WEBVTT - Broadcom Purchases VMWare

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<v Speaker 1>From the heart of where innovation, money and power COLLI

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<v Speaker 1>in Silicon Valley and beyond. This is Bloomberg Technology with

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<v Speaker 1>Emily Jay I'm Emily changing San Francisco, and this is

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<v Speaker 1>Bloomberg Technology. Coming up. In the next hour, Broadcom makes

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<v Speaker 1>it official, striking a deal to buy vm Whare for

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<v Speaker 1>sixty one billion dollars. We will have all the details

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<v Speaker 1>on how one of the tech's biggest deals could reshape

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<v Speaker 1>the cloud and chip industries. Coming up. Plus, I'm joined

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<v Speaker 1>exclusively by Google Cloud CEO Thomas Curia. I'll get his

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<v Speaker 1>thoughts on that Broadcom deal, plus how Google and its

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<v Speaker 1>cloud customers are weathering this market termoil, and how one

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<v Speaker 1>startup raised a new round with all female investors, seventy

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<v Speaker 1>five of them. I'll speak to investor Kara Northman and

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<v Speaker 1>Solve co founder Heather Fernandez about how more companies can

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<v Speaker 1>change the gender balance of their cap tables in one

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<v Speaker 1>fell sweep all of that in a moment, But first

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<v Speaker 1>I want to get a look at the market where

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<v Speaker 1>tech stacks stage to come back at Ludlow here with

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<v Speaker 1>the latest and finally some good news. Yeah, finally we

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<v Speaker 1>saw kind of this broad equity market rally. Tech at

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<v Speaker 1>the heart of it, Retail the heart of it will

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<v Speaker 1>touch on it just the moment. You see then as

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<v Speaker 1>that one hundred up two point eight percent, biggest jump

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<v Speaker 1>for that tech heavy index in a week. It was

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<v Speaker 1>interesting because I was going through the bloomberg. It's the

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<v Speaker 1>first back to back gains. We've seen two days of gains.

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<v Speaker 1>And then as that one hundred in almost four weeks,

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<v Speaker 1>which kind of shows how things have been recently right,

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<v Speaker 1>very much in the red. And you see that across

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<v Speaker 1>the technology sector, semi conductors up, the mega caps. Also,

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<v Speaker 1>if there was an area of pressure or some selling

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<v Speaker 1>across financial markets, it was in old coins. You see

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<v Speaker 1>Ether on your screen, there's green there because we're going

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<v Speaker 1>into the next day session, but it's at around one thousand,

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<v Speaker 1>eight hundred dollars per token, well below the two thousand

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<v Speaker 1>level that technical and lists are looking for. And come

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<v Speaker 1>with me into my bloombotuminal. Let's call it right now.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's end it right here, because then as that one

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<v Speaker 1>on a weekly basis is in the green, it's Thursday,

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<v Speaker 1>let's just call it because then that way we snap

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<v Speaker 1>seven straight weeks of declines. It looks like we've turned

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<v Speaker 1>a corner. You can't hang your hat on one week,

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<v Speaker 1>but my goodness, do we need some positivity? Do we

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<v Speaker 1>need some green? R up almost four percentage points, and

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<v Speaker 1>that's that one so far this week. Please Friday, don't

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<v Speaker 1>ruin it. I've had enough. A big part of the

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<v Speaker 1>story when you come back to me in the studio

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<v Speaker 1>is earnings and Video actually missing estimates, particularly on the forecast,

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<v Speaker 1>but that stock up five percent. The market sanguine, Macy's

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<v Speaker 1>incredible lots of confidence, upgrading their profit outlook. People still

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<v Speaker 1>want to buy fancy stuff. I love fancy stuff. And

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<v Speaker 1>how do you think all the M and A we're

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<v Speaker 1>seeing this big tech deal, the number of deals we've

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<v Speaker 1>seen in general is a signal that maybe maybe we're

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<v Speaker 1>turning a corner. Well, it's interesting because I joke about

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<v Speaker 1>that chart, but there is a feel good fact write

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of activity, A love M and A. In

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<v Speaker 1>the tech sector, Twitter up six percentage points on Thursday.

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<v Speaker 1>Tests are up almost eight percent. And the big story here,

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<v Speaker 1>of course, is Musque adjusting the financing package for his

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<v Speaker 1>bid to buy the company, getting rid of the margin

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<v Speaker 1>loan component and bring in more equity financing. Some bullishness

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<v Speaker 1>that this deal might happen. Of course, the other big

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<v Speaker 1>story is Broadcom vm Ware massive sixty one billion dollar deal.

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<v Speaker 1>Bloomberg scoop we refers to report that they were in talks.

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<v Speaker 1>We got official confirmation on Thursday. What does this mean

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<v Speaker 1>for the company? What does this mean for this health

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<v Speaker 1>of the technology sector broadly? It's a really interesting timing. Indeed,

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<v Speaker 1>Ed Ludlow, thank you. I want to stick with that

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<v Speaker 1>Broadcom deal for vm Ware now and bringing angel as

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<v Speaker 1>you know of cf A as well as our very

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<v Speaker 1>own Leanna Baker, Leona, your team broke the news of

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<v Speaker 1>this deal. Here we are officially being announced. Talk to

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<v Speaker 1>us about the nuts and bolts, the new things that

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<v Speaker 1>we know now that maybe we didn't know earlier this week. Sure,

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<v Speaker 1>so we saw the exact price of the deal, although

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<v Speaker 1>it does key sort of fluctuating because it's fifty percent

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<v Speaker 1>cash and fifty percent stock, so it'll change day by day.

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<v Speaker 1>But we did see that it's about sixty one billion,

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<v Speaker 1>which is a pretty big premium for vm Ware, but

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<v Speaker 1>maybe not as high as it would have been had

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<v Speaker 1>it not been for this text sell off. Another interesting

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<v Speaker 1>angle on the deal is that vm Ware can solicit

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<v Speaker 1>other offers. So we're gonna be monitoring whether there's a

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<v Speaker 1>bidding war and who else could emerge because they have

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<v Speaker 1>forty days to potentially find a new buyer. Angelo, are

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<v Speaker 1>you thinking there could be a bidding war here? Are

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<v Speaker 1>there other suitors out there? I mean, were likely others

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<v Speaker 1>that might pick up the phone and enquire about it.

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<v Speaker 1>But to be honest with you, as far as you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the terms of this deal is concerned the price here. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>I actually think it's a very compelling author out there

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<v Speaker 1>for more vm Ware investors. And you know, at the

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<v Speaker 1>end of the day, I do think that fell kind

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<v Speaker 1>of go through, um, you know, via the hands of Broadcom. Leanna,

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<v Speaker 1>What do we know about how Broadcom intends to run

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<v Speaker 1>vm ware? Will it stay independent, Which of broadcast services

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<v Speaker 1>will they emphasize, which might be de emphasized. So I

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<v Speaker 1>interviewed the Broadcom executive Tom Krause today, who helped engineer

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<v Speaker 1>the deal, and he mentioned that they're going to rename

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<v Speaker 1>the whole software division of Broadcom vm Ware. So I

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<v Speaker 1>think vm Ware almost is sort of going to run

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<v Speaker 1>the rest of Broadcom's software. So we'll have to see,

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<v Speaker 1>but it may take a year for the deal to close,

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<v Speaker 1>so we won't see anything just yet. But Broadcom does

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<v Speaker 1>like to keep its franchises intact. I'm sure they'll try

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<v Speaker 1>to you know, raise margins, but I would expect that

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<v Speaker 1>not a lot will change once the deal closes. So Angelo,

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<v Speaker 1>how optim how competitive do you think a software portfolio

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<v Speaker 1>within Broadcom under this VM where Umbrella will actually be?

