1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:27,520 Speaker 1: Ridiculous History is a production of iHeartRadio. Welcome back to 2 00:00:27,560 --> 00:00:31,680 Speaker 1: the show, fellow Ridiculous Historians. We can't wait to hear 3 00:00:31,880 --> 00:00:35,160 Speaker 1: from you on this one. Just off Mike, we were 4 00:00:35,200 --> 00:00:39,120 Speaker 1: talking uh with each other, and I asked the question 5 00:00:40,240 --> 00:00:45,560 Speaker 1: Noel Brown, super producer Max, have any of us eating 6 00:00:45,680 --> 00:00:46,320 Speaker 1: dog food? 7 00:00:46,800 --> 00:00:49,080 Speaker 2: Max said, maybe once on a dare. 8 00:00:49,720 --> 00:00:52,240 Speaker 3: No, definitely on a dare. 9 00:00:52,040 --> 00:00:52,839 Speaker 2: Definitely on it. 10 00:00:52,880 --> 00:00:55,480 Speaker 3: Okay, oh yeah, I know, I've I've done with cat 11 00:00:55,520 --> 00:00:57,960 Speaker 3: food also, but like you know, you're you're dumb kid, like, oh, 12 00:00:58,000 --> 00:01:00,639 Speaker 3: let's do it, but never for suscedence, never like, oh, 13 00:01:00,680 --> 00:01:01,720 Speaker 3: this is my meal for the day. 14 00:01:01,880 --> 00:01:03,800 Speaker 1: Okay, Noel, you've got a story as well. 15 00:01:03,920 --> 00:01:06,039 Speaker 2: Oh only that back in the day when we used 16 00:01:06,080 --> 00:01:09,560 Speaker 2: to get snacks at one of our early offices, our 17 00:01:09,840 --> 00:01:12,320 Speaker 2: delightful office manager who we still work with to this day, 18 00:01:13,040 --> 00:01:15,520 Speaker 2: but is in a different position, much more on the 19 00:01:15,560 --> 00:01:19,240 Speaker 2: content creation side. It's an awesome human being. Tamika shout out. 20 00:01:19,760 --> 00:01:22,440 Speaker 2: I think she accidentally put in an order for some 21 00:01:23,400 --> 00:01:27,280 Speaker 2: doggy chicken jerky choo sticks that were mixed in with 22 00:01:27,360 --> 00:01:32,560 Speaker 2: the you know, human meat stick type things, and I 23 00:01:32,640 --> 00:01:36,640 Speaker 2: certainly ate most of one before realizing that something wasn't 24 00:01:36,680 --> 00:01:40,040 Speaker 2: quite right. My teeth are healthier than they've ever been, though, 25 00:01:40,120 --> 00:01:45,480 Speaker 2: so sharp and clean. So that is dull brown. I 26 00:01:45,520 --> 00:01:48,640 Speaker 2: have been bulleted. It was fine, it wasn't. No, something 27 00:01:48,720 --> 00:01:50,840 Speaker 2: was wrong. I didn't need the whole thing. I got 28 00:01:50,840 --> 00:01:52,960 Speaker 2: about halfway through when I realized, I'm gonna need to 29 00:01:52,960 --> 00:01:54,279 Speaker 2: look a little closer at this label. 30 00:01:54,280 --> 00:01:59,000 Speaker 1: And yeah, that's her super producer Max, and we got 31 00:01:59,160 --> 00:02:11,680 Speaker 1: super in to the idea of of dog food. Now, look, 32 00:02:12,639 --> 00:02:18,480 Speaker 1: not everybody likes dogs, but we are, without apology, a 33 00:02:19,040 --> 00:02:21,320 Speaker 1: very pro Kade nine show. 34 00:02:21,480 --> 00:02:25,400 Speaker 2: Big time funny story. I think I've maybe mentioned on 35 00:02:25,440 --> 00:02:28,440 Speaker 2: this pod before. I've sort of got a co dog 36 00:02:28,760 --> 00:02:30,680 Speaker 2: named Apollo, who I get to spend some time with. 37 00:02:30,800 --> 00:02:33,360 Speaker 2: Is here right now, And yesterday I realized I didn't 38 00:02:33,360 --> 00:02:36,639 Speaker 2: have any dog food left, so I just cut him 39 00:02:36,720 --> 00:02:39,360 Speaker 2: some nice tasty little bites of the steak that I 40 00:02:39,400 --> 00:02:43,480 Speaker 2: was making for myself, and he loved it. Oh yeah, yeah. 41 00:02:43,600 --> 00:02:48,200 Speaker 1: The one of the most privileged dogs I have ever 42 00:02:48,400 --> 00:02:52,519 Speaker 1: met is my old man's dog. Now, my old man 43 00:02:52,680 --> 00:02:55,040 Speaker 1: is kind of a as you know, noal, He's kind 44 00:02:55,040 --> 00:02:57,040 Speaker 1: of a Colonel Kurtz character. 45 00:02:57,680 --> 00:02:59,880 Speaker 2: But ever Hitpook quite like that. But I teach to me. 46 00:03:00,240 --> 00:03:05,919 Speaker 1: Yeah, you cube interact horror so he uh he has 47 00:03:05,960 --> 00:03:09,480 Speaker 1: a lovely little shazoo uh named Leo. 48 00:03:10,320 --> 00:03:10,880 Speaker 2: Uh. 49 00:03:12,080 --> 00:03:15,920 Speaker 1: Leo eats better than any of us ever, will Well. 50 00:03:15,919 --> 00:03:17,560 Speaker 2: I mean a lot of people out there love to 51 00:03:17,680 --> 00:03:20,600 Speaker 2: make you know their own blend. They make like almost 52 00:03:20,600 --> 00:03:23,320 Speaker 2: like a beef stew sich. I love a blend. I 53 00:03:23,360 --> 00:03:26,960 Speaker 2: love we all love a blend. We do love a blend. Because, 54 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:32,800 Speaker 2: of course, early canine domestication did not involve kibbles or 55 00:03:33,040 --> 00:03:36,080 Speaker 2: wet food of any kind. It involved like feeding them 56 00:03:36,080 --> 00:03:39,680 Speaker 2: either from the table or having them do some hunting 57 00:03:39,720 --> 00:03:44,120 Speaker 2: and feeding themselves, or feeding them much more lean proteins 58 00:03:44,160 --> 00:03:44,960 Speaker 2: and meats. 59 00:03:45,400 --> 00:03:49,400 Speaker 1: Oh and let's also shout out our earlier episode on 60 00:03:49,560 --> 00:03:52,200 Speaker 1: the domestication of doggo fascinating. 61 00:03:52,680 --> 00:03:55,920 Speaker 2: It's wild. Also an early episode that we did on 62 00:03:56,160 --> 00:03:59,120 Speaker 2: the idea of spit turned dogs. 63 00:03:59,520 --> 00:04:01,280 Speaker 1: Oh no, oh, vegetable dogs. 64 00:04:01,320 --> 00:04:04,400 Speaker 2: Ah, you're right, the ones that were like little Schnauzers 65 00:04:04,440 --> 00:04:06,920 Speaker 2: type that would run on a conveyor belt to turn 66 00:04:07,040 --> 00:04:10,040 Speaker 2: the spits of dripping meat that they themselves were not 67 00:04:11,120 --> 00:04:15,000 Speaker 2: allowed to partake of for the drunken revelers in the 68 00:04:16,040 --> 00:04:19,799 Speaker 2: public houses of days of your What a parable about 69 00:04:19,880 --> 00:04:27,760 Speaker 2: economic disparity and capitalism. Research suggests that dogs were domesticated 70 00:04:29,440 --> 00:04:34,000 Speaker 2: probably around sixteen thousand years ago, but that was after 71 00:04:34,120 --> 00:04:36,960 Speaker 2: they had been hanging out with humans in some version 72 00:04:37,200 --> 00:04:41,560 Speaker 2: for more than thirty thousand years. When the cadids, or 73 00:04:41,600 --> 00:04:45,400 Speaker 2: when the dogs we call them now, when they moved 74 00:04:45,440 --> 00:04:49,480 Speaker 2: to official domesticated status, as you were saying, they no 75 00:04:49,560 --> 00:04:54,839 Speaker 2: longer hunt for their food, so their human pals start 76 00:04:55,000 --> 00:04:59,200 Speaker 2: feeding them or take responsibility for their diets. If you 77 00:04:59,360 --> 00:05:03,359 Speaker 2: look around now, and this one is for the dog lovers, folks, 78 00:05:03,680 --> 00:05:07,840 Speaker 2: if you look around now, you'll see any number of 79 00:05:08,080 --> 00:05:13,320 Speaker 2: things you can feed your pooch, dry kibble, maybe, a 80 00:05:13,600 --> 00:05:16,040 Speaker 2: soft wet food from a. 81 00:05:15,640 --> 00:05:23,159 Speaker 1: Pataid can as perhaps, yeah. Or you can even get 82 00:05:23,200 --> 00:05:30,800 Speaker 1: some online services to mail you a specific subscription diet 83 00:05:31,040 --> 00:05:33,360 Speaker 1: for your pet. 84 00:05:33,800 --> 00:05:34,680 Speaker 2: It's weird. 