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Speaker 1: about that you measured the crime scene. I did. The

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Speaker 1: listening to class Action. We're back in South Dakota. It's

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Speaker 1: This is episode eight, Standing on the shoulders of Giants. Matt,

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00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:53,320
Speaker 1: bad road. Then he would go back to the Foster

428
00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:56,919
Speaker 1: home and there was a big custody battle, and eventually

429
00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:09,000
Speaker 1: I just have to make sure my dog snows out

430
00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:11,760
Speaker 1: of the office because sometimes you have Tennessee to embark

431
00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:14,960
Speaker 1: when people come in the front door. So just excuses

432
00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:19,760
Speaker 1: where your snow snore. I don't have to comb my hair,

433
00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:22,480
Speaker 1: I don't have put any moose in my hair or

434
00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:30,359
Speaker 1: anything like that. We're okay, okay. My name is Ron Veleski.

435
00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:36,960
Speaker 1: I'm an attorney here in South Dakota, and I just

436
00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:43,120
Speaker 1: usually go by Ron Valeski, Attorney at Law. I have

437
00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:51,320
Speaker 1: been told by my relatives. I've been advised that we

438
00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:56,200
Speaker 1: are in the lineage of Sitting Bowl. How many generations

439
00:28:56,280 --> 00:29:00,760
Speaker 1: back that goes, I'm not certain, but I have been

440
00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:07,720
Speaker 1: told by my family that we are in the ancestral

441
00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:15,440
Speaker 1: line of chief Sitting Bowl. Makes me feel humbled and

442
00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:28,560
Speaker 1: makes me feel very glad about who I am. I

443
00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:32,480
Speaker 1: was born on the Standing Rocky and Heat Reservation. As

444
00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:37,560
Speaker 1: my siblings, all were were born into poverty. We were

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00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:47,680
Speaker 1: born into family dysfunction, we were born into alcoholism, and

446
00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:53,600
Speaker 1: uh there was some physical abuse, et cetera. I loved

447
00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:58,959
Speaker 1: my mother and but she was an alcoholic, and there

448
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:03,680
Speaker 1: were times when the welfare agency they would come and

449
00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:06,680
Speaker 1: take us children and put us in foster homes, in

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00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:11,840
Speaker 1: foster care different places. My brother was about three, maybe

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00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:14,120
Speaker 1: I was five and he was four. We were just

452
00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:17,240
Speaker 1: young kids, and that went on for a number of

453
00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:22,200
Speaker 1: years until finally the welfare department said well that's enough.

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00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:27,440
Speaker 1: I ended up being adopted by the Veleski's and my

455
00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:31,080
Speaker 1: mom said, yeah, you showed up. The head of the

456
00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:34,440
Speaker 1: welfare department brought you to the house. You had a

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Speaker 1: T shirt on with a hole in it, you had

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00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:39,600
Speaker 1: a little some little shorts on. You had tenner shoes

459
00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:44,000
Speaker 1: with a hole in both toes in a shoe box,

460
00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:50,240
Speaker 1: and that was all your belogings. And they took me in.

461
00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:56,960
Speaker 1: They loved me and they raised me, and I'm here

462
00:30:57,000 --> 00:31:02,560
Speaker 1: today as an example of love and courage by a

463
00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:08,280
Speaker 1: white family that adopted a little Indian child from a reservation.

464
00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:17,240
Speaker 1: My father was a custodian at Lincoln School, and every

465
00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:21,600
Speaker 1: day after school I would go down to where he

466
00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:25,000
Speaker 1: was working at the school and and I'd played basketball

467
00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:30,000
Speaker 1: hour after hour in the gym so and also played

468
00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:34,400
Speaker 1: some football, ran track, played baseball all those things. I

469
00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:38,400
Speaker 1: wasn't Jim four, but I was a pretty decent all

470
00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:42,840
Speaker 1: around athlete. You know, you always got some war hoops

471
00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:46,320
Speaker 1: and basketball from different fans around the state. But I

472
00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:49,800
Speaker 1: took that as a compliment because I was a good

473
00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:53,640
Speaker 1: player and one the other side was trying to do

474
00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:57,040
Speaker 1: chance and war hoops when I was shooting free throws.

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00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:01,520
Speaker 1: I took that as a badge of her, maybe even

476
00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:07,120
Speaker 1: a sign of respect towards me. My father that adopted me,

477
00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:09,960
Speaker 1: and he died when I was a freshman in high school.

478
00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:15,160
Speaker 1: So I often say I became a juvenile delinquent, which

479
00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:17,640
Speaker 1: I did for a year or two. But I ran

480
00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:22,840
Speaker 1: into guidance counselor named Don'ta Brown, who called me down

481
00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:25,760
Speaker 1: to her office one day and she said, you know,

482
00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:29,680
Speaker 1: I don't know what you're doing. You're you're flunking this

483
00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:33,680
Speaker 1: and you're flunking that. But she said, your test scores

484
00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:38,600
Speaker 1: are very high. And she said, how would you like

485
00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:43,600
Speaker 1: to go to Harvard? And I said, well, I don't

486
00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:46,400
Speaker 1: know anything about Harvard. I don't know that I've ever

487
00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:48,720
Speaker 1: heard of it, except I know they played the Carlisle

488
00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:52,840
Speaker 1: Indians back in nineteen twelve and got beat but I'm

489
00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:56,040
Speaker 1: not even sure where it is. She's wells in Cambridge, Massachusetts.

