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Speaker 1: It is Thursday, December three. Big show ahead today. I've

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Speaker 1: we got another tremendous interview today. Clinton portis former Washington

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Speaker 1: make what's going on? Man? Appreciate Yeah, hey, thanks for

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00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:41,120
Speaker 1: taking the time. I know you're a busy guy. Everybody

426
00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:43,960
Speaker 1: wants to get into Clinton Portis business because he's, uh,

427
00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:46,520
Speaker 1: you know, a comedian and dude, I want to start here.

428
00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:49,840
Speaker 1: I was just looking at the last time the Washington

429
00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:52,920
Speaker 1: Football Club made the playoffs, and you were the star

430
00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:56,760
Speaker 1: on that team fifteen years ago. That was the last

431
00:23:56,800 --> 00:24:00,479
Speaker 1: time they won a playoff game two thousand five in Clinton.

432
00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:02,840
Speaker 1: I mean, listen, I'm not trying to bash your teammates,

433
00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:05,679
Speaker 1: but I was looking at that roster. Holy cow, you

434
00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:08,000
Speaker 1: carry that team. Is your back? Okay? From carrying those

435
00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:12,639
Speaker 1: Washington Football Club man, you know what's crazy that I

436
00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:16,200
Speaker 1: was probably one of the closest teams that I ever

437
00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:19,800
Speaker 1: played on, and I think we did something so special

438
00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:23,200
Speaker 1: because everyone had to gel together. Everyone knew their role

439
00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:26,000
Speaker 1: and went out and competed. I think we had to

440
00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:29,040
Speaker 1: win like six or seven games in a road to

441
00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:33,680
Speaker 1: get into the playoffs. And as a team, everyone came together.

442
00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:36,840
Speaker 1: It was crazy. And then, um, if you look at

443
00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:41,200
Speaker 1: Washington period that time, they had Arenus in Karan Butler

444
00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:45,080
Speaker 1: and they were competing with the Calves. So the city

445
00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:49,119
Speaker 1: was on fire at that time, Like it was Arenus

446
00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:54,040
Speaker 1: importance and Moss and Butler and hate like the city

447
00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:58,360
Speaker 1: was crazy. That's That's probably the craziest time or year

448
00:24:58,440 --> 00:25:01,360
Speaker 1: that I ever had in sport. Wow, even more than

449
00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:04,359
Speaker 1: at the you where I can only assume it was crazy.

450
00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:06,960
Speaker 1: We'll get to that later. I know Karen Butler a

451
00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:08,800
Speaker 1: little bit. I've done some work with him at FS one.

452
00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:11,320
Speaker 1: Super great guy, and you're right, he was on that

453
00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:14,040
Speaker 1: Wizards team that was battling with Lebron. I think it

454
00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:19,720
Speaker 1: was with Deshaun Stevenson, maybe Shawn Stevenson, Brendan Haywood Man

455
00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:24,199
Speaker 1: that team bro they just kept running into Lebron. That

456
00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:27,960
Speaker 1: was the only issue. Anybody else then Arenas carry us

457
00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:30,280
Speaker 1: to where we need to be, but they kept running

458
00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:33,040
Speaker 1: into Lebron. I think, let me ask Lebron told him

459
00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:35,480
Speaker 1: at the free throw line that he was gonna miss,

460
00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:39,359
Speaker 1: and he missed the two free throw brutal. That was

461
00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:41,840
Speaker 1: brutal for Gilbert Arenas. But I want to ask, like,

462
00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:45,639
Speaker 1: do you what do you attribute Washington's team being so unified?

463
00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:48,080
Speaker 1: Is that kind of about the coach? I think it

464
00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:50,000
Speaker 1: was Joe Gibbs at the time, was at the veteran

465
00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:52,840
Speaker 1: quarterback in Brunelle or I mean, who who was the

466
00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:56,200
Speaker 1: locker room leader? Was it? You? Well? You know, actually

467
00:25:56,320 --> 00:26:00,240
Speaker 1: Brunelle got hurt that year, So I think of one

468
00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:04,440
Speaker 1: else carried us, and maybe Todd Collins, uh if I'm

469
00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:08,200
Speaker 1: not mistaken, but uh, I just think it was a

470
00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:12,120
Speaker 1: team coming together. Man. The entire coaching staff, everybody bought

471
00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:17,040
Speaker 1: into what coach Gibbs was selling. And you coach Gibbs

472
00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:20,200
Speaker 1: could get that entire team to run through a brick

473
00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:23,040
Speaker 1: wall and if you look, it was just tough, structured defense.