85 00:05:35,200 --> 00:05:40,279 Speaker 1: This is why it's ridiculous history to us. Until quite recently, 86 00:05:40,320 --> 00:05:43,640 Speaker 1: in the grand scheme of things, human owners did not 87 00:05:44,640 --> 00:05:50,800 Speaker 1: really think about how to best feed their canine friends. Instead, 88 00:05:51,920 --> 00:05:54,680 Speaker 1: it was like, hey, here are the scraps, you know, 89 00:05:54,920 --> 00:05:58,159 Speaker 1: go eat this. If you haven't found a rat or 90 00:05:58,160 --> 00:06:02,000 Speaker 1: a duck or whatever you eat outside. 91 00:06:02,160 --> 00:06:04,000 Speaker 2: Well, the old trope of the dog just getting the 92 00:06:04,080 --> 00:06:06,400 Speaker 2: last bits of meat off the bone, which is apparently 93 00:06:06,440 --> 00:06:08,320 Speaker 2: an awful thing to do for a dog, as they 94 00:06:08,320 --> 00:06:12,400 Speaker 2: can splinters that you know, they ingest and the comprest 95 00:06:13,360 --> 00:06:15,920 Speaker 2: real problem exactly, they can cause real digestive problems, if 96 00:06:15,960 --> 00:06:19,040 Speaker 2: not outright choking or you know, death. I'm sorry to 97 00:06:19,080 --> 00:06:21,760 Speaker 2: hear that, Ben, but it's true. It wasn't really so 98 00:06:21,880 --> 00:06:25,800 Speaker 2: much of a front of mine thing, this idea of 99 00:06:25,880 --> 00:06:28,200 Speaker 2: like what should we feed the dogs so that they 100 00:06:28,200 --> 00:06:31,320 Speaker 2: can flourish. It was literally they were like the the 101 00:06:31,400 --> 00:06:34,000 Speaker 2: pig in the flintstones that was under the garbage, that 102 00:06:34,040 --> 00:06:35,520 Speaker 2: was acting as the garbage disposal. 103 00:06:36,160 --> 00:06:43,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, if we go back to two thousand BCE, we 104 00:06:43,720 --> 00:06:49,240 Speaker 1: see the first published or documented recipe for what we 105 00:06:49,279 --> 00:06:53,799 Speaker 1: would call dog food. It is a Roman farming manual 106 00:06:54,760 --> 00:07:01,039 Speaker 1: during this time. Look, your dogs are not your furry compagons. Instead, 107 00:07:01,279 --> 00:07:05,880 Speaker 1: they're sort of like indentured servants. Well, if we're putting 108 00:07:05,920 --> 00:07:10,640 Speaker 1: it honestly, they're like slaves. They're meant to herd livestock, 109 00:07:11,320 --> 00:07:15,800 Speaker 1: protect the sheep and goats and whatnot from predators. And 110 00:07:16,200 --> 00:07:20,960 Speaker 1: the Romans said, hey, we got to feed these pooches 111 00:07:21,400 --> 00:07:26,240 Speaker 1: so they can do a good job for protecting our investment. 112 00:07:26,720 --> 00:07:30,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, pretty relatively for the time. Smart fellow by the 113 00:07:30,440 --> 00:07:35,080 Speaker 2: name of Marcus Terentius Varro in his manual Farm Topics, 114 00:07:35,160 --> 00:07:40,600 Speaker 2: which sounds like a podcast, Linda Richmond, whatever can we host? 115 00:07:40,760 --> 00:07:42,280 Speaker 1: Can we make farm topics? 116 00:07:42,360 --> 00:07:45,640 Speaker 2: I don't know that we're a subject matter experts enough 117 00:07:46,400 --> 00:07:51,280 Speaker 2: in the ways of agriculture. But Marcus was at least 118 00:07:51,280 --> 00:07:54,400 Speaker 2: to a degree, and he had opinions that some of 119 00:07:54,440 --> 00:07:57,520 Speaker 2: which still track to this day. In terms of dog nutrition, 120 00:07:57,680 --> 00:07:59,560 Speaker 2: he said, the food of dogs is more like that 121 00:07:59,600 --> 00:08:03,160 Speaker 2: of man check than that of sheep. You could or 122 00:08:03,200 --> 00:08:07,120 Speaker 2: should rather feed them barley bread, however, not without soaking 123 00:08:07,160 --> 00:08:10,200 Speaker 2: it in milk, I guess to soften it up. They're 124 00:08:10,240 --> 00:08:12,720 Speaker 2: also fed on a bone soup, and this is the 125 00:08:12,760 --> 00:08:15,360 Speaker 2: part that gives me the willies, or even broken bones 126 00:08:15,920 --> 00:08:20,200 Speaker 2: as well. And now you know, we do see bone 127 00:08:20,800 --> 00:08:24,400 Speaker 2: stand in materials, raw hides, etc. That they do say 128 00:08:24,400 --> 00:08:26,640 Speaker 2: are good for the dog's teeth, to make them stronger. 129 00:08:27,240 --> 00:08:29,560 Speaker 2: But broken bones is a bad idea, even if it 130 00:08:29,600 --> 00:08:32,640 Speaker 2: wouldn't be an immediate issue. It might even be like 131 00:08:32,679 --> 00:08:34,960 Speaker 2: something that would you know, it's like eating ground up 132 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:37,640 Speaker 2: glass or something. You might not die right away, but 133 00:08:37,720 --> 00:08:38,559 Speaker 2: over time. 134 00:08:38,600 --> 00:08:40,679 Speaker 1: It's not going to be good for your guts and 135 00:08:40,800 --> 00:08:44,800 Speaker 1: overtime is a great point here because our pal Marcus 136 00:08:44,840 --> 00:08:52,360 Speaker 1: also notes that hungry dogs are not only physically less 137 00:08:52,440 --> 00:08:58,400 Speaker 1: capable of protecting the flock, but they are also less trustworthy. 138 00:08:58,920 --> 00:09:03,200 Speaker 1: If you have ever traveled to a part of the 139 00:09:03,240 --> 00:09:06,760 Speaker 1: world that has a bunch of stray dogs, you've seen this. 140 00:09:07,040 --> 00:09:12,240 Speaker 1: A hungry dog does feel cornered, just like a hungry human. 141 00:09:12,520 --> 00:09:17,680 Speaker 1: It might bite its the things it treats as friends. 142 00:09:18,120 --> 00:09:25,560 Speaker 1: It also might betray its one north star it's guiding principle, 143 00:09:25,760 --> 00:09:29,480 Speaker 1: which is to protect the flock of sheep or goats. 144 00:09:29,640 --> 00:09:32,040 Speaker 1: It might just eat one because it's hungry. 145 00:09:32,280 --> 00:09:34,720 Speaker 2: This is where the old expression don't bite the hand 146 00:09:34,720 --> 00:09:38,000 Speaker 2: that feeds you has to have come from. Varro did 147 00:09:38,000 --> 00:09:41,240 Speaker 2: advise against feeding dogs the meat of sheep lest they 148 00:09:41,320 --> 00:09:44,040 Speaker 2: get a taste for it. You know, definitely don't want them. 149 00:09:44,360 --> 00:09:46,480 Speaker 2: I don't know. You know, a hungry dog is going 150 00:09:46,559 --> 00:09:49,920 Speaker 2: to probably go for a sheep, as you know, a 151 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:53,040 Speaker 2: hungry cat will eat the eyes of its owner left 152 00:09:53,280 --> 00:09:55,079 Speaker 2: without food for long enough. 