490
00:32:57,080 --> 00:32:59,880
Speaker 1: So I did my part and she did her part.

491
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:02,800
Speaker 1: M and I got an opportunity to go to Harvard

492
00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:07,480
Speaker 1: and spent four years there in college, and I went

493
00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:11,200
Speaker 1: to the University of South Dakota Law School, and I

494
00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:14,360
Speaker 1: was very interested in politics at that point in time.

495
00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:19,000
Speaker 1: Ron Velsky was elected to the state legislature as a

496
00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:24,120
Speaker 1: Republican in Night, the only Native American lawmaker at the time.

497
00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:31,120
Speaker 1: Where's Native American representation in state government? How many cabinet

498
00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:36,040
Speaker 1: members in state government a Native America? How many Native

499
00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:39,320
Speaker 1: Americans on the circuit court bench throughout the state of

500
00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:45,360
Speaker 1: South Dakota. When are we gonna get representation in this

501
00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:48,800
Speaker 1: government like we should have and like we need to have.

502
00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:54,959
Speaker 1: I say to the power structures, listen to what's happening

503
00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:59,120
Speaker 1: out there, and let's make state government and the judicial

504
00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:13,680
Speaker 1: system more representative of the population as a whole. He

505
00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:16,640
Speaker 1: was a barrier breaker in the stens that I think

506
00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:20,279
Speaker 1: he was the first Native American to, uh, you know,

507
00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:22,719
Speaker 1: run for governor for a major party at the time

508
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:26,360
Speaker 1: in the United States. I used to go to the

509
00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:31,200
Speaker 1: Standing Rock. I remember when my dad was running for governor.

510
00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:34,560
Speaker 1: We went to the reservation. You know, I met some

511
00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:36,799
Speaker 1: of my uncles and family that didn't I didn't even

512
00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:41,400
Speaker 1: know personally. My dad's represented a lot of Native Americans

513
00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:44,280
Speaker 1: throughout the state because he's well known in Indian Territory

514
00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:48,080
Speaker 1: and being one of the few, you know, Native American attorneys,

515
00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:52,719
Speaker 1: they know you, and they might not know too many lawyers,

516
00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:54,879
Speaker 1: so they give him a call. He tried to help,

517
00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:58,440
Speaker 1: you know people from where he came from as much

518
00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:05,560
Speaker 1: as he can. In tribal court, things are much more informal.

519
00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:12,319
Speaker 1: Family structures are much more different among Native people than

520
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:17,640
Speaker 1: they are among the white dominant society. So when you're

521
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:20,600
Speaker 1: in those areas of practicing law and travel court, you

522
00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:25,239
Speaker 1: have to understand those nuances. We don't have a lot

523
00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:30,400
Speaker 1: of Native American attorneys in South Dakota. I think we

524
00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:34,719
Speaker 1: need more Native American attorneys on the reservations. We don't

525
00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:41,640
Speaker 1: have enough. Native Americans are rather reserved people. They aren't

526
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:46,239
Speaker 1: the types of people that are really aggressive, but yet

527
00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:51,040
Speaker 1: they are strong people and they know that, and I

528
00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:54,480
Speaker 1: think that helps them at times to be able to

529
00:35:54,680 --> 00:36:05,920
Speaker 1: rise above racism, bigotry, and prejudice and really become what

530
00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:08,839
Speaker 1: they want to become. And here's the deal. What they

531
00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:14,759
Speaker 1: want to become isn't always what the dominant white society

532
00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:20,279
Speaker 1: would think that they should want to become. They have

533
00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:24,719
Speaker 1: their own sense of well being, and that well being

534
00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:34,560
Speaker 1: sometimes isn't in harmony with the society outside them. And

535
00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:38,959
Speaker 1: be talking about Native Americans and criminal justice. Please coming

536
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:47,440
Speaker 1: up and welcome Professor Frank Palmerston. Back in Professor Greg

537
00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:50,880
Speaker 1: Brazil's class, Tyler meets the man who wrote the Tribal

538
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:54,120
Speaker 1: Court Handbook, a sixties radical who drove out to the

539
00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:57,799
Speaker 1: prairie and a battered Chevy Nova and didn't look back.

540
00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:05,000
Speaker 1: He ended up teaching tribal law at USD MHM. Historically,

541
00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:09,040
Speaker 1: they have been very few figures and state politics in particular,

542
00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:12,719
Speaker 1: that show respect to Indian people. We always say to me, Frank,

543
00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:15,520
Speaker 1: you know, until people show us respect, we're not gonna

544
00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:18,680
Speaker 1: be able to go forward. In one of my last

545
00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:21,680
Speaker 1: couple of years and Indian law, I had like students

546
00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:26,640
Speaker 1: read a book by Louise Erderic or other Indian authors,

547
00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:29,839
Speaker 1: and my assignment went something like this, write a three

548
00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:33,600
Speaker 1: page book review of this. Students were saying it was

549
00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:38,120
Speaker 1: like really confronted stuff, or Indian people saying that they

550
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:41,760
Speaker 1: were find it tough, like fitting into law school because