474
00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:25,040
Speaker 1: It was like, hey, we're gonna be in a nail

475
00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:28,320
Speaker 1: by that. This game is gonna finish thirteen and teen

476
00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:32,240
Speaker 1: or ten and seven or ten and six, and it

477
00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:35,240
Speaker 1: was just one of those hard fought teams like where

478
00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:39,119
Speaker 1: everybody bought into the coach's identity, everybody believed in the

479
00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:42,679
Speaker 1: coach and that coaching staff. And the worst thing that

480
00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:46,240
Speaker 1: happened was after that season that we came so close

481
00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:49,359
Speaker 1: because we should have beat Seattle in Seattle, and we

482
00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:54,680
Speaker 1: had already been uh, Chicago, I think earlier that season,

483
00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:56,919
Speaker 1: so we would have had to play them. Anyways, the

484
00:26:56,960 --> 00:27:01,639
Speaker 1: Super Bowl ended up with the Stillers, and wasn't the

485
00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:05,679
Speaker 1: Sillisan Bears might have been Steelers Seahawks. Yeah, that's a

486
00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:09,239
Speaker 1: good question, Yes, Steeler Seahawks. Anyway, whoever it was we

487
00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:14,000
Speaker 1: had we had already been those teams uh that season

488
00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:18,800
Speaker 1: in two thousand and five, so we were maybe a

489
00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:24,680
Speaker 1: player away, and they switched our entire offense. They took

490
00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:29,040
Speaker 1: the chemistry away and made the huge jump in and

491
00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:32,560
Speaker 1: trying to correct it, and it set us back. And

492
00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:35,720
Speaker 1: you know, I think that was probably the closest team

493
00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:38,480
Speaker 1: that we had. And I'm thinking of the onsung heroes,

494
00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:42,760
Speaker 1: the markets Washington and Ryan Clark's before every before the

495
00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:45,840
Speaker 1: World War exposed to him, all of our playing at

496
00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:49,919
Speaker 1: a high level. Uh, Chris Samuel's like you had so

497
00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:53,640
Speaker 1: many unsung heroes on that team that it just came

498
00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:58,199
Speaker 1: together and like we were inseparable. What was it like

499
00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:01,440
Speaker 1: as a young guy living in d C when when uh,

500
00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:04,399
Speaker 1: you know the Wizards were good. Sean Taylor I think

501
00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:06,840
Speaker 1: was on that two thousand five team, you guys, Yeah,

502
00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:08,800
Speaker 1: I mean you were like a big guy on campus

503
00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:13,200
Speaker 1: in d C. Was that it was just popping off? Um,

504
00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:16,400
Speaker 1: you know it was it was just you know how

505
00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:19,000
Speaker 1: you're in a time and you don't even realize it.

506
00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:21,919
Speaker 1: You know, like normally when you go through something or

507
00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:25,800
Speaker 1: this is like the height of your career, you don't

508
00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:29,480
Speaker 1: realize how hot you all are. And I think we

509
00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:32,920
Speaker 1: had just gotten back together, like we had just gotten

510
00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:36,879
Speaker 1: the band back together, Myself, Santana and Sean t Like

511
00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:41,840
Speaker 1: that was you and we needed we needed Santana so bad,

512
00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:45,760
Speaker 1: and Lavernius Colds wanted out and you know, they swamped

513
00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:49,160
Speaker 1: Lavinius and Santana and then all of a sudden, Chris

514
00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:52,640
Speaker 1: Cooley came alive. Like it was just one of those

515
00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:56,600
Speaker 1: times where it's like you're growing up in the neighborhood

516
00:28:56,880 --> 00:29:00,360
Speaker 1: and you come home and your neighbor is already sitting house,

517
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:03,600
Speaker 1: eat at at your dinner table. You know, That's how

518
00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:06,880
Speaker 1: it was. It was one of those doors open type team,

519
00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:09,720
Speaker 1: like all your teammates would come by the house, or

520
00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:12,280
Speaker 1: you all went to dinner, or you all hung out.

521
00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:14,920
Speaker 1: And I don't think people realize the importance are the

522
00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:19,200
Speaker 1: role that that chemistry plays in sports. And if you

523
00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:21,080
Speaker 1: look at some of the teams that win, you know,

524
00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:24,800
Speaker 1: you look at the Lebron lad teams and they're constantly

525
00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:28,520
Speaker 1: doing something together. You look at uh the Brady you know,

526
00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:30,920
Speaker 1: you look at Tom Brady and you wonder how these

527
00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:35,640
Speaker 1: teams established um winning culture. And that's it. You gotta

528
00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:40,600
Speaker 1: have a locker room, that's one. And once that locker

529
00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:44,920
Speaker 1: room gets that focus and they do it together, it's

530
00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:47,360
Speaker 1: tough to beat those kind of teams. Yeah, what about

531
00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:49,360
Speaker 1: Daniel Snyder. I know he's taking a lot of heat.