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<v Speaker 1>You know that I think Yale Hawk has done an

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<v Speaker 1>absolutely fantastic job here, um kind of transitioning the company

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<v Speaker 1>around into one that's also definitely sold by driven and

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<v Speaker 1>I think this really is going to kind of be

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<v Speaker 1>that crowned the world for their software business. That really

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<v Speaker 1>doubles the size of that business, right, so it gets

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<v Speaker 1>them to nearly half of their revenue base there, um,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, was the run rate was about a sales

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<v Speaker 1>so at the end of the day, and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I think this definitely kind of um significantly improves the

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<v Speaker 1>growth profile of that software business, which is extremely important.

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<v Speaker 1>This was a business that was kind of growing very

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<v Speaker 1>low single digit pace. When you kind of look at

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<v Speaker 1>somebody assets they've acquired a lot of you know, a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of those acquired assets was really kind of just

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<v Speaker 1>you know, from a free cash flow potential, um, just

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<v Speaker 1>improve the cash flow generation of that company. What vm

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<v Speaker 1>Ware does here is it really kind of catapults at

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<v Speaker 1>least the the growth potential within that software business towards

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<v Speaker 1>one that's more kind of mid single digit range, So

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<v Speaker 1>definitely more compelling I think long term for that software business.

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<v Speaker 1>Within Broadcom Leana, we were looking at a chart of

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<v Speaker 1>the big tech deals that have been done in the

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<v Speaker 1>last few months, going all the way back to Microsoft

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<v Speaker 1>and Activist, and are you expecting more big deals this year?

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<v Speaker 1>Are are we moving into an environment you know, given

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<v Speaker 1>what we're seeing in the markets, given valuations coming down,

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<v Speaker 1>given potentially companies looking for a safe exit, are are

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<v Speaker 1>we moving into a time of big time m and A. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>the tech bankers I talked to would love to say, sure,

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<v Speaker 1>there's gonna be big deals and deals to get more deals,

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<v Speaker 1>but you have to understand that Broadcom is a very

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<v Speaker 1>unique animal. They've been searching for a big elephant acquisition

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<v Speaker 1>for years. They hadn't done once since, So that's a

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<v Speaker 1>company that really likes doing deals. And I wouldn't necessarily

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<v Speaker 1>say that Broadcom's competitors are suddenly going to follow suit.

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<v Speaker 1>But it is interesting that the tech sector has been

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<v Speaker 1>one of the bright spots of the M and A market,

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<v Speaker 1>which is down year over year. So software companies especially

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<v Speaker 1>are very resilient. So I'd expect we're going to see

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<v Speaker 1>probably some more big deals this year, which will keep

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<v Speaker 1>me busy well. And Broadcom did want to buy Qualcom

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<v Speaker 1>a few years back, it didn't happen under the Trump administration. Angelo,

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<v Speaker 1>are you expecting any regulatory pushback here? I mean, listen,

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<v Speaker 1>I think as far as this deal is concerned, the

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<v Speaker 1>stuff we're gonna get looked at. I mean, additionally, if

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<v Speaker 1>you would have kind of asked me, I'd say this

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<v Speaker 1>very little little overlap between kind of you know, Broadcom

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<v Speaker 1>and vm ware here. But at the end of the day,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean clearly both companies operating significantly within UM you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the data center you know group, and as a result,

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<v Speaker 1>UM there definitely could kind of be UM some concern

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<v Speaker 1>with how Broadcom operates kind of that VM where business

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<v Speaker 1>along with its chip side business chip business as well

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<v Speaker 1>as you know, Listen, I think I just to the day, Um,

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<v Speaker 1>there's definitely geopolitical pressures going on out there. Someone w

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<v Speaker 1>we started thinking about getting the necessary and regulatory approvals

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<v Speaker 1>across search of certain regions like a China. Um, I'd imagine,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, a region like that probably will drag their

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<v Speaker 1>feet similar to what they've done in other deals. So

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<v Speaker 1>I know Broadcome is looking for a deal to kind

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<v Speaker 1>of get you know, to get done by the undeficial twenties.

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<v Speaker 1>I wouldn't be surprised if that kind of drags further

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<v Speaker 1>than that, uh, Leanna or what are your Broadcom sources

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<v Speaker 1>saying about whether Hawk Tan will be doing more deals

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<v Speaker 1>or is this it for a while? It's a big one,

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<v Speaker 1>So I would say, as Angelo mentioned, there's a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of regulatory bodies that have to weigh in on this,

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<v Speaker 1>So I don't think Tan wants to you know, muddy

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<v Speaker 1>the waters with more deals. Uh. They're really going to

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<v Speaker 1>be focused on getting this one through and whatever it takes.

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<v Speaker 1>So expect Broadcom not to do much except focus on

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<v Speaker 1>this and then integrate it. So it could be a

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<v Speaker 1>while before they do anything that's big. And Angelo, well, Bradley,

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<v Speaker 1>how do I think this deal will actually impact the

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<v Speaker 1>potentially change the cloud market? Will it make much of

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<v Speaker 1>a change? You know, I don't know if it if

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<v Speaker 1>it changes things, much. I think it just it just

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<v Speaker 1>gives the broadcom a lot work power. At the end

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<v Speaker 1>of the day, I think it gives them the ability

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<v Speaker 1>to kind of leverage a wheel their power or a

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<v Speaker 1>lot more than maybe some of their peers or competitors

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<v Speaker 1>out there want them to. And you know, whether or not,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, that ends up kind of being a sticking

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<v Speaker 1>point when they kind of have to kind of get

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<v Speaker 1>the regular necessary regulatory approvals, I think remains to be seen.

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<v Speaker 1>But at the end of the day, I mean, you

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<v Speaker 1>couldn't have an impact. Yes, so it like we will

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<v Speaker 1>angelous you know, cfr right, Leanna Baker who helped break

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<v Speaker 1>this story earlier this weekly on a great job. Thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>With inflation putting pressure on just about everyone, Apple is

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<v Speaker 1>raising salaries for workers across the US by ten percent,

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<v Speaker 1>also in the midst of a type labor market joining

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<v Speaker 1>US now. Bloomberg's Mark German, who of course covers Apples,

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<v Speaker 1>So Apple raising salaries for corporate and retail employees, right, Mark, Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>So that's right in the face of inflation other pressures globally.

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<v Speaker 1>Obviously in the face of unionization when it comes to

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<v Speaker 1>retail employees, Apple is doing a few things. Let's start

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<v Speaker 1>with retail. One, they're raising the minimum salary for hourly workers.

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<v Speaker 1>That's for retail, that's for Apple Care other hourly workers

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<v Speaker 1>from twenty dollars per hour to twenty two dollars per hour.

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<v Speaker 1>Now that's ten from last year, that twenty, and it's

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<v Speaker 1>closer to the company says since in terms of corporate

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<v Speaker 1>and more generally across Apple, they're raising their overall compensation

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<v Speaker 1>budget for this year. So that's gonna result in some

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<v Speaker 1>salary increases based salary increases UH in the US and

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<v Speaker 1>globally for salaried employees, not hourly employees. And they're also

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<v Speaker 1>bringing up raises. Typically those are done around September. The

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<v Speaker 1>company told employees are going to bring that up to

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<v Speaker 1>around July now for both corporate some corporate teams as

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<v Speaker 1>well as the hourly workers. Meantime, you're also reporting that

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<v Speaker 1>Apple is planning to keep iPhone production flat in part

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<v Speaker 1>because of all of these macroeconomic headwinds, the pressure on consumers.

