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Speaker 1: now your hosts, Mickey's Fagnola, Brian broad Us, Taylor Stern
Speaker 1: and Rob Phillips, Welcome inside the SWBC Mortgage Studio from
Speaker 1: the Star in Frisco, and welcome to Talking Cowboys, the
Speaker 1: final show of week fifteen. Rob Phillips hosting for Tay
Speaker 1: Stern Today, Kick Garrison producing next door Inside the Garrison
Speaker 1: and uh joining me. Are all our December babies? How
Speaker 1: about that? Yeah? Look at all you guys. Hey, happy
Speaker 1: birthday to everybody in here. You're older, You're wiser. We
Speaker 1: hope are we? Are we missing anybody? Just the three
Speaker 1: of us Ambar was the eighth and Derek's still coming
Speaker 1: up later on. But three and one week it's been
Speaker 1: a fit about that. Best week inside the Star for Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're just getting older. Yeah, true, hope that, Dave, We're
Speaker 1: all wiser. Hey, just because I'm younger than you doesn't
Speaker 1: mean I'm not getting older. You're not catching up? O.
Speaker 1: Well I got that going for there you go. Dave
Speaker 1: Hellman joining us. Thanks for pulling double due today. We
Speaker 1: appreciate that problem. Well, actually didn't suck yesterday on your
Speaker 1: own show. I made Brian do it yesterday, so it's
Speaker 1: the least I can do. Yeah, good job of hosting yesterday.
Speaker 1: Thanks Bud. Appreciate this teamwork. I love it. Brian brought
Speaker 1: us Y Spagnola as well. You guys just ran in
Speaker 1: here from practice. What he did? What he got? It's
Speaker 1: Friday Friday. Gotta get down on Friday. Wow, whoa that
Speaker 1: can't mark that? Please? I would like that as a drop.
Speaker 1: And here we are art the Apollo. Yes, party and party. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're familiar with all the lyrics, gets it, gets everybody
Speaker 1: going during the stretch, gets me hype. Rebecca Black does.
Speaker 1: But yeah, in the middle of dancing, did you, uh
Speaker 1: we notice anything else? Yeah? I think the two things
Speaker 1: I noticed were that Orlando Scandrick and Bryce Butler took
Speaker 1: part in the stretch all right and whatever they did
Speaker 1: before the stretch and then ran off with the trainers.
Speaker 1: So looks like they're not practicing again today. Brian's got
Speaker 1: the fist up. I'd be out. Yeah, oh like an umpire. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you gotta be part of the show. You on the Friday.
Speaker 1: We get the when I give that sign that means
Speaker 1: ain't playing seel he hev hope sometimes he does it
Speaker 1: on Tuesday, you know, yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean well,
Speaker 1: And you know what's funny is like on our on
Speaker 1: the show you did with me yesterday, I said, I
Speaker 1: thought Irving my practice clearly not. That's three days in
Speaker 1: a row. Yeah, giving him the old Yeah, he's I
Speaker 1: tried to do that for you yesterday. You just didn't.
Speaker 1: You wanted to argue with me. I thought he was safe. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I thought he's not. He's I don't think they're no.
Speaker 1: I know they're not gonna play. I don't care now.
Speaker 1: Jerry and Jason both this morning kind of hinted it.
Speaker 1: Maybe I'm not. We're not ruling them out yet thoughball
Speaker 1: teams like to do that. I don't really get why,
Speaker 1: Like I don't like, what's the big deal, you know,
Speaker 1: if it's like if it's an odd like if it's like,
Speaker 1: oh well he could get there, he was limited. Okay,
Speaker 1: I get it, but like they're not practicing. Scandricks still
Speaker 1: got broken bones in his back and Irving has not
Speaker 1: yet come back from a concussion. Like it's okay to
Speaker 1: just say they're out neither have practiced at all in
Speaker 1: the last two weeks. Is that correct? I believe you're right.
Speaker 1: So you agree with Brian on the AHIVO. I believe
Speaker 1: we got three inactives right there and three more seats
Speaker 1: on the charter. M good point is that where your
Speaker 1: travel suit. Mickey makes sure I got that's right, got
Speaker 1: that memo to day to tie. Yeah, but is that right? Yeah? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Did you look at the itinerary? I haven't yet. Oh.
Speaker 1: I was probably doing his job. But you know, to me,
Speaker 1: the one they've they've seemed to have managed without the
Speaker 1: Scandric one, right, seem to have managed with that that
Speaker 1: you know, the plan is to continue to play the
Speaker 1: young kids, and I would keep an eye on Anthony
Speaker 1: Brown as a fallback play if something if need be ye,
Speaker 1: I mean a fallback player if something happens in the slot.
Speaker 1: You know, of course he can play on the outside.
Speaker 1: But if things don't work out really well for Xavier Woods.
Speaker 1: Now we've seen him a couple of weeks now play
Speaker 1: as that primary slot player. But I think they're kind
Speaker 1: of getting Mickey asked for them to get his confidence
Speaker 1: back a little bit with anthy Brown. I think we're
Speaker 1: starting to see that a little bit more. Just talking
Speaker 1: some folks about the way he's been practicing. That's good. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Where did he need to improve the most? Just discipline
Speaker 1: avoiding these penalties. I mean it's technique wise. I thought
Speaker 1: he was terrible technique wise. Yeah, and then you know
Speaker 1: he wasn't looking for the football. He was way too grabby,
Speaker 1: you know. Positioning was that we've seen him play so
Speaker 1: much better, you know, and even out of the slot
Speaker 1: last year. I mean that's kind of where we're like,
Speaker 1: my gosh, out this kid. He's covering out of the slot.
Speaker 1: That's the hardest thing you can do. Receivers take you
Speaker 1: all over the field. He's not getting you know, he's
Speaker 1: denying the football. He's making plays. A lot of holds
Speaker 1: would suggest he's out of position a lot. Yeah. Now
Speaker 1: he's peeking ins peaking too much, doesn't He doesn't have
Speaker 1: a really good feel for the where the receiver is
Speaker 1: in the route and that and that's why Mickey's talking
Speaker 1: about he peaks and he's just got to be more assertive,
Speaker 1: more aggressive. Yeah, I think he got you know, you
Speaker 1: get beat a couple of times that comfortable backing off
Speaker 1: and yeah, yeah, he's gotta he's gotta do it. But
Speaker 1: he'll be in there. They'll they'll they'll probably get into
Speaker 1: some dime package. I believe. Yeah, he's absolutely right. You'll
Speaker 1: see him. David, how do you feel about these youngsters
Speaker 1: in the secondary? You've talked to him a few times
Speaker 1: in the locker room lately. I feel really just overall
Speaker 1: really good. Like you know that whole cliche about iron
Speaker 1: sharpening iron, like one way or the other. We're gonna
Speaker 1: have a really good idea about these guys by the
Speaker 1: end of the month, don't you think. And we're already
Speaker 1: we're already formulating that. I'm thinking specifically on the rookies.
Speaker 1: Not I mean Anthony Brown. I mean he's a second
Speaker 1: year player. I'm not saying he's like this savvy vet.
Speaker 1: But we're seeing Cheeto at outside, we're seeing Jordan Lewis.
Speaker 1: You know, I feel like he's he's had his ups
Speaker 1: and downs, but he's far more up right now than down.
Speaker 1: I thought he played great against the Giants. Yeah, Xavier Woods,
Speaker 1: maybe maybe he's not a slot corner, Like maybe maybe
Speaker 1: we're learning that, or maybe we're seeing that, or at
Speaker 1: least maybe he needs a little bit more work. On it.
