WEBVTT - Drive Time: Edge 2024 Dolphins Draft Preview with Trevor Sikkema

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<v Speaker 1>To on the move, going deep speedways. Peace do hell

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<v Speaker 1>peas do. From the Baptist Health Studio.

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<v Speaker 2>This inside the Baptist Health Training Complex. This is Drive

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<v Speaker 2>Time with Travis Wingfield.

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<v Speaker 3>Heasy my hands in the playoffs? What is up, Dolphans

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<v Speaker 3>And welcome to the Draft Time Podcast. I am your host,

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<v Speaker 3>Travis Wingfield. And on today's show we continue the preview

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<v Speaker 3>series and flip it over to the defensive side of

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<v Speaker 3>the football with the great Trevor Sikamoff from Pro Football Focus. Plus,

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<v Speaker 3>you guys have some questions, want to talk about Eric Azukama,

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<v Speaker 3>the running back position in general, and also take a

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<v Speaker 3>look at a review on the podcast up on Apple

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<v Speaker 3>Podcasts I believe it was, and finally discuss the Tua

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<v Speaker 3>throwing motion video. All of that and a heck of

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<v Speaker 3>a lot more from the Baptist Health Studios inside the

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<v Speaker 3>Baptist Health Training Complex.

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<v Speaker 1>This is.

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<v Speaker 3>The Draft Time Podcast. But it was a video that

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<v Speaker 3>momentarily broke Twitter. It was to a throwing a football

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<v Speaker 3>right And I don't think you know, I don't talk

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<v Speaker 3>about this a whole heck of a lot, but one

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<v Speaker 3>thing that I do have my Malcolm Gladwell ten thousand

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<v Speaker 3>hours in is throwing and catching baseball's, footballs, any type

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<v Speaker 3>of sport ball, including footballs. All I did as a

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<v Speaker 3>kid was get home from school, go outside in my

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<v Speaker 3>backyard and would throw the baseball ou to myself and

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<v Speaker 3>hit it, and then throw the ball against that net

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<v Speaker 3>that could either propel a ground ball or a fly ball.

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<v Speaker 3>And I would pretend like I was playing in the

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<v Speaker 3>major leagues and play these games over and over and

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<v Speaker 3>over again. Or I'd go to the front yard and

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<v Speaker 3>shoot hoops for three hours and do the exact same

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<v Speaker 3>thing all by myself until I got older. Then my

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<v Speaker 3>friends would come over and do the exact same thing.

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<v Speaker 3>So all I did my whole life was play sports.

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<v Speaker 3>And I can tell you about my own experience with

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<v Speaker 3>changing a throwing motion. Not quite an NFL quarterback, but

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<v Speaker 3>close right a legion. Baseball and field are close, right,

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<v Speaker 3>very very close, so I could always.

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<v Speaker 2>Hit that was never a pro.

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<v Speaker 3>But when the field expanded to big league size, which

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<v Speaker 3>by the way, in my day. In my day, they

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<v Speaker 3>made us go from sixty foot base paths and two

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<v Speaker 3>hundred foot fences to ninety foot base paths and four

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<v Speaker 3>hundred foot fences, why where was the middle ground there.

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<v Speaker 3>I always wondered that in my high school park actually

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<v Speaker 3>had a four hundred foot dead center fence with a

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<v Speaker 3>twenty five foot tall fence on top of that.

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<v Speaker 2>Pretty dumb.

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<v Speaker 3>But I wasn't getting any at bats or starts my

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<v Speaker 3>freshman year on the junior legion team, and I asked

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<v Speaker 3>the coach, like coach, I'm a better hitter than Jake,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm a better hitter than Eric, the shorts top and

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<v Speaker 3>second basement that are playing more than I am. Why

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<v Speaker 3>am I not playing more? He said, well, we can't

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<v Speaker 3>trust you to throw the baseball to first base. And

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<v Speaker 3>I took that personally. So I got with the assistant

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<v Speaker 3>coach and we drilled my throwing motion every day for

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<v Speaker 3>a couple of weeks. I went from a long, looping

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<v Speaker 3>wind up to a condensed throwing motion with the ball

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<v Speaker 3>tight high, elbow tight to the ear. Keep everything tight

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<v Speaker 3>and condensed, and that should get the ball out faster

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<v Speaker 3>and add arm strength, and it did add velocity and

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<v Speaker 3>distance suddenly to my throwing arm. I became our utility

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<v Speaker 3>guy because I couldn't get out of lineup with a

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<v Speaker 3>decent enough throwing arm and a good bat to boot.

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<v Speaker 3>So that all comes back to say, from watching the

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<v Speaker 3>side by side videos of Tua from last year to this,

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<v Speaker 3>I see the exact same change. First, the armslot is different.

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<v Speaker 3>It's more over the top with a very pronounced elevation

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<v Speaker 3>in the elbow, and this maximizes the torque you can

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<v Speaker 3>get from the arm release.

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<v Speaker 2>But it's more than that.

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<v Speaker 3>Everything becomes more compact, including the load, the hip clear

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<v Speaker 3>and ultimately the release, which is the most important part

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<v Speaker 3>of it. Right If you watch last year, when the

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<v Speaker 3>ball leaves Tua's hand, his base is spread well beyond

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<v Speaker 3>shoulder with the part. If I can compare it to

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<v Speaker 3>a golf swing, it's kind of like clearing your hips

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<v Speaker 3>at the same time as the contact with a clubface.

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<v Speaker 3>If you play, you know you want to start clearing

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<v Speaker 3>those hips before you get the club face steep and

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<v Speaker 3>through the zone. So it's a definitive change if you

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<v Speaker 3>look at it. A lot of people don't remember this,

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<v Speaker 3>but Joe Burrow actually was the one in the twenty

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<v Speaker 3>twenty class that had arm strength questions coming out of

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<v Speaker 3>college and he worked with Tom House and two was

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<v Speaker 3>working with John Beck more than Tom House. Here, just

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<v Speaker 3>to let that go by the wayside. But it's the

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<v Speaker 3>same idea, the same shift. And look at this quote

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<v Speaker 3>that I found. Here's a quote Urban Meyer used to shout,

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<v Speaker 3>you throw like a girl to Joe Burrow at Ohio State.

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<v Speaker 3>And so Burrow went to Tom House and learned the

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<v Speaker 3>same motion that both Brady and Breeze perfected your soul

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<v Speaker 3>on that right. Let's go ahead and get into the

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<v Speaker 3>article here, because Urban well, first of all, he was terrible,

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<v Speaker 3>but he would say things like not enough velocity, Joe,

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<v Speaker 3>you're a Division three quarterback, Joe, you throw like a girl.

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<v Speaker 3>And Burrow acknowledged that his arm strength wasn't up to par.

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<v Speaker 3>He said, I completely changed the way I throw the football.

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<v Speaker 3>The entire three DQB plane is built around four core

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<v Speaker 3>legs of the performance table, functional strength and conditioning, mechanics

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<v Speaker 3>and motion analysis, mental and emotional makeup, and nutrition. From there,

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<v Speaker 3>and athlete's weaknesses are identified and a personalized program is

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<v Speaker 3>built to fit accordingly. Burrow's problem, the team discovered from

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<v Speaker 3>the article had less to do with his actual arm

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<v Speaker 3>strength that it did his footwork, lower body and core.

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<v Speaker 3>Tom Brady, maybe House's most famous and accomplished client, said

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<v Speaker 3>in a testimonial I've been working with Tom House on

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<v Speaker 3>what's called ground force reduction kinetic sequencing, getting the power

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<v Speaker 3>from the ground, which translates from the ground to your legs,

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<v Speaker 3>to your hips to the shoulders, and all the energy

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<v Speaker 3>is going towards the target end quote. I mean this

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<v Speaker 3>sounds like how I talk about I'm blocking route running everything.

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<v Speaker 3>It all starts from the ground. Anyway, The story is

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<v Speaker 3>on the athletic type in Joe Burrow, Tom House, and

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<v Speaker 3>you'll find it. But just from reading that, like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>it's Twua's base and JT. O. Sullivan has mentioned this.

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<v Speaker 3>Kurt Warner has mentioned this in his breakdown videos. Two

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<v Speaker 3>was missus can almost always point back to the same

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<v Speaker 3>base issue. But when he's off the top of the

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<v Speaker 3>drop hitches up, that's when you get those dimes like

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<v Speaker 3>we saw to Wattle versus the Jets twice, Tyreek versus

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<v Speaker 3>the Jets, Tyreek versus the Eagles, Tyreek versus the Pats,

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<v Speaker 3>Tyreek versus the Giants, Tyreek versus the Panthers, Tyreek versus

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<v Speaker 3>the Chargers, Tyreek versus the Commander's twice t versus the Cowboys,

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<v Speaker 3>Wattle versus the Cowboys.

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<v Speaker 2>You get it.

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<v Speaker 3>He's pretty good and now it should be even better.

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<v Speaker 3>I want to get into your questions here shortly, but

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<v Speaker 3>first I'd like to acknowledge a review on the podcast

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<v Speaker 3>that I saw, and this comes in from ms MF nine,

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<v Speaker 3>who says Travis works for the team, so yes, he

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<v Speaker 3>knows more about the team itself than most fans, but

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<v Speaker 3>isn't necessary. But it isn't necessary to act like everyone

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<v Speaker 3>who listens are amateur, as he often states. There are

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<v Speaker 3>plenty of people who know as much, if not more

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<v Speaker 3>than Travis. Every podcast, Travis likes to throw shade at

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<v Speaker 3>other podcasts, but never actually calls them out. I find

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<v Speaker 3>that to be unprofessional and amateur. If you have something

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<v Speaker 3>to say, don't beat around the bush, just say it.