551
00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:45,000
Speaker 1: they didn't feel that law school really had enough space

552
00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:49,600
Speaker 1: for them. Guarantee, you cannot be a good prosecute unless

553
00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:52,319
Speaker 1: you have some understanding that racism actually exists, and it's

554
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:55,480
Speaker 1: a possibility in every case that you have, and certainly

555
00:37:55,520 --> 00:37:59,040
Speaker 1: from the defense side, of course, you have to, I

556
00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:01,800
Speaker 1: believe entertain ain't it if you just pretend that it

557
00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:06,000
Speaker 1: doesn't exist because you're a good person in quotation, weren't Like, No,

558
00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:11,120
Speaker 1: you can't be a good lawyer. You definitely cannot. Let

559
00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:14,960
Speaker 1: me get a round of applause for Professor PALMERSI thank you,

560
00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:21,080
Speaker 1: thanks so much. I really enjoyed it. In Sue Falls,

561
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:24,359
Speaker 1: Matt Skinner's internship at the Public Defender's Office is coming

562
00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:27,360
Speaker 1: to a close. He and Derek are meeting with a

563
00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:30,879
Speaker 1: new client. Matt, why don't you kind of run through

564
00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:37,240
Speaker 1: the charge? Okay? So yeah, do you? I first in speeding.

565
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:40,600
Speaker 1: The location of the traffic stop was on Interstate ninety

566
00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:45,840
Speaker 1: mile mark, Minia County. When the officer arrived on the scene,

567
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:49,640
Speaker 1: spoke with Trooper Jensen, who informed him that the driver

568
00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:52,359
Speaker 1: who has stopped for traveling a d two miles per

569
00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:56,000
Speaker 1: hour in a sixty speed zone. Does that sound right?

570
00:38:56,040 --> 00:38:59,400
Speaker 1: So far? While in the patrol vehicle, the officer detected

571
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:03,680
Speaker 1: the order of our called beverage. That right, A breath

572
00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:07,600
Speaker 1: test was administered. The reading was point one three breath

573
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:11,160
Speaker 1: alcohol content. You were placed under arrest for driving under

574
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:16,200
Speaker 1: the influence, first offense, transported to jail. And this was

575
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:21,920
Speaker 1: at like, yes, I was traveling from central South Dakota

576
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:26,759
Speaker 1: the lower Rule, the Indian Reservation. So is that where

577
00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:30,799
Speaker 1: you had the drinks that morning, early morning hours from

578
00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:35,480
Speaker 1: three or Okay, are you in the military? Wasn't the

579
00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:42,120
Speaker 1: military is Marines. I have something I need to disclose

580
00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:44,520
Speaker 1: to you guys right now. I'm on a dipend. I

581
00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:50,080
Speaker 1: suspended in position right now for grantly striving charge. Okay,

582
00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:53,120
Speaker 1: And that was actually a d I was dealing with

583
00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:56,319
Speaker 1: a suicide of one of my brothers in arms at

584
00:39:56,360 --> 00:39:59,000
Speaker 1: the time, and I was mourning that death, and that's

585
00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:00,879
Speaker 1: why I lost control of my helped at that point.

586
00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:04,600
Speaker 1: This incident was morning a cousin of mine and that's

587
00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:06,759
Speaker 1: why I was back in the reservation and traveling back

588
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:09,600
Speaker 1: here three two falls, So I think it's a little

589
00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:10,800
Speaker 1: bit of a pattern there. I don't know if you

590
00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:14,279
Speaker 1: want if that matters. I mean that definitely matters. Um

591
00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:17,960
Speaker 1: is there going to be like jail time because it's

592
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:22,160
Speaker 1: suspended him on this case? The offer right out of

593
00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:25,840
Speaker 1: the gate, this is just a standard first d U.

594
00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:30,120
Speaker 1: I does that make sense? Probably a good thing. Then, okay,

595
00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:33,239
Speaker 1: all right, So what we'll do today is we can

596
00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:36,000
Speaker 1: ask for the delay on your behalf so you can

597
00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:37,839
Speaker 1: leave if you want. I know you've been here a while.

598
00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:41,560
Speaker 1: Maybe I will stay and go. Okay, okay, some actions.

599
00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:50,680
Speaker 1: All right, thanks? And that was honestly nice that he

600
00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:54,040
Speaker 1: did that, because I would guess that most clients wouldn't

601
00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:56,960
Speaker 1: be like, hey, already have a suspended imposition. He was like,

602
00:40:57,040 --> 00:40:59,919
Speaker 1: I gotta tell you right now, I have this, which

603
00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:08,880
Speaker 1: was really nice to actually have when I'm looking for

604
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:11,680
Speaker 1: a trial lawyer, I am looking for somebody who, at

605
00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:13,280
Speaker 1: the end of the day, do you have a capacity

606
00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:15,840
Speaker 1: to look at another human being who is separate and

607
00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:18,680
Speaker 1: apart from you, to empathize with their situation and to

608
00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:21,800
Speaker 1: recognize when an injustice has occurred under the rules, and

609
00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:25,160
Speaker 1: then zealously argue I want them all day long and

610
00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:30,040
Speaker 1: twice on Sunday. Coach Laura Rose runs the trial team

