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Speaker 3: With US will have a draft review of all the picks.
Speaker 2: He's been watching film deep into the film room, digging
Speaker 2: deep on these nine Jaguars draft picks, including Travis Hunter.
Speaker 2: You might have heard of him. He'll play both ways
Speaker 2: for the Jaguars. The impact he has already made on
Speaker 2: the Jaguars organization and he's barely stepped foot on campus.
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Speaker 2: J P. Shadrick with the aforementioned Jeff Lagaman, good afternoon,
Speaker 2: good afternoon, it's up. It's all good man. What one
Speaker 2: week after yeah, exactly one week Yeah at what an
Speaker 2: exciting night that was. I mean it was pretty incredible
Speaker 2: and h and I hope I didn't make anybody nervous
Speaker 2: because when we had BISSELLI on, he said what do
Speaker 2: you guys want to do? And you said jenty, and
Speaker 2: I said, trade up and get Travis Hunter.
Speaker 3: Because I said Jenny, I was like, okay.
Speaker 2: The Hunter's not going to be there, and well they
Speaker 2: trade up, you know, right, So that's why I picked Jenny. Sure, no,
Speaker 2: I mean until I get it. But you just said it.
Speaker 2: I said it, but I didn't know it. So people
Speaker 2: were like wondering, I mean, did you know? And I'm like, no,
Speaker 2: I had no idea. I need to go back and
Speaker 2: watch Facili's reacting reaction. I don't know.
Speaker 3: I don't remember what it was.
Speaker 2: To be honest with you, probably a little bit of
Speaker 2: a little bit of a subtle surprised look. Probably, I
Speaker 2: bet if you if you looked real close, there's probably
Speaker 2: a video evidence. Well, and then the crazy thing is
Speaker 2: is that you know we were kind of all hanging around.
Speaker 2: And then I can't remember who, which NFL scoop guy
Speaker 2: has it, schefter or whoever says, you know, there's talk
Speaker 2: of a trade maybe happened between the Cleveland Browns and
Speaker 2: the Jacksonville Jaguars. And I said, to your kidding me?
Speaker 2: And sure enough we went to Brian Sext and Brian
Speaker 2: Sexton in Green Bay said he was here in whispers
Speaker 2: at the draft and we're like, oh, here we go.
Speaker 2: So when all of a sudden, the Tennessee Titans on
Speaker 2: the clock, Me and Frank Franz you'd do on the show,
Speaker 2: and Frank's talking about, you know, the draft and the Titans.
Speaker 2: I was like, look, you know, let's make sure people
Speaker 2: are aware. Don't go get a beer or go get
Speaker 2: a sandwich, because when the Tennessee Titans are done here,
Speaker 2: the Jaguars could be on the clock if this trade
Speaker 2: does in fact go through. And sure enough it did.
Speaker 2: It was exciting. It's fascinating to hear the aftermath. You know,
Speaker 2: Mike Silver was here from the Athletic New York Times,
Speaker 2: longtime national writer in the NFL, and he was entrenched
Speaker 2: in the draft room. Oh yeah, all weekend including that,
Speaker 2: and had the story that night of the trade and
Speaker 2: everything that went into it, and from his article, basically
Speaker 2: they had the general deal in place seventeen days before
Speaker 2: the draft, that nobody let it out, which is amazing.
Speaker 2: It's this day and age, that's that not delete. That's
Speaker 2: truly amazing, and it all hinged. And I'm the Titan.
Speaker 2: I wonder how many people actually knew about that. I
Speaker 2: bet you know what I mean exactly, because I mean,
Speaker 2: if you're talking about seventeen days, I mean there's you know,
Speaker 2: if you're a new general manager, and look, I'm not
Speaker 2: trying to make any accusations, but when you come into
Speaker 2: a building with a regime that's been in place for
Speaker 2: a while, I mean, look, there's a handful of people
Speaker 2: that you're willing to trust, and so you want to
Speaker 2: make sure that there's only a few ears that actually
Speaker 2: know of what your plans are. And so I mean
Speaker 2: give credit to two organizations, one James Gladstone and the
Speaker 2: Jacksonville Jaguars for keeping it quiet, and then also the
Speaker 2: Cleveland Browns also as well. So and look, I can
Speaker 2: tell you this, Travis Hunter, if you're a fisherman, be
Speaker 2: glad you're not going to Cleveland and be extremely excited
Speaker 2: that you're I'm in too, Jacksonville, because you have found
Speaker 2: an off season of paradise. Apparently it all hinged on
Speaker 2: the Titans and when they confirmed they were making a
Speaker 2: pick at one and not trading out pretty much was
Speaker 2: going to be the quarterback, and that they were not
Speaker 2: selecting Travis himself. If there was going to be a
Speaker 2: trade there, then all of a sudden, cam Ward could
Speaker 2: have fallen into two, the Browns would have taken him
Speaker 2: there and the deal would have been off. So right,
Speaker 2: the deal is in and Travis Hunter is in as well. Well,
Speaker 2: we're gonna go through all the picks tonight, logs. We've
Speaker 2: got a whole hour to do this. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean the number one story, of course, really a
Speaker 2: lot of ways in this draft was Travis Hunter. He's
Speaker 2: number one in Jersey sales of rookies so far since
Speaker 2: the draft. By the way, I think that's changed now.
Speaker 2: I think Sanders has surpassed him.
Speaker 3: Now, Okay, there's no guarantee shoot makes it.
Speaker 2: By the way, No, No, I mean it's that's a
Speaker 2: whole other topic right there. Legendary. Yes, I'm gonna start
Speaker 2: dropping that word at the end of everything that I
Speaker 2: from now.
Speaker 3: On surprised he coming with JP.
Speaker 2: How about you know da da da legendary. Yeah, what'll
Speaker 2: be doing? I don't know, man, But Travis Hunter, Hey,
Speaker 2: they're gonna let him play both ways, try it out
Speaker 2: wide receiver and then put him in at dB some
Speaker 2: see how it goes this off season and then reassessed.
Speaker 2: They've got a full plan in place from meeting times
Speaker 2: and schedule and practice and all these things, but it's fluid,
Speaker 2: and I think it has to be. And so the
Speaker 2: one thing I appreciate, first of all, I think James
Speaker 2: Gladstone is a very smart man. Let me just get
Speaker 2: that out of the way. But to go into this
Speaker 2: and some of the things that he said, I mean,
Speaker 2: he put some lofty expectations out there on Travis, which
Speaker 2: you know understandably, so I mean, they have a very
Speaker 2: high belief in him. But I give him credit to
Speaker 2: because he said that, you know, we have a plan
Speaker 2: in place, but he's not so arrogant to say that
Speaker 2: we know everything. And what I loved is that he said,
Speaker 2: you know, but it's fluid because this is ever been
Speaker 2: done before. And let's get him in the building. Let's
Speaker 2: kind of see how things go and then you adjust accordingly.
