Speaker 1: To on the move, going deep speedways. Peace do hell
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Speaker 2: This inside the Baptist Health Training Complex. This is Drive
Speaker 2: Time with Travis Wingfield.
Speaker 3: Heasy my hands in the playoffs? What is up, Dolphans
Speaker 3: And welcome to the Draft Time Podcast. I am your host,
Speaker 3: Travis Wingfield. And on today's show we continue the preview
Speaker 3: series and flip it over to the defensive side of
Speaker 3: the football with the great Trevor Sikamoff from Pro Football Focus. Plus,
Speaker 3: you guys have some questions, want to talk about Eric Azukama,
Speaker 3: the running back position in general, and also take a
Speaker 3: look at a review on the podcast up on Apple
Speaker 3: Podcasts I believe it was, and finally discuss the Tua
Speaker 3: throwing motion video. All of that and a heck of
Speaker 3: a lot more from the Baptist Health Studios inside the
Speaker 3: Baptist Health Training Complex.
Speaker 1: This is.
Speaker 3: The Draft Time Podcast. But it was a video that
Speaker 3: momentarily broke Twitter. It was to a throwing a football
Speaker 3: right And I don't think you know, I don't talk
Speaker 3: about this a whole heck of a lot, but one
Speaker 3: thing that I do have my Malcolm Gladwell ten thousand
Speaker 3: hours in is throwing and catching baseball's, footballs, any type
Speaker 3: of sport ball, including footballs. All I did as a
Speaker 3: kid was get home from school, go outside in my
Speaker 3: backyard and would throw the baseball ou to myself and
Speaker 3: hit it, and then throw the ball against that net
Speaker 3: that could either propel a ground ball or a fly ball.
Speaker 3: And I would pretend like I was playing in the
Speaker 3: major leagues and play these games over and over and
Speaker 3: over again. Or I'd go to the front yard and
Speaker 3: shoot hoops for three hours and do the exact same
Speaker 3: thing all by myself until I got older. Then my
Speaker 3: friends would come over and do the exact same thing.
Speaker 3: So all I did my whole life was play sports.
Speaker 3: And I can tell you about my own experience with
Speaker 3: changing a throwing motion. Not quite an NFL quarterback, but
Speaker 3: close right a legion. Baseball and field are close, right,
Speaker 3: very very close, so I could always.
Speaker 2: Hit that was never a pro.
Speaker 3: But when the field expanded to big league size, which
Speaker 3: by the way, in my day. In my day, they
Speaker 3: made us go from sixty foot base paths and two
Speaker 3: hundred foot fences to ninety foot base paths and four
Speaker 3: hundred foot fences, why where was the middle ground there.
Speaker 3: I always wondered that in my high school park actually
Speaker 3: had a four hundred foot dead center fence with a
Speaker 3: twenty five foot tall fence on top of that.
Speaker 2: Pretty dumb.
Speaker 3: But I wasn't getting any at bats or starts my
Speaker 3: freshman year on the junior legion team, and I asked
Speaker 3: the coach, like coach, I'm a better hitter than Jake,
Speaker 3: I'm a better hitter than Eric, the shorts top and
Speaker 3: second basement that are playing more than I am. Why
Speaker 3: am I not playing more? He said, well, we can't
Speaker 3: trust you to throw the baseball to first base. And
Speaker 3: I took that personally. So I got with the assistant
Speaker 3: coach and we drilled my throwing motion every day for
Speaker 3: a couple of weeks. I went from a long, looping
Speaker 3: wind up to a condensed throwing motion with the ball
Speaker 3: tight high, elbow tight to the ear. Keep everything tight
Speaker 3: and condensed, and that should get the ball out faster
Speaker 3: and add arm strength, and it did add velocity and
Speaker 3: distance suddenly to my throwing arm. I became our utility
Speaker 3: guy because I couldn't get out of lineup with a
Speaker 3: decent enough throwing arm and a good bat to boot.
Speaker 3: So that all comes back to say, from watching the
Speaker 3: side by side videos of Tua from last year to this,
Speaker 3: I see the exact same change. First, the armslot is different.
Speaker 3: It's more over the top with a very pronounced elevation
Speaker 3: in the elbow, and this maximizes the torque you can
Speaker 3: get from the arm release.
Speaker 2: But it's more than that.
Speaker 3: Everything becomes more compact, including the load, the hip clear
Speaker 3: and ultimately the release, which is the most important part
Speaker 3: of it. Right If you watch last year, when the
Speaker 3: ball leaves Tua's hand, his base is spread well beyond
Speaker 3: shoulder with the part. If I can compare it to
Speaker 3: a golf swing, it's kind of like clearing your hips
Speaker 3: at the same time as the contact with a clubface.
Speaker 3: If you play, you know you want to start clearing
Speaker 3: those hips before you get the club face steep and
Speaker 3: through the zone. So it's a definitive change if you
Speaker 3: look at it. A lot of people don't remember this,
Speaker 3: but Joe Burrow actually was the one in the twenty
Speaker 3: twenty class that had arm strength questions coming out of
Speaker 3: college and he worked with Tom House and two was
Speaker 3: working with John Beck more than Tom House. Here, just
Speaker 3: to let that go by the wayside. But it's the
Speaker 3: same idea, the same shift. And look at this quote
Speaker 3: that I found. Here's a quote Urban Meyer used to shout,
Speaker 3: you throw like a girl to Joe Burrow at Ohio State.
