1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:03,680 Speaker 1: Hey, everyone, Welcome to the Tutor Dixon Podcast. I'm sure 2 00:00:03,800 --> 00:00:06,680 Speaker 1: you have all seen Gianno Caldwell out there. He is 3 00:00:06,720 --> 00:00:08,319 Speaker 1: an analyst on Fox News. 4 00:00:08,360 --> 00:00:09,040 Speaker 2: But one of the. 5 00:00:08,960 --> 00:00:11,800 Speaker 1: Things that you've probably seen him talking about is his 6 00:00:12,000 --> 00:00:15,440 Speaker 1: brother who was murdered on the streets of Chicago, and 7 00:00:15,520 --> 00:00:19,040 Speaker 1: he became the founder of the Caldwell Institute for Public Safety. 8 00:00:19,040 --> 00:00:22,599 Speaker 1: It's a nonprofit that is dedicated to ensuring a justice 9 00:00:22,640 --> 00:00:26,720 Speaker 1: system that prioritizes the safety and security of all law 10 00:00:26,760 --> 00:00:30,400 Speaker 1: abiding citizens. He has written a book and it is 11 00:00:30,480 --> 00:00:32,920 Speaker 1: an amazing book and I am here to talk to 12 00:00:32,920 --> 00:00:35,560 Speaker 1: you about it today with the man himself. The book 13 00:00:35,640 --> 00:00:38,920 Speaker 1: is called The Day My Brother Was Murdered, My Journey 14 00:00:38,960 --> 00:00:42,880 Speaker 1: through America's Violent Crime Crisis. Giano, thank you so much 15 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:45,160 Speaker 1: for joining me and talking about this. 16 00:00:45,640 --> 00:00:48,880 Speaker 3: Absolutely, thank you. I really enjoy your commentary and your works, 17 00:00:48,880 --> 00:00:49,280 Speaker 3: so thank. 18 00:00:49,200 --> 00:00:50,400 Speaker 2: You for having me. Well. 19 00:00:50,440 --> 00:00:53,440 Speaker 1: I appreciate that I was reading through this and this 20 00:00:53,479 --> 00:00:56,560 Speaker 1: is a book that we have needed for so long, 21 00:00:56,600 --> 00:00:58,560 Speaker 1: and it makes me it breaks my heart that it 22 00:00:58,600 --> 00:01:01,279 Speaker 1: comes out of your pain of losing your eighteen year 23 00:01:01,320 --> 00:01:04,720 Speaker 1: old brother, Christian. It's a story that we have heard 24 00:01:05,400 --> 00:01:08,240 Speaker 1: so so so many times. I mean, we heard it 25 00:01:08,319 --> 00:01:11,559 Speaker 1: in Detroit over the weekend, and it makes me tear 26 00:01:11,640 --> 00:01:14,320 Speaker 1: up to think about this. But a drive by shooting 27 00:01:14,360 --> 00:01:17,200 Speaker 1: in Detroit, a four year old boy shot in the 28 00:01:17,280 --> 00:01:20,840 Speaker 1: back and killed, and his mother is out there with 29 00:01:20,920 --> 00:01:23,520 Speaker 1: her five or six children. I think he was the 30 00:01:23,560 --> 00:01:28,200 Speaker 1: youngest of six, and all of her children watched her 31 00:01:28,600 --> 00:01:33,560 Speaker 1: youngest son murdered out in broad daylight playing at the park. 32 00:01:34,360 --> 00:01:38,440 Speaker 1: Your book covers this so well. I don't know if 33 00:01:38,480 --> 00:01:41,280 Speaker 1: that's the right way to say that. Oh my gosh, 34 00:01:41,319 --> 00:01:44,240 Speaker 1: tell us a little bit about you, how you decided 35 00:01:44,560 --> 00:01:46,880 Speaker 1: you had to follow these people's stories, because it's not 36 00:01:46,920 --> 00:01:49,240 Speaker 1: just your brother's story. And yes, it's a story of 37 00:01:49,240 --> 00:01:49,880 Speaker 1: many people. 38 00:01:50,360 --> 00:01:53,640 Speaker 3: Yes, yes, and again, thank you for having me. I'm 39 00:01:53,720 --> 00:01:55,640 Speaker 3: honored to be here to discuss this with you. On 40 00:01:55,760 --> 00:01:59,400 Speaker 3: June twenty fourth, twenty twenty two, my life changed forever well. 41 00:01:59,440 --> 00:02:02,640 Speaker 3: My innocent, teenage baby brother, Christian, was murdered in Chicago, 42 00:02:03,400 --> 00:02:06,000 Speaker 3: and since then I've been out for justice, not just 43 00:02:06,040 --> 00:02:09,679 Speaker 3: for him, but other families as well who have experienced 44 00:02:09,680 --> 00:02:13,320 Speaker 3: the same tragedy. And that's when I established the Caldwell 45 00:02:13,360 --> 00:02:16,760 Speaker 3: Institute for Public Safety at Calwell Institute dot org. 46 00:02:16,800 --> 00:02:18,200 Speaker 2: Please support our efforts there. 47 00:02:19,600 --> 00:02:22,560 Speaker 3: You know this book itself, the day my brother was murdered, 48 00:02:22,560 --> 00:02:26,160 Speaker 3: my journey through America violence crime, violent crime crisis, as 49 00:02:26,200 --> 00:02:30,800 Speaker 3: I've been attempting to aggrieve my brother's death, which I 50 00:02:30,840 --> 00:02:32,919 Speaker 3: really have, and I've been focused on justice for him, 51 00:02:32,960 --> 00:02:36,160 Speaker 3: which has been the fueling of my efforts. 52 00:02:36,440 --> 00:02:38,320 Speaker 2: I look back at that day. 53 00:02:39,040 --> 00:02:41,880 Speaker 3: Over one hundred and fifty people were murdered that day 54 00:02:41,919 --> 00:02:46,360 Speaker 3: across the nation. People like that day that day, and 55 00:02:46,400 --> 00:02:48,920 Speaker 3: I got to tell you, I wanted to write about 56 00:02:48,960 --> 00:02:51,920 Speaker 3: that day, not just about my brother, but I chose 57 00:02:52,800 --> 00:02:56,680 Speaker 3: eight other families, so total of nine. People like James 58 00:02:56,680 --> 00:03:00,680 Speaker 3: from Philadelphia, who was an Army veteran who had PTSD 59 00:03:00,919 --> 00:03:03,160 Speaker 3: so we oftentimes couldn't sleep, so he would go to 60 00:03:03,160 --> 00:03:05,480 Speaker 3: the park at one or two in the morning. And 61 00:03:05,520 --> 00:03:08,120 Speaker 3: on June twenty fourth, he went to the park and 62 00:03:08,160 --> 00:03:11,320 Speaker 3: there was some teenagers in that park and some kids 63 00:03:11,400 --> 00:03:14,200 Speaker 3: that were younger than teenage, and he said to them, 64 00:03:14,200 --> 00:03:15,919 Speaker 3: what are you all doing out here? You need to 65 00:03:15,960 --> 00:03:18,720 Speaker 3: go home, and they end up beating him to death 66 00:03:18,760 --> 00:03:22,160 Speaker 3: with the traffic home. His name is James or Cat. 67 00:03:22,360 --> 00:03:24,520 Speaker 1: That's that story. I just want to stop for a 68 00:03:24,560 --> 00:03:27,640 Speaker 1: second because the impact of that story on me, and 69 00:03:27,680 --> 00:03:31,480 Speaker 1: I'm sure on many people when they read it, is 70 00:03:31,520 --> 00:03:34,080 Speaker 1: how the community had changed, because you go through so 71 00:03:34,160 --> 00:03:36,800 Speaker 1: many times. He was like a mentor. He was somebody 72 00:03:36,800 --> 00:03:39,800 Speaker 1: that everybody saw as a father figure or an uncle 73 00:03:39,880 --> 00:03:43,560 Speaker 1: figure that in the past, kids on the street, no 74 00:03:43,600 --> 00:03:45,960 Speaker 1: matter what time of night it was, would have known 75 00:03:46,040 --> 00:03:48,880 Speaker 1: who he was and would have loved him and had 76 00:03:48,960 --> 00:03:52,560 Speaker 1: enough respect for the community. And there was no this 77 00:03:52,680 --> 00:03:55,760 Speaker 1: was just a senseless murder. There's this wasn't like a fight. 78 00:03:56,120 --> 00:03:59,760 Speaker 1: He was asking about their welfare, really, and they just 79 00:04:00,440 --> 00:04:02,120 Speaker 1: brutally beat him to death. 80 00:04:03,360 --> 00:04:05,440 Speaker 3: And the truth of the matter is, when I was 81 00:04:05,520 --> 00:04:10,080 Speaker 3: growing up, if any adult said hey, you should be 82 00:04:10,120 --> 00:04:12,320 Speaker 3: going home, everyone would leave the park, almost like it 83 00:04:12,360 --> 00:04:15,600 Speaker 3: was the police and themselves saying go home. But in 84 00:04:15,640 --> 00:04:18,200 Speaker 3: this case, those kids didn't listen, and in this case, 85 00:04:18,720 --> 00:04:21,599 Speaker 3: lives have been devastated in their wake of their actions. 86 00:04:22,200 --> 00:04:25,839 Speaker 3: Or people like Catherine, who was a wife, a mother, 87 00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:29,560 Speaker 3: a grandmother, sixty four years old, who was a chemical 88 00:04:29,640 --> 00:04:34,039 Speaker 3: engineer going home in Texas when a drug deal went bad, 89 00:04:34,760 --> 00:04:36,760 Speaker 3: the guy that was selling the drugs was trying to 90 00:04:36,839 --> 00:04:38,400 Speaker 3: rip off the guy that was buying the drugs, and 91 00:04:38,480 --> 00:04:42,320 Speaker 3: vice versa. A shootout takes place on the highway in 92 00:04:42,360 --> 00:04:45,920 Speaker 3: Texas and she ends up losing her life and her 93 00:04:45,960 --> 00:04:49,599 Speaker 3: family lost the beacon of hope for their own family. 94 00:04:50,240 --> 00:04:54,279 Speaker 3: Or baby Cecilia in Chicago, who was five months old, 95 00:04:54,360 --> 00:04:57,680 Speaker 3: four days from her six month birthday. She's in a 96 00:04:57,760 --> 00:04:59,960 Speaker 3: car with her parents, her mom and dad up front 97 00:05:00,440 --> 00:05:02,479 Speaker 3: and her three year old brother in the back seat 98 00:05:03,040 --> 00:05:05,240 Speaker 3: when they thought they heard fireworks and then the three 99 00:05:05,320 --> 00:05:08,239 Speaker 3: year old brother said that his sister was bleeding. 