Speaker 1: But with three more games to go, all of or
Speaker 1: at least the next two of which against very you know,
Speaker 1: good quarterbacks. I just I like I said, I like
Speaker 1: the thought that we're going to know where we stand
Speaker 1: with these guys, like you did this youth movement to
Speaker 1: set yourself up for the future. Right, don't you feel
Speaker 1: pretty good about the future of your secondary just where
Speaker 1: it sits right now? And I'm not right now you do.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that it doesn't need any work. You know,
Speaker 1: we talked yesterday. I think safety is a big need
Speaker 1: for this team in the draft or however you want
Speaker 1: to do it. I think that's a big need. But
Speaker 1: you just look around at the rookies. Anthony Brown's getting
Speaker 1: another year, Cavon Frazier has shown some things like you've
Speaker 1: got five or six guys that you feel really good
Speaker 1: about who are young and inexpensive. So that's something that's
Speaker 1: trending up for me. Can ask a question, Yeah, Mickey,
Speaker 1: you feel good about what they did with the making
Speaker 1: the decision. Does that decision look right now where the
Speaker 1: team currently sits. A decision on letting go of those
Speaker 1: veteran safe the veteran safeties the veteran corners. Does it
Speaker 1: look like a decision that was the right decision now?
Speaker 1: And I know there's three games left, we'll see, but
Speaker 1: you are putting your eggs in your basket that these
Speaker 1: kids can play well enough down the stretch that you
Speaker 1: can get into the playoffs. But does it look like
Speaker 1: the right decision now? Well? Right now? You probably would
Speaker 1: like a more experience. But I kind of like what
Speaker 1: these guys are doing. This was the plan all along,
Speaker 1: was it right? Which you just wish it would have
Speaker 1: come to fruition earlier. Yeah, like they wouldn't have chanced
Speaker 1: to practice in training camp, right, And be like, with
Speaker 1: that in mind, maybe you don't feel good about it
Speaker 1: in the sense of making the playoffs, because I mean,
Speaker 1: even if they went out, it's a steep climb. But
Speaker 1: I feel and I guess that's really my point is
Speaker 1: I feel good about the big picture. I feel really
Speaker 1: good about the big picture. I think between Cheetoh and Jordan,
Speaker 1: I mean, those are two starting caliber guys and then
Speaker 1: like a, you know, Xavier or whatever the future holds
Speaker 1: for him, Cavon, and you're talking about at the very
Speaker 1: least role players or maybe starters. So I mean, you've
Speaker 1: got a good foundation for the future of your secondary.
Speaker 1: Maybe you add to it in the draft going forward.
Speaker 1: So it thumbs up across the board on this, then
Speaker 1: big pictures up. Yeah, I'm okay, but absolutely that's why
Speaker 1: I want to ask. I mean, I'm always interested in
Speaker 1: what everybody because you know I I I applauded the move.
Speaker 1: I thought, I thought I liked it, even going back
Speaker 1: into training camp. Maybe thebe go to OTAs once the
Speaker 1: draft was I'm okay with moving on from Car. I
Speaker 1: was okay moving on from Mo Claiborne. You know, I
Speaker 1: I love your Car for lining up every day and
Speaker 1: practicing and playing and being okay. I love you for that.
Speaker 1: I seriously do. And I know and I know you.
Speaker 1: You know. You know every time that he had an interception,
Speaker 1: you were tweeting about it, and that's okay. You know, hey, good,
Speaker 1: good good. He has he has ball skills. He didn't
Speaker 1: showing any time he was here. You know, I agree
Speaker 1: with you. I mean, okay, it's like such a backhanded compliment,
Speaker 1: but it's fair. It's totally fair. It's just there's a
Speaker 1: reason why they moved on and they let Wilcox go.
Speaker 1: He was a rotational guy. Church, right, the Church the
Speaker 1: only one that I that I had pause about. Wilcox
Speaker 1: didn't do anything different in Cavon Free. That's that's my point.
Speaker 1: He's he's filled into that rotation. That's that's a fair
Speaker 1: stage hurt, especially the only one that they haven't stayed immediately,
Speaker 1: but which I think you also have to, as you said,
Speaker 1: look at the big picture right going forward. This is
Speaker 1: not a one year deal, absolutely, and that's well. I
Speaker 1: think the counter argument to that is these moves they
Speaker 1: made hindered their chances of being a playoff team this year.
Speaker 1: I think that's fair to say, and I think that
Speaker 1: was the criticism at the time. It's like, well, you
Speaker 1: just went thirteen and three, like strike while the iron
Speaker 1: is hot. But they decided to go big picture, which honestly,
Speaker 1: I think is the smarter move because now you set
Speaker 1: yourself up and I think, I mean, I think that
Speaker 1: was a talking point. I doubt many of us expected
Speaker 1: them to be in this position, but I don't think
Speaker 1: anybody thought the record would be as good this year's last. Right,
Speaker 1: That's is that pretty thirteen wins not thirteen wins. But
Speaker 1: you know, having said that, though, who who was playing
Speaker 1: out on at the corner. And you know when they
Speaker 1: lost two games, when they gave up, when they scored
Speaker 1: thirty points. It wasn't all these young pups. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: again yeah right, yeah, all right, well I got I
Speaker 1: guess the point that I'm trying to make is that
Speaker 1: that's right, that's two games. No, absolutely, no, for sure,
Speaker 1: that should be nine and four right now? Could be?
Speaker 1: Could be? Should be? Could you scored thirty points? You
Speaker 1: got to go in so the defense Rodgers, the Rams
Speaker 1: are avating thirty some points a game. I don't there's
Speaker 1: no should in this league? Yes there, should you score
Speaker 1: that many points? You ought to win? What was what
Speaker 1: was the disaster for the Chargers? Where was that disaster? Well?
Speaker 1: Offensively too. You couldn't get anything going, No, you couldn't
Speaker 1: get anything going. But what was the configuration of the secondary?
Speaker 1: They had no idea what they were doing playing zone? Yeah,
Speaker 1: but no, I who was on the field for the
Speaker 1: five hundred yard Charger game? Yeah, I'm trying to remember.
Speaker 1: I mean was that it was? It was? It was
Speaker 1: the Washington game. Is when the switch was made? It
Speaker 1: wasn't cheetoh yeah, cheetah, Yeah exactly. He came back for Washington.
Speaker 1: That's I'm saying. The Washington game is when they all
Speaker 1: when they made the dramatic switch of Okay, you're playing Nickels, Scandrick,
Speaker 1: You're on the outside Scandrick Byron Heath, m Jordan and Brown.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah that that that that five hundred yards
Speaker 1: goes to Mickey's point, We've had enough. We got to
Speaker 1: do something different. We cannot allow this to happen. And
Speaker 1: just to wrap up the point I was trying to make,
Speaker 1: which is that you take a step back in twenty
Speaker 1: seventeen to hopefully take a step forward. But you know
Speaker 1: what was the point? I don't even idea. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: don't even know. Did you get a step back. I
Speaker 1: don't even know if it's take a step turn record
Speaker 1: car and Clayborn. I just mean overall into I mean,
Speaker 1: would you they would have made a difference. I mean,
Speaker 1: that group helped the defense to a point where they
Speaker 1: got the thirteen wins last year. I don't even view
Speaker 1: it as a step back their thought process back in
Speaker 1: April when they drafted these guys, because you had known
Speaker 1: Carroll that didn't work out, So you did you did
Speaker 1: sign a veteran stop gap and you weren't expecting a
Speaker 1: Woozier to miss every most. I don't know if you're
Speaker 1: expecting him to play corner. Yeah, No, we talked a lot,
Speaker 1: were they. Yeah, I don't know because what what part? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I know the safety thing came up. But when he
Speaker 1: was healthy in training camp, but he was playing corner. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but he was on the field, Mickey in Green Bay
Speaker 1: playing safety. They just trying to find a spot at
Speaker 1: that point. Yeah, yeah, I thought it. I thought in
Speaker 1: camp he was gonna be immediate competition for Carroll and
Speaker 1: I thought it didn't happened because of the hand'll win it.
Speaker 1: I thought he was gonna be the dime guy. I
Speaker 1: tell you what, man, they were talking about him being
Speaker 1: They were to mind Jordan Lewis being the guy over him.
Speaker 1: He was hurt too something. Yeah, camp a lot, a lot.