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<v Speaker 3>I actually appreciate that feedback because I did not know

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<v Speaker 3>it was coming off that way, and it allows me

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<v Speaker 3>to address things this way. Maybe it's maybe that's just

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<v Speaker 3>how you feel, maybe no one else was that way,

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<v Speaker 3>but I want to address it and take that matter seriously,

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<v Speaker 3>because first, the amateur comments that I make are about me.

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<v Speaker 3>I always say my amateur eye. You'll hear me in

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<v Speaker 3>press conferences. Ask that from my amateur eye. I'm an

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<v Speaker 3>amateur because I am. I do get paid to talk

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<v Speaker 3>about football, but I'm not a coach. I don't get

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<v Speaker 3>paid to devise game plans and call plays. I respect

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<v Speaker 3>the hell out of that and I couldn't do it,

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<v Speaker 3>but I'm not qualified for that. Now, you say, I

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<v Speaker 3>do have access to things that most people don't, and I.

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<v Speaker 2>Use the shit out of those resources.

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<v Speaker 3>Buddy, I'm not one for going online and bloviating about

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<v Speaker 3>things I haven't studied up on.

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<v Speaker 2>I know it's rare these days, right.

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<v Speaker 3>That's the other podcast that I crap on, and I

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<v Speaker 3>crapped on Twitter to his face the other day.

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<v Speaker 2>More on that moment.

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<v Speaker 3>So if I see Bradley Chubb have a rep in

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<v Speaker 3>a game that I think is cool, but I have

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<v Speaker 3>a question about it, I'll ask him about how did

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<v Speaker 3>you develop that catalog of rush moves and get to

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<v Speaker 3>that point where you exploited this from the tackle in

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<v Speaker 3>the game. I'll go ask him and he tells me

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<v Speaker 3>that's the best part of the job. Because I am

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<v Speaker 3>not McDaniel, I am not Frank Smith. I do not

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<v Speaker 3>have a PhD on this stuff. I'm trying to learn

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<v Speaker 3>the best I can. I think I maximize the time

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<v Speaker 3>and resources that I do have now that set. Do

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<v Speaker 3>other people study coaching clinics? Do they get personal lessons

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<v Speaker 3>of NFL players and coaches? Do these people watch twenty

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<v Speaker 3>plus hours of tape a week? I doubt it. I

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<v Speaker 3>think that differentiates me in a little bit, just a

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<v Speaker 3>little bit, and so I do think I have a

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<v Speaker 3>little bit more to say than the average fan. I

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<v Speaker 3>think I think there's a lot of I don't like

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<v Speaker 3>for baseball and basketball. I don't care about spin rate

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<v Speaker 3>and you know, the art of the pick and roll.

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<v Speaker 3>I just watched the game. I think that's how a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of football fans are too. So I'm trying to

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<v Speaker 3>explain to the folks that are somewhat interested but don't

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<v Speaker 3>really like want to dive all the way, And that's

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<v Speaker 3>kind of the needle I'm trying to threat at. The

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<v Speaker 3>content is like, let's get smarter and learn about football,

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<v Speaker 3>but help explain it in a way that someone that's

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<v Speaker 3>not as well verse can understand. That's the only thing

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<v Speaker 3>I'm going for there, and with full transparency. The reason

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<v Speaker 3>that I do go, you know, one on one on

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<v Speaker 3>some of the commentary is that that's a note I've

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<v Speaker 3>gotten from people above me that said, Hey, I don't

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<v Speaker 3>know what you're talking about.

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<v Speaker 2>Try to maybe include that more in your content.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, not everyone knows these terms, and you have

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<v Speaker 3>to explain things with these casual fans that don't want

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<v Speaker 3>to be more than casual fans. And that's totally fine.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm that way with every other sport that I watch.

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<v Speaker 3>That's all that is. It's not meant to be a slight.

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<v Speaker 3>I want to be inclusive as I can be. I

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<v Speaker 3>hope that makes sense. Now you mentioned the shade, and

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<v Speaker 3>first I thought it was abundantly clear who I call

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<v Speaker 3>out frequently on the podcast, right, and I'll tell them

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<v Speaker 3>this to their face. In fact, I have I even asked.

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<v Speaker 3>This is not who I'm talking about now, but Chris Perkins,

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<v Speaker 3>who writes for the Sun Sentinel, I think, right, and

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<v Speaker 3>he predicted nine to eighth this year and the team

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<v Speaker 3>goes eleven and six. Then he has asked McDaniel, if

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<v Speaker 3>you're like, oh, you're on the hot seat, I'm like,

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<v Speaker 3>how did how do you connect those dust?

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<v Speaker 2>They exceeded your expectations?

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<v Speaker 3>Now you want fired to I did that in front

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<v Speaker 3>of the entire presser room, and there was a fun

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<v Speaker 3>conversation you know who, where you will not see me

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<v Speaker 3>calling people out on Twitter. That is going a no

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<v Speaker 3>goes on for me. Unless Omar says something that makes

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<v Speaker 3>no sense. Then sometimes I'll get in there and cleared

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<v Speaker 3>up for him, which happens just what every day, it

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<v Speaker 3>seems like. But here's that's where I get really annoyed.

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<v Speaker 3>I think you, guys, the fans, I think you are

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<v Speaker 3>served up a disservice by several voices, but in particular

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<v Speaker 3>a couple of voices that we're kind of talking about

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<v Speaker 3>here in our media, and I've been very clear about

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<v Speaker 3>who that is. You know, Omar left for a year

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<v Speaker 3>and came back and then joined another How should we say,

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<v Speaker 3>I guess negative blowviator for clicks, type of commentator I

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<v Speaker 3>don't know on a podcast, and I don't listen to

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<v Speaker 3>the podcast. I would never do that. I just see

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<v Speaker 3>the montages y'all cut up like oh my going on

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<v Speaker 3>the Big Oh Show and emphatically claiming that Wilkins is

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<v Speaker 3>only good because he plays half the snaps gets corrected

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<v Speaker 3>and then just never acknowledges it and is indignant in

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<v Speaker 3>his ignorance, like I have no time for that. He

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<v Speaker 3>totally made something up and had no idea about it

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<v Speaker 3>and tried to present it as fact. And there are

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<v Speaker 3>so many examples of that guy's like whether it's on

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<v Speaker 3>a show and content or just in talking like in

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<v Speaker 3>the hallways. And I'm never ever ever going to do that.

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<v Speaker 3>That just taking shortcuts. I think that's taking advantage of

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<v Speaker 3>your position because you're in a trusted position where people

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<v Speaker 3>trust your voice and what your eyes can see because

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<v Speaker 3>no one else can see it for the most part.

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<v Speaker 3>And quite frankly, I view it as stealing. You're robbing

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<v Speaker 3>people that are paying for subscriptions or for your advertising base,

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<v Speaker 3>like whatever it is, I'll never forget. Training Camp twenty

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<v Speaker 3>twenty back at Davy, Tua throws this dime a sixty

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<v Speaker 3>yard bomb to Jaquem grant Omar's podcast partner, who was

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<v Speaker 3>referenced by name on the.

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<v Speaker 2>Podcast last week.

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<v Speaker 3>By the way, tweets out that Tua held the ball

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<v Speaker 3>too long and it would have been a sec. I

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<v Speaker 3>will never I remember the second it was yesterday, would

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<v Speaker 3>have been a sack. Held the ball too long, and

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<v Speaker 3>I knew what he was doing. I saw it called

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<v Speaker 3>out as such on Twitter and said that's not true.

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<v Speaker 3>That ball came out as fast as it possibly could have,

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<v Speaker 3>and he said I couldn't be trusted because I work

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<v Speaker 3>for the team.

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<v Speaker 2>It's the obvious.

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<v Speaker 3>That's the almost a facto response that I get when

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<v Speaker 3>someone wants to discredit my thoughts and my work mirror

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<v Speaker 3>hours later and maybe your boy had something to do

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<v Speaker 3>with this. The video comes out on a tweet from

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<v Speaker 3>the Miami Dolphins, and from snap to release, it's less

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<v Speaker 3>than two seconds from the time that the center snaps

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<v Speaker 3>the ball ata and the time it leaves his left

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<v Speaker 3>hand going sixty yards down the field, less than two seconds.

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<v Speaker 3>Allen's leads the tweet, you got caught, Bro. I can't

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<v Speaker 3>stop the grift. I can't do it, but I hope

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<v Speaker 3>that the audience also listens here and that's a fact

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<v Speaker 3>check for them.

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<v Speaker 2>That's all I'm doing. We go with that. Maybe not,

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<v Speaker 2>but I'm not stopping.

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<v Speaker 3>I only have y'all's interest in mind, and I will

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<v Speaker 3>not stand will not stand for indignant ignorance when it

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<v Speaker 3>comes to this team when I know better.

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<v Speaker 2>That's all.

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<v Speaker 3>Let's go ahead and take a break rate there, come

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<v Speaker 3>back on the other side and get into a couple

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<v Speaker 3>of questions as you guys have from Twitter.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll do that next year.

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<v Speaker 3>Draft Time Podcast, your host Travis Wingfield, brought to you

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<v Speaker 3>by AutoNation.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's pick it back.