100 00:05:09,200 --> 00:05:10,960 Speaker 2: She was murdered shot. 101 00:05:11,920 --> 00:05:15,360 Speaker 3: These are the stories that are absolutely tragic and heartbreaking. 102 00:05:15,720 --> 00:05:18,240 Speaker 3: There's many of them, but we already know how bad 103 00:05:18,279 --> 00:05:21,039 Speaker 3: it is. We read the newspapers every day, we see 104 00:05:21,080 --> 00:05:23,760 Speaker 3: it on TV. We know that there's been a crisis 105 00:05:23,760 --> 00:05:26,919 Speaker 3: in many cities, especially the very liberal ones. So I 106 00:05:26,920 --> 00:05:29,400 Speaker 3: wanted to think about how can I bring about solutions 107 00:05:29,440 --> 00:05:31,600 Speaker 3: to this problem. So I talk to people like John 108 00:05:31,680 --> 00:05:35,600 Speaker 3: Walsh from America's Most Wanted, or doctor Drew Pinsk on 109 00:05:35,640 --> 00:05:38,640 Speaker 3: the mental health crisis that has impacted our country and 110 00:05:38,680 --> 00:05:42,680 Speaker 3: its contributions to crime. Or Sean Hannity on the politics 111 00:05:42,680 --> 00:05:45,920 Speaker 3: of it all, or doctor Bill Winston. My pastor from 112 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:49,159 Speaker 3: Chicago has a twenty thousand member church we've talked to 113 00:05:49,320 --> 00:05:53,400 Speaker 3: educators because there's solutions to these issues and we need 114 00:05:53,400 --> 00:05:55,040 Speaker 3: to explore it. We need to speak out, we need 115 00:05:55,080 --> 00:05:57,800 Speaker 3: to be very direct about it. And the reason why 116 00:05:57,920 --> 00:06:00,440 Speaker 3: for a lot of people, which oftentimes when the issues 117 00:06:00,440 --> 00:06:02,400 Speaker 3: would come up, it would say, oh, that's just those 118 00:06:02,680 --> 00:06:05,880 Speaker 3: those folks over their problem, that's not our issue, that's 119 00:06:05,920 --> 00:06:09,360 Speaker 3: their problem. Well, the truth of the matter is me myself. 120 00:06:09,440 --> 00:06:11,279 Speaker 3: I had to learn the very hard way. Any of 121 00:06:11,320 --> 00:06:13,880 Speaker 3: these things can happen to someone in your very own family. 122 00:06:14,240 --> 00:06:17,160 Speaker 3: So it's time for us to unite as a community, 123 00:06:17,200 --> 00:06:21,360 Speaker 3: as a country and say enough is enough, period. 124 00:06:21,440 --> 00:06:24,359 Speaker 1: And uniting it, I think is the key here because 125 00:06:24,520 --> 00:06:29,320 Speaker 1: even what you're doing that is it's plugging one hole, 126 00:06:29,400 --> 00:06:31,240 Speaker 1: but there's so many holes. I mean, if I just 127 00:06:31,240 --> 00:06:34,560 Speaker 1: look at Malik's story, what an interesting story. He goes 128 00:06:34,600 --> 00:06:37,920 Speaker 1: to school that specializes in trauma because look at these kids, 129 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:41,040 Speaker 1: they're dealing with trauma all the time, every day. I mean, 130 00:06:41,080 --> 00:06:43,440 Speaker 1: the little boy who watched his sister get shot in 131 00:06:43,480 --> 00:06:47,600 Speaker 1: the head, now he's dealing with trauma. This is a 132 00:06:47,640 --> 00:06:52,040 Speaker 1: society where kids they experience one trauma after another. And 133 00:06:52,080 --> 00:06:55,080 Speaker 1: Malik is in this high school. It's super successful. They 134 00:06:55,080 --> 00:06:57,640 Speaker 1: have a great graduation rate. These kids are going to college. 135 00:06:57,680 --> 00:06:59,960 Speaker 1: Six days after he graduates, he gets killed. 136 00:07:00,440 --> 00:07:03,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right, that's right, and to that point, and 137 00:07:03,600 --> 00:07:06,480 Speaker 3: that's such a heartbreaking story. To that point, Doctor Drew 138 00:07:06,560 --> 00:07:09,320 Speaker 3: even spoke on within the book you Can Get the 139 00:07:09,400 --> 00:07:10,560 Speaker 3: day my brother was murdered. 140 00:07:10,920 --> 00:07:13,720 Speaker 2: He spoke about how the trauma has real impact. 141 00:07:13,440 --> 00:07:15,800 Speaker 3: On our daily lives and also the decision that some 142 00:07:15,840 --> 00:07:18,600 Speaker 3: of these children will make in the future. A lot 143 00:07:18,640 --> 00:07:22,240 Speaker 3: of folks in these neighborhoods have become numb to the 144 00:07:23,040 --> 00:07:25,360 Speaker 3: murderers of different people because they see it all the time. 145 00:07:25,680 --> 00:07:27,280 Speaker 3: You know, I know, you have a bunch of stories 146 00:07:27,320 --> 00:07:30,000 Speaker 3: you can tell about people you know, and you've had 147 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:33,720 Speaker 3: personal experiences as well. But the thing is there happened 148 00:07:33,800 --> 00:07:37,320 Speaker 3: so much in these left leaning cities where progressives run it, 149 00:07:37,640 --> 00:07:40,000 Speaker 3: liberal democrats run it. And I'm not saying it doesn't 150 00:07:40,000 --> 00:07:42,360 Speaker 3: happen all over the nation, because it does. But there 151 00:07:42,360 --> 00:07:46,520 Speaker 3: are certain areas where soft on client policies flourish, where 152 00:07:46,560 --> 00:07:50,880 Speaker 3: George Forwards funded prosecutors. I call them political prosecutors because 153 00:07:50,920 --> 00:07:54,000 Speaker 3: that's how they act. They don't care about the nature 154 00:07:54,080 --> 00:07:57,320 Speaker 3: of the society and the residents in which they're supposed 155 00:07:57,360 --> 00:07:58,920 Speaker 3: to serve for their protection. 156 00:07:59,240 --> 00:08:01,240 Speaker 2: They care about the politics. 157 00:08:00,680 --> 00:08:03,480 Speaker 3: Of it all, and that's where it's become a major 158 00:08:03,520 --> 00:08:07,200 Speaker 3: issue in American society, and that's where things absolutely need 159 00:08:07,280 --> 00:08:07,920 Speaker 3: to change. 160 00:08:08,520 --> 00:08:10,880 Speaker 1: So that's what as I'm reading through this book, and 161 00:08:10,920 --> 00:08:14,280 Speaker 1: I want people to know that this book, I know 162 00:08:14,360 --> 00:08:17,120 Speaker 1: it sounds like we're telling you a lot of horrible stories, 163 00:08:17,160 --> 00:08:20,440 Speaker 1: but you are actually stepping into a lot of the 164 00:08:20,480 --> 00:08:23,360 Speaker 1: discussions that you see on TV every single day, and 165 00:08:23,440 --> 00:08:27,720 Speaker 1: you're not getting that full, well rounded discussion of one side. 166 00:08:28,160 --> 00:08:30,320 Speaker 1: And a lot of times this is a political argument. 167 00:08:30,360 --> 00:08:33,320 Speaker 1: You've got one side saying no cash bailed, on the 168 00:08:33,360 --> 00:08:35,520 Speaker 1: other side saying we've got to lock up people who 169 00:08:35,520 --> 00:08:40,160 Speaker 1: are bad, and you have in the background this constant 170 00:08:40,559 --> 00:08:45,720 Speaker 1: regurgitation of trauma in these kids' lives, and everybody's stepping 171 00:08:46,080 --> 00:08:48,560 Speaker 1: aside and exactly what you're saying saying, you know what, 172 00:08:48,960 --> 00:08:52,360 Speaker 1: that's not my neighborhood. But I believe if we pass 173 00:08:52,440 --> 00:08:55,880 Speaker 1: this law or this law, then maybe something will happen. 174 00:08:55,920 --> 00:08:58,680 Speaker 1: But there's so much value in what you say in 175 00:08:58,720 --> 00:09:01,679 Speaker 1: this book because you talk about faith, and no matter 176 00:09:01,720 --> 00:09:05,560 Speaker 1: what faith it is, faith in communities, it changes people 177 00:09:05,640 --> 00:09:07,680 Speaker 1: gives them hope, it gives them a reason to live. 178 00:09:08,120 --> 00:09:11,439 Speaker 1: And I will share with you one of the reasons 179 00:09:11,480 --> 00:09:13,640 Speaker 1: that I decided to run for governor in the state 180 00:09:13,640 --> 00:09:17,520 Speaker 1: of Michigan, and that is so when I moved up 181 00:09:17,559 --> 00:09:21,560 Speaker 1: to Michigan, I live in an area where part of 182 00:09:21,679 --> 00:09:25,440 Speaker 1: the county that I live in has a high crime area. 183 00:09:25,800 --> 00:09:28,360 Speaker 1: And so I was called to jury duty one day, 184 00:09:28,480 --> 00:09:32,280 Speaker 1: and the jury duty was for two guys who had 185 00:09:32,440 --> 00:09:35,240 Speaker 1: broken into somebody's house and stole It was a marijuana crime. 186 00:09:35,280 --> 00:09:38,640 Speaker 1: They stole marijuana. They had beaten the guys over the 187 00:09:38,679 --> 00:09:41,920 Speaker 1: head with guns. And the question is was it gons? 188 00:09:42,000 --> 00:09:45,640 Speaker 1: Was it not guns? And I remember these these guys 189 00:09:45,720 --> 00:09:49,520 Speaker 1: were one was twenty eight when the other was twenty seven. 