153 00:09:56,360 --> 00:10:02,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, and Romans still were human, right, despite being great 154 00:10:02,679 --> 00:10:08,400 Speaker 1: plagiarist of the Greeks. They understood that the way you 155 00:10:09,280 --> 00:10:13,720 Speaker 1: win affection with your doggo is to give them a 156 00:10:13,760 --> 00:10:18,960 Speaker 1: little treat. So our buddy Marcus describes a good old 157 00:10:19,040 --> 00:10:24,280 Speaker 1: fashioned bone as kind of like a frozen peanut butter 158 00:10:24,440 --> 00:10:28,000 Speaker 1: kong toy. You know, let them chew it and then 159 00:10:28,160 --> 00:10:31,360 Speaker 1: get the marrow Inside's. 160 00:10:30,400 --> 00:10:33,120 Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, that's it's for sure. It's nature's cong toy. 161 00:10:33,440 --> 00:10:36,240 Speaker 2: Their jaws, he said, are spread with greater force, and 162 00:10:36,280 --> 00:10:39,679 Speaker 2: the savor of the marrow makes them more keen. 163 00:10:40,440 --> 00:10:46,080 Speaker 1: So where does the shift from employee nonhuman to pet 164 00:10:46,679 --> 00:10:52,240 Speaker 1: companion occur? We know that by the fourteenth century CE, 165 00:10:54,400 --> 00:10:59,880 Speaker 1: really rich people started having great romance with their hunting 166 00:11:00,160 --> 00:11:05,599 Speaker 1: and hawking dogs. If we're talking about you know, greyhounds, pointers, 167 00:11:05,880 --> 00:11:09,920 Speaker 1: English setters. If you go to folks like and I 168 00:11:09,960 --> 00:11:13,319 Speaker 1: can't believe this is still the real guy's name. If 169 00:11:13,320 --> 00:11:17,360 Speaker 1: you go to folks like the French Aristo, Count Guston 170 00:11:17,920 --> 00:11:22,200 Speaker 1: the Third, then you see he wrote a hunting guide 171 00:11:23,120 --> 00:11:27,880 Speaker 1: that says dogs have to get a little bit of 172 00:11:28,000 --> 00:11:32,600 Speaker 1: brand bread and meat from a hunt, and if they're sick, 173 00:11:32,720 --> 00:11:34,160 Speaker 1: you have to take care of them. 174 00:11:35,200 --> 00:11:38,880 Speaker 2: Cool check. He also says they should have more nutritious 175 00:11:38,920 --> 00:11:43,319 Speaker 2: foods like bean broth, buttered eggs, on goat's milk. 176 00:11:43,640 --> 00:11:46,000 Speaker 1: I'm super into all three of them. 177 00:11:46,080 --> 00:11:50,079 Speaker 2: Bullish on buttered eggs and goat's milk for sure. Meanwhile, 178 00:11:50,200 --> 00:11:54,320 Speaker 2: in the medieval Islamic world, they also were starting to 179 00:11:54,320 --> 00:11:58,440 Speaker 2: get some ideas around dog nutrition. Medievalist Nat pointed out 180 00:11:58,480 --> 00:12:02,960 Speaker 2: that the Islamic world had this concept of dogs being 181 00:12:03,200 --> 00:12:07,360 Speaker 2: considered unclean animals and therefore that they should not be 182 00:12:07,520 --> 00:12:12,440 Speaker 2: kept as pets. However, people with financial means still had 183 00:12:12,480 --> 00:12:17,760 Speaker 2: them around for hunting, for safety and for animal hurting. 184 00:12:18,400 --> 00:12:23,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, according to the Arab boffins at the time, during 185 00:12:23,720 --> 00:12:27,280 Speaker 1: the fall and winter months, dogs should only be fed 186 00:12:27,360 --> 00:12:31,679 Speaker 1: once a day around sunset. Otherwise the dogs will not 187 00:12:31,800 --> 00:12:35,480 Speaker 1: be fit enough when the hunt begins the next morning. 188 00:12:35,679 --> 00:12:38,880 Speaker 1: So the idea is that you can't feed them too 189 00:12:38,960 --> 00:12:43,600 Speaker 1: much because they'll get lazy if it is. However, the 190 00:12:43,800 --> 00:12:47,200 Speaker 1: hotter time of the year spring and summer, dogs have 191 00:12:47,320 --> 00:12:52,800 Speaker 1: to get fed little snacks, small portions several times a day, 192 00:12:53,320 --> 00:12:56,760 Speaker 1: usually meat soaked in beef soup. 193 00:12:57,400 --> 00:13:02,199 Speaker 2: Maybe a little bread and milk, meat soaked in beef soup. 194 00:13:02,240 --> 00:13:04,040 Speaker 2: That's kind of putting a hat on a hat. There, 195 00:13:04,120 --> 00:13:05,240 Speaker 2: isn't it very much? 196 00:13:05,280 --> 00:13:08,920 Speaker 1: So yeah, and it would also need to be served 197 00:13:09,280 --> 00:13:12,640 Speaker 1: not piping hot. It's got to be tepid or cold, 198 00:13:12,720 --> 00:13:17,400 Speaker 1: because otherwise, according again to the boffins of the time, 199 00:13:17,960 --> 00:13:20,400 Speaker 1: if you feed them hot stuff, they're gonna throw it up. 200 00:13:20,640 --> 00:13:31,600 Speaker 2: Okay jack. So unfortunately, though, back in Europe, some dog 201 00:13:31,840 --> 00:13:37,760 Speaker 2: owners were folks with very little means. They weren't able to, 202 00:13:38,240 --> 00:13:42,000 Speaker 2: you know, treat the nutrition of their dogs with much priority. 203 00:13:42,320 --> 00:13:44,920 Speaker 1: Am I gonna feed my human children? Or am I 204 00:13:44,960 --> 00:13:46,160 Speaker 1: gonna feed the dogs? 205 00:13:47,760 --> 00:13:50,199 Speaker 2: So we had all kinds of gnarly things happening around 206 00:13:50,200 --> 00:13:53,800 Speaker 2: this time, including plagues, famine, or goot poisoning, just to 207 00:13:53,880 --> 00:13:58,040 Speaker 2: name a few. So we are talking about at the 208 00:13:58,200 --> 00:14:03,439 Speaker 2: very very most dogs getting fed table scraps, bits of bone, 209 00:14:04,160 --> 00:14:08,520 Speaker 2: leftover trimmings of cabbages and beans, and you know, the 210 00:14:08,559 --> 00:14:12,920 Speaker 2: most discarded bits like crusts of bread. I love a 211 00:14:12,960 --> 00:14:14,960 Speaker 2: crust of bread, by the way, you love a crust. 212 00:14:15,320 --> 00:14:17,760 Speaker 2: I know that about you. I know you will never 213 00:14:17,880 --> 00:14:19,840 Speaker 2: ever would I have a crust cut off of my 214 00:14:19,880 --> 00:14:21,280 Speaker 2: PBNJ No. 215 00:14:21,680 --> 00:14:26,040 Speaker 1: I mean, just think of the time, so edihow we 216 00:14:26,200 --> 00:14:30,120 Speaker 1: know that if we fast forward from the ancient eras 217 00:14:30,280 --> 00:14:36,440 Speaker 1: to eighteen sixty, we meet a businessman named James Spratt. 218 00:14:36,680 --> 00:14:44,800 Speaker 1: Spr Att he introduces the first dogg o snack dog biscuit. 219 00:14:45,560 --> 00:14:51,080 Speaker 1: It's the Industrial Revolution, which as we know, began in 220 00:14:51,240 --> 00:14:56,880 Speaker 1: England coincided with the reign of Queen Victoria. Right before 221 00:14:56,960 --> 00:15:04,720 Speaker 1: the Industrial Revolution, to your earlier point, England was mainly divided, 222 00:15:05,040 --> 00:15:11,040 Speaker 1: right in a cartoonish a cartoonish study of wealth disparity. 223 00:15:11,400 --> 00:15:16,640 Speaker 1: There was a society of lower class farmers most of 224 00:15:16,680 --> 00:15:21,840 Speaker 1: the people, and then a very tiny easy bit of 225 00:15:22,120 --> 00:15:25,080 Speaker 1: upper class aristos. 226 00:15:24,480 --> 00:15:26,200 Speaker 2: Of the one percent, of the one percent, of the 227 00:15:26,240 --> 00:15:31,320 Speaker 2: one percent of the one percent, the percent of no 228 00:15:31,360 --> 00:15:37,840 Speaker 2: middle class to speak of, not really until modern businesses factories, right, 229 00:15:37,960 --> 00:15:43,520 Speaker 2: they create a mercantile middle class. Now you got secretaries, 230 00:15:43,520 --> 00:15:48,320 Speaker 2: you got accountants, middle managers, middle managers, you have artisans. 231 00:15:48,880 --> 00:15:53,440 Speaker 2: This is a new rank of consumers and they come 232 00:15:53,760 --> 00:15:58,840 Speaker 2: with a little bit of disposable income, so maybe they 233 00:15:58,880 --> 00:16:03,600 Speaker 2: can feed their pooches a bit better. And of course 234 00:16:03,600 --> 00:16:06,600 Speaker 2: it opened up a whole new market in terms of 235 00:16:06,680 --> 00:16:12,160 Speaker 2: more bespoke numb numbs for our furry children. I love 236 00:16:12,240 --> 00:16:17,040 Speaker 2: numb numbsies. I love the name that we're about to 237 00:16:17,080 --> 00:16:19,400 Speaker 2: reveal to you, folks. Economists. 