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<v Speaker 3>Up here on this Friday edition of the Drive Time

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<v Speaker 3>Podcast with a couple of questions from y'all. I'm loving

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<v Speaker 3>the feedback in the threads or the straight tweets you

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<v Speaker 3>guys send to me. I'm bookmarking those with the intention

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<v Speaker 3>of answering them for you, and I will keep an

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<v Speaker 3>eye on the reviews. I hope that that review segment

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<v Speaker 3>previously didn't turn anybody off. I just wanted to be

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<v Speaker 3>transparent with you guys about you know what I saw

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<v Speaker 3>one fan thought, and so I wanted to address that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there you go.

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<v Speaker 3>Let's go ahead and hear from at Mike lane Cec

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<v Speaker 3>on Twitter. Great content. I appreciate the Dolphins focus on

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<v Speaker 3>how you partner with the draft coverage and other news. Obviously,

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<v Speaker 3>it depends on how the board fell. But do you

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<v Speaker 3>see us going with depth running back late to prepare

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<v Speaker 3>for Moster or Wilson's cliff or departure in one to

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<v Speaker 3>two years. I love this question because I think it's

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<v Speaker 3>a good way to maybe attach a disconnect that I

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<v Speaker 3>frequently see and that every year we get a draft pick,

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<v Speaker 3>and it last year was the first pick we had

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<v Speaker 3>right the cornerback, which two years in a row. Cornerback

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<v Speaker 3>has been one of the most banged up positions on

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<v Speaker 3>a very banged up football team in your Miami Dolphins.

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<v Speaker 3>But every year there's a draft pick where it's like

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<v Speaker 3>they didn't need X, Y or Z, they.

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<v Speaker 2>Needed a B or C.

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<v Speaker 3>And I just don't think that's how teams think, especially

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<v Speaker 3>when you get deeper into the draft. But I always say,

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<v Speaker 3>go into the draft with I must get this or

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<v Speaker 3>I will not get that is a good way to

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<v Speaker 3>have a bad draft. That's not letting the draft board

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<v Speaker 3>fall to you. And like every year we watch these teams,

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<v Speaker 3>the Ravens, right like, they just let the draft fall

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<v Speaker 3>to them and they wind up getting Isaiah Likely in

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<v Speaker 3>the fourth round, like every damn year they do that,

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<v Speaker 3>and it works out because some name that shouldn't be

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<v Speaker 3>there winds up there and they're like, okay, bet we'll

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<v Speaker 3>take them. And while later on those lines become less rigid,

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<v Speaker 3>but like, man, if that fifth round pick comes around

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<v Speaker 3>and you have a perceived need and you have a

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<v Speaker 3>running back that you think is going to be a player.

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<v Speaker 3>Take the player that you think will be a player,

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<v Speaker 3>because if you draft or need, the odds of that

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<v Speaker 3>guy hitting is what like ten percent at that point

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<v Speaker 3>of the draft. But if it's a guy that's actually

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<v Speaker 3>a good football player, that is a position you maybe

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<v Speaker 3>don't need right now, you increase the odds and that

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<v Speaker 3>just gives you a cheap player for four years if

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<v Speaker 3>you hit on that pick. And I love that you

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<v Speaker 3>bring up the running back because I think we could

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<v Speaker 3>play a game tomorrow and I'd be thrilled with what

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<v Speaker 3>we have in our our holster. Now that said, there's

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<v Speaker 3>also a back that I think makes so much damn sense.

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<v Speaker 3>If you're Miami, if you make it that far down

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<v Speaker 3>the board, maybe it's and maybe it's earlier if you

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<v Speaker 3>acquire a pick via a trade back.

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<v Speaker 2>But Louisville's Isaac Grendo.

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<v Speaker 3>And I mean, I'm sure you guys have heard of

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<v Speaker 3>him by now, but you'll see you'll you'll get it

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<v Speaker 3>when I say this four three three forty yard dash

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<v Speaker 3>was the fastest among all running backs this year in Indie.

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<v Speaker 3>He's six foot two, twenty one interested yet forty one

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<v Speaker 3>and a half inch vertical ten oh nine broad, a

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<v Speaker 3>one five to four to ten split, a four to

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<v Speaker 3>one five shuttle, and a six nine to four to

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<v Speaker 3>three cone. He's not like, he's not a chan where

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<v Speaker 3>he finds those small creases and hits him and explodes

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<v Speaker 3>through him. But gosh, there's long speed and there's power,

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<v Speaker 3>and that really translates on tape. He does have good

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<v Speaker 3>feel and vision and patience and he knows how to

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<v Speaker 3>hit the track to hit the proper gap. His tackle

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<v Speaker 3>breaking ability on the third level is there. He has

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<v Speaker 3>some patients. I think his initial burst takes a bit

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<v Speaker 3>to build up, which is why I think there's a

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<v Speaker 3>chance that he hangs around until day three in the draft.

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<v Speaker 3>But if he's there, and I love my running back room,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm prepared to love it even more because I have

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<v Speaker 3>zero issues grabbing this guy and developing him for a

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<v Speaker 3>year now. He's not the only one, He's just the

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<v Speaker 3>top one for me in terms of late round options.

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<v Speaker 3>But yeah, always always always keep the light on Motel

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<v Speaker 3>six style for talented football players. Man, you gotta do it.

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<v Speaker 3>And I think Chris Brooks is a really nice developmental piece.

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<v Speaker 3>From a power standpoint. You mentioned hefe he brings some

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<v Speaker 3>of that as well. And we know what we have

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<v Speaker 3>in Devon a Chan and Raheem Moster. Savon's a jack

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<v Speaker 3>of all trades and special teams guy. I just think

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<v Speaker 3>the draft is too often viewed as a way to

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<v Speaker 3>shore up weak spots. I think you shouldn't have that

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<v Speaker 3>in your mind. I think you should think about this

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<v Speaker 3>is an opportunity to get guys that can be cheap,

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<v Speaker 3>productive players for four years, and that affords me more

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<v Speaker 3>flexibility in my contract extensions. It affords me more ability

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<v Speaker 3>to be aggressive and free agency. It just makes everything better.

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<v Speaker 3>When I have a seven hundred thousand dollars player playing

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<v Speaker 3>like a top twenty player his position.

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<v Speaker 2>It works out great for you.

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<v Speaker 3>But absolutely also just the idea of adding to a

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<v Speaker 3>strength is also a good way to make your football

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<v Speaker 3>team better. How can I make the team better? Do

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<v Speaker 3>that with every decision and you'll have good results. Great question, Mike.

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<v Speaker 3>Let's get to another one here from at fins up

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<v Speaker 3>to A and I actually just saw this guy not

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<v Speaker 3>fins up to A, but the guy we're going to

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<v Speaker 3>talk about in the breakfast line, and he is chomping

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<v Speaker 3>at the bit to play some football. Since you were

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<v Speaker 3>talking about wide receiver today, he asks, where do you

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<v Speaker 3>think Eric Azukama comes into play next season? Love the podcast, Well,

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<v Speaker 3>thank you for that. So we know that someone on

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<v Speaker 3>this team is going to come from out of nowhere,

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<v Speaker 3>Randy Orton right and be a big part of what

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<v Speaker 3>this team accomplishes or does not in twenty twenty four.

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<v Speaker 3>It happens every damn year with every team. Remember Malcolm

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<v Speaker 3>Rodriguez for the Lions in their hard knock season. Even

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<v Speaker 3>the linebackers coach Kelvin Shepherd's like telling the veterans like,

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<v Speaker 3>you guys are gonna leave me no choice. I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 3>have to play Rodrigo because he's out playing y'all. It

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<v Speaker 3>happens every year. You signed like Russell Wilson over Matt Flynn. Guys,

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<v Speaker 3>remember that. I know you guys were, I know we

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<v Speaker 3>were all part of the Matt Flynn like get him

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<v Speaker 3>to Miami under Joe Philbin yike, what a mistake that

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<v Speaker 3>would have been, but would have mattered because it didn't

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<v Speaker 3>matter what we did anyways.

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<v Speaker 2>Because it's terrible football coach.

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<v Speaker 3>But Russell Wilson was a third round draft pick who

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<v Speaker 3>was undersized, and he beats him Ountain training camp. Do

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<v Speaker 3>you think anyone saw that coming? You know, cater Cooho

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<v Speaker 3>was a name that nobody outside the organization was privy

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<v Speaker 3>to except for our guy Emory, who does the podcast

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<v Speaker 3>and gets it right every year. But you get what

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<v Speaker 3>I'm saying. I don't think a lot of fans would

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<v Speaker 3>have predicted an Austin Jackson in season extension coming off

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<v Speaker 3>of twelve weeks of damn good football or whatever it

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<v Speaker 3>was at that point. So it's gonna happen, And that

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<v Speaker 3>entire preamble is a way to tell you that I

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<v Speaker 3>think the Eric Azuokama is, if not at the very

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<v Speaker 3>top of that list, for me, very close to the

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<v Speaker 3>top of that list. I thought we saw glimpses last year,

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<v Speaker 3>just like I did with Austin twenty twenty two before

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<v Speaker 3>the injury. You know, camp in preseason, there were some

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<v Speaker 3>good reps there. I think there's a unique skill set

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<v Speaker 3>in terms of getting into your screen, swing game, your

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<v Speaker 3>backfield alignments, and then I think about him running the

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<v Speaker 3>football on that end around going for fifty yards in

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<v Speaker 3>the preseason or the slot fade two years ago when

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<v Speaker 3>he mosses a cornerback as a rookie. I remember those

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<v Speaker 3>reps in the two games last year, Remember the Texas

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<v Speaker 3>Tech tape where he, quite frankly was essentially kind of

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<v Speaker 3>what Malachi Corley at Western Kentucky this year is. I

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<v Speaker 3>think the world of Azukama skill set. I think year

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<v Speaker 3>three in the offense may be a little bit more

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<v Speaker 3>maturity there with coach Welker, I think you could expect

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<v Speaker 3>probably a decent amount of mastery of what he's doing,

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<v Speaker 3>or at least a better understanding of what he's doing

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<v Speaker 3>where he's supposed to be.