190 00:09:49,640 --> 00:09:53,040 Speaker 1: Each of them had over four kids. They were going 191 00:09:53,120 --> 00:09:55,480 Speaker 1: to go to jail for thirty years. We didn't know 192 00:09:55,520 --> 00:09:57,679 Speaker 1: this at the time as we're trying to decide what 193 00:09:58,840 --> 00:10:02,720 Speaker 1: the issue is here. But when I left, I had 194 00:10:02,760 --> 00:10:04,840 Speaker 1: a police officer walk me out to the car and 195 00:10:04,920 --> 00:10:07,560 Speaker 1: he said, I could tell this really bothered you. And 196 00:10:07,600 --> 00:10:10,400 Speaker 1: I said, yeah, because I want to know that we 197 00:10:11,080 --> 00:10:13,440 Speaker 1: really knew they had weapons. That was the question, you know, 198 00:10:13,480 --> 00:10:16,600 Speaker 1: did they really have them? And so one other girl 199 00:10:16,880 --> 00:10:19,640 Speaker 1: and me we were going through this and saying, you know, 200 00:10:19,880 --> 00:10:22,120 Speaker 1: I want proof. I want to know. It's really hard 201 00:10:22,160 --> 00:10:25,000 Speaker 1: when you're in that jury box with twelve people, you know. 202 00:10:25,600 --> 00:10:28,720 Speaker 1: And he said you should know. And this has also 203 00:10:28,720 --> 00:10:30,839 Speaker 1: stuck with me. You should know. These guys never had 204 00:10:30,840 --> 00:10:33,800 Speaker 1: a chance. The one guy's uncle is a cop killer. 205 00:10:33,840 --> 00:10:36,480 Speaker 1: The other guy's dad is a cop killer. They were 206 00:10:36,520 --> 00:10:39,200 Speaker 1: set up. They were never going to be good guys. 207 00:10:39,240 --> 00:10:41,280 Speaker 1: They were always going to end up in jail. And 208 00:10:41,320 --> 00:10:44,959 Speaker 1: I was like, no, that cannot be the way we 209 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:48,520 Speaker 1: look at this, you know. But it was just accept it, 210 00:10:48,679 --> 00:10:51,240 Speaker 1: and that to me what you say in this book. 211 00:10:51,280 --> 00:10:54,480 Speaker 1: I actually marked the page because I thought it was 212 00:10:56,000 --> 00:11:00,920 Speaker 1: because you say, if all if a thousand white kids 213 00:11:00,960 --> 00:11:04,040 Speaker 1: were killed in Chicago in a single year, would something change? 214 00:11:04,280 --> 00:11:07,880 Speaker 1: And that was exactly what I thought. This guy is 215 00:11:07,920 --> 00:11:10,560 Speaker 1: like these guys never had a chance. Ignore it. But 216 00:11:10,640 --> 00:11:13,560 Speaker 1: if they were white, would he have felt differently? I 217 00:11:13,559 --> 00:11:18,120 Speaker 1: mean it, really, it is like a scar on my soul. 218 00:11:18,240 --> 00:11:21,440 Speaker 1: I think about it all the time. Why do we 219 00:11:21,559 --> 00:11:24,840 Speaker 1: just ignore this? And no matter what it is, every 220 00:11:24,880 --> 00:11:28,440 Speaker 1: politician is ignoring it because the crime is segregated. The 221 00:11:28,520 --> 00:11:30,280 Speaker 1: murders are segregated. 222 00:11:30,679 --> 00:11:32,600 Speaker 2: More often than not. That is very true. 223 00:11:32,760 --> 00:11:34,640 Speaker 3: But I think about in the city of Chicago, in 224 00:11:34,679 --> 00:11:37,400 Speaker 3: which I grew up, and we had one of the 225 00:11:37,400 --> 00:11:40,360 Speaker 3: most thriving downtowns. I think it's honestly, just from the 226 00:11:40,400 --> 00:11:43,680 Speaker 3: look of it is. I've been on every continent but Antarctica. 227 00:11:43,800 --> 00:11:46,760 Speaker 3: This is the best looking downtown I've ever seen in 228 00:11:46,800 --> 00:11:49,840 Speaker 3: the world. And I've been all over the world. But 229 00:11:49,880 --> 00:11:52,479 Speaker 3: the truth of the matter is the city has collapsed. 230 00:11:53,200 --> 00:11:57,480 Speaker 3: And we used to think that if crime came downtown 231 00:11:57,280 --> 00:11:59,680 Speaker 3: that the mayor and everybody else would be up and 232 00:11:59,800 --> 00:12:02,120 Speaker 3: arm and they would say, no, you can't do this here, 233 00:12:02,240 --> 00:12:03,200 Speaker 3: cops everywhere. 234 00:12:03,720 --> 00:12:07,079 Speaker 2: But the truth is people are robbing people in Lincoln Park. 235 00:12:07,200 --> 00:12:11,200 Speaker 3: Now they're doing shootouts across the street from city Hall. 236 00:12:11,480 --> 00:12:13,960 Speaker 3: I had a press conference in front of the Chicago 237 00:12:14,000 --> 00:12:17,200 Speaker 3: Police headquarters about I think maybe a year or two ago, 238 00:12:17,840 --> 00:12:22,280 Speaker 3: and it was for Murdered Victims Day or something like that. 239 00:12:22,440 --> 00:12:24,839 Speaker 3: Congress designated to day. I think it was Murdered Victims 240 00:12:24,920 --> 00:12:27,320 Speaker 3: Day or something like that. So I've brought together a 241 00:12:27,360 --> 00:12:30,240 Speaker 3: group of victims of aolan crime. They had family members 242 00:12:30,240 --> 00:12:32,280 Speaker 3: that were murdered, and we want to speak very directly 243 00:12:32,320 --> 00:12:36,120 Speaker 3: to the Chicago politicians. And I will never forget the 244 00:12:36,240 --> 00:12:39,440 Speaker 3: person who told me, listen, you got to be very 245 00:12:39,480 --> 00:12:42,720 Speaker 3: careful out here. And of course I'm from Chicago, I 246 00:12:42,760 --> 00:12:44,440 Speaker 3: lived on the South Side. I know you have to 247 00:12:44,480 --> 00:12:46,480 Speaker 3: be very careful. But I said, we're in front of 248 00:12:46,480 --> 00:12:49,280 Speaker 3: the Chicago Police headquarters. We'll be fine. They said, no, 249 00:12:49,320 --> 00:12:52,520 Speaker 3: there's been multiple shootouts in front of the Chicago Police headquarters. 250 00:12:52,920 --> 00:12:56,360 Speaker 3: What in front of the Chicago Police headquarters? 251 00:12:56,559 --> 00:12:57,439 Speaker 2: So at what point? 252 00:12:57,960 --> 00:13:00,760 Speaker 3: At what point do people say enough is truly enough? 253 00:13:01,120 --> 00:13:04,080 Speaker 3: And I think that's the conversation that we must have. 254 00:13:04,200 --> 00:13:05,680 Speaker 3: And that was why it was so important for me 255 00:13:05,720 --> 00:13:07,520 Speaker 3: to write The Day my brother was murdered, my journey 256 00:13:07,559 --> 00:13:11,320 Speaker 3: through Americas whilent crime crisis, because I feel like in 257 00:13:11,360 --> 00:13:14,640 Speaker 3: many places around the country, we're at a place where 258 00:13:14,640 --> 00:13:19,880 Speaker 3: it's unsustainable. Life is being snipped away from many families, 259 00:13:19,920 --> 00:13:22,800 Speaker 3: that lives are being devastated. And then the way that 260 00:13:22,960 --> 00:13:26,560 Speaker 3: many folks, very progressive folks are going a direction, are 261 00:13:26,600 --> 00:13:28,760 Speaker 3: going in As an example, well, you can steal up 262 00:13:28,760 --> 00:13:32,560 Speaker 3: to nine hundred and ninety nine dollars worth for items, 263 00:13:33,040 --> 00:13:34,520 Speaker 3: no problem is all good. 264 00:13:34,960 --> 00:13:37,680 Speaker 2: That's a stare to the next crime. And then the 265 00:13:37,720 --> 00:13:38,360 Speaker 2: next crime. 266 00:13:38,720 --> 00:13:41,080 Speaker 1: And what is it that such a good point. I mean, 267 00:13:41,160 --> 00:13:43,760 Speaker 1: something we don't even think about because we always talk 268 00:13:43,800 --> 00:13:46,800 Speaker 1: about that gateway drug, but that gateway crime is the same. 269 00:13:47,000 --> 00:13:50,520 Speaker 1: And if you are saying one crime is okay, then 270 00:13:50,920 --> 00:13:54,679 Speaker 1: you are leading people into a life of crime, and 271 00:13:54,840 --> 00:14:00,680 Speaker 1: ultimately that ends oftentimes in murder or it you know, 272 00:14:00,840 --> 00:14:03,840 Speaker 1: it almost always ends in you serving jail time. But 273 00:14:03,960 --> 00:14:06,400 Speaker 1: what we're finding is that these kids are going into jail, 274 00:14:06,440 --> 00:14:08,800 Speaker 1: they're getting bailed out, and some of them are so young. 275 00:14:09,240 --> 00:14:12,280 Speaker 1: That is the crazy part. Let's take a quick commercial break. 276 00:14:12,320 --> 00:14:18,679 Speaker 1: We'll continue next on the Tutor Dixon Podcast. When I 277 00:14:18,800 --> 00:14:20,360 Speaker 1: was a kid, I was in the I was in 278 00:14:20,440 --> 00:14:23,640 Speaker 1: high school in the nineties, and you understood what this 279 00:14:23,760 --> 00:14:26,160 Speaker 1: meant because you lived on the South side of Chicago 280 00:14:26,200 --> 00:14:28,480 Speaker 1: and you also lived in Naperville, where I lived. So 281 00:14:28,640 --> 00:14:33,200 Speaker 1: I went to high school in Naperville, Illinois, and in my. 282 00:14:33,360 --> 00:14:36,720 Speaker 3: Voted number one place to live in America year after year. 283 00:14:36,800 --> 00:14:38,200 Speaker 2: This is what it gets voted. 284 00:14:38,720 --> 00:14:41,720 Speaker 1: Yes, yes, exactly, So here I am a kid in 285 00:14:41,760 --> 00:14:46,040 Speaker 1: the suburbs. Really I and that was exactly what you're 286 00:14:46,040 --> 00:14:49,240 Speaker 1: talking about. When you went downtown Chicago, you never even 287 00:14:49,360 --> 00:14:52,080 Speaker 1: thought about crime because it wasn't in the city, you know, 288 00:14:52,120 --> 00:14:55,120 Speaker 1: so we would go downtown all the time. And our 289 00:14:55,200 --> 00:14:58,200 Speaker 1: sociology class said, we're going to do a swap where 290 00:14:58,240 --> 00:15:01,000 Speaker 1: you go to Dunbar High School for the day and 291 00:15:01,080 --> 00:15:03,080 Speaker 1: you have a girl that you get paired up with 292 00:15:03,400 --> 00:15:05,480 Speaker 1: and then she's going to come to your high school 293 00:15:05,520 --> 00:15:08,359 Speaker 1: for the day. And it was such a shocking experience. 