532
00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:51,840
Speaker 1: Uh you know, again, the franchise is going big time

533
00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:54,800
Speaker 1: downhill during the mix this season to win the division,

534
00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:57,720
Speaker 1: but that ain't saying much. Did you have any interaction

535
00:29:57,760 --> 00:29:59,920
Speaker 1: with him or I know the franchise is going through

536
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:02,720
Speaker 1: lot in recent years, but do you remember your time

537
00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:04,440
Speaker 1: with him when he was one of the in the

538
00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:07,280
Speaker 1: early days of him being the owner of the team. Man,

539
00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:10,800
Speaker 1: I love Dan Snyder. Man, then it's such a great

540
00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:13,480
Speaker 1: guy on an off the field, you know. I think

541
00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:18,000
Speaker 1: he takes a lot of blame for so much that

542
00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:20,520
Speaker 1: he's not even involved in, you know. And I was

543
00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:23,200
Speaker 1: telling this to a Red Skin fan recently and they

544
00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:27,000
Speaker 1: were like, yeah, Dan Snyder x y Z fans hate him.

545
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:29,680
Speaker 1: And I said why, you know, why do fans hate

546
00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:33,080
Speaker 1: Dan Snyder Because if you look back at whatever that

547
00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:37,280
Speaker 1: gear was or whatever that request was from the fans,

548
00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:41,680
Speaker 1: he gave you exactly what you wanted. Whenever my entire

549
00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:45,760
Speaker 1: career in d C, whatever the fans, whatever the noise

550
00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:48,720
Speaker 1: was from the outside, Oh they need to do this,

551
00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:51,280
Speaker 1: or they need to acquire that person. He went out

552
00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:54,160
Speaker 1: and acquired um. And then when it didn't work, it

553
00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:57,760
Speaker 1: was like they blamed him. But that's what they asked for.

554
00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:01,880
Speaker 1: So I always thought Dan took a bad rap, a

555
00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:06,720
Speaker 1: lot of negativity for whatever reason. But in reality, it's

556
00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:09,600
Speaker 1: just one of those guys who's always trying to get

557
00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:12,520
Speaker 1: his organization to the top, and he did it and

558
00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:16,280
Speaker 1: spending early on back in the day when when when

559
00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:20,240
Speaker 1: organizations weren't spending money, so it seemed crazy that he

560
00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:22,800
Speaker 1: was spending so wildly. And then all of a sudden,

561
00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:25,400
Speaker 1: they wanted him removed, and they wanted him to pass

562
00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:29,120
Speaker 1: pass the torture and let someone else running the organization.

563
00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:31,400
Speaker 1: And when he did that, he took all the blame

564
00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:34,160
Speaker 1: for that as well. So it's one of those situations

565
00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:37,520
Speaker 1: that you can't win with. And I think he's constantly trying,

566
00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:40,400
Speaker 1: constantly trying to figure out a way to get that

567
00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:44,240
Speaker 1: organization back to glory. Day's interesting, I you know, you

568
00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:46,840
Speaker 1: hear you, and hear read a lot about him being

569
00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:49,720
Speaker 1: kind of one of these meddling owners who hasn't done well,

570
00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:51,760
Speaker 1: But I hadn't heard that perspective that you're a kind

571
00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:53,440
Speaker 1: of a fan. Have you guys kept in contact at

572
00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:56,160
Speaker 1: all or no? Yeah, he just had a birthday, you know,

573
00:31:56,280 --> 00:32:01,120
Speaker 1: And he just had a birthday right before uh Thanksgiving,

574
00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:04,400
Speaker 1: So I think of three I spoke with him then,

575
00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:07,959
Speaker 1: and we share something in common that no one will

576
00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:10,800
Speaker 1: ever be able to break, and that's uh, you know,

577
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:14,360
Speaker 1: Sean Taylor, And you hate to um, you hate to

578
00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:17,560
Speaker 1: bring that up, but uh, Dan Tider was the one

579
00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:20,320
Speaker 1: that knocked at the door to tell me that Sean

580
00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:23,320
Speaker 1: Taylor had passed. And I remember opening the door and

581
00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:25,800
Speaker 1: he just kind of fell into my arm. So when

582
00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:28,680
Speaker 1: you get those kind of bonds, you you create those

583
00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:34,200
Speaker 1: kind of uh buns together. It's something that I never changed,

584
00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:37,360
Speaker 1: you know, whether I'm playing, whether I'm involved in the

585
00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:40,680
Speaker 1: organization or not. The respect that we will have for

586
00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:43,760
Speaker 1: one another, knowing the moments or the times that we've

587
00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:46,720
Speaker 1: shared will always be there. Oh man, So he knocked

588
00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:49,520
Speaker 1: on your door. I mean, I'm assuming he'd never been

589
00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:54,400
Speaker 1: to your house before he got We were at we

590
00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:57,040
Speaker 1: were at the Mandarin or you in Miami. We have

591
00:32:57,160 --> 00:33:00,760
Speaker 1: flew down. We we had flew down to the family

592
00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:04,360
Speaker 1: and uh to check on on Sean when the news broken.