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<v Speaker 2>All of that.

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<v Speaker 3>So I think, yeah, Eric Azukama is kind of an

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<v Speaker 3>ace up the sleeve, and we do make the move

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<v Speaker 3>for if we do make the move for OBJ or

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<v Speaker 3>draft someone from this awesome class, all of a sudden

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<v Speaker 3>reek waddle with the rookie or OBJ, and then Eric Azukama,

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<v Speaker 3>I like that room a whole, that of a lot,

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<v Speaker 3>and just not the top two guys, but the entire group.

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<v Speaker 3>And you include Braxt and River creak Craft in there

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<v Speaker 3>as well. So great stuff to guys, Let's go a

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<v Speaker 3>great stuff to guys today, guys. Let's go ahead and

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<v Speaker 3>get to my guest next on the Draft Time podcast,

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<v Speaker 3>Trevor Sikama, brought to you by AutoNation, joining us today

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<v Speaker 3>a longtime friend of the podcast previous and current affiliation,

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<v Speaker 3>which of course now is Pro Football Focus, and the

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<v Speaker 3>host of NFL Stock Exchange podcast. Outstanding name by the way,

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<v Speaker 3>Tampa Bay Tray Trevor.

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<v Speaker 2>What's up, buddy, God?

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<v Speaker 1>It is good to be with you, my friend.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm excited to talk a little NFL draft here with

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<v Speaker 4>you at Little Miami Dolphins Football. This is man, this

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<v Speaker 4>is a great time of year, getting to actually put

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<v Speaker 4>these prospects to certain teams and talk about possibilities.

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<v Speaker 1>Man, I'm excited for it.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, you gave me two options when I asked

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<v Speaker 3>you to do the podcast about position groups. I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 3>go with the edge group with you. And here's why.

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<v Speaker 3>I think there's a potential for a really, really, really

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<v Speaker 3>good edge prospect being there at twenty one. And although

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<v Speaker 3>we have three that I think are damn good right

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<v Speaker 3>in our backyard behind me here accomplished players, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>Jalen Phillips, Perley Chubb, Shaq Barrett, why not four?

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<v Speaker 4>Right?

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<v Speaker 3>I think it serves Miami and that you can get

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<v Speaker 3>an impact player for twenty twenty four. But one of

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<v Speaker 3>those guys is thirty one, another's twenty seven and doesn't

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<v Speaker 3>feel like Bradley Chubb is like way old than twenty

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<v Speaker 3>seven years old.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like it's been in the league for a

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<v Speaker 2>decade now.

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<v Speaker 4>I was literally just about to click on him to

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<v Speaker 4>see what his age is, because I would have guessed.

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<v Speaker 4>I would have guessed twenty nine, Like that would have

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<v Speaker 4>been my guest with Bradley Chubb, because you're right, it

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<v Speaker 4>feels like we have just been talking about him for forever,

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<v Speaker 4>and I feel like he's been able to hit his

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<v Speaker 4>stride a little.

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<v Speaker 1>Bit with Miami. So it's good.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean him will being only twenty seven, that's that's

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<v Speaker 4>fantastic for them obviously.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's like I see, like you know the ACL

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<v Speaker 3>can you be the same? It's like, guys, he's in

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<v Speaker 3>the peak of his athletic like prowess, like he'll be

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<v Speaker 3>he should be just fine there.

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<v Speaker 2>But either way, I digress.

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<v Speaker 3>So the whole point of that long winded question is

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<v Speaker 3>to say, tell me about the edge group of twenty one,

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<v Speaker 3>who is for sure gone in your opinion, who could

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<v Speaker 3>potentially slide to that spot, and if they.

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<v Speaker 2>Make it there, who do you like for Miami at

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<v Speaker 2>pick twenty one.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean Miami's interesting, right because you mentioned like they've

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<v Speaker 4>got some guys there that are really talented football players,

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<v Speaker 4>but just some injuries amongst the group. You know, Shaq

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<v Speaker 4>Beart's getting a little bit older. Obviously, Shack Beart played

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<v Speaker 4>in Tampa, so I watched a lot of him as

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<v Speaker 4>a Bucks fan growing up. So the team that I

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<v Speaker 4>pay very close attention to, And obviously Shack was great

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<v Speaker 4>when he first got there with the Bucks, but since

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<v Speaker 4>the Achilles injury, you just got to understand kind of

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<v Speaker 4>what you're getting. I think a rotational, really smart pass rusher.

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<v Speaker 4>That's where you're getting from him. But if you want

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<v Speaker 4>to up the explosive is there. When you talk about

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<v Speaker 4>Miami picking at number twenty one, it's interesting because I

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<v Speaker 4>would tell you that there's three edge rushers in Tier one.

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<v Speaker 4>I think Laatu Latu the pass rush specialist, just like

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<v Speaker 4>a karate black belt master, with how he uses his

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<v Speaker 4>hands and gets.

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<v Speaker 1>Into the backfield.

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<v Speaker 4>Best pass rusher in all of college football over the

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<v Speaker 4>last two years, no question about it.

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<v Speaker 1>In incredibly productive and efficient.

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<v Speaker 4>He's in that category, but his athleticism is a little

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<v Speaker 4>less than the other two guys, Dallas Turner from Alabama.

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<v Speaker 4>He's a little bit younger, crazy athlete, super long arms,

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<v Speaker 4>basically like exactly what you would want in a build

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<v Speaker 4>for a pass rusher. He's just still trying to get

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<v Speaker 4>there with the nuances and some of the technique and

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<v Speaker 4>really master in that pass rush profile. But he's somebody

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<v Speaker 4>to invest in more as like a stand up outside linebacker.

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<v Speaker 4>And then if you want more of like that heavy

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<v Speaker 4>handed kind of hand in the dirt four three defensive

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<v Speaker 4>end or honestly like a guy who plays I think

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<v Speaker 4>Laikah Bradley Chubb does with a lot of power. It's

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<v Speaker 4>Jared Verse. Jared Versus one of the most powerful defensive

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<v Speaker 4>ends prospects in this class. So all three of those

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<v Speaker 4>guys to me, have a chance of being available at

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<v Speaker 4>twenty one. I think Dallas Turners the least likely, just

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<v Speaker 4>because you know, we talk about him maybe coming off

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<v Speaker 4>the board at number eight for the Falcons, and so

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<v Speaker 4>some people might be listening to this and saying, WHOA, Well,

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<v Speaker 4>if we're thinking that you could go off the board

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<v Speaker 4>at eight, why would we think he's available at twenty one.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, here's the thing I do a lot of mock.

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<v Speaker 4>Draft exercises, and I tried to think about realistically what

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<v Speaker 4>these teams would go for, and sometimes just talent and

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<v Speaker 4>overall potential. Trump's whatever like team needs you might have.

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<v Speaker 4>But there's so many good offensive tackles, there's so many

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<v Speaker 4>good wide receivers, there's so many good corners, there's great quarterbacks.

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<v Speaker 4>Like we know, it's gonna define the top of the draft.

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<v Speaker 4>It's realistic to think these these really good edge rushers,

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<v Speaker 4>who could all be worthy of top fifteen picks, could

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<v Speaker 4>just slide down a little bit because of the nature

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<v Speaker 4>of how talented this draft is and how deep it

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<v Speaker 4>is at the premium position. So I would say that

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<v Speaker 4>Dallas Turner probably the least likely to get there at

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<v Speaker 4>twenty one, verse could have a chance depending on, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>if teams pass on him because he's not as much

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<v Speaker 4>of a stand up rusher as he is you know, handed,

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<v Speaker 4>the dirt type of brusher. And then with a lot two,

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<v Speaker 4>I'm not really sure. Like I mentioned, best pass rusher

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<v Speaker 4>in this class, no doubt about it. But you know,

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<v Speaker 4>he had a neck injury at Washington before he went

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<v Speaker 4>to UCLA, and that neck injury that he suffered during

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<v Speaker 4>spring football, Washington like medically retired him. They're like, hey,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, we we're not comfortable with you playing football anymore.

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<v Speaker 1>We're gonna Makeally retire you.

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<v Speaker 4>And I actually got to talk to a lot to

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<v Speaker 4>a little bit about it, and he was shocked by that.

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<v Speaker 4>Like he understood that he was probably gonna have surgery

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<v Speaker 4>and it was gonna be a long road. But they

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<v Speaker 4>were like, yeah, we're gonna make aally retire.

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<v Speaker 1>You're done.

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<v Speaker 4>He's like like, well, that's like all this happens so quickly,

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<v Speaker 4>So obviously he does his research. He goes to a

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<v Speaker 4>Great Surge and gets the surgery done on his neck.

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<v Speaker 4>UCLA actually works with the surgeon that did his surgery

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<v Speaker 4>on his neck, and so like they were very comfortable

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<v Speaker 4>with the rehab process and the procedure. So he ends

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<v Speaker 4>up transferring over to UCLA. He's played the last two years,

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<v Speaker 4>has been injury free there. But does that neck injury

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<v Speaker 4>being in his history scared teams.

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<v Speaker 2>A little bit?

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<v Speaker 4>Does it push him down a little bit? He's not

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<v Speaker 4>as good of an athlete as Verse or Turner is

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<v Speaker 4>as well. But if you want to make a major

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<v Speaker 4>splash at edge Rusher, I think one of those guys

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<v Speaker 4>could be available for them at twenty one.

