1 00:00:09,960 --> 00:00:13,160 Speaker 1: It's Monday, January twenty Thursday, and we welcome you to 2 00:00:13,280 --> 00:00:17,479 Speaker 1: the OTP. I'm Mike Keith. Amy Wells is here. I 3 00:00:17,560 --> 00:00:20,239 Speaker 1: am my Mike. Good to see you, you too. Big 4 00:00:20,280 --> 00:00:23,480 Speaker 1: week for everyone beginning today in this building. Amy is 5 00:00:23,520 --> 00:00:26,200 Speaker 1: headed to Orlando, Florida. I sure, am, it's going to 6 00:00:26,280 --> 00:00:28,480 Speaker 1: be great. I'm very excited to spend some time down 7 00:00:28,520 --> 00:00:30,280 Speaker 1: at the Pro Bowl. At the Pro Bowl. I'm on 8 00:00:30,320 --> 00:00:33,239 Speaker 1: the way to Mobile, Alabama, to the Senior Bowl, the 9 00:00:33,400 --> 00:00:37,240 Speaker 1: Orlando of Alabama. It is. It is this week for sure, yeah, 10 00:00:37,520 --> 00:00:39,920 Speaker 1: with all the football that's going on. But before that, 11 00:00:40,040 --> 00:00:43,239 Speaker 1: we have a lot to discuss with Titan's radio Game 12 00:00:43,320 --> 00:00:46,560 Speaker 1: Day analyst Dave McGinnis, our special guest on the OTP, 13 00:00:46,720 --> 00:00:49,120 Speaker 1: Coach Mack. Thank you for joining us, guys. It's always 14 00:00:49,120 --> 00:00:51,560 Speaker 1: a pleasure of being here with you. Guys. We have topics, 15 00:00:51,600 --> 00:00:54,400 Speaker 1: we have questions, and you were on the witness stand 16 00:00:54,440 --> 00:00:56,640 Speaker 1: today on the OTP. Are you ready? Yeah, I've been 17 00:00:56,640 --> 00:01:00,920 Speaker 1: to court before, all right. Arthur Smith. Arthur Smith is 18 00:01:00,960 --> 00:01:05,520 Speaker 1: the new offensive coordinator of the Tennessee Titans, Mike Vrabel 19 00:01:05,640 --> 00:01:09,520 Speaker 1: naming him to that post earlier today. You like this 20 00:01:09,560 --> 00:01:13,640 Speaker 1: move very much? First question, why do you like this? Okay, look, 21 00:01:13,680 --> 00:01:14,880 Speaker 1: this is gonna be it. This is gonna be a 22 00:01:14,959 --> 00:01:17,720 Speaker 1: multifaceted answer. And the first reason I like it is 23 00:01:17,959 --> 00:01:20,800 Speaker 1: it's a really good football decision, and it's a good 24 00:01:20,800 --> 00:01:25,040 Speaker 1: football position decision because of the continuity that it brings. 25 00:01:25,280 --> 00:01:29,000 Speaker 1: And also, look, you can't manufacture respect in this business, 26 00:01:29,360 --> 00:01:33,560 Speaker 1: and especially between players and coaches. That is earned. And 27 00:01:33,600 --> 00:01:36,560 Speaker 1: you know when a coach has players respect, not even 28 00:01:36,640 --> 00:01:39,520 Speaker 1: the position they're coaching, but from everybody else. You could 29 00:01:39,560 --> 00:01:41,280 Speaker 1: sense that with Arthur. Let me go back and give 30 00:01:41,319 --> 00:01:44,600 Speaker 1: you my background with Arthur Smith. When I stayed here 31 00:01:44,760 --> 00:01:49,880 Speaker 1: the year after Jeff Fisher lived all right, and Mike 32 00:01:49,960 --> 00:01:52,360 Speaker 1: Munchak was a head coach, we brought Arthur Smith in 33 00:01:52,400 --> 00:01:56,320 Speaker 1: here as a defensive quality control coach from the Washington Redskins. 34 00:01:56,960 --> 00:01:59,760 Speaker 1: Arthur was back there in a little small office. Jerry 35 00:01:59,760 --> 00:02:04,400 Speaker 1: Grey was the defensive coordinator, and Arthur was charged with 36 00:02:04,480 --> 00:02:07,480 Speaker 1: not only installing all of the new defense we were 37 00:02:07,480 --> 00:02:09,639 Speaker 1: putting in. And when I say installed, I say in 38 00:02:09,800 --> 00:02:12,480 Speaker 1: putting and building a playbook with what we were doing 39 00:02:12,760 --> 00:02:15,799 Speaker 1: once we got into the season. Okay, what I did 40 00:02:15,800 --> 00:02:17,880 Speaker 1: for Jerry and what I did from Mike Munchak. You know, 41 00:02:17,919 --> 00:02:19,839 Speaker 1: part of my duties were I would I would work 42 00:02:19,840 --> 00:02:22,600 Speaker 1: on the protections for the opponents we were getting ready 43 00:02:22,600 --> 00:02:24,440 Speaker 1: to play. In other words, i'd break down their protections. 44 00:02:24,560 --> 00:02:26,680 Speaker 1: I would take it into Jerry Gray and say, Jerry, look, 45 00:02:27,120 --> 00:02:29,720 Speaker 1: here's looks to me like, here's on second and long 46 00:02:29,880 --> 00:02:33,000 Speaker 1: or third and plus. Here's the protections they're using. Here's 47 00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:35,640 Speaker 1: what I think we can do against these protections to 48 00:02:35,760 --> 00:02:38,160 Speaker 1: get home. Here's how I think this would work. And 49 00:02:38,200 --> 00:02:39,640 Speaker 1: we would put it together. But I would take it 50 00:02:39,639 --> 00:02:42,040 Speaker 1: to Arthur, and Arthur would build it into a power point, 51 00:02:42,120 --> 00:02:44,400 Speaker 1: all right. And then Jerry Gray said, Coach Mac, I 52 00:02:44,400 --> 00:02:48,040 Speaker 1: would like you to present this on our Thursday protection 53 00:02:48,160 --> 00:02:50,880 Speaker 1: day to the defense. And I said, no, I mean 54 00:02:50,919 --> 00:02:52,840 Speaker 1: I'd been coaching for a long time at that point, 55 00:02:53,200 --> 00:02:56,400 Speaker 1: I don't need to practice my presentations. But Arthur Smith 56 00:02:56,480 --> 00:02:59,000 Speaker 1: put this together. He and I worked together. Let's have 57 00:02:59,120 --> 00:03:01,960 Speaker 1: Arthur present it to the to the defense. Which is Look, 58 00:03:02,200 --> 00:03:04,520 Speaker 1: when you're coaching this league, you know you work a 59 00:03:04,560 --> 00:03:06,560 Speaker 1: long time behind the scenes, and when you get a 60 00:03:06,639 --> 00:03:08,600 Speaker 1: chance to get in front of a squad, that's what 61 00:03:08,639 --> 00:03:10,400 Speaker 1: you want to do. That's when you know whether you 62 00:03:10,440 --> 00:03:12,919 Speaker 1: can handle a room, whether you can present you know, 63 00:03:12,960 --> 00:03:15,600 Speaker 1: those types of things, because coaching is teaching. He's twenty 64 00:03:15,600 --> 00:03:18,520 Speaker 1: seven years old at this time. Yes, and again you 65 00:03:18,520 --> 00:03:20,320 Speaker 1: know it does not have a lot of experience in it. 66 00:03:20,360 --> 00:03:22,760 Speaker 1: But was willing to do the dirty work and get 67 00:03:22,760 --> 00:03:24,120 Speaker 1: down in it. And so I wanted him to be 68 00:03:24,160 --> 00:03:25,840 Speaker 1: able to, you know, to step out in front. And 69 00:03:25,840 --> 00:03:27,680 Speaker 1: I thought it was a good idea because, as I said, 70 00:03:28,160 --> 00:03:31,079 Speaker 1: I didn't need to practice my presentations anymore. I'd done 71 00:03:31,080 --> 00:03:34,240 Speaker 1: it all. So Arthur did that and he was marvelous. 72 00:03:34,280 --> 00:03:37,640 Speaker 1: He was fantastic. I mean, he was detailed, but he 73 00:03:37,720 --> 00:03:39,760 Speaker 1: presented it in such a way that he kept the 74 00:03:39,800 --> 00:03:44,360 Speaker 1: player's attention. He had their attention. He presented factual information 75 00:03:44,440 --> 00:03:47,119 Speaker 1: and you can overload players. He knew exactly how much 76 00:03:47,120 --> 00:03:49,320 Speaker 1: to get it. And plus then if they had any 77 00:03:49,400 --> 00:03:52,119 Speaker 1: questions afterwards, they would come to me or there would 78 00:03:52,160 --> 00:03:54,600 Speaker 1: come to Arthur, and he had answers. Okay. And so 79 00:03:54,640 --> 00:03:57,360 Speaker 1: I've watched him, I've watched him grow and then when 80 00:03:57,400 --> 00:04:00,920 Speaker 1: he stayed now, he stayed through several regimes, coaching regimes 81 00:04:00,920 --> 00:04:03,520 Speaker 1: that have changed. That's hard to do in the National 82 00:04:03,520 --> 00:04:06,720 Speaker 1: Football League. If you're staying through coaching changes, you've got 83 00:04:06,800 --> 00:04:10,440 Speaker 1: something to you. People in the organization like what you bring. 84 00:04:10,960 --> 00:04:13,760 Speaker 1: And then also football coaches that come in, they're not 85 00:04:13,800 --> 00:04:16,960 Speaker 1: going to hire anybody just because somebody else likes them. 86 00:04:17,279 --> 00:04:19,719 Speaker 1: They are going to hire them or keep them because 87 00:04:19,760 --> 00:04:22,480 Speaker 1: of the work that they can do for them and 88 00:04:22,520 --> 00:04:25,600 Speaker 1: how they can help their regime be better. He's been 89 00:04:25,640 --> 00:04:27,719 Speaker 1: here through a lot of that. I love the hire 90 00:04:27,839 --> 00:04:30,800 Speaker 1: because first of all, I respect him his work, ethic, 91 00:04:30,880 --> 00:04:34,000 Speaker 1: what he does, his knowledge, and I know how much 92 00:04:34,120 --> 00:04:37,400 Speaker 1: these players respect him in this locker room. He did 93 00:04:37,400 --> 00:04:40,159 Speaker 1: a fantastic job with that tight end group this week, 94 00:04:40,160 --> 00:04:43,799 Speaker 1: and I think his ability to be able to continue 95 00:04:43,839 --> 00:04:47,320 Speaker 1: the offense that we've started, you know, with Matt Lafleur, 96 00:04:47,680 --> 00:04:49,800 Speaker 1: will be really really big. In plus, I think he 97 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:53,520 Speaker 1: and Mike Vrabel will mesh very well. As far as philosophy. 98 00:04:54,720 --> 00:04:57,920 Speaker 1: He's been with Marcus Mariota the entire time Marcus has 99 00:04:57,920 --> 00:05:02,960 Speaker 1: been here since twenty fifteen. Great point, Huge advantage, Huge advantage, 100 00:05:03,080 --> 00:05:05,400 Speaker 1: Great point, Mike, And I mean, you have to and 101 00:05:05,440 --> 00:05:08,880 Speaker 1: you understand ball. That is a huge thing. He understands 102 00:05:08,960 --> 00:05:11,240 Speaker 1: all the things that he can do, all the things 103 00:05:11,279 --> 00:05:13,680 Speaker 1: he cannot do, and he also understands the things he 104 00:05:13,680 --> 00:05:16,039 Speaker 1: can be able to build on with him. This is 105 00:05:16,040 --> 00:05:18,159 Speaker 1: a big year for Marcus. This is a big year 106 00:05:18,200 --> 00:05:20,440 Speaker 1: for this franchise. I mean it really is. And I 107 00:05:21,200 --> 00:05:23,680 Speaker 1: like the higher because not only does it bring stability, 108 00:05:23,960 --> 00:05:26,560 Speaker 1: I think it brings a real essence of the fact 109 00:05:26,640 --> 00:05:29,240 Speaker 1: that we've got confidence in that locker room as to 110 00:05:29,279 --> 00:05:32,040 Speaker 1: what we are doing. Now. Now let's add pieces to it. 111 00:05:32,440 --> 00:05:35,000 Speaker 1: Arthur Smith is ready for this. I mean I have 112 00:05:35,080 --> 00:05:37,480 Speaker 1: no doubt because I have worked with him. I've seen him, 113 00:05:37,480 --> 00:05:40,080 Speaker 1: I've sat in the same room with him game planning, 114 00:05:40,360 --> 00:05:42,240 Speaker 1: and then I've watched him grow as a coach. I've 115 00:05:42,240 --> 00:05:44,839 Speaker 1: got no doubt this is a good move. Why is 116 00:05:44,920 --> 00:05:50,000 Speaker 1: the tight end coach so important in the National Football League? 117 00:05:50,320 --> 00:05:53,800 Speaker 1: And why do so many tight end coaches eventually become 118 00:05:53,839 --> 00:05:56,960 Speaker 1: offensive coordinating the same reason the linebacker coach in the 119 00:05:57,000 --> 00:06:00,680 Speaker 1: league becomes coordinators. You have to be able to incorporate 120 00:06:00,720 --> 00:06:03,080 Speaker 1: the front and the back end as a linebacker coach. 