Speaker 2: And I've just thought that that was it was very
Speaker 2: smart to say that, because you know, at the end
Speaker 2: of the day, you're not sure yet. Nobody's ever done this,
Speaker 2: You've never been around him, you don't know the makeup,
Speaker 2: you don't know the physical demands of you know, for
Speaker 2: a professional athlete versus college it's it's different. So that
Speaker 2: part of it I respected highly.
Speaker 3: Let's go through each side of the ball.
Speaker 2: I know you've dug it on tape on Travis Hunter
Speaker 2: over the last week or so, especially, Let's start on offense,
Speaker 2: where he will really kind of begin the bulk of
Speaker 2: his time and what stands out the most to you
Speaker 2: when you go back and into the film room and
Speaker 2: watch Travis Hunter on the offensive side of the ball.
Speaker 2: I said this to James when we had him on
Speaker 2: our radio show the night of the draft, and was
Speaker 2: being totally honest, and I think I might have said
Speaker 2: this to you in the weeks leading up to the draft.
Speaker 2: He's the most effortless athlete that I have ever watched
Speaker 2: on film. He just makes everything look easy. And James
Speaker 2: actually used the term he's got incredible grace, very graceful,
Speaker 2: and I thought that that was another great accurate way
Speaker 2: of describing him. But he makes things look easy, just
Speaker 2: the body control that he has as a wide receiver,
Speaker 2: the speed, the ball skills that he has, I mean,
Speaker 2: making catches it, you know, and I'm here to tell you.
Speaker 2: And I was kind of nice to Shader Sanders leading
Speaker 2: up to the draft because I just wasn't a big
Speaker 2: fan of him. I thought Travis Hunter made him look
Speaker 2: really good at times. And also there was another wide
Speaker 2: receiver at Colorado that's a pretty good one and I
Speaker 2: don't know his name, but watching some of the throws
Speaker 2: a chadur Ad. But my point of that is is
Speaker 2: that Travis has ball skills, mad ball skills, and if
Speaker 2: he were on the field full time as an offensive player.
Speaker 2: And in this draft, watching all of the wide receivers
Speaker 2: that I did, I watched the top I think five
Speaker 2: or six guys in the draft, Travis Hunter was by
Speaker 2: far and away the best wide receiver and it wasn't
Speaker 2: even close. Ted McMillan wasn't even in the same neighborhood
Speaker 2: as Travis Hunter as a wide receiver, and pairing him
Speaker 2: with Brian Thomas Junior, I think is just going to
Speaker 2: be an amazing situation for Trevor Lawrence. There's a lot
Speaker 2: to like, certainly on the offense that you mentioned some
Speaker 2: of them about Travis Hunnert. For me, it's in contested
Speaker 2: situations he's covered, but he's not ever covered. He's never covered.
Speaker 2: I mean, the ball can be the guy could be
Speaker 2: blanketed on him and he's still gonna get hands on
Speaker 2: it at least, I mean, somehow, some way in so
Speaker 2: many different instances. He was able to do that in
Speaker 2: traffic at Colorado. The last time that I watched a
Speaker 2: wide receiver and came away watching the draft film that
Speaker 2: I was as impressed as this was Megatron. Oh yeah,
Speaker 2: John Calvin Johnson Detroit Lions. When I was watching him
Speaker 2: at Georgia Tech, and I remember being Brian Sexson and
Speaker 2: at the time I wasn't a big fan of taking
Speaker 2: a wide you know, the wide receivers high and Brian
Speaker 2: and I we were talking about wide receiver or the
Speaker 2: potential top of the draft, and I said, you got
Speaker 2: to consider Calvin Johnson number one and overall and he
Speaker 2: was like, well, wait a minute, when did you change
Speaker 2: your mind on that? I said, he's one of the
Speaker 2: most incredible athletes I've ever watched, and so and Justin
Speaker 2: Jefferson another guy that was incredible to watch. And when
Speaker 2: you watch Travis, I mean, he's just he's kind of
Speaker 2: similar to Justin Jefferson a little bit in a lot
Speaker 2: of ways. But the contested catches or the the circus
Speaker 2: catches that he has, I mean, it's just it's amazing
Speaker 2: to watch. And the body control, it's incredible. And what
Speaker 2: does he run the forty forty yard dash show? I've
Speaker 2: never really seen a time on. Yeah, he never really did,
Speaker 2: Travis Hunter.
Speaker 3: No, you ever did it?
Speaker 2: I mean, because when you watch him run, it's he's
Speaker 2: effortless and and he's covering space like like nobody's nobody's business.
Speaker 2: I'd love to know what he's what's forty together? He
Speaker 2: hasn't run one, didn't do the combine, didn't do the
Speaker 2: pro DA, didn't have to. I don't believe. Hey, as
Speaker 2: fast as he needs check the tape like Dion right
Speaker 2: is legendary, runs as fast as legendary somebody that has
Speaker 2: a right to say legendary.
Speaker 3: Yes, sure, I don't know.
Speaker 2: And as a as a defensive back, by the way,
Speaker 2: which the Jaguars are talking about kind of working that
Speaker 2: in and I understand because like if I, if I
Speaker 2: had to have a choice between playing him on the
Speaker 2: defensive side of the ball and the offensive side of
Speaker 2: the ball, I would choose offense. When you touch the
Speaker 2: ball potentially seventy times in a season, you have you
Speaker 2: can have a much greater impact on the game versus
Speaker 2: a corner. And because you know, teams can avoid a
Speaker 2: star corner, you know, and in the NFL, teams can
Speaker 2: avoid covering you know, they have to cover him on offense.
Speaker 2: So but as a defensive back, great ball skills obviously
Speaker 2: translate over to the defensive side of the ball as well.
Speaker 2: He never gets tired, he has outstanding ability to cover
Speaker 2: in man, and of course the anticipation and anticipation is incredible.
Speaker 2: But the gap between him and the next best defensive back,
Speaker 2: which in my mind was the guy out of Texas,
Speaker 2: wasn't as great as the gap of him and the
Speaker 2: next best wide receiver. But of course a little off
Speaker 2: year for wide receiver too, by what most experts would
Speaker 2: even say, you know, it's a totally different skill set, right,
Speaker 2: So it's receiver running forward. You have the advantage you
Speaker 2: know where you're going, but at corner you got to
Speaker 2: running backwards. Right now, everybody can do that at a
Speaker 2: high level, and he's able to handle everything with great Again,
Speaker 2: I'll never forget because I can't remember what it was.
