WEBVTT - Vivianne and Lance | 5 0:00:01.440 --> 0:00:05.040 Hey listeners Jessica here. Be sure to check out new 0:00:05.080 --> 0:00:09.680 episodes of Undetermined every Tuesday for free wherever you get 0:00:09.680 --> 0:00:13.520 your podcasts. For early and ad free listening, check out 0:00:13.560 --> 0:00:20.720 Tenderfoot Plus on Apple Podcasts. The views and opinions expressed 0:00:20.720 --> 0:00:24.680 in this podcast are solely those of the individuals interviewed 0:00:24.920 --> 0:00:28.280 and participating in the show, and do not represent those 0:00:28.320 --> 0:00:33.360 of Tenderfoot TV and Resonate recordings. All individuals described or 0:00:33.440 --> 0:00:37.160 mentioned in the podcast should be considered innocent until found 0:00:37.200 --> 0:00:41.320 guilty in a court of law. This podcast contains subject 0:00:41.320 --> 0:00:45.239 matter such as violence and graphic descriptions, which may not 0:00:45.320 --> 0:00:49.720 be suitable for all audiences. Listener discretion is advised. 0:00:53.479 --> 0:00:57.720 She told me about it to some degree before they 0:00:57.760 --> 0:01:01.720 came to stay in my home. I never really investigated it. 0:01:02.320 --> 0:01:05.360 I never really asked her more about it. He is 0:01:05.400 --> 0:01:08.480 a very pushy person. Around a person like that, you 0:01:08.560 --> 0:01:11.520 hesitate to wait into any conversation, much less something you're 0:01:11.560 --> 0:01:14.959 not interested in. I think she was under a lot 0:01:14.959 --> 0:01:18.840 of pressure to bring money in and to provide, but 0:01:18.959 --> 0:01:21.600 at the same time not allowed to leave, because I 0:01:21.640 --> 0:01:24.280 think it's part of what held her in place after 0:01:24.319 --> 0:01:26.840 she was ready to leave. Is she had this dirty secret. 0:01:54.920 --> 0:01:58.720 We all have our secrets, right, the things that only 0:01:58.920 --> 0:02:03.040 select few know about, or that we keep tucked away 0:02:03.240 --> 0:02:07.200 for no one to ever see or know. Most of 0:02:07.280 --> 0:02:11.040 us are fortunate enough to be in control of our secrets, 0:02:11.639 --> 0:02:16.040 our narrative. For a long time. That's what Jessica did. 0:02:16.880 --> 0:02:20.959 She had her secrets, and for various reasons, she kept 0:02:21.000 --> 0:02:24.160 them to herself. But near the end of her life 0:02:24.560 --> 0:02:28.120 she started to open up a little, namely with Maria, 0:02:28.600 --> 0:02:32.080 who first heard about Jessica and Justin's not so side 0:02:32.160 --> 0:02:35.639 hustle while they were staying at her home for Thanksgiving 0:02:35.720 --> 0:02:36.760 in twenty eighteen. 0:02:38.240 --> 0:02:40.359 When she first started telling me about it, I just 0:02:40.400 --> 0:02:42.960 thought they were bored. I thought they were a couple 0:02:43.000 --> 0:02:46.760 in their forties. Maybe the spark was gone. They spend 0:02:46.800 --> 0:02:48.840 too much time together, so maybe they were just trying 0:02:48.840 --> 0:02:51.359 to spice things up. I was like, you know, whatever, 0:02:51.600 --> 0:02:54.440 do you if that's entertaining to you. I didn't know 0:02:54.560 --> 0:02:57.960 that it was really for the income the way I 0:02:58.000 --> 0:03:01.919 think it turned out to be, so, even when they 0:03:01.919 --> 0:03:06.440 were in my home, I never knew their stage names. 0:03:06.440 --> 0:03:08.200 I don't know if you call it a stage name online. 