Speaker 1: Camp like you didn't play at all. But to Dave's point,
Speaker 1: you know, with young guys, you expect to give up
Speaker 1: some bigger plays, but you hope by this point in
Speaker 1: the season they're not rookies anymore and they're playing well,
Speaker 1: so and well whatever, even at this point in the season,
Speaker 1: by the end of the season, whether they finished ten
Speaker 1: and six or six or seven and nine, whatever the
Speaker 1: final record is like that. I mean, this is three
Speaker 1: invaluable games of experience for all of those guys. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: and if they lose this one, those guys play everything
Speaker 1: the last oh yeah two games. Sure, So back to
Speaker 1: the injury report. Yes, you got to challenge this week
Speaker 1: in the secondary, you're facing Derek Carr for the Raiders,
Speaker 1: though it looks like Amari Cooper reportedly might be out. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it looks like he's done. Yeah, left ankle. Uma hadn't missed,
Speaker 1: and he had missed a game previous to that or
Speaker 1: two games before that with concussion. Yeah, it looks like
Speaker 1: he's out. So Brian hadn't practice this. Yeah the fist
Speaker 1: there you go. Yeah, I'm saying out on that one. Now.
Speaker 1: Now it comes down to, okay, how are you going
Speaker 1: to play this stuff? How do you size up there
Speaker 1: receiving core their offense without him? You know what it's
Speaker 1: Michael Crabtree has been very inconsistent throughout. Patterson is as
Speaker 1: a screen reverse kind of guy. They they really don't.
Speaker 1: I mean it's one of those things where you look at, Okay,
Speaker 1: who is the main weapon on the outside to me,
Speaker 1: it's like it's just like playing the Giants. It's the
Speaker 1: tight end. You look at you look at Okay, what
Speaker 1: can cook? Do you know? How can how does How
Speaker 1: does Jared Cook? How does he fit in this? You know,
Speaker 1: last week against the Giants, you dealt with Evan Ingram
Speaker 1: down the field. You know, you're you're talking about if
Speaker 1: the Cowboys are gonna catch a break having to cover receivers.
Speaker 1: They caught another one in this game. Oh, in my opinion,
Speaker 1: unbelievable to not have to face Cooper and you know,
Speaker 1: let's let's be honest. Though this group has had its
Speaker 1: share of problems. It's problems Seth Roberts. I mean, I
Speaker 1: mean they just they they've behind these guys they've got
Speaker 1: they're just guys. They're just guys. And that's where you know,
Speaker 1: there's no there's no dynamic third player or guy they
Speaker 1: Oh man, you've got you say it about Patterson, but
Speaker 1: again he's just day screen. Yeah, he is a gadget
Speaker 1: players what Mickey likes to describe as a toy. You know,
Speaker 1: that's what he is. Like we are paid to cover
Speaker 1: the NFL, like we I mean, we are we have
Speaker 1: our finger on the pulse. Right. I I could say
Speaker 1: I could list off the receivers in the league, and
Speaker 1: even like going down to four and five, I bet
Speaker 1: you'd at least like know the names, you know, like
Speaker 1: you've like you've heard of the Giants guys passed Beckham
Speaker 1: and Marshall, like you know their games. I've never heard
Speaker 1: of any of these guys after crap. I mean, if
Speaker 1: you're not counting Cooper, so Crabtreaser one and then Patterson, Okay, cool,
Speaker 1: never heard of the right Yeah, I don't know, like
Speaker 1: they're no, I don't know. I got an expert on
Speaker 1: Seth Roberts. I got nothing. Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I mean, there's nothing there, That's what I'm saying. You
Speaker 1: watch these guys playing, it's like, okay, well, but when
Speaker 1: the main guys are dropping footballs, that's when it's tough
Speaker 1: in a problem, be a problem for them. We've all
Speaker 1: heard of Jared Cooke though, yeah, yeah him or one catch, yeah,
Speaker 1: pretty big one. He's had good. I know he's good.
Speaker 1: I was gonna say he's had about forty nine of
Speaker 1: them this year. So that's the guy to watch. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think, all right, before we wrap it up, this segment.
Speaker 1: What's what else is cooking on the injury report McK
Speaker 1: for them. Mario Edwards Junior has not practiced all week.
Speaker 1: He's got an ankle. Yeah, they're starting technically, they're starting
Speaker 1: defensive end, right, so it looks like he's probably out.
Speaker 1: And and that's really a from I think starter standpoint,
Speaker 1: that's probably about it. Bruce Irvin, you know, got a
Speaker 1: day off, he was back full. Who by the way,
Speaker 1: I noticed the last three games he's got five sacks.
Speaker 1: He's got seven and a half for the season, five
Speaker 1: of them in the last three games. Yeah. As a
Speaker 1: matter of fact, their pass rush has been better since
Speaker 1: they fired Ken Norton Junior and brought in or moved
Speaker 1: up John Pagano to the defensive coordinator. Right, So they've
Speaker 1: done a better job of pressuring the quarterbacks. Either these
Speaker 1: confusing quarterbacks with coverage or they're turning them loose a
Speaker 1: little bit more. Yeah. I have a feeling though that
Speaker 1: they've they've got into a situation. These guys are very talented.
Speaker 1: We know what these defensive ends are or these rushers.
Speaker 1: We get it. We understand that teams that they've played, though,
Speaker 1: Bruce Irving is a guy that there's so much attention
Speaker 1: paid to Mac that Bruce Irving gets a lot of
Speaker 1: one on one stuff and he's capable of winning one
Speaker 1: on one battles. You know, you've got to be just
Speaker 1: as careful with him. But their secondary if they don't
Speaker 1: get pressure or they don't get close, they they they're
Speaker 1: secondary stinks, you know. And that's that's been a big
Speaker 1: problem for them all year, is the fact that when
Speaker 1: they don't get pressure, they get exposed back there. You know.
Speaker 1: So if you're the Cowboys and it turns into you
Speaker 1: can we always talk about balance running the football, being
Speaker 1: able to do that stay ahead of the change. I
Speaker 1: feel like that if you get in a game where
Speaker 1: you block their I said it last week against the Giants,
Speaker 1: you block this front, you can make some plays in
Speaker 1: the passing game. There's no question about that. So the
Speaker 1: way they're playing, and it sounded like they were starting
Speaker 1: to pressure more because of the weakness on the back
Speaker 1: end they've had to do. You think that the cowboys
Speaker 1: big plays from last week won't discourage them from continuing
Speaker 1: to do that or will they just say this is
Speaker 1: why we got to play. I think that they have
Speaker 1: no choice. I think they I think it's one of
Speaker 1: those Bill parcelsisms. You are what you are and you
Speaker 1: better figure that, you know. They've I think they figured
Speaker 1: out that they don't have help in the seconcause if
Speaker 1: you just play them straight up, they've probably can see
Speaker 1: that des can win. And on the outside, there's a
Speaker 1: side of me that believes that Dallas has a plan
Speaker 1: in this game. The twelve and the twelve and thirteen
Speaker 1: personnel package. I'm gonna write about that today. Did I
Speaker 1: feel like that they're gonna say if we could, if
Speaker 1: we have to, if we have to use twelve or
Speaker 1: thirteen personnel, which we've seen him do. This is nothing new.
Speaker 1: Since the Atlanta game, we've seen them run more of
Speaker 1: those packages. They feel like if they can block Mac
Speaker 1: and Tyron Smith can take Bruce Irving out of this game,
Speaker 1: that they can throw the football with success. And that's
Speaker 1: big players or not. If we can block your front,
Speaker 1: we still have that ability. Whether we've made those players
Speaker 1: or not. I still feel like that that the Raiders
Speaker 1: best hope is to try and pin their ears back
Speaker 1: and rush and affect the Cowboys. That way remains to
Speaker 1: be seen. Let's take our first break when we come
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Speaker 1: s WBC Mortgage studio. Welcome to all our guests walking
Speaker 1: by outside. Absolutely last show. You got a wave? Uh,
Speaker 1: got a wave? Good? Be nice for once, Yeah, be nice, sir.
Speaker 1: Just guys mind yourself. Yea, all right? All right? Did
Speaker 1: you guys see to Marcus Lawrence apologize to the officials yesterday?
