: went forth because I wasn't mature enough to handle playing

436
00:20:34,160 --> 00:20:36,639
Speaker 1: at home. I'm like, damn, that's crazy. Yeah, I mean

437
00:20:36,760 --> 00:20:40,040
Speaker 1: it was like when you going back to it with

438
00:20:40,160 --> 00:20:43,399
Speaker 1: the stability or instability that we had in Philadelphia at

439
00:20:43,440 --> 00:20:45,920
Speaker 1: the time. I wish it might have I would have

440
00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:48,920
Speaker 1: taken that that that pick behind them, but no, it was.

441
00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:52,440
Speaker 1: It was great, you know. I mean I was just

442
00:20:52,600 --> 00:20:55,800
Speaker 1: man going to a situation as a twenty year old.

443
00:20:56,400 --> 00:20:58,480
Speaker 1: You know, I felt like we supposed to be winning,

444
00:20:58,680 --> 00:21:00,119
Speaker 1: right I was. You know. So it's like and I

445
00:21:00,280 --> 00:21:02,200
Speaker 1: was when we were losing, and that's the first time

446
00:21:02,200 --> 00:21:04,399
Speaker 1: I ever really lost in my life. You know, I

447
00:21:04,520 --> 00:21:06,680
Speaker 1: was coming home, I wasn't going out, I wasn't doing nothing.

448
00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:09,320
Speaker 1: I thought everybody in the street was looking at me like, man,

449
00:21:09,440 --> 00:21:12,280
Speaker 1: what's what's wrong. I didn't realize that we weren't supposed

450
00:21:12,280 --> 00:21:14,159
Speaker 1: to be winning. Man, you played with thirty guys and

451
00:21:14,240 --> 00:21:16,679
Speaker 1: a bunch of them wasn't in the in the NBA,

452
00:21:17,080 --> 00:21:19,320
Speaker 1: you know, you know, the previous year. So it's like,

453
00:21:19,560 --> 00:21:22,159
Speaker 1: so those are things that just it helped you to

454
00:21:22,240 --> 00:21:23,760
Speaker 1: grow though, and you had to, you know. But the

455
00:21:23,800 --> 00:21:25,280
Speaker 1: thing about it was just trying to prove that you

456
00:21:25,359 --> 00:21:27,800
Speaker 1: could play. You You weren't thinking about coming in there,

457
00:21:28,440 --> 00:21:31,879
Speaker 1: uh other doing anything other than you know, trying to

458
00:21:32,359 --> 00:21:35,280
Speaker 1: prove that I belonged in this league. And I think

459
00:21:35,359 --> 00:21:38,520
Speaker 1: that was the first step. And then once you you know,

460
00:21:38,680 --> 00:21:41,520
Speaker 1: you showed that, that's when you start thinking about winning.

461
00:21:41,720 --> 00:21:43,760
Speaker 1: And I think that's probably really why a lot of

462
00:21:43,760 --> 00:21:45,840
Speaker 1: it didn't didn't work out for us and Philly. We

463
00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:49,000
Speaker 1: had some talented teams. You know, Derrek Coleman came through,

464
00:21:49,040 --> 00:21:50,600
Speaker 1: he didn't really want to be there, and then you

465
00:21:50,720 --> 00:21:53,359
Speaker 1: had the young cats, me and Allen and you know,

466
00:21:53,440 --> 00:21:55,560
Speaker 1: we're just getting drafted. We're just trying to prove that

467
00:21:55,640 --> 00:21:58,919
Speaker 1: we can play. We're still getting twenty apiece, but again

468
00:21:59,040 --> 00:22:01,160
Speaker 1: it's just, you know, we're not winning, and I think

469
00:22:01,280 --> 00:22:04,760
Speaker 1: ultimately we had to make a decision that, um, you know,

470
00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:07,119
Speaker 1: we got two scoring guards, we need to try to

471
00:22:07,160 --> 00:22:10,719
Speaker 1: build his team, and they chose to build it around Allen.

472
00:22:11,119 --> 00:22:15,560
Speaker 1: I went to Detroit, had successful run there and but

473
00:22:15,920 --> 00:22:19,080
Speaker 1: now it's just the nature of this business. How did

474
00:22:19,119 --> 00:22:24,240
Speaker 1: the Feeling deal come about? Actually, it kind of just

475
00:22:24,440 --> 00:22:26,440
Speaker 1: fell into place. I mean, I was I was a

476
00:22:26,560 --> 00:22:29,240
Speaker 1: Nike guy, really, I mean, I wanted Nike to to

477
00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:32,040
Speaker 1: step up, but I mean I think they're kind of,

478
00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:36,119
Speaker 1: uh decided they weren't really giving any signature shoes that

479
00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:38,080
Speaker 1: that year. They still wanted me to come in and

480
00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:40,000
Speaker 1: wanted me to be in a in a stable of

481
00:22:40,280 --> 00:22:43,399
Speaker 1: young guys. But you know, Feeling just stepped up. You know,

482
00:22:43,480 --> 00:22:46,639
Speaker 1: I had the same representation as grand Hill. You know,