0:03:08.160 --> 0:03:11.680 They're online names. I never knew their alter egos, and 0:03:11.760 --> 0:03:14.680 at one point she was sitting on my couch and 0:03:14.720 --> 0:03:17.720 she was like, see, look these people are tipping. And 0:03:17.760 --> 0:03:19.880 she was like looking at some app Apparently it's very 0:03:19.960 --> 0:03:23.680 user friendly, and there were like little coins floating across 0:03:23.680 --> 0:03:27.400 the screen the same way people do likes or hearts 0:03:27.480 --> 0:03:30.799 or whatever when somebody's like doing a live stream on Facebook. 0:03:31.240 --> 0:03:33.640 So these little coins are floating across the screen, and 0:03:33.680 --> 0:03:37.200 she was like, see he's tipping them. I was like, okay, well, 0:03:37.240 --> 0:03:40.080 how much is that little tip worth? She was like, oh, 0:03:40.120 --> 0:03:43.920 that's like five cents. I remember us joking back and forth, 0:03:43.960 --> 0:03:45.560 and I was like, I wonder if I could just 0:03:45.560 --> 0:03:48.000 put my feet on there, like while I'm doing my files, 0:03:48.040 --> 0:03:49.560 if some weirdo wants to look at my feet and 0:03:49.560 --> 0:03:51.320 send me some money, Like I could be okay with that, 0:03:51.520 --> 0:03:53.880 Like that's not too risky and my face would never 0:03:53.880 --> 0:03:55.760 be involved. I was like, I wonder if somebody wants 0:03:55.760 --> 0:03:59.760 to pay me for my feet, But I mean I 0:04:00.080 --> 0:04:02.600 want to be a weirdo about my feet, like knock 0:04:02.640 --> 0:04:06.920 yourself out, here's my vemo. Yeah, but the conversation never 0:04:06.960 --> 0:04:09.440 really got any further than that. This really I'm not 0:04:09.440 --> 0:04:11.200 trying to put my naughty bits on the internet in 0:04:11.240 --> 0:04:16.240 perpetuity for my grandkids to look up like no Nana. 0:04:16.320 --> 0:04:19.800 While Maria was able to keep it all lighthearted, even 0:04:19.920 --> 0:04:24.000 joking about it, Learning that Jessica was performing sex shows 0:04:24.000 --> 0:04:27.640 online for money was a pretty startling peak into her 0:04:27.720 --> 0:04:32.000 life with Justin, and it was certainly a new revelation 0:04:32.520 --> 0:04:38.000 to her family. But Maria thinks it was more about control. 0:04:39.320 --> 0:04:41.680 I think that she would have done anything that he 0:04:41.839 --> 0:04:44.159 wanted her to do because she really just wanted to 0:04:44.160 --> 0:04:47.760 make him happy. I'm not going to completely alleviate her 0:04:47.920 --> 0:04:51.120 of all responsibility, because you know, she was an adult, 0:04:51.839 --> 0:04:55.240 so it's possible that she wanted to experiment with the 0:04:55.279 --> 0:04:57.560 sexual stuff that they were doing online, as possible that 0:04:57.600 --> 0:05:00.479 she wanted to experiment with drugs. But that was not 0:05:00.800 --> 0:05:05.839 at all the Jessica that I knew growing up. The 0:05:05.920 --> 0:05:08.760 Jessica that I knew growing up was the sort of 0:05:08.760 --> 0:05:11.159 girl that was comfortable wearing a strand of pearls and 0:05:11.240 --> 0:05:14.320 an updue because we worked in the casino industry together, 0:05:14.360 --> 0:05:17.400 when people would get into like salacious or scandalous situations, 0:05:17.400 --> 0:05:19.520 she'd be like, we are Southern ladies, like you do 0:05:19.600 --> 0:05:23.880 not do that, So it was a huge departure from 0:05:23.880 --> 0:05:26.679 who I knew her to be. She was a shadow 0:05:26.720 --> 0:05:27.599 of her former self. 0:05:36.520 --> 0:05:39.800 To friends and family, Jessica may have become somewhat of 0:05:39.800 --> 0:05:44.240 a shadow of herself, but she was still Jessica, the 0:05:44.320 --> 0:05:47.520 girl they'd known and loved for most of her life 0:05:48.160 --> 0:05:53.120 well before the camming. But to a whole community online, 0:05:53.240 --> 0:05:57.359 she was known as Vivian and her partner was Lance. 0:05:58.320 --> 0:06:03.800 These were Jessica and Justina's camming names. So what exactly 0:06:04.480 --> 0:06:05.200 is camming? 