294 00:15:08,600 --> 00:15:10,920 Speaker 1: We went through metal detectors. And you know, it's funny 295 00:15:10,920 --> 00:15:11,760 Speaker 1: because you. 296 00:15:11,720 --> 00:15:14,240 Speaker 3: Got to mention what Dumbar is on the South side 297 00:15:14,280 --> 00:15:17,400 Speaker 3: of Chicago, and during that time you went there, it 298 00:15:17,440 --> 00:15:20,680 Speaker 3: was an even more high crime area. A lot of 299 00:15:20,680 --> 00:15:22,880 Speaker 3: gangs were fighting during that period of time. Just to 300 00:15:22,880 --> 00:15:24,120 Speaker 3: set the stage for people. 301 00:15:23,960 --> 00:15:28,240 Speaker 1: To understand, right, right, this cannot be more opposite than 302 00:15:28,520 --> 00:15:29,920 Speaker 1: where I'm going to high school. 303 00:15:29,960 --> 00:15:30,280 Speaker 3: It is. 304 00:15:30,800 --> 00:15:33,920 Speaker 1: Yes, it is crime written we're going through. We are 305 00:15:33,960 --> 00:15:36,600 Speaker 1: going through metal detectors because they're trying to keep the 306 00:15:36,680 --> 00:15:39,520 Speaker 1: kids safe. This argument that we have every day about oh, 307 00:15:39,560 --> 00:15:41,440 Speaker 1: do we want metal detectors at the school. This is 308 00:15:41,480 --> 00:15:44,960 Speaker 1: the nineties, and they had metal detectors at their school. 309 00:15:45,000 --> 00:15:47,800 Speaker 1: This is before Columbine, before all of that. They have 310 00:15:47,880 --> 00:15:51,560 Speaker 1: metal detectors at their school to prevent anybody from bringing 311 00:15:51,600 --> 00:15:54,600 Speaker 1: in a weapon because there is so much fighting. But 312 00:15:54,680 --> 00:15:56,960 Speaker 1: I don't even know this because I'm sixteen and I'm 313 00:15:56,960 --> 00:15:59,240 Speaker 1: so naive. And we go in and the whole day 314 00:15:59,360 --> 00:16:02,320 Speaker 1: was different than anything I'd experienced in my life. The 315 00:16:02,360 --> 00:16:05,080 Speaker 1: teacher said, we're going to have an exam. You can't 316 00:16:05,200 --> 00:16:07,720 Speaker 1: talk to each other. Everybody has to stay in their seat. 317 00:16:08,160 --> 00:16:10,760 Speaker 1: As soon as the exam started, everybody pushed their seat 318 00:16:10,760 --> 00:16:13,440 Speaker 1: into a circle just started talking, and the teacher said nothing. 319 00:16:13,560 --> 00:16:17,200 Speaker 1: It was so different than my life experience, and so 320 00:16:17,600 --> 00:16:20,960 Speaker 1: that my mind was blown. And then this little girl, 321 00:16:21,280 --> 00:16:23,360 Speaker 1: she was super smart. You could tell, you know, you 322 00:16:23,520 --> 00:16:27,400 Speaker 1: just have that sense of somebody they're really intelligent. And 323 00:16:27,480 --> 00:16:30,920 Speaker 1: she came to my school and she was shocked. She's like, 324 00:16:30,920 --> 00:16:32,960 Speaker 1: wh aren't you guys going to just ditch for lunch? 325 00:16:33,080 --> 00:16:35,240 Speaker 1: And we're like, no, are you kidding me? You know here, 326 00:16:35,240 --> 00:16:38,280 Speaker 1: I am the little suburban goal. No, we're not leaving 327 00:16:38,320 --> 00:16:41,480 Speaker 1: the school. But at lunchtime we talked and I said 328 00:16:41,520 --> 00:16:43,640 Speaker 1: to her, you know, what are your plans for after 329 00:16:43,720 --> 00:16:46,760 Speaker 1: high school? And it has stuck with me forever what 330 00:16:46,840 --> 00:16:48,640 Speaker 1: her answer was. She looked me straight in the eye 331 00:16:48,640 --> 00:16:51,119 Speaker 1: and she said, I don't expect to live through high school. 332 00:16:51,400 --> 00:16:55,280 Speaker 1: And I could not even comprehend what she said. And 333 00:16:55,360 --> 00:16:57,960 Speaker 1: I remember telling saying to her, why would you say that? 334 00:16:58,000 --> 00:17:00,800 Speaker 1: And she said, from the kids, I want to elementary 335 00:17:00,800 --> 00:17:03,400 Speaker 1: school with my best my group of best girlfriends. I'm 336 00:17:03,400 --> 00:17:05,479 Speaker 1: the only one still alive because every one of them 337 00:17:05,560 --> 00:17:06,480 Speaker 1: has been shot. 338 00:17:06,160 --> 00:17:07,880 Speaker 2: That shocked. 339 00:17:08,800 --> 00:17:11,600 Speaker 1: It's I'm telling you. It has stayed with me my 340 00:17:11,920 --> 00:17:15,359 Speaker 1: entire life, because I believe what you said in this book. 341 00:17:15,600 --> 00:17:18,800 Speaker 1: When I read those words, I was like, yes, but 342 00:17:18,800 --> 00:17:21,320 Speaker 1: but this is why this book is so important and 343 00:17:21,400 --> 00:17:24,159 Speaker 1: why every politician should read it, because you should be 344 00:17:24,280 --> 00:17:28,080 Speaker 1: connected to these people. You should have a personal relationship 345 00:17:28,119 --> 00:17:32,040 Speaker 1: with these families to understand that they have been abandoned. 346 00:17:32,320 --> 00:17:35,159 Speaker 1: And it's easy to say. You also talk about victim 347 00:17:35,200 --> 00:17:37,440 Speaker 1: shaming here, Oh why was she awake at this time? 348 00:17:37,440 --> 00:17:40,119 Speaker 1: And I why was she out? And I think that 349 00:17:40,320 --> 00:17:44,320 Speaker 1: was a brinus story that, Oh why why you know, 350 00:17:44,400 --> 00:17:46,800 Speaker 1: it's easy to say, we wouldn't have happened to me, 351 00:17:46,840 --> 00:17:51,199 Speaker 1: it's their fault. But why are wet? Why do we 352 00:17:51,320 --> 00:17:55,920 Speaker 1: say that community is different than ours, so it happens 353 00:17:55,960 --> 00:17:57,600 Speaker 1: there and we're going to look the other way. There 354 00:17:57,640 --> 00:18:00,639 Speaker 1: cannot be communities in America that we turn our backs on. 355 00:18:01,480 --> 00:18:06,400 Speaker 3: I agree, and that's a good rationale for why you ran, 356 00:18:06,800 --> 00:18:09,760 Speaker 3: because you believe that every community counts. And I think 357 00:18:09,760 --> 00:18:12,280 Speaker 3: that's such a rare belief when it comes to politicians 358 00:18:12,280 --> 00:18:15,400 Speaker 3: these days. The only communities some of them seemingly care 359 00:18:15,400 --> 00:18:18,600 Speaker 3: about is wherever their donors live. And that's an unfortunate 360 00:18:18,640 --> 00:18:22,399 Speaker 3: reality for so many who expect to have a politician 361 00:18:22,440 --> 00:18:25,360 Speaker 3: that cares about the leases the least of these as 362 00:18:25,359 --> 00:18:28,040 Speaker 3: well as the people that are run the big businesses 363 00:18:28,200 --> 00:18:31,600 Speaker 3: and do the community organizing or whatever the case may be. 364 00:18:32,040 --> 00:18:35,040 Speaker 3: And that's why we need to have a conversation, a 365 00:18:35,200 --> 00:18:39,120 Speaker 3: national conversation, because we cannot live in a society where 366 00:18:39,119 --> 00:18:41,840 Speaker 3: you cannot feel comfortable walking down. 367 00:18:41,680 --> 00:18:44,280 Speaker 2: Your very own streets. I live in Miami, Florida. 368 00:18:44,680 --> 00:18:46,800 Speaker 3: In Miami, Florida, as you're reading the book that Dave, 369 00:18:46,800 --> 00:18:50,240 Speaker 3: my brother was murdered, this is the largest big city 370 00:18:50,280 --> 00:18:53,600 Speaker 3: in the largest safest big city in America. And by that, 371 00:18:53,680 --> 00:18:57,000 Speaker 3: I mean it has the lowest homicide racist the nineteen fifties. 372 00:18:57,440 --> 00:19:00,800 Speaker 3: When we go outside in Miami Florida, not looking around 373 00:19:00,880 --> 00:19:03,399 Speaker 3: and see if somebody's gonna be shooting us in the 374 00:19:03,440 --> 00:19:06,200 Speaker 3: next five minutes, or maybe this guy's coming up behind us. 375 00:19:06,400 --> 00:19:08,920 Speaker 3: People feel free to walk about doing their business. And 376 00:19:08,960 --> 00:19:11,920 Speaker 3: I see sometimes girls walking down the street at four 377 00:19:11,960 --> 00:19:12,760 Speaker 3: or five in the morning. 378 00:19:12,800 --> 00:19:13,600 Speaker 2: Either they're coming from. 379 00:19:13,480 --> 00:19:17,080 Speaker 3: A club or they're going to Pilate's, you know, that's 380 00:19:17,119 --> 00:19:19,520 Speaker 3: the distinction, but they feel safe enough to do so. 381 00:19:19,920 --> 00:19:21,680 Speaker 2: In the city of Miami, we need. 382 00:19:21,520 --> 00:19:26,280 Speaker 3: To have policies in place that are one tough on crime, 383 00:19:26,560 --> 00:19:30,800 Speaker 3: not soft on crime, one in which exercises and considers 384 00:19:31,200 --> 00:19:34,800 Speaker 3: the full weight of what an individual could have experience, 385 00:19:34,880 --> 00:19:38,520 Speaker 3: whatever those whatever the context of it is, but still 386 00:19:38,560 --> 00:19:41,480 Speaker 3: in all to your point, like this individual that you 387 00:19:41,520 --> 00:19:44,600 Speaker 3: were considering in the jury pool, Yeah, they might have 388 00:19:44,680 --> 00:19:46,600 Speaker 3: come from a rough upbringer I did too, but I 389 00:19:46,600 --> 00:19:48,000 Speaker 3: did make different decisions. 