611
00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:34,000
Speaker 1: and teaches classes on top of all that. This year

612
00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:37,759
Speaker 1: she submitted the documents for tenure review. Dad, you got

613
00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:40,840
Speaker 1: the email that I forward you last night? Right. Wanting

614
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:45,080
Speaker 1: some father daughter time, she calls her dad, who happens

615
00:41:45,120 --> 00:41:48,279
Speaker 1: to be Professor Charles Rose, the third dean of the

616
00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:52,120
Speaker 1: College of Law at Ohio Northern University. Oh yeah, the

617
00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:57,040
Speaker 1: one about the course. But no, not one, not that one. Well,

618
00:41:57,160 --> 00:41:58,400
Speaker 1: hang on, I didn't even send you the one that

619
00:41:58,400 --> 00:41:59,799
Speaker 1: I wanted to send you. Let me send you this one.

620
00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:04,759
Speaker 1: Charles Rose spent twenty years on active duty in the

621
00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:09,040
Speaker 1: United States Army and was on the faculty at Stetson University,

622
00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:11,279
Speaker 1: where he led the trial team to the number one

623
00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:16,200
Speaker 1: ranking for twelve years. He also wrote the book actually

624
00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:19,800
Speaker 1: lots of books on trial advocacy, including one he co

625
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:23,040
Speaker 1: authored with his daughter Laura. How's the inter of your

626
00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:27,759
Speaker 1: semester wrapping up? You know, we're all busier than we

627
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:30,960
Speaker 1: have any right to be, uh, particularly the trial team,

628
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:35,799
Speaker 1: because we're not done with competitions except for National Trial League,

629
00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:39,440
Speaker 1: which we've got going on. I love my dad a

630
00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:41,480
Speaker 1: great deal He's my hero. He's he's who I want

631
00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:43,440
Speaker 1: to be when I grew up. I've modeled my career

632
00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:47,200
Speaker 1: after him. I have very fond memories of when Daddy

633
00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:50,719
Speaker 1: started law school. I started kindergarten. So daddy and daughter

634
00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:51,880
Speaker 1: used to get up in the morning and go to

635
00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:53,720
Speaker 1: school together. Right, he would drop me off at school,

636
00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:56,360
Speaker 1: and my whole life it's kind of been like that.

637
00:42:56,520 --> 00:43:00,560
Speaker 1: He's provided me with unending opportunities. Well, and you see

638
00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:03,120
Speaker 1: you see that habit in in some of the competitions

639
00:43:03,160 --> 00:43:06,399
Speaker 1: where people are picking one factor two facts and over

640
00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:09,640
Speaker 1: dramatizing it and relying on that. I just I don't

641
00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:11,800
Speaker 1: know how to square that with the obligation that we

642
00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:14,560
Speaker 1: have to educate lawyers. Right Like, I'm not going to

643
00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:18,080
Speaker 1: teach my students how to act. That's not my job.

644
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:20,840
Speaker 1: My job is to teach them how to advocate. I

645
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:23,080
Speaker 1: get them. But if you'll think about it for a minute,

646
00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:26,000
Speaker 1: you have to train them to deal with the person

647
00:43:26,080 --> 00:43:28,759
Speaker 1: who's all show and no go, so that when they

648
00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:30,400
Speaker 1: run into that in the real world, they know how

649
00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:32,719
Speaker 1: to take them apart. So how do we how do

650
00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:35,279
Speaker 1: I fix it for next semester? My instinct is to

651
00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:37,759
Speaker 1: keep teaching the way that I have been teaching and

652
00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:40,200
Speaker 1: have the conversations with the students that I've been having

653
00:43:40,239 --> 00:43:42,600
Speaker 1: in terms of this works, this doesn't. This is why

654
00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:47,520
Speaker 1: we have to cool the emotion out of these Midwestern

655
00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:50,719
Speaker 1: kids at a greater level so that it comes through

656
00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:54,000
Speaker 1: the camera. Because what's happening is is that they tend

657
00:43:54,040 --> 00:43:58,840
Speaker 1: to be selfis facing, standing upright, polite young men and

658
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:02,000
Speaker 1: women right, and then you put the lens of the

659
00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:06,240
Speaker 1: camera on top of that, the camera creates this barrier

660
00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:17,160
Speaker 1: to communication. Well, I got a navy blue suit with

661
00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:22,919
Speaker 1: a nice blue charve tie, so I think I'm looking

662
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:28,120
Speaker 1: pretty presidential. To give Tyler another shot at mock trial,

663
00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:31,000
Speaker 1: coach Laura Rose has put him on a team of

664
00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:34,800
Speaker 1: two ells for the Capital City Challenge, hosted by American

665
00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:39,520
Speaker 1: University in Washington, d C. And held this year online.

666
00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:42,080
Speaker 1: There's a lot of schools in it, schools from the

667
00:44:42,120 --> 00:44:45,839
Speaker 1: East that we we saw last semester in the Hofst competition,

668
00:44:46,239 --> 00:44:48,680
Speaker 1: some pretty big time schools, So we're going to give

669
00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:51,360
Speaker 1: them our best, but we're kind of represent the Midwest

670
00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:54,320
Speaker 1: here in South Dakota. The case is set in the

671
00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:58,560
Speaker 1: fictional city of Washingtonia and it gives Tyler another workout

672
00:44:58,680 --> 00:45:03,400
Speaker 1: with medical details. The USD team is defending Dr Pierre Lagren.

