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Speaker 1: the s WBC Studios. Welcome in, everybody, another offseason edition
Speaker 1: of your favorite show on Dallas Cowboys dot Com. Rob Phillips,
Speaker 1: Isaiah stand Back, heck My Harrison. We've got Chris Beam
Speaker 1: in the back. No, no bushwhack today. I'm Kyle Yeoman's.
Speaker 1: Actually at the end of the show. Is that the end?
Speaker 1: At the beginning, I thought, okay, I'm just I'm just saying, man,
Speaker 1: Rob your muted? Yeah, yeah, you need to make sure
Speaker 1: yours who mute you about that? That's probably Mickey, you know,
Speaker 1: it was probably stone cold. I bet you that's what
Speaker 1: Col came in here and stunned Rob with this mike button. Yeah,
Speaker 1: how was That's a dream of mine and gets stunned
Speaker 1: by Steve. Really, you were sure that you probably one
Speaker 1: of like seven in the stadium this weekend that did
Speaker 1: good so much, pretty much stunned almost everybody. I think
Speaker 1: heck might even got a stunt at one. No, no, now,
Speaker 1: my insurance was not the bar go in there with that.
Speaker 1: What do you think about? What do you think about
Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame induction of of Taker. We call
Speaker 1: him Undertaker, you call him take take my guy take.
Speaker 1: I wasn't well, I didn't hear from name. Basis, I
Speaker 1: didn't hear from him. It was a busy, it was
Speaker 1: more of a nickname. It's not even I mean Mark
Speaker 1: well Mark Mark call. But he prefers take, you know,
Speaker 1: so I didn't hear from him. But hey man, that
Speaker 1: was that was great. Bring him out. I thought they're
Speaker 1: gonna make him go all the way down to the ring.
Speaker 1: That is a long for those of you that are wondering,
Speaker 1: we are not a wrestle podcast. But WrestleMania was at
Speaker 1: at and T Stadium, and I think every one of
Speaker 1: us got a chance to go at one of them
Speaker 1: two nights, and it was phenomenal. It was so much fun.
Speaker 1: I mean if you missed it, I'm assuming it's gonna
Speaker 1: be back at and T Stadium at some point. You yeah,
Speaker 1: you gotta come. It was a lot of fun. I'm
Speaker 1: not a wrestling guy. I know the stars, I know
Speaker 1: the guys. I'm not big into it. I'll tell you
Speaker 1: that now I might be. Now I loved it. That
Speaker 1: might It was a lot of fun. Man, Let's see
Speaker 1: baseball season coming up. I got I got a couple
Speaker 1: of things. I'm pretty sure you can. You can get
Speaker 1: in the ring. If Johnny Knoxviielle can get in there,
Speaker 1: Logan Paul can get in there, you can do it.
Speaker 1: Even we Man was in there. Somebody want McAfee whenever
Speaker 1: I wore your jersey that one time when I lost
Speaker 1: the bet and I wore the jersey, somebody called me
Speaker 1: a retired I was built like a retired punter. McAfee
Speaker 1: got in there, So I think I have a I
Speaker 1: would absolutely do love to see, should we just who
Speaker 1: would you want him to face? You see Kyle coming
Speaker 1: out of the ring behind with the cheerleaders behind him,
Speaker 1: like the absolutely absolutely I could. Can you do a
Speaker 1: flip off? Get pal drive by? I can hurt myself?
Speaker 1: Who would you face who do you think you have
Speaker 1: a shot at beating? Oh dude, I don't know. I
Speaker 1: don't know any other than I think you can beat Mysterial. No, dude,
Speaker 1: he was flying around you kidding me? He's like one
Speaker 1: hundred seventy two years ago. He went likely he did
Speaker 1: like he can still he can still move. I know, dude.
Speaker 1: It was nuts. When you have a teenage son, you
Speaker 1: get an opportunity to relive your childhood. So, dude, this
Speaker 1: is me reliving my childhood and WrestleMania. And you know,
Speaker 1: I go back to the Sportatorium days and me and
Speaker 1: Nick talk about the von Erics and I've been there.
Speaker 1: S booky, come on, I mean, go back to the
Speaker 1: old junk yard dog days and it's just oh man, god,
Speaker 1: this is that's when it was real, baby, It's still real. Nonet.
Speaker 1: A lot of injuries. You see old boy get hurt.
Speaker 1: Oh I hated that. Yeah. Towards patella, he blew his
Speaker 1: knee out. One of the first guys in the tag
Speaker 1: teams first first match Saturday. Ye first match on Saturday. Yep,
Speaker 1: he had it. He had one of the ussos on
Speaker 1: his back and one of the other USO Brothers jumped
Speaker 1: on his back. He tried to stand up that and
Speaker 1: he said, no, sir, no, sir. I could see Kyle
Speaker 1: getting the ring with who he'd be like and now
Speaker 1: in the blue corner. Oh, I'm the announcer. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: could do that. Yeah, I could totally announce it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you'd be like the Michael Buffer exactly. I wouldn't be
Speaker 1: able to use the same slogan, but I could do that.
Speaker 1: That'd be a lot of fun. They had a guy
Speaker 1: out there for the main event and he'd get to talk.
Speaker 1: But no froment. Oh what a fun time it was WrestleMania.
Speaker 1: If you missed it, gotta go go next time. I
Speaker 1: kind of but we've got a lot to talk about it.
Speaker 1: It's officially draft month. Isaiah has taken a look at
Speaker 1: the Dallas Cowboys Star Magazine Draft Guide, the official draft
Speaker 1: guide of the twenty twenty two draft coming fast. He reads,
Speaker 1: he just written it just right through the whole thing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: just a lot of alignment on his cover, rigging, largely
Speaker 1: by Kyle Yon. Little U not have had something to
Speaker 1: do with putting that u W. I'm just saying it's
Speaker 1: just for you. I try to get North Texas on there,
Speaker 1: but it just didn't work, you know, just couldn't it
Speaker 1: couldn't find one. I tried last year with Jalen Darden.
Speaker 1: Didn't work. Rob. Before we get into draft stuff, we're
Speaker 1: gonna talk plenty about the drafts, some strategies involved, and
Speaker 1: of course what is going on in free agency because
Speaker 1: there's really not a lot going on. We'll talk about
Speaker 1: that in the third segment as well. Let our frustrations
Speaker 1: fly a little bit. But any news and notes going
Speaker 1: on over the last week since we were last on
Speaker 1: the air from a free agent perspective, from anything as
Speaker 1: of right now, not in free agency. Um, it's draft season,
Speaker 1: like we got the is the magazine on sale yet?
Speaker 1: It is at the pro shops okay? And then it
Speaker 1: should be on shelves throughout this weekend okay. Like online
Speaker 1: is right now digital online online, cool, go buy you
Speaker 1: a copy. It's good. Shout out Kyle did a nice
Speaker 1: job on it. Hey, it's draft season. Cowboys started their
Speaker 1: official meetings on Monday. They've been going to Pro Day's
Speaker 1: UM and UH thirty visits are now in full swing
Speaker 1: as well, which finally, for the first time in two years,
Speaker 1: they can actually meet with prospects in person, national prospects,
Speaker 1: So it seems like they're turning their attention that way.
Speaker 1: I don't know if they're done necessarily in free agency,
Speaker 1: but I will say I'm a little surprised that we're
Speaker 1: here on April fifth, fifth and they you know, they've
Speaker 1: they've had two outside signings Saree agency. Well, there was
Speaker 1: a rumor, I don't know how much truth is to
Speaker 1: it that they were trying to be in a DeVante Parker.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, they were looking at he did that. He
Speaker 1: did that. You gotta give credit to New England for
Speaker 1: getting that player. But when there were rumors with that guy,
Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, that's I think that'll maybe that'll
Speaker 1: satisfy the masses. But they did, so it's cricket. So
Speaker 1: far would they trade for him? Was past? It was
Speaker 1: a third or something like that, wasn't it? That's not
Speaker 1: really I mean for a Monthday Parker. Monthday Parker is
Speaker 1: a good player. But I don't know if you could
Speaker 1: say the low is a third round pick. Let me
Speaker 1: find the exact It might have been lesser. Yet it
Speaker 1: might have been a fifth and and I think that's
Speaker 1: what Dallas would probably look at right, maybe trying to
Speaker 1: flap flip one of those fifth round picks because the
Speaker 1: game they've got five of them. It might have been
Speaker 1: a fifth, it might have been from the past twenty
Speaker 1: twenty two fifth round pick from Miami in exchange for
Speaker 1: a twenty twenty three third round pick. Yeah, so you
Speaker 1: traded DeVante Parker and the fifth for next year's third. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean it's not You're right, it's not
Speaker 1: a haul. But he's an impact player. He's a good player. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And I mean there that's a schefter report, and there's
Speaker 1: a difference between cursory interest and real interest. And obviously
Speaker 1: if there was interest didn't get very far. But it
Speaker 1: does show you one that they're looking, they're looking, they
Speaker 1: need help there. Um. I it just I would be
Speaker 1: surprised if wide receivers not a primary target at some point,
Speaker 1: you know, on the first couple of days maybe. And also,
Speaker 1: like I mean, they were ready to move on from
Speaker 1: Maury Cooper. I mean, whether you know that they wanted
Speaker 1: to change it up, and but knowing that they still
Speaker 1: needed to add some help here at that position. And
Speaker 1: I think initially when we were looking at the draft
Speaker 1: and we were having this conversation a couple weeks ago,
Speaker 1: it was sure wide receiver in the first round would
Speaker 1: be enticing. I mean, there's prospects there that could could
Speaker 1: come in and contribute immediately, But it was really second
Speaker 1: third round guys that you really had your eye on
Speaker 1: because you have so many needs elsewhere. But you look
Speaker 1: at the fact that they were looking the trade for
Speaker 1: a DeVante Parker ish type of player. It's not just him.