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<v Speaker 1>What exactly do we know? Yeah, there's two ways to

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<v Speaker 1>really look at this, right, there's the positive and there's

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<v Speaker 1>a negative. Let's start with the positive, right. The positive

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<v Speaker 1>is that the overall smartphone market led by Android is

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<v Speaker 1>not a very good spot right now. Right, You're seeing

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<v Speaker 1>those companies do job cuts and hiring slowdowns, and you're

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<v Speaker 1>seeing people buy Android phones to smaller degrees and they

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<v Speaker 1>were in previous years. Right. A lot of that has

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<v Speaker 1>to do with the inflationary pressure, the war in Ukraine,

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<v Speaker 1>and other factors globally, right, And so Apple's ability to

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<v Speaker 1>keep units flat from two in the face of a,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, a larger slowdown in the smartphone industry, obviously,

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<v Speaker 1>that's a good thing for Apple that they're not guiding

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<v Speaker 1>down in terms of their union output. Now, on the negative,

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<v Speaker 1>Apple has a major iPhone upgrade plan for this year.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the iPhone four teen. It'll look mostly similar to

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<v Speaker 1>the iPhone thirteen, but it's a much bigger update than

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<v Speaker 1>the iPhone thirteen. What's the iPhone twelve. So Apple is

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<v Speaker 1>not going to be increasing its units even though they

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<v Speaker 1>have this bigger handset update than they did last year. Meantime,

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<v Speaker 1>let's talk about what else Apple has to come this year.

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<v Speaker 1>WWDC now coming up in a couple of weeks. The

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<v Speaker 1>official invitations have gone out. It's gonna be Christmas in

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<v Speaker 1>they say for developers, What are you expecting to happen

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<v Speaker 1>at this event? Yeah, so WWDC, this is going to

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<v Speaker 1>be a pretty significant one. You're gonna see a pretty

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<v Speaker 1>large update uh to iOS with iOS sixteen. You're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>see changes and new apps and new designs for some

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<v Speaker 1>apps across the board. You're gonna see big multitasking improvements

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<v Speaker 1>for the iPad. You're gonna see some new audio messaging features.

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<v Speaker 1>You're gonna see a new lock screen for the iPhone,

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<v Speaker 1>and you're gonna see major updates to health on the

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<v Speaker 1>iPhone as well as the Apple Watch. You're gonna see

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<v Speaker 1>some smart home compatibility improvements for the Apple TV UH

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<v Speaker 1>and the Home Pod. Like I mentioned, the iPad is

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<v Speaker 1>gonna get a pretty big update uh, and the Mac

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<v Speaker 1>is going to get a little bit more flavor from

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<v Speaker 1>iOS and the iPhone interface as well. So a lot

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<v Speaker 1>to look forward to there. I don't believe you're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>see a full blown unveiling of the Apple Mixed reality headset.

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<v Speaker 1>That's probably going to come later, but obviously augmented in

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<v Speaker 1>virtual reality is gonna be on the minds of lots

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<v Speaker 1>of developers at this year's conference, and of course in

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<v Speaker 1>the future. When you say later, how much later? Is

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<v Speaker 1>that something we could see this year? You know, I

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<v Speaker 1>believe the headset. I believe it's possible we could be

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<v Speaker 1>doing one of these shows a year from now and

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<v Speaker 1>I could have my headset on. Obviously I would look ridiculous,

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<v Speaker 1>But what I mean to say is I think it

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<v Speaker 1>will be available by this time next year. Huh, Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>And what happens come September? You know, obviously w W

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<v Speaker 1>dcs typically where we see uh, you know, the unveiling

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<v Speaker 1>of Apple's next generation of software. September is where we

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<v Speaker 1>see the next generation of hardware. What are we going

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<v Speaker 1>to see this September? Yeah, I mean, I think the

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<v Speaker 1>pattern for this September and the fall launches this year

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<v Speaker 1>is going to probably be quite similar to what you've

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<v Speaker 1>seen from Apple, uh in the fall launch periods in

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<v Speaker 1>previous years. So you could imagine that the iPhone fourteen,

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<v Speaker 1>in the new version of the Apple Watch will be

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<v Speaker 1>unveiled in September. I think the Apple Watch actually, interestingly,

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<v Speaker 1>is going to be one of the bigger new pieces

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<v Speaker 1>of tex from Apple this year for the first time.

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<v Speaker 1>There's gonna be three new models, right, so a lot

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<v Speaker 1>to look forward to if you're an Apple Watch fan

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<v Speaker 1>as well. Mark German for us there, Thanks Mark as always.

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<v Speaker 1>Coming up, Google Cloud CEO Thomas Currian with me next,

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<v Speaker 1>Mrs Bloomberg. In the midst of a massive market downturn,

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<v Speaker 1>Google cloud numbers were array of sunshine in Alphabet's latest

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<v Speaker 1>earnings results. Google's cloud business growing in the quarter, though

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<v Speaker 1>Google is still a distant third to a WS and

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<v Speaker 1>Microsoft's Azure in the cloud infrastructure market. Joining me now

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<v Speaker 1>to talk more about how Google will continue to scale

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<v Speaker 1>Thomas curriean CEO of Google Cloud. Thomas, great to have

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<v Speaker 1>you back with us. So I'm so curious what your

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<v Speaker 1>outlook is on this market turmoil and what you're seeing

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<v Speaker 1>in terms of demand. Are you seeing any signs of

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<v Speaker 1>a slowdown in spending. We're seeing that the market is

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<v Speaker 1>entering all it has some volatility in different parts of

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<v Speaker 1>the world, but technology is seen as helping organizations, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>address supply change shortages of customers better get online digitally,

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<v Speaker 1>and so demand for cloud remains very strong for us.

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<v Speaker 1>What's I take on this Broadcom vm Ware deal and

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<v Speaker 1>how will it change or potentially reshape the cloud landscape.

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<v Speaker 1>Broad Common VMware have both partners of Google, and we're

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<v Speaker 1>you know, we're thrilled that they are looking at moving

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<v Speaker 1>forward together. We think a lot of customers use a

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<v Speaker 1>combination of VMware and Google Cloud together, and we have

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<v Speaker 1>a strong program with them to help people my great

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<v Speaker 1>vm O workloads the cloud. So we look forward to

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<v Speaker 1>continuing of work with both companies. Now, Google Cloud is

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<v Speaker 1>still growing, as I said, but you know it is

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<v Speaker 1>third to AWS and Microsoft and there's a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>work to do to close that gap. What is the

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<v Speaker 1>secret weapon going to be how are you going to

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<v Speaker 1>scale your market share and how long is that going

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<v Speaker 1>to take to see you get closer to those other competitors. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>we are seeing very strong demand for our products, whether

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<v Speaker 1>that is new kinds of infrastructure we're delivering. We are

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<v Speaker 1>now delivering infrastructure capabilities not just to run I T workloads,

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<v Speaker 1>but telecommunications network the announcement we had with Belt Canada

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<v Speaker 1>for example. Uh, we're seeing a lot of interest in

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<v Speaker 1>our cybersecurity tools to protect people's networks and applications and

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<v Speaker 1>data in the cloud. And we're seeing very very strong

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<v Speaker 1>interests for analytics and data products which are being used. Recently,

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<v Speaker 1>there was a case study with data about ups optimizing

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<v Speaker 1>how they were out trucks using our capability for analytics

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<v Speaker 1>and data. So we remain focused on providing great solutions

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<v Speaker 1>with customers, bringing the innovation of Google to customers, and

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<v Speaker 1>doing so at scale around the world. And if you

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<v Speaker 1>do that well, will continue to grow and will continue

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<v Speaker 1>to grow and gain market share as we have been

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<v Speaker 1>these last three years. You recently did a sustainable ability

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<v Speaker 1>survey that found that fifty of executives believe there's hypocrisy

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<v Speaker 1>in their organization on this topic. How so no sustainability

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<v Speaker 1>what we found from the survey Number one, it's a

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<v Speaker 1>super important priority for eighty percent of organizations around the world,

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<v Speaker 1>yet they have difficulty. Thirty five of organizations struggle with

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<v Speaker 1>being able to measure their progress because the data about

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<v Speaker 1>sustainability is not as easily measurable for a variety of reasons.

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<v Speaker 1>And a number of organizations now need help uh to

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<v Speaker 1>progress towards their sustainability objectives, and we at Google are

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<v Speaker 1>helping many organizations do that. Now, how do you make

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<v Speaker 1>sure that hypocrisy doesn't exist at Google? And this has

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<v Speaker 1>been a criticism of of all the big cloud companies.