673
00:45:04,120 --> 00:45:07,759
Speaker 1: The doctor's crime he impregnated a patient with his own

674
00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:11,320
Speaker 1: seamen instead of her husband's, which meant their new baby

675
00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:14,320
Speaker 1: was not a bill and marrow match for their older

676
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:18,680
Speaker 1: child who was dying of leukemia. I will be doing

677
00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:23,320
Speaker 1: a cross examination of the state's witness, the mother or

678
00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:25,719
Speaker 1: father in this case, and then I'll be doing a

679
00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:30,200
Speaker 1: direct examination of Pierre la Grand. He's the doctor that's

680
00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:34,080
Speaker 1: on trial being charged with second degree murder and fraud.

681
00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:38,799
Speaker 1: So hopefully he kind of comes across as human or empathetic.

682
00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:42,480
Speaker 1: But this guy is a real tough character, very high

683
00:45:42,560 --> 00:45:45,600
Speaker 1: on himself, and didn't think he did anything wrong in

684
00:45:45,680 --> 00:45:47,680
Speaker 1: our practice. They said, I have to tone it down

685
00:45:47,719 --> 00:45:50,080
Speaker 1: a little bit because I'm crossing a mother that just

686
00:45:50,239 --> 00:45:53,360
Speaker 1: got lost her daughter and they're blaming the doctor. So

687
00:45:53,640 --> 00:45:56,239
Speaker 1: I have to show some empathy today and I can't

688
00:45:56,280 --> 00:46:01,560
Speaker 1: hit her too hard. Hey, can you get up here, man?

689
00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:07,080
Speaker 1: Call me look good? Yes, we guess turned this on

690
00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:14,239
Speaker 1: good evening, your honor. My name is Damian Basin, and I,

691
00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:17,720
Speaker 1: along with my co counsel, Tyler Veleski, represent the defendant

692
00:46:17,840 --> 00:46:24,160
Speaker 1: Dr Pierre Legron. In today's case, Howard University challenged South Dakota.

693
00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:27,520
Speaker 1: We have a few stipulations that we would like to

694
00:46:27,560 --> 00:46:30,080
Speaker 1: bring to the course attention. That is also in the

695
00:46:30,120 --> 00:46:35,399
Speaker 1: case finals the Howard team. It's a formidable opponent. Christ Boy.

696
00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:38,160
Speaker 1: Can you tell us a little bit about your daughter, Emma?

697
00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:41,640
Speaker 1: They do the direct exam of the mother in the

698
00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:47,680
Speaker 1: case she lost a daughter. Course, Emma, she was an

699
00:46:47,719 --> 00:46:52,120
Speaker 1: olden child. I mean, just look at her away, her

700
00:46:52,160 --> 00:46:55,680
Speaker 1: hair goes down and her bow and she brought so

701
00:46:55,880 --> 00:46:59,759
Speaker 1: much happiness to our lives. But now that she's gone,

702
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:06,600
Speaker 1: it's just a feeling of being incomplete. And why is

703
00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:13,080
Speaker 1: Emma gone? That she just stated she unfortunately passed away

704
00:47:13,239 --> 00:47:17,640
Speaker 1: when she was eight years old, and she had leukemia

705
00:47:18,239 --> 00:47:22,279
Speaker 1: and didn't get a transplant that she needed. How long

706
00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:34,520
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be soft with her? Hello, Mr t Boys.

707
00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:38,400
Speaker 1: I know these are difficult circumstances, but I need you

708
00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:40,239
Speaker 1: to bear with me so we can get through this

709
00:47:40,360 --> 00:47:44,160
Speaker 1: together to find the truth. Today and he delivered you

710
00:47:44,239 --> 00:47:51,839
Speaker 1: a baby, Yes, my beautiful baby boy Marcus, take your time,

711
00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:56,040
Speaker 1: Mr Boy, Now you blame Dr Luke Grain for this?

712
00:47:56,480 --> 00:48:01,200
Speaker 1: Is that correct? I'm not blaming, just bringing lights of

713
00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:06,719
Speaker 1: the situation. We deserve justice. So you're assuming that had

714
00:48:07,320 --> 00:48:10,080
Speaker 1: Dr le Grain used Martin sperm, Emma would be alive,

715
00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:14,440
Speaker 1: just based on what other doctors had told me. I

716
00:48:14,520 --> 00:48:17,279
Speaker 1: want to talk about. You found out Marcus was not

717
00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:20,640
Speaker 1: as soon. The prosecution has them on the edge of

718
00:48:20,719 --> 00:48:25,600
Speaker 1: their seats with the closing. Yes, the do Boy family

719
00:48:25,719 --> 00:48:29,680
Speaker 1: wanted a baby, but they did not want the defendant's baby.