Speaker 1: I saw him walk up during Marinelli's interview, and I
Speaker 1: guess that's where he did it, in front of everybody.
Speaker 1: He did. He spoke in the locker room too, but
Speaker 1: he pointed out that a wise old man, a wise
Speaker 1: man told him that it ain't holding unless they call it.
Speaker 1: And it was probably the guy standing right next to him. Smart. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Jason Garrett too told him to think, told him to
Speaker 1: kind of concede just in case a fine comes here
Speaker 1: in the next few days. Oh he's already got the fine.
Speaker 1: If that's the case, Well, he said, damage is done.
Speaker 1: He said he didn't have it, Yes he had it,
Speaker 1: but it'll come today. I was gonna say, he's probably
Speaker 1: getting that FedEx. He gets through today. Mary Christmas, he's
Speaker 1: home free. Yeah right, yeah, Marry Christmas. You know, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, hey, it's it's it's understandable too. Seriously, you
Speaker 1: sit down and watch, we all watch the games. We
Speaker 1: all see what's going on. I asked Jason Garrett that
Speaker 1: my theory has always been he was different from me.
Speaker 1: My theory has always been, these officials let you play
Speaker 1: when he gets closer to the playoffs. He didn't agree
Speaker 1: with you. Now he did not didn't agree. That's okay
Speaker 1: my EXPERI so well, they've let him play on and
Speaker 1: do it just as long as he has. They've let
Speaker 1: him play for the last ten games. Yeah, well on
Speaker 1: one side of the ball. Yeah yeah, right right, Yeah.
Speaker 1: You did some math on that this week. Pretty out
Speaker 1: of whack. Huh you know it is, and that somebody
Speaker 1: asked me about that earlier in the week, like, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's out of whack. The Cowboys have drawn eight holding
Speaker 1: calls on opposing offense. Is none from week five to eleven.
Speaker 1: I think, like seven in a row where they're nothing. Um,
Speaker 1: it's it's below average. I mean, so the league average
Speaker 1: is sixteen. But then so you think about half the
Speaker 1: teams in the league or below that. That's the point
Speaker 1: of an average. So I think there's there's four other
Speaker 1: teams that have eleven. There's a few that have twelve
Speaker 1: and thirteen, Like it's it's not good, but it's it's
Speaker 1: not ridiculous enough for me to think that it's like
Speaker 1: some type of conspiracy. That's I guess that's where it's
Speaker 1: just bad breaks and bad officiating really like, yeah, missed
Speaker 1: calls and and it's happened to enough cruise and then
Speaker 1: the other thing. I don't know, Brian, you tell me
Speaker 1: if I'm crazy or not. I think it's it's reputation
Speaker 1: a little bit. I mean this DeMarcus Lawrence is enjoying
Speaker 1: his best year of his career as a pass rusher.
Speaker 1: Cowboys don't have a lot in the way of like
Speaker 1: name power, Like if von Miller gets tackled or hooked,
Speaker 1: like he's gonna get that flag because he's von Miller.
Speaker 1: He's one of the most recognizable faces in the NFL,
Speaker 1: certainly the most recognizable pass rusher. I think a lot
Speaker 1: of that has to do and I think it works
Speaker 1: against the Cowboys on offense as well. You kind of
Speaker 1: take an NBA approach there a little bit. Yeah, Like
Speaker 1: you get calls when you're established. I mean Lebron James
Speaker 1: gets that call because he's Lebron James, you might not
Speaker 1: get that call if you're some slappy coming off the bench.
Speaker 1: M and in the same vein. You know, Tyrant Smith
Speaker 1: is the best left tackle in football. If there's something
Speaker 1: minutely wrong with his technique, they'll probably notice that because
Speaker 1: they're looking, you know, like that jumps out at you
Speaker 1: when you're watching Tyrn. So I think that, why doesn't
Speaker 1: it work the other way? Then what he mean doesn't
Speaker 1: get a break on his reputation, well, because I mean,
Speaker 1: that's that's offensive line work, nutshell. Really, I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: I think it was Garrett that said that earlier, or
Speaker 1: maybe it was Jason Witten. Is like, the difference between
Speaker 1: a flag and a good play is like, right, that much,
Speaker 1: very very subjective, and I mean I think it's I
Speaker 1: think I think it unfair. It's it bends more in
Speaker 1: favor of the defensive line more often than not, which
Speaker 1: is which is funny because the defensive line hasn't been
Speaker 1: benefitting from these calls for the last two months. They've
Speaker 1: got thirty two sacks. I'm not sure where that ranks.
Speaker 1: They're thirteen. Yeah, they're okay. So normally, if you're like
Speaker 1: in the late twenties, then that would suggest to me
Speaker 1: that you're not getting much pressure because only time guys
Speaker 1: hold is when they're getting beat, right, and so if
Speaker 1: they're getting beat they're they're grabbing on obviously with thirty
Speaker 1: two sacks, so they're a little bit better than average.
Speaker 1: They're getting pressure, they're not getting any calls. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: air on the side of incompetence. That's officials, Yes, I yeah.
Speaker 1: I think of it more as just bad breaks and
Speaker 1: bad refereeing. Like I don't. I don't think the league
Speaker 1: is choosing that method to stick it to the Cowboys,
Speaker 1: Let's put it that way. I just think you got
Speaker 1: to start calling tackling from behind. When you get grabbed
Speaker 1: around your waist from behind, it's a hold. It's pretty
Speaker 1: simple call, just like the one they missed on David
Speaker 1: Irving in the playoff game on the last play, should
Speaker 1: have been holding. Call it. Cask a question about the
Speaker 1: positioning of the umpire, do it. Well, he can't see
Speaker 1: you over there, That's what I'm saying though, But I
Speaker 1: mean that's but you know, the positioning for so many years,
Speaker 1: we've always been accustomed to the where the official stands
Speaker 1: for calls for holding. You know, is the league better
Speaker 1: with the with the umpire being next to the official,
Speaker 1: or is he better behind the offensive line? Well, I
Speaker 1: mean he was from a safety standpoint, he's better where
Speaker 1: he's at now. But the question now, I question of incompetence. Yes,
Speaker 1: you know the fact that you have two guys that
Speaker 1: are watching people get to the quarterback and can't make calls,
Speaker 1: is the game really better? I think you neuter that
Speaker 1: guy from where he's at. What he can't he can't
Speaker 1: see as well as he can where he used to be. Yeah,
Speaker 1: directly behind the line. I mean that. I'm just wondering
Speaker 1: because again, is there more holding calls less holding calls?
Speaker 1: Or I mean it's obvious that if they have a
Speaker 1: guy in position to where he is and he's not
Speaker 1: making calls, and there clearly looks like they're holding calls,
Speaker 1: what good is it to have him right there? Yeah,
Speaker 1: you talk about safety and all that, there's jobs to
Speaker 1: make calls. They don't make those calls, and the and
Speaker 1: the and the head referees concentrating on the well for
Speaker 1: the cowboys. I see what you're doing. Your eyebrows are
Speaker 1: going up thinking you're thinking like, no, no, those calls
Speaker 1: are made there, they've made five hundred this year, there
Speaker 1: have been five hundred and ten holding calls on well,
Speaker 1: that number's probably gone up. I assume there was at
Speaker 1: least one holding. I wonder how many of those calls
Speaker 1: have been made by that umpire being right there. But
Speaker 1: don't you think he would I would imagine that puts
Speaker 1: him in a better position to see that type of
Speaker 1: that's the problem. That's the problem, I mean, and he
Speaker 1: should be able by his line of sight. He the
Speaker 1: first thing he should see is is DeMarcus Lords rushing
Speaker 1: off hit that let off that side, that right side,
Speaker 1: perfect view of it. You would think, Yeah, I can understand.
Speaker 1: And if the official going the other way is picking
Speaker 1: up the Tyrann Smith ones, you know, no, why why?
Speaker 1: I mean, why is he not getting calls? I don't
Speaker 1: don't you talk about respect that that's to me, that's legitimate.