Speaker 3: And so Burrow went to Tom House and learned the
Speaker 3: same motion that both Brady and Breeze perfected your soul
Speaker 3: on that right. Let's go ahead and get into the
Speaker 3: article here, because Urban well, first of all, he was terrible,
Speaker 3: but he would say things like not enough velocity, Joe,
Speaker 3: you're a Division three quarterback, Joe, you throw like a girl.
Speaker 3: And Burrow acknowledged that his arm strength wasn't up to par.
Speaker 3: He said, I completely changed the way I throw the football.
Speaker 3: The entire three DQB plane is built around four core
Speaker 3: legs of the performance table, functional strength and conditioning, mechanics
Speaker 3: and motion analysis, mental and emotional makeup, and nutrition. From there,
Speaker 3: and athlete's weaknesses are identified and a personalized program is
Speaker 3: built to fit accordingly. Burrow's problem, the team discovered from
Speaker 3: the article had less to do with his actual arm
Speaker 3: strength that it did his footwork, lower body and core.
Speaker 3: Tom Brady, maybe House's most famous and accomplished client, said
Speaker 3: in a testimonial I've been working with Tom House on
Speaker 3: what's called ground force reduction kinetic sequencing, getting the power
Speaker 3: from the ground, which translates from the ground to your legs,
Speaker 3: to your hips to the shoulders, and all the energy
Speaker 3: is going towards the target end quote. I mean this
Speaker 3: sounds like how I talk about I'm blocking route running everything.
Speaker 3: It all starts from the ground. Anyway, The story is
Speaker 3: on the athletic type in Joe Burrow, Tom House, and
Speaker 3: you'll find it. But just from reading that, like, yeah,
Speaker 3: it's Twua's base and JT. O. Sullivan has mentioned this.
Speaker 3: Kurt Warner has mentioned this in his breakdown videos. Two
Speaker 3: was missus can almost always point back to the same
Speaker 3: base issue. But when he's off the top of the
Speaker 3: drop hitches up, that's when you get those dimes like
Speaker 3: we saw to Wattle versus the Jets twice, Tyreek versus
Speaker 3: the Jets, Tyreek versus the Eagles, Tyreek versus the Pats,
Speaker 3: Tyreek versus the Giants, Tyreek versus the Panthers, Tyreek versus
Speaker 3: the Chargers, Tyreek versus the Commander's twice t versus the Cowboys,
Speaker 3: Wattle versus the Cowboys.
Speaker 2: You get it.
Speaker 3: He's pretty good and now it should be even better.
Speaker 3: I want to get into your questions here shortly, but
Speaker 3: first I'd like to acknowledge a review on the podcast
Speaker 3: that I saw, and this comes in from ms MF nine,
Speaker 3: who says Travis works for the team, so yes, he
Speaker 3: knows more about the team itself than most fans, but
Speaker 3: isn't necessary. But it isn't necessary to act like everyone
Speaker 3: who listens are amateur, as he often states. There are
Speaker 3: plenty of people who know as much, if not more
Speaker 3: than Travis. Every podcast, Travis likes to throw shade at
Speaker 3: other podcasts, but never actually calls them out. I find
Speaker 3: that to be unprofessional and amateur. If you have something
Speaker 3: to say, don't beat around the bush, just say it.
Speaker 3: I actually appreciate that feedback because I did not know
Speaker 3: it was coming off that way, and it allows me
Speaker 3: to address things this way. Maybe it's maybe that's just
Speaker 3: how you feel, maybe no one else was that way,
Speaker 3: but I want to address it and take that matter seriously,
Speaker 3: because first, the amateur comments that I make are about me.
Speaker 3: I always say my amateur eye. You'll hear me in
Speaker 3: press conferences. Ask that from my amateur eye. I'm an
Speaker 3: amateur because I am. I do get paid to talk
Speaker 3: about football, but I'm not a coach. I don't get
Speaker 3: paid to devise game plans and call plays. I respect
Speaker 3: the hell out of that and I couldn't do it,
Speaker 3: but I'm not qualified for that. Now, you say, I
Speaker 3: do have access to things that most people don't, and I.
Speaker 2: Use the shit out of those resources.
Speaker 3: Buddy, I'm not one for going online and bloviating about
Speaker 3: things I haven't studied up on.
Speaker 2: I know it's rare these days, right.
Speaker 3: That's the other podcast that I crap on, and I
Speaker 3: crapped on Twitter to his face the other day.
Speaker 2: More on that moment.