720
00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:34,560
Speaker 1: They wanted a baby that could help Emma. They could

721
00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:39,360
Speaker 1: have been born if he had used Mark sperm. This

722
00:48:39,640 --> 00:48:43,040
Speaker 1: doctor's deadly disregard is why we are asking you to

723
00:48:43,200 --> 00:48:47,000
Speaker 1: find the only verdict that the evidence supports and that

724
00:48:47,239 --> 00:48:52,560
Speaker 1: justice demands, find Pierre le Grain guilty of first degree

725
00:48:52,680 --> 00:48:57,359
Speaker 1: fraud and second degree depraved heart murder for the death

726
00:48:57,600 --> 00:49:03,120
Speaker 1: of eight year old Emma Duke Boy. Thank you, Thank you,

727
00:49:03,239 --> 00:49:07,279
Speaker 1: prosecution to the defense of a closing argument, Yes, your honor,

728
00:49:08,840 --> 00:49:12,200
Speaker 1: members of the jury, the Dubois family came to Dr

729
00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:16,920
Speaker 1: Legrain hoping for a miracle. They knew there was no guarantee,

730
00:49:17,680 --> 00:49:20,880
Speaker 1: but they had a plan. The state just told you

731
00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:23,840
Speaker 1: that Dr le Grain is not a miracle worker. That

732
00:49:24,040 --> 00:49:27,200
Speaker 1: is correct. He is not a miracle worker. Dr Legrain

733
00:49:27,640 --> 00:49:31,960
Speaker 1: cannot create magic out of dust. What he did by

734
00:49:32,080 --> 00:49:36,320
Speaker 1: choosing to use his own sperm was he provided a

735
00:49:36,560 --> 00:49:39,759
Speaker 1: chance for him, a chance that had he used Martin

736
00:49:39,880 --> 00:49:46,200
Speaker 1: Dubois sperm, would have been highly unlikely. But oftentimes, members

737
00:49:46,239 --> 00:49:50,840
Speaker 1: of the jury, when tragedy comes upon us, when we

738
00:49:50,960 --> 00:49:54,560
Speaker 1: lose a child, when our dreams and expectations are not met,

739
00:49:55,320 --> 00:49:59,080
Speaker 1: oftentimes and our grief and our pain and our suffering,

740
00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:02,480
Speaker 1: we look for somebody to blame. We look for a scapegoat,

741
00:50:02,719 --> 00:50:06,040
Speaker 1: because that is the easy route. And today the state

742
00:50:06,160 --> 00:50:09,520
Speaker 1: has chosen. While the two l's battle it out at

743
00:50:09,560 --> 00:50:13,279
Speaker 1: the Capital City Challenge, graduating three, al Matt Skinner is

744
00:50:13,360 --> 00:50:16,279
Speaker 1: cleaning out his desk at the Public Defender's Office, I'd

745
00:50:16,320 --> 00:50:23,320
Speaker 1: be over, should we? Uh? Do you are tradition for

746
00:50:23,400 --> 00:50:33,880
Speaker 1: the last time? Over to the source all my copies

747
00:50:33,960 --> 00:50:40,799
Speaker 1: for everybody since I made Matthew all Hart. It's kind

748
00:50:40,840 --> 00:50:44,759
Speaker 1: of like a newborn bird who just has his wet,

749
00:50:45,320 --> 00:50:49,480
Speaker 1: stubbly little feathers, but you think he can fly. Just

750
00:50:49,760 --> 00:50:52,440
Speaker 1: kick him out of the nest. Run a day in

751
00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:58,960
Speaker 1: the life of well, I suppose it's about that time. Huh.

752
00:50:59,080 --> 00:51:03,359
Speaker 1: I'll keep you posted on that suppression and then if

753
00:51:03,400 --> 00:51:05,480
Speaker 1: it does get appealed or whatever, or if it does

754
00:51:05,560 --> 00:51:09,520
Speaker 1: have a trial, we'll probably peel you in and have

755
00:51:09,680 --> 00:51:13,279
Speaker 1: you come second chair across some more cops. All right,

756
00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:18,480
Speaker 1: hopefully it'll be an actual turn. Yeah, all right, man,

757
00:51:19,160 --> 00:51:22,880
Speaker 1: Well walk you out here. I'm sure I'll stop by.

758
00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:26,760
Speaker 1: I gotta turn this into Tracy up the old time sheets,

759
00:51:27,480 --> 00:51:32,040
Speaker 1: last one. Are you still here? Did a did a

760
00:51:32,080 --> 00:51:36,960
Speaker 1: coffee run, But I'm out. Thank you for the semester

761
00:51:37,120 --> 00:51:40,279
Speaker 1: and everything. P. D o Ver the summer past two

762
00:51:40,280 --> 00:51:43,960
Speaker 1: summers is great. I learned a lot. We did a

763
00:51:44,040 --> 00:51:49,359
Speaker 1: trade job today. Thank you. So we appreciate everything. Thanks

764
00:51:49,400 --> 00:51:53,200
Speaker 1: for everything. I appreciate it. We'll see you later, all right, man,

765
00:51:54,120 --> 00:51:57,560
Speaker 1: we'll see you. Yeah. I forgot my bag in your try.

766
00:52:10,680 --> 00:52:12,839
Speaker 1: We gotta jump on a zoom in with Rose. I'm

767
00:52:12,840 --> 00:52:15,080
Speaker 1: trying to get us on it right now. Okay, just

768
00:52:15,120 --> 00:52:17,000
Speaker 1: told me what yea is she about Ray Ripple's apart.