593
00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:07,200
Speaker 1: So we had flew down. We stayed at the Mandarin

594
00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:11,880
Speaker 1: Oriental and you know, the doctor was in contact with

595
00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:16,719
Speaker 1: Mr Snyder or and you know, he was keeping us

596
00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:19,640
Speaker 1: updated and we were at we were at dinner and

597
00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:22,320
Speaker 1: the doctor kind of gave a call at the signs

598
00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:26,880
Speaker 1: were positive and things were, uh, we're looking up, you know,

599
00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:29,640
Speaker 1: and he just said, if if Sean makes it through tonight,

600
00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:32,960
Speaker 1: then um, he has a chance. Like I feel good

601
00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:37,200
Speaker 1: about his recovery, and you know, I was going to

602
00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:39,200
Speaker 1: go back to the hospital and then was like, man,

603
00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:42,280
Speaker 1: you know, it's a long day, Sean needs to rest.

604
00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:45,160
Speaker 1: You should rest. We're gonna We're gonna go over the

605
00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:48,560
Speaker 1: first thing in the morning. And I just remember getting

606
00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:50,520
Speaker 1: to knock at the door and I looked at the

607
00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:54,200
Speaker 1: window and realized it was still dark. So I knew

608
00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:57,080
Speaker 1: it was bad news because it wasn't first thing in

609
00:33:57,120 --> 00:34:00,440
Speaker 1: the morning, so I hadn't overslept, and it was just

610
00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:03,120
Speaker 1: one of those like please, don't let this be what

611
00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:05,960
Speaker 1: I think it is. And I opened the door and

612
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:09,000
Speaker 1: Dan just fell into my arms and was like he

613
00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:13,720
Speaker 1: didn't make it. And you know, we shared that moment

614
00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:17,680
Speaker 1: and it was forever because I saw the genuine and

615
00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:20,760
Speaker 1: Dan Snyder, no matter what people believe and no matter

616
00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:24,920
Speaker 1: what people think. Um, I saw a man ship tears

617
00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:28,359
Speaker 1: over my frame, like this was my homeboy, this was

618
00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:32,520
Speaker 1: my teammate. UH and and for him to be affected

619
00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:37,480
Speaker 1: that the same way everyone else was. I think it

620
00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:41,440
Speaker 1: is what changed our bond. Man. Yeah, I can't. I

621
00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:43,960
Speaker 1: mean those Miami team you were on with UH, with

622
00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:46,480
Speaker 1: Sean Taylor. I think it was Greg Oldson on one

623
00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:49,000
Speaker 1: of those teams. I mean, you guys were so loaded.

624
00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:52,240
Speaker 1: You know, Sean was actually a pulp on the team.

625
00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:56,239
Speaker 1: It Read was the moon. It read was also and

626
00:34:56,960 --> 00:35:03,480
Speaker 1: our our tight end was Shocking and wins Yeah, exactly,

627
00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:07,279
Speaker 1: our tight ends with Shocking and Winslow and uh ed

628
00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:09,440
Speaker 1: Read was the leader of that defense. And you had

629
00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:13,240
Speaker 1: Vince Wilford over there, uh causing hell. You have Philip

630
00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:16,879
Speaker 1: du Kinnan one of my favorite players at all time, uh,

631
00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:20,640
Speaker 1: who was also my roommate, causing hell. That team was

632
00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:23,480
Speaker 1: just one of those teams where we competed. You know

633
00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:27,680
Speaker 1: Andre Johnson. Uh, the list goes on with with the

634
00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:30,279
Speaker 1: guys and the names that was on that list, but

635
00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:32,640
Speaker 1: you know, just the stories that came with all of

636
00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:35,840
Speaker 1: those guys. Read stayed in school when he could have left.

637
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:40,920
Speaker 1: Andre Johnson red shirt because we had Santana and Reggie

638
00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:44,759
Speaker 1: Wayne at the wide receiver position. So Andre had to

639
00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:48,719
Speaker 1: red shirt and that was his first moment of of

640
00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:52,719
Speaker 1: just actually taking over at the receiver position, and Shocking

641
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:57,160
Speaker 1: of course was hell on wheels. Uh. You look at

642
00:35:57,160 --> 00:36:00,440
Speaker 1: that defense. You had young guys and Film and DJ

643
00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:04,719
Speaker 1: Williams at the lineback in position that were making the

644
00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:08,000
Speaker 1: name for themselves. You look at that defensive line. You

645
00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:12,080
Speaker 1: had William Joseph and Vince Wilford that went on to

646
00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:14,439
Speaker 1: play in the NFL at a high level as well.