0:06:07.120 --> 0:06:11.320 Well, it's different for everyone but me and my wife specifically. 0:06:11.520 --> 0:06:15.280 We just go on camera and people will pay us 0:06:15.279 --> 0:06:20.080 for our time. So if we're camming for an hour 0:06:20.560 --> 0:06:25.599 for a specific person, then we request a specific dollar 0:06:25.720 --> 0:06:29.600 amount per minute, and that's how we get paid. People 0:06:29.640 --> 0:06:32.279 are viewing us on the screen. We have a camera 0:06:32.560 --> 0:06:35.000 in front of us that's looked up to the computer 0:06:35.080 --> 0:06:38.200 and it's live, so everything we do is live. 0:06:39.520 --> 0:06:46.880 This is Ken, well that's his camming name, alongside his wife, Barbie. Yeah, 0:06:47.440 --> 0:06:48.640 Ken and Barbie. 0:06:49.800 --> 0:06:53.200 I am Ken and my wife is Barbie. 0:06:53.600 --> 0:06:58.960 And we met Justin and Jessica through the camming community. 0:07:00.200 --> 0:07:03.200 In fact, as far as we know, they are the 0:07:03.240 --> 0:07:06.320 only camers to have ever met up with Vivian and 0:07:06.400 --> 0:07:11.640 Lance inside their home and saw them together as a couple, 0:07:12.560 --> 0:07:17.239 But it's an experience they regretted almost from the start. 0:07:18.240 --> 0:07:21.840 More on that in just a minute. The young couple 0:07:22.040 --> 0:07:25.880 got into camming after he lost his other online fortune. 0:07:27.160 --> 0:07:30.800 I made a pretty hefty fortune on bitcoin when I 0:07:30.880 --> 0:07:34.720 was in high school, and being young and having a 0:07:34.800 --> 0:07:37.200 decent fortune, you don't really know how to spend it. 0:07:37.800 --> 0:07:40.240 So me and my wife we dug ourselves in a 0:07:40.280 --> 0:07:44.360 hole living in Miami. We needed something to keep us 0:07:44.400 --> 0:07:47.920 going and keep us alive and off the streets, so 0:07:48.040 --> 0:07:52.000 we chose to start camming, and it worked out really 0:07:52.040 --> 0:07:55.160 well for us, so we just stuck with it ever since. 0:07:55.800 --> 0:07:58.320 We really enjoyed the job because we get to spend. 0:07:58.200 --> 0:08:00.960 All of our time together, one of us just having 0:08:01.000 --> 0:08:04.000 to leave the house go to work and things like that. 0:08:04.240 --> 0:08:06.040 So it works for us. 0:08:06.640 --> 0:08:09.800 So, you know, immediately a bunch of cam people started 0:08:09.840 --> 0:08:11.560 reaching out to us, like, oh, Wow, you're going to 0:08:11.640 --> 0:08:11.960 do so. 0:08:12.000 --> 0:08:12.440 Good at this. 0:08:12.640 --> 0:08:15.240 You're gonna you're gonna be able to retire by the 0:08:15.280 --> 0:08:17.680 time you're thirty, blah blah blah, And you know, just 0:08:17.800 --> 0:08:20.880 like trying to flatter us, trying to get close to us. 0:08:20.680 --> 0:08:25.040 And we thought that was normal. And it turns. 0:08:24.800 --> 0:08:27.480 Out that for the most part, that a lot of 0:08:27.520 --> 0:08:30.400 them were trying to use us because we were naive 0:08:30.520 --> 0:08:33.120 to the canning community and how it works. 0:08:33.240 --> 0:08:36.199 So people were trying to get us to. 0:08:35.480 --> 0:08:39.240 Help them in different ways, and it just seemed to 0:08:39.360 --> 0:08:42.080 us like everyone's out for themselves and trying to like 0:08:42.760 --> 0:08:44.720 make their into the deal better. 