238 00:16:20,040 --> 00:16:25,080 Speaker 1: This is real name though, n f R Craft, how 239 00:16:25,160 --> 00:16:29,880 Speaker 1: many how many initials should a person be allowed to 240 00:16:29,960 --> 00:16:31,080 Speaker 1: have in their name? 241 00:16:31,520 --> 00:16:36,440 Speaker 2: I'm gonna say three. Cool, well just made it, n 242 00:16:36,440 --> 00:16:36,680 Speaker 2: f R. 243 00:16:38,080 --> 00:16:40,040 Speaker 1: This guy is right at your threshold. 244 00:16:40,080 --> 00:16:42,360 Speaker 2: I know, I know, I was gonna say two, but 245 00:16:42,560 --> 00:16:44,600 Speaker 2: I don't know. N f nfr Craft, he just won 246 00:16:44,640 --> 00:16:47,440 Speaker 2: you over. He did win me over. He also went 247 00:16:47,480 --> 00:16:51,880 Speaker 2: over the British crown with his with his stats. 248 00:16:52,240 --> 00:16:56,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, he found that British income as a result of 249 00:16:56,560 --> 00:17:02,400 Speaker 1: the Industrial Revolution rose per per from about four hundred 250 00:17:02,480 --> 00:17:08,320 Speaker 1: dollars adjusted for inflation in seventeen sixty to four hundred 251 00:17:08,359 --> 00:17:12,760 Speaker 1: and thirty dollars in eighteen hundred. So people are making 252 00:17:13,720 --> 00:17:18,159 Speaker 1: something like thirty more actual dollars. And then if you 253 00:17:18,240 --> 00:17:23,159 Speaker 1: go to eighteen thirty, our pal Nfrcraft finds that this 254 00:17:23,280 --> 00:17:28,800 Speaker 1: income has risen to five hundred dollars equivalent in eighteen thirty, 255 00:17:29,160 --> 00:17:33,920 Speaker 1: and then by eighteen sixty, buddy, it jumps to eight 256 00:17:34,040 --> 00:17:39,520 Speaker 1: hundred dollars actual income. We're not gonna we're not going 257 00:17:39,600 --> 00:17:46,480 Speaker 1: to do the inflation calculator, Shenanigan, because Georgetown Law already 258 00:17:46,560 --> 00:17:47,360 Speaker 1: did it for us. 259 00:17:47,520 --> 00:17:49,720 Speaker 2: They sure did. Yeah, and this is a big deal 260 00:17:49,800 --> 00:17:52,600 Speaker 2: for doggos because all of that disposable income and their 261 00:17:52,640 --> 00:17:56,359 Speaker 2: owners could afford to feed them, you know a little 262 00:17:56,359 --> 00:17:59,960 Speaker 2: bit more. And like I was saying earlier bespokenly, which 263 00:18:00,119 --> 00:18:04,840 Speaker 2: created a demand. So another win for dogs that this 264 00:18:04,960 --> 00:18:07,720 Speaker 2: new middle class brought around would be the fact that 265 00:18:07,760 --> 00:18:12,600 Speaker 2: it didn't necessarily specialize in manual labor, so that they 266 00:18:12,720 --> 00:18:17,399 Speaker 2: didn't need the dogs anymore to herd the animals to 267 00:18:17,880 --> 00:18:21,640 Speaker 2: you know, turn the meat spits. Yeah. 268 00:18:21,800 --> 00:18:24,879 Speaker 1: Now they're just hanging out and they're saying, where's my 269 00:18:25,480 --> 00:18:30,159 Speaker 1: slice of Rabbi? And this is where our pal James 270 00:18:30,280 --> 00:18:34,919 Speaker 1: Spratt enters the stage. He is Spratt enters the chat 271 00:18:35,320 --> 00:18:38,679 Speaker 1: Spratt in the chat Chat Spratt, Spratt chat a. 272 00:18:38,960 --> 00:18:41,879 Speaker 2: Fat that is a fact. 273 00:18:42,240 --> 00:18:46,720 Speaker 1: He is based in Cincinnati, Ohio in the sense, and 274 00:18:47,800 --> 00:18:53,000 Speaker 1: he is traveling often across the pond to England for work. 275 00:18:53,640 --> 00:18:58,679 Speaker 1: And because he's traveling all the time, he's similar to 276 00:18:59,000 --> 00:19:02,600 Speaker 1: folks like us. He always finds himself in his version 277 00:19:03,240 --> 00:19:06,439 Speaker 1: of an airport and he sits around and he people 278 00:19:06,480 --> 00:19:11,040 Speaker 1: watches and the dwarf at the wharf, and while he 279 00:19:11,320 --> 00:19:15,639 Speaker 1: is at the fourth shout out to star Trek, he 280 00:19:15,800 --> 00:19:21,080 Speaker 1: sees sailors hanging out with stray dogs, and they're feeding 281 00:19:21,200 --> 00:19:26,320 Speaker 1: these dogs something we would call pemmican or hard attack. 282 00:19:26,480 --> 00:19:29,840 Speaker 2: Ship biscuits, ship biscuits, stuff that wouldn't rot because it 283 00:19:29,960 --> 00:19:33,679 Speaker 2: was basically like borderline, not even food, you know, I 284 00:19:33,680 --> 00:19:38,200 Speaker 2: mean the level of density that these things were about pure, 285 00:19:38,480 --> 00:19:41,480 Speaker 2: just like get some calories. There is no flavor to 286 00:19:41,480 --> 00:19:42,639 Speaker 2: speak of. Dude. 287 00:19:42,680 --> 00:19:47,800 Speaker 1: Also for all of us, why does it sound like 288 00:19:47,960 --> 00:19:52,040 Speaker 1: a perfect British insult to call someone a ship biscuit? 289 00:19:52,400 --> 00:19:55,760 Speaker 2: Ship you ship biscuit? I love that. 290 00:19:56,560 --> 00:19:59,560 Speaker 1: I think it's kind of good. Melfeelike it even. 291 00:19:59,440 --> 00:20:01,480 Speaker 2: More of the way it's actually printed in the research 292 00:20:01,640 --> 00:20:05,080 Speaker 2: It was a ship's biscuit, like a you know, the 293 00:20:05,119 --> 00:20:06,000 Speaker 2: biscuit of the ship. 294 00:20:06,520 --> 00:20:09,159 Speaker 1: You shut your mouth, you're a ship's biscuit. 295 00:20:08,920 --> 00:20:12,720 Speaker 2: Ship's biscuit. I don't give a ship's biscuit about that. 296 00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:15,360 Speaker 2: I won't ship a biscuit. 297 00:20:15,960 --> 00:20:20,359 Speaker 1: So James Spratt says, oh my gosh, look at these 298 00:20:20,760 --> 00:20:25,960 Speaker 1: adorable stray dogs. They're loving this stuff. Also, I should 299 00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:28,879 Speaker 1: make some money from it, and this is where he 300 00:20:29,080 --> 00:20:34,199 Speaker 1: comes up with his banger idea. One of the first 301 00:20:34,440 --> 00:20:40,320 Speaker 1: commercialized dog o treats. The name didn't age. Well, the 302 00:20:40,400 --> 00:20:45,040 Speaker 1: name is Sprat's patent meal fabrine dog Cakes. 303 00:20:45,720 --> 00:20:47,320 Speaker 2: I think you needed to take that one back to 304 00:20:47,359 --> 00:20:49,000 Speaker 2: the wood shop a little bit. 305 00:20:49,040 --> 00:20:51,639 Speaker 1: Yeah, a little briefer, but you know, we do a 306 00:20:51,680 --> 00:20:54,000 Speaker 1: show called stuff they don't want you to know, so 307 00:20:54,160 --> 00:20:54,720 Speaker 1: that's true. 308 00:20:54,720 --> 00:20:57,640 Speaker 2: But I think that is objectively better than Spratt's patent 309 00:20:57,840 --> 00:21:01,320 Speaker 2: meal fabric. I can't even say it out loud, s 310 00:21:01,400 --> 00:21:05,919 Speaker 2: pm FDC. It was the recipe. We do love a blend, 311 00:21:06,080 --> 00:21:07,240 Speaker 2: and it was a blend. 312 00:21:08,040 --> 00:21:13,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a mix of sweet meals, vegetables, beetroot and 313 00:21:13,600 --> 00:21:14,399 Speaker 1: beef blood. 314 00:21:14,600 --> 00:21:19,080 Speaker 2: Hell yeah, nice go sign from Nola that one. I 315 00:21:19,119 --> 00:21:22,760 Speaker 2: do love some beef blood. They were super popular with 316 00:21:22,840 --> 00:21:26,280 Speaker 2: the English who fed them to their hunting dogs. 317 00:21:26,960 --> 00:21:31,159 Speaker 1: And by eighteen eighty one, our pwell Sprat patents his 318 00:21:31,359 --> 00:21:34,240 Speaker 1: product here in the United States. 