Speaker 1: I wonder about that. That's because I don't have a
Speaker 1: good answer for you. And that's when you know, you
Speaker 1: formulate ideas to try to help explain it. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm sure that von Miller complains about calls too. I'm
Speaker 1: sure everybody everybody does. I'm sure just didn't say it
Speaker 1: in the press conference. After the game and use a
Speaker 1: few words. Well, shouldn't probably use he said, I'm sorry refs,
Speaker 1: so hey, maybe he won't get a FedEx checks too,
Speaker 1: like it's too like, yeah, it should be there. The
Speaker 1: animals are wandering around him in the farm right now.
Speaker 1: All right? Anyway, that was a nice little update from DeMarcus.
Speaker 1: By the way, injury update. We were going on injuries
Speaker 1: last segment, Dan Bailey said, no injury issues. Shocking. Yeah,
Speaker 1: with his missile, I saw something funny in practice. He's
Speaker 1: he's kicking field goals now. He's off to the side
Speaker 1: right and he was kicking down field off the little
Speaker 1: holding teeth thing that they use, and he's getting ready
Speaker 1: to kick and Greg Gather, the assistant trainer, is about
Speaker 1: ten yards down and he walks right in front of him,
Speaker 1: ten yards right and he kicks. And I'm sitting here going, well,
Speaker 1: that takes a lot of nerve. What if he doesn't
Speaker 1: like kick it the way he's supposed to perfect kick
Speaker 1: right over his head right right. It reminded me of
Speaker 1: the first time I went to a professional Oh heck yes,
Speaker 1: And there was a whole I think it was at
Speaker 1: the Atlanta Country Club. It was a US Open and
Speaker 1: they were the t box was up high, yeah, and
Speaker 1: everybody was walking under underneath it, right, And I'm going
Speaker 1: I'm not sitting down. I don't trust them, you know,
Speaker 1: Oh I trust Let me. Let me tell you what
Speaker 1: they did, because they all hit it right over. No
Speaker 1: one shanks one. How about it, Bailey would a shake woe?
Speaker 1: How about the one where they're in the at the
Speaker 1: Masters and the pine straw on the right, and they
Speaker 1: just give them just a tunnel to hit out of,
Speaker 1: Like there's people literally fifth maybe spends paces to the left.
Speaker 1: It's a human tunnel. Yeah, it's a human tunnel to
Speaker 1: get the ball out of the pine straw. And you're
Speaker 1: standing there as a guy's taking a full swing. Makes
Speaker 1: me a little queasy. I've done that here at the
Speaker 1: golf tournaments here, and it goes through my mind, like
Speaker 1: what if I'm always and I've got no I've got
Speaker 1: no shot to protect myself. Yeah, you're gonna get hit
Speaker 1: in the head with the balls, but they just hit them.
Speaker 1: I'm so glad I cover football and not golf. Golf
Speaker 1: so boring. It's not just FYI, but just just think
Speaker 1: where they get to go to cover those events. Where
Speaker 1: you get to welcome to the black Hole day. Okay,
Speaker 1: I said it. On the other side, I'm excited I
Speaker 1: get to sit in a press box where you're even
Speaker 1: your short little knees are gonna be near your throat.
Speaker 1: I'm taking it. I'm taking a photo with the Gorilla
Speaker 1: Man and the sling Crossbones. You got to do that,
Speaker 1: getting a photo of the last time you're gonna go
Speaker 1: to that place. Yeah, hey, West Coast, the weather would
Speaker 1: be nice. Not that I want to get into weathertop, no,
Speaker 1: but but you know, it's not a bad trip, like
Speaker 1: sixty seven kickoff, temperatures like forty five. Really yet tall
Speaker 1: you this this is a night game. This is notorious.
Speaker 1: Keep an eye on this. This field is notorious, like
Speaker 1: Green Bass Field when they play night games because of
Speaker 1: the air, the wet airic gets really slick. Well at
Speaker 1: least it's not a baseball field anymore. No, but if
Speaker 1: you played him in week two, you know, like if
Speaker 1: you'd played it, you know, instead of playing the Broncos,
Speaker 1: if you'd play you'd have played on that dirt, which
Speaker 1: is devastating. But keep an eye on this serious. This
Speaker 1: is this is mark my words, the wet air, the
Speaker 1: cold wet air at that place at night makes that
Speaker 1: feel very slippery. Keep an eye on that good good eye, Brian.
Speaker 1: That it happens to stuff. Feel free to tweet at
Speaker 1: me when it happens brings some extra long spikes. That's
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Speaker 1: on the line, got our old friend the wise Padawan
Speaker 1: Rain for Worth Ray. You've never been introduced so well
Speaker 1: in your life, I know, right Hey, happy blady to you,
Speaker 1: Mickey and Brian, thank you and break My breakday is Sunday,
Speaker 1: so I'm hoping for a win. There you go. All right,
Speaker 1: we'll see what we can do for you. A couple
Speaker 1: of things. The jury is still out for me on
Speaker 1: this secondary is way too early. They've had some ups
Speaker 1: and some downs. We'll see what happens when they go
Speaker 1: to Nick year. Because yearly Rickie should take a step
Speaker 1: from year one a year two. I wasn't on board
Speaker 1: getting rid of the church, but we are. We are
Speaker 1: where we are right now. If we if we lose
Speaker 1: this game, you say a youth movement, I'm all for
Speaker 1: getting Switzer in the game as a receiver and not
Speaker 1: just give him my own fake jet sweeps. Sure, I
Speaker 1: think I think the guy can play. My biggest fear
Speaker 1: is this guy stays here four years or three more years,
Speaker 1: does nothing but puns and kicks and then go somewhere
Speaker 1: else and plays and becomes a player two. We should
Speaker 1: win this game. Terios, whims where you've been. It's been
Speaker 1: a long drop between the Kansas City game the Oakland
Speaker 1: the Oakland secondary can't stop a nosebleed. We need you
Speaker 1: to step up. Also, Sean Lee is gonna be huge
Speaker 1: to stop beast Mode in this game because I expect
Speaker 1: him to run him a lot. So thanks a lot,
Speaker 1: guys all. He always brings it. I mean mini rant today.
Speaker 1: By the way, did you listen to Charity today? Yeah? Anything,
Speaker 1: any bulletin's nothing earth shattering. Ok. He didn't rule out
Speaker 1: Irving or Skendrick, not yet. Anyway, he said, I gonna
Speaker 1: wait for them to not show up to the plane tomorrow. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're gonna wait to get that memo, saying, by the way,
Speaker 1: we've downgraded those guys to get the membo at twelve
Speaker 1: forty as everybody's going through the manifest there to see
Speaker 1: who's not on the plane. Yeah, fair enough, that's what
Speaker 1: you've got a lot of media folk say r will
Speaker 1: put it out to prevent other media outlets from letting
Speaker 1: us know. Yeah. Sure, Skendrick getting closer though, moving around more.
Speaker 1: I mean he's out there. I mean he's doing stuff
Speaker 1: with the trainers. Um, it's much better than how he
Speaker 1: walked into the locker room last Wednesday. Yeah, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: be real mean here, you know, youth movement, if Mickey's right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't need to see him anymore. If if in
Speaker 1: fact that they if they lose this football game, play
Speaker 1: play the young kids against Addle, play him against Philadelphia,
Speaker 1: and let's think about what we knew needed to do
Speaker 1: in twenty eighteen. When that's over with and you have
Speaker 1: a good you have a good excuse built in. He's
Speaker 1: got broken bones in his back. Yeah, you know, if
Speaker 1: rush it or if he comes back, he just does
Speaker 1: one job. That's what you always say. He doesn't get both.
Speaker 1: I think that's what they're gonna do. But me personally,
Speaker 1: how far are you taking this youth movement? I mean,
Speaker 1: all right, let's I mean, I'm I'm picking them to win,
Speaker 1: for whatever that's worth. But if they lose, I might
Speaker 1: not play Shaun Lee anymore. What oh oh? Now this
Speaker 1: gets everybody yelled at me a couple weeks ago because
Speaker 1: I said to stuff like that. Everybody just jumped down
Speaker 1: my throat like football players have to play. But I would,
Speaker 1: I would. I would definitely come up with And I know,
Speaker 1: I know it's hard to it's hard to get coaches
Speaker 1: not to play your best players. They want to win games.