Speaker 1: I'm sure they probably did their homework on a number
Speaker 1: of guys throughout the NFL. But then you've got the
Speaker 1: confirmed names that have come in or the reported names
Speaker 1: that have come in for the thirty visits. Treylan Burt's
Speaker 1: Arkansas first round player, Chris Olave, Ohio State first round
Speaker 1: player Drake Lundon out a USC first round player. So
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, you're not talking about Day two
Speaker 1: guys at the wide receiver position. You're saying, oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: this might be what they think is their top need
Speaker 1: at the moment. Now, there's other guys, of course, that
Speaker 1: are first round talents that are in the building this
Speaker 1: week for the thirty visits. But how much does it
Speaker 1: change your perception on how the Cowboys could be attacking
Speaker 1: this draft class and that sounds just absolutely crazy to me.
Speaker 1: We're even talking about a wide receiver in the first
Speaker 1: round right now with some of the other needs that
Speaker 1: we have. But Kyle, for me, it's the philosophical difference
Speaker 1: between what the Cowboys are doing right now and what
Speaker 1: the other thirty one teams are doing. And I think
Speaker 1: I wasn't surprised that it was Crickets for free agency
Speaker 1: and that we were going to go about it the
Speaker 1: way that we would. I mean, just think back to
Speaker 1: the Alden Smith signing and some of those I mean,
Speaker 1: we were not trying to make any splashes in free
Speaker 1: agency during that time. So the guys that we got,
Speaker 1: even that Parker, I thought that was someone. Then obviously
Speaker 1: to me antenna we are still hunting and trying to
Speaker 1: bring players in, and obviously there's so many different things
Speaker 1: that we don't know, and they're not going to expose
Speaker 1: their hand. But I just feel like, you know, Isaiah,
Speaker 1: when you look at two teams that finished in the
Speaker 1: Super Bowl for the Rams and you look at the
Speaker 1: Cincinnati Bengals, the philosophical differences between those two players. The
Speaker 1: Rams are a blank check team, you know, come in
Speaker 1: sign let's go. You want to play? You know you
Speaker 1: got cut from your think, Hey, come on, Cincinnati. The
Speaker 1: Brown family is not going to pay you. That's just
Speaker 1: their philosophy. They are not going to do that. But still,
Speaker 1: after having so many years of not being a good team,
Speaker 1: they bring in those first Now, obviously you're able to
Speaker 1: compete at that level. The Cowboys feel as though they
Speaker 1: have a core together and they just want to build
Speaker 1: around what they have. So those thirty visits, I think
Speaker 1: they're important. If you look over the history of the
Speaker 1: thirty visits, some of those guys we've drafted, and so
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be surprised if there are guys in the
Speaker 1: building right now that may be here. I'm just hoping
Speaker 1: that it's in the form of a linebacker. While I
Speaker 1: receive a linebacker our edge office alignment, please and thank you.
Speaker 1: I am not surprised. That doesn't mean that I like it, right,
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't. I don't like it. I don't well,
Speaker 1: and again to your point, heck, but they're not going
Speaker 1: to expose their hands. They want to figure out who
Speaker 1: these guys are. I was one of the guys that
Speaker 1: came on a visit. You at this time of the year.
Speaker 1: You know, guys are flying all over the place. It's
Speaker 1: cool to get in meet these guys, have an idea
Speaker 1: of who they are characteristic wise, personality wise, who with
Speaker 1: what type of player do you have as a person
Speaker 1: because through the processing, you know, I don't know what
Speaker 1: the combine was like this year in terms of meetings
Speaker 1: and all that jazz. Normal, Okay, So I mean you
Speaker 1: get a little bit of a time with guys, but
Speaker 1: you don't really have a true understanding of who they are.
Speaker 1: You get a number of formal meetings, you get about
Speaker 1: forty five of them, and then you've got ten minutes
Speaker 1: with the players like a speed dating. So it's exactly
Speaker 1: why it is to speed dating. So I mean, you
Speaker 1: don't understand whose guys are until you get a chance
Speaker 1: to bring them in. And from that point forward, Man,
Speaker 1: you know, we don't know who Dallas is thinking about drafting.
Speaker 1: We would like to hope that they're that they're going
Speaker 1: to try to feel these holes. You bring up some
Speaker 1: of these highly competitive teams that were successful as past
Speaker 1: year and thinking about the Rams. Guess what they're filling
Speaker 1: their gaps, filling their major holes, right, I mean and
Speaker 1: they're adding big time players on top of the already
Speaker 1: existing big time players. You need some bread, right now,
Speaker 1: take this money. Right. They've given up a lot too, don't.
Speaker 1: They've given up a lot, a lot, but they've added
Speaker 1: to absolutely, they've given up a time those gaps, all right.
Speaker 1: I mean they just signed the best linebacker in football
Speaker 1: to play with the best defensive lignment in football. Yeah,
Speaker 1: if not the best player in football. Right, So they're
Speaker 1: they're taking those big shots. You think about Cincinnati, Cincinnati,
Speaker 1: everybody was surprised at how far they were able to
Speaker 1: get this past year, right, even with the giving up
Speaker 1: nine Saxon game or whatever it was. But guess what
Speaker 1: they did. Oh, let's go out here and let's take
Speaker 1: care of that position. Since that's where we struggled that
Speaker 1: this year. Let's address that right now. Let's I leave
Speaker 1: it up to the draft. Let's go out here and
Speaker 1: get some veterans that are proving that we know, go
Speaker 1: out here in ball and add to our team. Let's
Speaker 1: solidify that, and then let's see and see what we
Speaker 1: have left over so we can address those other areas
Speaker 1: that aren't as gleaming. And that's why I'm I am
Speaker 1: a little surprised. I mean, look, they're never going to
Speaker 1: be a huge spenders and free Agenci's not the way
Speaker 1: they do it unless they change course in the next
Speaker 1: few years. But I am surprising that there's two been
Speaker 1: two outside signings at this point James Washington wide receiver
Speaker 1: and Dante Fowler junior at the edge spot. And we're
Speaker 1: talking about all these positions that if they take a
Speaker 1: guy at twenty four at two three different spots, four
Speaker 1: different spots, you'd be like, yeah, yeah, that's a big need,
Speaker 1: you know, Like they have not and there's still twenty
Speaker 1: three days to the draft. So I'm not saying they're
Speaker 1: done in free agency. Hell, they need a kicker. I mean,
Speaker 1: they got to bring a guy to kick. But and
Speaker 1: maybe that's something they look at the draft too, potentially,
Speaker 1: but they're not covered the way they normally are leading
Speaker 1: into the draft. Yet if you look at offensive line,
Speaker 1: you look at wide receiver in particular, and I'm just
Speaker 1: I'm I went and I looked back at the signings
Speaker 1: they made last year, Jayron Curse, Demante Casey, count O'Neil,
Speaker 1: Carlos Watkins, Brent Urban, Terrell Basham. They were all agreeded
Speaker 1: terms they're signed by by March twenty fifth. I mean
Speaker 1: usually they're a little more active than they've been. Again,
Speaker 1: I don't know if they're done, but it's getting on
Speaker 1: towards the draft now. I think there's certain positions where
Speaker 1: they feel like, well, yeah, we can afford to see
Speaker 1: what the draft holds and then we can circle back
Speaker 1: to that position. They might be doing that too. So
Speaker 1: you made this statement that organizations, including the Dallas Cowboys,
Speaker 1: just don't spend that type of free agent money. That's
Speaker 1: their culture, that's the way they operate. But has it
Speaker 1: been successful, And you know what I'm saying it are
Speaker 1: people okay with them staying with it? This is who
Speaker 1: I am, and this is why we're gonna go about
Speaker 1: it because this is way we've always done it. But
Speaker 1: we haven't won a championship in how long. But you
Speaker 1: haven't won a championship doing it the other way either.