Speaker 3: So if I see Bradley Chubb have a rep in
Speaker 3: a game that I think is cool, but I have
Speaker 3: a question about it, I'll ask him about how did
Speaker 3: you develop that catalog of rush moves and get to
Speaker 3: that point where you exploited this from the tackle in
Speaker 3: the game. I'll go ask him and he tells me
Speaker 3: that's the best part of the job. Because I am
Speaker 3: not McDaniel, I am not Frank Smith. I do not
Speaker 3: have a PhD on this stuff. I'm trying to learn
Speaker 3: the best I can. I think I maximize the time
Speaker 3: and resources that I do have now that set. Do
Speaker 3: other people study coaching clinics? Do they get personal lessons
Speaker 3: of NFL players and coaches? Do these people watch twenty
Speaker 3: plus hours of tape a week? I doubt it. I
Speaker 3: think that differentiates me in a little bit, just a
Speaker 3: little bit, and so I do think I have a
Speaker 3: little bit more to say than the average fan. I
Speaker 3: think I think there's a lot of I don't like
Speaker 3: for baseball and basketball. I don't care about spin rate
Speaker 3: and you know, the art of the pick and roll.
Speaker 3: I just watched the game. I think that's how a
Speaker 3: lot of football fans are too. So I'm trying to
Speaker 3: explain to the folks that are somewhat interested but don't
Speaker 3: really like want to dive all the way, And that's
Speaker 3: kind of the needle I'm trying to threat at. The
Speaker 3: content is like, let's get smarter and learn about football,
Speaker 3: but help explain it in a way that someone that's
Speaker 3: not as well verse can understand. That's the only thing
Speaker 3: I'm going for there, and with full transparency. The reason
Speaker 3: that I do go, you know, one on one on
Speaker 3: some of the commentary is that that's a note I've
Speaker 3: gotten from people above me that said, Hey, I don't
Speaker 3: know what you're talking about.
Speaker 2: Try to maybe include that more in your content.
Speaker 3: You know, not everyone knows these terms, and you have
Speaker 3: to explain things with these casual fans that don't want
Speaker 3: to be more than casual fans. And that's totally fine.
Speaker 3: I'm that way with every other sport that I watch.
Speaker 3: That's all that is. It's not meant to be a slight.
Speaker 3: I want to be inclusive as I can be. I
Speaker 3: hope that makes sense. Now you mentioned the shade, and
Speaker 3: first I thought it was abundantly clear who I call
Speaker 3: out frequently on the podcast, right, and I'll tell them
Speaker 3: this to their face. In fact, I have I even asked.
Speaker 3: This is not who I'm talking about now, but Chris Perkins,
Speaker 3: who writes for the Sun Sentinel, I think, right, and
Speaker 3: he predicted nine to eighth this year and the team
Speaker 3: goes eleven and six. Then he has asked McDaniel, if
Speaker 3: you're like, oh, you're on the hot seat, I'm like,
Speaker 3: how did how do you connect those dust?
Speaker 2: They exceeded your expectations?
Speaker 3: Now you want fired to I did that in front
Speaker 3: of the entire presser room, and there was a fun
Speaker 3: conversation you know who, where you will not see me
Speaker 3: calling people out on Twitter. That is going a no
Speaker 3: goes on for me. Unless Omar says something that makes
Speaker 3: no sense. Then sometimes I'll get in there and cleared
Speaker 3: up for him, which happens just what every day, it
Speaker 3: seems like. But here's that's where I get really annoyed.
Speaker 3: I think you, guys, the fans, I think you are
Speaker 3: served up a disservice by several voices, but in particular
Speaker 3: a couple of voices that we're kind of talking about
Speaker 3: here in our media, and I've been very clear about
Speaker 3: who that is. You know, Omar left for a year
Speaker 3: and came back and then joined another How should we say,
Speaker 3: I guess negative blowviator for clicks, type of commentator I
Speaker 3: don't know on a podcast, and I don't listen to
Speaker 3: the podcast. I would never do that. I just see
Speaker 3: the montages y'all cut up like oh my going on
Speaker 3: the Big Oh Show and emphatically claiming that Wilkins is
Speaker 3: only good because he plays half the snaps gets corrected
Speaker 3: and then just never acknowledges it and is indignant in
Speaker 3: his ignorance, like I have no time for that. He
Speaker 3: totally made something up and had no idea about it
Speaker 3: and tried to present it as fact. And there are
Speaker 3: so many examples of that guy's like whether it's on
Speaker 3: a show and content or just in talking like in
Speaker 3: the hallways. And I'm never ever ever going to do that.
Speaker 3: That just taking shortcuts. I think that's taking advantage of
Speaker 3: your position because you're in a trusted position where people
Speaker 3: trust your voice and what your eyes can see because
Speaker 3: no one else can see it for the most part.
Speaker 3: And quite frankly, I view it as stealing. You're robbing
Speaker 3: people that are paying for subscriptions or for your advertising base,
Speaker 3: like whatever it is, I'll never forget. Training Camp twenty
Speaker 3: twenty back at Davy, Tua throws this dime a sixty
Speaker 3: yard bomb to Jaquem grant Omar's podcast partner, who was
Speaker 3: referenced by name on the.
Speaker 2: Podcast last week.
Speaker 3: By the way, tweets out that Tua held the ball
Speaker 3: too long and it would have been a sec. I
Speaker 3: will never I remember the second it was yesterday, would
Speaker 3: have been a sack. Held the ball too long, and
Speaker 3: I knew what he was doing. I saw it called
Speaker 3: out as such on Twitter and said that's not true.