Speaker 1: I get that, but you know, I if it means
Speaker 1: if I if I could protect a guy like Sean
Speaker 1: Leeve the last couple of games and he wants to
Speaker 1: play and he hadn't played, my go buy some handcuffs.
Speaker 1: Well I'm gonna we got him out of the game
Speaker 1: in Philadelphia last week last year in Week seventeen, didn't
Speaker 1: take his helmet off, his helmet game, but he did
Speaker 1: not play. I I you know, so I didn't. All right,
Speaker 1: that's a separate conversation. I was thinking mainly of the secondary, Like,
Speaker 1: let's say they lose this game, like Heath and Byron,
Speaker 1: who you're playing Cavan and Woods back there? Like why not?
Speaker 1: I'm just guess I just might be bringing what they losing.
Speaker 1: Everybody else loses. Ah, and you're in the same boat
Speaker 1: you are right now, and you're rolling out what you
Speaker 1: got right now for sure. Yeah, out of you get nothing,
Speaker 1: you lose. You keep playing until they say you're out right,
Speaker 1: you know, And I'm okay with that. But the minute
Speaker 1: that they that they're out, I'm okay. Let's see what
Speaker 1: the white kids got on the practice squad. The corner
Speaker 1: Marquis White, Yeah, bring him up. I thought you were.
Speaker 1: I thought you meant like the white guy. I was like,
Speaker 1: there's a white corner on the practice squad. I don't know,
Speaker 1: so I mean to me, I'm not if I'm trying
Speaker 1: to trying to evaluate a couple of guys. And then also,
Speaker 1: don't think that's funny, Mickey, it was funny. I thought
Speaker 1: the same thing. I'm just saying, sorry, I didn't mean
Speaker 1: to derail you. Calling for the Yell brand this game. Yeah,
Speaker 1: well get We'll say feeling. Yeah check Dallas Cowboys, Dad
Speaker 1: check cut feeling. Because I've I've flipped before sitting down.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you, dude, I since I started doing a
Speaker 1: podcast and writing, because this is my first season doing
Speaker 1: a daily podcast, like, I changed my mind from like
Speaker 1: nine am to two pm all the time. So anyway,
Speaker 1: that just kind of sums up this season. Though. Yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 1: it's just such a roller coaster. Last year, I was
Speaker 1: just like when, when? Duh when? When? Now I'm just like,
Speaker 1: oh no, don't make me choose. Well, you can check
Speaker 1: on that later in the afternoon. We'll have our gut
Speaker 1: feeling predictions. But we got one more segment left in
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Speaker 1: Who we got Philippe and France Ally, Happy birthday, Brian,
Speaker 1: Mickey and David, thank you, thank your again. Okay, the
Speaker 1: year to come. It's funny how you English mother tongue
Speaker 1: people pronounced the name of a long slamper in French.
Speaker 1: It's Jean philipp Yeah. If we try that, we'll screw
Speaker 1: it up. So yeah, it's okay. But do you know
Speaker 1: what's the translation of his name means the sweetness? Did
Speaker 1: not know that the last name Lattissor means the sweetness? Yeah,
Speaker 1: the sweetness. I think Walter Payton already took that nack. Yeah,
Speaker 1: my questions for you, but particularly for brain brother. Mister brother. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and maybe it's a bitterly it's more a draft show question.
Speaker 1: What lesson this year? This regular season's book? I'd like
Speaker 1: to know what are your evaluations compared to last year
Speaker 1: of feature of our five s starters on the offensive
Speaker 1: line I respectively, do you think the Cowboys we will
Speaker 1: spend a high draft round draft pick on a guard
Speaker 1: or tackle next year to insert as a guard as
Speaker 1: a left guard or a swing tackle, and or to
Speaker 1: go separate ways with alignment Green or Cooper. From a
Speaker 1: point of view year in France, Jonathan Cooper is just
Speaker 1: coming along and he's showing flashes of what of what
Speaker 1: he was at the college level and why he was
Speaker 1: the first ten draft choice in two thousand thirteen. To finish,
Speaker 1: I'm the opposite to a friend, David. I mean, I'm
Speaker 1: an optimistic man. Cowboys will tomb in the tournament and
Speaker 1: will be extremely differ We thankful picking Michael have a
Speaker 1: great day and happy day Cowboys. It's not a shot
Speaker 1: because it's true. Like I mean, I'm a miserable back.
Speaker 1: I wonder what he qualifies as a high pick, meaning
Speaker 1: on the offensive line, first three round about how about
Speaker 1: Chaz Green level up one? Could I think that's a necessity. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: that's that's something I'm fascinating. Now let me ask you this.
Speaker 1: I'll think they can go higher than that, though. Do
Speaker 1: they go do they go the tackle or they go
Speaker 1: the guard? That entirely depends on Jonathan Cooper. I would
Speaker 1: take a tackle that can play guard, I think honestly,
Speaker 1: and then he can go play tackle. We've been talking
Speaker 1: a lot about Anthony Hitchins in the last couple of
Speaker 1: weeks because I mean people, I think people are starting
Speaker 1: to realize that he's going to be a tough guy
Speaker 1: to hold onto. Given how he's been playing. Jonathan Cooper
Speaker 1: has been playing great. But am I wrong to feel
Speaker 1: a sense of optimism that they can bring him back
Speaker 1: next year? Jonathan Cooper, you consider every I mean, his
Speaker 1: injury history, the last of success that he's had at
Speaker 1: other places. I think he is a smart guy and
Speaker 1: he probably knows that the talent of this line helps
Speaker 1: him in that regard. This is this is where I
Speaker 1: look at this. I would say, those many teams that
Speaker 1: need offensive lineman, you think there will be a good
Speaker 1: market for him, you better get while the getting's good. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, And I mean, I'm not
Speaker 1: saying it's a break your bank deal, but I'm saying
Speaker 1: it's a deal where he goes and he could be
Speaker 1: a starter here, You're right, but he could also maybe
Speaker 1: go somewhere and be a starter and make more money.
Speaker 1: You think he'd be willing to make less money working
Speaker 1: between Tyrn Smith and Travis Frederick. I don't think so.
Speaker 1: I play I want not in this day and age
Speaker 1: at the end of At the end of the day,
Speaker 1: it depends on the dollar amount. Like if he just
Speaker 1: gets this amazing offer, obviously he's going to take that.
Speaker 1: But I'm so bad at projecting this, But like, what
Speaker 1: do you like dollars per year? What do you think
Speaker 1: he could get like five million a year Ron Learry
Speaker 1: type money. I would be shocked to see that. Well,
Speaker 1: Ron Learry has a worse medical condition than he does.
Speaker 1: But Ron Learry also had a longer, stronger resume. When
Speaker 1: he came up on unrestricted free agency, Ron Larry was
Speaker 1: a undrafted free agent. Yeah, but he had three years
Speaker 1: years starting experience of high caliber starting experience. Cooper has
Speaker 1: less than one three years, ten million there it is done.
Speaker 1: What you're saying three three million a year, it's what
Speaker 1: you're saying. Would you give Cooper that? How much money guaranteed? Okay?
Speaker 1: How about not? I'll play this game with you. I
Speaker 1: would give Cooper three to ten if that's I mean,
Speaker 1: if that got it done? What if that? What if
Speaker 1: that's what exactly? What? What if that's exactly what it
Speaker 1: takes to get Anti Hitchens done? Three ten? That would
Speaker 1: be that would surprise me? Okay, but what would you
Speaker 1: sign him up? Right now? Yeah, I'll take Hitchens and
Speaker 1: I'll find a guard. Yeah, I agree, Okay, that's that's
Speaker 1: my I'm just trying to make it in the bank
Speaker 1: to sign Okay, what if it what if it was
Speaker 1: what if it was more than that? What if it
Speaker 1: was three years, fifteen million dollars? I'm out talking for Hitch,
Speaker 1: for Hitch and for the guard. Still Hitchens? I think
Speaker 1: it's still Hitchings. But I am I crazy. I think
Speaker 1: Hitchens is gonna get more than that. See, we thought
Speaker 1: the same thing about I know, you told me that yesterday,
Speaker 1: and you told me that yesterday. Yeah, we thought the
Speaker 1: same thing generally with you know these guys, sometimes you
Speaker 1: get lucky. I mean, they've got lucky with some guys.