Speaker 1: You haven't with signing those big free agents you have
Speaker 1: unless somebody did it though like that, I'm just saying,
Speaker 1: look at it, look at it just outside of the Cowboys,
Speaker 1: because yes, any argument you have with the Cowboys specifically
Speaker 1: is hey, you haven't won one in twenty six years.
Speaker 1: Doesn't matter whether you've done it or not. You haven't. Yeah,
Speaker 1: look at some of the other teams in the way
Speaker 1: that they've won it. If you're looking more recently, it's
Speaker 1: a volatile, aggressive rams sort of deal where they went
Speaker 1: after it and they were the complete opposite of the Cowboys.
Speaker 1: Forget the draft, let's go get free agency real quick.
Speaker 1: And they're almost the complete opposite of everybody. Yeah, there's
Speaker 1: really not another team that's is as aggressive as they are.
Speaker 1: And it came very close to not working, but it worked.
Speaker 1: So it worked. So hello, you know, I mean they
Speaker 1: have the Trump card over everybody and how they come
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it came real close. Tampa did it right,
Speaker 1: Timpa went on to spend money and got all their guys. Okay,
Speaker 1: so they piece together their team immediately. But Tampa, Tampa
Speaker 1: did exactly what Cincinnati would have done building through the
Speaker 1: draft by having those bad teams and then you have
Speaker 1: a Chamis Winston had a good team. That's that's that's true.
Speaker 1: They were bad and then Brady gets there and then
Speaker 1: also on top of it, you know TV twelve, Hey
Speaker 1: I'll come, yeah, I'll come play with you because I'll
Speaker 1: take a little less and that was the only difference.
Speaker 1: That was the only difference between them winning the championship
Speaker 1: and JPP and some other guys. But they had a
Speaker 1: lot of dues, you know what I say. So like
Speaker 1: they they added like immediately, like okay, yeah we have
Speaker 1: a solid team. Okay, Cowboys having a solid base. But
Speaker 1: on top of that solid base, you gotta add some dogs.
Speaker 1: I was pissed off when I found out Bobby signed
Speaker 1: for ten a year. Yeah, I was pissed. Dad has
Speaker 1: had tend to sign him. They had Timmy and I
Speaker 1: was as sign him. They had it. It wasn't the
Speaker 1: fifteen to sixteen we sat here and talked about a
Speaker 1: week at three ago. Yeah, they had Timmy and I
Speaker 1: was as signed that, dude. I'm freaking the best in
Speaker 1: the league, the best, No, I hear you. And and
Speaker 1: they they did have interest. But again it's it's what
Speaker 1: he wants to What do they have slot slotted, you know,
Speaker 1: to spend And I did. I will say Todd Archer
Speaker 1: made a good point. I know, I know. I'll just
Speaker 1: throw this out there. Todd Archer made a good point
Speaker 1: last week from ESPN when he talked about how at
Speaker 1: the linebacker spot they play a lot of big nickel.
Speaker 1: They play three safeties a lot of the time. It's
Speaker 1: almost kind of like their bass. And so you got
Speaker 1: Mica playing all the snaps. How much does your second
Speaker 1: third linebacker play? Is it worth that mini million per year?
Speaker 1: But I'm not But but dan Quinn, you know Dan Quicken.
Speaker 1: So you can make it work, and he would he
Speaker 1: would adjust his scheme based around having Bobby Wagner on
Speaker 1: your team. My psychology is, if you have an opportunity, now,
Speaker 1: not just Bobby, just any impact player like that, every
Speaker 1: down linebacker, right, we're just taking that particular example, every
Speaker 1: down linebacker who just has been the best in the
Speaker 1: league for some years, aside from what from Carolina was
Speaker 1: at Coogly or whatever. I can't pronounce the last name, sorry,
Speaker 1: but those are the only two Cats that you can
Speaker 1: even consider for being the best linebacker in the league
Speaker 1: over the past ten years. Yeah, ten years. Okay, you
Speaker 1: got opportunity to secure him. Now he's an LA Cat.
Speaker 1: He probably want to go home all that jazz. Okay,
Speaker 1: there's that aspect. And he goes back to what you
Speaker 1: said when they won, and the Rams have now the
Speaker 1: possibility of saying, hey, look what we've got. Plus LA
Speaker 1: is not a bad place to live here, and he
Speaker 1: say he's an LA kid. And plus you're playing with Oh,
Speaker 1: by the way, you're playing with the best player of
Speaker 1: the past, however long. But as Yeah, that's why I
Speaker 1: said from the beginning, it's the philosophical difference. And I
Speaker 1: think Steven Jones has gotten to the point where he's
Speaker 1: just like, look, I am not going to pay another
Speaker 1: player to go into hybrid hybernation mode. And soon as
Speaker 1: he gets paid, and we've seen that too often, especially
Speaker 1: with aging players. I'm not saying that Bobby Wagner is washed.
Speaker 1: I'm telling I think that he did have some juice left,
Speaker 1: but it just didn't fit for what we're doing right now.
Speaker 1: And let's take an examination of the teams that have
Speaker 1: had success. The Patriots, what if they continuously built it
Speaker 1: on on the fund on the foundation of having an
Speaker 1: edge guy, a guy in the middle, and one good cornerback.
Speaker 1: Last year, what did they do last year? They got
Speaker 1: in preparation for this coming year. They knew they weren't
Speaker 1: gonna win it last year, But what do they do
Speaker 1: last year? They spent the most money Doings ever spent
Speaker 1: in free agency where at tight end. This is this
Speaker 1: is what I'm saying they for if we went out
Speaker 1: and spent big money on a tight end, everybody would say,
Speaker 1: what do you? What do you? Would you? But that's
Speaker 1: so that's their foundation, right Like they've won both off
Speaker 1: of having solid tight end. That's the change that I'm
Speaker 1: talking about right there, And that's what I'm saying. If
Speaker 1: you look at the Cowboys and the way that they're
Speaker 1: put together. Everybody's talking about the uh coup being gone,
Speaker 1: but nobody's pointing to the fact that we Tone Pollard
Speaker 1: and everything that we've begged him to be as a player.
Speaker 1: If you look around the league, look at Deebo Samuels,
Speaker 1: the way that they use him, Tony Pollard. If Kellen
Speaker 1: Moore can use him in a system just like that,
Speaker 1: he can give you everything you need from an offensive standpoint.
Speaker 1: I still keep saying, who wants to get on the
Speaker 1: bus with Planca? Because you have something on your defense
Speaker 1: that you can build around, just like you could build
Speaker 1: around it on the rams. You got the same thing
Speaker 1: here philosophically, right, if we want to look at from
Speaker 1: that perspective, Okay, the Dallas Cowboys have been most successful
Speaker 1: when what position group is an absolute dog, offensive freaking line.
Speaker 1: But that's all you have going back to the offensive
Speaker 1: freaking line, right, if that's what you want to go
Speaker 1: back to and say this is our foundation New England
Speaker 1: tight ends, right, whatever, all these other organizations. Okay, Dallas Cowboys,
Speaker 1: your olfen offensive line as a freaking dog. Nobody wants
Speaker 1: to face them. They're massive, they're huge, They're gonna drive
Speaker 1: you into the ground. They're gonna pass block all day long.
Speaker 1: Do the Cowboys have that right now? And have they
Speaker 1: been aggressive this offseason trying to solidify them as their character? Again,
Speaker 1: that's why I'm surprised because maybe they're not done again.
Speaker 1: But but I'm a little surprised at guard that there's
Speaker 1: not a vet in here to at least cover yourself
Speaker 1: before the draft. But again, I mean they're there. They
Speaker 1: will drop hence by what they don't do. Like last
Speaker 1: year in free agency, you know that. I think they
Speaker 1: resigned Jordan Lewis at the cornerback position, but they didn't
Speaker 1: really do much else. Well, they wanted a corner in
Speaker 1: the first ten picks and it didn't work. But then
Speaker 1: they got Kelvin Joseph right after that. So maybe they're
Speaker 1: waiting for that in the first two three rounds, maybe
Speaker 1: the first round, or maybe they're waiting too, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: to be able to meet these guys and see, hey
Speaker 1: we like the wide receivers, or hey, we like these
Speaker 1: guards Zion Johnson and Kenyon Green that we're bringing in.