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<v Speaker 1>I really do.

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<v Speaker 2>Gosh.

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<v Speaker 3>I lit up when you mentioned Lato, because first of all,

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<v Speaker 3>I knew who he was, but my first real exposure

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<v Speaker 3>was watching I think my Washington State Cougars were like

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<v Speaker 3>four and oh or five and one at some point

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<v Speaker 3>in the year, and he and cam Ward was rolling.

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<v Speaker 2>He was just cooking all season.

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<v Speaker 3>And then Law two shows up and wrecks the entire

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<v Speaker 3>game offensively for the kopsit and they never bounce back

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<v Speaker 3>from that. And then I watch him at the Senior

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<v Speaker 3>Bowl and they couldn't block him there. Like he's so

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<v Speaker 3>so dang good. I love his game so much, and

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<v Speaker 3>like the similarities with like the injury, the medical concerns,

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<v Speaker 3>going back to college with Jalen Phillips, the fact that

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<v Speaker 3>you played at UCLA, the fifteen jersey, like it just

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<v Speaker 3>right matches for me so many in so many ways.

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<v Speaker 2>And so he's the guy that I love. You mentioned

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<v Speaker 2>Jared Verse.

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<v Speaker 3>I think that he goes early too, so like there's

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<v Speaker 3>some good options there. Man.

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<v Speaker 2>Then you got like Chop Robinson is a guy that

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<v Speaker 2>is out there.

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<v Speaker 3>Darius Robinson's a guy that I like a lot and

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<v Speaker 3>they're kind of different players. But I wanted to follow

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<v Speaker 3>up with you on that question because you mentioned, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>Law two is so polished, like gosh, the Senia Bowl,

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<v Speaker 3>right he was he was showing you moves, counter moves,

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<v Speaker 3>counterra moves to the counter moves and he fakes the fake.

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<v Speaker 3>And then you got a guy like Chop Robinson who

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<v Speaker 3>just has like Cam wake leaping and get off in

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<v Speaker 3>burst ability. But maybe the tape isn't as good. How

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<v Speaker 3>do you And then also I guess how teams might

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<v Speaker 3>try to stack that, like how do you stack polish

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<v Speaker 3>versus upside, especially at this junction of the draft where

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<v Speaker 3>like it's not the top of the draft, but you're

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<v Speaker 3>still in the first round.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I mean it's it's always a balance, and it's

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<v Speaker 4>always situational. I don't say that the kind of like

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<v Speaker 4>tiptoe around the question, but like you know, if you're

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<v Speaker 4>drafting an edge rusher in the first round and you

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<v Speaker 4>need to come in and you need him to come

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<v Speaker 4>in and play right away, well, if you draft a

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<v Speaker 4>player who is in a developmental stage, even if he

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<v Speaker 4>has a really high ceiling, like that might not be

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<v Speaker 4>what your team really needs or you just might have

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<v Speaker 4>to understand, like, hey, I have to be patient here.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, I am wary of Chop Robinson because as

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<v Speaker 4>much as he has a really high pass rushing grade

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<v Speaker 4>in our grading system, he just doesn't have a lot

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<v Speaker 4>of backfield production, doesn't have long arms, has shorter strides. Yes,

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<v Speaker 4>he's extremely explosive, but he's not really built to defend

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<v Speaker 4>the run.

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<v Speaker 1>He's not really built to set the edge.

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<v Speaker 4>He's really just kind of a I'm gonna win off

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<v Speaker 4>of athleticism right now, which very clearly works for him

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<v Speaker 4>because he is an unbelievably gifted athlete at his size,

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<v Speaker 4>and it's working at the college level.

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<v Speaker 1>The NFL is a lot more difficult offensive tackles.

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<v Speaker 4>They get stronger, they get faster, but more importantly, they

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<v Speaker 4>get smarter, and if you don't know exactly what you're

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<v Speaker 4>doing with your hands, if you don't know how to

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<v Speaker 4>set them up, they're just going to be able to

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<v Speaker 4>blanket you.

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<v Speaker 1>You might get them once, you.

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<v Speaker 4>Know, but you need a first round dead rusher to

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<v Speaker 4>be able to give you more of a threat in

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<v Speaker 4>that regard. Now, all that to say, I am hesitant

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<v Speaker 4>with Chop Robinson in the first round, but for a

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<v Speaker 4>spot like Miami. This makes sense, right because in theory,

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<v Speaker 4>when the guys are healthy, you've got two guys that

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<v Speaker 4>are studs in Bradley Chubb and Jalen Phillips. You can

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<v Speaker 4>allow Chop Robinson to really just kind of come in

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<v Speaker 4>in these pass rush specialist situations early on in his career,

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<v Speaker 4>and then you know, obviously Bradley getting hurt later in

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<v Speaker 4>the season. If you need Jack Barrett to play right away,

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<v Speaker 4>you got a veteran presence right away who can play

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<v Speaker 4>for you, and Chop can still be in that more

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<v Speaker 4>pass rush specific rotational role to start off his career

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<v Speaker 4>and you can kind of develop them from there.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, I gotta say, I feel like content creators

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<v Speaker 3>that don't, you know, wear the logo that don't work

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<v Speaker 3>for the team, because I'm a big fan of the Dolphins. Offseason,

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<v Speaker 3>like I think Kyle Fuller was a great addition to

0:27:52.240 --> 0:27:54.120
<v Speaker 3>Jordan Brooks. The defense has made a lot of auditions

0:27:54.160 --> 0:27:56.439
<v Speaker 3>up front. Tire and Tart was a nice ad, But

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<v Speaker 3>I feel like for content creators that have seen them

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<v Speaker 3>kind of pick apart their holes that they had going

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<v Speaker 3>into the draft, and it creates all this flexibility for

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<v Speaker 3>what they could do. It could be a certain position,

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<v Speaker 3>it could be a hit now guy, a developmental guy

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<v Speaker 3>down the road. Like, there's so many variables the Dolphins

0:28:11.240 --> 0:28:14.520
<v Speaker 3>could could throw their hat into here with this upcoming draft.

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<v Speaker 3>And one thing I want to ask you about, because

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<v Speaker 3>we talked about Jalen Phillips and you know we love

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<v Speaker 3>Jalen Phillips is a stand up, like a true six,

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<v Speaker 3>seven to nine technique guy that can play out wide

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<v Speaker 3>of the formation. But I've also seen him condense Trevor

0:28:24.960 --> 0:28:26.840
<v Speaker 3>down to the three technique and run over a guard,

0:28:26.880 --> 0:28:29.200
<v Speaker 3>you know, like just bull rush a guard. We've seen

0:28:29.320 --> 0:28:32.080
<v Speaker 3>Christian Wilkins for years win from that three tech position

0:28:32.080 --> 0:28:34.760
<v Speaker 3>that he primarily plays, but also play a heavy five. Like,

0:28:35.119 --> 0:28:37.280
<v Speaker 3>I want to know from this draft who you think

0:28:37.359 --> 0:28:40.040
<v Speaker 3>is the best player that can do those things. Who's

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<v Speaker 3>the guy that they can play a five technique and

0:28:42.360 --> 0:28:45.760
<v Speaker 3>condense inside and be a nickel rusher, but also a

0:28:45.760 --> 0:28:47.920
<v Speaker 3>guy who can do the reverse, be a defensive tackle,

0:28:47.920 --> 0:28:49.880
<v Speaker 3>which gets away from the position group we're talking about here,

0:28:50.040 --> 0:28:52.280
<v Speaker 3>but someone that can play inside and then maybe kick

0:28:52.320 --> 0:28:53.800
<v Speaker 3>out side and play some end as well.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, there's two specific players at edge that I think

0:28:57.080 --> 0:29:00.840
<v Speaker 4>of immediately when you bring up that question, Brob Darius

0:29:00.920 --> 0:29:04.480
<v Speaker 4>Robinson from Missouri, I think he is one, right. He's

0:29:04.520 --> 0:29:07.000
<v Speaker 4>somebody who started his career first three years when he

0:29:07.040 --> 0:29:09.240
<v Speaker 4>was at Missouri, he was actually a defensive tackle.

0:29:09.400 --> 0:29:10.240
<v Speaker 1>Then they had him lose a.

0:29:10.240 --> 0:29:12.080
<v Speaker 4>Little bit more weight and they wanted to be a

0:29:12.160 --> 0:29:15.880
<v Speaker 4>more powerful, like defensive end type. He's kind of lost

0:29:15.920 --> 0:29:18.480
<v Speaker 4>and gained weight like throughout the draft season. You know,

0:29:18.520 --> 0:29:19.920
<v Speaker 4>he lost a little bit of wait for the Senior

0:29:19.960 --> 0:29:22.160
<v Speaker 4>Bowl and the Combine, but I think he's bulken up

0:29:22.160 --> 0:29:23.960
<v Speaker 4>a little bit more from his pro day at least

0:29:23.960 --> 0:29:25.520
<v Speaker 4>that was the reports that I kind of heard. And

0:29:25.560 --> 0:29:28.880
<v Speaker 4>so he's probably gonna play somewhere between I don't know,

0:29:29.240 --> 0:29:33.280
<v Speaker 4>you know, low two eighties to maybe right around the

0:29:33.480 --> 0:29:35.680
<v Speaker 4>low two nineties. It just depends what a team is

0:29:35.720 --> 0:29:37.520
<v Speaker 4>going to want to do with him. And he's somebody

0:29:37.600 --> 0:29:41.400
<v Speaker 4>who really powerful player. Now we saw at the Combine

0:29:41.520 --> 0:29:46.560
<v Speaker 4>he's not this rare athlete, Like He's got explosiveness for

0:29:46.760 --> 0:29:49.240
<v Speaker 4>his size, there's no doubt about it. But you know,

0:29:49.280 --> 0:29:51.760
<v Speaker 4>he still ran one of the slowest forties of the

0:29:51.840 --> 0:29:52.560
<v Speaker 4>edge rush group.