319 00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:37,560 Speaker 2: So he goes with a bit of a name change. 320 00:21:37,600 --> 00:21:40,720 Speaker 2: He did. He took our advice in the past. Yeah, 321 00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:42,119 Speaker 2: I took it to the wood shop and came up 322 00:21:42,160 --> 00:21:46,920 Speaker 2: with Sprat's Dogcakes and Puppy Biscuits. Oh beautiful. Yes. 323 00:21:47,600 --> 00:21:54,040 Speaker 1: He also takes advantage of the boom in the printing press, right, 324 00:21:54,160 --> 00:22:00,239 Speaker 1: so he takes out magazine ads and he starts to right, 325 00:22:00,320 --> 00:22:06,439 Speaker 1: directly to dog lover institutions like the American Kennel Club. 326 00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:09,359 Speaker 2: Right. He's also doing direct mail work because at the 327 00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:13,840 Speaker 2: bottom of this handbill and or magazine, you know, advert, 328 00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:16,800 Speaker 2: it says here we shall be pleased to send free 329 00:22:16,840 --> 00:22:20,920 Speaker 2: samples of foods suitable for your dog. All you gotta 330 00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:24,479 Speaker 2: do is state the breed. Sprat's Patent limited twenty four 331 00:22:24,480 --> 00:22:27,520 Speaker 2: to twenty five Finchurch Street, London, ec. 332 00:22:28,440 --> 00:22:34,040 Speaker 1: I think it's a little bit to eugenic friendly to 333 00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:36,880 Speaker 1: me to say, state the breed. 334 00:22:36,760 --> 00:22:39,880 Speaker 2: State your breed. Can you give us a little bit 335 00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:43,360 Speaker 2: more of the promised or the important points that he's 336 00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:47,200 Speaker 2: trying to use to sell the public on his miraculous 337 00:22:48,040 --> 00:22:48,919 Speaker 2: dog feed. 338 00:22:49,040 --> 00:22:53,120 Speaker 1: Perfect nourishmental frame and body because they are made from 339 00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:57,560 Speaker 1: our pure meat, fibrines, selected wheat meals and etc. 340 00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:00,200 Speaker 2: It's made up word or I don't know, I don't 341 00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:02,760 Speaker 2: know about fibrine. Oh I love this, and a lot 342 00:23:02,800 --> 00:23:04,479 Speaker 2: of these are still used to this day. Ben the 343 00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:07,960 Speaker 2: idea of a full and glossy coat because. 344 00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:13,080 Speaker 1: The blood is fully nourished and renewed stamina. And then 345 00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:18,040 Speaker 1: because good wholesome food gives good health and vigor spoon 346 00:23:18,119 --> 00:23:22,720 Speaker 1: your way to health, vitim meter, vegimin for dogs, perfect 347 00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:26,600 Speaker 1: cleansing of the teeth because they are well back baked, 348 00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:31,240 Speaker 1: excuse me, and compel the dog to gnaw love a gnaw. Yeah, 349 00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:33,840 Speaker 1: they're talking about the biscuits, not the dog's teeth. 350 00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:36,639 Speaker 2: And again a lot of these things very much the 351 00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:38,640 Speaker 2: same kind of things you see today. With these dog 352 00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:40,800 Speaker 2: biscuits that are all about they're a little bit on 353 00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:43,800 Speaker 2: the tough side because the dog doesn't just you know, 354 00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:46,240 Speaker 2: munch them down in one go. They got to chew 355 00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:46,560 Speaker 2: on them. 356 00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:50,879 Speaker 1: Yeah, you gotta put the work in for the reward. Also, 357 00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:55,000 Speaker 1: I think our mutual favorite thing in all capital letters 358 00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:59,040 Speaker 1: is freedom from all objectionable odors. 359 00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:02,440 Speaker 2: Now, and I little bs on or should I say ds. 360 00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:06,200 Speaker 2: They get a specific smell though, well for sure, and 361 00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:08,560 Speaker 2: I don't know man. Dog poop is dog poop no 362 00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:10,760 Speaker 2: matter what kind of food they eat. If you feed 363 00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:13,600 Speaker 2: your dog, they say, with sprats, meat fibrine, dog cakes, 364 00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:16,879 Speaker 2: you give the very best biscuit procurable, You do the 365 00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:20,040 Speaker 2: very best thing for your dog, and you get the 366 00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:22,080 Speaker 2: very best value for your money. 367 00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:28,639 Speaker 1: Insist on sprats, only sprats, nothing but spratt dog cakes. 368 00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:31,840 Speaker 1: For your dog's sake and for your own. 369 00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:36,119 Speaker 2: Insist on sprats. Insist on sprats. Nothing but sprats. There 370 00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:37,359 Speaker 2: will only be sprats fun. 371 00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:40,600 Speaker 1: I know, like I'm picturing I'm picturing someone at a 372 00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:45,240 Speaker 1: general store, like the thing that inspired Cracker Barrel, and 373 00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:48,760 Speaker 1: someone's like, oh, we've got these other dog biscuits, and 374 00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:52,200 Speaker 1: they slap it into the air. I'm a dapper dan man, 375 00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:56,440 Speaker 1: I'm a dapper dan man. Are you using my hair treatment? 376 00:24:56,720 --> 00:25:06,800 Speaker 1: Are you asking me not to give my dog sprats? 377 00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:12,960 Speaker 1: So the public loves this, and now they're primed to 378 00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:20,040 Speaker 1: buy specialized dog food, which launches a thousand ships of industry. 