121 00:06:03,080 --> 00:06:05,719 Speaker 1: On defense, as a tight end coach, you have to 122 00:06:05,720 --> 00:06:08,599 Speaker 1: be able to incorporate the run and the pass game 123 00:06:08,920 --> 00:06:14,279 Speaker 1: and the protection game. Okay, if you're a wide receiver coach, Okay, 124 00:06:14,320 --> 00:06:16,640 Speaker 1: a lot of times you're not involved in a protection 125 00:06:16,960 --> 00:06:19,120 Speaker 1: you're not involved in what's going on. You're worried about 126 00:06:19,200 --> 00:06:22,839 Speaker 1: route concepts and what's going on. If you're a running 127 00:06:22,839 --> 00:06:25,760 Speaker 1: back coach, you're not so concerned sometimes about the passing 128 00:06:25,800 --> 00:06:27,920 Speaker 1: game downfield of what's going on. If you're a tight 129 00:06:28,040 --> 00:06:31,280 Speaker 1: end coach, Mike and Amy, you're involved in all of that. 130 00:06:31,600 --> 00:06:34,960 Speaker 1: You're involved in run game game plans, you're involved in 131 00:06:35,040 --> 00:06:38,760 Speaker 1: downfield passing game game plans, and you're also involved in 132 00:06:39,040 --> 00:06:41,160 Speaker 1: which I think is one of the more important aspects, 133 00:06:41,400 --> 00:06:44,680 Speaker 1: the protection part of the game plan. Those guys have 134 00:06:44,760 --> 00:06:47,880 Speaker 1: to incorporate all of it because that's what the position entails. 135 00:06:48,720 --> 00:06:51,360 Speaker 1: So this really seems like, just from everything that you've 136 00:06:51,360 --> 00:06:54,120 Speaker 1: been saying, he's really kind of the trifecta. He's got 137 00:06:54,120 --> 00:06:56,600 Speaker 1: the experience with the Titans organization, he's of course a 138 00:06:56,600 --> 00:06:59,440 Speaker 1: hard worker with good football knowledge, and he's used to 139 00:06:59,480 --> 00:07:02,360 Speaker 1: dealing with a lot of different aspects of an organization. 140 00:07:02,839 --> 00:07:05,320 Speaker 1: I mean, what luck for this Tennessee Titans team to 141 00:07:05,480 --> 00:07:08,200 Speaker 1: have a person like that in this position right now? 142 00:07:08,240 --> 00:07:10,200 Speaker 1: You know, and and Amy. It's a good point, and 143 00:07:10,280 --> 00:07:13,600 Speaker 1: sometimes sometimes it's one of those things. The grass is 144 00:07:13,640 --> 00:07:16,320 Speaker 1: not always greener, you know, type of scenario and you 145 00:07:16,600 --> 00:07:18,680 Speaker 1: need to you need to realize, you know what, what 146 00:07:19,080 --> 00:07:21,320 Speaker 1: does it say Sometimes a prophet's not recognized in his 147 00:07:21,360 --> 00:07:23,800 Speaker 1: own land. You need to understand the people that are 148 00:07:23,800 --> 00:07:26,080 Speaker 1: in your building. When you understand the people that are 149 00:07:26,080 --> 00:07:28,560 Speaker 1: in your building, and you've you've seen him work day 150 00:07:28,560 --> 00:07:31,400 Speaker 1: to day and how they interact not only with just 151 00:07:31,520 --> 00:07:34,239 Speaker 1: their group, but with everybody else. I mean, I really 152 00:07:34,280 --> 00:07:37,000 Speaker 1: like it because look, if he wasn't ready to do it, 153 00:07:37,080 --> 00:07:40,480 Speaker 1: and if he wasn't capable, I promise you John Robinson, 154 00:07:40,560 --> 00:07:43,280 Speaker 1: Mike Vrabel would not have you know, And look, I 155 00:07:43,280 --> 00:07:45,880 Speaker 1: would venture to say, and I'm not talking for Arthur Smith, 156 00:07:45,880 --> 00:07:48,200 Speaker 1: but I would venture to say that if he felt 157 00:07:48,240 --> 00:07:50,400 Speaker 1: like he wasn't ready to do it, he would tell 158 00:07:50,440 --> 00:07:54,120 Speaker 1: them that too, because that's just Look, there's no pretense 159 00:07:54,160 --> 00:07:56,160 Speaker 1: to Arthur Smith. You guys have been around him, and 160 00:07:56,200 --> 00:07:58,680 Speaker 1: you know as a person, there's no pretense to him. 161 00:07:58,760 --> 00:08:01,400 Speaker 1: He is. He is as genuine as they come. But 162 00:08:01,480 --> 00:08:04,840 Speaker 1: he's also he's also smart, smart, smart, and he's a 163 00:08:04,840 --> 00:08:07,240 Speaker 1: football guy. And that was the number one thing I 164 00:08:07,280 --> 00:08:10,480 Speaker 1: said when Mike asked me that question. He's a football person, 165 00:08:10,560 --> 00:08:14,160 Speaker 1: which is important if you believe the reports last year 166 00:08:14,640 --> 00:08:18,400 Speaker 1: Mike Vrabel wanted Sean Day to be his offensive coordinator. 167 00:08:19,160 --> 00:08:21,880 Speaker 1: He's now the head coach at Ohio Stage. So that 168 00:08:22,560 --> 00:08:25,120 Speaker 1: was a pretty good look from Vrabel right there. The 169 00:08:25,200 --> 00:08:27,320 Speaker 1: guy he went out and got with the help of 170 00:08:27,400 --> 00:08:30,960 Speaker 1: John Robinson and the organization even though he didn't know him, 171 00:08:31,280 --> 00:08:33,880 Speaker 1: was Matt Lafleur. He's now the head coach of the 172 00:08:33,880 --> 00:08:38,440 Speaker 1: Green Bay Packers. So I think it's pretty obvious that 173 00:08:38,559 --> 00:08:40,920 Speaker 1: from what we've seen this head coach do, he's not 174 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:45,120 Speaker 1: into the buddy system. He's not hiring somebody's brother in law. 175 00:08:45,440 --> 00:08:49,640 Speaker 1: He's not doing this because it's convenient. He went through 176 00:08:50,320 --> 00:08:53,640 Speaker 1: a lot of different looks, he spent a lot of time, 177 00:08:53,640 --> 00:08:55,640 Speaker 1: and you could tell from what he said he spent 178 00:08:55,720 --> 00:08:59,160 Speaker 1: a lot of time with Arthur Smith before doing this. 179 00:08:59,679 --> 00:09:03,640 Speaker 1: Mike Rabel does this because he believes in it, absolutely, Mike. 180 00:09:03,720 --> 00:09:05,600 Speaker 1: And I mean, look, this is this is Mike Vrabel's 181 00:09:05,679 --> 00:09:08,240 Speaker 1: chance too, sure, I mean, this is this is important 182 00:09:08,240 --> 00:09:10,400 Speaker 1: for his career as to what's going on. So he 183 00:09:10,800 --> 00:09:13,440 Speaker 1: wasn't going to make a ready fire aim decision and 184 00:09:13,480 --> 00:09:15,440 Speaker 1: he had no reason to, and I'm sure that he 185 00:09:15,480 --> 00:09:18,040 Speaker 1: had free rein to go look at whoever he wanted to, 186 00:09:18,120 --> 00:09:19,840 Speaker 1: you know, within reason as far as to who he 187 00:09:19,840 --> 00:09:22,200 Speaker 1: could get. But the fact that he's willing, and that 188 00:09:22,280 --> 00:09:25,199 Speaker 1: to me shows great depth and insight. You're willing to 189 00:09:25,240 --> 00:09:28,480 Speaker 1: look at all aspects. And as I said, sometimes it's 190 00:09:28,559 --> 00:09:31,440 Speaker 1: easy to overlook the people that you're closest to, sure 191 00:09:31,800 --> 00:09:34,640 Speaker 1: if you're not really concentrating on the correct thing, and 192 00:09:34,720 --> 00:09:37,720 Speaker 1: to think the next greatest thing is out there instead 193 00:09:37,720 --> 00:09:40,080 Speaker 1: of Rather, we've got some pretty good stuff right here, 194 00:09:40,400 --> 00:09:43,520 Speaker 1: and I applaud him for that. But I've been around 195 00:09:43,600 --> 00:09:46,520 Speaker 1: Mike Vrabel long enough this season. You guys have too. 196 00:09:46,960 --> 00:09:51,120 Speaker 1: He's not going to make a decision just to please everybody, anybody. 197 00:09:51,200 --> 00:09:53,640 Speaker 1: He doesn't. No, No, that's not what he's about. I mean, 198 00:09:53,720 --> 00:09:57,280 Speaker 1: he's he's won world championships in this league and he 199 00:09:57,360 --> 00:09:59,720 Speaker 1: knows how to do it. And he's also been involved 200 00:09:59,760 --> 00:10:02,480 Speaker 1: in a team that's playing in the Super Bowl again 201 00:10:03,040 --> 00:10:05,400 Speaker 1: that they do it with a selfless you know, it 202 00:10:05,440 --> 00:10:09,360 Speaker 1: doesn't really Everything points towards one thing. Win ball games 203 00:10:09,440 --> 00:10:12,120 Speaker 1: and win ball games week the week. That's what he's 204 00:10:12,240 --> 00:10:14,800 Speaker 1: That's what this hire is about. This hire is about 205 00:10:14,920 --> 00:10:18,160 Speaker 1: longevity and being able to be consistent. I'm gonna turn 206 00:10:18,200 --> 00:10:20,320 Speaker 1: this to Amy Wells. I'm gonna ask you a question. Yeah, 207 00:10:20,360 --> 00:10:24,000 Speaker 1: this is your seventh year with the organization. Arthur Smith 208 00:10:24,080 --> 00:10:26,840 Speaker 1: is starting his ninth year. So you have been here 209 00:10:26,840 --> 00:10:30,160 Speaker 1: for all but two seasons of Arthur Smith. You're in 210 00:10:30,200 --> 00:10:33,040 Speaker 1: the building here at St. Thomas Sports Park, you know 211 00:10:33,200 --> 00:10:35,280 Speaker 1: all the members of the coaching staff, you know the 212 00:10:35,320 --> 00:10:40,040 Speaker 1: personnel staff, you're around. Talk to me about the respect 213 00:10:40,200 --> 00:10:44,240 Speaker 1: that Arthur Smith has from your perspective in this building 214 00:10:44,320 --> 00:10:47,640 Speaker 1: and why people here at St. Thomas Sports Park are 215 00:10:47,720 --> 00:10:50,600 Speaker 1: not surprised by this promotion. I think it's a lot 216 00:10:50,640 --> 00:10:54,120 Speaker 1: of what coach Mac already touched on with his work ethic. 217 00:10:54,440 --> 00:10:57,880 Speaker 1: Everybody sees the guys that work the hardest. They see 218 00:10:57,920 --> 00:10:59,960 Speaker 1: the guys that are always in the building. I don't 219 00:11:00,040 --> 00:11:02,400 Speaker 1: think I've ever been in this building and Arthur Smith 220 00:11:02,520 --> 00:11:05,600 Speaker 1: was not also in this building. He's here late at night, 221 00:11:05,679 --> 00:11:08,400 Speaker 1: he's here early in the morning. So he's a grinder. 222 00:11:08,840 --> 00:11:11,920 Speaker 1: And so I think that from a coaching perspective, all 223 00:11:11,960 --> 00:11:14,600 Speaker 1: of the coaches see that, they recognize that they like 224 00:11:14,720 --> 00:11:18,920 Speaker 1: that about him. The players have so much respect for him, 225 00:11:19,160 --> 00:11:23,079 Speaker 1: and I think even more this year, the tight end 226 00:11:23,120 --> 00:11:27,000 Speaker 1: position kind of had a tough year that that was 227 00:11:27,040 --> 00:11:29,960 Speaker 1: not a great room if you didn't want to injure yourself. 228 00:11:30,559 --> 00:11:33,800 Speaker 1: So seeing the way that he was able to coach 229 00:11:33,960 --> 00:11:36,960 Speaker 1: up some very young talent and get them to a 230 00:11:37,040 --> 00:11:40,800 Speaker 1: place where they could be contributors on the team and 231 00:11:40,840 --> 00:11:43,160 Speaker 1: make some big plays and rise up to that moment, 232 00:11:43,440 --> 00:11:45,800 Speaker 1: I think a lot of players saw how he was 233 00:11:45,840 --> 00:11:48,320 Speaker 1: able to coach, how he was able to work with 234 00:11:48,360 --> 00:11:51,760 Speaker 1: those guys this year specifically. But gosh, I mean, guys 235 00:11:51,760 --> 00:11:56,080 Speaker 1: like Delaney Walker love Arthur Smith. They love working with him. 236 00:11:56,120 --> 00:11:58,679 Speaker 1: They love his style of coaching, the way that he 237 00:11:58,720 --> 00:12:02,600 Speaker 1: can relate with them. I am so happy for him 238 00:12:02,679 --> 00:12:05,200 Speaker 1: to be able to get this opportunity because it gives 239 00:12:05,240 --> 00:12:07,640 Speaker 1: him the chance to coach a wider breadth of people. 240 00:12:07,960 --> 00:12:11,040 Speaker 1: Let me take it a different way. So, when Arthur 241 00:12:11,080 --> 00:12:14,040 Speaker 1: Smith came here, he was Jerry Gray's guy. Jerry Gray 242 00:12:14,080 --> 00:12:17,920 Speaker 1: brought him from Washington here by way. He had gone 243 00:12:17,960 --> 00:12:19,880 Speaker 1: to Old Miss in between, but he brought him here 244 00:12:19,880 --> 00:12:23,680 Speaker 1: because he was Jerry Gray's guy. Then he became Dal 245 00:12:23,760 --> 00:12:27,559 Speaker 1: Loggins guy. When Dal Loggins became the offensive coordinator, Mike 246 00:12:27,640 --> 00:12:30,840 Speaker 1: Munchak thought the world of him as well. Then he 247 00:12:30,960 --> 00:12:34,880 Speaker 1: became Mike Mullarkey's guy as the assistant tight end coach, 248 00:12:35,200 --> 00:12:37,599 Speaker 1: and one of the first things Malarkey did that was 249 00:12:37,640 --> 00:12:39,880 Speaker 1: the easiest movie made. When he became head coach, he said, 250 00:12:40,000 --> 00:12:42,480 Speaker 1: Arthur Smith is the tight end coach that's over and 251 00:12:42,559 --> 00:12:46,920 Speaker 1: done with. And then he became Terry Robiski's guy, and 252 00:12:46,960 --> 00:12:51,160 Speaker 1: then he became Matton Lafleur's guy. Coaches are about preservation. 