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<v Speaker 1>For example, you do work with oil and gas companies,

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<v Speaker 1>you do sell your services to those companies. Where do

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<v Speaker 1>you draw the line? We sell our services to all

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<v Speaker 1>in gas companies, not for exploration production, but to the

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<v Speaker 1>environmentally clean or the green parts of these companies for

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<v Speaker 1>work that they're doing. We're also helping all in gas

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<v Speaker 1>companies de carbonized in a variety of different places, and

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<v Speaker 1>we help them with things like distribution, et cetera in

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<v Speaker 1>their retail stores and other things. But we're not doing

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<v Speaker 1>work in the exploration production business. The second we do

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<v Speaker 1>help many many companies in the sustainable energy business, both

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<v Speaker 1>by providing our technology to them as well as being

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<v Speaker 1>the largest procurer of renewable energy in the world. We

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<v Speaker 1>power our data centers and our global network of cloud

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<v Speaker 1>regions using green energy more and more, and we've been

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<v Speaker 1>common neutral for fourteen years now. Even as we provide

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<v Speaker 1>technology for many organizations around the world to run their

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<v Speaker 1>I T in a more renewable way, does Google still

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<v Speaker 1>have that deal with Aramco? For example, we work with

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<v Speaker 1>the Ramicles system integration division, not with the oil and

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<v Speaker 1>gas division, and we work with their system integration division

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<v Speaker 1>to provide our technology to customers in different parts of

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<v Speaker 1>the Middle East. We have said that again and again

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<v Speaker 1>that we don't work with the oil and gas division

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<v Speaker 1>within ARAMCO or with the system integration of for Ramco. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>Google did recently strike a deal to buy mandy And

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<v Speaker 1>for five point four billion dollars. I know the goal

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<v Speaker 1>is that this will help enhance Google's cloud offerings quickly.

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<v Speaker 1>How would you characterize the cyber threat landscape right now,

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<v Speaker 1>especially in the midst of this ongoing war between Russia

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<v Speaker 1>and Ukraine. Cyber threat landscape is changing in the kinds

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<v Speaker 1>of threats, the scope of the threats, the scale of

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<v Speaker 1>the attacks. And we at Google, along with our technology

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<v Speaker 1>how people detect threats, protect against them, and analyze if

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<v Speaker 1>they have been compromised. And we are seeing strong growth

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<v Speaker 1>for our product portfolio. Chronicle simplify a lot of US

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<v Speaker 1>cybersecurity products being adopted by regulated industries like financial institutions,

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<v Speaker 1>commercial customers, critical infrastructure organizations like telecom, networks and utilities,

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<v Speaker 1>as well as by government agencies. Thomas Carrian, CEO of

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<v Speaker 1>Google Cloud, thank you for joining us today. Welcome back

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<v Speaker 1>to Boner Technology. Emily Chang in San Francisco. Well venture

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<v Speaker 1>capital firms like Sequoya and y combinator have been sharing

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<v Speaker 1>their playbooks on how to weather stormy market conditions, and

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<v Speaker 1>as startups begin to focus on the fundamentals once again,

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<v Speaker 1>another key element is ensuring fair representation on their cap tables.

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<v Speaker 1>My next guests found a way to raise their latest

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<v Speaker 1>round from all female investors, and they're here to share

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<v Speaker 1>their secret. I m joined now by Heather Fernandez, the

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<v Speaker 1>CEO and co founder of Solve, as well as Karen Northman,

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<v Speaker 1>managing partner at Upfront Ventures and a founding member of

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<v Speaker 1>All Rays. Karen had they're great to have both of

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<v Speaker 1>you back here on the show. So you managed to

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<v Speaker 1>not just get all women on the cap table in

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<v Speaker 1>this round, but seventy five different women investors. Heather, how

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<v Speaker 1>did you do it? Well, let me tell you a

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<v Speaker 1>bit of this story, Emily. So you know, as you know,

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<v Speaker 1>people talk about fundraising is a very easy thing. As

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<v Speaker 1>every founder knows, it's not. It's stressful. It's arduous. And

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<v Speaker 1>when I completed my seriously financing and followed last year,

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<v Speaker 1>I called my good friend here Northman, frankly from my

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<v Speaker 1>victory lap. In that call, she said to me, for

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<v Speaker 1>twenty years we've been talking about cap table diversity, how

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<v Speaker 1>important it is to bring more women and women of

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<v Speaker 1>color onto cap tables. Let's use this opportunity to make

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<v Speaker 1>some space and figure out a way to really drive

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<v Speaker 1>that in this round for us solve And we made

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<v Speaker 1>it happen, and you made it happen fairly quickly as

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<v Speaker 1>I understand it, right, Carol, I mean, just just give

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<v Speaker 1>us a little more of the how, because you've got

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of venture capital firms out there who say

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<v Speaker 1>they can't find enough talented women to add on as partners. Yeah. No,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean I think what what ended up happening was, Um,

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<v Speaker 1>I think, um, a couple of things. Heather and I

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<v Speaker 1>are fortunate enough to be doing these jobs now for

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<v Speaker 1>twenty years, were much much younger than we look. Are

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<v Speaker 1>older than we look, perhaps I should say, and so

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<v Speaker 1>um we um. We reached into our networks, and our

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<v Speaker 1>networks are specific people in some specific stages of their careers.

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<v Speaker 1>So we reached out, um to a number of senior

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<v Speaker 1>women in tech and actresses, people that we knew were

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<v Speaker 1>active angel investors. But then we took it a step

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<v Speaker 1>further and we said, listen, we really want to use

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<v Speaker 1>this as an opportunity where there's a lot of demand.

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<v Speaker 1>Had there had many term sheets. It was it's a

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<v Speaker 1>company SolV is serving one in five Americans now, which

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<v Speaker 1>is pretty awesome. UM to say, reach out to a

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<v Speaker 1>woman in your network who we may not know ideally

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<v Speaker 1>a woman of color, but a woman who is just

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<v Speaker 1>as talented as you, who is either an angel investing

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<v Speaker 1>and we don't know or wants to get into it,

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<v Speaker 1>and invite them to join. And it had the snowball

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<v Speaker 1>effect in a way. It's um. It's a bit like

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<v Speaker 1>the Freemasons, which is, you know, were groups of men

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<v Speaker 1>in the olden days, or Paul Revere would yell to

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<v Speaker 1>another group of men, he wasn't just yelling into the

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<v Speaker 1>streets of Boston. UM. And that's how the revolution spread.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's finding these loose connectors, um that brought it

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<v Speaker 1>into others. And one quick example there is a woman

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<v Speaker 1>named Layla Saka whom is a longtime salesforce exact and

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<v Speaker 1>she brought it into the Black Venture Institute and so

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<v Speaker 1>she brought in a terrific group of black black angel

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<v Speaker 1>investors and we had a lot of different examples of that.

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<v Speaker 1>Revolution is a perfect metaphor and good to hear how

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<v Speaker 1>you are leading this one. How there if there's a

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<v Speaker 1>blueprint for other startups, other founders who want to do this,

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<v Speaker 1>what are three simple steps. If maybe you don't have

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<v Speaker 1>a network that goes back twenty years of powerful women, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>I got you. Number one, designed to do it early.

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<v Speaker 1>This is something that for me with the eleventh hour,

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<v Speaker 1>it caused a bit of a scramble and frankly, was

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<v Speaker 1>really intimidating. So one, decide early, align that with your

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<v Speaker 1>board as well as your internal team. Number two, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>gonna say tap your network. We have a twenty year

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<v Speaker 1>long relationship, but every founder has investors, you have professors,

0:25:41.480 --> 0:25:44.959
<v Speaker 1>you have people in your world who are connected to others,

0:25:45.240 --> 0:25:48.199
<v Speaker 1>and it was really managing that network that enabled us

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<v Speaker 1>to do us so quickly. Third, find a back end partner.