0:29:52.640 --> 0:29:55.000
<v Speaker 1>Like it's not like this dude's a total freak show.

0:29:55.000 --> 0:29:57.280
<v Speaker 4>When it comes at letticism, you still got to operate

0:29:57.600 --> 0:30:00.160
<v Speaker 4>in the realistic world here and say, all right, he's

0:30:00.200 --> 0:30:04.520
<v Speaker 4>a plus explosive defensive end, but he's not really this

0:30:04.560 --> 0:30:06.880
<v Speaker 4>guy that's gonna, you know, get off the ball and

0:30:07.000 --> 0:30:09.640
<v Speaker 4>hit outside shoulders and really like bend around the edge

0:30:09.640 --> 0:30:12.000
<v Speaker 4>against some of these guys. But all that to say,

0:30:12.280 --> 0:30:15.400
<v Speaker 4>he's got the defensive tackle background and the strength profile,

0:30:15.680 --> 0:30:19.000
<v Speaker 4>really strong football player, really big work ethic, kind of

0:30:19.000 --> 0:30:21.560
<v Speaker 4>a high energy dude to play as a five technique

0:30:21.600 --> 0:30:23.960
<v Speaker 4>but also kick inside of three. I'd say the same

0:30:24.000 --> 0:30:27.680
<v Speaker 4>thing about Brandon Dorless from Oregon. He's somebody who you

0:30:27.680 --> 0:30:29.400
<v Speaker 4>don't have to draft him in the first round. You

0:30:29.400 --> 0:30:31.040
<v Speaker 4>could wait a little bit and you could get that

0:30:31.120 --> 0:30:35.640
<v Speaker 4>type of versatility with His story is almost almost parallel

0:30:35.680 --> 0:30:38.600
<v Speaker 4>to Darius Robinson, where he played defensive tackle early on

0:30:38.640 --> 0:30:40.880
<v Speaker 4>for Oregon, lost a little bit of weight, played more

0:30:40.920 --> 0:30:43.960
<v Speaker 4>as a sort of like a three to four end.

0:30:44.040 --> 0:30:46.240
<v Speaker 4>You know, he'd play anything from a five technique to

0:30:46.280 --> 0:30:48.680
<v Speaker 4>a four eye. He'd play a little bit of three technique,

0:30:48.760 --> 0:30:52.920
<v Speaker 4>and he too has this plus movement skills and explosiveness

0:30:52.920 --> 0:30:55.960
<v Speaker 4>for a player who's sort of in between weights. He'd

0:30:55.960 --> 0:30:58.080
<v Speaker 4>be a bigger edge rusher, but he'd be a little

0:30:58.080 --> 0:30:58.680
<v Speaker 4>bit smaller of.

0:30:58.640 --> 0:30:59.920
<v Speaker 1>Intier defensive lineman.

0:31:00.440 --> 0:31:04.360
<v Speaker 4>And you can sort of get in trouble there because

0:31:04.680 --> 0:31:08.240
<v Speaker 4>we all love to preach versatility, but I think on

0:31:08.280 --> 0:31:10.320
<v Speaker 4>the opposite side of the onoin things that people don't

0:31:10.360 --> 0:31:12.440
<v Speaker 4>love to talk about during the draft season is if

0:31:12.440 --> 0:31:14.720
<v Speaker 4>you don't have a home based position, then I say

0:31:14.760 --> 0:31:17.640
<v Speaker 4>that you are homeless. And that is a bad thing

0:31:17.760 --> 0:31:21.040
<v Speaker 4>to be because if you are just a versatile player,

0:31:21.520 --> 0:31:26.400
<v Speaker 4>but while you're honing your skills at multiple positions, if

0:31:26.440 --> 0:31:28.840
<v Speaker 4>I can't go okay, okay, hold on, hold on, hold them,

0:31:29.280 --> 0:31:30.040
<v Speaker 4>you're struggling a.

0:31:30.040 --> 0:31:30.600
<v Speaker 1>Little bit here.

0:31:30.680 --> 0:31:33.120
<v Speaker 4>Let's make sure that we can keep your confidence up

0:31:33.120 --> 0:31:35.760
<v Speaker 4>as a football player as you go through failure and

0:31:35.800 --> 0:31:38.120
<v Speaker 4>growing pains. I'm going to give you a couple of

0:31:38.160 --> 0:31:41.120
<v Speaker 4>reps three tech, like, get back to three tech, remind

0:31:41.200 --> 0:31:43.520
<v Speaker 4>yourself you're good enough to play this game, make a

0:31:43.560 --> 0:31:46.000
<v Speaker 4>couple of plays, and then we'll kind of continue.

0:31:45.680 --> 0:31:46.360
<v Speaker 1>To expand there.

0:31:46.480 --> 0:31:49.400
<v Speaker 4>When you don't have that with these players, you get

0:31:49.920 --> 0:31:53.280
<v Speaker 4>in a dangerous spot where these guys start to fail

0:31:53.320 --> 0:31:56.720
<v Speaker 4>too often, they start to lose their confidence, they start

0:31:56.760 --> 0:32:00.160
<v Speaker 4>to fluctuate weight because they don't know how to play best,

0:32:00.160 --> 0:32:02.360
<v Speaker 4>what position, and all these kinds of things. So that

0:32:02.520 --> 0:32:04.800
<v Speaker 4>is something that to me doesn't get talked about enough

0:32:04.800 --> 0:32:07.480
<v Speaker 4>when you talk about defensive line versatility and really any

0:32:07.520 --> 0:32:10.719
<v Speaker 4>sort of positional versatility. But those two players, I think,

0:32:10.800 --> 0:32:15.440
<v Speaker 4>Darius Robinson and Brandon Dorlyss I think can have those

0:32:15.560 --> 0:32:17.520
<v Speaker 4>home position type of plays there.

0:32:17.600 --> 0:32:19.680
<v Speaker 3>That's an interesting perspective there because I always felt like

0:32:19.680 --> 0:32:23.400
<v Speaker 3>offensive line kind of gave you some, you know, some security,

0:32:23.480 --> 0:32:25.600
<v Speaker 3>some backup security in terms of the tackle dosn't work out,

0:32:25.600 --> 0:32:27.560
<v Speaker 3>maybe he's a chance to play guard. Like Robert Gallery

0:32:27.560 --> 0:32:29.000
<v Speaker 3>always comes to mind as a guy that didn't work

0:32:29.000 --> 0:32:31.120
<v Speaker 3>out a tackle and became a really good guard at

0:32:31.120 --> 0:32:33.640
<v Speaker 3>the top of the draft many many years ago. Dion

0:32:33.720 --> 0:32:35.320
<v Speaker 3>Jordan comes to my as a guy that didn't have,

0:32:35.440 --> 0:32:37.480
<v Speaker 3>you know, didn't really have a secondary option as a

0:32:37.480 --> 0:32:39.000
<v Speaker 3>guy that didn't work out here for the Dolphins. So

0:32:39.040 --> 0:32:41.200
<v Speaker 3>plenty of options when you talk about all those different

0:32:41.200 --> 0:32:44.840
<v Speaker 3>factors that Trevor's discussing there. I also wrote down Darius Robinson,

0:32:44.840 --> 0:32:46.880
<v Speaker 3>if he's on my football team, he's first off the bus,

0:32:46.920 --> 0:32:48.960
<v Speaker 3>although Jilan Phillis might be that too. So I don't

0:32:49.000 --> 0:32:50.400
<v Speaker 3>have a couple of guys now if I have him,

0:32:50.400 --> 0:32:52.440
<v Speaker 3>But I think about you mentioned dor Lyss. I want

0:32:52.440 --> 0:32:53.760
<v Speaker 3>to talk about a second round here in a second,

0:32:53.800 --> 0:32:56.720
<v Speaker 3>but you talk about Robinson and Dorlyss, Like I keep

0:32:56.760 --> 0:32:59.480
<v Speaker 3>thinking about what Anthony Weaver had in Baltimore with Brent Urban,

0:32:59.520 --> 0:33:01.120
<v Speaker 3>who was like a three hundred pounds like you know,

0:33:01.240 --> 0:33:04.360
<v Speaker 3>five slash three technique, or yeah, Roderick Washington, or even

0:33:04.480 --> 0:33:06.760
<v Speaker 3>Justin Mattabuike who just got paid by the way, who

0:33:06.760 --> 0:33:09.320
<v Speaker 3>plays a lot of de tackle but also kicks outside too,

0:33:09.400 --> 0:33:13.480
<v Speaker 3>Like I think that basically, it sounds like Darius Robinson

0:33:13.520 --> 0:33:15.600
<v Speaker 3>and Brandon Dorles are kind of those guys that fit

0:33:15.680 --> 0:33:16.160
<v Speaker 3>that mold.

0:33:16.200 --> 0:33:17.760
<v Speaker 2>Is that kind of what you mentioned there?