253 00:12:51,640 --> 00:12:54,520 Speaker 1: The people that they keep close are the ones that 254 00:12:54,559 --> 00:12:56,640 Speaker 1: are going to help them win, to either keep a 255 00:12:56,720 --> 00:13:00,000 Speaker 1: job or get a better job. Arthur Smith has been 256 00:13:00,200 --> 00:13:03,319 Speaker 1: six different guys. Guy. No, and that's true. I mean 257 00:13:03,320 --> 00:13:07,040 Speaker 1: he was my guy. I mean seriously, I mean, just 258 00:13:07,120 --> 00:13:09,600 Speaker 1: like we started this, you know, this podcast off by saying, 259 00:13:09,679 --> 00:13:12,920 Speaker 1: you know when the many duties I did, one of 260 00:13:12,960 --> 00:13:14,920 Speaker 1: them was get protections. And so I said, I went 261 00:13:14,960 --> 00:13:17,480 Speaker 1: to Arthur, said Arthur looking coach, Mike, I'm all in, 262 00:13:17,600 --> 00:13:19,960 Speaker 1: what do you want to do? So, I mean, he's 263 00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:23,360 Speaker 1: a football guy. And plus, look you talk about guy. 264 00:13:23,440 --> 00:13:25,199 Speaker 1: There's guys in this league that fit into a lot 265 00:13:25,200 --> 00:13:27,800 Speaker 1: of categories. I've seen them all in thirty three years. 266 00:13:28,080 --> 00:13:31,160 Speaker 1: There are some guys that are pollinators, they're self promoters, 267 00:13:31,440 --> 00:13:33,679 Speaker 1: they want to go out and just tell everybody how 268 00:13:33,679 --> 00:13:35,960 Speaker 1: great they are and try to move. You know, they 269 00:13:36,080 --> 00:13:38,400 Speaker 1: get a job to look for the next job, Okay. 270 00:13:38,600 --> 00:13:41,000 Speaker 1: And then there are those guys and Amy Wells said 271 00:13:41,000 --> 00:13:43,640 Speaker 1: the word so well, they are grinders. They could care 272 00:13:43,760 --> 00:13:47,199 Speaker 1: less who gets the credit. They just want their players 273 00:13:47,200 --> 00:13:48,880 Speaker 1: to be the best, and then they want to help 274 00:13:48,920 --> 00:13:52,320 Speaker 1: the group win. That's Arthur Smith. And look, it reminds 275 00:13:52,320 --> 00:13:54,400 Speaker 1: me and I told you guys this earlier, and I'll 276 00:13:54,440 --> 00:13:56,719 Speaker 1: say it on air when we're talking about It's got 277 00:13:56,760 --> 00:13:58,520 Speaker 1: a lot of the Andy Reid stuff to it. The 278 00:13:58,559 --> 00:14:01,080 Speaker 1: way he started out. You know, nobody really knew who 279 00:14:01,120 --> 00:14:03,679 Speaker 1: he was. Nobody knew who Mike McCarthy was. No. I mean, 280 00:14:03,679 --> 00:14:06,360 Speaker 1: I'm talking about back in the day when you when 281 00:14:06,360 --> 00:14:08,120 Speaker 1: somebody you would look at a body of work to 282 00:14:08,559 --> 00:14:11,640 Speaker 1: promote people. I love this just because the fact, not 283 00:14:11,640 --> 00:14:14,080 Speaker 1: only do I know Arthur. Look, if he wasn't a 284 00:14:14,080 --> 00:14:15,880 Speaker 1: good ball coach, I'd sit here right now and tell 285 00:14:15,880 --> 00:14:21,080 Speaker 1: both of you I don't like it this. I really 286 00:14:21,120 --> 00:14:24,280 Speaker 1: like this well. And I think for the listen, the 287 00:14:24,320 --> 00:14:26,840 Speaker 1: proof's going to be in the pudding. Sure, Arthur Smith's 288 00:14:26,880 --> 00:14:29,120 Speaker 1: going to be a good offensive coordinator or he's not 289 00:14:29,680 --> 00:14:31,800 Speaker 1: Arthur Smith is going to be able to call good plays, 290 00:14:31,960 --> 00:14:35,040 Speaker 1: or he's not. The Titans are gonna win games or 291 00:14:35,080 --> 00:14:38,320 Speaker 1: they're not. Well, we'll get to later in twenty nineteen 292 00:14:38,320 --> 00:14:40,760 Speaker 1: and find all that out. That's one hundred percent true. 293 00:14:41,600 --> 00:14:45,280 Speaker 1: But I think from our perspective, the three of us, 294 00:14:46,160 --> 00:14:49,960 Speaker 1: when you've been around a ball coach, I don't think 295 00:14:50,040 --> 00:14:53,200 Speaker 1: you have to know every X and O and every 296 00:14:53,560 --> 00:14:57,560 Speaker 1: bit of terminology to understand who are ball coaches and 297 00:14:57,640 --> 00:15:01,200 Speaker 1: who are not. This guy is a good ball coach. 298 00:15:01,400 --> 00:15:05,000 Speaker 1: Anybody who has been around him, and anybody who has 299 00:15:05,160 --> 00:15:08,200 Speaker 1: witnessed him work and seen the respect that he gets 300 00:15:08,200 --> 00:15:10,760 Speaker 1: and seen the head coaches that have chosen to keep 301 00:15:10,880 --> 00:15:14,400 Speaker 1: him easily. I mean, Mike Vrabel was not going to 302 00:15:14,560 --> 00:15:17,040 Speaker 1: keep guys just his pals. He ran the majority of 303 00:15:17,080 --> 00:15:19,960 Speaker 1: the people who were here before off because he wanted 304 00:15:19,960 --> 00:15:23,400 Speaker 1: a different look. He wanted Arthur Smith here. He got recommendations, 305 00:15:23,800 --> 00:15:27,640 Speaker 1: people told him, just like Rustin Webster told Ken wizzen Hunt. Hey, 306 00:15:27,720 --> 00:15:30,920 Speaker 1: this guy's a keeper. I'm telling you. But the head 307 00:15:30,920 --> 00:15:35,320 Speaker 1: coach has to decide that this guy is good at 308 00:15:35,400 --> 00:15:38,840 Speaker 1: what he does and it feels like is worthy of 309 00:15:38,840 --> 00:15:41,240 Speaker 1: this opportunity. Well, and here's the thing for me that 310 00:15:41,440 --> 00:15:45,280 Speaker 1: strikes me so much, the consistency factor. There have been 311 00:15:45,320 --> 00:15:47,680 Speaker 1: a lot of offensive coordinators coming through here in the 312 00:15:47,760 --> 00:15:51,400 Speaker 1: last couple of years for a variety of reasons, and 313 00:15:51,880 --> 00:15:54,840 Speaker 1: I like the fact that there's a consistent face. It's 314 00:15:54,880 --> 00:15:57,440 Speaker 1: someone who's familiar with so many guys on this team, 315 00:15:57,560 --> 00:16:00,680 Speaker 1: so much of the talent that they have. He's able 316 00:16:00,720 --> 00:16:03,360 Speaker 1: to work a system to play to their strengths because 317 00:16:03,400 --> 00:16:06,320 Speaker 1: he's so familiar with them. And there's a chance, we 318 00:16:06,360 --> 00:16:08,480 Speaker 1: don't know how the rest of the offensive staff is 319 00:16:08,520 --> 00:16:11,640 Speaker 1: going to look one percent, but you can imagine that 320 00:16:11,720 --> 00:16:14,440 Speaker 1: with someone who has consistently been here, they're not going 321 00:16:14,480 --> 00:16:16,800 Speaker 1: to be bringing in a bunch of their guys from 322 00:16:16,960 --> 00:16:20,280 Speaker 1: who knows where. There's going to be a consistency factor 323 00:16:20,440 --> 00:16:22,800 Speaker 1: throughout the offense that I think is going to be 324 00:16:22,880 --> 00:16:26,000 Speaker 1: so valuable from Marcus Mariota all the way down. Well, 325 00:16:26,040 --> 00:16:31,120 Speaker 1: and the receivers, I mean the receivers to me, especially 326 00:16:31,160 --> 00:16:34,320 Speaker 1: with this young group with all the changes, Man, it 327 00:16:34,320 --> 00:16:36,600 Speaker 1: would be nice if these guys could do the same 328 00:16:36,640 --> 00:16:39,240 Speaker 1: thing for a while and be able to stay with it, because, 329 00:16:39,480 --> 00:16:41,760 Speaker 1: let's face it, coach one of the biggest problems we've 330 00:16:41,760 --> 00:16:46,400 Speaker 1: had at wide Receiver has been inconsistent performance. And every 331 00:16:46,440 --> 00:16:49,080 Speaker 1: coach we've talked to who's been through these doors has said, well, 332 00:16:49,120 --> 00:16:51,480 Speaker 1: you know, there's a new system. They've said it over 333 00:16:51,520 --> 00:16:54,840 Speaker 1: and over again, and that has seemed to stunt the 334 00:16:54,920 --> 00:16:58,800 Speaker 1: growth of guys at different times. Maybe some consistency in 335 00:16:58,880 --> 00:17:02,760 Speaker 1: terminology and X expectation will allow this young group to 336 00:17:02,800 --> 00:17:05,760 Speaker 1: take some decent things they did this year and progress 337 00:17:05,800 --> 00:17:07,879 Speaker 1: even further. Such a valuable point, and it goes right 338 00:17:07,920 --> 00:17:09,679 Speaker 1: to what you know Amy said too. I mean, he 339 00:17:09,800 --> 00:17:11,720 Speaker 1: not only knows what the guys that he has on 340 00:17:11,720 --> 00:17:14,320 Speaker 1: this squad can do, he knows what they can't do. 341 00:17:14,760 --> 00:17:17,920 Speaker 1: And that's sometimes that's as big a bigger knowledge as 342 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:21,240 Speaker 1: anything as a coach. Not only do you know what 343 00:17:21,320 --> 00:17:23,399 Speaker 1: can you do? But what can't you do? Too? And 344 00:17:23,480 --> 00:17:25,280 Speaker 1: what don't I need to not ask you to do? 345 00:17:25,560 --> 00:17:28,040 Speaker 1: He's got that, He's got that ability because he's been 346 00:17:28,080 --> 00:17:30,960 Speaker 1: here through all of it. He has seen all of it. Now, 347 00:17:31,000 --> 00:17:33,159 Speaker 1: I mean, you've been here the whole time, you know, 348 00:17:33,320 --> 00:17:36,440 Speaker 1: and you've you've you know the things, the different things 349 00:17:36,440 --> 00:17:39,480 Speaker 1: that he's gone through, and he's gone through different systems, 350 00:17:39,520 --> 00:17:42,200 Speaker 1: different but at the same time, he knows what he 351 00:17:42,240 --> 00:17:45,000 Speaker 1: knows what this group can do. I mean he does 352 00:17:45,080 --> 00:17:46,960 Speaker 1: he knows what this group can do and what they 353 00:17:47,040 --> 00:17:49,040 Speaker 1: can't do. I like it. I'm going to be really 354 00:17:49,040 --> 00:17:51,920 Speaker 1: interested to see to watch him build on this too. 355 00:17:51,960 --> 00:17:55,439 Speaker 1: And look again, Mike Varabel, let me just say this, 356 00:17:55,480 --> 00:17:57,240 Speaker 1: and I don't want to keep comparing things to what 357 00:17:57,720 --> 00:18:02,399 Speaker 1: But whenever Bill Belichick promotes somebody from within, you know, 358 00:18:02,480 --> 00:18:04,479 Speaker 1: as an next coordinator, I mean, does anybody know who 359 00:18:04,520 --> 00:18:07,320 Speaker 1: Brian Flores was? No, No, nobody knows who any of 360 00:18:07,320 --> 00:18:10,880 Speaker 1: these guys, That's right, But the take ten pas when 361 00:18:10,880 --> 00:18:13,080 Speaker 1: he got promoted, and guys, I mean, people are like, 362 00:18:13,119 --> 00:18:14,880 Speaker 1: who are these people? But I tell you, I tell 363 00:18:14,880 --> 00:18:16,919 Speaker 1: you who does know? The people in the business, right 364 00:18:17,119 --> 00:18:19,160 Speaker 1: they know? And you said it earlier. They said ball 365 00:18:19,200 --> 00:18:21,760 Speaker 1: coach is the highest compliment I can pay a player. 366 00:18:21,880 --> 00:18:24,400 Speaker 1: Anytime I talk about one is to say he's a pro. 367 00:18:25,080 --> 00:18:27,000 Speaker 1: And I'm not talking about getting paid. Sure, I'm saying 368 00:18:27,000 --> 00:18:29,560 Speaker 1: he's a pro. The highest compliment I can pay somebody 369 00:18:29,560 --> 00:18:32,520 Speaker 1: that's teaching is he's a ball coach, which means that's 370 00:18:32,520 --> 00:18:35,520 Speaker 1: all he's about. And that's what Arthur Smith is and 371 00:18:35,720 --> 00:18:38,720 Speaker 1: that's what Mike Vrabel is. All right, let's turn to 372 00:18:39,000 --> 00:18:44,080 Speaker 1: Championship weekend. The two games both go to overtime. First 373 00:18:44,119 --> 00:18:47,639 Speaker 1: time that's ever happened in NFL history that the AFC 374 00:18:47,800 --> 00:18:50,760 Speaker 1: Championship Game in the NFC Championship Game go to overtime. 