390 00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:50,880 Speaker 2: We all have to take personal responsibility. 391 00:19:50,359 --> 00:19:53,000 Speaker 3: For the decisions that each of us make as individuals, 392 00:19:53,280 --> 00:19:55,600 Speaker 3: even though we do come from a bad set of circumstances, 393 00:19:55,600 --> 00:19:57,960 Speaker 3: and I understand that can be contributing factors and that 394 00:19:58,000 --> 00:20:00,520 Speaker 3: can be considered by a judge. We do have to 395 00:20:00,520 --> 00:20:03,280 Speaker 3: take personal responsibility, and I think that's one of the 396 00:20:03,280 --> 00:20:04,400 Speaker 3: most important elements. 397 00:20:04,560 --> 00:20:08,640 Speaker 2: And we can have people that enforces the law barely. 398 00:20:09,080 --> 00:20:11,560 Speaker 3: Across the board we can be in a better place 399 00:20:11,560 --> 00:20:13,760 Speaker 3: because some of the solutions in this book is just 400 00:20:13,840 --> 00:20:16,040 Speaker 3: that simple and forced the law. 401 00:20:16,160 --> 00:20:18,959 Speaker 2: You know, do something wrong. 402 00:20:19,400 --> 00:20:22,480 Speaker 1: The reason you talk about faith, you talk about morality. 403 00:20:22,600 --> 00:20:25,760 Speaker 1: James who was the first person you talk about in 404 00:20:25,760 --> 00:20:28,760 Speaker 1: the book. He was a strong Muslim. He brought his 405 00:20:28,960 --> 00:20:32,679 Speaker 1: faith into what he did. He was a mentor to 406 00:20:32,760 --> 00:20:35,960 Speaker 1: a lot of people. And one of the things that 407 00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:38,119 Speaker 1: you say is that a lot of these pastors have 408 00:20:38,240 --> 00:20:40,840 Speaker 1: said they see a change in their community when there 409 00:20:40,960 --> 00:20:45,359 Speaker 1: is hope, when there is faith. But this is there 410 00:20:45,760 --> 00:20:49,399 Speaker 1: have to be houses of worship that are protected, that 411 00:20:49,440 --> 00:20:51,479 Speaker 1: are safe to go to. That has to be okay. 412 00:20:52,040 --> 00:20:54,159 Speaker 1: There are so many factors. I think it seems like 413 00:20:54,240 --> 00:20:56,720 Speaker 1: it's overwhelming at times because you know, if you're here 414 00:20:56,720 --> 00:21:00,000 Speaker 1: in Michigan, it's like, well, how do we expect these 415 00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:02,680 Speaker 1: kids to get jobs when they can't read and their 416 00:21:02,720 --> 00:21:05,879 Speaker 1: parents can't read, and it's generational that they don't have 417 00:21:06,040 --> 00:21:08,639 Speaker 1: enough education to be working because I mean even in 418 00:21:08,680 --> 00:21:11,560 Speaker 1: our shop, if you couldn't read, you couldn't run the 419 00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:14,720 Speaker 1: work instructions for the job. You know, So oh this 420 00:21:14,840 --> 00:21:18,800 Speaker 1: is because of this, But because there are so many 421 00:21:18,880 --> 00:21:21,439 Speaker 1: generations that are in this situation that even if you 422 00:21:21,520 --> 00:21:24,080 Speaker 1: can get in and you can change the schools, you 423 00:21:24,200 --> 00:21:27,240 Speaker 1: still have to be able to get the bad guys 424 00:21:27,359 --> 00:21:30,240 Speaker 1: off the streets. And you've got these progressives coming in 425 00:21:30,280 --> 00:21:33,640 Speaker 1: and saying, oh, these people should be let back out 426 00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:36,200 Speaker 1: because they have to be able to contribute to society. 427 00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:38,840 Speaker 1: But that's never been the way it's been, and it 428 00:21:38,960 --> 00:21:42,399 Speaker 1: stinks because it's almost like an entire generation has to 429 00:21:42,440 --> 00:21:47,159 Speaker 1: be put. It has to be punished for the severe crimes, 430 00:21:47,520 --> 00:21:50,399 Speaker 1: so that the younger generation can see if you murder, 431 00:21:50,800 --> 00:21:55,359 Speaker 1: if you destroy another life, you pay the consequence, and. 432 00:21:55,760 --> 00:21:57,639 Speaker 2: You must pay the consequence. 433 00:21:57,720 --> 00:22:00,280 Speaker 3: And you know, I really appreciate what you mentioned in 434 00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:02,879 Speaker 3: terms of the point about, you know, young people having religion, 435 00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:05,480 Speaker 3: and that was Ian who owns a number of charter 436 00:22:05,560 --> 00:22:08,680 Speaker 3: schools throughout New York City, who talked about that for 437 00:22:08,800 --> 00:22:12,119 Speaker 3: the students in which he's brought through his classrooms, that 438 00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:14,439 Speaker 3: if they had some type of faith, some kind of 439 00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:17,919 Speaker 3: religion that he saw them as is the potential of 440 00:22:17,960 --> 00:22:18,400 Speaker 3: being better. 441 00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:20,840 Speaker 2: They're more likely to do well in life. And I 442 00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:22,359 Speaker 2: think that's critically important. 443 00:22:22,680 --> 00:22:26,280 Speaker 3: And then that's another thing in terms of the punishment 444 00:22:26,320 --> 00:22:29,960 Speaker 3: that you just mentioned for the last since George Floyd. 445 00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:32,360 Speaker 3: Punishment hasn't been much of a conversation for a lot 446 00:22:32,359 --> 00:22:33,000 Speaker 3: of places. 447 00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:35,760 Speaker 2: They said, we're going to lower the penalty of law 448 00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:36,760 Speaker 2: on certain. 449 00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:40,800 Speaker 3: Crimes for criminal justice reform efforts, when it's been nothing 450 00:22:40,840 --> 00:22:43,960 Speaker 3: but justice for the criminal. When you do that, when 451 00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:47,200 Speaker 3: you roll back punishment, who do you think pays the price? 452 00:22:47,920 --> 00:22:51,000 Speaker 3: It's not going to be necessarily Tutor living in Naperville 453 00:22:51,320 --> 00:22:54,720 Speaker 3: because in Aperville they keep it really tight out there. 454 00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:57,520 Speaker 3: The police do their jobs, the mayors are active in 455 00:22:57,560 --> 00:22:58,400 Speaker 3: the community. 456 00:22:58,640 --> 00:23:01,400 Speaker 2: It's really thriving very much. 457 00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:05,520 Speaker 3: That's another great point about the defund the police movement, 458 00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:08,600 Speaker 3: which has been a tragic set of policies that have 459 00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:11,600 Speaker 3: been pushed in places like Los Angeles, New York and 460 00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:15,960 Speaker 3: New York. Obviously, if this socialist gets in as mayor 461 00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:17,840 Speaker 3: of New York, they're going to be in. 462 00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:19,480 Speaker 2: A world of hurt. 463 00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:22,920 Speaker 3: I should say word of world of hurt over him 464 00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:26,200 Speaker 3: wanting to defund the police and also get rid of jails, 465 00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:30,480 Speaker 3: which seems insane, especially in this era. We need strong 466 00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:33,520 Speaker 3: leadership and that takes courage, and we have a lot 467 00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:37,240 Speaker 3: of elected officials who unfortunately do not have courage to 468 00:23:37,320 --> 00:23:40,040 Speaker 3: make the tough decisions. They're thinking about their next re election, 469 00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:43,160 Speaker 3: they're thinking about their donors, they're thinking about special interests. 470 00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:45,639 Speaker 3: The special interest you should be thinking about is that 471 00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:49,720 Speaker 3: resident down the street, that's a six month old baby 472 00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:50,880 Speaker 3: who got murdered. 473 00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:52,160 Speaker 2: That's a special interest. 474 00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:54,240 Speaker 3: You should be thinking about this sixty four year old 475 00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:57,920 Speaker 3: woman who was shot and killed. Those are special interests. 