647
00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:19,040
Speaker 1: So it was a players throughout and we competed at everything. Yeah.

648
00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:22,040
Speaker 1: You you mentioned earlier about being on Washington at a time,

649
00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:24,239
Speaker 1: uh in d C. And you didn't really know that

650
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:26,520
Speaker 1: was the height of your career. I'm looking at this

651
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:29,520
Speaker 1: Hurricanes team when you guys were so stacked in two

652
00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:33,200
Speaker 1: thousand one, I mean Clinton, the roster is basically like

653
00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:35,719
Speaker 1: twenty guys who played in the NFL. I mean, did

654
00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:37,719
Speaker 1: you guys at the time. No, Oh man, this it

655
00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:39,759
Speaker 1: doesn't get better than this. This is one of the

656
00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:43,640
Speaker 1: greatest collections of talent in college football history. Well, you're

657
00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:46,279
Speaker 1: saying twenty guys that played in the NFL. You're talking

658
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:49,319
Speaker 1: about twenty guys that were the best at their position

659
00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:52,960
Speaker 1: period of time. Not only did they play in the NFL,

660
00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:57,040
Speaker 1: they went on to make Pro Bowls and tops in

661
00:36:57,520 --> 00:37:01,400
Speaker 1: in the organization at their position or throughout the NFL.

662
00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:04,840
Speaker 1: And when you think of that, and you think of

663
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:08,240
Speaker 1: the competition that we had on campus or the work

664
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:11,480
Speaker 1: that guys put in you could believe it, but at

665
00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:13,760
Speaker 1: the time that we were at the University of Miami,

666
00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:16,279
Speaker 1: no one knew that they were that no one knew

667
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:18,799
Speaker 1: and we would go down as one of the best

668
00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:21,760
Speaker 1: safeties of all time. You knew he had it in him,

669
00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:26,800
Speaker 1: but just some of the decisions he made in college

670
00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:30,160
Speaker 1: that led to him being so dominant and so great,

671
00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:32,720
Speaker 1: you know, because he could have left school, but he chose,

672
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:34,880
Speaker 1: you know what, I'm gonna pass up on this money,

673
00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:38,880
Speaker 1: I'm coming back to school. And then teams or twenty

674
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:41,879
Speaker 1: three teams passed over him. So for him to make

675
00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:44,520
Speaker 1: it to the Ravens and to go on to have

676
00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:47,680
Speaker 1: a career that he had, you know, it did it

677
00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:50,120
Speaker 1: did so much for so many guys. When you look

678
00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:54,240
Speaker 1: at Andre Johnson, uh, Andrea was gonna leave school with me, Phieling,

679
00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:57,919
Speaker 1: and Andrea was that was our recruit. Andrea was gonna

680
00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:02,200
Speaker 1: leave school with us, and his um stopped and and say, hey,

681
00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:05,560
Speaker 1: one more year, babe, Like one more year. And he

682
00:38:05,719 --> 00:38:08,040
Speaker 1: go on to be the second pick in the draft

683
00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:12,120
Speaker 1: and the best player in the Texas franchise history. If

684
00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:15,120
Speaker 1: you actually so. There was so many stories and so

685
00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:20,200
Speaker 1: many decisions made within UH, within that collective group of

686
00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:22,520
Speaker 1: guys that to see them go on and have the

687
00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:26,680
Speaker 1: success that they had, Like the competition we had over

688
00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:29,520
Speaker 1: a run over a period of time when you're looking

689
00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:33,239
Speaker 1: at guys from you Eddrid James Hall of Famer, when

690
00:38:33,239 --> 00:38:37,399
Speaker 1: you're looking at Santana and Reggie Wayne that don't get

691
00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:42,160
Speaker 1: the credit they deserved that we're so outstanding and detrimental

692
00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:45,520
Speaker 1: at that time. You know, guys like Roscoe Parrish, who

693
00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:49,720
Speaker 1: people forget about, was so talented and so good. Before

694
00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:54,680
Speaker 1: slot receivers were getting there getting their credit, these guys

695
00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:58,040
Speaker 1: were already doing it. So uh, we had so much

696
00:38:58,080 --> 00:39:00,640
Speaker 1: talent on that team and there was so much competition

697
00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:04,520
Speaker 1: that once she got to the NFL, you like, man,

698
00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:08,080
Speaker 1: my homeboy was better than X y Z. And then

699
00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:10,440
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, when your homeboy get this opportunity,

700
00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:13,400
Speaker 1: they're like, Oh, that's the dude you was talking about.

701
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:16,200
Speaker 1: You like, Hell, yeah, that's the dude I was talking about.