375 00:18:50,840 --> 00:18:56,760 Speaker 1: They are great football games between four worthy teams. It 376 00:18:56,960 --> 00:19:01,000 Speaker 1: is as good as the NFL has in terms of 377 00:19:01,040 --> 00:19:04,200 Speaker 1: putting on a show. It's Tom Brady, It's Drew Brees, 378 00:19:04,560 --> 00:19:08,440 Speaker 1: It's the youth in Jared Golf and Patrick Mahomes. It's 379 00:19:08,480 --> 00:19:12,480 Speaker 1: superstars on the outside at running back. I mean, if 380 00:19:12,520 --> 00:19:16,520 Speaker 1: if you're putting forth something special, trying to say this 381 00:19:16,600 --> 00:19:22,680 Speaker 1: is our product, it doesn't get any better than this. No. Well, 382 00:19:22,720 --> 00:19:24,600 Speaker 1: I mean you know what I think of the NFL. 383 00:19:24,680 --> 00:19:27,640 Speaker 1: I think the NFL is the pre eminent product in sports, 384 00:19:28,200 --> 00:19:31,200 Speaker 1: and I think you showed that yesterday. I haven't seen 385 00:19:31,280 --> 00:19:33,639 Speaker 1: the final TV numbers, but you can guess they're going 386 00:19:33,720 --> 00:19:36,600 Speaker 1: to be astronomical. For all those people a year ago 387 00:19:36,640 --> 00:19:38,600 Speaker 1: who were saying the NFL is on the way to 388 00:19:38,640 --> 00:19:46,440 Speaker 1: being dead, where are you now? But but I digress. Officiating, 389 00:19:47,680 --> 00:19:51,000 Speaker 1: We get a no call in the New Orleans Los 390 00:19:51,080 --> 00:19:57,200 Speaker 1: Angeles game that the league immediately admitted to the head 391 00:19:57,200 --> 00:20:01,119 Speaker 1: coach of the Saints, Sean Payton, Sean Payton, that was 392 00:20:01,160 --> 00:20:03,520 Speaker 1: a bad call. I mean, which they don't do. They 393 00:20:03,600 --> 00:20:07,199 Speaker 1: never admit, right, there's usually some committee or you know, 394 00:20:07,280 --> 00:20:10,760 Speaker 1: it's the man behind the ignore, the man behind the 395 00:20:10,840 --> 00:20:14,240 Speaker 1: mask speed. But that didn't happen they because it was 396 00:20:14,359 --> 00:20:18,280 Speaker 1: obvious if you had been watching a middle school football 397 00:20:18,320 --> 00:20:22,040 Speaker 1: game and you had seen that play to anybody who 398 00:20:22,080 --> 00:20:25,439 Speaker 1: follows the game, that's past interference. The league acknowledges it. 399 00:20:26,119 --> 00:20:28,800 Speaker 1: So I want to ask you, Coach Mac taking away 400 00:20:29,720 --> 00:20:33,560 Speaker 1: the emotion of it, taking away it costs the Saints 401 00:20:33,560 --> 00:20:37,280 Speaker 1: a trip to the Super Bowl, potentially maybe totally the 402 00:20:37,680 --> 00:20:40,680 Speaker 1: bottom line as it comes up on a video monitor, 403 00:20:40,720 --> 00:20:44,800 Speaker 1: just as we talk about it. One no call has 404 00:20:44,920 --> 00:20:49,359 Speaker 1: taken the paint off of what was as beautiful a 405 00:20:49,400 --> 00:20:53,199 Speaker 1: house as the NFL could have built yesterday, totally stripped 406 00:20:53,200 --> 00:20:56,520 Speaker 1: it away, and we're talking about that instead of the 407 00:20:56,600 --> 00:21:02,159 Speaker 1: quality of two overtime games. What must the NFL do 408 00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:06,080 Speaker 1: to make sure that these things or to try to 409 00:21:06,160 --> 00:21:10,040 Speaker 1: keep these things from happening in the future as officiating 410 00:21:10,240 --> 00:21:13,679 Speaker 1: continues to be a major issue. First of all, I 411 00:21:13,720 --> 00:21:15,880 Speaker 1: love your analogy of the house and paint. That's beautiful 412 00:21:15,920 --> 00:21:19,840 Speaker 1: because look, I mean that's true, and we've done games 413 00:21:19,880 --> 00:21:24,560 Speaker 1: together now for two seasons and I have not been Look, 414 00:21:24,600 --> 00:21:26,040 Speaker 1: when I was a coach in this league, I couldn't 415 00:21:26,080 --> 00:21:28,320 Speaker 1: say anything about the fish eating. I can say what 416 00:21:28,440 --> 00:21:30,119 Speaker 1: I want to. Now you can't, and I do on 417 00:21:30,160 --> 00:21:32,840 Speaker 1: the air because it's it's it's some of it is 418 00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:37,520 Speaker 1: so egregious. This that we just saw. That non call 419 00:21:38,040 --> 00:21:41,680 Speaker 1: was malpractice. I mean that was malpractice. I mean, seriously, 420 00:21:41,840 --> 00:21:44,240 Speaker 1: if those guys would have been your surgeon, you'd been 421 00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:49,000 Speaker 1: dead on the operating table. I mean, because it's that bad. 422 00:21:49,359 --> 00:21:50,879 Speaker 1: I mean, that's what it meant. I mean it was 423 00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:53,199 Speaker 1: it was instant death for Sean Payton and the Saints. 424 00:21:53,480 --> 00:21:55,480 Speaker 1: I mean that was bad. Now. Was that the only 425 00:21:55,480 --> 00:21:57,359 Speaker 1: play in the game that made a different No, But 426 00:21:57,400 --> 00:22:00,360 Speaker 1: it was a big play at that moment in the game, 427 00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:03,480 Speaker 1: which was really should have been no doubt that. I mean, 428 00:22:03,520 --> 00:22:07,239 Speaker 1: And you had two officials standing right there, you know, 429 00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:10,280 Speaker 1: I mean two of them. It's not it's not the 430 00:22:10,320 --> 00:22:13,159 Speaker 1: referees call. It's a side judge and the and the 431 00:22:13,280 --> 00:22:16,280 Speaker 1: and the down judge. It's their call. And they both 432 00:22:16,520 --> 00:22:18,840 Speaker 1: swallowed the olive and looked at each other. And then 433 00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:22,400 Speaker 1: now as you said, that's the that's the narrative. Now look, 434 00:22:22,440 --> 00:22:24,720 Speaker 1: here's what you do. You either go back and you 435 00:22:24,760 --> 00:22:26,800 Speaker 1: bring all the money you can and get and get 436 00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:29,760 Speaker 1: Mike Pereira back to run this thing, or you get 437 00:22:29,840 --> 00:22:32,840 Speaker 1: Dean Blandino back. Because it starts at the top al 438 00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:36,600 Speaker 1: riveron not good. He's not good at running this department. 439 00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:40,440 Speaker 1: This department is rutderless right now, and you can see 440 00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:43,640 Speaker 1: it as it goes down through the ranks. What could 441 00:22:43,680 --> 00:22:45,960 Speaker 1: the head of officiating do better than it is? What 442 00:22:46,119 --> 00:22:48,240 Speaker 1: is being done now? Well, first of all, First of all, 443 00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:50,920 Speaker 1: when Mike Pereira was doing this, I was. I was 444 00:22:50,960 --> 00:22:53,399 Speaker 1: a coach, an assistant coach, and a head coach. In 445 00:22:53,480 --> 00:22:56,840 Speaker 1: Mike Pereira's time doing this, I always felt like that 446 00:22:56,880 --> 00:22:59,560 Speaker 1: you were always going to get an explanation. And plus 447 00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:02,679 Speaker 1: I felt like there was consistency within all of the 448 00:23:02,760 --> 00:23:05,959 Speaker 1: crews because guess what he did during the offseason. He 449 00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:09,640 Speaker 1: schooled those guys, had him together. He made sure all 450 00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:12,159 Speaker 1: of his officials were very fit. He made sure they 451 00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:14,399 Speaker 1: knew the rule book. I mean he was he was 452 00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:17,400 Speaker 1: spot on with what he did. Now, there was there 453 00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:20,320 Speaker 1: was a when Carl Johnson came in between he and 454 00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:24,040 Speaker 1: Dean Blandino. It wasn't good. I mean I lived through 455 00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:27,520 Speaker 1: that too. Dean Blandino was a maning Mike Pereira. He 456 00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:30,280 Speaker 1: was really good, but he could explain it and he 457 00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:32,800 Speaker 1: could keep in his and his I think his officials 458 00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:35,439 Speaker 1: below him had confidence in him. I'm not sure the 459 00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:40,160 Speaker 1: officials right now have confidence in anything. I think they're 460 00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:42,560 Speaker 1: gun shy with the with the way that the game 461 00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:45,439 Speaker 1: is called. I think they're gun shy with review, and 462 00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:47,840 Speaker 1: I think they're gun shy with the support they have 463 00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:50,480 Speaker 1: from leadership. And I think you've got so many new 464 00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:53,359 Speaker 1: officials they really don't know the game. Now, these were 465 00:23:53,359 --> 00:23:56,320 Speaker 1: two officials that shouldn't know the game. They should know 466 00:23:56,400 --> 00:23:58,720 Speaker 1: the game. They've been they've been in this league long enough. 467 00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:01,800 Speaker 1: I just think it's it starts at the top, and 468 00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:04,320 Speaker 1: it's it's a problem for this league. And I agree 469 00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:06,960 Speaker 1: with you one. I've spent over half my adult life 470 00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:09,920 Speaker 1: in the National Football League. This is the worst I've 471 00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:13,360 Speaker 1: ever seen it as far as confidence in an officiating department. 472 00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:18,560 Speaker 1: What do you do with those two officials? Gary Cavalletto 473 00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:21,560 Speaker 1: and Patrick Turner who did not make that call, which 474 00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:24,399 Speaker 1: was theirs, not the not the referee, it was theirs 475 00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:27,240 Speaker 1: to make. And I'm I'm not saying a Tony soprano 476 00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:32,600 Speaker 1: type answer, no, no, but I'm saying, realistically, they were 477 00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:35,920 Speaker 1: good enough to be chosen on a playoff crew, Mike, 478 00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:38,160 Speaker 1: they were. That's this is supposed to be the best group. 479 00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:41,040 Speaker 1: But are they all stars? Right? They're there? What do 480 00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:46,760 Speaker 1: you do without demeaning them personally? What do you what 481 00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:52,080 Speaker 1: do you do? Well? Look, if they were coaches or 482 00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:54,480 Speaker 1: they were players, what would you do? They'd be cut, 483 00:24:54,560 --> 00:24:57,439 Speaker 1: they'd be gone. Yea. I mean that's that's the bottom 484 00:24:57,480 --> 00:25:01,120 Speaker 1: line of this league. Look, I've I've interview for three 485 00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:03,000 Speaker 1: head jobs in this league. You know, I've been a 486 00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:05,240 Speaker 1: head coach. I've also been fired as a head coach 487 00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:09,080 Speaker 1: because guess why, I didn't win enough games? And this 488 00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:12,280 Speaker 1: league is about just like you and just like Amy, 489 00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:13,840 Speaker 1: all of us at work in this Look, it's a 490 00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:17,960 Speaker 1: production business. It's a production business. If you don't produce, 491 00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:21,440 Speaker 1: then you don't need to be around. Okay, and that 492 00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:24,880 Speaker 1: to me, that would send a big message. Okay, first 493 00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:28,080 Speaker 1: of all, now I think what they're afraid of is there. 