Speaker 3: That ball came out as fast as it possibly could have,
Speaker 3: and he said I couldn't be trusted because I work
Speaker 3: for the team.
Speaker 2: It's the obvious.
Speaker 3: That's the almost a facto response that I get when
Speaker 3: someone wants to discredit my thoughts and my work mirror
Speaker 3: hours later and maybe your boy had something to do
Speaker 3: with this. The video comes out on a tweet from
Speaker 3: the Miami Dolphins, and from snap to release, it's less
Speaker 3: than two seconds from the time that the center snaps
Speaker 3: the ball ata and the time it leaves his left
Speaker 3: hand going sixty yards down the field, less than two seconds.
Speaker 3: Allen's leads the tweet, you got caught, Bro. I can't
Speaker 3: stop the grift. I can't do it, but I hope
Speaker 3: that the audience also listens here and that's a fact
Speaker 3: check for them.
Speaker 2: That's all I'm doing. We go with that. Maybe not,
Speaker 2: but I'm not stopping.
Speaker 3: I only have y'all's interest in mind, and I will
Speaker 3: not stand will not stand for indignant ignorance when it
Speaker 3: comes to this team when I know better.
Speaker 2: That's all.
Speaker 3: Let's go ahead and take a break rate there, come
Speaker 3: back on the other side and get into a couple
Speaker 3: of questions as you guys have from Twitter.
Speaker 2: We'll do that next year.
Speaker 3: Draft Time Podcast, your host Travis Wingfield, brought to you
Speaker 3: by AutoNation.
Speaker 2: Let's pick it back.
Speaker 3: Up here on this Friday edition of the Drive Time
Speaker 3: Podcast with a couple of questions from y'all. I'm loving
Speaker 3: the feedback in the threads or the straight tweets you
Speaker 3: guys send to me. I'm bookmarking those with the intention
Speaker 3: of answering them for you, and I will keep an
Speaker 3: eye on the reviews. I hope that that review segment
Speaker 3: previously didn't turn anybody off. I just wanted to be
Speaker 3: transparent with you guys about you know what I saw
Speaker 3: one fan thought, and so I wanted to address that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there you go.
Speaker 3: Let's go ahead and hear from at Mike lane Cec
Speaker 3: on Twitter. Great content. I appreciate the Dolphins focus on
Speaker 3: how you partner with the draft coverage and other news. Obviously,
Speaker 3: it depends on how the board fell. But do you
Speaker 3: see us going with depth running back late to prepare
Speaker 3: for Moster or Wilson's cliff or departure in one to
Speaker 3: two years. I love this question because I think it's
Speaker 3: a good way to maybe attach a disconnect that I
Speaker 3: frequently see and that every year we get a draft pick,
Speaker 3: and it last year was the first pick we had
Speaker 3: right the cornerback, which two years in a row. Cornerback
Speaker 3: has been one of the most banged up positions on
Speaker 3: a very banged up football team in your Miami Dolphins.
Speaker 3: But every year there's a draft pick where it's like
Speaker 3: they didn't need X, Y or Z, they.
Speaker 2: Needed a B or C.
Speaker 3: And I just don't think that's how teams think, especially
Speaker 3: when you get deeper into the draft. But I always say,
Speaker 3: go into the draft with I must get this or
Speaker 3: I will not get that is a good way to
Speaker 3: have a bad draft. That's not letting the draft board
Speaker 3: fall to you. And like every year we watch these teams,
Speaker 3: the Ravens, right like, they just let the draft fall
Speaker 3: to them and they wind up getting Isaiah Likely in
Speaker 3: the fourth round, like every damn year they do that,
Speaker 3: and it works out because some name that shouldn't be
Speaker 3: there winds up there and they're like, okay, bet we'll
Speaker 3: take them. And while later on those lines become less rigid,
Speaker 3: but like, man, if that fifth round pick comes around
Speaker 3: and you have a perceived need and you have a
Speaker 3: running back that you think is going to be a player.
Speaker 3: Take the player that you think will be a player,
Speaker 3: because if you draft or need, the odds of that
Speaker 3: guy hitting is what like ten percent at that point
Speaker 3: of the draft. But if it's a guy that's actually
Speaker 3: a good football player, that is a position you maybe
Speaker 3: don't need right now, you increase the odds and that
Speaker 3: just gives you a cheap player for four years if
Speaker 3: you hit on that pick. And I love that you
Speaker 3: bring up the running back because I think we could
Speaker 3: play a game tomorrow and I'd be thrilled with what
Speaker 3: we have in our our holster. Now that said, there's
Speaker 3: also a back that I think makes so much damn sense.
Speaker 3: If you're Miami, if you make it that far down
Speaker 3: the board, maybe it's and maybe it's earlier if you
Speaker 3: acquire a pick via a trade back.
Speaker 2: But Louisville's Isaac Grendo.
Speaker 3: And I mean, I'm sure you guys have heard of
Speaker 3: him by now, but you'll see you'll you'll get it
Speaker 3: when I say this four three three forty yard dash
Speaker 3: was the fastest among all running backs this year in Indie.