702
00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:18,719
Speaker 1: You know, is it is there any way to put

703
00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:21,520
Speaker 1: in context for the average listener, just sports fan who

704
00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:25,160
Speaker 1: gambles on games, plays fantasy football, you know, knows all

705
00:39:25,160 --> 00:39:27,440
Speaker 1: the players, to put in the context what it was

706
00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:30,320
Speaker 1: like being a rock star on that team on campus.

707
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:32,520
Speaker 1: I mean I'm looking at the running backs on that

708
00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:35,919
Speaker 1: two thousand one team, Clinton Portis, Willis mcgahey, Frank Gore,

709
00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:40,400
Speaker 1: Naja Davenport. Those are four NFL players, Frank Gores of

710
00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:44,080
Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame, Clinton Portis mcgahey, historic careers. Like

711
00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:47,680
Speaker 1: were you guys, what was it like on campus? Well,

712
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:50,120
Speaker 1: it was the same because you're leaving out Jared Payne.

713
00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:55,200
Speaker 1: Jared Payne was on that team, the son of Walter Payne,

714
00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:58,280
Speaker 1: one of the greatest players to ever play in the NFL.

715
00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:01,879
Speaker 1: And Jared Payne had zac same talent that his dad did.

716
00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:04,640
Speaker 1: And you know, it was just unfortunately that his father

717
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:08,200
Speaker 1: passed while we were in school because Jared Payton, I

718
00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:10,920
Speaker 1: tell anyone to this day, Jared Payton and Frank Gore

719
00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:15,600
Speaker 1: had the best vision and footwork that I've ever seen

720
00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:18,799
Speaker 1: to this day outside of Barry Sanders. Barry Sanders was

721
00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:21,879
Speaker 1: the only person I would say had better footwork than

722
00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:26,440
Speaker 1: those two guys. So being in being in a meaning

723
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Speaker 1: room and you know, and you know what, I can't

724
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:32,560
Speaker 1: even those often take a nap right now, because a

725
00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:37,000
Speaker 1: young Willis that's hungry is gonna acquire some knowledge or

726
00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:40,640
Speaker 1: a young Frankie g about to acquire some knowledge and

727
00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:42,840
Speaker 1: it's gonna give them a step up. So it was

728
00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:46,240
Speaker 1: just constantly competition and and you know, for me and Frank,

729
00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:49,800
Speaker 1: I think we formed one of those bonds and relationship

730
00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:52,880
Speaker 1: as well. That Frank was just one of those guys

731
00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:55,920
Speaker 1: that was so in love with football. He wanted to

732
00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:59,960
Speaker 1: learn everything that he could possibly learn for his opportunity.

733
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Speaker 1: You So it was like taking Frank under my wings.

734
00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:05,120
Speaker 1: And every time I turn on the TV still seeing

735
00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:07,840
Speaker 1: Frank on the field, seeing how he's moving up the charge,

736
00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:11,279
Speaker 1: You're like, wow, man, like that's Frank and g like,

737
00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:14,279
Speaker 1: that's that's my daughter, that's my boy. So you just

738
00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:16,920
Speaker 1: got to be proud of it. Man. Yeah, I want

739
00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:19,239
Speaker 1: to quickly ask about the running backs. You know, you

740
00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:23,239
Speaker 1: mentioned Frank Gore obviously, and you know I looked at

741
00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:25,520
Speaker 1: two thousand five and what the running backs were making

742
00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:27,960
Speaker 1: and who was at the top, and you know, it's

743
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:30,960
Speaker 1: a little surprising now that running backs the position that

744
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:33,120
Speaker 1: everybody says is dad, it doesn't matter. You could just

745
00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:37,720
Speaker 1: rotate and whoever you want. You know, Christian McCaffrey sixteen million, ZE,

746
00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:41,200
Speaker 1: fifteen mill, Levion Bell thirteen million. But people keep saying

747
00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:43,560
Speaker 1: in the media that you know, who needs a running back?

748
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:46,160
Speaker 1: I don't know, Clinton. I mean, you played the position.

749
00:41:46,600 --> 00:41:49,480
Speaker 1: Running backs clearly matter. They're making a lot of money.

750
00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:52,360
Speaker 1: Well if you if you don't believe running backs matters,

751
00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:54,040
Speaker 1: just go and look at the teams that's played in

752
00:41:54,080 --> 00:41:55,680
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl. You know, you look at the San

753
00:41:55,719 --> 00:41:59,960
Speaker 1: Francisco for your Niners, and how dynamic they're running games

754
00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:05,000
Speaker 1: was last season, how detrimental their running game was for

755
00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:07,600
Speaker 1: them to get to the Super Bowl. And if if

756
00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:11,000
Speaker 1: Kyle Shanahan decided to run the ball maybe three or

757
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:13,960
Speaker 1: four more times in that game. The San Francisco for

758
00:42:14,080 --> 00:42:17,040
Speaker 1: the nine is the Super Bowl Chimps. That's how important

759
00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:19,720
Speaker 1: the running game is. You look at the Kansas City Chiefs.