Speaker 2: But on our TV at home, okay, you turn it
Speaker 2: on and it's got this app that it automatically goes
Speaker 2: to because it's a TV, some smart TV, right, And
Speaker 2: I'm not smart enough to tell you exactly what happens,
Speaker 2: And so when you turn it on, it goes to
Speaker 2: this Samsung channels, right, And for some reason, it's on
Speaker 2: like some NFL programming and it's Daniel Jeremiah and another
Speaker 2: guy and it's a podcast that's being recorded. And I
Speaker 2: respect Daniel Jeremiah. I think he does a great job.
Speaker 2: He does great on the air. His opinions are firm.
Speaker 2: His opinions as a scout I think are solid as well.
Speaker 2: And so when he talks, I have a tendency to
Speaker 2: listen to some of the stuff that he says. And
Speaker 2: he was talking about being at the workout with Travis
Speaker 2: Hunter and he said, you know, he's doing this whole
Speaker 2: workout thing and he said, all of the guys at
Speaker 2: the prote I guess, And he said, everybody's working out
Speaker 2: and everybody's sweating, you know, because they're working out hard.
Speaker 2: He goes, you look over at Travis Hunter and he's
Speaker 2: doing everything that everybody else is doing. There's not even
Speaker 2: a beat a sweat on them, right. I mean, so
Speaker 2: somehow genetically, Travis Hunter has what Lance Armstrong had to
Speaker 2: do illegally to accomplish, right, I mean seriously, I mean
Speaker 2: some people can handle one hundred and forty snaps in
Speaker 2: a game. How many have has ever done that? I
Speaker 2: mean you're going back to the nineteen six yeah, but
Speaker 2: I mean right in the sixties, it wasn't that many
Speaker 2: different game different game. It wasn't that fast, and they
Speaker 2: didn't have as many snaps in the game. But I mean,
Speaker 2: this is truly a special athlete that that can do that.
Speaker 2: I mean, how many people could even think about doing that.
Speaker 2: I mean, to play a game with one hundred and
Speaker 2: twenty to one hundred and forty snaps and he did
Speaker 2: it all through college inane and I mean there will
Speaker 2: be a lot of eyes, certainly this offseason on rookie
Speaker 2: mini camp in a couple of weeks and then ot
Speaker 2: next weekend yeah, next weekend, and just to kind of
Speaker 2: see what he's doing, when he's doing it, how he's
Speaker 2: doing it. That's a big piece of the off season conversation.
Speaker 3: Ahead.
Speaker 2: We've got to come back in a moment though, Logs,
Speaker 2: we've got eight other draft picks. I don't know if
Speaker 2: you've heard about these other guys. I did, and I
Speaker 2: watched them all finished up. Just in fact, just a
Speaker 2: few minutes ago before we went on the air. Monheim
Speaker 2: was the last guy that I watched, the fellow Trojan
Speaker 2: of Tony BASSELI.
Speaker 3: We'll get to him a little bit later.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's you know, he's down in the draft draft
Speaker 2: ladder a little bit. We'll return. We'll discuss Caleb Ranson,
Speaker 2: Whytt Milam in the third round?
Speaker 3: Plenty more ahead, We're.
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Speaker 4: I kind of developed my confidence at a young age
Speaker 4: and start playing football, and I was four olda cuttness,
Speaker 4: so they used to bully me and I was the
Speaker 4: youngest out there playing football with him. So I had
Speaker 4: to get that confidence. I'm not gonna let y'all bully
Speaker 4: me and push me around, So That's just how I
Speaker 4: go about. If I'm not gonna let anybody push me
Speaker 4: ound and tell me what I can't do, I'm just
Speaker 4: go out and show him.
Speaker 2: It's Travis Hunter in his introductory press conference the other
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Speaker 2: Com and Jaguars YouTube. Travis Hunter talk will dominate the
Speaker 2: off season. That's how that's gonna go. And there's never enough.
Speaker 2: We'll get back to him a little bit later coming up.
Speaker 2: There were eight other draft picks. Jags, of course traded
Speaker 2: away their second round pick to move up to get
Speaker 2: Travis Hunter. So they had the early part of Friday
Speaker 2: off just kind of hanging out, relaxing, seeing how the
Speaker 2: board went. Was waiting and waiting and waiting, and then
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, a couple of third round picks
Speaker 2: they had to do some maneuvering to get back up
Speaker 2: for the second of the third round picks. Caleb Ransaw,
Speaker 2: coming from Tulane, started his career at Troy. He's from
Speaker 2: the northern part of the state of Alabama, where he
Speaker 2: went to high school, stayed in state at Troy for
Speaker 2: three years, went on to Tulane. But Ransaw pick number
Speaker 2: eighty eight overall logs. He's not scared to go make contact.
Speaker 2: You can't say that for a lot of cornerbacks. We'll
Speaker 2: see what his position is here. Sounds like it's more
Speaker 2: of a safety style for him here. Yeah, watching his film,
Speaker 2: it was almost exclusively a nickelback his last year in college.
Speaker 2: And you know, Nichols in safety's got to tackle a lot,
Speaker 2: you know, I mean at the line of scrimmage near
Speaker 2: the box area, and then they at those positions you've
Speaker 2: got you got to tackle. And one of the surest
Speaker 2: tackling corner slash nickelbacks that I've watched in a number
Speaker 2: of years. I mean, he just doesn't miss many tackles.
Speaker 2: He's he's got courage, which not all defensive backs have
Speaker 2: in that role. Does a really good job of staying
Speaker 2: facing the line of scrimmage and attacking things that stay
Speaker 2: in front of him. That's where I think where he
Speaker 2: really excels. Great speed, I mean great speed. Ball skills
Speaker 2: kind of okay, but you know you're not in a
Speaker 2: position to really, you know, in his own type of
Speaker 2: concept to play on a lot of balls, I think.
Speaker 2: But what I like about him the best is just
Speaker 2: the sheer speed and athleticism and the willingness to be
Speaker 2: a physical defender. That part right there will tell you
Speaker 2: that he can play safety, and he also I think
Speaker 2: will split time as a nickel as well. I mean
Speaker 2: he can run too. Now, he can run forty inch vertical.