Speaker 3: He's six foot two, twenty one interested yet forty one
Speaker 3: and a half inch vertical ten oh nine broad, a
Speaker 3: one five to four to ten split, a four to
Speaker 3: one five shuttle, and a six nine to four to
Speaker 3: three cone. He's not like, he's not a chan where
Speaker 3: he finds those small creases and hits him and explodes
Speaker 3: through him. But gosh, there's long speed and there's power,
Speaker 3: and that really translates on tape. He does have good
Speaker 3: feel and vision and patience and he knows how to
Speaker 3: hit the track to hit the proper gap. His tackle
Speaker 3: breaking ability on the third level is there. He has
Speaker 3: some patients. I think his initial burst takes a bit
Speaker 3: to build up, which is why I think there's a
Speaker 3: chance that he hangs around until day three in the draft.
Speaker 3: But if he's there, and I love my running back room,
Speaker 3: I'm prepared to love it even more because I have
Speaker 3: zero issues grabbing this guy and developing him for a
Speaker 3: year now. He's not the only one, He's just the
Speaker 3: top one for me in terms of late round options.
Speaker 3: But yeah, always always always keep the light on Motel
Speaker 3: six style for talented football players. Man, you gotta do it.
Speaker 3: And I think Chris Brooks is a really nice developmental piece.
Speaker 3: From a power standpoint. You mentioned hefe he brings some
Speaker 3: of that as well. And we know what we have
Speaker 3: in Devon a Chan and Raheem Moster. Savon's a jack
Speaker 3: of all trades and special teams guy. I just think
Speaker 3: the draft is too often viewed as a way to
Speaker 3: shore up weak spots. I think you shouldn't have that
Speaker 3: in your mind. I think you should think about this
Speaker 3: is an opportunity to get guys that can be cheap,
Speaker 3: productive players for four years, and that affords me more
Speaker 3: flexibility in my contract extensions. It affords me more ability
Speaker 3: to be aggressive and free agency. It just makes everything better.
Speaker 3: When I have a seven hundred thousand dollars player playing
Speaker 3: like a top twenty player his position.
Speaker 2: It works out great for you.
Speaker 3: But absolutely also just the idea of adding to a
Speaker 3: strength is also a good way to make your football
Speaker 3: team better. How can I make the team better? Do
Speaker 3: that with every decision and you'll have good results. Great question, Mike.
Speaker 3: Let's get to another one here from at fins up
Speaker 3: to A and I actually just saw this guy not
Speaker 3: fins up to A, but the guy we're going to
Speaker 3: talk about in the breakfast line, and he is chomping
Speaker 3: at the bit to play some football. Since you were
Speaker 3: talking about wide receiver today, he asks, where do you
Speaker 3: think Eric Azukama comes into play next season? Love the podcast, Well,
Speaker 3: thank you for that. So we know that someone on
Speaker 3: this team is going to come from out of nowhere,
Speaker 3: Randy Orton right and be a big part of what
Speaker 3: this team accomplishes or does not in twenty twenty four.
Speaker 3: It happens every damn year with every team. Remember Malcolm
Speaker 3: Rodriguez for the Lions in their hard knock season. Even
Speaker 3: the linebackers coach Kelvin Shepherd's like telling the veterans like,
Speaker 3: you guys are gonna leave me no choice. I'm gonna
Speaker 3: have to play Rodrigo because he's out playing y'all. It
Speaker 3: happens every year. You signed like Russell Wilson over Matt Flynn. Guys,
Speaker 3: remember that. I know you guys were, I know we
Speaker 3: were all part of the Matt Flynn like get him
Speaker 3: to Miami under Joe Philbin yike, what a mistake that
Speaker 3: would have been, but would have mattered because it didn't
Speaker 3: matter what we did anyways.
Speaker 2: Because it's terrible football coach.
Speaker 3: But Russell Wilson was a third round draft pick who
Speaker 3: was undersized, and he beats him Ountain training camp. Do
Speaker 3: you think anyone saw that coming? You know, cater Cooho
Speaker 3: was a name that nobody outside the organization was privy
Speaker 3: to except for our guy Emory, who does the podcast
Speaker 3: and gets it right every year. But you get what
Speaker 3: I'm saying. I don't think a lot of fans would
Speaker 3: have predicted an Austin Jackson in season extension coming off
Speaker 3: of twelve weeks of damn good football or whatever it
Speaker 3: was at that point. So it's gonna happen, And that
Speaker 3: entire preamble is a way to tell you that I
Speaker 3: think the Eric Azuokama is, if not at the very
Speaker 3: top of that list, for me, very close to the
Speaker 3: top of that list. I thought we saw glimpses last year,
Speaker 3: just like I did with Austin twenty twenty two before
Speaker 3: the injury. You know, camp in preseason, there were some
Speaker 3: good reps there. I think there's a unique skill set
Speaker 3: in terms of getting into your screen, swing game, your
Speaker 3: backfield alignments, and then I think about him running the
Speaker 3: football on that end around going for fifty yards in
Speaker 3: the preseason or the slot fade two years ago when
Speaker 3: he mosses a cornerback as a rookie. I remember those
Speaker 3: reps in the two games last year, Remember the Texas
Speaker 3: Tech tape where he, quite frankly was essentially kind of
Speaker 3: what Malachi Corley at Western Kentucky this year is. I
Speaker 3: think the world of Azukama skill set. I think year
Speaker 3: three in the offense may be a little bit more
Speaker 3: maturity there with coach Welker, I think you could expect
Speaker 3: probably a decent amount of mastery of what he's doing,
Speaker 3: or at least a better understanding of what he's doing
Speaker 3: where he's supposed to be.