483
00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:50,159
Speaker 1: when I first came out, I was with Advantages. You know,

484
00:22:50,359 --> 00:22:54,040
Speaker 1: now it's Octagon, and so they did the deal right

485
00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:56,159
Speaker 1: before and I was the third pick, so you know,

486
00:22:56,280 --> 00:22:57,879
Speaker 1: he was the third pick. This was a deal that

487
00:22:57,960 --> 00:23:01,520
Speaker 1: he got. So it's just natural increase for them to

488
00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:04,000
Speaker 1: come in and offer me the same, you know, five

489
00:23:04,080 --> 00:23:06,200
Speaker 1: year deal. Man. It was crazy. I have, you know,

490
00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:08,800
Speaker 1: more money from the shoe deal than I did from

491
00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:12,360
Speaker 1: from the contract because we were the very first year

492
00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:15,440
Speaker 1: of the rookie rookie salary cap. You know what I'm saying,

493
00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:19,280
Speaker 1: Like the guys were for us Grant Hill and Big Dog.

494
00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:22,480
Speaker 1: They signed like, you know, forty million dollars deal. You know,

495
00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:27,080
Speaker 1: we signed like you know, single single number, single million

496
00:23:27,119 --> 00:23:29,399
Speaker 1: dollar deal for for for our first deal, we had

497
00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:32,040
Speaker 1: to prove it. You know, we're going the first groups.

498
00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:34,359
Speaker 1: There weren't nothing, any nothing was given to us. You

499
00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:36,560
Speaker 1: had to prove that you're gonna be able to hang

500
00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:40,359
Speaker 1: around this league. And unfortunately for us, we did. You

501
00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:43,399
Speaker 1: get traded. You spoke on it to Detroit. You teamed

502
00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:47,080
Speaker 1: up a Grant Hill um. For people that don't know. Obviously,

503
00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:50,000
Speaker 1: injuries deroout his career, but how special was Grant? When

504
00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:55,680
Speaker 1: Grant was healthy, we ain't got enough time got it

505
00:23:55,840 --> 00:23:58,920
Speaker 1: was cold, it was cold. It was like, oh, you know,

506
00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:02,240
Speaker 1: because he he was unselfish man. He was like Lebron

507
00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:04,800
Speaker 1: from the standpoint of he could handle the basketball. He

508
00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:07,080
Speaker 1: would looked to make plays for others, but he could

509
00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:10,080
Speaker 1: he could score at will. He could couldn't really keep

510
00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:12,920
Speaker 1: him in front of you, um off the bounce. He

511
00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:16,280
Speaker 1: could go out and down in the post and play um.

512
00:24:17,359 --> 00:24:19,800
Speaker 1: And it was probably the only weakness that you probably

513
00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:24,720
Speaker 1: would say about Grant was probably defensively right was and

514
00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:27,600
Speaker 1: then at the end of his career. He goes to

515
00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:30,200
Speaker 1: Phoenix and he becomes a defensive style. So you know,

516
00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:33,040
Speaker 1: you look at his body at work, man, um, if

517
00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:34,760
Speaker 1: he if he wouldn't have got hurt. And I think

518
00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:38,000
Speaker 1: that played a you know, a big part of us kind.

519
00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:39,720
Speaker 1: I mean, we were on our way, you know what

520
00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:41,159
Speaker 1: I'm saying. I think we were probably one of the

521
00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:44,240
Speaker 1: best tandems in the league behind you know, Scotty and

522
00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:47,520
Speaker 1: and MJ at the time. But I think some you know,

523
00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:49,359
Speaker 1: I gotta read this book. I gotta get get this

524
00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:51,639
Speaker 1: new book and kind of you know, to get the

525
00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:53,720
Speaker 1: story on why did he really leave? Why did he

526
00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:55,760
Speaker 1: go to Orlando? But I think, you know, there were

527
00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:58,080
Speaker 1: some other things and then as far as his wife

528
00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:01,080
Speaker 1: and some opportunities that he could have the big picture

529
00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:04,720
Speaker 1: of his family. Um. But you know, man, it was

530
00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:08,080
Speaker 1: definitely but it was cool. I had a chance for

531
00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:11,680
Speaker 1: that one year to really explode, you know what I'm saying,

532
00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:13,640
Speaker 1: and showed that I could, you know, lead the team,

533
00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:16,720
Speaker 1: you know, on my own, you know, we um you know,

534
00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:19,520
Speaker 1: put up you know, almost thirty thirty a game, you know,

535
00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:21,680
Speaker 1: and hiss acsence. I feel like I had to, you know,

536
00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:25,120
Speaker 1: take on that that load. But quickly I found out

537
00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:28,080
Speaker 1: that I needed more guys. You know I'm saying, I

538
00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:31,200
Speaker 1: think And so I had my scoring average, you know,

539
00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:34,080
Speaker 1: Rick Carlisle came in and he was like, Stack, you know,

540
00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:36,719
Speaker 1: I need you to be a decoy. I mean, everybody's