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<v Speaker 1>We were used a family office. You can use Angelist

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<v Speaker 1>or Carter. And number four this is the final one

0:25:57.040 --> 0:25:59.760
<v Speaker 1>set guidelines in our world. Because we were trying to

0:25:59.800 --> 0:26:03.520
<v Speaker 1>bring and new investors into growth investing, we reduced the

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<v Speaker 1>minimum down to zero, but we decided we would do

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<v Speaker 1>it over a constrained timetable and that ended up enabling

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<v Speaker 1>us to meet our goals and do it very quickly. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>Now I want to talk a little bit about the

0:26:13.440 --> 0:26:18.160
<v Speaker 1>market environment, Kara, because obviously there's public market turmoil. Startups

0:26:18.160 --> 0:26:20.320
<v Speaker 1>are having trouble raising new rounds right now. We're seeing

0:26:20.400 --> 0:26:25.840
<v Speaker 1>hiring freezes and even layoffs. You know, in times of turmoil,

0:26:25.920 --> 0:26:28.840
<v Speaker 1>often women take a step back. Investors invest in what

0:26:28.880 --> 0:26:31.520
<v Speaker 1>they know and they understand, rather than taking that risk.

0:26:31.560 --> 0:26:36.119
<v Speaker 1>Are you concerned that could happen now? Well? Yeah, so

0:26:36.119 --> 0:26:38.320
<v Speaker 1>I am concerned that can happen. And I think, you know,

0:26:38.359 --> 0:26:41.440
<v Speaker 1>the message to put out there is that, um uh,

0:26:41.520 --> 0:26:43.119
<v Speaker 1>now is the best time to take risk in a

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<v Speaker 1>way that is good for you as an individual. But

0:26:45.560 --> 0:26:49.080
<v Speaker 1>we're so emotional about risk, and actually, um the great

0:26:49.080 --> 0:26:52.440
<v Speaker 1>thing about venture uh is that you know, we're we're

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<v Speaker 1>building the long term trends and the problems we need

0:26:55.200 --> 0:26:57.720
<v Speaker 1>to solve are bigger than ever. And so I think

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<v Speaker 1>it's really important though that each individual really understand their

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<v Speaker 1>risk profile. And if you were going to allocate to

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<v Speaker 1>venture capital, I always say, allocate a certain amount of money,

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<v Speaker 1>whether it's five thousand, ten thousand, a hundred thousand, whatever

0:27:08.160 --> 0:27:10.320
<v Speaker 1>the right amount is for you, and then divide it

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<v Speaker 1>up into five or ten investments UM, and then be

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<v Speaker 1>thoughtful about where you're gonna, you know, place those investments,

0:27:15.960 --> 0:27:18.760
<v Speaker 1>knowing that no one of them may you know, generate

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<v Speaker 1>a return. UM prices are down. Founders who start businesses

0:27:22.240 --> 0:27:24.840
<v Speaker 1>now are deeply convicted and not just doing it because

0:27:24.880 --> 0:27:27.840
<v Speaker 1>they watch some HBO special And so there's never been

0:27:27.840 --> 0:27:30.600
<v Speaker 1>bigger problems to solve, and now is you know, I

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<v Speaker 1>think a huge part of what came out of the

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<v Speaker 1>SOLVESTPV and cannily we did. I had done something just

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<v Speaker 1>like this for Angel City, which is the soccer team

0:27:38.160 --> 0:27:40.320
<v Speaker 1>I had started, which was my first blue print, which

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<v Speaker 1>is why I had the conviction to bring it to Heather.

0:27:42.600 --> 0:27:45.919
<v Speaker 1>Is that now the best time to take the right

0:27:46.000 --> 0:27:48.040
<v Speaker 1>kind of risk with people you trust in things that

0:27:48.080 --> 0:27:50.720
<v Speaker 1>seem very obvious in your high conviction around um. You

0:27:50.760 --> 0:27:51.840
<v Speaker 1>just have to do it in the right way for

0:27:51.880 --> 0:27:54.760
<v Speaker 1>your balance sheet. Thank you for bringing up Angel City

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<v Speaker 1>because that was my next question. And I see the

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<v Speaker 1>soccer ball behind you. US Soccer. US Soccer just reached

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<v Speaker 1>a landmark deal to split pay equally among the women's

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<v Speaker 1>and men's teams. What was the real secret to getting

0:28:07.840 --> 0:28:10.560
<v Speaker 1>that done? And do you think can really be translated

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<v Speaker 1>to other sports when the skeptics are saying, well, in soccer,

0:28:14.880 --> 0:28:19.280
<v Speaker 1>the women do make the money. Yeah. I mean, there's

0:28:19.280 --> 0:28:22.080
<v Speaker 1>a terrific article that came out today on this topic,

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<v Speaker 1>so Joe google it. It's not on Bloomberg. So I'm

0:28:24.040 --> 0:28:28.399
<v Speaker 1>not going to mention. But um uh, that lawsuit that

0:28:28.720 --> 0:28:31.480
<v Speaker 1>you in that case is what got me. I started

0:28:31.480 --> 0:28:33.880
<v Speaker 1>as an activist. Um and working with a woman named

0:28:33.880 --> 0:28:37.560
<v Speaker 1>Becau who led the charge and having extraordinary leadership like

0:28:37.640 --> 0:28:39.960
<v Speaker 1>Heather and Solved. Taking the time to actually build a

0:28:40.000 --> 0:28:42.760
<v Speaker 1>syndicate someone like Beccau, who has been fighting this battle

0:28:42.800 --> 0:28:45.280
<v Speaker 1>as the head of the Players Union for many many

0:28:45.320 --> 0:28:48.000
<v Speaker 1>years behind the scenes is critical. And so for the

0:28:48.040 --> 0:28:50.600
<v Speaker 1>first time, the next woman's World chap is going to

0:28:50.720 --> 0:28:53.720
<v Speaker 1>is negotiating their own broadcast deal and their own sponsorship deal.

0:28:53.960 --> 0:28:56.080
<v Speaker 1>It's gonna be a half a billion dollars on its

0:28:56.080 --> 0:28:58.320
<v Speaker 1>way to a billion dollars. We've never had that, and

0:28:58.400 --> 0:29:01.200
<v Speaker 1>so it's all of this stuff builds on each other.

0:29:01.800 --> 0:29:03.920
<v Speaker 1>Um And I mean, I guess the one thing I'd

0:29:03.920 --> 0:29:06.200
<v Speaker 1>say to tie this back to solve also is that

0:29:06.600 --> 0:29:09.440
<v Speaker 1>you know, my just interest in supporting the pay equity fight,

0:29:09.480 --> 0:29:11.719
<v Speaker 1>which is how Nataliepportman and I first came together as

0:29:11.720 --> 0:29:15.720
<v Speaker 1>activists supporting a union not as not as capitalists, led

0:29:15.800 --> 0:29:19.440
<v Speaker 1>to this capitalist moment with Angel City, which led to Solve.