Speaker 1: I think though looking at looking at Jonathan Cooper, he's
Speaker 1: proven the people that he can play. I think that's
Speaker 1: where that is. You know, I would like to bring
Speaker 1: him back if the cost is right, and if you don't,
Speaker 1: then I think Garden should certainly be a top one
Speaker 1: hundred pick for this team. I mean, I don't the
Speaker 1: offensive line is the key to this whole thing. I
Speaker 1: don't think you can just take let that fall to chance.
Speaker 1: That's an interesting discussion because you say, you can say,
Speaker 1: on one hand, you got three pro all pro guys,
Speaker 1: and on the other hand, you say, well, you need
Speaker 1: to make this your strength. He might stocking that thing up. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, can you find a guy in the third
Speaker 1: round that's going to step in and be a one.
Speaker 1: They've tried that and it hasn't always worked. David Arkin
Speaker 1: years ago. Third round? Sure, fourth round? I don't know.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean it's never a guarantee. Cooper, you know,
Speaker 1: can play, and you're gonna need You're gonna need some
Speaker 1: sort of bridge, and I don't think that bridge is
Speaker 1: on the team right now. Would you feel good about
Speaker 1: Joe Looney playing guard. If they felt good about Joe Looney,
Speaker 1: they would have given him more of an opportunity to
Speaker 1: do it. Like he was never really part of that discussion.
Speaker 1: I mean, let's yeah, but they made the mistake at
Speaker 1: trying Chaz Green there. Well, they invested a third round
Speaker 1: pick and Chad he didn't do bad until he got hurt.
Speaker 1: Who chats? Yeah, I remember that's how he lost the job.
Speaker 1: He got hurt. He was the starter. Yeah, no, I
Speaker 1: just what you call that? Brian? And you think you
Speaker 1: had a name for that? Did I? The Aaron Donald Flew? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: something to that, right, Yeah, all right, let's let's let's
Speaker 1: go to the Twitter poll of the day. Oh we
Speaker 1: got one. I didn't forget about it. This kind of
Speaker 1: plays off Brian's final one of his final two stories
Speaker 1: on the website today leading into Cowboys Raiders the biggest
Speaker 1: key to Sunday's game. These are all the basics that
Speaker 1: I've got here, four of them. Run the ball, stop
Speaker 1: the run, protect Dak or pressure Derek Carr. What do
Speaker 1: they have to do the most to win this game?
Speaker 1: Get out of Oakland with the win and stay alive
Speaker 1: in the playoff race. Mickey, protect Dak that's been your
Speaker 1: biggest key to this two game winning streak, right, and
Speaker 1: it was the biggest key to the three game losing
Speaker 1: streak they didn't. Yeah, gave up fourteen sacks in three games,
Speaker 1: gave up one sack in two games. David, I mean
Speaker 1: Brian laid it out for you, right. I mean it's
Speaker 1: it's Mack and Irvin, right, Yeah, that's that's Those are
Speaker 1: the two guys that give me the most amount of
Speaker 1: pause in this whole thing. I mean, they can wreck
Speaker 1: this whole thing. So yeah, protect Dac and I think
Speaker 1: the rest of it will take care of itself. Honestly,
Speaker 1: I agree with you guys. However, the fans don't. The
Speaker 1: eighteen percent said protect Dac. Number one was the seven
Speaker 1: run the ball and thirty five percent pressure Car. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they're all important. See the thing about it is Car
Speaker 1: doesn't generally face pressure. The sack numbers and stuff like
Speaker 1: that are really low from him, So that must mean
Speaker 1: they get the ball out quick. Yeah, Because their offensive
Speaker 1: line hasn't been that good. Yeah, they well, they've they've
Speaker 1: got some Pro Bowl players on that line, but the
Speaker 1: problem that they've had is the receivers have been bad.
Speaker 1: And I agree with David and Mickey on the protection part.
Speaker 1: The thing that scares me the most is their ability
Speaker 1: to say, you know what, you're not good enough stopping
Speaker 1: the run with Sean Lee and with the Anthony Hitchins,
Speaker 1: even though we all know that's a great combination for them,
Speaker 1: I worry about them seeing we've got a big offensive line.
Speaker 1: We're gonna try and mash you. We're gonna play you know,
Speaker 1: had on had football, and let's see if you can
Speaker 1: step up and stop Marshawn Lunch one of these games. Well,
Speaker 1: they haven't shown that they can do that on a
Speaker 1: consistent basis. They run the ball very well on second down.
Speaker 1: That's been a big run for them. They're they're a
Speaker 1: really good passing team on first down. Though they get
Speaker 1: like seven yards a shot, they don't really run the ball.
Speaker 1: I think it's only three point two on first down running.
Speaker 1: It's when they get into second and third down, I
Speaker 1: think it's average about five point five a carry. So
Speaker 1: you got to kind of, you know, I said one
Speaker 1: of my points down the Xerox thing was win on
Speaker 1: early downs because you get him the third down there.
Speaker 1: They're a pretty good third down team. So I'm saying Okay,
Speaker 1: how do you get him off the field. That's gonna
Speaker 1: be problematic. You better find a way to not let
Speaker 1: them mash that ball at you. But you know, Mickey's right,
Speaker 1: they just haven't been I think I think your offense
Speaker 1: is the best chance to win this game from the
Speaker 1: standpoint of make them have to score with you, because
Speaker 1: they've had trouble doing that. They're tied for twenty six
Speaker 1: and rushing offense, so somebody has stopped him. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: that's because I think a lot of times they're behind
Speaker 1: in games. Well, maybe they don't try. Yea, Marshawn still
Speaker 1: looks like the same guy to me. I mean he's
Speaker 1: gotten better too. I think these last month he's look better.
Speaker 1: He has. I mean, yeah, it hasn't been like as
Speaker 1: amazing as they probably thought it would be. We didn't
Speaker 1: go out there and pop him in the chops right away, Okay,
Speaker 1: it is at him. No, he's not the bully. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but he can bully you. Oh no, yeah, I agree,
Speaker 1: you can bully you. But I think we're all in agreement.
Speaker 1: If they don't protect Dak and score points, Yeah, they're
Speaker 1: not gonna win a game twenty to seventeen. You have
Speaker 1: to take. You have to take that ability for them
Speaker 1: to eat. You know, they're gonna again, They're gonna throw
Speaker 1: the fall. Maybe they come back and say, you know what,
Speaker 1: teams that have had success against Dallas have done what
Speaker 1: They've put pressure on Dak Prescott and they've also run
Speaker 1: the ball. Yeah, that's you know, I feel like that
Speaker 1: to me, You're right that the strength of the Raiders
Speaker 1: is their ability to rush the passer. The next best
Speaker 1: thing I think would be car throwing the football. And
Speaker 1: then hey, but that's take But that's taken them out
Speaker 1: of games. But does anybody run the football when Sean
Speaker 1: Lee has been on the field. That's gonna be the trick.