476 00:23:57,920 --> 00:24:00,000 Speaker 3: Those are the only special interests you should be considered. 477 00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:03,600 Speaker 3: But that has not happened in many places. Now we 478 00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:06,240 Speaker 3: need to turn the todde and it comes with strong leadership, 479 00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:09,880 Speaker 3: people like Pam Bondy getting involved in the Attorney General's office, 480 00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:12,919 Speaker 3: who joined the call Well Listitute for Public Safety at 481 00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:15,680 Speaker 3: call Well Listitute dot org on our advisory board when 482 00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:19,040 Speaker 3: we first started, Congressman Burgess Owen who joined us, many 483 00:24:19,119 --> 00:24:23,400 Speaker 3: other folks who believe in law and order principal leadership. Now, 484 00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:25,280 Speaker 3: we can be tough on crime, but we can also, 485 00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:29,880 Speaker 3: you know, think about to the point that I raised. 486 00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:32,400 Speaker 1: Earlier, right, and that is that's what I'm saying about. 487 00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:35,399 Speaker 1: You're plugging one hole. There's so many other holes that 488 00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:37,639 Speaker 1: you have to plug. So even if you were to 489 00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:41,320 Speaker 1: plug the education hole, you still have the punishment hole. 490 00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:43,240 Speaker 1: Even if you plug the punishment hole, you still have 491 00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:46,439 Speaker 1: the trauma hole. There's so much that has there's so 492 00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:49,919 Speaker 1: many organizations that have to come into these communities to 493 00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:52,920 Speaker 1: really say there's going to be a permanent change here. 494 00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:56,359 Speaker 1: Faith is obviously one of them. But I think something 495 00:24:56,359 --> 00:24:59,840 Speaker 1: else that fascinated me. And I think because I had 496 00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:02,440 Speaker 1: really considered it, because I don't live it, and if 497 00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:05,439 Speaker 1: you don't live it, you can't really fix it unless 498 00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:09,760 Speaker 1: you read this book. And I believe that sincerely that 499 00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:12,760 Speaker 1: if you haven't read the stories, and it is so beautiful, 500 00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:15,000 Speaker 1: beautifully written, I want people to know that too, that 501 00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:20,120 Speaker 1: as you read through these stories, that it's so descriptive, 502 00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:23,440 Speaker 1: you're really taken into the moment. And you talk about James, 503 00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:28,960 Speaker 1: the girl that didn't engage, there were multiple little kids. 504 00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:31,760 Speaker 1: I mean we call them teenagers, but just barely. They 505 00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:35,040 Speaker 1: were little kids that attacked this man. They were eleven, twelve, 506 00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:35,960 Speaker 1: fifteen years. 507 00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:38,280 Speaker 2: Old, that's right, young teenage, yeap. 508 00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:42,240 Speaker 1: So these are kids, you know. And the one girl 509 00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:46,639 Speaker 1: didn't engage, she watched and then you say she she 510 00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:49,120 Speaker 1: is taking out the garbage one night, she gets attacked. 511 00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:51,320 Speaker 1: And this is a common thing. I had never heard 512 00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:54,720 Speaker 1: about this before. Anybody who could potentially be a witness, 513 00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:58,479 Speaker 1: suddenly they get killed. She wasn't killed, but she was 514 00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:01,000 Speaker 1: certainly they try to. They shot her in the head. 515 00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:04,359 Speaker 1: They tried to kill her. This is to me, that 516 00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:08,480 Speaker 1: was another bit of information that I'm like, Okay, So, 517 00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:11,440 Speaker 1: how as a community do we step back and say 518 00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:14,040 Speaker 1: now that somebody has been hurt and there's a massive 519 00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:16,360 Speaker 1: group And we see this in Detroit all the time, 520 00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:19,320 Speaker 1: where there's these massive groups that get into these shootouts, 521 00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:22,840 Speaker 1: and sadly in the summertime, like I said, over the weekend, 522 00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:27,200 Speaker 1: this happened, and it's a lot of teenagers and oftentimes 523 00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:29,560 Speaker 1: the people that hit are women and kids. That's the 524 00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:31,639 Speaker 1: crazy part about it. The people that get shot in 525 00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:35,800 Speaker 1: these shootouts seem to always be women and children. But 526 00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:39,639 Speaker 1: what I hadn't considered is that even James's family was 527 00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:44,920 Speaker 1: in danger. They said they were constantly. Yes, she's constantly 528 00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:48,360 Speaker 1: looking over her shoulder. They have people casing their homes 529 00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:51,000 Speaker 1: and warning them if you keep this up, if you 530 00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:54,040 Speaker 1: keep trying to find out who killed him, your next 531 00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:57,320 Speaker 1: and you've said you've never had justice, They've never found 532 00:26:57,440 --> 00:26:58,399 Speaker 1: the killer of your brother. 533 00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:03,560 Speaker 3: No, that's absolutely correct. I haven't had justice, but I'm 534 00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:06,920 Speaker 3: still seeking it. And Tanya, which is james niece, who's 535 00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:10,560 Speaker 3: been fighting for justice for him. I can share this 536 00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:14,600 Speaker 3: because some of those kids didn't get prosecuted because there 537 00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:17,480 Speaker 3: were kids well. I talked to Tanya the other day 538 00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:19,800 Speaker 3: and she says that they're looking to prosecute some of 539 00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:23,639 Speaker 3: those quote unquote kids that didn't get prosecuted before for 540 00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:26,800 Speaker 3: her uncle's murder. So I'm very happy for her that 541 00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:29,399 Speaker 3: she can perhaps get the justice that she needs. 