494 00:25:28,119 --> 00:25:31,360 Speaker 1: I think they're having trouble finding the qualified officials anyway. Well, 495 00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:33,800 Speaker 1: you know something, coach, it's the problem. It's fascinating you 496 00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:36,359 Speaker 1: say that, Amy and I and you work with the 497 00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:40,000 Speaker 1: TSUBA in the state of Tennessee involved in high school football. 498 00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:41,840 Speaker 1: I think it's safe to say we all enjoy it 499 00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:46,480 Speaker 1: very much. They are having trouble in this state down 500 00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:49,119 Speaker 1: to the youth level, right, They're having a hard time 501 00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:53,360 Speaker 1: getting people to participate in being officials across sports at 502 00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:56,840 Speaker 1: the youngest level. Frankly, it's because parents aren't very nice 503 00:25:57,119 --> 00:25:59,880 Speaker 1: and people say, I'm getting paid ten bucks an hour 504 00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:03,920 Speaker 1: to do this, see you later. But that's where you 505 00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:06,800 Speaker 1: get people who learn how to do it, understand it, 506 00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:09,000 Speaker 1: think hey, I'm kind of good at this, and then 507 00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:11,720 Speaker 1: they start going through the steps to get right well 508 00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:14,760 Speaker 1: further and further and higher the high school of the progression. 509 00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:17,600 Speaker 1: You work small college, and then you get a chance 510 00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:20,480 Speaker 1: maybe to work a nonpower five, and then if you 511 00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:22,480 Speaker 1: get good enough, you get to work in the SEC 512 00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:25,880 Speaker 1: or the ACC or the big ten whatever, and then 513 00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:29,080 Speaker 1: you move up. And it was something that by all 514 00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:35,320 Speaker 1: rights totally Mike Pereira recruited some very good officials that 515 00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:38,719 Speaker 1: he was almost a nick Saban in terms of the 516 00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:42,040 Speaker 1: type of officials that he recruited. He brought in some 517 00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:44,880 Speaker 1: really good people at that time. And that is such 518 00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:46,840 Speaker 1: a great point. And people that haven't been in this 519 00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:49,600 Speaker 1: league and the inner workings of this league don't understand it. 520 00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:52,359 Speaker 1: You understand it. You track officials just like a coach 521 00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:54,879 Speaker 1: would you do. I've been with you and and and 522 00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:59,520 Speaker 1: that's important. But what you see Garrett Cavalletto, Garrett Cavalletto 523 00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:02,720 Speaker 1: came up through NFL Europe. He was an arena league official. 524 00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:06,000 Speaker 1: He had all that, he had all the background but 525 00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:10,479 Speaker 1: to make to make not a mistake, to make an 526 00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:14,480 Speaker 1: egregious non call, you know, and what you've got to be. 527 00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:17,680 Speaker 1: You almost felt like the moment was too big for him. Well, 528 00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:19,240 Speaker 1: how can it be too big for you if that's 529 00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:22,000 Speaker 1: what you've done all your life? And as you said this, 530 00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:24,879 Speaker 1: he was picked. These crews don't go as cruise to 531 00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:27,600 Speaker 1: these things. They're picked because of what they do, which 532 00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:32,000 Speaker 1: is another question. That's another question is they pick instead 533 00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:36,439 Speaker 1: of teams, and they work as groups of seven. Occasionally 534 00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:38,440 Speaker 1: a guy will take a week off, or they'll move 535 00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:41,719 Speaker 1: people in Cruise, but for the most part, for thirteen 536 00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:45,200 Speaker 1: or fourteen of the seventeen weeks that they work, they're 537 00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:49,240 Speaker 1: all together as seven. Instead, you get to the postseason 538 00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:51,760 Speaker 1: and you picked the best down judge, and you picked 539 00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:56,960 Speaker 1: the would you be better off stick picking Cruise and 540 00:27:57,040 --> 00:28:01,359 Speaker 1: maybe replacing one person if somebody has been particularly blow standard, 541 00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:05,800 Speaker 1: but more or less keeping that team of men and 542 00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:09,120 Speaker 1: women together. Let me tell you something, And there's there's 543 00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:11,560 Speaker 1: a point to that. I mean, to me, it's like this. 544 00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:15,000 Speaker 1: You've got a coaching staff that's gone all year and 545 00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:17,040 Speaker 1: they've gone together, and then you get you get to 546 00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:19,480 Speaker 1: the playoffs and you say, you know what, you've really 547 00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:21,119 Speaker 1: done a nice job with my tight ends. But this 548 00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:22,880 Speaker 1: guy over here, there's not in the playoffs. I think 549 00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:24,440 Speaker 1: he's a better tight end coach, and you why don't 550 00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:26,280 Speaker 1: I bring him in here for this week? You know? 551 00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:28,719 Speaker 1: To me, that's a that's a great point now. And 552 00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:30,880 Speaker 1: it used to be Mike. I've been in this league along. 553 00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:33,199 Speaker 1: It used to be by cruise. Okay, it used to 554 00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:35,880 Speaker 1: be by Cruise. But again, I still think it goes 555 00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:39,240 Speaker 1: to the top because I've experienced it. I've experienced it 556 00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:42,680 Speaker 1: with Mike Perera. I've experienced it with Dean Blandino, and 557 00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:46,000 Speaker 1: I'm watching and experiencing it now with what's going on, 558 00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:48,840 Speaker 1: and it is looks like they're rudderless. I mean, and 559 00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:51,800 Speaker 1: there's and the other thing is this not only that call. 560 00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:56,880 Speaker 1: That game was poorly officiated from the jump. It's jagged. 561 00:28:57,360 --> 00:28:59,800 Speaker 1: Calls in this league now are jagged. It's not a 562 00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:03,280 Speaker 1: smooth operation. Crew to crew to crew. You know it, 563 00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:05,320 Speaker 1: and I know it. We all three before games. We 564 00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:07,880 Speaker 1: always study you bring it to us. We study what 565 00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:09,920 Speaker 1: they've called what is going to be you know, and 566 00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:12,800 Speaker 1: you can you can nearly predict, say, Okay, this week, 567 00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:14,520 Speaker 1: we're going to be able to play pretty tight man 568 00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:17,000 Speaker 1: to man because this crew doesn't call this, But next 569 00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:21,840 Speaker 1: week they call all types of illegal contact. They call 570 00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:25,280 Speaker 1: it's it's not uniform. And that's what's killing the league 571 00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:28,160 Speaker 1: right now, because it kills confidence in the league. Here's 572 00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:31,680 Speaker 1: what seems to be my issue, and this is on 573 00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:34,160 Speaker 1: a much broader scale. This isn't just the playoffs. This 574 00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:37,000 Speaker 1: is with officiating in the National Football League right now. 575 00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:41,400 Speaker 1: Every year at owners meetings, there are two main topics 576 00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:45,080 Speaker 1: of conversation. How do we improve officiating? How do we 577 00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:48,400 Speaker 1: make the game faster, And they for a long time 578 00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:51,400 Speaker 1: seem to be kind of parallel ideas. They didn't really 579 00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:54,120 Speaker 1: interact with each other. We can make the game faster, 580 00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:57,760 Speaker 1: we can improve officiating. These are two separate things. We've 581 00:29:57,760 --> 00:30:00,040 Speaker 1: gotten to the point now where they're starting to a 582 00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:03,440 Speaker 1: sacked and you're starting to take some things away from 583 00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:06,200 Speaker 1: officiating or change the way that you do officiating to 584 00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:09,880 Speaker 1: make it faster, to make it more efficient, because you're 585 00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:12,959 Speaker 1: trying to make the game shorter, and you're trying to 586 00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:17,160 Speaker 1: increase viewership and take away from the amount of dead 587 00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:19,360 Speaker 1: time which can make football hold to watch. I get 588 00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:21,920 Speaker 1: all of those things. The problem is they're starting to 589 00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:24,760 Speaker 1: impact each other. So we've reached a point in my 590 00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:28,000 Speaker 1: mind where we have to decide, Okay, are we going 591 00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:32,960 Speaker 1: to change some things about officiating with the knowledge that 592 00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:36,440 Speaker 1: this might make a game ten minutes longer, eight minutes longer, 593 00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:39,560 Speaker 1: or do we want to continue to shave things off 594 00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:42,480 Speaker 1: and try to do more things that are happening away 595 00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:45,240 Speaker 1: from the field in New York that kind of thing, 596 00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:48,680 Speaker 1: use more technology instead of relying on the eyes that 597 00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:53,040 Speaker 1: are there on the field, and keep this game shorter. 