0:08:45.760 --> 0:08:48.040 Me and my wife, we kind of stay in our 0:08:48.080 --> 0:08:50.760 own little bubble. We don't really talk to anyone else. 0:08:52.679 --> 0:08:55.800 Kin says that while there is a darker side to 0:08:55.840 --> 0:08:59.160 the camming community, he and Barbie stay away from that. 0:09:00.000 --> 0:09:02.760 It's kind of how the community works. You only do 0:09:03.040 --> 0:09:04.280 what you feel comfortable with. 0:09:05.880 --> 0:09:12.800 I mean, every single person out there has a different 0:09:12.960 --> 0:09:18.439 experience camming. One experience is not the same as another's. 0:09:18.559 --> 0:09:21.880 Some people have really bad experiences camming, and some people 0:09:22.080 --> 0:09:27.360 have really good experiences camming. There's definitely some bad stigma 0:09:27.880 --> 0:09:33.040 about the sex industry, and you know, for what it's worth, 0:09:33.400 --> 0:09:34.720 I'm sure a lot of it's true. 0:09:35.400 --> 0:09:36.320 I'm not denying that. 0:09:36.400 --> 0:09:39.480 But that's why we stick to camming, because we get 0:09:39.480 --> 0:09:42.720 to create our own rules and boundaries. So if anyone 0:09:43.320 --> 0:09:45.319 steps over those boundaries, we can put an end to 0:09:45.400 --> 0:09:47.520 it by a click of a button. If we feel 0:09:47.559 --> 0:09:50.360 offended or threatened in some way, then all we got 0:09:50.400 --> 0:09:52.720 to do is hit the block button and they disappear. 0:09:53.760 --> 0:09:56.120 We do this together, and only together. 0:09:56.920 --> 0:09:59.600 We don't talk to any other cameras, we don't post 0:09:59.679 --> 0:10:03.240 on so media really. Ever, we just realized that it's 0:10:03.280 --> 0:10:06.480 best to stay in your own little bubble and not 0:10:06.600 --> 0:10:09.199 try to get too far out there and meet too 0:10:09.200 --> 0:10:12.800 many people, because so far, all the people that we've met, 0:10:12.880 --> 0:10:17.040 they've ended in like really crazy experiences. 0:10:17.960 --> 0:10:21.720 One of those crazy experiences for Ken and Barbie was 0:10:21.800 --> 0:10:25.200 meeting Vivian and Lance at their home in New Orleans. 0:10:26.280 --> 0:10:29.520 When we sat down with Ken, he shared his personal 0:10:29.559 --> 0:10:34.560 experience and opinions from that in person meeting, and from 0:10:34.559 --> 0:10:37.200 here on out in this episode, we'll go back to 0:10:37.280 --> 0:10:39.679 referring to them as Jessica and Justin. 0:10:41.559 --> 0:10:43.600 They were trying to get close to us early on 0:10:43.800 --> 0:10:47.160 because they knew that we would be successful at this job, 0:10:47.559 --> 0:10:51.520 and from the very beginning things turned out really well 0:10:51.559 --> 0:10:53.840 for us. We didn't really have to worry about money 0:10:53.920 --> 0:10:57.600 or anything like that, and they just kind of reached 0:10:57.640 --> 0:11:01.480 out to us, and then they started to call more 0:11:01.840 --> 0:11:05.360 and try to reach out to us more. They were 0:11:05.480 --> 0:11:10.360 really really easy to get along with, mostly her Jessica. 0:11:10.480 --> 0:11:12.560 She was really easy to get along with. 0:11:13.280 --> 0:11:16.400 She just kind of reeled us in and gave us 0:11:16.400 --> 0:11:19.000 someone to talk to that was in the industry. 0:11:19.800 --> 0:11:20.960 We were new to it. 0:11:21.000 --> 0:11:23.320 We didn't know anything. So if we had any kind 0:11:23.360 --> 0:11:26.360 of questions, they would help us out with that, and 0:11:26.840 --> 0:11:29.640 we just talked to them. I don't know, I'd say 0:11:30.200 --> 0:11:31.360 maybe once. 0:11:31.240 --> 0:11:33.319 Or twice a month she would call. 0:11:34.160 --> 0:11:38.680 As that went on, they started feeling closer to us 0:11:38.720 --> 0:11:41.840 and whatnot. So I guess they felt comfortable asking us 0:11:41.880 --> 0:11:44.200 for money here and there. They would ask us for 0:11:44.240 --> 0:11:47.720 like one hundred bucks, and we didn't know what their 0:11:47.760 --> 0:11:54.319 situation was. And I'm too nice sometimes if people need help, 0:11:54.880 --> 0:11:58.000 I'm usually willing to help. So whenever they had asked 0:11:58.080 --> 0:12:00.520 me for money, I just did it. I didn't think 0:12:00.520 --> 0:12:03.120 anything of it. I knew that they had a daughter, 0:12:03.760 --> 0:12:05.720 and I knew that they. 0:12:05.559 --> 0:12:09.200 Probably weren't doing that well. I don't remember. 