541
00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:39,680
Speaker 1: knows that you could score thirty. I need you to

542
00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:42,399
Speaker 1: take you score twenty five. I'm like, what, you know

543
00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:44,280
Speaker 1: what I'm saying at first, and then he was like,

544
00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:47,679
Speaker 1: you know, um, we want to put you in more

545
00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:49,600
Speaker 1: picking rolls. We know that we're gonna trap you and

546
00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:52,760
Speaker 1: then you know they're gonna play four on three on

547
00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:55,159
Speaker 1: the other side and we're gonna win. And you know,

548
00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:57,520
Speaker 1: it took a little buying into it, and but you

549
00:25:57,560 --> 00:25:59,600
Speaker 1: know I bought into it and we did. We went

550
00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:02,360
Speaker 1: from thirty two and fifty a year that I average,

551
00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:06,040
Speaker 1: you know, almost thirty to fifty and thirty two when

552
00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:09,320
Speaker 1: I average twenty four. So it's so it's like, you know,

553
00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:12,680
Speaker 1: sometimes uh, you know, less, it's more, yeah, And I

554
00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:15,400
Speaker 1: think that ultimately, you know, And that's my message again

555
00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:17,440
Speaker 1: when you talk about all the coaches that I played for,

556
00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:21,040
Speaker 1: those are situations and stories that I can, you know,

557
00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:23,679
Speaker 1: reflect back on when I'm talking to a guy about

558
00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:27,040
Speaker 1: you know, being a little more selfless and and and

559
00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:29,919
Speaker 1: how we can gain as a whole from from from

560
00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:32,200
Speaker 1: that approach. I mean, this is something else you could

561
00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:34,640
Speaker 1: talk to him about. Players in the two thousand average

562
00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:38,119
Speaker 1: twenty nine plus shack lebron K, D Kobe, a I,

563
00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:44,040
Speaker 1: D d way, Tea Mac and yourself. What do you

564
00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:45,800
Speaker 1: think when you hear that I told you couldn't Nobody

565
00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:53,280
Speaker 1: stopped me. Already knew, you know, But it's like, man,

566
00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:56,720
Speaker 1: I already you know I had I had twenty four.

567
00:26:56,720 --> 00:27:01,199
Speaker 1: I got off the bus talk yeah, when when when

568
00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:03,359
Speaker 1: this other team gonna happen, and how it's gonna how

569
00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:05,560
Speaker 1: it's gonna come about. But I was just, man, it

570
00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:07,600
Speaker 1: was a fun time when you look at those names

571
00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:11,040
Speaker 1: and you see your name amongst that. But again, uh,

572
00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:16,440
Speaker 1: for me, and ultimately to to win that, you know,

573
00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:19,959
Speaker 1: I had to. I couldn't stay where they were at

574
00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:21,480
Speaker 1: those numbers. I had to give a little bit. I

575
00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:25,320
Speaker 1: had to get more cists and ultimately, um, after I

576
00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:29,280
Speaker 1: left Detroit, um, you know, went to Washington, got to Dallas.

577
00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:30,760
Speaker 1: You know, I was able to you know, get with

578
00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:33,360
Speaker 1: Dirk and and and and have probably the best team

579
00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:37,920
Speaker 1: that ever played on Um there, Uh you really sorry?

580
00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:40,080
Speaker 1: You know, I mean that was that finals run that

581
00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:42,320
Speaker 1: we that that we have. Man, that was by far,

582
00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:45,960
Speaker 1: you know, and I probably average probably one of the

583
00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:49,040
Speaker 1: last amount of my year's probably thirteen fourteen coming off

584
00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:51,200
Speaker 1: off the bench, you know, that was you know, Nellie,

585
00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:53,520
Speaker 1: that was my my, my, man. I didn't know how

586
00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:55,240
Speaker 1: we were even gonna kick it. I heard it. I

587
00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:58,040
Speaker 1: was just kind of passing through. But Nellie is like

588
00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:00,920
Speaker 1: he came to me, like Stack, you was started, but

589
00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:03,440
Speaker 1: I can only start five guys. But you're gonna play

590
00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:04,960
Speaker 1: start of minutes and you're gonna be there at the

591
00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:07,160
Speaker 1: end of the game. That's all I need to hear, coach.

592
00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:10,480
Speaker 1: And then you know, nearly he was uh he gave

593
00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:13,240
Speaker 1: turn it over to Avery in the year. But man,

594
00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:15,280
Speaker 1: it was just just fun being able to play with

595
00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:19,000
Speaker 1: you know, a nice you know, our bench, we were

596
00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:22,480
Speaker 1: the ones that really first started that bench with Jason

597
00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:25,200
Speaker 1: Terry and all those guys. We were all coming off

598
00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:29,080
Speaker 1: the bench, Mike Finley and all those guys they were starting.

599
00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:31,600
Speaker 1: But man, can you imagine when practice like the war,

600
00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:35,040
Speaker 1: when we really used to practice and UN used to

601
00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:36,520
Speaker 1: beat the first UN and a lot of and a

602
00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:39,520
Speaker 1: lot of different teams what right, like you know, and

603
00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:42,880
Speaker 1: and it was just about competitives made the game easy.