598 00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:55,040 Speaker 1: But know that there's going to be things like this 599 00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:57,440 Speaker 1: that happen. I think a choice has to be made 600 00:30:57,760 --> 00:31:01,400 Speaker 1: about what direction and what over ching goal they want 601 00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:04,720 Speaker 1: to pursue, because you can't do put both independently anymore. 602 00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:07,080 Speaker 1: Is that the best point of this edition of the 603 00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:09,400 Speaker 1: OTP so I think I think that is that is 604 00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:13,080 Speaker 1: so good and it's so insightful, and it's so right 605 00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:17,520 Speaker 1: because these guys have become paranoid now because of all 606 00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:20,520 Speaker 1: the replay and if you're going to do that then 607 00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:25,880 Speaker 1: and guys, as we sit here today after this owner's meeting, 608 00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:30,560 Speaker 1: Sean Payton sitting on this Competition committee, the review is 609 00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:33,920 Speaker 1: going to be expanded in this league. It's the review 610 00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:36,080 Speaker 1: is going to be expanded, all right. Let me ask 611 00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:42,000 Speaker 1: you this. Bill Belichick has said that every call should 612 00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:44,640 Speaker 1: be open to review, and he gotting to hang on, 613 00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:48,360 Speaker 1: hang on makes me tired. He got he got laughed at. 614 00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:51,240 Speaker 1: People made fun of him. They said he was mocking 615 00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:54,480 Speaker 1: the system. But he he said, I'm not saying we 616 00:31:54,680 --> 00:32:00,000 Speaker 1: expand the number of challenges. He said, I'm saying every 617 00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:07,440 Speaker 1: everything that happens in the game should be reviewable. Dave McGuinn, 618 00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:10,560 Speaker 1: I'm gonna give you a chance to Amy's already said no, 619 00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:14,719 Speaker 1: worst poker face in America. Amy, Well, you don't have 620 00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:19,600 Speaker 1: her not do when when you're playing bridge gin or 621 00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:23,920 Speaker 1: bridge for money? Yeah, Amy can't be your Okay, it's 622 00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:28,719 Speaker 1: it's inside out. Do they do what Belichick says and 623 00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:34,880 Speaker 1: expand replay to where everything is reviewable now? Or do 624 00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:38,360 Speaker 1: they at least think about making everything reviewable in the 625 00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:42,200 Speaker 1: last two minutes when New York totally has the button, 626 00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:46,479 Speaker 1: who do you want to go first? I think I 627 00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:49,640 Speaker 1: think they make them all reviewable. And here's the reason 628 00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:54,440 Speaker 1: right now the game is it's lengthened. Anyway. Look, we 629 00:32:54,520 --> 00:33:01,000 Speaker 1: just went through with Sean Hockley US personally this year. Correct, Yes, correct, 630 00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:03,280 Speaker 1: I mean it was it was correct, right, I mean 631 00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:05,000 Speaker 1: we went we went through it. I mean as to 632 00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:08,440 Speaker 1: where every stuff look and you the way technology is 633 00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:10,480 Speaker 1: right now, how hard would it be to buzz down 634 00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:14,840 Speaker 1: and say, hey, Bill Vanovitch, your guys missed that one. 635 00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:18,760 Speaker 1: Look at it. Look at it. They missed that one. 636 00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:21,640 Speaker 1: And I don't think it's just the last two minutes. 637 00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:24,160 Speaker 1: That play could have happened in the first quarter of 638 00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:28,640 Speaker 1: the game. Sure, I'm with Belichick. I am leaning with Belichick, 639 00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:32,080 Speaker 1: Have you become that one? I become that one. Okay, 640 00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:34,560 Speaker 1: I've become that way because of the ineptness of what's 641 00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:37,880 Speaker 1: going on right now, and this impacts lives. I mean, look, 642 00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:40,560 Speaker 1: Charles Woodson, Charles Woodson said it so great. He said, 643 00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:42,120 Speaker 1: people have told me for years to get over the 644 00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:45,959 Speaker 1: tuck rule. Guess when you get over that never never? Okay, 645 00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:48,760 Speaker 1: guess when the people in New Orleans are going to 646 00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:53,000 Speaker 1: get over this never. I mean, this is a never deal, okay, 647 00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:55,960 Speaker 1: So why not why not shorten the fact that you 648 00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:58,560 Speaker 1: could make a mistake and they made a huge mistake 649 00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:01,000 Speaker 1: right there, and with the way things are looking now, 650 00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:03,360 Speaker 1: I mean, how about the muff call in the other game, 651 00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:07,640 Speaker 1: you know, seeing that ball touch? So go Amy. Well see, 652 00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:10,840 Speaker 1: now my initial response was absolutely not, that's insane. We 653 00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:14,319 Speaker 1: heard that. The more the more I think about it, 654 00:34:14,640 --> 00:34:17,200 Speaker 1: and the more I think about what other options we 655 00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:20,680 Speaker 1: could possibly have, it makes a lot of sense. I 656 00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:24,279 Speaker 1: can see where Belichick is coming from and saying that 657 00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:27,360 Speaker 1: this is a way to minimize some of those mistakes 658 00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:29,880 Speaker 1: and the amount of time with which people have to 659 00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:35,560 Speaker 1: live with those mistakes. So from that standpoint, I'm on board. Initially, 660 00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:40,480 Speaker 1: I was kind of into the New York being super involved. 661 00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:42,799 Speaker 1: And what was it two years ago at owners meetings 662 00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:44,680 Speaker 1: when they made that announcement that they were going to 663 00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:46,480 Speaker 1: take a lot of things to New York, to the 664 00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:48,680 Speaker 1: league office, they were going to have a staff of 665 00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:51,560 Speaker 1: people watching all the games. It felt like a second 666 00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:54,080 Speaker 1: set of eyes. It was going to be great. After 667 00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:58,279 Speaker 1: that press conference, there's another press conference where Dean Blandino says, Oh, 668 00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:02,040 Speaker 1: by the way, I'm out, see you guys later. So 669 00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:07,040 Speaker 1: with the current upper management that we have, it seems 670 00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:09,640 Speaker 1: like they took on a lot of stuff that's all 671 00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:13,279 Speaker 1: brand new, and the one guy who came up with 672 00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:15,799 Speaker 1: the idea, who everyone kind of trusted to run it, 673 00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:20,480 Speaker 1: he's gone. So how do we bring someone like that back? 674 00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:23,120 Speaker 1: And if we want all of the onus to be 675 00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:25,760 Speaker 1: put on New York and give them so much control 676 00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:30,959 Speaker 1: over the games and what's happening in the officiating, let's 677 00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:33,359 Speaker 1: get someone in there who's not overwhelmed by that job, 678 00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:37,000 Speaker 1: you know, and let's pay him. You know what I mean, 679 00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:41,040 Speaker 1: that's because what right, sure, I mean, let's let's face it, 680 00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:43,480 Speaker 1: that's got to be I mean, that's a headache job. 681 00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:47,359 Speaker 1: You gotta be making some dough, no, and so pay 682 00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:50,360 Speaker 1: pay him double. I mean, we listen, the NFL ain't broke. 