0:12:08.920 --> 0:12:12.000 Them telling us that they had a job, so camming 0:12:12.120 --> 0:12:13.959 was how they were making money, and every single time 0:12:14.000 --> 0:12:18.000 they cam they weren't really doing that well, that kind 0:12:18.000 --> 0:12:20.720 of made us sad. So yeah, we would help every 0:12:20.760 --> 0:12:23.599 now and then. And I don't regret it. 0:12:23.600 --> 0:12:24.320 It's whatever. 0:12:25.280 --> 0:12:29.319 I just wish I would have known them better before 0:12:29.559 --> 0:12:32.880 we really got involved with their lives. 0:12:33.960 --> 0:12:37.360 But their meetup wasn't really something they had planned. It 0:12:37.480 --> 0:12:42.440 was just by happenstance. They'd driven to Pensacola, Florida to 0:12:42.480 --> 0:12:46.439 meet with a friend of Barbie's, but the friend never showed. 0:12:47.440 --> 0:12:48.440 We were like, what the heck? 0:12:48.520 --> 0:12:51.680 We drove all the way down here, so what could 0:12:51.679 --> 0:12:54.560 we do to make it a trip that's not wasted? 0:12:55.320 --> 0:12:58.840 And we remember that Jessica and Justin they. 0:12:58.720 --> 0:13:02.880 Lived in New Orleans and that was just a little 0:13:02.880 --> 0:13:03.280 bit farther. 0:13:03.960 --> 0:13:06.600 So we called them up. 0:13:06.520 --> 0:13:09.839 And we asked them if it'd be cool if we 0:13:10.360 --> 0:13:11.360 came down to hang out. 0:13:12.720 --> 0:13:16.520 Before they even arrived at Jessica and Justin's house, they 0:13:16.559 --> 0:13:18.160 see their first red flag. 0:13:20.000 --> 0:13:22.199 We were basically asking them if it was cool if 0:13:22.240 --> 0:13:26.240 we come by, and that's whenever they started texting us. 0:13:26.360 --> 0:13:30.360 And then they randomly texted us a pipe and I 0:13:30.440 --> 0:13:32.320 didn't know if it was a crack pipe or a 0:13:32.400 --> 0:13:34.760 met pipe. I don't know the difference. If there is 0:13:34.800 --> 0:13:37.439 a difference or what. But they sent me a pipe 0:13:37.600 --> 0:13:40.079 that looked like you smoke drugs out of it. And 0:13:41.040 --> 0:13:44.640 when they did that, we were like, what is this. 0:13:45.679 --> 0:13:48.720 I was like, you're joking. I Like, I asked them 0:13:48.720 --> 0:13:51.520 if they were joking, and they're like they would send 0:13:51.559 --> 0:13:54.480 back like an emoji, a lack emoji or an LOL 0:13:54.600 --> 0:13:56.600 or something and be like, yeah, we're just messing with you. 0:13:57.600 --> 0:13:59.560 We were skeptical, but then they said that they were 0:13:59.559 --> 0:14:02.200 a joke, and we just took it for what it was. 0:14:02.320 --> 0:14:03.640 Like, we thought that they were joking. 0:14:04.600 --> 0:14:06.640 If we were texting someone, we didn't know if it 0:14:06.760 --> 0:14:10.600 was Justin or Justica. We had no idea, and I'm 0:14:10.600 --> 0:14:13.680 pretty sure sometimes she would act like her whenever he 0:14:13.760 --> 0:14:18.000 was texting us, Like sometimes we detext We're like, this 0:14:18.120 --> 0:14:21.760 feels like it's Justin texting us right now. We didn't 0:14:21.760 --> 0:14:25.640 think anything of that until we met them, and then 0:14:25.800 --> 0:14:29.760 we saw how he was. It all happened so gradually, 0:14:29.880 --> 0:14:31.360 it's like they just reeled us in. 0:14:33.520 --> 0:14:35.960 When Ken and Barbie pull into the driveway at their 0:14:36.040 --> 0:14:40.080 Lakeview home, everything seems fine at. 0:14:39.920 --> 0:14:42.800 First, everything's cool. 0:14:42.840 --> 0:14:45.800 At first, he kind of looks like he's cracked out, 0:14:46.800 --> 0:14:49.920 which we thought was weird at first, but then we 0:14:50.000 --> 0:14:52.760 kind of just blew it off because we didn't want 0:14:52.760 --> 0:14:53.360 to be mean. 0:14:53.440 --> 0:14:56.480 Or we just didn't want to make a scene or 0:14:56.520 --> 0:14:57.840 make them feel uncomfortable. 