769
00:52:17,960 --> 00:52:25,600
Speaker 1: I thought we did good. Yeah, well she's gonna yell well,

770
00:52:25,680 --> 00:52:27,399
Speaker 1: at least this guy is not going to jail because

771
00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:31,160
Speaker 1: it's not a real case. Back on campus, the South

772
00:52:31,239 --> 00:52:34,560
Speaker 1: Dakota team had good responses from the judges, and then

773
00:52:34,800 --> 00:52:39,000
Speaker 1: Mr MOLLSQUI you have a really great natural presence and

774
00:52:39,360 --> 00:52:41,879
Speaker 1: and like I mean, I don't know if it's improvisation,

775
00:52:41,960 --> 00:52:44,640
Speaker 1: but it feels like like, especially over zoom, it's so

776
00:52:44,760 --> 00:52:47,520
Speaker 1: hard not to feel like everyone's just like hello, Miami

777
00:52:47,560 --> 00:52:49,799
Speaker 1: is Kyl and you know, and I thought you had

778
00:52:49,840 --> 00:52:52,719
Speaker 1: a really great way of being able to show like

779
00:52:52,840 --> 00:52:57,160
Speaker 1: a natural presence and responding to witnesses in a great way.

780
00:52:58,000 --> 00:52:59,600
Speaker 1: And a great job, and good luck for the rest

781
00:52:59,640 --> 00:53:03,239
Speaker 1: of the round, Thank you, thank you. But they are

782
00:53:03,400 --> 00:53:08,759
Speaker 1: anxiously awaiting feedback from their toughest critic. I think the

783
00:53:08,840 --> 00:53:11,279
Speaker 1: round overall went particularly well. I thought you both were

784
00:53:11,320 --> 00:53:15,799
Speaker 1: deadly on cross examination in terms of overall skills. One

785
00:53:15,800 --> 00:53:17,880
Speaker 1: thing that I want to talk about in particular, Tyler,

786
00:53:17,960 --> 00:53:21,279
Speaker 1: you're closing the line. Dr le Grain is not a

787
00:53:21,360 --> 00:53:24,040
Speaker 1: mirrable worker, and you cannot create magic out of dust.

788
00:53:24,680 --> 00:53:27,879
Speaker 1: That was a beautiful life, that was beautifully, beautifully dead.

789
00:53:27,920 --> 00:53:30,760
Speaker 1: But what I need from you, you've got to get organized,

790
00:53:30,840 --> 00:53:33,480
Speaker 1: and you've got to pick where you're sticking your ending tomorrow.

791
00:53:33,760 --> 00:53:35,480
Speaker 1: We'll get it. We'll get if I get to go

792
00:53:35,560 --> 00:53:39,319
Speaker 1: to it's gonna better tonight. When you're not gonna sleep,

793
00:53:39,360 --> 00:53:40,800
Speaker 1: because you're not going to sleep no matter what I

794
00:53:40,920 --> 00:53:44,360
Speaker 1: tell you. And perhaps you should pick the path. You

795
00:53:44,480 --> 00:53:46,400
Speaker 1: gotta pick for like three things that you're going to

796
00:53:46,440 --> 00:53:48,479
Speaker 1: spend your time on. And then you got to plot

797
00:53:48,520 --> 00:53:51,320
Speaker 1: out that last paragraph with that American flat behind you.

798
00:53:51,760 --> 00:53:54,680
Speaker 1: I should see it start waving in non existence South

799
00:53:54,760 --> 00:53:57,759
Speaker 1: Dakota wind. I should see it blown like it's down

800
00:53:57,800 --> 00:54:00,480
Speaker 1: on the damn rariy in the middle of the winter, Tyler.

801
00:54:00,920 --> 00:54:03,560
Speaker 1: And I'll get it. I'll get it. I'll get it good,

802
00:54:04,040 --> 00:54:07,680
Speaker 1: good because you can. Because guys, there was some true

803
00:54:07,719 --> 00:54:10,880
Speaker 1: brilliant throughout this entire trial from both of you and

804
00:54:11,080 --> 00:54:15,120
Speaker 1: all of the skills. Okay, look you walked into the

805
00:54:15,239 --> 00:54:17,120
Speaker 1: room and you said, yeah, we can do this too,

806
00:54:18,440 --> 00:54:21,480
Speaker 1: and you refuse to be denied. The fact that you

807
00:54:21,560 --> 00:54:25,399
Speaker 1: got complimented on your evidentiary arguments is a big deal

808
00:54:25,600 --> 00:54:28,799
Speaker 1: at these competitions. Shake off whatever it is that you're

809
00:54:28,800 --> 00:54:31,200
Speaker 1: beating yourself up about in your head, because I can

810
00:54:31,239 --> 00:54:33,719
Speaker 1: see it on both of your faces. Knock it off. Well,

811
00:54:33,800 --> 00:54:35,320
Speaker 1: we thought this was going to be a bunch. And

812
00:54:35,360 --> 00:54:38,200
Speaker 1: Professor Rose, look, you want me to do the part

813
00:54:38,239 --> 00:54:39,879
Speaker 1: where I where I show you at I can chew

814
00:54:39,920 --> 00:54:41,840
Speaker 1: you out on I think you know what The format

815
00:54:41,880 --> 00:54:46,279
Speaker 1: for objection is objection legal basis. That is your rule, analysis, conclusion.