683 00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:53,200 Speaker 1: And I'm not saying you should throw money at everything, 684 00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:55,360 Speaker 1: that you should give money away like some people. And 685 00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:58,520 Speaker 1: I'm not trying to spend everybody's money, but this role 686 00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:02,040 Speaker 1: is so important. Let's you get what you pay for 687 00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:04,480 Speaker 1: in life. And you know what, Mike, and that's I mean, 688 00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:06,439 Speaker 1: that's what I was going to say, because that's why 689 00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:09,759 Speaker 1: he left because all the responsibilities he had, he wasn't 690 00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:13,040 Speaker 1: being compensated for those responsibilities, and I think he was 691 00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:16,399 Speaker 1: willing to take on the responsibilities. That's why Mike Prayer left, 692 00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:20,000 Speaker 1: you know. I mean because and the technologies that we 693 00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:22,560 Speaker 1: have now is way different than from what we used 694 00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:25,920 Speaker 1: to have before, even when Bill Belichick started, you know, 695 00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:29,080 Speaker 1: promoting this. The technology that we have now, I mean, 696 00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:31,520 Speaker 1: let's get it. Because I was at a big watch 697 00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:33,880 Speaker 1: party with these two games, a lot of different people 698 00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:36,600 Speaker 1: and a lot of different football acumen from people that 699 00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:39,080 Speaker 1: understood ball to some people that didn't know whether it 700 00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:43,480 Speaker 1: was pumped or stuffed. Okay, and so but the food 701 00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:46,200 Speaker 1: was good, No, the food was outstanding. But I'm saying 702 00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:48,960 Speaker 1: when that happened, even the people that didn't know whether 703 00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:51,440 Speaker 1: it's pumped or stuffed. Look at me when coaches that okay, 704 00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:56,080 Speaker 1: I went, no, that's exactly. It didn't look right. It's 705 00:36:56,120 --> 00:36:59,880 Speaker 1: not so why not And all the technology you have 706 00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:02,080 Speaker 1: now if it's going back, it used to never go 707 00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:04,839 Speaker 1: back to New York, right and I first started New York. 708 00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:06,319 Speaker 1: I mean they'd have to give a phone and doll 709 00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:08,560 Speaker 1: a rotary number, you know, to get getting to take. 710 00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:12,400 Speaker 1: Now it's instantaneous. We got to do something because the 711 00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:15,279 Speaker 1: effect this is a great product that we have, it's 712 00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:20,160 Speaker 1: a great game. The technical aspects of managing a game 713 00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:23,600 Speaker 1: from the officiaiding department right now are is not consistent. 714 00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:28,719 Speaker 1: And with that non consistency brings issues. When I got 715 00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:32,560 Speaker 1: to the league is exactly when replay hit the exact 716 00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:34,919 Speaker 1: time I came, and I didn't know how I felt 717 00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:37,000 Speaker 1: about it at the time until Phil Luckett made sure 718 00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:39,200 Speaker 1: the Music City Miracle was good. Then I was really poor. 719 00:37:40,719 --> 00:37:44,400 Speaker 1: But good point, but in all seriousness, good point. The 720 00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:48,000 Speaker 1: way I became for replay was because the man for 721 00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:52,719 Speaker 1: whom I worked, who signed my check, Bud Adams, the 722 00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:56,680 Speaker 1: late great owner and founder of our franchise said it 723 00:37:56,840 --> 00:38:01,920 Speaker 1: better than anybody about replay. He said, if you could 724 00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:06,920 Speaker 1: make it right, why wouldn't you? Yeah, And it was 725 00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:10,840 Speaker 1: kind of like, well, that's because I really was. You know, 726 00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:13,560 Speaker 1: I'm a traditionalist and you know, you know, and I 727 00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:15,840 Speaker 1: like to throw all those words around like I, you know, 728 00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:19,279 Speaker 1: knew more than everybody. But but the truth was, I 729 00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:21,640 Speaker 1: wasn't sure that I thought that was great for the game, 730 00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:23,799 Speaker 1: that they were going to be able to go out 731 00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:26,640 Speaker 1: and and they had done it earlier. People forget, you're 732 00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:28,960 Speaker 1: not old enough to remember. Amy coach remembers they had 733 00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:31,200 Speaker 1: done replay earlier and it was kind of a disaster. 734 00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:34,480 Speaker 1: It was not as well done as it was in 735 00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:37,960 Speaker 1: the late nineties into the early two thousands. So this 736 00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:41,200 Speaker 1: was clearly better. But mister Adams point, I just thought 737 00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:43,239 Speaker 1: it was dead on. If you can make it right, 738 00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:50,600 Speaker 1: why wouldn't you, Amy, I agree, and let's make this right. Well, 739 00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:52,560 Speaker 1: that's that's what I say. Though all of us are 740 00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:55,200 Speaker 1: sitting here talking just like everybody you know, hopefully that's 741 00:38:55,239 --> 00:38:57,839 Speaker 1: listening to us has some interest in football. They do, 742 00:38:58,040 --> 00:39:00,520 Speaker 1: or they wouldn't be listening to this. You want it right, 743 00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:04,360 Speaker 1: you want it correct, because it's you work too hard 744 00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:07,759 Speaker 1: for those three hours plus whatever it is, get it right. 745 00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:12,400 Speaker 1: And again we all feel bad because we're involved in 746 00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:14,879 Speaker 1: it and we watched it and saw it. Think, just think, 747 00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:17,040 Speaker 1: just put yourselves, all three of us, right now, and 748 00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:19,440 Speaker 1: you know how hard we work from training camp on 749 00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:21,719 Speaker 1: to get to this point. How hard did all the 750 00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:26,120 Speaker 1: Saints people work to get to that point? And now 751 00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:28,440 Speaker 1: they're never going to feel that. I mean, you never 752 00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:31,000 Speaker 1: get over that. And that was something you could have 753 00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:34,560 Speaker 1: made right, real quick, real quick, with a buzz down 754 00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:37,919 Speaker 1: and say, Bill, your guys missed something. Take a look 755 00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:39,840 Speaker 1: at it. It's all you had to do. And you 756 00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:43,120 Speaker 1: don't need full time officials for that. And I think 757 00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:45,640 Speaker 1: we have twenty three full time official. I don't think 758 00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:49,840 Speaker 1: that's the answer, and we don't necessarily need an extra official, 759 00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:52,319 Speaker 1: although we could certainly debate whether or not that would 760 00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:56,000 Speaker 1: be a good thing. This is just about expanding the 761 00:39:56,040 --> 00:40:00,480 Speaker 1: scope of replay in this way. I love the official 762 00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:03,600 Speaker 1: for this reason. I think the umpire back behind the 763 00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:06,920 Speaker 1: defense gets so many more see so many more things. 