760
00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:22,719
Speaker 1: It wasn't Patrick Mahomes, it was Williams. It was the

761
00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:25,600
Speaker 1: running back that carried them through the playoffs. Now, my

762
00:42:25,719 --> 00:42:29,200
Speaker 1: Homes did all the old once they got back into

763
00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:32,080
Speaker 1: the game or once he got settled down, my Homes

764
00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:35,400
Speaker 1: took over and he deserved every dollar he got. But

765
00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:37,920
Speaker 1: to get to that point, it was the emergence of

766
00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:40,959
Speaker 1: Williams in the playoffs. You look back prior to that.

767
00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:43,759
Speaker 1: You look at the Atlanta Falcons, you know, and in

768
00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:48,160
Speaker 1: Devonte Freeman and Telvin Coleman in Atlanta they ran to

769
00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:51,160
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl. All of a sudden, Europe, what was

770
00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:56,239
Speaker 1: the one to three and three? You stopped running the ball?

771
00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:59,960
Speaker 1: You're talking about two more carries in the Atlanta Falcon

772
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:02,760
Speaker 1: is beat the New England Patriots in the Super Bowl.

773
00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:06,160
Speaker 1: So that goes to show you how important Seattle Seahawks

774
00:43:06,160 --> 00:43:10,000
Speaker 1: would have another Super Bowl ring if they hand Marshawn

775
00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:13,239
Speaker 1: lynched the ball. So you know, for those people who say, well,

776
00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:17,080
Speaker 1: the running back position is you can put anyone in it, No,

777
00:43:17,239 --> 00:43:20,000
Speaker 1: you can't get the people that you put in it

778
00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:25,120
Speaker 1: have to appreciate their opportunity. That's the problem. We don't

779
00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:28,479
Speaker 1: get the same opportunities we would getting. Back in the day,

780
00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:31,400
Speaker 1: running backs was getting the star running back was getting

781
00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:35,120
Speaker 1: twenty two two thirty carries a game. And now you're

782
00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:37,600
Speaker 1: looking at running backs and they're getting you know, ten

783
00:43:37,640 --> 00:43:40,440
Speaker 1: and fifteen carries a game, and the wide receiver is

784
00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:42,960
Speaker 1: getting ten or fifteen attempts a game. You know, I

785
00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:46,400
Speaker 1: was looking at the stats, uh for the Pittsburgh Stellers

786
00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:49,480
Speaker 1: and at one point Claypool are. A matter of fact,

787
00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:54,000
Speaker 1: Dean Johnson had seven attempts in the first half. He

788
00:43:54,080 --> 00:43:58,640
Speaker 1: had seven seven attempts in the first half. So you

789
00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:01,040
Speaker 1: just look, the ball has been and spread around because

790
00:44:01,040 --> 00:44:04,000
Speaker 1: it's surpassing lead. But I still turn around and hand

791
00:44:04,040 --> 00:44:07,600
Speaker 1: it to my guys. Christian McCaffrey, Dalvin Cook. Those are

792
00:44:07,640 --> 00:44:10,360
Speaker 1: some of the better players in the NFL, Ezekiel Elliott.

793
00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:12,920
Speaker 1: When you get those those guys the ball on a

794
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:16,600
Speaker 1: consistent basis, they give you the production that you expected.

795
00:44:16,719 --> 00:44:18,480
Speaker 1: You look at Nick Chull, if you look at Derrick

796
00:44:18,520 --> 00:44:23,160
Speaker 1: Henry almost taking the Tennessee Titans to the Super Bowl

797
00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:27,120
Speaker 1: last year. You look at Nick chubb emergency in Cleveland

798
00:44:27,360 --> 00:44:30,760
Speaker 1: when everyone wrote Cleveland offense, Well, I got Baker Mayfield

799
00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:32,959
Speaker 1: and we're gonna throw the ball around. No, we're gonna

800
00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:36,040
Speaker 1: run the ball with Nick Shell and let our defense,

801
00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:39,440
Speaker 1: uh play winning games for us. So I think the

802
00:44:39,560 --> 00:44:42,800
Speaker 1: mindset has changed. Yeah, I was looking at the playoff

803
00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:45,200
Speaker 1: run you guys made in two thousand five to get there.