0:14:59.320 --> 0:15:03.040 Justin's di me is something Ken remembers vividly. 0:15:04.960 --> 0:15:07.760 He looked like he was on some kind of drug 0:15:07.880 --> 0:15:10.760 that was like speed, Like it was making him talk 0:15:10.960 --> 0:15:15.560 really fast and like make really weird movements and stuff. 0:15:16.320 --> 0:15:18.840 And we didn't know if that was just his personality 0:15:19.240 --> 0:15:21.080 or if he was on drugs. 0:15:21.120 --> 0:15:26.280 We didn't know. He told us he took Adderall prescribed adderall, 0:15:26.840 --> 0:15:28.680 so we didn't know if it was that either. 0:15:29.080 --> 0:15:33.960 But anyway, we came into this whole situation non judgmental. 0:15:34.080 --> 0:15:36.240 We just like, this is our first time meeting him. 0:15:36.520 --> 0:15:39.480 We just wanted to meet him, and we didn't want 0:15:39.520 --> 0:15:40.600 to make a big deal out of it. 0:15:42.040 --> 0:15:45.400 Ken and Barbie quickly realize they're not the only other 0:15:45.480 --> 0:15:50.840 ones in the house. Soon they'd meet Justin's daughter and 0:15:51.240 --> 0:15:54.440 noticed that his elderly father was there too. Though they 0:15:54.480 --> 0:15:55.480 never spoke. 0:15:56.400 --> 0:15:58.680 He was always in the other room with the lights off. 0:15:59.160 --> 0:16:00.600 You could just see him the doorway. 0:16:01.320 --> 0:16:04.240 That's another reason why it was sketchy, Like he never 0:16:04.400 --> 0:16:08.040 introduced himself to me. He never spoke a word to me. 0:16:09.240 --> 0:16:12.000 Justin said the whole time, I could just ignore him, 0:16:12.440 --> 0:16:14.960 don't talk to him. I just thought it was the 0:16:15.000 --> 0:16:15.640 weirdest thing. 0:16:17.440 --> 0:16:22.640 As the visit continues, their concerns for Jessica begin to fester. 0:16:24.240 --> 0:16:25.840 We were most scared for her. 0:16:26.440 --> 0:16:31.040 It's like, she's stuck here with these crazy people. 0:16:32.000 --> 0:16:35.440 I just don't understand. I don't understand how she's at 0:16:35.440 --> 0:16:35.960 that house. 0:16:37.480 --> 0:16:41.440 Kin's growing impression of Justin kept signaling to him that 0:16:41.640 --> 0:16:44.880 something was just off about this whole thing. 0:16:46.400 --> 0:16:47.720 He tried to sell me a gun. 0:16:48.600 --> 0:16:51.440 He showed me a bunch of pictures on his phone 0:16:51.680 --> 0:16:53.760 and he was like, I can get you one of these. 0:16:53.880 --> 0:16:56.480 You just send me three thousand dollars cash and I'll 0:16:56.480 --> 0:16:59.360 get you one. He's trying to make money. I don't 0:16:59.360 --> 0:17:01.920 even know if he had as real guns or if 0:17:01.920 --> 0:17:05.240 he's just showing people pictures on his phone trying to 0:17:05.680 --> 0:17:06.879 make a quick dollar. 0:17:07.240 --> 0:17:07.719 I don't know. 0:17:08.560 --> 0:17:10.280 They'd say that he used to be in the Marines 0:17:10.920 --> 0:17:12.880 whenever he was showing me guns. That's where I thought 0:17:12.920 --> 0:17:16.000 he had guns from, was being in the military. And 0:17:16.760 --> 0:17:19.200 I didn't ask to see them because I didn't. 0:17:19.000 --> 0:17:19.640 Care about him. 0:17:19.800 --> 0:17:21.520 He offered to buy me a gun or sell me 0:17:21.560 --> 0:17:24.680 a gun, and I was like, I'm good, and he 0:17:24.840 --> 0:17:26.520 just had a lot of sketchy games. 