0:29:19.600 --> 0:29:22.280
<v Speaker 1>And so I think the most important thing is building

0:29:22.400 --> 0:29:25.360
<v Speaker 1>not just building wealth for women, but building those relationships

0:29:25.360 --> 0:29:28.000
<v Speaker 1>and even amongst me and Heather and some of the

0:29:28.120 --> 0:29:30.640
<v Speaker 1>our twenty year relationships. This was the first transaction we

0:29:30.680 --> 0:29:32.760
<v Speaker 1>all did together, and since then we've done many more,

0:29:33.080 --> 0:29:35.200
<v Speaker 1>and we're pulling each other into each other's deals and

0:29:35.240 --> 0:29:37.480
<v Speaker 1>the like. And so I think it is about find

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<v Speaker 1>joy and play and energy amongst your female and diverse

0:29:41.560 --> 0:29:44.240
<v Speaker 1>relationships and then just lean into that energy and hold

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<v Speaker 1>each other accountable and make it a possible side hustle

0:29:47.760 --> 0:29:50.160
<v Speaker 1>and you know, good things will happen. We'll build our

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<v Speaker 1>own Freemason's network. UM. Heather, uh, solid is anything but

0:29:55.920 --> 0:29:59.520
<v Speaker 1>side hustle for you. And I'm so curious how these

0:29:59.680 --> 0:30:02.840
<v Speaker 1>you know, recent downturn and market conditions is impacting you

0:30:02.920 --> 0:30:07.360
<v Speaker 1>and your strategy. We saw you know, doubling of of

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<v Speaker 1>exits last year fifty seven billion dollars and exit value

0:30:11.240 --> 0:30:14.240
<v Speaker 1>UM for public listings. But right now folks are saying

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<v Speaker 1>the I P O window is closed for you know,

0:30:16.160 --> 0:30:19.959
<v Speaker 1>a fast growing venture back startup like yours. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>how are you navigating this time? Yeah? I mean, Emily,

0:30:24.240 --> 0:30:27.280
<v Speaker 1>what we do has never been more relevant. And so

0:30:27.320 --> 0:30:30.160
<v Speaker 1>when I think about our value prop for consumers, help

0:30:30.160 --> 0:30:31.960
<v Speaker 1>me figure out where I should go, when can I

0:30:32.000 --> 0:30:34.200
<v Speaker 1>be seen and how much does it cost? In an

0:30:34.240 --> 0:30:38.560
<v Speaker 1>economic downturn, we are extraordinarily relevant on the provider side

0:30:38.600 --> 0:30:42.240
<v Speaker 1>of what we do help providers, innovative providers deliver a

0:30:42.280 --> 0:30:46.640
<v Speaker 1>more consumer first experience on the heels of COVID, where

0:30:46.680 --> 0:30:50.840
<v Speaker 1>consumers have experienced more digital first healthcare, same day healthcare

0:30:51.120 --> 0:30:54.920
<v Speaker 1>than they ever had previously. So realistically, I am focused

0:30:54.960 --> 0:30:58.040
<v Speaker 1>on the fundamentals and delivering real value both to consumers

0:30:58.040 --> 0:31:00.560
<v Speaker 1>and providers in terms of our growth. And as you

0:31:00.640 --> 0:31:03.160
<v Speaker 1>do that, good things will happen. And we aren't on

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<v Speaker 1>a short term time horizon in order to get to

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<v Speaker 1>UH like what Cure Nortman said the HBO exit. We're

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<v Speaker 1>here to build stinable company that delivers real value in

0:31:11.840 --> 0:31:14.000
<v Speaker 1>R o I and this is a great environment for

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<v Speaker 1>us to be able to do that. How the Fernandez

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<v Speaker 1>CEO and co founder Assault and Karen and Upfront venture

0:31:19.320 --> 0:31:21.360
<v Speaker 1>is so great to have you back here on the show.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks for sharing some of your secret sauce with us.

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<v Speaker 1>Time now for our crypto report, and it's to see

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<v Speaker 1>a read in the world as alt coins lead the

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<v Speaker 1>route or at Ludlow back here with the latest. What's

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<v Speaker 1>happening with all coins so heavy setting, you know, declines

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<v Speaker 1>in between eleven p sevent a lot of volatility. We're

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<v Speaker 1>talking about Avalanche, Polka Dot Salana, and there's a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of movement away from anything that it's associated or has

0:31:59.160 --> 0:32:02.640
<v Speaker 1>any residents of being assoted with terror. And what's happened

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<v Speaker 1>in the last couple of weeks back that up a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of it, you know, because we've seen, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>some big changes with terror. They're trying to save it,

0:32:11.240 --> 0:32:14.400
<v Speaker 1>trying to save it. So the Terror blockchain and you

0:32:14.440 --> 0:32:17.680
<v Speaker 1>have Terror USD or us T, and the whole point

0:32:17.680 --> 0:32:21.360
<v Speaker 1>of the platform is that allows traders to be nimble,

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<v Speaker 1>to stay within it. It's supposed to be pegged to

0:32:23.960 --> 0:32:25.840
<v Speaker 1>the dollar in that chart that you see on your screen.

0:32:26.480 --> 0:32:29.680
<v Speaker 1>Is that it's just seen a complete collapse. Terror us

0:32:29.760 --> 0:32:34.480
<v Speaker 1>D and also its sister Crypto tooken Lunar. The other

0:32:34.480 --> 0:32:36.200
<v Speaker 1>big point of it was that it was supposed to

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<v Speaker 1>give you a yield, a set interest rate where you'd

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<v Speaker 1>have a really tasty return for keeping your assets within

0:32:42.200 --> 0:32:45.440
<v Speaker 1>the blockchain, and is that's collapsed. What we've seen across

0:32:45.480 --> 0:32:48.880
<v Speaker 1>old coins but also Ethereum and to a certain extent,

0:32:48.920 --> 0:32:51.760
<v Speaker 1>Bitcoin is just bearishness across the market. You know, some

0:32:51.880 --> 0:32:55.160
<v Speaker 1>evidence being the demand for the ethereum block has just

0:32:55.240 --> 0:32:58.160
<v Speaker 1>dropped off, and it shows there's a lot of nervousness

0:32:58.200 --> 0:33:03.640
<v Speaker 1>out there. Why is bitcoin by even differently? Right now?

0:33:03.240 --> 0:33:07.040
<v Speaker 1>All right, Bitcoin has been hovering around twenty nine thousand,

0:33:07.080 --> 0:33:11.600
<v Speaker 1>thousand dollars token for some days, some weeks. There's two theories, right,

0:33:11.760 --> 0:33:14.400
<v Speaker 1>One is that it's like the haven asset within the

0:33:14.440 --> 0:33:17.000
<v Speaker 1>world of crypto that if you're going to move into something,

0:33:17.720 --> 0:33:20.000
<v Speaker 1>and you want to stay within the world of cryptocurrencies,

0:33:20.040 --> 0:33:23.000
<v Speaker 1>you move into Bitcoin. The other problem that we have

0:33:23.360 --> 0:33:25.239
<v Speaker 1>you and I discussed this all the time. It has

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<v Speaker 1>a very high correlation to stocks, and in periods where

0:33:28.600 --> 0:33:32.400
<v Speaker 1>stocks are selling off, the correlation increases. Now stocks have

0:33:32.480 --> 0:33:35.520
<v Speaker 1>stopped selling off, so Bitcoin's kind of stood static and

0:33:35.600 --> 0:33:38.120
<v Speaker 1>treading water at twenty dollars are token. So one are

0:33:38.160 --> 0:33:40.440
<v Speaker 1>the crypto balls waiting for I haven't really heard a

0:33:40.480 --> 0:33:43.320
<v Speaker 1>lot of people saying by now by now by now Yeah, Well,

0:33:44.240 --> 0:33:46.600
<v Speaker 1>we've asked this question before. What is bitcoin? Is it

0:33:46.680 --> 0:33:49.320
<v Speaker 1>an inflation hedge. We're a bit more sanguine on inflation

0:33:49.360 --> 0:33:51.400
<v Speaker 1>at the moments. There's been no big move into a

0:33:51.440 --> 0:33:54.360
<v Speaker 1>bitcoin for that reason. If you look at Inferium, for example,

0:33:54.680 --> 0:33:57.520
<v Speaker 1>there's a lot of technical analysis that it's stuck at

0:33:57.560 --> 0:34:01.560
<v Speaker 1>this kind of token level. It can't go higher. It

0:34:01.680 --> 0:34:04.240
<v Speaker 1>really needs to push beyond two thousand dollars per token,

0:34:04.840 --> 0:34:06.880
<v Speaker 1>as we see on our screen there. That's the severity

0:34:06.960 --> 0:34:10.359
<v Speaker 1>of the kind of plunge we saw Thursday session going through.