0:33:18.120 --> 0:33:20.720
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it feels like for a long long time now,

0:33:20.840 --> 0:33:22.600
<v Speaker 4>I mean, coaches have kind of come and gone, like

0:33:22.640 --> 0:33:24.760
<v Speaker 4>defensive coaches and everything, But for a long long time,

0:33:24.880 --> 0:33:28.320
<v Speaker 4>the Ravens defensive line identity, at least for the guys

0:33:28.320 --> 0:33:30.560
<v Speaker 4>that have their hand in the dirt, has been Okay,

0:33:30.640 --> 0:33:33.520
<v Speaker 4>we have our dude in the middle, like we have

0:33:33.520 --> 0:33:37.040
<v Speaker 4>our nose tackle player, and then the other guys around

0:33:37.080 --> 0:33:39.640
<v Speaker 4>them are very versatile. They might be in a four eye,

0:33:39.800 --> 0:33:41.880
<v Speaker 4>they might be in a three technique, a little bit closer,

0:33:42.000 --> 0:33:43.560
<v Speaker 4>we might kick them all the way out the five.

0:33:43.920 --> 0:33:46.640
<v Speaker 4>And so it always felt like those were the two types.

0:33:46.920 --> 0:33:49.960
<v Speaker 4>You are either just a super stout nose tackle and

0:33:49.960 --> 0:33:51.720
<v Speaker 4>we could put you in the middle of the defensive front,

0:33:52.080 --> 0:33:54.720
<v Speaker 4>or you're somebody who we're basically gonna align you in

0:33:54.760 --> 0:33:57.040
<v Speaker 4>a lot of different formations. And so if that's the

0:33:57.080 --> 0:33:59.840
<v Speaker 4>same thought process coming to Miami again, that's where we

0:33:59.840 --> 0:34:03.240
<v Speaker 4>get into the guys like Rouke, guys like you know,

0:34:03.320 --> 0:34:07.120
<v Speaker 4>Darius Robinson, guys like dor Liss, like where you just

0:34:07.200 --> 0:34:10.480
<v Speaker 4>have so much versatility on the inside of where you

0:34:10.560 --> 0:34:13.400
<v Speaker 4>might be aligned and you figure out, hey, what works best.

0:34:13.520 --> 0:34:16.640
<v Speaker 4>What's the perfect spacing between you and the nose tackle.

0:34:16.680 --> 0:34:18.520
<v Speaker 4>Can you play with a lot more space than you

0:34:18.520 --> 0:34:20.839
<v Speaker 4>can you take double teams with tackles and maybe a guard,

0:34:20.880 --> 0:34:22.040
<v Speaker 4>can you hold up well enough?

0:34:22.080 --> 0:34:24.680
<v Speaker 1>You know, all of that still goes into it, But it's.

0:34:24.560 --> 0:34:27.000
<v Speaker 3>Really like a melding of defensive tackle defensive end because

0:34:27.000 --> 0:34:28.719
<v Speaker 3>we've talked a lot of d tackle already here.

0:34:28.719 --> 0:34:30.960
<v Speaker 2>Because I think about, you know, the Dolphins signed t R.

0:34:31.000 --> 0:34:32.440
<v Speaker 3>Tart, who I think is a really good, maybe a

0:34:32.440 --> 0:34:34.440
<v Speaker 3>little bit undersized, a really good nose tackle who got

0:34:34.440 --> 0:34:35.880
<v Speaker 3>a lot of wins there for the Titans and Texans

0:34:35.920 --> 0:34:38.160
<v Speaker 3>the last couple of years. And then Benito Jones comes

0:34:38.160 --> 0:34:40.319
<v Speaker 3>back as kind of a run stuffing defensive tackle. But

0:34:40.360 --> 0:34:42.200
<v Speaker 3>then you got you know, Zach Seeler, I think is

0:34:42.200 --> 0:34:44.080
<v Speaker 3>one of the most underrated players in the entire National

0:34:44.080 --> 0:34:47.239
<v Speaker 3>Football League. But then you also add Neville Gallimore, Jonathan Harris, like,

0:34:47.280 --> 0:34:49.040
<v Speaker 3>they just continue to add pieces of this front. So

0:34:49.080 --> 0:34:51.040
<v Speaker 3>they have so many guys that can do multiple things.

0:34:51.040 --> 0:34:53.799
<v Speaker 3>So that tracks as well. And this I wrote this

0:34:53.920 --> 0:34:56.200
<v Speaker 3>question before we had the conversation, so I was gonna say,

0:34:56.200 --> 0:34:56.319
<v Speaker 3>this is.

0:34:56.320 --> 0:34:57.319
<v Speaker 2>Where you earn your money, Trev.

0:34:57.320 --> 0:34:58.640
<v Speaker 3>But you've already been killing it for us, so you've

0:34:58.640 --> 0:35:02.040
<v Speaker 3>already earned that that you know the I guess what's

0:35:02.080 --> 0:35:04.120
<v Speaker 3>the theoretical dollars that don't actually come to your way

0:35:04.120 --> 0:35:05.879
<v Speaker 3>because it's a I mean happy only dollars.

0:35:06.080 --> 0:35:06.799
<v Speaker 2>You're helping money.

0:35:06.840 --> 0:35:11.120
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, But anyway, I said, pay the man, increases wage.

0:35:11.160 --> 0:35:13.600
<v Speaker 3>But day two edge prospects. You mentioned brand Dorlists. I

0:35:13.600 --> 0:35:16.120
<v Speaker 3>haven't quite gotten that far personally. I'm just curious who

0:35:16.120 --> 0:35:18.000
<v Speaker 3>you think is in play besides dor Lists at the

0:35:18.080 --> 0:35:19.080
<v Speaker 3>fifty five range.

0:35:19.360 --> 0:35:21.359
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, so you know, you start to have a little

0:35:21.360 --> 0:35:24.720
<v Speaker 4>bit different conversations, right, because we talked about the players

0:35:24.760 --> 0:35:29.120
<v Speaker 4>who could be quote unquote edges who are bigger, who

0:35:29.160 --> 0:35:31.720
<v Speaker 4>you might want to have more as like defensive linemen.

0:35:31.800 --> 0:35:34.600
<v Speaker 4>So I don't know, maybe they're listed as defensive ends,

0:35:34.640 --> 0:35:37.520
<v Speaker 4>but they're playing a lot more inside the five technique

0:35:37.520 --> 0:35:39.719
<v Speaker 4>spot than outside of it. And so those are a

0:35:39.719 --> 0:35:41.880
<v Speaker 4>couple of dudes, you know, I wonder about like Marshawn

0:35:42.000 --> 0:35:44.000
<v Speaker 4>Neeland as well. I'll throw his name in there, from

0:35:44.000 --> 0:35:46.279
<v Speaker 4>Western Michigan, kind of the same thing. A little bit

0:35:46.280 --> 0:35:48.560
<v Speaker 4>bigger of an edge player. I think he waited a

0:35:48.600 --> 0:35:51.319
<v Speaker 4>combine right around like two seventy two seventy five, so

0:35:51.520 --> 0:35:54.080
<v Speaker 4>again a little bit lighter. He's more of an edge

0:35:54.120 --> 0:35:57.279
<v Speaker 4>than those guys. But his game's all about power, So

0:35:57.640 --> 0:35:59.759
<v Speaker 4>I could see them maybe saying, hey, let's let's throw

0:35:59.800 --> 0:36:01.120
<v Speaker 4>five more pounds on you.

0:36:00.840 --> 0:36:01.680
<v Speaker 1>You could be.

0:36:01.840 --> 0:36:04.719
<v Speaker 4>Like a Darius Robinson, like a Brandon Dorlest somebody like that.

0:36:04.760 --> 0:36:06.960
<v Speaker 4>So I would throw his name into there if you're

0:36:07.000 --> 0:36:12.920
<v Speaker 4>looking for more like true edge rush outside linebackers, guys.

0:36:12.600 --> 0:36:14.600
<v Speaker 1>That I don't know if they're I don't know.

0:36:14.760 --> 0:36:17.400
<v Speaker 4>These guys are gonna be like second round type of

0:36:17.400 --> 0:36:21.239
<v Speaker 4>a player, but just somebody that well, I guess so

0:36:21.520 --> 0:36:24.120
<v Speaker 4>for for Miami specifically, I'm kind of getting my head

0:36:24.120 --> 0:36:26.359
<v Speaker 4>of myself. A second round edge that you would want

0:36:26.360 --> 0:36:30.480
<v Speaker 4>to keep your eye on is Chris Braswell from Alabama.

0:36:30.520 --> 0:36:35.759
<v Speaker 4>Now he's playing opposite of Dallas Turner and his.

0:36:37.280 --> 0:36:40.240
<v Speaker 1>You know, his whole thing is big.

0:36:40.040 --> 0:36:43.120
<v Speaker 4>Time athlete, is a stand up outside linebacker. But he

0:36:43.160 --> 0:36:45.600
<v Speaker 4>didn't come into Alabama as a stand up outside linebacker.

0:36:45.640 --> 0:36:48.799
<v Speaker 4>He actually came in his defensive end, had his hand

0:36:48.800 --> 0:36:51.000
<v Speaker 4>in the dirt and a lot. They wanted to make

0:36:51.040 --> 0:36:53.080
<v Speaker 4>him an outside linebacker. They wanted to rush from a

0:36:53.080 --> 0:36:54.759
<v Speaker 4>two point stance. He lost a little bit of weight,

0:36:54.800 --> 0:36:56.160
<v Speaker 4>but it's taken him a little bit of time to

0:36:56.200 --> 0:36:59.359
<v Speaker 4>be comfortable from a two point stance. But man, devastating

0:36:59.400 --> 0:37:03.160
<v Speaker 4>speed to power player. I mean, this dude's got crazy explosiveness.