604
00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:45,680
Speaker 1: By the time we got to the games. Uh you know,

605
00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:48,680
Speaker 1: they were easy because we we were battling in practice

606
00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:50,600
Speaker 1: every day. Y'all ran into a fun up team and

607
00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:53,000
Speaker 1: those seven, yes, sir, bring that up. It's two of

608
00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:58,400
Speaker 1: the fun up guys sitting here right now. But the

609
00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:03,600
Speaker 1: one thing I remember I was cutting that y'all ask that. Yeah,

610
00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:06,560
Speaker 1: he was two motherfucker's were kept going with you and Josh,

611
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:10,080
Speaker 1: y'all don't want to that it would be so mad

612
00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:12,240
Speaker 1: there because I love Stackhouse, but I didn't really know

613
00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:13,520
Speaker 1: him like that at the time, so I was just

614
00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:15,560
Speaker 1: kind of this is my first year really rocking links.

615
00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:17,920
Speaker 1: I'm just look, he's mad as fun. At the end

616
00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:20,600
Speaker 1: of the game on the best like he got the

617
00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:23,920
Speaker 1: game six, he came in and hit three threes off

618
00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:26,800
Speaker 1: the start. Yeah, off the ril. You don't want fighting

619
00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:31,480
Speaker 1: back though, yeah, JT. Now now your boys, y'all had him,

620
00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:35,880
Speaker 1: You ain't had nothing to lose. You and Nellie felt

621
00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:37,800
Speaker 1: like ship we won that serious didn't give a about

622
00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:41,760
Speaker 1: the last championship. Wanted he wanted to put he wanted

623
00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:46,560
Speaker 1: sticking to cueue straight and he knew hell he drafted Dirk.

624
00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:49,040
Speaker 1: He found him and he told us everything about that

625
00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:55,200
Speaker 1: and all that man like man put man, put dirt,

626
00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:58,400
Speaker 1: put his little ass in the basket. Man him. He

627
00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:00,719
Speaker 1: would not he would not wrestle with the job. Man.

628
00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:02,880
Speaker 1: It was that. But if you guys did the hell

629
00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:07,880
Speaker 1: of a job bet was was unbelievable. J Rich Like

630
00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:10,560
Speaker 1: I said, I remember Mary, I was meeting him up

631
00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:12,840
Speaker 1: top everything. But that's that that that has a lot

632
00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:14,720
Speaker 1: about that team for the tip of that to happen

633
00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:17,120
Speaker 1: and then come back, how y'all came back, you know

634
00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:19,560
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Yeah, Yeah, we had to. Man, it

635
00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:22,120
Speaker 1: was it was a tough had to make that run.

636
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Speaker 1: You know that that's sometimes that that gets you to

637
00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:27,240
Speaker 1: that next sample. Man, that that that heartache, that that

638
00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:30,320
Speaker 1: defeat and then you come back and you you make

639
00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:34,640
Speaker 1: a strong run. The run you guys had against d

640
00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:37,680
Speaker 1: Wade and oh six. Questionable call. A lot of questionable

641
00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:39,479
Speaker 1: calls in that series. The people kind of still talk

642
00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:42,600
Speaker 1: about to this day. What's what's your perspective on it? Yeah,

643
00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:46,080
Speaker 1: a lot of questionable calls still talk about to this, David,

644
00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:49,480
Speaker 1: I think it was can't take anything away from the one,

645
00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:51,200
Speaker 1: and I think a lot of it. To me, I

646
00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:54,560
Speaker 1: put it on the format which has since changed. Right again,

647
00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:57,120
Speaker 1: when you work hard, and you work hard for home

648
00:30:57,480 --> 00:31:01,760
Speaker 1: court advantage, you shouldn't come back home possibly down you

649
00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:05,200
Speaker 1: know that two three to format. And again even though

650
00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:07,800
Speaker 1: those games in the middle were you know, a lot

651
00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:11,120
Speaker 1: a lot happened. I got suspended the game for hard

652
00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:14,240
Speaker 1: file and um, you know, and I was I'm sitting

653
00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:17,720
Speaker 1: in the you know, you know, sitting in the hotel room,

654
00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:20,720
Speaker 1: knowing that I could make a difference that we would

655
00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:24,000
Speaker 1: have went back home, you know, at least up three too,

656
00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:25,640
Speaker 1: you know, and two of those games, and there was

657
00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:29,160
Speaker 1: some marginal calls that that went against us, but and

658
00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:32,400
Speaker 1: then they had kind of the momentum when we came

659
00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:36,320
Speaker 1: back home, you know, so it was all that shouldn't

660
00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:38,280
Speaker 1: shouldn't feel that type of pressure after you had the

661
00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:40,680
Speaker 1: type of regular season that we had, you know at

662
00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:42,400
Speaker 1: the going up you know too, oh you know, I

663
00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:45,480
Speaker 1: mean that's still but but but looking at it, man,

664
00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:48,200
Speaker 1: we just we got away from the from the game plan.