Speaker 1: Heckman brings up a phenomenal point. And the fact is
Speaker 1: is there maybe a little bit of a lingering back
Speaker 1: of the mind voice to Stephen Jones saying, I just
Speaker 1: don't want to make the same mistake again. That's a
Speaker 1: huge thing, because again, though what mistakes I'm just saying,
Speaker 1: like not maybe again, but no, I'm more no, no,
Speaker 1: keep going the other point, keep throwing names in that
Speaker 1: because you're not finished yet. And that did not fan out.
Speaker 1: Big name free agents are big contracts to veterans. That
Speaker 1: doesn't necessarily work out. Look at the way you're in
Speaker 1: your salary cap trouble right now. Look at your running back.
Speaker 1: Your running back has been banged up. See okay, that's
Speaker 1: that's that's one of your keeping your own guys, because
Speaker 1: you ain't got the big old line, but you want
Speaker 1: to you you want the old lineback. You want the
Speaker 1: old lineback. But the philosophy on offense is a little
Speaker 1: bit different one. You can't do anything successful in this
Speaker 1: league without having assauli offensive line. Cincinnati is the freaking
Speaker 1: why why do you say that? Why? I mean, but
Speaker 1: your quarterback took ten sacks a game and he just
Speaker 1: happens to be a dog and have a receiver that
Speaker 1: was a dog, he can make. The reason Cincinnati made
Speaker 1: it is because Tennessee forgot to run the ball. Facts. Okay,
Speaker 1: so there's but even if I they even got that far,
Speaker 1: well in Cincinnati could run the ball too, even without
Speaker 1: that offensive line. Kansas City, for Kansas City has done
Speaker 1: it for years on the end, without that great wall
Speaker 1: of Dallas that you talk personally, will be more than satisfied.
Speaker 1: If Dallas had up to this point, now they still
Speaker 1: may happen, right, well, we don't know the what ifs,
Speaker 1: but up to this point, had Dallas just went all
Speaker 1: in at old line, just drinking, just chip buttime to
Speaker 1: this point said at that point we're in the second way.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be the draft if they're gonna make a
Speaker 1: splash at this point. Um, But to your point, like
Speaker 1: when if they spent tons and tons like as long
Speaker 1: as I've been here. The last big signing they had
Speaker 1: was Brandon Carr in twenty twelve is fifty million, ten
Speaker 1: years ago, ten years ago. And then I got to
Speaker 1: go back to like two thousand and five and I
Speaker 1: was interning here and they signed Jason Ferguson, Jason Ferguson,
Speaker 1: Marco Rivera, and Anthony Henry on the same day, and
Speaker 1: they had press conferences for all three guys, Like that's
Speaker 1: the last time they really dug deep and spent on
Speaker 1: outside free agents, and they don't really do their count. No,
Speaker 1: it didn't, didn't know it didn't. But like this is
Speaker 1: why I think I'm not saying it's it's not a
Speaker 1: sound strategy, because I think draft develop especially when you
Speaker 1: are when you sign a quarterback to this much money,
Speaker 1: you have to be mindful of the rest of your cap.
Speaker 1: Like Dax's cap figures going to jump to almost like
Speaker 1: fifty million next year apparently according to spoke Track and
Speaker 1: all that, So you got to be mindful of that,
Speaker 1: even with an expected cap spike maybe by ten fifteen
Speaker 1: million again next year. But I do think to your point,
Speaker 1: I think there can be a balance in Hey, let's
Speaker 1: go be a little more aggressive because the guys that
Speaker 1: have parted, they've parted ways with they sign their own
Speaker 1: guys to big deals and they're not here anymore. Amari Cooper,
Speaker 1: Jalen Smith, Lyle Collins. It took Tank reworking his deal
Speaker 1: to come back, Like, it doesn't always work with your
Speaker 1: own guys that you draft and develop and resign. So
Speaker 1: can you be a little bit more balanced, Like, I
Speaker 1: think there is something to that. I think that's the
Speaker 1: right answer is it's not one way or the owner.
Speaker 1: There's no right answer. Everybody can look at the rams
Speaker 1: and say they went one percent one direction and that's
Speaker 1: just forget the draft only focus on free agency. That
Speaker 1: worked one time doesn't mean it's a success for the
Speaker 1: future sort of deal. However, you have to have a mixture.
Speaker 1: You can't just rely on the draft and just completely
Speaker 1: forget about free agency either. And right now up until
Speaker 1: this point, like you said, things can change, and it
Speaker 1: sure could change by the next time we're on air
Speaker 1: next week. We could have some guys that we're talking about. However,
Speaker 1: new stuff this week, you know exactly, Yeah, but you
Speaker 1: haven't had that mixture at the moment. Yahips, All right,
Speaker 1: let's take a break. When we come back, let's talk
Speaker 1: about what the strategy could be with the NFL draft.
Speaker 1: What roadmap do you guys want to lay out for
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Speaker 1: roll back in the day Kyle's getting I am not
Speaker 1: Brian Broddest, I'll tell you that much, but I try
Speaker 1: my best man. Thanks doing what I can this. I
Speaker 1: hope it I hope it helps. It's it's a lot
Speaker 1: of information, for sure, and there's a lot of people
Speaker 1: that contributed as well. You contributed, Rob, not much, not
Speaker 1: much to cheer, Milo graphic designer, the whole graphics team. Real,
Speaker 1: they put it all together. It's a great magazine, great look,
Speaker 1: great information. Isaiah sold it with the van a white wheel.
Speaker 1: My cousin went on that show and walked away with nothing,
Speaker 1: really nothing, man, how do you get up there and
Speaker 1: walk away with you? No? You hit the bankrupt, right?
Speaker 1: I would have spent it. Always always picture myself getting
Speaker 1: up there and spinning the heck out of that. Is
Speaker 1: it will of fortune? Of the prices? Right, I'm thinking
Speaker 1: prices right, are Yeah? No, yeah, you think of price,
Speaker 1: Bob Barker. I feel like that will of fortune. My
Speaker 1: fault that shows easier to walk away from with nothing
Speaker 1: than wheel of fortune is will of fortune there at
Speaker 1: least like hey, here's a grand like here's a thousand
Speaker 1: dollars to cover your travel. But I used to want
Speaker 1: to spend the crap out of that dog on wheel. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I wanted, I wanted, I want to do a vertical
Speaker 1: jump up there and just pull it all the way down,
Speaker 1: eat like a whole steak. The day before you were
Speaker 1: such a show off, dude, can you break the wheel?
Speaker 1: The wheel? The wheel is the audience. You're up there
Speaker 1: asking what is the record for the amount of time? Yeah, exactly, Lord, Um,
Speaker 1: anybody running the draft day five k By the way,
Speaker 1: I'll be out there. No, I don't run that far.
Speaker 1: Me and my fiance will be running it. All right,
Speaker 1: that's good, awesome support you. I will clap oh quickly.
Speaker 1: How was in New York? Oh? It was great. It
Speaker 1: was a lot of fun. First time up like your
Speaker 1: photo shoot. Thanks man. Yeah, it was twenty three degrees
Speaker 1: with a windshill of thirteen. I'm sorry, Yeah it was
Speaker 1: third real field was thirteen degrees and I was in
Speaker 1: a suit that was basically what last week? What I'm
Speaker 1: in right now? Yeah, last week. H just a random
Speaker 1: day and it's ninety two degrees here in Dallas day Yep,
Speaker 1: it was eighty five that day. It was the worst.
Speaker 1: It was so cold, interesting, unbelievably cold. Though. Love will
Speaker 1: make you do crazy thing. Yeah, I mean he we
Speaker 1: scheduled it. We put down the deposit and paid the money.
Speaker 1: So I was doing it a photos shoot though, how
Speaker 1: don't you do that in those busy streets, which, by
Speaker 1: the way, walking across the sidewalk puts me to shame again,
Speaker 1: just like the engagement story put me to shame. Man
Speaker 1: hat All for your engagement photos. He has film studied though,
Speaker 1: you know he has film study. He has a lot
Speaker 1: of you know, other people. He can listen to learn
Speaker 1: from the best. That's what it was. You guys are
Speaker 1: the best to My wedding photos were in black and white,
Speaker 1: so you are. That's how long I didn't have waiting? Really,
Speaker 1: you have like the camera. I didn't have a wedding.