Speaker 1: That's gonna be the trick. We'll go find five losses
Speaker 1: or with Hitchens on the field. Well, Denver ran the
Speaker 1: ball pretty well when they played that was the one. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I don't know if they've played an offensive line that's
Speaker 1: his big big as this offensive line is before they
Speaker 1: played some good offensive line. Philadelphia is a more athletic
Speaker 1: offensive line in a more mobile offensive line. But this
Speaker 1: is a very This offensive line is very similar to
Speaker 1: what the Cowboys had when they were winning Super Bowls
Speaker 1: in the nineties. Before the season, this Raiders offensive line
Speaker 1: was in the discussion with the Cowboys, or maybe right
Speaker 1: after the Cowboys in Tennessee. Yeah, besto lines in the league. Yeah. Well,
Speaker 1: the guy covering this team in Oakland didn't think much
Speaker 1: of the play of the offensive line because at least
Speaker 1: three of the five were listed as disappointments. Yeah, in
Speaker 1: the analysis, I think that that's where you look at
Speaker 1: this though, is there's so much there was so much
Speaker 1: hope put on the Raiders with their offense, with their
Speaker 1: offensive line. It was such an explosive with the receivers.
Speaker 1: They go out and get Lynch, you know, Hey, we're
Speaker 1: gonna run the football. We're gonna be more balanced, you know,
Speaker 1: and not put at all on car which they tend
Speaker 1: to do anyway. And now the offensive coordinators under fire. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but they got rid of Bill Musgrave too, though, didn't they. Yeah.
Speaker 1: When Bill Musgrave in place, they've they've made a couple
Speaker 1: of diff This is real, I think, Yeah, yeah, wild
Speaker 1: the similarities between these two No, you're right. Yeah, the numbers,
Speaker 1: the numbers just expectations, expectations versus reality. Offensive lines, skull players,
Speaker 1: offensive lines, defensive Hey, you know, brilliant head coach got
Speaker 1: stupid in one year. Yeah, and and how both of
Speaker 1: them still are not out of this thing and their
Speaker 1: respective conferences or divisions not yet. At least they're one
Speaker 1: game back. Yeah. Now it's two teams, but one game. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and they play they play one of the teams in
Speaker 1: the season. They play the Chargers, Chargers who you know,
Speaker 1: they've Chargers got a huge game in Kansas City tomorrow night.
Speaker 1: It's going to be a dramatic three weeks stretch here.
Speaker 1: I think, I think, so you win this, you win
Speaker 1: this game. Now you've you've you've you've got, you know
Speaker 1: you got. You set the stage. All bets are off, man,
Speaker 1: Yeah you do, you got. Now you take your chances.
Speaker 1: You get Ezekiel guy bat right over here, right back
Speaker 1: on Monday. Yep. Yeah, And you hope he walks in
Speaker 1: with a purpose, you know, if if it if it
Speaker 1: turns in to again, if they lose this game, I'm
Speaker 1: not play him. This is like the last climb up
Speaker 1: the hill. Yeah, you're so happy to hear you say that.
Speaker 1: If if they're out, I'm sitting all my Pro bowlers.
Speaker 1: I don't care if that's like bad sportsmanship or whatever. No,
Speaker 1: I just you know, let's prepare for eighteen if that's
Speaker 1: the case. You know, And coaches don't want to hear
Speaker 1: that from me. They don't scouts don't want to helve.
Speaker 1: The NBA players don't want to hear it either. About well,
Speaker 1: but it's not tanking, it's just I'm worried about unnecessary
Speaker 1: guys getting unecessarily hurt. It's asset management as well. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't want to go into twenty eighteen like Carson
Speaker 1: Wentz when that's gonna take you know, Yeah, that's gonna be.
Speaker 1: That's questions that when we when we get to June
Speaker 1: and get to July, what are the questions gonna be?
Speaker 1: Win's Carson Wentz? Every day we're gonna get Carson's Wentz
Speaker 1: report on him rehabbing. Right, you don't want to take that.
Speaker 1: I don't want to take that. Well, they're not to
Speaker 1: that point yet and they still need to keep an
Speaker 1: eye on the other teams on this playoff bubble. So
Speaker 1: before we get out of here real quick, the other
Speaker 1: matchups at the Cowboys of interest to the Boys. You're
Speaker 1: two current wildcard teams, Carolina playing at home against Aaron
Speaker 1: Rodgers and green Bay. Let's go. That's must cy TV.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what that might be. You need to
Speaker 1: pack win there. If now I think about it, Carolina
Speaker 1: needs to have two losses, right or they need they
Speaker 1: need you have a better chance of Minnesota going to
Speaker 1: Green Bay and winning in week sixteen. Then if if
Speaker 1: Carolina loses, yeah, Art's losing. Yeah, then that first wild
Speaker 1: card's not cemented, right because right now everybody's saying, oh, Carolina,
Speaker 1: I got one. You're playing for just the last week.
Speaker 1: I am. I am hopeful that Green Bay will lose
Speaker 1: to Minnesota and Detroit to to end the year. Maybe
Speaker 1: you need them to win against Carolina to get them
Speaker 1: out of that fifth seat. I ain't. I ain't betting
Speaker 1: against Aaron Rodgers, especially in the NFCA North. Maybe he's
Speaker 1: not losing to Detroit. He's just not. He doesn't do that.
Speaker 1: Could lose, he could lose to Minnesota, could lose to Minnesota,
Speaker 1: could get hit once and he's done. That's straight too, yep.
Speaker 1: But no'll think about that, Carolina, you maybe you need
Speaker 1: to get them out of this. I just have so
Speaker 1: much respect for Aaron Rodgers, like he's he's a zombie,
Speaker 1: like you gotta put the nail in that coffin. I
Speaker 1: want the Packer loss. Okay, if you get a Carolina win,
Speaker 1: that gives them ten. Yeah, that's that's that's the fifth seed.
Speaker 1: Now you're playing for the sixth. I'm conceding the fifth
Speaker 1: seed to Carolina. Like that's the spot there, Carolina or
Speaker 1: New Orleans? Right? Yeah, New Orleans is playing at home
Speaker 1: against the Jets. I'm conceding whoever, whoever is the runner
Speaker 1: up in the South, I'm conceding that spot to them.
Speaker 1: I'm fighting Atlanta and Green Bay for the sixth seed.
Speaker 1: Teams you've lost to. Yeah, that's why I need them
Speaker 1: losing games. Atlanta's eight and five, so you could technically
Speaker 1: say it's a two game lead on the Cowboys because
Speaker 1: of the head to head they play at Tampa Bay.
Speaker 1: They've currently got the last wildcard spot. Then you go
Speaker 1: down to the teams off the bubble. Right now, Cowboys
Speaker 1: included Seahawks at home against the Rams, Lions at seven
Speaker 1: and six at home against the Bears, and we saw
Speaker 1: Packers against Panthers, and that Bears game is tomorrow afternoon too, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's some Saturday games. Yeah, one we're gonna watch on
Speaker 1: the plane while we're flying. You're not it's nice of you.
Speaker 1: Not nice of you to think we'll have that ability. Yeah,
Speaker 1: well we can always hope. But see, Atlanta's got a
Speaker 1: tough they gotta they've been they are all Division games,
Speaker 1: New Orleans and Carolina. Yep, it's doable. It's not likely,
Speaker 1: but it's doable. It's just likely enough that it's worth
Speaker 1: talking about. Lloyd Christmas Man and see telling me there's
Speaker 1: a chance if you if you beat Seattle, they got
Speaker 1: to play the Rams. Yeah, they could lose two more,
Speaker 1: sure they could. I looked at it on you know
Speaker 1: five thirty eight does those projections. It's at four percent
Speaker 1: right now. But if you pencil in the Cowboys for
Speaker 1: three wins, I know that's a big projection. So what
Speaker 1: does the percentage go out? It jumps to basically like
Speaker 1: forty five fifty percent. Like it's way if they if
Speaker 1: they've went out, it's not that improbable. And seeing what
Speaker 1: I was telling you yesterday about the tiebreakers, that strength
Speaker 1: ofctory if they win out, their strength of bricktery is
Speaker 1: gonna go through the ceiling, right because you would have
Speaker 1: beaten Philadelphia Seattle and watch it come down and the
Speaker 1: raider Philadelphia gets well, yeah, you go on that trip.
Speaker 1: If it comes to that man, you absolutely will. Happy
Speaker 1: New Year, do you guys? First up, you gotta handle
Speaker 1: your business against Oakland on the road Sunday night football.
Speaker 1: You gotta win. We'll save it for Gutfield. The website,
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