Speaker 2: Forty inch vertical. I like, there's like two guys that
Speaker 2: got forty inch vertical on this team and there may
Speaker 2: be more I'm talking about in the draft class. Crazy
Speaker 2: crazy numbers, But I like him. I think he does
Speaker 2: a good job in coverage. He can play man at
Speaker 2: times when the balls in the air. He doesn't have
Speaker 2: those elite ball skills like a Travis Hunter as a
Speaker 2: defensive back, but I mean, not many people do have
Speaker 2: that kind of skill level. Reason they traded another first round, sure,
Speaker 2: but I like what they did here because I think
Speaker 2: number one, he's going to be a really strong tackler
Speaker 2: a really strong special teams player, and this team needs
Speaker 2: help at safety, and it's going to be a little
Speaker 2: bit of a transition for him, but I think for
Speaker 2: the most part, I think he'll be able to adjust
Speaker 2: without any kind of major issues at all. Then the
Speaker 2: Jaguars had to trade back up into that third round
Speaker 2: and the next pick. In fact, while they were selecting Ransaw,
Speaker 2: they were in negotiations with the trade for the eighty
Speaker 2: ninth overall pick. They ended up with Wyatt Milam out
Speaker 2: of West Virginia, the Big twelve offensive lineman of the year,
Speaker 2: a four year starter, a consensus All American pick a
Speaker 2: year ago, and he's big, sixty six, three hundred and
Speaker 2: thirteen pounds, And it just continues the idea of change
Speaker 2: on the offensive line for free agent editions. And then
Speaker 2: Milam the first of what ended up being two selections
Speaker 2: in the NFL Draft on the line. But Milam is
Speaker 2: going to move into guard here. Well, interesting too the
Speaker 2: picture that we just showed he's wearing sixty four. Well,
Speaker 2: all the film that I watched, he was wearing seventy
Speaker 2: four and played left tackle. And I think it's going
Speaker 2: to be interesting to see where he's gonna end up
Speaker 2: playing for this football team. He's going to provide competition
Speaker 2: I think at multiple positions, guard and tackle. Like it.
Speaker 2: He finishes, got a little nasty to him, which I
Speaker 2: really like. The finish that he has I think are
Speaker 2: gonna Those are the kind of that's the kind of
Speaker 2: finish that you want to have with your offensive line
Speaker 2: group as a whole. And that's probably one of the
Speaker 2: weaker things that the offensive line. One of the traits
Speaker 2: that they had over the last couple of years is
Speaker 2: that they didn't finish. My limb will finish each and
Speaker 2: every play. He's not looking just to you know, he's
Speaker 2: sometimes looking to go to the echo of the whistle
Speaker 2: and likes to try to bury guys. A little bit athletic,
Speaker 2: He's long. I don't know if his best position is
Speaker 2: going to be tackled. I think he's probably going to
Speaker 2: be guard.
Speaker 3: Six six guard.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that's the way the National Football League nowadays, right.
Speaker 2: I Mean, he doesn't have I don't think he's got
Speaker 2: exceptionally long arms, but he's he's a big, long, big guy, naturally,
Speaker 2: big guy, tough as nails. Double teams, oh man, when
Speaker 2: he he did double teams, you know, because a lot
Speaker 2: of times the tackle will we'll bump on a three
Speaker 2: and then go up to second level. His bumps were
Speaker 2: like throwing guys out of the bars do where the
Speaker 2: guard didn't have to hardly do anything. So he's fun
Speaker 2: to watch now, fun to watch. I think he's gonna be,
Speaker 2: if not a starter right away, then he's gonna be
Speaker 2: a guy that may be into the lineup sooner rather
Speaker 2: than later. And that's you know, I was talking with
Speaker 2: John Osier. You might have heard of him, and Bucky Brooks. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you might have heard of him. Yeah, on Huddle Up
Speaker 2: yesterday on the official Jaguars podcast network Jaguars you Tube
Speaker 2: all the places, and our conversation was about offensive line.
Speaker 2: And you know, a lot of times you say there's competition,
Speaker 2: but you know who the starters are gonna be. That's right, Yeah,
Speaker 2: there might actually be some real competition on the offensive
Speaker 2: line this year, so far from set right. Well, And look,
Speaker 2: I think the veteran guys coming in are gonna have
Speaker 2: a little bit of an advantage just because you know, look,
Speaker 2: they know how the league is, they've got experience, they're
Speaker 2: more mature physically. Some of these guys that come in
Speaker 2: with offensive linemen, sometimes it takes them a couple of
Speaker 2: years to kind of get to the point physically to
Speaker 2: where they're men. I mean, there's a lot of guys
Speaker 2: that play college football that they haven't been playing football
Speaker 2: and lifting weights and eating full time and haven't gotten
Speaker 2: to the point physically that the guys are in the pros.
Speaker 2: And also the techniques and tricks and all that kind
Speaker 2: of stuff, anticipation, learning the system, learning the game at
Speaker 2: the NFL level, it's a distinct advantage for a veteran player,
Speaker 2: so it's very difficult for a young player to come in.
Speaker 2: Now there's special cases, just like Biselli. When he came
Speaker 2: in the door, I was like, my god, this guy's
Speaker 2: ready to go. But there's not a lot of guys
Speaker 2: that are built that way. But I believe that there
Speaker 2: is going to be legitimate competition, and I think Milas
Speaker 2: is going to be in the mix.
Speaker 3: Well, come back in a moment.
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Speaker 5: I go through the range of all emotions and when
Speaker 5: it comes to competing right, Internally, I have an extreme
Speaker 5: fire and an extreme passion for the sport of football
Speaker 5: and engineering team dynamics.
Speaker 6: But externally I do project, an attempt to project.
Speaker 5: It is a conscious effort, grace and end points. Which
Speaker 5: that's practice that's been practiced over time, and I have
Speaker 5: had to if that's my standard, failed not met that
Speaker 5: standard multiple times.
Speaker 6: In order and I know that I'll fail in the future.
Speaker 5: Right, There's likely to be a moment that I don't,
Speaker 5: I don't come through in a way that I would
Speaker 5: want to come through, and there will be moments where
Speaker 5: I'm proud of it.
Speaker 6: But that's certainly something I'm conscious of.
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Speaker 2: Jaguars draft class with Jeff Flogoman, film expert. Well, I
Speaker 2: don't know about that, but spent the time watching I
Speaker 2: probably spent about an hour watching each guy, you know,
Speaker 2: but today was a little I had like two guys
Speaker 2: at the very end here where it didn't quite go
Speaker 2: an hour. But uh yeah, I watched most of these
Speaker 2: guys for for quite some time. And by Schule Tooting, Yeah, Basal,
Speaker 2: let's say sure the day three picks here starting in
Speaker 2: the fourth round. Basial Tooting out of Virginia Tech, was
Speaker 2: at North Carolina A and T to start his career,
Speaker 2: transferred to Blacksburg four three two forty a forty and a.