665
00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:49,960
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, nothing, you know, we know

666
00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:52,920
Speaker 1: that we wanted to um, you know that he was

667
00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:54,560
Speaker 1: a rhythm left and we want to get on his

668
00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:57,640
Speaker 1: right hand, and we didn't do it. And I think

669
00:31:57,680 --> 00:32:00,760
Speaker 1: and ultimately, you know, that call says, I mean, Dain

670
00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:04,840
Speaker 1: had an unbelievable serious. He was great, but you know,

671
00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:07,800
Speaker 1: he shot probably a few more free throws than he

672
00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:10,640
Speaker 1: should have. But you know, and one in particular that

673
00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:13,480
Speaker 1: that that that you know, that basically changed serious. But

674
00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:17,160
Speaker 1: I'm still you know, I've never been one of the

675
00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:19,880
Speaker 1: cry of spill. Mick. Well, it is what it is.

676
00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:22,920
Speaker 1: And you know, we had our opportunities. We didn't see

677
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:26,600
Speaker 1: those opportunities. But they should have changed that format before

678
00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:28,920
Speaker 1: that year, you know, to two one one one, And

679
00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:32,760
Speaker 1: I think we are sitting up here and some some company,

680
00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:36,160
Speaker 1: you know, with some some hardware and some rings. I mean,

681
00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:38,400
Speaker 1: people don't know how hard it is to get back

682
00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:41,920
Speaker 1: to You think you gonna get back because you made

683
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:45,240
Speaker 1: a nice run, but it's just never never that easy again,

684
00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:47,800
Speaker 1: and never made it back. A lot of luck goes out,

685
00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:59,400
Speaker 1: a lot of it. You end up playing eighteen Told

686
00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:01,520
Speaker 1: the Seasons. At what point did you decide it was enough?

687
00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:04,320
Speaker 1: Was it the body or that kind of was pushing

688
00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:08,040
Speaker 1: you out. No, I thought I could have probably could

689
00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:10,640
Speaker 1: have played another year. Um, but it was just some

690
00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:13,800
Speaker 1: other opportunities. I mean, I really got kind of entrenched

691
00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:17,240
Speaker 1: into the business of basketball understanding. You know, at first,

692
00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:21,200
Speaker 1: nobody really was caring about the you know, players Association

693
00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:23,360
Speaker 1: meetings and things like that. We were just running to

694
00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:25,920
Speaker 1: win that they were gonna pass out to the checks,

695
00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:27,640
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. And I think we all

696
00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:30,000
Speaker 1: kind of fell into that trap. And then as I

697
00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:34,760
Speaker 1: got older and understanding that, um, you know that the

698
00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:38,040
Speaker 1: players really have a lot of power and understanding that

699
00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:40,600
Speaker 1: we have to utilize that power. We have to take

700
00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:43,960
Speaker 1: advantage of it. Unlike the NBA, where they have, um,

701
00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:46,920
Speaker 1: you know, the same turnover. You know, those guys are

702
00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:49,520
Speaker 1: there every year. You know, we're like funchible assets. You know,

703
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:51,560
Speaker 1: we leave and then there's new guys, and we really

704
00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:54,960
Speaker 1: don't you know, maintain that institutional knowledge. You know, we

705
00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:57,280
Speaker 1: don't give it back to that other group and they

706
00:33:57,360 --> 00:33:59,160
Speaker 1: have to come and learn it all over again. So

707
00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:02,840
Speaker 1: it was important for me to try to transition into

708
00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:06,280
Speaker 1: doing some things with the p a UM and and

709
00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:09,480
Speaker 1: then I just had an opportunity to to to get

710
00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:11,680
Speaker 1: into coaching, you know, I mean I was always a

711
00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:14,520
Speaker 1: guy that gravitated to the young guys. I used to

712
00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:16,320
Speaker 1: bring the rookies and stay with me when I was

713
00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:18,200
Speaker 1: in Detroit, just to make sure they got the practice

714
00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:21,040
Speaker 1: on time. Um, you know, I would you work out

715
00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:23,239
Speaker 1: with him, showing them different moves, different things like that,

716
00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:27,439
Speaker 1: because I didn't feel threatened by younger players. Nothing. That's

717
00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:29,759
Speaker 1: because I was. That happened to me in Philly, you know,

718
00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:32,480
Speaker 1: I mean had some old heads that you know, didn't

719
00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:34,239
Speaker 1: want to show me anything. Then when I mean I

720
00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:37,200
Speaker 1: was coming off screens getting cracked. You know what I'm saying,

721
00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:40,120
Speaker 1: because I never chased our screens before. I was a powerfulward.

722
00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:42,359
Speaker 1: And now you know, but Verne Max will Man shout

723
00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:44,399
Speaker 1: out to Burn, I'm hooking up with him later the day.