804
00:44:45,520 --> 00:44:48,239
Speaker 1: The final five games you won, and you were the

805
00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:51,120
Speaker 1: bell cow over a hundred yards and over twenty or

806
00:44:51,160 --> 00:44:53,120
Speaker 1: more carriers. I think it was twenty three or more carries,

807
00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:55,480
Speaker 1: and you you just you're right, you don't see that

808
00:44:55,560 --> 00:44:59,359
Speaker 1: as much anymore unless your name is Derrick Henry, right,

809
00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:01,840
Speaker 1: And and I just I wonder do you think they're

810
00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:04,640
Speaker 1: they're almost treating running backs with kid gloves Clinton like

811
00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:08,640
Speaker 1: they're being too careful, they don't want to overburden them. Well,

812
00:45:08,680 --> 00:45:11,759
Speaker 1: I think I think everyone looks aid, hey, you know what,

813
00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:15,400
Speaker 1: instead of running the ball on first down and maybe

814
00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:18,839
Speaker 1: picking up four or five or six yards, I could

815
00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:23,120
Speaker 1: throw this quick pass and I have potential to get

816
00:45:23,360 --> 00:45:26,520
Speaker 1: instead of maxing out at six or seven yards, I

817
00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:30,759
Speaker 1: have potential to turn up and get fifteen yards. But

818
00:45:31,080 --> 00:45:34,759
Speaker 1: in reality, if you just hand the hand the ball

819
00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:37,920
Speaker 1: off to the running back, no running back could get

820
00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:41,520
Speaker 1: get going with four carries a quarter. You know, if

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00:45:41,560 --> 00:45:43,640
Speaker 1: you break it down, I got sixteen carries at the

822
00:45:43,719 --> 00:45:45,719
Speaker 1: end of the game, that comes out to be like

823
00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:48,239
Speaker 1: four carriers a quarter. What am I supposed to do

824
00:45:48,280 --> 00:45:50,600
Speaker 1: with four carriers a quarter? I can't get into rhythm.

825
00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:55,640
Speaker 1: But when you're talking about twenty five carries, now I

826
00:45:55,640 --> 00:45:58,160
Speaker 1: can get into the rhythm. I can set some things up.

827
00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:00,719
Speaker 1: I could see what the defense is doing to try

828
00:46:00,719 --> 00:46:03,560
Speaker 1: and stop me, and I could come up with the plan,

829
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:07,120
Speaker 1: a reactive plan the next time I see this defense.

830
00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:10,000
Speaker 1: But now you have so many guys running on the

831
00:46:10,080 --> 00:46:12,879
Speaker 1: off the field, you have so many specialists. Oh this

832
00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:15,720
Speaker 1: is my first down guy, I'm gonna put Adrian Peterson

833
00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:18,120
Speaker 1: in for the Detroit lines, And on second down, I'm

834
00:46:18,120 --> 00:46:20,719
Speaker 1: gonna put karry On Johnson in, and on third down,

835
00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:23,440
Speaker 1: I'm gonna put Swift in. That those guys don't get

836
00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:26,400
Speaker 1: an opportunity to look and see the field as they

837
00:46:26,440 --> 00:46:29,680
Speaker 1: should because all three of them got talented. So if

838
00:46:29,719 --> 00:46:32,200
Speaker 1: you just get back to the one guy that's the

839
00:46:32,239 --> 00:46:35,200
Speaker 1: bell cow and when I get tired, Hey, I tell

840
00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:37,920
Speaker 1: my my backup to come in and he can do everything,

841
00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:40,640
Speaker 1: then I think that gives you a better brand of

842
00:46:40,680 --> 00:46:44,960
Speaker 1: football because you've taken the physicality away from football. All right,

843
00:46:45,040 --> 00:46:47,759
Speaker 1: let me ask your final question, Clinton, Um, who do

844
00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:50,640
Speaker 1: you think is the most complete back in the NFL

845
00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:54,520
Speaker 1: right now? I mean, like, blocking, rushing, receiving, total package

846
00:46:54,600 --> 00:47:01,960
Speaker 1: right now? Who you got that's an end? Uh? Dalvin

847
00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:04,520
Speaker 1: Cook and and any really any running back in the

848
00:47:04,560 --> 00:47:07,480
Speaker 1: Syracist system. Because that's what they asked. Oh and I

849
00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:09,600
Speaker 1: would I would give Christian McCaffrey I think he has

850
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Speaker 1: a different role because he can line up in the slot.

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Speaker 1: come out of the backfield. So when you're talking about

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Speaker 1: pure back, I would I would take Dalvin Cook. Okay,

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Speaker 1: there it is from one of the great Clinton Ports.

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Speaker 1: All Right, dude, hey man, I will see you on

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Speaker 1: Talk to Line this week. Clinton Port is everybody Clinton. Yeah, Hey, listen,

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Speaker 1: I want to promote how much I hate F Shoe

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Speaker 1: you Dalvin Cook was the best back in the NFL.

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Speaker 1: good I really think FSCs falling on hard times it's going.

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Speaker 1: I don't care, it's personal. I don't I don't care. Well,

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Speaker 1: we fell on hard times. They didn't take it easy

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