Speaker 2: All of that.
Speaker 3: So I think, yeah, Eric Azukama is kind of an
Speaker 3: ace up the sleeve, and we do make the move
Speaker 3: for if we do make the move for OBJ or
Speaker 3: draft someone from this awesome class, all of a sudden
Speaker 3: reek waddle with the rookie or OBJ, and then Eric Azukama,
Speaker 3: I like that room a whole, that of a lot,
Speaker 3: and just not the top two guys, but the entire group.
Speaker 3: And you include Braxt and River creak Craft in there
Speaker 3: as well. So great stuff to guys, Let's go a
Speaker 3: great stuff to guys today, guys. Let's go ahead and
Speaker 3: get to my guest next on the Draft Time podcast,
Speaker 3: Trevor Sikama, brought to you by AutoNation, joining us today
Speaker 3: a longtime friend of the podcast previous and current affiliation,
Speaker 3: which of course now is Pro Football Focus, and the
Speaker 3: host of NFL Stock Exchange podcast. Outstanding name by the way,
Speaker 3: Tampa Bay Tray Trevor.
Speaker 2: What's up, buddy, God?
Speaker 1: It is good to be with you, my friend.
Speaker 4: I'm excited to talk a little NFL draft here with
Speaker 4: you at Little Miami Dolphins Football. This is man, this
Speaker 4: is a great time of year, getting to actually put
Speaker 4: these prospects to certain teams and talk about possibilities.
Speaker 1: Man, I'm excited for it.
Speaker 3: You know, you gave me two options when I asked
Speaker 3: you to do the podcast about position groups. I'm gonna
Speaker 3: go with the edge group with you. And here's why.
Speaker 3: I think there's a potential for a really, really, really
Speaker 3: good edge prospect being there at twenty one. And although
Speaker 3: we have three that I think are damn good right
Speaker 3: in our backyard behind me here accomplished players, you know,
Speaker 3: Jalen Phillips, Perley Chubb, Shaq Barrett, why not four?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 3: I think it serves Miami and that you can get
Speaker 3: an impact player for twenty twenty four. But one of
Speaker 3: those guys is thirty one, another's twenty seven and doesn't
Speaker 3: feel like Bradley Chubb is like way old than twenty
Speaker 3: seven years old.
Speaker 2: I feel like it's been in the league for a
Speaker 2: decade now.
Speaker 4: I was literally just about to click on him to
Speaker 4: see what his age is, because I would have guessed.
Speaker 4: I would have guessed twenty nine, Like that would have
Speaker 4: been my guest with Bradley Chubb, because you're right, it
Speaker 4: feels like we have just been talking about him for forever,
Speaker 4: and I feel like he's been able to hit his
Speaker 4: stride a little.
Speaker 1: Bit with Miami. So it's good.
Speaker 4: I mean him will being only twenty seven, that's that's
Speaker 4: fantastic for them obviously.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like I see, like you know the ACL
Speaker 3: can you be the same? It's like, guys, he's in
Speaker 3: the peak of his athletic like prowess, like he'll be
Speaker 3: he should be just fine there.
Speaker 2: But either way, I digress.
Speaker 3: So the whole point of that long winded question is
Speaker 3: to say, tell me about the edge group of twenty one,
Speaker 3: who is for sure gone in your opinion, who could
Speaker 3: potentially slide to that spot, and if they.
Speaker 2: Make it there, who do you like for Miami at
Speaker 2: pick twenty one.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I mean Miami's interesting, right because you mentioned like they've
Speaker 4: got some guys there that are really talented football players,
Speaker 4: but just some injuries amongst the group. You know, Shaq
Speaker 4: Beart's getting a little bit older. Obviously, Shack Beart played
Speaker 4: in Tampa, so I watched a lot of him as
Speaker 4: a Bucks fan growing up. So the team that I
Speaker 4: pay very close attention to, And obviously Shack was great
Speaker 4: when he first got there with the Bucks, but since
Speaker 4: the Achilles injury, you just got to understand kind of
Speaker 4: what you're getting. I think a rotational, really smart pass rusher.
Speaker 4: That's where you're getting from him. But if you want
Speaker 4: to up the explosive is there. When you talk about
Speaker 4: Miami picking at number twenty one, it's interesting because I
Speaker 4: would tell you that there's three edge rushers in Tier one.
Speaker 4: I think Laatu Latu the pass rush specialist, just like
Speaker 4: a karate black belt master, with how he uses his
Speaker 4: hands and gets.
Speaker 1: Into the backfield.