Speaker 1: I have to make that up this year. So if
Speaker 1: anybody has any connects on a wedding venue, you get
Speaker 1: are you getting? Wait? We never we never had a
Speaker 1: wedding what what? What? Yeah, we never had a wedding
Speaker 1: what Wait a minute, So this is the year on
Speaker 1: Lorena works at a wedding venue. I trained her boss.
Speaker 1: That's true. What are you talking about? That place is
Speaker 1: booked out for like the next seventeen years. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: why we're waiting. Um, all right, enough of that talk,
Speaker 1: But let a Verse. Congratulations. Um, what if the roadmap
Speaker 1: the Cowboys could use in the draft. I mean, if
Speaker 1: you're looking at early picks, we just talked about offensive
Speaker 1: line wide receiver as potentials there they'll use a book.
Speaker 1: You can use a book, Yeah, for sure, use it.
Speaker 1: Wide receiver. Offensive line? Is that the go to front
Speaker 1: runner in the first round of this draft? And if
Speaker 1: it's not, what else could it be? A line? Hopefully?
Speaker 1: I just think those are the two spots that you
Speaker 1: and you made differ in terms of how deep those
Speaker 1: positions are. Yeah, but just in terms of looking at
Speaker 1: the roster, those two spots jump out to me first
Speaker 1: like guard maybe center competition, offensive tackle depth slash competition,
Speaker 1: and then obviously the wide receiver depth jump out at
Speaker 1: me first. Now, whether you want to go there with
Speaker 1: one two in the in the draft rounds, that's another story.
Speaker 1: What do you think need versus best player available? Has
Speaker 1: always been the mystery leading up to the draft. And
Speaker 1: when Ceedee Lamb failed and you needed a safety, you
Speaker 1: needed an edge Russia, what did you do you got
Speaker 1: a wide receiver? Jerry has already said it. You know,
Speaker 1: unless we have some of those special players that are there,
Speaker 1: and you know, how wacky the draft is. Some team
Speaker 1: will bite off of a player that they think it's
Speaker 1: potentially better, and a guy will fall. That's just how
Speaker 1: we just got so lucky with Micah. I mean, that
Speaker 1: draft could be done all over again. They would rethink
Speaker 1: the whole thing from the heavens. You know you got
Speaker 1: Come on, you just call it how it is, Pete.
Speaker 1: You're on my side now, see you get it. You
Speaker 1: get it, Pete. Anyway, sure, I'm just saying, though, you know,
Speaker 1: if we've ever really disagreed on that honestly, like I mean,
Speaker 1: I think you cannot reach, but just pecially the first round,
Speaker 1: you get yourself in trouble doing. Just think if Micah
Speaker 1: had an opportunity to go to Indie and run and
Speaker 1: go on those visits anyway, hypothetically, You're right. I'm just saying,
Speaker 1: best player available. What we need right now is an
Speaker 1: offensive lineman. We have got to get that competitive going
Speaker 1: back to Oxnard. And that's what made them good coming
Speaker 1: out of Oxnard. It's just how competitive it was. I'm
Speaker 1: not sold on Connor McGovern and I don't think any
Speaker 1: of you guys. I don't think the coaching staff is either. Okay,
Speaker 1: So that means that we definitely need to be looking
Speaker 1: at the left guard position. I don't want a left
Speaker 1: guard hybrid. I don't want a guy that was good
Speaker 1: at this this This isn't it. Were you a left
Speaker 1: guard in college and did you play the hell out
Speaker 1: of it? That's what I want. I at that guy,
Speaker 1: you know. And on the other Zion Johnson, Kenyan Green,
Speaker 1: what'd you just name there? They played other positions, but
Speaker 1: they were guards, like that was their d Yeah, Like
Speaker 1: Kenny Green's not a tackle the pill, but they played it.
Speaker 1: But and this is I'm sure this has been a
Speaker 1: discussion on the Draft show. But then it brings up
Speaker 1: the point of, Okay, what if Tyler Lenderbaum is sitting
Speaker 1: there at twenty four, best center in the class, arguably
Speaker 1: the best interior offensive lineman in the draft didn't really
Speaker 1: he didn't play guard, but he could upgrade your center
Speaker 1: spot potentially. I mean, that's that's a pickle, you know,
Speaker 1: But I stay true to who I am and if
Speaker 1: you believe in if you believe in your center, and don't,
Speaker 1: I don't know if they're sold on him as well,
Speaker 1: but he comes acclaimed just as Linda Baum did out
Speaker 1: of Iowa. And you still got to try and figure
Speaker 1: out how to get better on defense. I think if
Speaker 1: Linda Baum is there, you look to the defense and
Speaker 1: say who's better on defense. That's just how I feel
Speaker 1: about it. The one thing about Linderbaum that's different than
Speaker 1: Tyler beatis just out of the fact that they both
Speaker 1: won that trophy. They both won the Rimington Trophy. But
Speaker 1: Linderbaum is a much more polished player coming out of
Speaker 1: college than Beotish was. But now you've had two years
Speaker 1: of Beotish and it's like, Okay, has he gotten more
Speaker 1: polished the way that you kind of anticipated him too.
Speaker 1: He's had the experience he started the majority of the
Speaker 1: game since he came into the NFL. But Linderbaum is
Speaker 1: still better, is the big thing. And he's of course younger,
Speaker 1: and he's coming out of college. It's a first round
Speaker 1: prospect versus a fourth round prospect. But really, you look
Speaker 1: at the two compared, Linderbaum is better overall. However, I
Speaker 1: agree with you and the fact that even if Linderbaum
Speaker 1: is there, you still have to look at the rest
Speaker 1: of your board and see how it lines up with
Speaker 1: your knee. We need guys to play right now. Linder
Speaker 1: Bamb's that guy. Okay, that's right about that. We need
Speaker 1: right now, guys, we don't need a you are a
Speaker 1: developmental guy. We're gonna see you like, can you get
Speaker 1: off the bus with a helmet and ready to play?
Speaker 1: That's that's period. I would say offensive lineman in that
Speaker 1: category is Linder, Bam, ken Yon Green, and maybe Zion Johnson.
Speaker 1: Zion Johnson could do it, but he's a little bit
Speaker 1: more of a project than the other two out of BC,
Speaker 1: out of Boston College. Yes, so those are those are
Speaker 1: the guys that are there. So Heckman's offensive line heavy,
Speaker 1: which I'm right there with you. What are you thinking?
Speaker 1: Two office, a lineman and a linebacker first three picks?
Speaker 1: That's what That's what I'm looking forward now. So you're
Speaker 1: going guard, offensive tackle possibly, yes, okay, or maybe offensive
Speaker 1: tackle Guarden. No wide receivers, leaving that up to you
Speaker 1: can find for you can find wide receivers in free agency, okay,
Speaker 1: I feel like you can. I feel like it's very
Speaker 1: difficult to find office ave linemen in this league. It
Speaker 1: is very freaking difficult. Is that is? That's tough. So
Speaker 1: if you have a sure thing in terms of being
Speaker 1: able to grab that in the draft. Grab it because
Speaker 1: you can always find skill position always, and if your
Speaker 1: offensive coordinator is as good as everybody's telling him to be,
Speaker 1: then freaking you can find a skill guy that's sitting
Speaker 1: on the street or sitting at the crib. No I hear,
Speaker 1: and they usually wide receiver is not a position that
Speaker 1: right off the bat. I mean, it can take some
Speaker 1: time for guys to develop at that position, although they've
Speaker 1: had success there and that's why I kind of think
Speaker 1: they're going to go that route at some point. I
Speaker 1: just think that's fact opposite about the wide receiver position. Really,
Speaker 1: I think guys are ready to come in because of
Speaker 1: the scheme. I think the college scheme and pro scheme aligned.
Speaker 1: So that's why I think guys in college would be
Speaker 1: ready to come in and contribute. I mean they've had
Speaker 1: success though to your point, I mean CD came in
Speaker 1: and played well. Gallup came in and it took him
Speaker 1: a little time, but he got better and better his
Speaker 1: rookie season and then took off in year two and
Speaker 1: then Cedric Wilson in around six. Like, I think they
Speaker 1: think they can hit on that position. I would say
Speaker 1: offensive line, interior, offensive line and wide receiver, and this
Speaker 1: appears to be a some what deep edge rusher class.
Speaker 1: It is so um, I think they need to look
Speaker 1: there too, because if you wait too long, you're not
Speaker 1: gonna find a guy that's going to really be an
Speaker 1: impact player. There. Yeah, is as deep as it usually is.