0:34:10.880 --> 0:34:12.239
<v Speaker 1>And look, we we kind of paired some of the

0:34:12.320 --> 0:34:15.320
<v Speaker 1>losses that we saw, but there's a lack of direction,

0:34:16.160 --> 0:34:19.239
<v Speaker 1>and they have tried to restart the terror block. They've

0:34:19.320 --> 0:34:22.000
<v Speaker 1>tried to get some life back into this USD pegged

0:34:22.280 --> 0:34:24.920
<v Speaker 1>crypto currency. Not a lot of evidence that it's going

0:34:25.040 --> 0:34:26.799
<v Speaker 1>very well well, and one of our guests last week

0:34:26.880 --> 0:34:30.920
<v Speaker 1>said she expects crypto winter to last at least twelve months,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe eighteen, and it's not going to get back to

0:34:33.920 --> 0:34:36.799
<v Speaker 1>sixty for a while. Yeah, And we had folks from

0:34:36.840 --> 0:34:39.839
<v Speaker 1>Davos telling our co anchors we called it. We told

0:34:39.880 --> 0:34:42.840
<v Speaker 1>you bitcoin would fall from sixty to thirty, It happened,

0:34:43.200 --> 0:34:45.680
<v Speaker 1>and it will go back up in a shorter time frame.

0:34:46.080 --> 0:34:48.520
<v Speaker 1>I think it's a little bit of like, right, where

0:34:48.520 --> 0:34:49.920
<v Speaker 1>are we going? So what are you gonna be watching

0:34:50.600 --> 0:34:54.120
<v Speaker 1>tomorrow and through the weekend, because obviously crypto will continue trading. Yes,

0:34:54.239 --> 0:34:55.680
<v Speaker 1>So this is the problem you and I have. We

0:34:55.760 --> 0:34:57.680
<v Speaker 1>go home on a Friday, thank goodness, and we come

0:34:57.719 --> 0:35:01.759
<v Speaker 1>back on a Monday and it's seven. What's different is

0:35:01.800 --> 0:35:04.200
<v Speaker 1>the psychology of the Asian session Sunday night. You have

0:35:04.239 --> 0:35:05.719
<v Speaker 1>a lot of people that have had the weekend to

0:35:05.800 --> 0:35:08.439
<v Speaker 1>digest it. They get back to their desks in Hong Kong,

0:35:08.760 --> 0:35:11.160
<v Speaker 1>in Singapore, and sometimes when you and I wake up

0:35:11.160 --> 0:35:13.680
<v Speaker 1>on a Monday, they've traded for because of the words

0:35:13.719 --> 0:35:16.759
<v Speaker 1>that have been spoken over the weekend. Remember Krypto seven

0:35:16.840 --> 0:35:18.719
<v Speaker 1>is so the media outlets to cover it. So I

0:35:18.800 --> 0:35:21.000
<v Speaker 1>guess whatever the big thinking is of the weekend, well,

0:35:21.080 --> 0:35:23.760
<v Speaker 1>lucky for us, we get a weekend. Thank you, Ed Ludlow.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks Okay, Coming up, have the tech bubble first. Many

0:35:28.960 --> 0:35:32.840
<v Speaker 1>are calling the current tech route long overdue a poor holdings.

0:35:32.880 --> 0:35:36.480
<v Speaker 1>Portfolio manager Robert kentwell with us next for his thoughts

0:35:36.719 --> 0:36:16.480
<v Speaker 1>on the market moves now. As our Bloomber Technology Senior

0:36:16.560 --> 0:36:19.560
<v Speaker 1>executive editor Bradstone put it in this week's Big Take,

0:36:19.920 --> 0:36:24.480
<v Speaker 1>years of wildly inflated valuations, crypto flavored pyramid schemes and

0:36:24.719 --> 0:36:28.200
<v Speaker 1>all manner of naked opportunism have led us to the

0:36:28.280 --> 0:36:31.760
<v Speaker 1>tech bust. Of he has such a way with words that, Brad.

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<v Speaker 1>So far this year, the tech heavy SMP five has

0:36:34.920 --> 0:36:39.640
<v Speaker 1>lost just under one five of its value, among the

0:36:39.719 --> 0:36:45.040
<v Speaker 1>worst hit Amazon, Tesla, Meta, and Zoom. But that's just

0:36:45.160 --> 0:36:48.279
<v Speaker 1>the start. So has the tech bubble burst? Let's bring

0:36:48.360 --> 0:36:52.120
<v Speaker 1>in Robert Kentwell, portfolio manager at Upholdings. Robert, what do

0:36:52.200 --> 0:36:55.879
<v Speaker 1>you think has a bubble burst? Well, some air has

0:36:56.000 --> 0:36:58.960
<v Speaker 1>has definitely come out of the balloon, but believe it

0:36:59.040 --> 0:37:02.160
<v Speaker 1>or not, it has fall are from burst companies. There's

0:37:02.160 --> 0:37:04.920
<v Speaker 1>too much cash on balance sheets, there's too much trypowder

0:37:04.960 --> 0:37:08.400
<v Speaker 1>and venture capital. A lot of technology companies have hardly

0:37:08.560 --> 0:37:12.240
<v Speaker 1>tapped debt markets, and so until you really see companies

0:37:12.280 --> 0:37:15.759
<v Speaker 1>extended with short runways, frankly, there's there's there's still a

0:37:15.800 --> 0:37:18.359
<v Speaker 1>little bit of ways to go. But what what's been

0:37:18.440 --> 0:37:21.640
<v Speaker 1>interesting with with this kind of wholesale sell off is

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<v Speaker 1>that we've been kind of putting companies into one of

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<v Speaker 1>three buckets. You either have businesses that have been big

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<v Speaker 1>growers for ten years that are hitting a wall. These

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<v Speaker 1>are streamers like Netflix and Spotify that have to call

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<v Speaker 1>their business models into question. You have this middle group

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<v Speaker 1>of businesses like Meta and Amazon with a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>e commerce exposure, and it's very clear that just as

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<v Speaker 1>the market goes up and down, those businesses are going

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<v Speaker 1>to be affected. So we'll call them in the yellow

0:37:49.200 --> 0:37:51.960
<v Speaker 1>category of well, we'll see what e commerce does and

0:37:52.000 --> 0:37:54.799
<v Speaker 1>then those businesses will do just fine. And then there's

0:37:54.840 --> 0:37:58.680
<v Speaker 1>the green category of business models that are proving to

0:37:58.760 --> 0:38:02.839
<v Speaker 1>be unbelievably resilient. You had Thomas uh you know, from

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<v Speaker 1>the Google Cloud team on here earlier. He couldn't stop smiling,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's because cloud computing is just doing so well

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<v Speaker 1>in spite of how challenging of an environment that we're

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<v Speaker 1>in right now. And so that's definitely the one area

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<v Speaker 1>where we're probably spending the most time as investors because

0:38:16.680 --> 0:38:18.600
<v Speaker 1>prices have come down on a lot of stocks like

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<v Speaker 1>Snowflake and Data Dog in aws that all have exposure

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<v Speaker 1>to that end cloud computing segment. Interesting. Of course, as

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<v Speaker 1>you mentioned, Google Cloud was that one bright spot in

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<v Speaker 1>Alphabet results just a few weeks ago. Now, let's talk

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<v Speaker 1>about your strategy, because your E T F Kings is,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, down with the rest of the market thirty

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<v Speaker 1>year to date. How are you evolving your own strategy.

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<v Speaker 1>I know some of your top stocks are Meta, Amazon

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<v Speaker 1>and Alphabet yep Um and as I as I've been mentioning,

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<v Speaker 1>we're you know, moving more into some of these cloud

0:38:49.120 --> 0:38:52.520
<v Speaker 1>computing businesses like service now um. So our our our

0:38:52.560 --> 0:38:56.080
<v Speaker 1>strategy is it looks sometimes like a technology and desks,

0:38:56.160 --> 0:38:58.600
<v Speaker 1>but we're very pure investors. Where we start at the

0:38:58.640 --> 0:39:01.399
<v Speaker 1>industry where we find really big industries with a small

0:39:01.480 --> 0:39:04.200
<v Speaker 1>number of competitors. We find who the market leaders are

0:39:04.280 --> 0:39:06.720
<v Speaker 1>that are dating market share or have a dominant position.