542 00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:32,600 Speaker 2: And in my case, we're still fighting. And the truth 543 00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:33,520 Speaker 2: of the matter is we. 544 00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:36,159 Speaker 3: Had a found out from the detective on the case 545 00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:39,679 Speaker 3: that the FBI got involved because there was an individual 546 00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:43,960 Speaker 3: and the rolls my mall, that was doing something he 547 00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:46,320 Speaker 3: shouldn't have been doing and the police ended up arresting 548 00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:48,439 Speaker 3: him and he had the murder weapon on him that 549 00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:55,040 Speaker 3: murdered my little brother. And this individual, this individual hasn't 550 00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:59,200 Speaker 3: spoken about my brother's murder because he's apparently under investigation 551 00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:02,600 Speaker 3: for something that may give him life now. As I 552 00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:04,440 Speaker 3: mentioned in the book, there was three to four men 553 00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:06,600 Speaker 3: that got out of a black suv on June twenty 554 00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:10,560 Speaker 3: four and they shot multiple people that they including my brother. 555 00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:13,600 Speaker 3: And my brother was not the target, So there's other 556 00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:15,439 Speaker 3: people out there in addition to the guy that the 557 00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:19,359 Speaker 3: Feds actually have, that may have information. So we're still 558 00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:24,040 Speaker 3: seeking out information three years later, and I won't stop fighting. 559 00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:25,560 Speaker 2: That's the thing this has been. 560 00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:28,680 Speaker 3: To my conversation with doctor Drew in the book, I said, 561 00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:31,119 Speaker 3: how do I get beyond the pain of this? And 562 00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:33,240 Speaker 3: he said, I'm sorry to tell you, but you don't. 563 00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:36,280 Speaker 3: The best thing you can do is to do something 564 00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:38,360 Speaker 3: that's going to further your brother's legacy. And that's when 565 00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:41,440 Speaker 3: I established the call On Institute for Public Safety because 566 00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:45,080 Speaker 3: me working on something, me helping other people makes me 567 00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:50,480 Speaker 3: feel empowered and not powerless over my brother's murder. I 568 00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:53,640 Speaker 3: can only do my part. It's a small part. The 569 00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:56,480 Speaker 3: book is part of it. It's a blueprint, I think, 570 00:28:56,800 --> 00:28:59,160 Speaker 3: not just for victim families, but what to do because 571 00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:02,240 Speaker 3: violent crime can impact and any and all of us, 572 00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:05,880 Speaker 3: and unfortunately has impacted my family. And the truth of 573 00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:08,320 Speaker 3: the matter is, you know, I'm I'm a Republican. I'm 574 00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:10,760 Speaker 3: a conservative. I've been a conservative for almost twenty five 575 00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:14,880 Speaker 3: years now. A lot of my colleagues are peers and oppressed. 576 00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:20,719 Speaker 3: They have never met somebody who actually has had to 577 00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:22,480 Speaker 3: deal with this, And this is kind of a new 578 00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:24,800 Speaker 3: light for a lot of people because these are people 579 00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:27,880 Speaker 3: that know me personally and have known me for years 580 00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:30,640 Speaker 3: and have been in the political circles and on the 581 00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:34,040 Speaker 3: trail and been on television with So for them it's 582 00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:35,440 Speaker 3: kind of like, wow. 583 00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:36,120 Speaker 2: This this happened to you. 584 00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:39,000 Speaker 3: It just kind of opens everyone us because it can 585 00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:42,000 Speaker 3: happen to literally any one of us if we don't 586 00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:43,000 Speaker 3: do something about it. 587 00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:46,160 Speaker 1: Now, let's take a quick commercial break. We'll continue next 588 00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:52,440 Speaker 1: on the Tutor Dixon Podcast. And speaking of faith, I 589 00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:57,000 Speaker 1: mean God has blessed you with this ability to talk 590 00:29:57,000 --> 00:30:02,719 Speaker 1: to people with this, these connections on television. And I 591 00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:05,920 Speaker 1: don't think that God causes tragedy, but I think he 592 00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:09,200 Speaker 1: uses people who have gone through tragedy to shine a 593 00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:12,000 Speaker 1: light where a light has not been shown. And this 594 00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:17,000 Speaker 1: is darkness. All of these situations, every story that you 595 00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:20,480 Speaker 1: describe in your book, you are bringing light to a 596 00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:23,840 Speaker 1: darkness in a way only God blessed you to be 597 00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:25,680 Speaker 1: able to do that. And that I think, and you 598 00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:29,000 Speaker 1: know that to know God and to be able to 599 00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:31,479 Speaker 1: share that is half the battle. 600 00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:35,320 Speaker 3: I absolutely love what you just said, and you are 601 00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:38,840 Speaker 3: absolutely so spot on with what you just said, and 602 00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:42,040 Speaker 3: even mentioned in the book how my grandmother was talking 603 00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:46,160 Speaker 3: about my brother's murder as if you know, God caused 604 00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:49,000 Speaker 3: it or somehow, and I absolutely disagree with that, And 605 00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:51,920 Speaker 3: if you have read that part, I push back on it. 606 00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:53,520 Speaker 2: She can have her own feelings on that. 607 00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:57,360 Speaker 3: But God absolutely is using this tragedy for the betterment 608 00:30:57,400 --> 00:31:00,480 Speaker 3: of all. That's so spot on, and a lot of 609 00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:02,440 Speaker 3: people don't get that that A lot of people say, 610 00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:05,400 Speaker 3: you know, as they never experienced it, and they're trying 611 00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:07,840 Speaker 3: to be helpful and they're trying to say something that's 612 00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:11,120 Speaker 3: going to relieve it and say God has took him 613 00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:15,480 Speaker 3: away or God, you know, he's happen when a. 614 00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:17,240 Speaker 2: God needed him in heaven. 615 00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:21,560 Speaker 3: When I believe it was Satanist stole them, it wasn't God. 616 00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:24,520 Speaker 3: But now God has an opportunity to speak through me 617 00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:28,520 Speaker 3: to make his life his legacy, Christian, my baby brother 618 00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:33,720 Speaker 3: means something much greater than what he could have ever imagined, 619 00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:36,800 Speaker 3: in that sense that his life would mean saving other 620 00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:39,880 Speaker 3: people's lives. And if that is what it is, I'm 621 00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:42,840 Speaker 3: honored to be a voice in that fight because we 622 00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:46,400 Speaker 3: need to ensure that everyone can live in safety and security. 