764 00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:10,279 Speaker 1: I mean, you just unless you've ever experienced it, you know, 765 00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:12,480 Speaker 1: and you've experienced you want to put the umpire back 766 00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:14,520 Speaker 1: where he is. I want I want to make the 767 00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:17,319 Speaker 1: eighth official there. I mean, and you can get younger 768 00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:18,840 Speaker 1: guys that can get out of the way, and I 769 00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:20,880 Speaker 1: mean you can live through it. They live through it 770 00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:22,960 Speaker 1: for a lot of years. But the things that they 771 00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:25,160 Speaker 1: miss and you know it as well as I but 772 00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:27,319 Speaker 1: you're right, Amy, you know it too. The things that 773 00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:29,759 Speaker 1: they miss from where they're sitting, you can't see that 774 00:40:30,080 --> 00:40:32,319 Speaker 1: and you don't have that. So the the I mean, 775 00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:34,160 Speaker 1: I don't want to get into the minute of who's 776 00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:36,040 Speaker 1: got what call and what position you go to when 777 00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:39,400 Speaker 1: the ball snapped, but it's you missed that guy. But 778 00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:44,359 Speaker 1: to the point, it's easy now to have somebody watching. Okay, look, 779 00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:47,560 Speaker 1: the three of us have never I've never officiated a 780 00:40:47,600 --> 00:40:50,080 Speaker 1: game in my life, have either one of you guys. 781 00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:53,799 Speaker 1: I was a baseball umpire, got dune count okay, now, 782 00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:59,799 Speaker 1: I've never done anything. I have officiated basketball before tune Okay, well, 783 00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:04,520 Speaker 1: long long ago. I was not good at either one. 784 00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:06,480 Speaker 1: But you would be good at it. It's hard. I mean, 785 00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:09,600 Speaker 1: you would be good at this. And I think you 786 00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:12,959 Speaker 1: could sit up there and watch a monitor and watch 787 00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:15,879 Speaker 1: a game with a buzzer that you'd say buzz down 788 00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:21,920 Speaker 1: and say that was past interference, or if Andy Reid 789 00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:24,480 Speaker 1: wanted to throw his flag or Sean Payton wanted to 790 00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:26,920 Speaker 1: throw his flag and say that was past interference. Again, 791 00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:31,120 Speaker 1: two reviews don't change the number of challenges that they have. 792 00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:34,200 Speaker 1: Three if they get the first two right, don't change it. 793 00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:37,560 Speaker 1: Don't change you know, because people people think whenever you 794 00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:41,400 Speaker 1: say this that we're going to be reviewing every single play. 795 00:41:41,560 --> 00:41:44,440 Speaker 1: You can't. You can't let that happen, right, but you 796 00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:47,200 Speaker 1: let the if Sean Payton had a flag right there, 797 00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:49,399 Speaker 1: or if that were New York's call, as it would 798 00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:52,400 Speaker 1: have been inside two minutes, that wouldn't have taken any time. 799 00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:56,319 Speaker 1: That doesn't That doesn't. Again, I'm not four given the 800 00:41:56,360 --> 00:42:02,400 Speaker 1: coaches eight challenges, and anytime somebody he talks about expanding replay, 801 00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:07,480 Speaker 1: they think that means expanding the number of challenges, right, Mike, 802 00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:11,560 Speaker 1: You're so right, And I mean it's not expanding challenges, 803 00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:14,640 Speaker 1: it's making the plays reviewable. Right if you think it's 804 00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:17,160 Speaker 1: worth it, if you think it's worth it to throw 805 00:42:17,200 --> 00:42:20,879 Speaker 1: your flag, then and that was worth it, right, right, 806 00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:23,080 Speaker 1: I mean it was worth it for a whole franchise well, 807 00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:27,600 Speaker 1: what if d Ford had not been offside in the 808 00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:30,160 Speaker 1: New England game? What if New York? What if it 809 00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:31,960 Speaker 1: had been determined now he was I mean, I don't 810 00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:33,839 Speaker 1: know what he was doing, but he was lined up 811 00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:37,200 Speaker 1: like in the backfield. Can you stop? But can you 812 00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:39,319 Speaker 1: stop just a minute on that? And because I've got 813 00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:41,279 Speaker 1: a point on that too, did you see where the 814 00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:43,640 Speaker 1: left tackle was lined up? I mean, the left tackle 815 00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:45,840 Speaker 1: is backed up like a kick starting to motorcide he 816 00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:48,800 Speaker 1: was playing. I mean, he's got that leg cock back. 817 00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:50,879 Speaker 1: He was lined he was lined up on the wing 818 00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:52,480 Speaker 1: back if he wouldn't line up on the ball. So 819 00:42:52,680 --> 00:42:57,279 Speaker 1: that's another complace. That's another conversation. But let's say that 820 00:42:57,520 --> 00:43:00,279 Speaker 1: there was that New York saw that he wasn't lined 821 00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:04,280 Speaker 1: up offside, that they from replay they could see clearly 822 00:43:04,360 --> 00:43:07,560 Speaker 1: he was not, and then suddenly that could have turned 823 00:43:07,640 --> 00:43:10,760 Speaker 1: that game. That's a hypothetical, but it's true. But it's true. 824 00:43:11,120 --> 00:43:14,680 Speaker 1: And how badly would everybody have felt if the TV 825 00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:18,640 Speaker 1: commentators had been going, wait a minute, he's lined up 826 00:43:18,680 --> 00:43:21,719 Speaker 1: just fine, right, What was this guy seeing? Because he 827 00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:25,279 Speaker 1: saw the tackle lined up back so far, he assumed 828 00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:30,000 Speaker 1: that the defensive end was offside, and yet he wasn't theoretically, hypothetically, 829 00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:31,640 Speaker 1: whatever you want to call it, I get it, but 830 00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:35,279 Speaker 1: get you. I think that should be why not if 831 00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:37,880 Speaker 1: you can make it right, why wouldn't you if you 832 00:43:38,040 --> 00:43:40,319 Speaker 1: and I think your point to that phrase, if you 833 00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:44,160 Speaker 1: can make it right, why wouldn't you, Bud Adams, I'll 834 00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:46,919 Speaker 1: tell you what. I'm glad that this happened to a 835 00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:49,719 Speaker 1: different team and we're able to have this calm, cool 836 00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:52,680 Speaker 1: discussion about it, because if something like that had happened 837 00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:56,680 Speaker 1: to the Titans in the AFC playoffs, the championship game, 838 00:43:57,160 --> 00:44:00,279 Speaker 1: I would want that official in jail. Well, I mean, like, 839 00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:02,760 Speaker 1: have you seen the Times pickyune today in New Orleans. 840 00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:07,680 Speaker 1: I think the headline was blank blank blank the word 841 00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:11,600 Speaker 1: blank blank blank three times. I'm shocked, And I said, 842 00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:14,600 Speaker 1: this is just this morning on a radio show I 843 00:44:14,719 --> 00:44:20,840 Speaker 1: was on. I'm surprised that the Bourbon Street isn't in flames. 844 00:44:21,560 --> 00:44:26,520 Speaker 1: I mean it might. I mean that to me is 845 00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:31,600 Speaker 1: it's so. But again not because it was a judgment. 846 00:44:31,719 --> 00:44:35,160 Speaker 1: It was so egregious of not doing your job right. 847 00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:39,200 Speaker 1: That's the problem. Well, even the player who interfered when 848 00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:42,520 Speaker 1: was not called said he interfered because he was whipped. 849 00:44:43,080 --> 00:44:46,120 Speaker 1: He covered the wrong guy. Yeah, and but he he 850 00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:50,799 Speaker 1: body Coleman did the right thing. He did the right thing. 851 00:44:50,840 --> 00:44:53,440 Speaker 1: He did what you coach defensive players to do, which is, 852 00:44:53,600 --> 00:44:57,720 Speaker 1: if you're beaten, Okay, tackle the guy, take the spot 853 00:44:57,760 --> 00:45:00,839 Speaker 1: foul and give us another chance to play. Don't give 854 00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:04,560 Speaker 1: up the touchdown. Okay. That he did what he's coached 855 00:45:04,600 --> 00:45:09,160 Speaker 1: to do. Okay, he knew he was interfering. He knew, 856 00:45:09,320 --> 00:45:11,920 Speaker 1: he knew in his mind. I'm beat. First of all, 857 00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:14,480 Speaker 1: I dropped my coverage. I'm covering the wrong guy on 858 00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:16,680 Speaker 1: that split release if you want to get into that. 859 00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:19,359 Speaker 1: But he's covering the wrong dude, all right, But now 860 00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:21,719 Speaker 1: I'm beat, so I'm gonna tackle him and at least 861 00:45:21,719 --> 00:45:23,400 Speaker 1: we get another chance to play. I don't give up 862 00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:29,640 Speaker 1: the touchdown here. Dave McGinnis, you were the perfect OTP guest. No, 863 00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:31,799 Speaker 1: it's always perfect for me to be here with you two. Oh, 864 00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:35,640 Speaker 1: this is fun. Yeah, travel safe, guys. I'm on the 865 00:45:35,640 --> 00:45:38,560 Speaker 1: way to Mobile. Amy Wells will be going to Orlando 866 00:45:38,719 --> 00:45:40,640 Speaker 1: later in the week, and there is going to be 867 00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:44,719 Speaker 1: a lot to come from all of the developments. Arthur 868 00:45:44,760 --> 00:45:47,680 Speaker 1: Smith is the Titans new offensive coordinator, and there will 869 00:45:47,719 --> 00:45:49,440 Speaker 1: certainly be a lot of news and a lot of 870 00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:53,160 Speaker 1: talk about that football season never ends anymore. You know what. 871 00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:55,400 Speaker 1: Somebody asked me the other day when I was downtown, 872 00:45:55,480 --> 00:45:58,400 Speaker 1: what do you do during the off season? And I said, 873 00:45:58,520 --> 00:46:01,879 Speaker 1: you know, that's really not a real thing, right. There's 874 00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:04,640 Speaker 1: times when games aren't being played, but there's never an 875 00:46:04,640 --> 00:46:09,480 Speaker 1: off season, right. It's really great. Here we go. It's 876 00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:11,520 Speaker 1: the greatest thing in the whole world, and here we go. 877 00:46:11,600 --> 00:46:14,719 Speaker 1: Thanks to Brian Myers for his extra effort on this 878 00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:17,440 Speaker 1: holiday to make it happen. Thank you to Dave McGinnis, 879 00:46:17,719 --> 00:46:21,680 Speaker 1: Aby Wells, great job as usual. Thank you immobile. I'm 880 00:46:21,719 --> 00:46:23,919 Speaker 1: Mike Keith and you're listening to the op