379 00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:25,280 Speaker 1: We gotta talk about nineteen twenty two NL someone saw 380 00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:29,960 Speaker 1: the biscuit and then someone said, let's get in on 381 00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:31,480 Speaker 1: this and make some coin. 382 00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:34,840 Speaker 2: We're quickly approaching the moment we get to in all 383 00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:37,560 Speaker 2: of these stories about a thing that is now ubiquitous, 384 00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:40,720 Speaker 2: where we hear about when the big one kind of 385 00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:44,240 Speaker 2: enters on the ground floor. Right, Yeah, nobody really hears 386 00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:47,640 Speaker 2: about sprats anymore, unfortunately. But before we get to that one, 387 00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:51,040 Speaker 2: we do have maybe one more lesser known hit with 388 00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:55,120 Speaker 2: a fabulous name. Oh Zullus, Oh it's ken l ration, 389 00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:57,800 Speaker 2: I believe, and maybe I'm mistaken, but I don't know 390 00:25:57,840 --> 00:26:01,800 Speaker 2: about this one still being on pet store shelves to 391 00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:04,239 Speaker 2: this day. But maybe it's a specialty. It was, in 392 00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:06,840 Speaker 2: fact at the time, though made with only the highest 393 00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:08,840 Speaker 2: quality of horse meat. Yeah. 394 00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:14,040 Speaker 1: By the mid nineteen thirties, fifty thousand horses per year 395 00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:17,600 Speaker 1: are slaughtered to make the product, and by the way, 396 00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:21,680 Speaker 1: their hoofs ended up being glue. It's nineteen forty one. 397 00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:26,400 Speaker 1: If we fast forward, can dog food dominates the fancy 398 00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:32,000 Speaker 1: doggo market. But Uncle Sam, as a result of World 399 00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:37,000 Speaker 1: War Two, starts rationing tin and meat, and this means 400 00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:41,920 Speaker 1: that dry dog food takes that King of the Hill 401 00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:47,160 Speaker 1: spot and ken El rations kind of go the way 402 00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:52,639 Speaker 1: of the Dodo. It's tough to make quality dog food 403 00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:54,399 Speaker 1: consistently at this time. 404 00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:55,760 Speaker 2: A lot of. 405 00:26:55,920 --> 00:27:02,440 Speaker 1: Dog owners are really po about the texture, the appearance, 406 00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:06,879 Speaker 1: and the inconsistency of dry dog food, the stuff we 407 00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:08,359 Speaker 1: would call kibble. 408 00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:10,879 Speaker 2: Until this is what I was teasing. Sorry I did 409 00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:13,320 Speaker 2: it a little prematurely, But in nineteen fifty we have 410 00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:17,440 Speaker 2: the big dogs entering the chats, the ones that are 411 00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:19,840 Speaker 2: still around this day. And if I'm not mistaken, like 412 00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:23,520 Speaker 2: they sponsor all kinds of dog shows and things like that. 413 00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:27,959 Speaker 2: It's huge dynasty of pet food, the Ralston Purina company, 414 00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:29,960 Speaker 2: which I did not know this ben because I associate 415 00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:33,560 Speaker 2: this with another brand entirely. I believe Kellogg's the maker 416 00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:37,480 Speaker 2: of checks Cereal, which was made Yeah I love a 417 00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:39,879 Speaker 2: Check's mix. I do love a check Cereal, which was 418 00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:42,040 Speaker 2: made using an extruder. 419 00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:48,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, cooking extruder. They started using this to make 420 00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:55,600 Speaker 1: their checks cereal. And honestly, folks, we're big Cereal fans. 421 00:27:55,640 --> 00:28:00,920 Speaker 1: Max's dad loves Cereal in particular, but we can all 422 00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:05,520 Speaker 1: admit I think here in twenty twenty five that Cereal 423 00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:08,520 Speaker 1: is kind of like dry dog food for humans. In 424 00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:13,160 Speaker 1: its commercial version, they would push these ingredients or this 425 00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:17,520 Speaker 1: mixture through a tube, cook it under high pressure, puff 426 00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:21,760 Speaker 1: it up with air. This is what allows Checks to 427 00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:27,600 Speaker 1: stay crispy in milk. And so this company has already 428 00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:31,840 Speaker 1: figured out the technology, right, and that informs them or 429 00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:36,000 Speaker 1: inspires them to launch Purina dog Chow in. 430 00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:38,920 Speaker 2: Nineteen fifty six. I still think it's so weird. To 431 00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:43,240 Speaker 2: this day, it still seems relatively normal and even to 432 00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:47,800 Speaker 2: me kind of yummy to put dried cereal checks in milk. 433 00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:50,680 Speaker 2: It's a weird thing that was sold to us by 434 00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:53,480 Speaker 2: an industry that we just kind of come to accept. 