0:39:07.400 --> 0:39:09.759
<v Speaker 1>We make sure that management is being responsible with how

0:39:09.800 --> 0:39:12.640
<v Speaker 1>they're allocating that capital, and then ultimately got to make

0:39:12.680 --> 0:39:14.440
<v Speaker 1>sure that you're paying a fair price for it. And

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<v Speaker 1>being down, you know, thirty four percent year to day

0:39:17.280 --> 0:39:19.279
<v Speaker 1>when Amazon is down thirty four percent year to date

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<v Speaker 1>is painful and it means that we paid too much

0:39:21.840 --> 0:39:23.920
<v Speaker 1>for some of the companies that we own. For the

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<v Speaker 1>most part, we're holding onto the businesses that we own,

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<v Speaker 1>as I mentioned Spotify as an example of a stock

0:39:28.880 --> 0:39:31.759
<v Speaker 1>that we dropped because we just don't believe in the

0:39:31.840 --> 0:39:35.480
<v Speaker 1>expansion into podcasts, even managements pulling back investment there. But

0:39:35.600 --> 0:39:39.600
<v Speaker 1>we're continuing to move money into these cloud computing businesses.

0:39:39.719 --> 0:39:41.719
<v Speaker 1>And that's the beauty of being one of these early

0:39:41.880 --> 0:39:45.640
<v Speaker 1>actively managed ets is we can move between stocks without

0:39:45.760 --> 0:39:49.400
<v Speaker 1>creating tax problems for investors, and everything we do is transparent,

0:39:49.480 --> 0:39:51.480
<v Speaker 1>so folks can follow along with us while we do

0:39:51.600 --> 0:39:56.360
<v Speaker 1>it as we do now, it's not really spooked a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of investors. I mean, the market was like shaking

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<v Speaker 1>in its boots. How booked were you by Snap? You know,

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<v Speaker 1>not necessarily Snap in particular, but the signal it's sent

0:40:06.200 --> 0:40:09.719
<v Speaker 1>about the macro environment and the digital ads business. It

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<v Speaker 1>was pretty interesting to watch the market process the Snap

0:40:14.040 --> 0:40:17.600
<v Speaker 1>information thirty days. It was only a month since Snap

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<v Speaker 1>was just out publicly reporting that they announced that they

0:40:21.360 --> 0:40:22.760
<v Speaker 1>were going to miss the low end of their guided

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<v Speaker 1>So that's scared a lot of people. Google and Meta

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<v Speaker 1>had a really bad day, But on that same day

0:40:28.480 --> 0:40:30.560
<v Speaker 1>you heard Service Now they had there There's a lot

0:40:30.560 --> 0:40:33.399
<v Speaker 1>of investor days happening right now they up their five

0:40:33.480 --> 0:40:36.920
<v Speaker 1>year revenue target by a billion dollars, and so investors

0:40:36.960 --> 0:40:40.040
<v Speaker 1>are getting a lot of mixed signals. Visa reported that

0:40:40.160 --> 0:40:43.359
<v Speaker 1>while they're seeing variability across different markets, for the most part,

0:40:43.480 --> 0:40:45.640
<v Speaker 1>they don't think we're in a recession. So you're getting

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of different data points that are out there,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'd say, clearly with what the markets in the

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<v Speaker 1>past couple of days, people view this more as an

0:40:52.560 --> 0:40:56.319
<v Speaker 1>idiosyncratic issue with snap because they've had while they've been

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<v Speaker 1>growing users, they've had a declining share of usage relative

0:41:00.480 --> 0:41:03.160
<v Speaker 1>to the rise of TikTok and reels on Instagram, and

0:41:03.280 --> 0:41:05.640
<v Speaker 1>that's been a hard thing for Snapchat to have to navigate.

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<v Speaker 1>So so far we've seen the Snapchat news be um

0:41:09.960 --> 0:41:12.960
<v Speaker 1>potentially isolating, but we're really not going to know for

0:41:13.000 --> 0:41:15.439
<v Speaker 1>another six to eight weeks when earning season lights up again.

0:41:16.080 --> 0:41:18.600
<v Speaker 1>Now we saw this big broad com VM where deal

0:41:18.680 --> 0:41:22.520
<v Speaker 1>get announced today, tech stocks bouncing back. Where where are

0:41:22.560 --> 0:41:25.279
<v Speaker 1>you pleasing your bets for next week? I mean, you know,

0:41:25.360 --> 0:41:27.520
<v Speaker 1>there's so much concern that we're you know, you know,

0:41:27.680 --> 0:41:29.520
<v Speaker 1>heading into a recession, that this is going to be

0:41:29.680 --> 0:41:33.439
<v Speaker 1>some long drawn out period of pain, and then other

0:41:33.600 --> 0:41:36.680
<v Speaker 1>signs that maybe it's it's it's it's just a blip.

0:41:38.040 --> 0:41:42.480
<v Speaker 1>It's noisy, it's very noisy. Um, you know, we're I

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<v Speaker 1>think you're right that this is just the beginning of

0:41:45.640 --> 0:41:48.160
<v Speaker 1>a wave of acquisitions. You had a chart up earlier

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<v Speaker 1>with five different acquisitions that we've already seen this year,

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<v Speaker 1>all in the multi billion dollar phase. I think it

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<v Speaker 1>is extremely reasonable to assume that the second half of

0:41:57.320 --> 0:42:00.440
<v Speaker 1>this year will have an even faster pace of act positions.

0:42:00.680 --> 0:42:02.880
<v Speaker 1>There's simply too much dry powder out there. There's too

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<v Speaker 1>much cash sitting on corporate balance sheets, and there's too

0:42:05.760 --> 0:42:08.719
<v Speaker 1>many valuations that are really attractive. So if you're if

0:42:08.719 --> 0:42:11.239
<v Speaker 1>you're Google and you're sitting there and wondering how to

0:42:11.440 --> 0:42:14.520
<v Speaker 1>you know, turn Google images into Pinterest, Uh, you're like, wow,

0:42:14.600 --> 0:42:16.600
<v Speaker 1>this could take a few years, or we could try

0:42:16.640 --> 0:42:19.799
<v Speaker 1>and go and buy the company for billion dollars. That's

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<v Speaker 1>just something that wasn't in the cards a couple of

0:42:22.200 --> 0:42:25.000
<v Speaker 1>years ago when prices were too high. And so when

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<v Speaker 1>you have some of these larger businesses whose growth rates

0:42:27.480 --> 0:42:30.200
<v Speaker 1>are slowing, with some of these smaller businesses that still

0:42:30.239 --> 0:42:33.239
<v Speaker 1>have penetrating growth rates. By the way Snapchat might be

0:42:33.400 --> 0:42:36.719
<v Speaker 1>up for sale fifteen billion dollars for one of the

0:42:36.840 --> 0:42:41.200
<v Speaker 1>world's very few social networks that works internationally. Uh, it's

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<v Speaker 1>gonna get be a really interesting conversation, I think for

0:42:44.560 --> 0:42:47.600
<v Speaker 1>a lot of these assets that are that are pretty unique. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>and we'll see how it goes. You just gave our

0:42:50.640 --> 0:42:53.960
<v Speaker 1>print reporters, uh, some homework there to chase some deals.

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<v Speaker 1>Robert Cantwell of Upholdings as always great to have you.

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<v Speaker 1>That does it for this edition of Bloomwork Technology. Emily

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<v Speaker 1>Chang in San Francisco, Solar Winds CEO, will be joining

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<v Speaker 1>us to talk cyber tomorrow