724
00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:47,040
Speaker 1: These shows like man, put put your hand on that

725
00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:52,160
Speaker 1: on his ass, pimp pumpers when he comes you showing pimp, Yeah,

726
00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:53,920
Speaker 1: you shove him from that screen. They don't know if

727
00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:59,000
Speaker 1: it's his momentum, yours pimp and that's him. When when

728
00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:01,239
Speaker 1: when once he talked mean that it was over. I

729
00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:03,919
Speaker 1: was running out in Houston and Ray Allen asked into

730
00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:09,000
Speaker 1: that first role so and so I think just from

731
00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:11,680
Speaker 1: from that, um, you know, I always felt like I

732
00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:13,640
Speaker 1: was gonna get back to those guys. I wasn't gonna

733
00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:15,279
Speaker 1: be one of those bests that then feel like I

734
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:17,360
Speaker 1: was gonna share with the young guys because I was

735
00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:20,360
Speaker 1: threatened by what, you know, what they brought to the table.

736
00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:23,759
Speaker 1: And I think you know that my final year, my

737
00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:26,200
Speaker 1: eighteenth year in Brooklyn, you know, Avery brought me in

738
00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:29,080
Speaker 1: to be more of a coach. You know, in my mind,

739
00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:30,839
Speaker 1: you know, I'm saying all the right thing and coached,

740
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:32,680
Speaker 1: but you know, I wanted to play right, you know.

741
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:34,400
Speaker 1: So as soon as we got out there, and then

742
00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:37,040
Speaker 1: I'm like, man, it's you know, it's the young dudes,

743
00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:40,080
Speaker 1: Marshaun Brooks and you know they said they're talented, but

744
00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:43,439
Speaker 1: they ain't gonna play over me, saying if they're really

745
00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:46,120
Speaker 1: trying to win. So I got out there and again

746
00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:49,120
Speaker 1: even in my final year, I was I was contributing.

747
00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:52,520
Speaker 1: She was in She and Kurt Thomas was in New York.

748
00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:54,719
Speaker 1: There was with the Nick. So we used to meet

749
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:56,960
Speaker 1: up all the time and just like it was like

750
00:35:57,080 --> 00:36:00,879
Speaker 1: our victory tour, you know, our last year. And then um,

751
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:04,279
Speaker 1: from that, I had an opportunity to um, and I

752
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:06,200
Speaker 1: felt like I had to get some separation. I knew

753
00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:09,759
Speaker 1: that I wanted to coach, but they still kind of

754
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:12,120
Speaker 1: we gotta what you got to get that player stink

755
00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:13,879
Speaker 1: off of you a little bit, so to speak, because

756
00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:16,399
Speaker 1: they don't really take you serious as long as you're

757
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:18,719
Speaker 1: still playing. But then once you got I did some

758
00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:22,040
Speaker 1: broadcast and I did XM radio, did some things on

759
00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:24,759
Speaker 1: the NBA TV to stay close to the game, and

760
00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:28,320
Speaker 1: then I got an opportunity, um um to you know,

761
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:31,959
Speaker 1: start my own AU program. I did really well there

762
00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:34,840
Speaker 1: um and they asked Adidas asked me to take a

763
00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:38,319
Speaker 1: team over to Treviso, Italy, and there I was able

764
00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:40,080
Speaker 1: to get in front of a bunch of gms and

765
00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:42,240
Speaker 1: for them to see me coach, and you know, Massa

766
00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:44,839
Speaker 1: Jerry called me. It was like, we're looking to at

767
00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:47,520
Speaker 1: a former player too to our staff, and you know,

768
00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:50,360
Speaker 1: would you be interested in interviewing for the job. I

769
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:53,800
Speaker 1: went up interviewed for the job. You know, Dwane Casey

770
00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:56,960
Speaker 1: hired me. I'm saying learned a lot from case too again,

771
00:36:57,080 --> 00:37:00,200
Speaker 1: just how the management of you know, a business to

772
00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:04,120
Speaker 1: professional the details of how to to to go buy

773
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:06,520
Speaker 1: your business on the day to day basis from from

774
00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:08,919
Speaker 1: a coaching standpoint, I was able to see that first hand.

775
00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:13,120
Speaker 1: And man, then they asked me to coach the G League.

776
00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:16,279
Speaker 1: You know, I went down there and first year out,

777
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:19,239
Speaker 1: you know, we got it done and wanted chip And

778
00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:21,360
Speaker 1: next year we went back to the finals again and

779
00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:25,520
Speaker 1: had an opportunity to actually interview for the for the job.

780
00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:27,040
Speaker 1: You know, I thought I had a good shot at

781
00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:29,399
Speaker 1: getting the Toronto job when they decided to move away

782
00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:32,920
Speaker 1: from case Um they gave it to Nick Nurse and

783
00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:35,359
Speaker 1: then I took an assistant job with Memphis for a year,

784
00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:39,360
Speaker 1: and then Vanderbilt called about, you know, the president of

785
00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:41,920
Speaker 1: the G League who saw me kind of build and

786
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:44,279
Speaker 1: how I went about my business as a team. He

787
00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:48,800
Speaker 1: got the day d job at at Vanderbilt, and he

788
00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:51,920
Speaker 1: called me like, you know, we we where we are.