0:37:03.200 --> 0:37:05.080
<v Speaker 4>When he gets off the ball, he gets those long

0:37:05.160 --> 0:37:07.400
<v Speaker 4>arms into your chest. I mean he can forklift some

0:37:07.440 --> 0:37:09.520
<v Speaker 4>of these offensive tackles that he's going up against and

0:37:09.520 --> 0:37:10.720
<v Speaker 4>they just can't anchor because.

0:37:10.520 --> 0:37:11.280
<v Speaker 1>He's so powerful.

0:37:11.520 --> 0:37:14.200
<v Speaker 4>The rest of his pass rush profile, we're still kind

0:37:14.200 --> 0:37:16.200
<v Speaker 4>of figuring it out right. I think that we're still

0:37:16.440 --> 0:37:19.520
<v Speaker 4>really trying to master a club rip, a speed dip

0:37:19.560 --> 0:37:22.000
<v Speaker 4>to the outside and inside move, you know, an arm

0:37:22.080 --> 0:37:25.919
<v Speaker 4>over something like that is not in his repertoire as

0:37:26.040 --> 0:37:27.880
<v Speaker 4>much right now, but it can be.

0:37:28.080 --> 0:37:30.440
<v Speaker 1>And again for Miami, if.

0:37:30.280 --> 0:37:34.080
<v Speaker 4>You're drafting a different position in round one and you

0:37:34.160 --> 0:37:37.359
<v Speaker 4>still want to hit edge round two again, I don't

0:37:37.400 --> 0:37:40.000
<v Speaker 4>think i'd love Chris braswell for a lot of teams

0:37:40.000 --> 0:37:41.880
<v Speaker 4>that would want him to play right away.

0:37:42.200 --> 0:37:45.280
<v Speaker 1>But Miami is a great set up, a great situation,

0:37:45.440 --> 0:37:46.240
<v Speaker 1>a great rotation.

0:37:46.640 --> 0:37:49.040
<v Speaker 4>I think he'd be a great draft and developed type

0:37:49.040 --> 0:37:50.200
<v Speaker 4>of a player who could.

0:37:50.000 --> 0:37:51.920
<v Speaker 1>Even give you some stuff in year one.

0:37:52.160 --> 0:37:53.759
<v Speaker 3>This is why you got Chick got the NFL Stock

0:37:53.800 --> 0:37:56.919
<v Speaker 3>Exchange podcast with Trevor Sikima, because I mean that type

0:37:56.960 --> 0:37:59.080
<v Speaker 3>of knowledge of all three two teams and who fits

0:37:59.440 --> 0:38:01.799
<v Speaker 3>specific He's like that really good stuff there, man.

0:38:01.840 --> 0:38:03.480
<v Speaker 2>And if you earned your money there, we're gonna earn

0:38:03.520 --> 0:38:03.920
<v Speaker 2>it even more.

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<v Speaker 3>For the last question here, just real quick, I told

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<v Speaker 3>you a half hour couple ments left, Go ahead and

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<v Speaker 3>give me a couple of names. Here. We have a

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<v Speaker 3>big gap between our second pick at fifty five and

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<v Speaker 3>our third pick at one fifty eight, not till day

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<v Speaker 3>three and the fifth round.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you have some some third some Day three. We

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<v Speaker 2>have a fifth, two, six, and the seven.

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<v Speaker 3>So you have some Day three options you like at

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<v Speaker 3>the edge group of Miami. Yeah, I mean there's a

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<v Speaker 3>handful of names that I like, and actually I was

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<v Speaker 3>gonna start. The reason why I had kind of went

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<v Speaker 3>back to Chris Braswell is because there were a couple

0:38:29.440 --> 0:38:32.640
<v Speaker 3>of guys like Xavier Thomas who I like for them,

0:38:32.840 --> 0:38:35.360
<v Speaker 3>jaylyx Hunt, who I like for them, but they're probably

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<v Speaker 3>gonna be like third round guys, maybe fourth round guys.

0:38:38.640 --> 0:38:41.080
<v Speaker 3>I was like, oh, wait, he doesn't have a third

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<v Speaker 3>or fourth round or so I had to I had

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<v Speaker 3>to kind of move on there and pivot and say, well,

0:38:44.040 --> 0:38:45.480
<v Speaker 3>they're not going to go in the second round. But

0:38:46.040 --> 0:38:48.680
<v Speaker 3>a guy like Chris Braswell is So when you think

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<v Speaker 3>about these Day three rushers, now, obviously these are players

0:38:51.960 --> 0:38:54.440
<v Speaker 3>who it's not all sunshine and rainbows with them.

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<v Speaker 4>There's a reason why they're a Day three pick. They're

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<v Speaker 4>kind of specialized. If they get their hands on a

0:38:58.000 --> 0:39:00.520
<v Speaker 4>guy like Gabriel Murphy, I'd absolutely love it. His teammates

0:39:00.520 --> 0:39:03.000
<v Speaker 4>with la to lat to him and Lat two you

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<v Speaker 4>could tell have been in the pass rush lab I

0:39:04.719 --> 0:39:07.520
<v Speaker 4>mean he's so quick with his hands. He's keeping offensive

0:39:07.560 --> 0:39:09.800
<v Speaker 4>lineman from really getting hands on him and staying blocked.

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<v Speaker 1>He's just not quite the athlete.

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<v Speaker 4>Doesn't have that length, doesn't have that consistency, but the

0:39:13.760 --> 0:39:15.840
<v Speaker 4>hand usage is fantastic. I think he could be a

0:39:15.880 --> 0:39:18.080
<v Speaker 4>good specialized pass rusher if you can get him in

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<v Speaker 4>the fifth round. Javonte Jean Baptiste I like as well.

0:39:21.320 --> 0:39:24.000
<v Speaker 4>He's a former four star outside linebacker, played at Ohio

0:39:24.080 --> 0:39:26.680
<v Speaker 4>State for a handful of years. Just couldn't crack that lineup,

0:39:26.760 --> 0:39:30.040
<v Speaker 4>especially once Jack Sawyer and JT. Twoey Moloow got on

0:39:30.120 --> 0:39:31.680
<v Speaker 4>the team, Like those two guys were going to be

0:39:31.719 --> 0:39:34.640
<v Speaker 4>the main edge rusher. So Jean Baptiste ended up transferring

0:39:34.680 --> 0:39:36.839
<v Speaker 4>over to Notre Dame. And I think he is again

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<v Speaker 4>a really nice, stand up, explosive outside linebacker type that

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<v Speaker 4>could be available for you in the fifth round. Is

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<v Speaker 4>to keep going here, I mean, Braden McGregor from Michigan

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<v Speaker 4>is a man.

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<v Speaker 1>Was he a former five star? I think he might

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<v Speaker 1>have been four star or five star.

0:39:53.560 --> 0:39:55.640
<v Speaker 4>I mean it was a highly touted recruit, but he

0:39:55.760 --> 0:40:00.799
<v Speaker 4>ended up tearing his mcl PCL and meniscus senior year

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<v Speaker 4>of high school. So like the first two years of

0:40:04.080 --> 0:40:06.640
<v Speaker 4>him being in Michigan were basically just rehab, like just

0:40:06.719 --> 0:40:09.200
<v Speaker 4>get your confidence back. Third year he starts kind of

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<v Speaker 4>getting in the mixes a rotational edge rusher. Last year

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<v Speaker 4>was his first year as a full time edge rusher,

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<v Speaker 4>and man, I mean, like, the dude play is really hard,

0:40:16.000 --> 0:40:17.759
<v Speaker 4>and I think that he's a good run defender. He's

0:40:17.840 --> 0:40:20.040
<v Speaker 4>just not super long, has really short arms, so I

0:40:20.080 --> 0:40:22.080
<v Speaker 4>think that like that goes against him. He's just losing

0:40:22.120 --> 0:40:24.520
<v Speaker 4>that length battle too often. He's not a super strong

0:40:24.600 --> 0:40:27.160
<v Speaker 4>dude either. He's more of a light speed rusher type.

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<v Speaker 4>But again, day three guy to maybe get in a

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<v Speaker 4>rotation there. I think he knows what he's doing with

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<v Speaker 4>his hands. Obviously was a highly toowed to recruit for reason.

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<v Speaker 4>It's that athleticism. But he's got to get a little

0:40:36.200 --> 0:40:36.800
<v Speaker 4>bit stronger.

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<v Speaker 3>I really like the idea of going to that position

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<v Speaker 3>this late in the draft because Miami, I love the

0:40:42.239 --> 0:40:44.480
<v Speaker 3>top of the room. But besides, like Cameron Good, they

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<v Speaker 3>don't really have really many developmental edge guys that they're

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<v Speaker 3>kind of working on building into, you know, potential long

0:40:49.320 --> 0:40:51.200
<v Speaker 3>term plays there. So it seems like this could be

0:40:51.239 --> 0:40:52.840
<v Speaker 3>a good time to kind of replenish the youth and

0:40:53.000 --> 0:40:54.720
<v Speaker 3>just kind of developmental aspect.

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<v Speaker 2>Of that group. And you gave us some great names there.

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<v Speaker 3>Thanks as always, Trevor Sekama, a Pro Football Focus, NFL's

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<v Speaker 3>Talk Exchange podcast at Tampa Bay Tray, Three Sides Minimum.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you so much for your time today, Trevor. I

0:41:04.280 --> 0:41:04.719
<v Speaker 3>appreciate it.

0:41:04.800 --> 0:41:08.160
<v Speaker 1>Man, appreciate it, brother anytime, and away he goes.

0:41:08.200 --> 0:41:10.719
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0:41:10.800 --> 0:41:13.880
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0:41:14.200 --> 0:41:18.040
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0:41:18.280 --> 0:41:20.359
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