0:17:36.000 --> 0:17:39.800 Pushing past the awkward hit chat and gun pedaling, the 0:17:39.840 --> 0:17:41.960 two couples tried to make the most out of the 0:17:42.080 --> 0:17:47.120 visit and do what they do cam, but that turned 0:17:47.160 --> 0:17:48.800 out to be kind of a bust too. 0:17:50.600 --> 0:17:53.399 We planned to do a cam show did like a 0:17:53.440 --> 0:17:57.040 big bathtub is kind of like a hot tub. It 0:17:57.160 --> 0:18:02.000 was a work thing and it just wasn't good going well. Jessica, 0:18:02.600 --> 0:18:07.119 she seemed uncomfortable. It just wasn't working, and we just 0:18:07.200 --> 0:18:07.800 kind of hung. 0:18:07.640 --> 0:18:09.680 Out and talked some more until nighttime came. 0:18:11.119 --> 0:18:14.200 But as night fell, things took a turn. 0:18:16.040 --> 0:18:20.479 Justin he pulls out Mas and they both start smoking 0:18:20.480 --> 0:18:22.000 it and they try to get us to smoke it, 0:18:22.240 --> 0:18:24.400 and we're like, no, we don't want to smoke it. 0:18:25.000 --> 0:18:29.440 So we're just kind of awkward. We're not very comfortable 0:18:29.440 --> 0:18:30.280 with the situation. 0:18:31.440 --> 0:18:32.000 They had a. 0:18:31.880 --> 0:18:36.439 Little container I've never seen math before. I don't know 0:18:36.520 --> 0:18:40.960 the quantity of what it was. They had this little 0:18:41.720 --> 0:18:44.080 contact lens and it was full of it. 0:18:44.119 --> 0:18:48.359 It just kind of gets kind of weird. We don't 0:18:48.400 --> 0:18:50.359 want to like say that we want to leave. 0:18:51.440 --> 0:18:54.119 We were too nice, so we just kind of stuck 0:18:54.160 --> 0:18:59.640 around while they did math. They were okay at first, 0:19:00.000 --> 0:19:02.080 I mean they were like the same. They were just 0:19:02.119 --> 0:19:06.280 a little up, you know, their nerves and everything, and 0:19:06.359 --> 0:19:09.399 they were just up and like full of energy. 0:19:11.040 --> 0:19:14.720 And in no time at all, the shit hits the fan. 0:19:16.359 --> 0:19:17.960 They just start out of nowhere. 0:19:18.880 --> 0:19:22.840 They like start yelling at each other, and I don't 0:19:22.880 --> 0:19:24.520 know what it has to do with because they were 0:19:24.600 --> 0:19:26.119 whispering and stuff before. 0:19:26.160 --> 0:19:27.880 They start really yelling at each other. 0:19:28.680 --> 0:19:32.160 And we thought that we could basically be a mediator 0:19:32.240 --> 0:19:36.760 but make the situation calm down a bit and like 0:19:36.880 --> 0:19:39.360 figure out what's going on and why they're so upset. 0:19:40.240 --> 0:19:41.840 So we're like, hey, what's going on? 0:19:42.520 --> 0:19:45.479 And I have to like really get in there and 0:19:45.520 --> 0:19:49.200 be like, okay, hey, how about we separate? And Jessica 0:19:49.280 --> 0:19:52.640 goes in our car and Justin stays in the room, 0:19:52.880 --> 0:19:54.440 and I start talking to Justin. 0:19:55.080 --> 0:19:59.840 My wife goes and talks to Jessica. 0:19:58.680 --> 0:20:04.400 And Justin is all over the place, like half the time, 0:20:04.480 --> 0:20:06.800 I can't even understand what he's saying, but he's calling 0:20:06.840 --> 0:20:09.240 her all kinds of names, and he's saying that he's 0:20:09.240 --> 0:20:12.720 going to do stuff to her, and I'm like, what 0:20:12.880 --> 0:20:15.880 the fuck is going on here? He was calling her 0:20:15.880 --> 0:20:20.359 a bitch and a whore and stuff like that, and 0:20:20.480 --> 0:20:23.600 he was gonna beat her and just you know, really 0:20:24.200 --> 0:20:25.200 violent stuff. 