789
00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:54,600
Speaker 1: We need your development is huge. They understand how we

790
00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:56,719
Speaker 1: got out there on the floor and grinded, and that

791
00:37:56,840 --> 00:37:59,520
Speaker 1: was kind of my message in my interview, and I

792
00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:01,600
Speaker 1: got the job and kind of the rest is history.

793
00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:04,600
Speaker 1: That's where I'm at right now. I love to hear it.

794
00:38:05,719 --> 00:38:07,799
Speaker 1: Quick hitters. Man. First thing to come to mind, let us.

795
00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:11,840
Speaker 1: Know your U n C starting five could be with

796
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:17,520
Speaker 1: you or without you. M hmm, I'm going with Phil

797
00:38:17,640 --> 00:38:23,920
Speaker 1: Ford for sure. Guy, gotta go with Phil. Uh my

798
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:34,040
Speaker 1: first and show h m j Ah, myself, Vince and Cha. No.

799
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:37,880
Speaker 1: I could go a thousand different ways with that. What

800
00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:44,239
Speaker 1: I mean? I could go with H Kenny, M J Vnce, H,

801
00:38:44,719 --> 00:38:50,080
Speaker 1: James Worthy and Sam Perkins. Lord. Hello, that's that. That's

802
00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:54,200
Speaker 1: that second team, a third team. You know, we keep

803
00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:56,839
Speaker 1: keep going with it. Man, that's just so many guys,

804
00:38:57,800 --> 00:39:03,960
Speaker 1: you know, Twine that Mr k plus Gordon League. You

805
00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:06,239
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. I mean, he's going that that

806
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:08,520
Speaker 1: was a bucket, you know. So it's just like, man,

807
00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:13,440
Speaker 1: so so many guys. One night in Vegas. Keywords right here,

808
00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:15,919
Speaker 1: this is key words too. I like to him, all

809
00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:19,320
Speaker 1: expenses paid, three people that you're gonna kick it with

810
00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:27,640
Speaker 1: and Vegas, all expenses paid, three people living or I'm

811
00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:36,640
Speaker 1: going with Muhammad Ali, Malcolm X and Martin Luther King

812
00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:40,480
Speaker 1: one night and what's that movie? One night in uh

813
00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:46,719
Speaker 1: in Miami. Yeah, those are the type I just want

814
00:39:46,719 --> 00:39:48,959
Speaker 1: to get in their mind just a little bit. Ain't

815
00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:51,360
Speaker 1: worried about kicking it? You know what I'm saying, I

816
00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:54,160
Speaker 1: got I don't kick it enough to ain't got to

817
00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:58,600
Speaker 1: do that. Give me some of those major minds, Yes,

818
00:39:58,719 --> 00:40:02,200
Speaker 1: sir Early Malcolm X, you might you might partly live.

819
00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:04,960
Speaker 1: We're gonna kick it a little bit. Yeah, try to

820
00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:09,880
Speaker 1: be able to play or not be somewhere around, you know,

821
00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:17,319
Speaker 1: trying to put a little tune together. Speaking of music,

822
00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:21,480
Speaker 1: one album you can listen to with no skifs uh

823
00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:26,200
Speaker 1: you Madic? Call Madic. Give me an RB album because

824
00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:31,520
Speaker 1: people don't know you sing man that one twelve once

825
00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:34,600
Speaker 1: nice first thing you're doing the morning and the last

826
00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:36,359
Speaker 1: thing you do before you go to bed. I'm going

827
00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:42,640
Speaker 1: straight to the bath from Brown said super Bowl, super Bowl.

828
00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:51,640
Speaker 1: I'm good for the day. And then the last thing.

829
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:56,399
Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm gonna relaxed a little bit. Give

830
00:40:56,400 --> 00:40:59,319
Speaker 1: me a little night cap. Yeah, shut it down, row

831
00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:02,040
Speaker 1: Man Ship piece of advice? Should we give you a

832
00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:05,320
Speaker 1: younger self piece of advice? Man? Just again, probably the

833
00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:07,360
Speaker 1: same thing that I would. Just just listen, you know

834
00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:11,520
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Listen, listen and be patient. Don't try

835
00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:13,640
Speaker 1: to try to rush you, don't try to get there

836
00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:16,600
Speaker 1: too fast. Just just take your time and enjoin and

837
00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:19,400
Speaker 1: I think, you know, so much about getting to the

838
00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:21,360
Speaker 1: next thing. Even when he was in high school, it

839
00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:24,080
Speaker 1: was about getting to college. College is about getting to

840
00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:26,680
Speaker 1: the pros as pros, about getting becoming an All Star,

841
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:29,320
Speaker 1: All Star, about winning the champion, and then it just

842
00:41:29,560 --> 00:41:32,120
Speaker 1: just relax and let it happen. So that's what I

843
00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:35,040
Speaker 1: think I would tell myself that, you know, because I

844
00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:38,239
Speaker 1: probably was more stressed than than I was towards the