Speaker 1: Even even if you wait later into first round, you
Speaker 1: may not find a really impact guy. Just to add
Speaker 1: to Isaiah's point, a couple of moments ago, free agent
Speaker 1: wide receivers, these are just the top three names that
Speaker 1: I could find Odell Beckham juniors out there, A J. Greene,
Speaker 1: and Sammy Watkins. Those are the three big names that
Speaker 1: are still there that will probably come in and be
Speaker 1: starters on your team. The rest of the guys are
Speaker 1: probably still dead. I mean, but I mean, but you know,
Speaker 1: you just need a scheme guy. Landry is still out
Speaker 1: there too, By the way, you just need a scheme guy.
Speaker 1: I like Landry a lot. I think I mentioned that
Speaker 1: a couple weeks ago play he could throw like Cedric Wilson. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but Kellen Moore Andre has has made it very apparent
Speaker 1: that I could take good players and fit them in
Speaker 1: our system in initial work, right, So my whole thing
Speaker 1: is where can you be dominant. We keep talking about
Speaker 1: this passing game, and we need to get dominant in
Speaker 1: the running game. Okay, Dallas Cowboys can't win anything unless
Speaker 1: they're dominant in the running I'm sorry, you can say
Speaker 1: whatever the heck you want to. Dallas Cowboys historically and
Speaker 1: now can't be dominant in this league unless they have
Speaker 1: an efficient, effective, dominant running game. You got freaky Zeki
Speaker 1: in the backfield, you got TP in the backfield. They
Speaker 1: can't just make holes. They can make people miss. They
Speaker 1: can run over a couple of guys, but guess what,
Speaker 1: there's more guys coming, So you might want to get
Speaker 1: off as a line that can move some people out
Speaker 1: the freaking way. Once you get that, then your quarterback,
Speaker 1: who we know is a play action quarterback, Dak Prescott.
Speaker 1: He is most successful when he has play action. Then
Speaker 1: he can be as effective as you want him to
Speaker 1: be in terms of paying him with all his money.
Speaker 1: Correct the mundo and I agree also with a blocking
Speaker 1: tight end. I think when you can get a tight
Speaker 1: end in later rounds, I'm not talking about those early rounds,
Speaker 1: but later rounds. And you know, the guy that I'm
Speaker 1: excited about from Iowa State, Charlie kolar let's go. I
Speaker 1: just I just believe he's a willing blocker. And right now,
Speaker 1: if there's any knock that you have on Schultze is
Speaker 1: the fact that he is just not a blocker. All right.
Speaker 1: The guy's great and what he does in coverage, but
Speaker 1: anytime this team, going back to what you're talking about,
Speaker 1: if you're gonna stay with the run, you recognize him
Speaker 1: as a weakness out there on the line because he
Speaker 1: just can't He hadn't been able to get it done
Speaker 1: having I think sprinkle. Obviously, maybe he's a better blocker,
Speaker 1: but if you can get a rookie to come in
Speaker 1: and be that willing blocker, I think it changes the
Speaker 1: dynamic of your offense how you can block on the outside.
Speaker 1: Quick addition, that Charlie Kohler there out of Iowa State,
Speaker 1: This was a pro day time, but he's got a
Speaker 1: lot of length, actually one of the longer, lengthier tight
Speaker 1: ends in the entire draft, outside of maybe a Jelani
Speaker 1: Woods out of Virginia who's just six foot seven, massive,
Speaker 1: but he ran the quickest time or what would have
Speaker 1: been the quickest time at the combine in his pro
Speaker 1: day forty so he's got some quickness to him as
Speaker 1: well as yards after the catch, the ability to break
Speaker 1: tackles and as a blocker. So he's kind of a
Speaker 1: Dalton Schultz ish type of player. I comped him in
Speaker 1: the magazine to Hunter Long as a tight end. He's
Speaker 1: I mean, he's a good player. I like them a lot.
Speaker 1: What round probably fourth round, later round guy. I wrote down, Oh,
Speaker 1: line wide receiver, interior, line wide receiver, edge tight end.
Speaker 1: We haven't mentioned linebacker yet now. Stephen Jones was asked
Speaker 1: about that last week and he said, they don't feel that.
Speaker 1: I actually feel pretty good about their numbers, in part
Speaker 1: because they kind of viewed round Curse as a linebacker
Speaker 1: in their scheme, going back to that big nickel package
Speaker 1: that they play so much. So I'm not agreeing with
Speaker 1: that necessarily. I just I think I wrote it down
Speaker 1: on my list. But but they're not. I guess they're
Speaker 1: not looking at like they got to get a guy
Speaker 1: in the first round necessarily. I wonder if the listeners
Speaker 1: who are on the podcast side of things that listen
Speaker 1: to this heard the eye roll from Isaiah because it
Speaker 1: was massive. Just a second, you need an every day,
Speaker 1: every down, solid linebacker. Man that just can't be too man.
Speaker 1: You get hurt playing that position. Understand that. But that's
Speaker 1: why you have to Yeah, that's why you got to
Speaker 1: get a guy that that's what he does. Dude, you've
Speaker 1: got Layton van Back the disrespect. Leyden's a good player
Speaker 1: in terms of feeling in for what he does. But Layton,
Speaker 1: whether it's a neck injury or whether it's what they
Speaker 1: expected him to what they expect him to do, and
Speaker 1: he's not that and they resigned him, so they have
Speaker 1: some depth there. But is he You're a guy? Is he?
Speaker 1: That's why I was so pissed off about Bobby. Bobby's
Speaker 1: that guy. Yeah. You look at a guy like Nakobe
Speaker 1: Deane from Georgia and the reason they keep mentioning him
Speaker 1: is because of his IQ. He's a fast guy, he's
Speaker 1: a plugger, he could do all of those things in
Speaker 1: the SEC as a linebacker. I think he's a true
Speaker 1: fit um whether they draft him that high or not,
Speaker 1: because he's definitely should be gone first round, early second round.
Speaker 1: He's just that talented. But for me, it's it's gonna
Speaker 1: come down to who are the Dan Quinn types? And
Speaker 1: you know he had Dan Quinn has a type. It's
Speaker 1: sixty three, sixty five or better, you know, so he
Speaker 1: cover and go sidelines. It's no reason why they play
Speaker 1: what they play him. And that's one reason why he
Speaker 1: tried to make count Neil a linebacker because he you know,
Speaker 1: for the former safety, you can move around. So and
Speaker 1: that's why Curse never comes off the field because he can.
Speaker 1: He can do that and he could be a matchup guy.
Speaker 1: So but from a depth perspective, their numbers don't look great,
Speaker 1: not as good as it did going into last season.
Speaker 1: So that's position to watch. We haven't talked about offensive tackle,
Speaker 1: which who's the swing tackle at this point, Josh Ball
Speaker 1: better be willing to have that position that might have
Speaker 1: been spinning all last year trying to be the swing tackle.
Speaker 1: Let's call it real, let's be let's do it how
Speaker 1: I'm supposed to be done. Right now. Man, he's he's
Speaker 1: got the opportunity to do it. You mentioned linebacker and
Speaker 1: offensive tackle. Those are the two sneaky needs that you're
Speaker 1: covered right now. To a certain extent, you're covered, but
Speaker 1: then you could go out and you can absolutely improve
Speaker 1: in both of those positions. Devin Lloyd kway Walker are
Speaker 1: both in the building. Devin Lloyd out of Utah. He's
Speaker 1: a dan Quinn guy more so than then Kobe Dean,
Speaker 1: because Dean out of Georgia's five eleven, two hundred and
Speaker 1: thirty pounds. Devin Lloyd to six foot three almost two
Speaker 1: forty bigger thirtier linebacker Quaywalker same way, six foot three,
Speaker 1: two forty out of Georgia. They've got a couple guys
Speaker 1: in the building that they like this week at that position.
Speaker 1: Then at offensive tackle, Charles Cross is reportedly in the
Speaker 1: building with Mississippi State, one of the top offensive tackles
Speaker 1: in the class that maybe is slipping a little bit.
Speaker 1: A lot of people thought he was a top ten
Speaker 1: guy and now he's kind of falling in. And then
Speaker 1: Bernard Raymond or Rayman, excuse me, out of Central Michigan
Speaker 1: is reportedly a thirty boot. Cause somebody to slip Kyle.
Speaker 1: It depends on the preference of the teams. Really, It's
Speaker 1: it's is their trait or is their con too big
Speaker 1: enough or too big for let's say the next guy, right,
Speaker 1: and so then you kind of compare him to the
Speaker 1: next guy, and it's like I'll flip them. And then
Speaker 1: you can compare him to the guy after that, and
Speaker 1: you flip them again, and then that's where they kind
Speaker 1: of fall down the list. A lot of it also
Speaker 1: is media sc scouts trying to find out where the
Speaker 1: real scouts are, and they may be completely off at
Speaker 1: the beginning, but they start to close the gap at
Speaker 1: Raymond's interesting. I wrote about him today. He's former tight end.