816
00:54:47,280 --> 00:54:49,280
Speaker 1: You know what that is. You spent all that semester

817
00:54:49,400 --> 00:54:52,360
Speaker 1: doing an evidence. It's like there's a method to demandness, gentlemen.

818
00:54:52,840 --> 00:54:54,880
Speaker 1: It's like there's a reason that we argue things in

819
00:54:54,960 --> 00:54:57,800
Speaker 1: class the way that we did. I want you to

820
00:54:57,880 --> 00:54:59,880
Speaker 1: focus on the hind points. I want you to fo

821
00:55:00,080 --> 00:55:02,400
Speaker 1: was on the great things that you did. This is

822
00:55:02,440 --> 00:55:04,840
Speaker 1: a learning experience. We are learning and we are growing.

823
00:55:05,600 --> 00:55:07,799
Speaker 1: You hold your own against Howard. You should be proud

824
00:55:07,840 --> 00:55:10,719
Speaker 1: of that. Now what do you all need to do?

825
00:55:10,880 --> 00:55:11,880
Speaker 1: You need to go to the hell of then you

826
00:55:11,920 --> 00:55:14,719
Speaker 1: sho got to howl around tomorrow against Georgia, But for

827
00:55:14,840 --> 00:55:16,920
Speaker 1: tonight should be proud. You should be proud of the effort,

828
00:55:16,920 --> 00:55:19,560
Speaker 1: and you should be proud of about you pushed the

829
00:55:19,680 --> 00:55:22,400
Speaker 1: work that you won't put into This is clear, thank you.

830
00:55:25,640 --> 00:55:28,400
Speaker 1: None of us gets through life, so everybody is standing

831
00:55:28,440 --> 00:55:30,400
Speaker 1: on the shoulders of the people that came before them.

832
00:55:31,680 --> 00:55:34,480
Speaker 1: I caught up with Coach Rose a little later that day.

833
00:55:35,320 --> 00:55:37,560
Speaker 1: You and I both know anybody could be an advocate,

834
00:55:37,600 --> 00:55:41,120
Speaker 1: but not everybody could be a trial lawyer fair. You

835
00:55:41,239 --> 00:55:43,080
Speaker 1: have to learn to be able to spot what's going

836
00:55:43,120 --> 00:55:45,560
Speaker 1: on in your case and here that moment when the

837
00:55:45,640 --> 00:55:47,440
Speaker 1: jury kind of shifts and you can feel that moment

838
00:55:47,520 --> 00:55:50,239
Speaker 1: where they've made a decision about something and lean into

839
00:55:50,320 --> 00:55:52,239
Speaker 1: that thing that they've made a decision about because it's

840
00:55:52,239 --> 00:55:55,840
Speaker 1: working for you. That's advocacy, the ability to adjust in

841
00:55:55,880 --> 00:55:58,879
Speaker 1: to communicate on this very human level about these very

842
00:55:58,960 --> 00:56:01,680
Speaker 1: human subjects so that we can continue to speak truth

843
00:56:01,760 --> 00:56:05,200
Speaker 1: to power and protect democracy. My students always laugh at

844
00:56:05,200 --> 00:56:06,360
Speaker 1: me because they say that I like to get on

845
00:56:06,400 --> 00:56:09,040
Speaker 1: a soapbox about that, but it's the truth. The American

846
00:56:09,120 --> 00:56:11,200
Speaker 1: trial system is the thing that stands in the way

847
00:56:11,719 --> 00:56:15,600
Speaker 1: of the government and corporations being able to run ramshot

848
00:56:15,680 --> 00:56:19,279
Speaker 1: over people. As Tyler and the team pack up for

849
00:56:19,320 --> 00:56:23,120
Speaker 1: the day, they realize this maybe their last tournament of

850
00:56:23,200 --> 00:56:27,239
Speaker 1: the year. She wasn't too bad. I knew she was

851
00:56:27,280 --> 00:56:29,960
Speaker 1: going to call us some criticism there. It was well deserved,

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Speaker 1: but she said we had moments of brilliance, so I'll

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Speaker 1: take it. Yeah, I'm always gonna Monday, you know, always

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Speaker 1: look back and think of glad I've done better. But

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Speaker 1: I'm exhausted right now. I feel like I gave it everything.

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Speaker 1: We're all two else as well. But even with that,

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Speaker 1: For real reason they challenged us was because they knew

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Speaker 1: we're gonna stand around. We're gonna hold it around against anybody,

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Speaker 1: you know. Coach Rose talks about South Dakota nice out

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Speaker 1: Years ago, before leaving for Harvard, the young Ron Veleski

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Speaker 1: we decided we get ten speed bicycles and leave from

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Speaker 1: bus home. I decided to ride my bike home. But

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Speaker 1: gone a little hitchhiking tour. And I did hitchhike up

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Speaker 1: spent some time together before I came back and left

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Speaker 1: for college. I did reconnect with my mother in that respect,

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Speaker 1: father sixteen. I guess seventeen when I saw my father

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Speaker 1: first met him. That's another whole story. We don't have

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Speaker 1: time for all that, just having me disteystyst Disney shot.

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