845
00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:40,279
Speaker 1: you know, the end of my career. Now. You know,

846
00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:42,560
Speaker 1: people was like, man, you you look younger than you

847
00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:44,200
Speaker 1: did when you played, and I was like, man, I was,

848
00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:48,120
Speaker 1: I had things on my mind. So I just you know,

849
00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:51,040
Speaker 1: now I could just focus on trying to you know,

850
00:41:51,239 --> 00:41:54,120
Speaker 1: show other guys, show these young guys that I'm you know,

851
00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:56,600
Speaker 1: I mean, I got I got great people at Vanderbil

852
00:41:56,640 --> 00:41:59,360
Speaker 1: there to support me since I've been my a d

853
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:02,560
Speaker 1: you know, my chancellor. Man, they see what we're building,

854
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:04,960
Speaker 1: you know, and so it's exciting time for us, and

855
00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:08,600
Speaker 1: we're just ready to um take it to the next level. Man.

856
00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:11,040
Speaker 1: You know, we took took our lunch for for a

857
00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:13,040
Speaker 1: couple of years, and now I got a nucleus. It's

858
00:42:13,080 --> 00:42:15,720
Speaker 1: fun to watch now I got my my older guys

859
00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:18,160
Speaker 1: teaching teaching the younger guys, you know, so it's not

860
00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:20,399
Speaker 1: like we gotta teach everybody. And that's you know, that's

861
00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:23,359
Speaker 1: that's really refreshing when you can, you know, see those

862
00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:25,759
Speaker 1: other guys pulling guys off and showing them how we

863
00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:27,719
Speaker 1: go about our business and how we do things. And

864
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Speaker 1: so I'm expecting the big things in a huge year

865
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Speaker 1: for for my guys. If you can have one guest

866
00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:36,960
Speaker 1: on All the Smoke, who would it be? But you

867
00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:38,560
Speaker 1: have to help us get your answer on the show.

868
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:46,560
Speaker 1: I probably already had him. Oh man, that's damn. That's

869
00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:50,080
Speaker 1: that's a tough one, that bro. I gotta I gotta

870
00:42:50,120 --> 00:42:54,719
Speaker 1: think about that. What I'm saying on the show. He

871
00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:59,759
Speaker 1: has not Man, he has not Wow. And I know

872
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Speaker 1: for a fact, and I don't know. I ain't the biggest,

873
00:43:02,239 --> 00:43:05,040
Speaker 1: but I know my relationship with Mike when I played there,

874
00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:07,680
Speaker 1: and if I had a chance to look him in

875
00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:09,399
Speaker 1: his face and ask him come my show, he would

876
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:12,200
Speaker 1: do it. But sending all these message to everybody else,

877
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:14,520
Speaker 1: it ain't gonna happen. But I've seen him face to face.

878
00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:16,520
Speaker 1: I know he would come on the show. People saying

879
00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:19,880
Speaker 1: Mike ain't come on here. So I'm telling you, trust me.

880
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:21,640
Speaker 1: If I got a chance to get Mike face and

881
00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:23,920
Speaker 1: asked me, he would do it. Mike Reality, y'all think

882
00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:25,960
Speaker 1: no doubt. That's what I just told you. Man, that's

883
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:27,919
Speaker 1: the best thing that you can do. Like I said,

884
00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:30,919
Speaker 1: a lot of go arounds and in betweens, that ain't

885
00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:35,439
Speaker 1: gonna happen to the man. And I'm pretty sure he'll

886
00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:37,040
Speaker 1: be He'll be sitting here. Well, you heard your first

887
00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:43,800
Speaker 1: stackhouse because against him. J Man stat Man, We appreciate

888
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:46,239
Speaker 1: your time here today, best of luck next to you.

889
00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:48,920
Speaker 1: We're gonna be checking out for you. Man, continue blessed,

890
00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:51,960
Speaker 1: appreciate you man, Thank you. Many'll keep doing it. We

891
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:56,440
Speaker 1: got our boys coming up. So he's already talked about him, Man,

892
00:43:57,640 --> 00:44:01,840
Speaker 1: he talked, talked. You know, I do well with former

893
00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:05,319
Speaker 1: former players kids. So yeah, let's I'll take another one,

894
00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:10,040
Speaker 1: thank you man, another two. Yeah, let's just got com Okay,

895
00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:18,759
Speaker 1: let's get smoke. I had word yeah and big bro

896
00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:23,080
Speaker 1: get bigger. Yeah. I think I got those peak still

897
00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:27,040
Speaker 1: old school, a little bit peak for man. Appreciate that

898
00:44:27,120 --> 00:44:29,359
Speaker 1: these are a media and we need like a yeah, yeah,

899
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:37,840
Speaker 1: you're not gonna know what right my mom made like them. No,

900
00:44:38,080 --> 00:44:40,160
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. You're getting back. Going back

901
00:44:45,640 --> 00:44:49,280
Speaker 1: counts on Showtime Basketball, YouTube, and the heart platform Black Effects.

902
00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:50,319
Speaker 1: We'll see y'all next week