623 00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:47,920 Speaker 2: And as an elected. 624 00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:50,840 Speaker 3: Official, that is the number one consideration you should have 625 00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:53,440 Speaker 3: is making sure that people feel safe. 626 00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:55,120 Speaker 2: We need to be out and joining our lives. 627 00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:58,640 Speaker 3: We need to have an America that's thriving, that's prosperous. 628 00:31:58,800 --> 00:31:59,640 Speaker 2: That we can deal with. 629 00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:01,959 Speaker 3: These is choose these very real issues that plague our 630 00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:04,440 Speaker 3: country and have been plaguing our country for years. 631 00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:07,560 Speaker 2: But we do something about it, not just talk about it. 632 00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:13,160 Speaker 1: Actually, yeah, God, God doesn't bring darkness. Sin brings darkness. 633 00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:16,400 Speaker 1: Sin took him away. And God will help you to 634 00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:21,120 Speaker 1: glorify him and glorify his name and bring people to 635 00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:24,560 Speaker 1: Jesus through this. And that is that is the way 636 00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:28,440 Speaker 1: that I think, that is the way so many Christians 637 00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:31,800 Speaker 1: heal is to take their journey and share it with 638 00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:34,440 Speaker 1: the rest of the world. And you have this microphone 639 00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:37,920 Speaker 1: that no one else has. It is it is just 640 00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:41,240 Speaker 1: so amazing, And I do I look at it this way. 641 00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:44,120 Speaker 1: When I look at the bad things that have happened 642 00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:48,520 Speaker 1: through my life, I'm like, Okay, I have been prepared 643 00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:52,320 Speaker 1: for this, and it wasn't that God expected that to happen. 644 00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:54,160 Speaker 1: Like when I got cancer, do I think that God 645 00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:58,040 Speaker 1: gave me that No, but in my journey since he 646 00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:00,520 Speaker 1: has given me so much power to tell to other 647 00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:03,440 Speaker 1: cancer survivors, and he said, Okay, you have a gift, 648 00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:05,960 Speaker 1: you can speak, I will, I will help you through 649 00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:08,600 Speaker 1: this journey. And I think that you have that same gift. 650 00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:11,400 Speaker 1: You're able to talk to people. So I want people 651 00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:13,560 Speaker 1: to go get this book. I want them to share 652 00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:17,320 Speaker 1: in what you've been able to bring to light and 653 00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:20,200 Speaker 1: bring a light to these areas as well. So this 654 00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:22,960 Speaker 1: book it is called The Day My Brother was Murdered, 655 00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:26,239 Speaker 1: My journey through America's violent crime crisis. Where can they 656 00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:30,520 Speaker 1: get it? How do they join in your journey to 657 00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:32,640 Speaker 1: bring light to these communities? 658 00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:34,440 Speaker 2: Well, thank you again for having me. 659 00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:38,479 Speaker 3: You can get it on Amazon, Walmart, Target, wherever your 660 00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:41,880 Speaker 3: books are sold. Please follow us connect with us at 661 00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:44,560 Speaker 3: call Well Institute dot org. As we fight back against 662 00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:48,520 Speaker 3: Jewisovice fund that progressive prosecutors, I call them political prosecutors. 663 00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:53,240 Speaker 3: We're additionally expanding out to miuror races and gubernatorial We 664 00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:55,720 Speaker 3: have a foundation, a call Well Foundation for Public Safety 665 00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:59,200 Speaker 3: at call Well Safety dot org. And certainly follow me 666 00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:03,280 Speaker 3: on social media Instagram, Twitter, Facebook at Giano Caldwell and 667 00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:07,040 Speaker 3: Gia Nno Caldwell c a ldwe Ll. 668 00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:09,640 Speaker 2: Thank you so so much for having me. 669 00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:12,759 Speaker 3: This has been such a refreshing conversation and they hear 670 00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:14,520 Speaker 3: that you've dug into the book. 671 00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:16,360 Speaker 2: And recalling some of these stories. 672 00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:19,680 Speaker 3: I really really appreciate you really taking a sincere interest 673 00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:20,719 Speaker 3: in what I've written. 674 00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:23,799 Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, I mean, I'm telling you it's kind 675 00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:27,160 Speaker 1: of it's people. A lot of times people write books 676 00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:28,759 Speaker 1: and you kind of have to suffer through them to 677 00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:31,600 Speaker 1: be honest, but this is not that. I mean, you 678 00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:35,520 Speaker 1: get in and it's like, wow, these are the stories 679 00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:37,839 Speaker 1: you hear on the news that you don't get the 680 00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:41,040 Speaker 1: backstory too, and that you can quickly move on from 681 00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:45,120 Speaker 1: until you really go, Okay, this is America. Because we 682 00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:47,720 Speaker 1: think of America as the white picket fence too often, 683 00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:50,879 Speaker 1: This is America. This is America too, and we need 684 00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:52,759 Speaker 1: to hear about it, and you are shining a light. 685 00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:55,960 Speaker 1: So thank you Gianno Caldwell, Thank you so much for 686 00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:56,640 Speaker 1: being on today. 687 00:34:56,960 --> 00:34:59,000 Speaker 2: Thank you so much. I really appreciate you having me. 688 00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:01,680 Speaker 1: Thank you, and thank you all for listening to the 689 00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:04,800 Speaker 1: Tutor Dixon Podcast as always for this episode and others 690 00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:09,040 Speaker 1: go to Tutor diisonpodcast dot com, the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, 691 00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:11,560 Speaker 1: or wherever you get your podcasts, and you can always 692 00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:14,359 Speaker 1: watch it on Rumble or YouTube at Tutor Dixon. Thank 693 00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:16,080 Speaker 1: you so much and have a bleas day