Speaker 3: Half inch vertical jump at the combine.
Speaker 2: Four three two. I mean, just give people an idea
Speaker 2: that's smoking fast. That's Fred Taylor fast. I mean that's seriously,
Speaker 2: that's Fred Taylor fast. And you look at the size
Speaker 2: of them five nine two oh six. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 2: this is uh, this is a more east tight maybe
Speaker 2: a little bit taller on Maurice probably wore platform shoes
Speaker 2: to get the five to nine on some kind of
Speaker 2: measured days, right, Maurice. No, But when Tutin gets a hole,
Speaker 2: I mean, I mean, he's got a lot of guys
Speaker 2: have forty yard dash speed, and there are guys that
Speaker 2: have legitimate football speed. Tutan's got legitimate football speed and
Speaker 2: power as well. You know, in the backfield, you're talking
Speaker 2: about a compact figure. Now. I don't want to say
Speaker 2: he's Ashton Jenny power, because Jenny runs through more tackles
Speaker 2: than arguably anybody that ever watched in college football. But
Speaker 2: Tutan's got a little bit of that kind of at
Speaker 2: the beginning. But once he's in the open field, that
Speaker 2: power doesn't run through guys. But when he's untouched, I'm
Speaker 2: talking there's a smoke trail behind him and got really
Speaker 2: strong vision, which is obviously a great trait to have
Speaker 2: your running back. But I mean, I was shocked that
Speaker 2: this guy wasn't in the conversation as one of the
Speaker 2: top four running backs in the draft after watching him,
Speaker 2: how much of it is especially with the guy in
Speaker 2: North Carolina. Yeah right, what's his name, Maari Hampton? Yeah, Hampton.
Speaker 2: So being this size five to nine, little over two hundred,
Speaker 2: you can kind of hide behind the offensive line a
Speaker 2: little bit too, right, Yeah, I mean that's not I mean,
Speaker 2: you don't want to pick short guys just so they
Speaker 2: can hide. But I mean, yeah, he has a little
Speaker 2: bit of that. But the impressive part of him is
Speaker 2: the speed, the speed vision. But what impressed me the
Speaker 2: most about him is that he doesn't waste any steps.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of running backs like the guy Ohio
Speaker 2: State that got picked I think is the second running
Speaker 2: back in the draft. He will dance a little bit,
Speaker 2: okay until he figures out where he needs to go
Speaker 2: to none do that. I mean it's once plant and
Speaker 2: then go. I mean, that's the thing I think that's
Speaker 2: impressive about him and is he doesn't waste anytime. His
Speaker 2: offensive linemen are gonna love that fact because he's decisive
Speaker 2: and he's decisive.
Speaker 3: With good vision.
Speaker 2: So bam and go north South. That's him. North South
Speaker 2: with speed. So when you add a quick decision on
Speaker 2: the cut with elite speed, now you're talking angles and
Speaker 2: approaches from defenders are not gonna work as well. And
Speaker 2: that's why he had all the yards that he had.
Speaker 3: Let's continue in the fourth round.
Speaker 2: The Jaguars go linebacker Jack Kaiser out of Notre Dame
Speaker 2: was in South Bend for six years, stuck it out.
Speaker 2: How do you end up at college for six years? Well,
Speaker 2: COVID year so that everybody could get an extra year
Speaker 2: during the COVID rules. A lot of guys took advantage
Speaker 2: of it, and he he came into college in an
Speaker 2: era where nil and transfer rules were not a thing.
Speaker 2: Like you couldn't just go anywhere, and you weren't getting
Speaker 2: paid much money. At the end, he could have gone
Speaker 2: other places, he didn't, and he got paid some money
Speaker 2: at the end of the Notre Dame to stick around
Speaker 2: six nine veteran players played a lot of football. He
Speaker 2: has and and just he was an outstanding I think interview.
Speaker 2: You know the league has interviews, the teams have the interviews.
Speaker 2: He's a great interview, just like I mean, Tooton was
Speaker 2: an exceptional interview. The running back from Virginia Tech and
Speaker 2: Kaiser were number twenty four, and that kind of sticks
Speaker 2: in my mind because he's not a big, big guy,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, what did you say he
Speaker 2: was ye six two two twenty something whatever, not a
Speaker 2: monster linebacker like you know Devin Lloyd and him standing
Speaker 2: next to each other, it was thirty one two thirty one.
Speaker 2: There would be a stark difference in size. But really active,
Speaker 2: really active, makes a lot of tackles. And I think
Speaker 2: you was he like the all time leading tackler and
Speaker 2: that Notre Dame I think. I think it's something that
Speaker 2: I read somewhere, but watching his film, I mean, the
Speaker 2: guy is always around the ball, active to no get out,
Speaker 2: has great movement skills, but he's a little smaller than
Speaker 2: some of the other linebackers. And I would say this
Speaker 2: about him. I think he's going to make a lot
Speaker 2: of tackles in his career. I think he's going to
Speaker 2: be an exceptional special teams player because he's active and
Speaker 2: he's got that movement. But I think you're going to
Speaker 2: have to protect him a little bit. When I say
Speaker 2: protect him a little bit, you want to have a
Speaker 2: lot of you want to have a lot of beef
Speaker 2: up in front of him so that he can he
Speaker 2: can run clean. If he's got to consistently fight through blocks,
Speaker 2: then that's not going to be him at his best,
Speaker 2: so to speak. But love how active he is, Love
Speaker 2: how how many hell is all. He's got a nose
Speaker 2: for the ball. He's always there. Comes from a hard
Speaker 2: working background, comes from a farm. Did his post pick
Speaker 2: call to the media the family farm. Yeah, like he's
Speaker 2: got I think a thousand acres in Indiana. Had some
Speaker 2: brothers when they all left to go, and they were
Speaker 2: all like athletes, I guess, and then he had to
Speaker 2: take over all their duties and stuff. And I mean, yeah,
Speaker 2: he's got the work ethic and got a little bit
Speaker 2: of track background in the family. I guess a lot
Speaker 2: of his dad and a lot of his brothers and
Speaker 2: him were throwers at the discus and shot don sta. Yeah,
Speaker 2: pretty cool. He's going to be twenty five when the
Speaker 2: season gets here. That's kind of an older rookie, Trevor Lawrence, Yeah,
Speaker 2: isn't it. That's all right? Hey, Look, as long as
Speaker 2: you can play football, I don't care how old you are.