435 00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:55,800 Speaker 2: You know, it's unusual. I can't think of anything else 436 00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:58,640 Speaker 2: you'd eat floating in a vat of milk. 437 00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:03,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean maybe noodles, depending on where people are from. 438 00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:06,280 Speaker 1: But also I love that you're pointing this out, because 439 00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:13,080 Speaker 1: let us remember, not too too long ago, the Romans 440 00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:15,720 Speaker 1: said you gotta soak the bread and the milk. 441 00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:19,280 Speaker 2: That's true to feed the dogs. Yeah, in the same 442 00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:24,440 Speaker 2: food pyramid column as bread. Yeah, I'm mistaken. It's no 443 00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:27,560 Speaker 2: longer a pyramid, I believe. I believe now it's a plate. Yeah. 444 00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:31,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, and the food pyramid was definitely a grift. 445 00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:32,160 Speaker 2: Anyway. 446 00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:39,560 Speaker 1: The main ingredient in Purina dog child's first iteration is corn, 447 00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:44,800 Speaker 1: and dog owners dog friends don't love it. This is 448 00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:49,240 Speaker 1: why we see stuff in the nineteen seventies like Hills 449 00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:57,000 Speaker 1: and Neutro too, brands that purport to feed your canine 450 00:29:57,000 --> 00:30:00,400 Speaker 1: family member a more nutritious fair. 451 00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:03,800 Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, I guess that. Why didn't they like corn? 452 00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:05,280 Speaker 2: Do you think? I don't know? 453 00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:09,000 Speaker 1: I don't know why they didn't like corn? Corn's not 454 00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:12,080 Speaker 1: that bad. I don't know, it's just it doesn't have 455 00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:12,560 Speaker 1: the meat. 456 00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:16,480 Speaker 3: I could jump in here. Traditionally, dogs can't really digest corn. 457 00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:19,440 Speaker 3: I mean, I know cats can't. It's a filler. 458 00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:24,120 Speaker 1: Mostly people can't really digest corn. 459 00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:26,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good point. Also, Oh yeah, we do 460 00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:28,400 Speaker 2: see the little nibblets in the never mind, we don't 461 00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:30,800 Speaker 2: have to go there. We're talking about. So by this 462 00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:35,120 Speaker 2: point it was absolutely, you know, passe or unpopular. It 463 00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:39,000 Speaker 2: was not considered to be good etiquette with your pets 464 00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:41,560 Speaker 2: to feed them table scraps. It was no longer considered 465 00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:46,400 Speaker 2: a good option. So brands like this continued to sort 466 00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:47,760 Speaker 2: of further that notion. 467 00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:53,360 Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, The idea here is that if you really 468 00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:57,880 Speaker 1: love your pooch, you are going to go a step beyond. 469 00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:01,160 Speaker 1: You are not going to go the grocery store and 470 00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:05,200 Speaker 1: pick up whatever is on the bottom shelf of aisle eleven. 471 00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:09,520 Speaker 1: You are going to pay extra for things like neutro. 472 00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:15,480 Speaker 1: They are recommended by veterinarians, dog groomers, et cetera, et cetera. 473 00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:21,720 Speaker 1: There is a calculated scarcity to this, and as our 474 00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:28,600 Speaker 1: research associate Ren points out here, the main grift of 475 00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:32,480 Speaker 1: dog food as we know it today is a culmination 476 00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:38,640 Speaker 1: of ridiculous history. It's a marketing ploy for centuries and 477 00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:45,400 Speaker 1: centuries and centuries, it was totally fine to feed your 478 00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:47,120 Speaker 1: dog table scraps well. 479 00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:48,480 Speaker 2: And not to mention, I mean a lot of the 480 00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:53,960 Speaker 2: even the most persnickety dog owners make their own food 481 00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:56,480 Speaker 2: for their rugs, like your pops you were talking about, Ben. 482 00:31:56,520 --> 00:31:59,960 Speaker 2: I mean, I've fed Apollo some little pieces of steak 483 00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:03,280 Speaker 2: and he absolutely loved it, and it was didn't go 484 00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:07,080 Speaker 2: down weird. He you know, used the bathroom just like normally. 485 00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:10,640 Speaker 2: And a lot of folks that make these mixes they'll 486 00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:14,240 Speaker 2: put vegetables in there, they'll put different herbs in barley 487 00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:15,760 Speaker 2: and a lot of the things they were talking about 488 00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:18,760 Speaker 2: back in the earliest days. So but it doesn't really 489 00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:21,080 Speaker 2: behoove the industry if you're not out there buying the 490 00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:24,959 Speaker 2: fifty pound bags of kibble, right, just probably is more 491 00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:27,800 Speaker 2: affordable in the long run if you're taking the things 492 00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:30,120 Speaker 2: that you eat at home and not feeding them scraps, 493 00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:32,520 Speaker 2: but using bits of it to maybe make your own 494 00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:33,160 Speaker 2: dog food. 495 00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:38,600 Speaker 1: I mean, look, there are some rules, right, no bone shards, 496 00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:44,000 Speaker 1: no chocolate, you know, but your dog is a pack animal. 