Speaker 4: Best pass rusher in all of college football over the
Speaker 4: last two years, no question about it.
Speaker 1: In incredibly productive and efficient.
Speaker 4: He's in that category, but his athleticism is a little
Speaker 4: less than the other two guys, Dallas Turner from Alabama.
Speaker 4: He's a little bit younger, crazy athlete, super long arms,
Speaker 4: basically like exactly what you would want in a build
Speaker 4: for a pass rusher. He's just still trying to get
Speaker 4: there with the nuances and some of the technique and
Speaker 4: really master in that pass rush profile. But he's somebody
Speaker 4: to invest in more as like a stand up outside linebacker.
Speaker 4: And then if you want more of like that heavy
Speaker 4: handed kind of hand in the dirt four three defensive
Speaker 4: end or honestly like a guy who plays I think
Speaker 4: Laikah Bradley Chubb does with a lot of power. It's
Speaker 4: Jared Verse. Jared Versus one of the most powerful defensive
Speaker 4: ends prospects in this class. So all three of those
Speaker 4: guys to me, have a chance of being available at
Speaker 4: twenty one. I think Dallas Turners the least likely, just
Speaker 4: because you know, we talk about him maybe coming off
Speaker 4: the board at number eight for the Falcons, and so
Speaker 4: some people might be listening to this and saying, WHOA, Well,
Speaker 4: if we're thinking that you could go off the board
Speaker 4: at eight, why would we think he's available at twenty one.
Speaker 1: Well, here's the thing I do a lot of mock.
Speaker 4: Draft exercises, and I tried to think about realistically what
Speaker 4: these teams would go for, and sometimes just talent and
Speaker 4: overall potential. Trump's whatever like team needs you might have.
Speaker 4: But there's so many good offensive tackles, there's so many
Speaker 4: good wide receivers, there's so many good corners, there's great quarterbacks.
Speaker 4: Like we know, it's gonna define the top of the draft.
Speaker 4: It's realistic to think these these really good edge rushers,
Speaker 4: who could all be worthy of top fifteen picks, could
Speaker 4: just slide down a little bit because of the nature
Speaker 4: of how talented this draft is and how deep it
Speaker 4: is at the premium position. So I would say that
Speaker 4: Dallas Turner probably the least likely to get there at
Speaker 4: twenty one, verse could have a chance depending on, you know,
Speaker 4: if teams pass on him because he's not as much
Speaker 4: of a stand up rusher as he is you know, handed,
Speaker 4: the dirt type of brusher. And then with a lot two,
Speaker 4: I'm not really sure. Like I mentioned, best pass rusher
Speaker 4: in this class, no doubt about it. But you know,
Speaker 4: he had a neck injury at Washington before he went
Speaker 4: to UCLA, and that neck injury that he suffered during
Speaker 4: spring football, Washington like medically retired him. They're like, hey,
Speaker 4: you know, we we're not comfortable with you playing football anymore.
Speaker 1: We're gonna Makeally retire you.
Speaker 4: And I actually got to talk to a lot to
Speaker 4: a little bit about it, and he was shocked by that.
Speaker 4: Like he understood that he was probably gonna have surgery
Speaker 4: and it was gonna be a long road. But they
Speaker 4: were like, yeah, we're gonna make aally retire.
Speaker 1: You're done.
Speaker 4: He's like like, well, that's like all this happens so quickly,
Speaker 4: So obviously he does his research. He goes to a
Speaker 4: Great Surge and gets the surgery done on his neck.
Speaker 4: UCLA actually works with the surgeon that did his surgery
Speaker 4: on his neck, and so like they were very comfortable
Speaker 4: with the rehab process and the procedure. So he ends
Speaker 4: up transferring over to UCLA. He's played the last two years,
Speaker 4: has been injury free there. But does that neck injury
Speaker 4: being in his history scared teams.
Speaker 2: A little bit?
Speaker 4: Does it push him down a little bit? He's not
Speaker 4: as good of an athlete as Verse or Turner is
Speaker 4: as well. But if you want to make a major
Speaker 4: splash at edge Rusher, I think one of those guys
Speaker 4: could be available for them at twenty one.
Speaker 1: I really do.
Speaker 2: Gosh.
Speaker 3: I lit up when you mentioned Lato, because first of all,
Speaker 3: I knew who he was, but my first real exposure
Speaker 3: was watching I think my Washington State Cougars were like
Speaker 3: four and oh or five and one at some point
Speaker 3: in the year, and he and cam Ward was rolling.
Speaker 2: He was just cooking all season.
Speaker 3: And then Law two shows up and wrecks the entire
Speaker 3: game offensively for the kopsit and they never bounce back
Speaker 3: from that. And then I watch him at the Senior
Speaker 3: Bowl and they couldn't block him there. Like he's so
Speaker 3: so dang good. I love his game so much, and
Speaker 3: like the similarities with like the injury, the medical concerns,
Speaker 3: going back to college with Jalen Phillips, the fact that
Speaker 3: you played at UCLA, the fifteen jersey, like it just
Speaker 3: right matches for me so many in so many ways.
Speaker 2: And so he's the guy that I love. You mentioned
Speaker 2: Jared Verse.