Speaker 2: Taylor McLeod could play football at Auburn certainly in his
Speaker 2: last couple of years started at a state, transferred over.
Speaker 2: He was a six round pick. As a linebacker, he
Speaker 2: was kind of a hybrid type with stand up some
Speaker 2: They put him on the edge in certain pass rushing
Speaker 2: downs and twenty four tackles for loss in twenty four
Speaker 2: games at Auburn in his two years on the planes. Yeah,
Speaker 2: he played a lot and with his hand in the ground.
Speaker 2: And I should actually correct that and say hands. At Auburn,
Speaker 2: the edge players play from a four point stand. What's
Speaker 2: the difference there? Why is that a difference. I'm not
Speaker 2: a fan of the four point stance just because I
Speaker 2: think it slows your get off. You're losing a little
Speaker 2: bit of that momentum swing with the back arm. But
Speaker 2: I can tell you this, I mean, there was no
Speaker 2: problem with him doing it. But he's kind of did
Speaker 2: a little bit of both. At Auburn, he was on
Speaker 2: the edge in a four point stance. He would stand
Speaker 2: up in that kind of spinner role where he would
Speaker 2: be a fourth rusher and they'd have three down and
Speaker 2: he would kind of move around and go to different
Speaker 2: gaps and rush. And there were times that he stood
Speaker 2: up as like a spy and played linebacker. Now, at
Speaker 2: the All Star Game that he went to, they played
Speaker 2: him as an inside linebacker, which I think is more
Speaker 2: than likely going to be where he ends up residing at.
Speaker 2: But I think he can give them a guy that
Speaker 2: maybe can contribute some snaps at edge, you know, in
Speaker 2: two minute drill where you're kind of rotating guys through.
Speaker 2: But he's not a real big guy, you know, so
Speaker 2: I want to see that because there's not a lot
Speaker 2: of guys that aren't that big that can do that.
Speaker 2: I wonder what his coverability is like if he's gonna play,
Speaker 2: you know, if he's gonna be an outside kind of
Speaker 2: strongside guy. Well, I can tell you this the if
Speaker 2: he's gonna I anticipate him playing linebacker here. Okay, I
Speaker 2: think there's gonna be an adjustment period for him. Okay.
Speaker 2: The one thing that's very apparent he's got great closing.
Speaker 2: UH doesn't have He's not a super fast guy, but
Speaker 2: he does a really good job of body control. He's
Speaker 2: got great bend, he's got some natural pass rush moves,
Speaker 2: and he's a very good athlete. But he doesn't have
Speaker 2: superior speed. But he's got good speed. But there's always
Speaker 2: an adjustment for a guy that's had his hand in
Speaker 2: the round for the most part and then was told
Speaker 2: to sick them to now all of a sudden that
Speaker 2: you have to read react, and before you even read
Speaker 2: and react, you've got to be able to adjust the
Speaker 2: assignments and responsibilities in the gap and everything else in
Speaker 2: your mind before the ball has even snapped. Devin Lloyd, right,
Speaker 2: It takes a while, right, Yeah, I mean Devin had
Speaker 2: an adjustment period on that as well, right, So we'll
Speaker 2: see what McLeod has. Devin's still in an adjustment period
Speaker 2: to some extent, so I mean still learn it. And
Speaker 2: it's a big year for him, final year of his
Speaker 2: rookie deal. They didn't take the fifth year option, well,
Speaker 2: and that's an opportunity for it going to be a
Speaker 2: great opportunity for him, you know. Now he's going to
Speaker 2: have a chance to test the market, have a great year,
Speaker 2: and then you're going to be loving it absolutely. We
Speaker 2: continue here on Jaguars Happy Hour, JP Shadwick, Jeff Lockham
Speaker 2: and going through the traft picks. We talked Travis Hunter already,
Speaker 2: we've gone third round, we've gone fourth round. Now we're
Speaker 2: in the sixth round again. With Raywan laying the third
Speaker 2: safety out of Navy. James Gladstone says, hey, you know,
Speaker 2: most likely you'll see his impact immediately on the special
Speaker 2: team side of things.
Speaker 3: But he had.
Speaker 2: Opportunities after two years. If you're at the academies, you
Speaker 2: can transfer after to you know, within two years without
Speaker 2: penalty or without having to serve and all that. He
Speaker 2: decided to stay and stick it out at Navy and
Speaker 2: played forty nine games for the midship But I think
Speaker 2: that says something right there. I mean, you talk about commitment, right,
Speaker 2: I mean, to stay at Navy when he could have
Speaker 2: left made money and il money maybe improved his opportunities
Speaker 2: in the draft even further. I mean I like that.
Speaker 2: I mean to me, that says something about the person
Speaker 2: now the player watching his film. Very good ball skills,
Speaker 2: very good ball skills, the positives, got a good nose
Speaker 2: for the ball. Definitely is active, runs well, I will say,
Speaker 2: in open space. At times. Sometimes he misses tackles, which
Speaker 2: I mean, I think that anybody in open space can
Speaker 2: do that. But I like his commitment. I like his
Speaker 2: his attitude that he plays the game at But he's
Speaker 2: got that one weakness is a tackling in space a
Speaker 2: little bit. That's gonna be something to watch for him.
Speaker 2: But the ball skills that he has JP you know,
Speaker 2: whereas you know earlier we were talking about rams while
Speaker 2: not having the ball skills. Okay, this young man has
Speaker 2: ball skills. Love that m H. And he can play
Speaker 2: immediately because of just not that long ago, they had
Speaker 2: made some changes to the rules for players who have
Speaker 2: finished their years at Navy Army the academies. So basically
Speaker 2: he'll be in the selected reserves as a commissioned officer
Speaker 2: and participated and he'll participate, as they say, at efforts
Speaker 2: to recruit and retain members of the Army. I mean,
Speaker 2: what better way to recruit for the Navy in this
Speaker 2: town then to have a guy that just finished his
Speaker 2: playing career at Navy and is now going to be
Speaker 2: an example for all of the other people to maybe
Speaker 2: want to go to play football at Navy or to
Speaker 2: join the Navy itself. Great opportunity for him. I mean,
Speaker 2: if he ends up playing well in this town, there's
Speaker 2: gonna be a lot of opportunities they're going to open
Speaker 2: up for him. Absolutely, a two base Navy town in Jacksonville. Oh,
Speaker 2: come on, Oh, yeah, kidding me. Well, let's not forget. Okay,
Speaker 2: we've got a couple bases, but then there's another one
Speaker 2: right up the road. Oh yeah, up in Georgia. Correct, Yeah,
Speaker 2: so three within really striking distance. Exactly.