Speaker 1: He's kind of a developmental prospect and to a certain
Speaker 1: extent because he's been a startup this out. I mean,
Speaker 1: it is interesting. He's from Austria, he started two years
Speaker 1: at tight end, or played two years at tight end,
Speaker 1: started two years at left tackle at Central Michigan. He's
Speaker 1: got a lot of upside, But like you said, you
Speaker 1: need guys to come in and play, and not only
Speaker 1: from just a talent readiness standpoint. You play if you
Speaker 1: take a tackle in the first round or two. I mean,
Speaker 1: where's he's backing up, Probably Terrence Steele and certainly Tyrn
Speaker 1: Smith yep. So you're not drafting a starter at that position,
Speaker 1: but it's still a need. It's still a need unless
Speaker 1: you think it's Josh Balls ready or maybe you resigned
Speaker 1: Tian Sky something like that. A lot of people have
Speaker 1: him mocked in the first round. I think at twenty
Speaker 1: four that would be a pin throw for me. I
Speaker 1: think I would be a little upset, and by a little,
Speaker 1: I mean visibly upset if it was Raymond at pick
Speaker 1: number twenty four. But in the second round, if you
Speaker 1: wanted to go get a guy like that, and if
Speaker 1: you're telling me he would have a competition with Terrence Steele,
Speaker 1: I think I can maybe go for that. It's gonna
Speaker 1: make for a good TV if they take him at
Speaker 1: twenty four, you'll be live on the air, so we will.
Speaker 1: Let's see what you do. Wow, due players rock and
Speaker 1: we've had two good picks in the in the three Yeah, gosh,
Speaker 1: we've got two good picks in the two years that
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Speaker 1: what we need, so name and again the three positions
Speaker 1: you want dogs at? Off as a guard? Okay, off
Speaker 1: as a tackle? Linebacker? Did you just go? What was
Speaker 1: that accent? I don't know. Was that the buyoulas right now?
Speaker 1: I like it? Let go? So is there a chance
Speaker 1: that they could cover themselves in that position group or
Speaker 1: one of those three position groups before the draft, or
Speaker 1: like Rob was saying earlier, are they trying to do?
Speaker 1: And I know, Cowboys Nation, this is a buzzword, and
Speaker 1: it is a say. It trigger words their due diligence
Speaker 1: on potential draft prospects before they go and address them.
Speaker 1: I don't know who's free at the officeive Garden officsive
Speaker 1: tackle position right now, right tackle specifically. I don't know
Speaker 1: who's available on the market. Will Hernandez got signed by
Speaker 1: Arizona last week. I think he would have been a
Speaker 1: classic like Bridge play bridge, club, cover yourself. Dwayne Brown
Speaker 1: is still available, but he's thirty six. Ye. Eric Fisher's
Speaker 1: thirty one from the Colts offensive tackle there right tackle.
Speaker 1: H he played left tackle, but he could play right
Speaker 1: tackle too. I think Riley Reef from uh stop trying
Speaker 1: to convert the win, converting nobody converting the guy. No,
Speaker 1: those are the offensive tackles. I was like, that's a
Speaker 1: left shoe, but I think you put on your right.
Speaker 1: It'll work for a bag around hole exactly making work. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I don't. I think they missed a boat free agent
Speaker 1: wise on that. On those particular positions. I think linebacker,
Speaker 1: there might be some guys floating around, but everybody needs
Speaker 1: offensive linement. Everybody. So when there's veterans that are available,
Speaker 1: you got to grab them. Cats I don't care what
Speaker 1: you want to spend it. I'm telling you the teams
Speaker 1: are hoarding their offensive linemen, not letting those guys out
Speaker 1: if you can, hey, oh you can line block, you
Speaker 1: can all block. You're here, you're here, but oh you're here,
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna hide you so far down the practice
Speaker 1: squad roster that nobody finds joy and play in the preseason.
Speaker 1: You hear me, I'm gonna lock you in the dungeon.
Speaker 1: That's how they do things. Of course they do. We
Speaker 1: talked about this every year at camp, like when they've
Speaker 1: been leaning at that position, and it's like, well, wait
Speaker 1: till the first round of cuts, and nobody's gonna cut
Speaker 1: defensive offensive lineman. You gotta wait until maybe final cuts,
Speaker 1: but you know, you know how bad you gotta be
Speaker 1: to get cut. Look at Terence Steele, I mean, look
Speaker 1: at Steel. He's a great example of it, because initially
Speaker 1: everybody's like, why are you even signing this guy as
Speaker 1: an undrafted free agent? They were like, this is a
Speaker 1: waste of a sign And then and then he makes
Speaker 1: the camp roster, and of course he makes the real roster,
Speaker 1: and then of course he comes in and is not
Speaker 1: very good as a rookie, and now he's presumed to
Speaker 1: be the starter at right tackles, everything goes exactly what
Speaker 1: it is. He's everything you want out of an undrafted
Speaker 1: free agent. You want a guy to come in and
Speaker 1: work his tail off, and that's exactly what he did.
Speaker 1: And he worked Leo Collins out of a job. That's
Speaker 1: exactly what he did. He wasn't nothing shady or underhanded.
Speaker 1: He worked his tail off. He put his head down.
Speaker 1: Credit to him, you know. And that's what you and
Speaker 1: that's what you want to see. You have him now
Speaker 1: as a starter. How do you create that competitiveness? Do you?
Speaker 1: You got to bring in guys? These dogs? Are you
Speaker 1: talking about the guys that are out there that can
Speaker 1: still be signed, that can make your offensive line better
Speaker 1: because you're gonna have to run the ball. Let's just
Speaker 1: call it how it is, you know. And for me,
Speaker 1: those dogs that you're talking about, let me just say this,
Speaker 1: anybody from Georgia please get him. Yeah, Obama, Yeah, any
Speaker 1: of those guys from Georgia's sign Jeremy Sawyers, the offensive
Speaker 1: lineman from Georgia that could probably No, No, that ain't
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. I'm on the defensive Jordan Davis, Jack Hamburger,
Speaker 1: He's probably not gonna be there. Probably. I think he's
Speaker 1: he's rising teams. He is way good. Yeah yeah, um.
Speaker 1: Some of those linebackers I went through the offensive line.
Speaker 1: It's pretty thin in free agency, but there are a
Speaker 1: couple names linebacker wise that are out there. Dante how
Speaker 1: High Tower from New England. A J. Johnson High Towers
Speaker 1: thirty two. You know what, Cole I just thought of
Speaker 1: something was that you're getting to the point as a
Speaker 1: writer and all this where you could plan a story
Speaker 1: for us for a guy to actually start to fall.
Speaker 1: I could probably do that. Who do you want to fall? This?
Speaker 1: Jordan Davis kid? You want me to do? Give me
Speaker 1: a second Holdupty, Hey, that's too big. He's not gonna
Speaker 1: move very well. Two things are really the biggest knocks
Speaker 1: on what I could do with Jordan Davis. First, his
Speaker 1: ability to stay on the field for more than two plays.
Speaker 1: He's just a two down player. He doesn't do a
Speaker 1: whole lot more than that. I mean, he's really good
Speaker 1: here in those two plays, but let's just forget about that.
Speaker 1: Third down is where you need him the most, and
Speaker 1: he's not gonna would your comp be, who'd your comparison plays.
Speaker 1: I compared him to Derek Brown, who went in the
Speaker 1: top ten a couple of years ago from Auburn. Yeah,
Speaker 1: compared him to this space eat. Yeah, he's pretty darn good.
Speaker 1: The second thing is he's not great off the snap.
Speaker 1: But I also in my con for him, I was like,
Speaker 1: but his strength makes up for it, so even Yeah,
Speaker 1: because he's just gonna move people out of the way.
Speaker 1: He doesn't need to be the first because it doesn't matter.
Speaker 1: And that goes back to that goes back to what
Speaker 1: I was saying about Belichick. What does he always have
Speaker 1: he has for He has a forklift in the middle
Speaker 1: of his defensive line. That's what he specialized in. Judahan
Speaker 1: on the outside, and he gets a guy that could
Speaker 1: play the cornerback position. You know why, Why because if
Speaker 1: your center in your guards can't work up to your linebackers.