0:20:25.800 --> 0:20:27.520 He was out of his mind at that moment. 0:20:28.359 --> 0:20:32.879 He was mad because Jessica said that she wanted to 0:20:33.320 --> 0:20:37.800 have sex with me, and I was like, okay, that 0:20:37.920 --> 0:20:39.000 makes sense why you're mad. 0:20:39.920 --> 0:20:42.040 Then I go to the car and I'm like, okay, 0:20:42.080 --> 0:20:42.840 so what's going on? 0:20:43.560 --> 0:20:47.320 And Jessica just seems scared, you know, she just seems 0:20:47.359 --> 0:20:51.880 like she's scared. She doesn't want to talk to him, 0:20:51.880 --> 0:20:55.879 she doesn't want to see him. She's sitting in the 0:20:55.920 --> 0:21:01.280 car crying, just saying that she's just scared, and we 0:21:01.359 --> 0:21:03.439 felt bad for her. 0:21:04.520 --> 0:21:07.720 At that point. We go back inside. I tell Justin. 0:21:07.760 --> 0:21:11.480 I'm like, okay, Jessica's gonna come back in here, but 0:21:11.640 --> 0:21:13.879 you have to stop yelling and you have to stop 0:21:13.880 --> 0:21:14.639 being so violent. 0:21:15.119 --> 0:21:17.479 And he was like okay, right. 0:21:17.520 --> 0:21:21.080 Whenever Jessica watched the door, he starts screaming and yelling again, 0:21:21.200 --> 0:21:24.879 and We're like, what the heck. This is exactly the 0:21:24.920 --> 0:21:27.080 opposite of what you said you were gonna do. 0:21:27.240 --> 0:21:29.439 So things weren't working out. 0:21:29.640 --> 0:21:31.800 I tried one last time to tell him that he 0:21:31.800 --> 0:21:33.560 needs to calm down, and he freaked out on me. 0:21:34.600 --> 0:21:37.760 He said, if you don't shut the fuck up, then 0:21:37.800 --> 0:21:43.000 I'm gonna splatter your head against the wall. He threatened 0:21:43.040 --> 0:21:47.520 to bash my head into the wall. And at that moment, 0:21:47.720 --> 0:21:51.400 I was genuinely scared. He was a way bigger guy 0:21:51.440 --> 0:21:55.600 than me, and it just gotten out of control. I 0:21:55.680 --> 0:21:58.000 don't know how far he was willing to go or 0:21:58.280 --> 0:22:01.919 if he was actually gonna hurt me, so at that moment, 0:22:02.040 --> 0:22:05.320 we were like, okay, we're going to grab our bags 0:22:05.320 --> 0:22:05.919 and we're going to go. 0:22:09.040 --> 0:22:13.200 But before they left, the couple tried to help a hysterical, 0:22:13.760 --> 0:22:15.560 inconsolable Jessica. 0:22:17.000 --> 0:22:19.320 Jessica, she follows us to the door and she was 0:22:19.359 --> 0:22:21.920 like crying, she was sobbing. She was like, I'm so sorry, 0:22:21.960 --> 0:22:24.800 I'm so sorry. And then we were like, okay, listen, Jessica, 0:22:24.920 --> 0:22:26.000 we're going to a hotel. 0:22:26.840 --> 0:22:29.800 If you want to come with us, you can't just 0:22:29.880 --> 0:22:31.919 hop in the car with us, and she was like 0:22:32.040 --> 0:22:36.040 I can't, I can't, I can't go, and we were like, listen, 0:22:36.640 --> 0:22:38.880 you need to come in the car with us. 0:22:38.800 --> 0:22:40.280 And we're going to go to a hotel for a 0:22:40.359 --> 0:22:41.000 couple of days. 0:22:41.320 --> 0:22:43.320 It's not a big deal. You just need to get 0:22:43.359 --> 0:22:47.040 away from her. And she didn't listen. She was scared 0:22:47.080 --> 0:22:50.119 that he was going to do something more. I'm sure 0:22:50.680 --> 0:22:53.720 in that little sliver of time that we spent with them, 0:22:54.119 --> 0:22:55.639 we saw how violent he could. 0:22:55.520 --> 0:22:59.760 Get and we figured that it wasn't going to end well. 0:23:00.320 --> 0:23:04.280 Just because of that experience, it was just the weirdest 0:23:04.520 --> 0:23:06.240 weekend we've ever had. 0:23:07.480 --> 0:23:10.080 After we left and went back. 0:23:09.840 --> 0:23:14.439