Speaker 3: Love that. Let's continue, Let's get the seventh round.
Speaker 2: Picks and logs and Jonah Manheim from Southern California played
Speaker 2: both tackle positions in twenty two and twenty three right tackle,
Speaker 2: left tackle, respectively, and then moved into center last year
Speaker 2: for twelve games for SC and I played four of
Speaker 2: the five positions in a career across the line, but
Speaker 2: listed as a center as they picked him. Well, and
Speaker 2: this is one of those guys that I didn't spend
Speaker 2: the hour on. Okay, so I just watched his performance
Speaker 2: last year, so I think the center, And even though
Speaker 2: I haven't watched him play tackle, I don't think he's
Speaker 2: got the length to play tackle. He's a six foot four,
Speaker 2: three hundred pounder. I think his room for growth. He's
Speaker 2: got a great base, he's got great awareness. His footwork
Speaker 2: is good. He got to do a little bit better
Speaker 2: sometimes with his first step in gaining ground instead of
Speaker 2: kind of shuffling with it. But balance anticipation. I think
Speaker 2: he's going to get bigger to be more effective. Does
Speaker 2: an excellent job getting to the second level. There's not
Speaker 2: many centers that can snap a shotgun snap and that
Speaker 2: can pull and get out front on a wide suite.
Speaker 2: This guy can do that, which is impressive. So I
Speaker 2: think this is a I don't want to say this
Speaker 2: is a I don't think he's going to come in
Speaker 2: and compete right away way for a starting job. I
Speaker 2: don't think you're gonna beat Ainsey out, okay, but I
Speaker 2: think that this is a guy jar on the shelf,
Speaker 2: develop him for a year, maybe two, and that this
Speaker 2: guy may end up being a long term solution at
Speaker 2: center for you. And finally, also in the seventh round,
Speaker 2: the Quint Allen from Syracuse, another running back. I don't
Speaker 2: know if i'd put him at just running back.
Speaker 3: Where are you gonna put him?
Speaker 2: I think he can you can say running back, slash,
Speaker 2: full back, slash, h back slash, tight end. His his
Speaker 2: special ability is catching the ball. I mean that's really
Speaker 2: where his special skill set really really shows to me.
Speaker 2: Uh here hurdles a lot of guys once he's out
Speaker 2: in space. Uh got good hands, evasive in the open field.
Speaker 2: You know, they they played him in kind of that
Speaker 2: dual role at Syracuse, you know, where they weren't afraid
Speaker 2: to put him out in space and play him as
Speaker 2: a as a slot receiver. Had over five hundred receiving yards,
Speaker 2: one of two FBS players with over one thousand rushing
Speaker 2: and five hundred or more receiving scataboos the other one.
Speaker 2: By the way, Yeah, I like this young man. You know,
Speaker 2: look for he's long. Kind of reminds me a little
Speaker 2: bit when he's running, kind of like a Derrick Henry.
Speaker 2: And don't don't get me wrong here, I'm not trying
Speaker 2: to say he runs with that power authority, but just
Speaker 2: the length, you know. I mean when you watch Derrick
Speaker 2: Henry run, you notice the length and you thought, well,
Speaker 2: he's not moving that fast because his gait is different, right,
Speaker 2: He's gaining a lot of ground with steps. Kind of
Speaker 2: reminds me a little bit of a l quinn Alleny
Speaker 2: just because of the length, but not obviously in the
Speaker 2: same category. You know, a lot of passing game stuff.
Speaker 2: Sixty four catches last year. Let all the running backs
Speaker 2: in college football. Yah, That's why I don't I don't
Speaker 2: think you put him at running back. I think you
Speaker 2: just say, hey, look athlete, But you know you don't
Speaker 2: do that in the same kind of way that you
Speaker 2: know years ago the Jaguars draft is somebody out of
Speaker 2: Michigan and decided to put the tag of that fleet
Speaker 2: on the offensive weapon. Yeah, I mean that was Robins. Yeah,
Speaker 2: come on, come on, let's just just give him a
Speaker 2: position and let's move forward. But but la Quinn Allen
Speaker 2: is uh is a I think he's gonna be fun
Speaker 2: to watch just from the standpoint of you can do
Speaker 2: a lot of different things with him. And by the way,
Speaker 2: the Jaguars signed twenty undrafted. Haven't gotten the film on it.
Speaker 3: You haven't dug that deep.
Speaker 2: Give me a little time on that. We've got time.
Speaker 2: We'll come back in a moment. Phase two is underway
Speaker 2: for the veterans and we'll get our final thoughts in
Speaker 2: on ten to excel am Jaguars dot Com and Jaguars YouTube.
Speaker 3: It's Jaguars Happy Hour. I'm not gonna let no one talking.
Speaker 3: I'm promising that.
Speaker 2: So I feel like I did a good job at.
Speaker 6: West Virginia not let no one touch the quarterback. So
Speaker 6: that's my goal. I'm not gonna let anyone touch Trevor,
Speaker 6: So I'm excited to that.
Speaker 3: It's Wyatt Milum.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good way to start as an offensive lineman.
Speaker 2: Don't let anybody touch number sixteen.
Speaker 3: Good idea. Welcome back.
Speaker 2: It's Jaguars Happy Hour JP Shaddick with Jeff Logiven. We're
Speaker 2: at the Hundai Studios on Tentedxlamjaguars dot Com and Jaguars
Speaker 2: YouTube and Jaguars Happy Hour is presented by Dream Pinders Homes,
Speaker 2: official homepiitter of the Jacksonville Jaguars. We've gone through the
Speaker 2: draft class. They'll have rookie mini camp next weekend, so
Speaker 2: keep an eye out for maybe some possible news on
Speaker 2: that in the next.
Speaker 3: Week or so.
Speaker 2: Don't want to ruin it. Meanwhile, veterans are here. Phase
Speaker 2: two of the off season program is underway. It started
Speaker 2: on Monday, which means that the coaches can be out
Speaker 2: there for the first time with players. It was no
Speaker 2: helmets though, no helmet still, no team drills, no one
Speaker 2: on one stuff. Basically it's just individual drills. Now that's
Speaker 2: you know, that's the pace of the off season and
Speaker 2: nut's the way it should be, you know. But the
Speaker 2: biggest part is is that when you've got a new
Speaker 2: coaching staff like this, the moments that you have on
Speaker 2: the grass great teaching opportunity because you've got new systems,
Speaker 2: and so you want to end up having that become
Speaker 2: kind of second nature by the time you hit the
Speaker 2: ground for mini camps. So then then once you get
Speaker 2: the training camp, it's just an afterthought that the system
Speaker 2: is already in there and you're not even thinking anymore.