Speaker 1: Second level stuff improves the run defense, which has been
Speaker 1: a problem here. Like the two things, if your most
Speaker 1: recent memory of this team was the San Francisco game,
Speaker 1: couldn't run the ball, Dak got pressured way too much
Speaker 1: so and you couldn't and you really couldn't stop the run. Either,
Speaker 1: and we don't talk about that enough's right, as we
Speaker 1: love dan Quinn, we could not stop the run to
Speaker 1: save our lives at the end of the season and
Speaker 1: we well, you know, dak was just six and five
Speaker 1: down the stretch and all those different we couldn't stop anybody.
Speaker 1: It's I think it's because it was better. But the
Speaker 1: bar was twenty twenty was the second most rushing yards
Speaker 1: allowed by a defense in NFL history, So that was
Speaker 1: you know, you just can't compare it to that. You
Speaker 1: can't compare it to the worst. But defenses are better
Speaker 1: when they forced offenses to be in third and long.
Speaker 1: If you're in third and long, I can bring pressure,
Speaker 1: if I could take take away to run, make you
Speaker 1: one dimensional. And those are the things that we couldn't
Speaker 1: do in the playoffs. We did not make semphasis you're
Speaker 1: not going to run outside, even just run outside. If
Speaker 1: I can limit you to just taking things outside the hashes,
Speaker 1: I can control what you do. And Dallas just hasn't
Speaker 1: been able to do that as of late. And I
Speaker 1: think that was the whole purpose of bringing in big urban.
Speaker 1: He got hurt, unfortunately, so they didn't have that to
Speaker 1: rely on. I think they did their due diligence in
Speaker 1: terms of trying to feel that whole. Yeah, he just
Speaker 1: he just sucks that he got hurt. And you're not
Speaker 1: making it very easy on me to make Jordan Davis
Speaker 1: fault because you're talking about how like even the one
Speaker 1: cop that I had or the con that I had,
Speaker 1: you're saying, it's fine, let's go ahead and get him
Speaker 1: into day they do my fault of four, give him
Speaker 1: a different compo. Who would be your bad comp don
Speaker 1: Terry Poe. Let's tug. That was my guy on mail
Speaker 1: back today though, I said, because you mentioned earlier, heck
Speaker 1: like Jordan Davis. Yeah, yeah, like in a situation where okay,
Speaker 1: we want this position, this position, but if a guy
Speaker 1: just falls and you're just like, it's not a huge,
Speaker 1: huge need. Dan, he's in the building this week. He
Speaker 1: is a thirty visit guy reportedly throughout the week. Here,
Speaker 1: do something stupid, Jordan usually there. He's on our draft
Speaker 1: magaine or no he's not. He's not on the draft magazine.
Speaker 1: Please do something something up. You are No, we don't
Speaker 1: want there're a straight Cowboys guy. I'm not trying to
Speaker 1: I'm not Look, I'm not sugarcoating this man. This is
Speaker 1: a guy. You can make this defense so much better.
Speaker 1: This is what will need to be. Come on, let's go, guys.
Speaker 1: We gotta get something here because we gotta get a
Speaker 1: dude that could stop plug that middle up. I mean,
Speaker 1: as much as we talk about how good the defense was,
Speaker 1: it's creating turnovers. We could not get stops, and there
Speaker 1: are defenses out there in the league that can't get
Speaker 1: off the field that it makes you mediocre. I don't
Speaker 1: care how good your offense is. Jordan David, you're listening.
Speaker 1: Come on, there happened? Can't wait? Fans? You know what
Speaker 1: to keep your seal phones out? Any interest in secondary
Speaker 1: at all, or you want to try and stay away
Speaker 1: from that. This draft, I just think secondary take It's
Speaker 1: so hard to put your finger on an impact player,
Speaker 1: and that's right now. But you don't think you drafted
Speaker 1: that last year. I know you don't. You don't, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: I'm saying these guys could be developed into players this year. Yeah. Development,
Speaker 1: that's what I'm saying. Development, Yes, because that's a one
Speaker 1: or two year project, right, one two or three year project.
Speaker 1: I'm talking about guys that you usually gonna find in
Speaker 1: a draft right now to see Yep, he's gonna shut down.
Speaker 1: Some guys don't really see it happen from you doub
Speaker 1: you doube. I mean, of course you doube. Players are
Speaker 1: gonna do it. But I mean, but he's like whatever,
Speaker 1: chill okay, Sauce Gardner, Devin Stanley. Yeah, no, we need
Speaker 1: trying to make because it doesn't matter because if the
Speaker 1: guy the quarterback has time to throw the ball, I
Speaker 1: don't care who the quarterback is, the receiver's gonna get open.
Speaker 1: These receivers are too good, too fast, too agile nowadays
Speaker 1: with great hands to be able to guard these guys
Speaker 1: for three, four or five seconds. If you can't stop
Speaker 1: the run, you're gonna be in for a long day.
Speaker 1: If you can't get to the quarterback, you're gonna be
Speaker 1: in for a long day. So if you don't have
Speaker 1: either one of those areas sewed up, and I don't
Speaker 1: care if you've got Jalen Ramsey and Neon Dion outside,
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter. Like the four or five seconds this
Speaker 1: is too long to be covering anybody, but that still
Speaker 1: is time. But let me ask you this, do you
Speaker 1: think any of the guys that we had from last
Speaker 1: year's draft will be impactful this season. I think the
Speaker 1: time is now for both Kelvin Joseph and Nashan. Right
Speaker 1: those top one hundred picks, they didn't really do a
Speaker 1: whole lot. In your one, Calvin Joseph's kind of sprinkled
Speaker 1: in there towards the end, but that wasn't the expectation
Speaker 1: expectation last year. I feel like pressure is more on
Speaker 1: who Nashan then Kelvin. Kelvin Joseph do you think so well?
Speaker 1: I mean, he's a top fifty pick that didn't get
Speaker 1: to play much, and I think to your point, like
Speaker 1: why they probably won't invest a high pick is because
Speaker 1: they have him there. They have high hopes for him.
Speaker 1: I don't discuss, but like that expectation. But I also
Speaker 1: put you on to what's your name. Nashan has a
Speaker 1: shorter leash. He has a way shorter leash. Look at
Speaker 1: Reggie Robinson from two years ago. He was drafted in
Speaker 1: the fourth round. No, no, no, no, I'm just saying
Speaker 1: it's the same thing though that was trying to make
Speaker 1: him a safety. That was That's all I'm saying. The
Speaker 1: thing that difference with Nashan and I believe is because
Speaker 1: he's a better special teams player in my opinion. Good point,
Speaker 1: so point, good point, so come on, But you don't
Speaker 1: draft a guy in the top one hundred to be
Speaker 1: a special teams point. But he's contributing. He made a
Speaker 1: contribution last year. Listen, that's all I'm pointing too. He
Speaker 1: was His contribution was landing on the football one time,
Speaker 1: like on a pop swear that look at it, go
Speaker 1: look at it. He didn't do anything. He was on
Speaker 1: special teams. That doesn't mean he's a contributor. He was
Speaker 1: just there. So it was Kelvin Joseph. Doesn't mean he
Speaker 1: was great. Not bones thought he did well. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean yeah, the e Hondas. Come on, man, I'm a
Speaker 1: Nation fan. I am a Nation fan. But about guys
Speaker 1: like Izzy Mukuamo. Mcquamo has learned how to be willing
Speaker 1: to hit. I talked about that all last year and
Speaker 1: once we saw him at camp, he doesn't want to hit.
Speaker 1: At that point in time, he did not want to
Speaker 1: hit anybody. If he changes that, he'll be a hell
Speaker 1: of a player. But it's hard when you're twenty some
Speaker 1: odd years old, all of us, all of a sudden
Speaker 1: turn to switch on and say all right, I'm whoo,
Speaker 1: let's go. I'm gonna hit somebody. A guy that went
Speaker 1: from corner to safety. Also, so yeah, I think having
Speaker 1: Jamaron Curse is a guy that Mukuamo can kind of
Speaker 1: learn from because they're both bigger bodied safeties quote unquote,
Speaker 1: they that could potentially help. But it's a willingness. Man.
Speaker 1: It's no different than I'm being on Kickoff back in
Speaker 1: the day with the Wedge. Either wanted they bust the
Speaker 1: wedge or you just didn't and it showed up on
Speaker 1: film every time. Yeah, that's a kama Kazi job right there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so were you a big fan of that? That role? Man?
Speaker 1: I had to. I had to stay on the roster,
Speaker 1: didn't I. So you were a big fan of that.
Speaker 1: I was a fan on anything that I could have
Speaker 1: an impact on. If they've required me jumping in betweenix
Speaker 1: hundred pounds, I'm grow man. And on the next show
Speaker 1: of Talking Cowboys, we'll be out of the Tostitos Championship Plaza.
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