497 00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:49,360 Speaker 1: So if it sees what you're eating, it wants to participate, right, And. 498 00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:53,200 Speaker 2: I know it's certainly possible that we'll have some dog 499 00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:55,520 Speaker 2: parents out there that might disagree with that. We'd love 500 00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:57,640 Speaker 2: to hear from you and what your thoughts are around 501 00:32:57,840 --> 00:33:01,280 Speaker 2: the dog food industry and what do you feed your doggoes, 502 00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:03,080 Speaker 2: I think we all like to know. 503 00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:08,400 Speaker 1: And we also want pictures of your dogs as unreservedly, 504 00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:15,160 Speaker 1: unapologetically we are fans of man's best friend, Humanity's best friend. 505 00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:19,840 Speaker 1: Better put big big thanks to our research associate Red 506 00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:24,040 Speaker 1: and Fest big big thanks to the legendary super producer 507 00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:28,360 Speaker 1: mister Max Williams. Max, while we got you here, do 508 00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:31,680 Speaker 1: you like dogs? You like Dax and I just watched 509 00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:32,400 Speaker 1: Snatch again? 510 00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:34,200 Speaker 2: Sorry? I do love dogs. 511 00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:36,280 Speaker 3: I mean I am primarily a cat personal cat star 512 00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:38,520 Speaker 3: like generally the animals always have, but I've had some 513 00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:40,719 Speaker 3: dogs in my life and I absolutely love them. 514 00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:45,200 Speaker 1: If you, if you were a dog, Max, what kind 515 00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:46,120 Speaker 1: of dog would you be? 516 00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:48,320 Speaker 2: Are you? 517 00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:50,800 Speaker 3: Are you asking me as if like, based on personality, 518 00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:51,920 Speaker 3: which one I would choose to be? 519 00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:56,560 Speaker 2: Yes, then the answer is the golden Streamer. Nice. That's 520 00:33:56,600 --> 00:33:58,720 Speaker 2: a good one. What about you nol. I don't know. 521 00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:01,600 Speaker 2: I want to, in the last handful of years truly 522 00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:04,720 Speaker 2: become a dog person. And now I really very much 523 00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:06,720 Speaker 2: am I think I would. I think I would want 524 00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:09,319 Speaker 2: to be one of those little little cuties. Oh, it 525 00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:12,160 Speaker 2: just gets to like be in someone's lap all day 526 00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:16,200 Speaker 2: and you know, eating eating delightful cubes of steak. Oh 527 00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:18,040 Speaker 2: that's sweet. It doesn't sound so bad. Me and me 528 00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:21,360 Speaker 2: and Apaula could kick it. That's awesome. You. 529 00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:25,960 Speaker 1: Oh well, I would want to be a different dog, 530 00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:34,040 Speaker 1: but I'm I'm probably a bruiser unfortunately, probably an Anatolian shepherd. Okay, yeah, well, 531 00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:37,200 Speaker 1: you know we work with the army we have, and 532 00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:39,720 Speaker 1: we can't wait to brag to you about the army 533 00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:43,920 Speaker 1: we do have, starting with a J. Bahamas Jacobs. 534 00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:46,759 Speaker 2: Yes, of course that would be the puzzler. And uh 535 00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:49,240 Speaker 2: Jonathan Strickland, the e quistorn. 536 00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:51,200 Speaker 1: Oh what kind of dog would he be? 537 00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:54,759 Speaker 2: I don't know. There's no negative spin we could put 538 00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:57,800 Speaker 2: on any dogs, so I don't know how to proceed. 539 00:34:58,320 --> 00:34:59,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, what kind of animal? 540 00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:01,000 Speaker 2: We love them all? 541 00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:04,680 Speaker 1: We do love the ball all right, all right, Quister, 542 00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:07,040 Speaker 1: you got away in the credits on this one. 543 00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:12,040 Speaker 2: Some sort of gullum, perhaps some sort of dragon hoarding 544 00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:16,160 Speaker 2: his gold in a volcano. 545 00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:19,920 Speaker 3: Would be a middle aged man who is very bald. 546 00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:21,239 Speaker 3: That's the animal he would be. 547 00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:22,200 Speaker 2: That's the only. 548 00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:26,760 Speaker 1: Cares Let's not hurt his feelings because he does listen 549 00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:30,279 Speaker 1: to this show only at the end to hear us 550 00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:33,080 Speaker 1: talk trash about him. Big, big thanks as well to 551 00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:37,319 Speaker 1: Christopher Hasiotis, Eve's Jeff goat here in Spirit and uh 552 00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:40,479 Speaker 1: our pals at Ridiculous Crime and nol. If I could 553 00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:45,000 Speaker 1: say it, I love when you bring Apollo on the show. 554 00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:48,000 Speaker 2: Well you know what he's He's on the bathroom floor, 555 00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:50,680 Speaker 2: curled up, taking a little napperor I would have, but 556 00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:54,680 Speaker 2: thanks Ben. Hopefully he'll be around next time. We'll see 557 00:35:54,719 --> 00:36:04,560 Speaker 2: you next time, folks. For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit 558 00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:07,759 Speaker 2: the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to 559 00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:08,720 Speaker 2: your favorite shows.