Speaker 2: You're just being an athlete. If you're watching us on
Speaker 2: Jaguars YouTube, you see Liam Cohen and Trevor Lawrence on
Speaker 2: the field together for the first time. Yeah, there's Diamie
Speaker 2: Brown with the head coach, Liam Cohen, Ryan Thomas Junior.
Speaker 2: I mean, look, this is valuable. You know, this is
Speaker 2: when you want to have as much influence on the
Speaker 2: players as far as the teaching part of it and
Speaker 2: also about establishing your culture and valuable valuable time spent
Speaker 2: all in the grass and you can't waste it because
Speaker 2: you know you're limited. You know, you're basically once you
Speaker 2: step out on the grass, you're on the clock. You know,
Speaker 2: the the union and and ownership has the agreements about
Speaker 2: what you can do, how you can do it. And
Speaker 2: how long you can do it. And you've got to
Speaker 2: make the most out of every bit of it. Yeah,
Speaker 2: go up to the light of the rule. It's written
Speaker 2: for a reason, it's negotiated for a reason. What it is,
Speaker 2: you know, and don't try to bend the rules or
Speaker 2: anything like that. But you know, just just follow the rules.
Speaker 3: I like it.
Speaker 2: We've seen it around here where the rules have been bent, well,
Speaker 2: they've been slept in the hand. Well. And I tell
Speaker 2: you what, the Miller Electric Center is an amazing place.
Speaker 2: I mean, what a great facility. I mean you compare
Speaker 2: what there is today versus what it used to be
Speaker 2: like for the Jaguars here. I mean, it's night and day,
Speaker 2: night and day. Every modern amenity tool is there for
Speaker 2: the players. It's all right at their fingertips. It's all convenient.
Speaker 2: I mean, kudos to the city, kudos to Shad because
Speaker 2: this place is top notch. Everything he needs right here.
Speaker 2: Why would you go anywhere else? You don't need to,
Speaker 2: You don't, you don't need to at all. By the way,
Speaker 2: they signed a defensive end Ogba. What do you think
Speaker 2: I like him? Why did we wait like two years,
Speaker 2: three years to sign another edge player? You're asking the
Speaker 2: wrong guy. That guy's not around anymore. I don't know, Like, wait,
Speaker 2: wait a minute. You gotta have you gotta have guys
Speaker 2: that can rotate in. I mean I'm talking legitimate guys.
Speaker 2: And last year the best guy that they had that
Speaker 2: they were going to roll in traded them to another team.
Speaker 2: And I was going Roy robertson Harris, No, not Roy.
Speaker 2: They traded them. Well, they both ended up going to Seattle.
Speaker 2: He was an edge player. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Anyway,
Speaker 2: he was the depth. He was your third guy, and
Speaker 2: they traded him right before the season began, and I
Speaker 2: was like, well, wait a minute, Trevis Gibson, Yes, Trevis Gibson, okay,
Speaker 2: from the Tennessee Titans. They got right, And look, I mean,
Speaker 2: no offense to Miles Cole, okay, But Miles Cole wasn't
Speaker 2: ready to be a third guy in the rotation, and
Speaker 2: he showed that last year. He's got a ways.
Speaker 3: To go yet.
Speaker 2: Emmanuel Ogba former second round pick Brown Miamistry year Dolphins
Speaker 2: for five seasons.
Speaker 3: How many sacks did you have in your career? Logs?
Speaker 2: Oh I don't, oh, don't act like you. I don't remember.
Speaker 3: Passed forty three and a half in it.
Speaker 2: It's about somewhere about what I had something like that.
Speaker 2: He's a good player, veteran guy, been there, done that.
Speaker 2: When he lines up, you're not sitting there worried about,
Speaker 2: oh my god, is he gonna get smoked or oh
Speaker 2: my god, he's not going to be able to do anything.
Speaker 2: You're okay, veteran guy. Put him in. We're okay. We
Speaker 2: can give these guys a break for the record. Jeff
Speaker 2: Logman career sacks forty seven. Yeah, that was right around there.
Speaker 3: Happened when he passes.
Speaker 2: You this year, Oh, congratulates. I'll shake his hand. I'll say,
Speaker 2: good job man. Not hard to do. If I could
Speaker 2: stay it healthy, I might have had a few more that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's everybody right.
Speaker 2: Well, part of the game. The way the game is,
Speaker 2: what do they always say? JP? Availability always supersedes what ability?
Speaker 2: Ability exactly. But you can't spell certain ones without the
Speaker 2: words of ability availability. Availability cannot be spelled without some
Speaker 2: of the letters from ability, like the whole word almost.
Speaker 2: But you don't use the B and availability. I guess
Speaker 2: you do.
Speaker 3: What are you talking about?
Speaker 2: What is wrong? Well? That's the am I right. You
Speaker 2: cannot spell, you cannot spell one without the other. That's
Speaker 2: the only point I.
Speaker 3: Was making, right, But it's the same.
Speaker 2: Never mind, it is the ability and availability. You just
Speaker 2: had to be in another What are we doing? But
Speaker 2: I'm just saying, JP, I'm glad they got Agba to
Speaker 2: go back to our original point because you gotta have three. Now,
Speaker 2: everybody's kind of freaking out about the whole We didn't
Speaker 2: do anything in the draft to address our defensive line.
Speaker 2: I think people need to take a step back and
Speaker 2: take a deep breath on that.
Speaker 3: Take a chill pill.
Speaker 2: Okay, No, not a chill pill, because that kind of
Speaker 2: implying to take a drug. Don't take a drug. It relax, Okay,
Speaker 2: Ogba is exactly it. I thought that they may address
Speaker 2: edge in the draft because that's the position. I thought
Speaker 2: that they needed to find some depth in. But by
Speaker 2: doing that with Ogba, to me, okay, you got it,
Speaker 2: and everybody's like, okay, what are you gonna do at
Speaker 2: defensive tackle? I feel good about Jordan Jefferson, Devon Hamilton, Okay,
Speaker 2: Eric Armstead, I'm okay with those guys. I think they'll
Speaker 2: be okay next week. Between now and then, I don't
Speaker 2: teach you how to spell and then next week I
Speaker 2: need a little bit liston Lane will be with us
Speaker 2: last week, so that's coming up next week. Thanks to
Speaker 2: Jeff Flogerman, I'm j P. Shadwick, Joe Fortunado, David cho
Speaker 2: our entire crew. Thanks to you for listening to Jaguars
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