Speaker 3: I think that he goes early too, so like there's
Speaker 3: some good options there. Man.
Speaker 2: Then you got like Chop Robinson is a guy that
Speaker 2: is out there.
Speaker 3: Darius Robinson's a guy that I like a lot and
Speaker 3: they're kind of different players. But I wanted to follow
Speaker 3: up with you on that question because you mentioned, you know,
Speaker 3: Law two is so polished, like gosh, the Senia Bowl,
Speaker 3: right he was he was showing you moves, counter moves,
Speaker 3: counterra moves to the counter moves and he fakes the fake.
Speaker 3: And then you got a guy like Chop Robinson who
Speaker 3: just has like Cam wake leaping and get off in
Speaker 3: burst ability. But maybe the tape isn't as good. How
Speaker 3: do you And then also I guess how teams might
Speaker 3: try to stack that, like how do you stack polish
Speaker 3: versus upside, especially at this junction of the draft where
Speaker 3: like it's not the top of the draft, but you're
Speaker 3: still in the first round.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean it's it's always a balance, and it's
Speaker 4: always situational. I don't say that the kind of like
Speaker 4: tiptoe around the question, but like you know, if you're
Speaker 4: drafting an edge rusher in the first round and you
Speaker 4: need to come in and you need him to come
Speaker 4: in and play right away, well, if you draft a
Speaker 4: player who is in a developmental stage, even if he
Speaker 4: has a really high ceiling, like that might not be
Speaker 4: what your team really needs or you just might have
Speaker 4: to understand, like, hey, I have to be patient here.
Speaker 4: You know, I am wary of Chop Robinson because as
Speaker 4: much as he has a really high pass rushing grade
Speaker 4: in our grading system, he just doesn't have a lot
Speaker 4: of backfield production, doesn't have long arms, has shorter strides. Yes,
Speaker 4: he's extremely explosive, but he's not really built to defend
Speaker 4: the run.
Speaker 1: He's not really built to set the edge.
Speaker 4: He's really just kind of a I'm gonna win off
Speaker 4: of athleticism right now, which very clearly works for him
Speaker 4: because he is an unbelievably gifted athlete at his size,
Speaker 4: and it's working at the college level.
Speaker 1: The NFL is a lot more difficult offensive tackles.
Speaker 4: They get stronger, they get faster, but more importantly, they
Speaker 4: get smarter, and if you don't know exactly what you're
Speaker 4: doing with your hands, if you don't know how to
Speaker 4: set them up, they're just going to be able to
Speaker 4: blanket you.
Speaker 1: You might get them once, you.
Speaker 4: Know, but you need a first round dead rusher to
Speaker 4: be able to give you more of a threat in
Speaker 4: that regard. Now, all that to say, I am hesitant
Speaker 4: with Chop Robinson in the first round, but for a
Speaker 4: spot like Miami. This makes sense, right because in theory,
Speaker 4: when the guys are healthy, you've got two guys that
Speaker 4: are studs in Bradley Chubb and Jalen Phillips. You can
Speaker 4: allow Chop Robinson to really just kind of come in
Speaker 4: in these pass rush specialist situations early on in his career,
Speaker 4: and then you know, obviously Bradley getting hurt later in
Speaker 4: the season. If you need Jack Barrett to play right away,
Speaker 4: you got a veteran presence right away who can play
Speaker 4: for you, and Chop can still be in that more
Speaker 4: pass rush specific rotational role to start off his career
Speaker 4: and you can kind of develop them from there.
Speaker 3: I mean, I gotta say, I feel like content creators
Speaker 3: that don't, you know, wear the logo that don't work
Speaker 3: for the team, because I'm a big fan of the Dolphins. Offseason,
Speaker 3: like I think Kyle Fuller was a great addition to
Speaker 3: Jordan Brooks. The defense has made a lot of auditions
Speaker 3: up front. Tire and Tart was a nice ad, But
Speaker 3: I feel like for content creators that have seen them
Speaker 3: kind of pick apart their holes that they had going
Speaker 3: into the draft, and it creates all this flexibility for
Speaker 3: what they could do. It could be a certain position,
Speaker 3: it could be a hit now guy, a developmental guy
Speaker 3: down the road. Like, there's so many variables the Dolphins
Speaker 3: could could throw their hat into here with this upcoming draft.
Speaker 3: And one thing I want to ask you about, because
Speaker 3: we talked about Jalen Phillips and you know we love
Speaker 3: Jalen Phillips is a stand up, like a true six,
Speaker 3: seven to nine technique guy that can play out wide
Speaker 3: of the formation. But I've also seen him condense Trevor
Speaker 3: down to the three technique and run over a guard,
Speaker 3: you know, like just bull rush a guard. We've seen
Speaker 3: Christian Wilkins for years win from that three tech position
Speaker 3: that he primarily plays, but also play a heavy five. Like,
Speaker 3: I want to know from this draft who you think
Speaker 3: is the best player that can do those things. Who's
Speaker 3: the guy that they can play a five technique and
Speaker 3: condense inside and be a nickel rusher, but also a
Speaker 3: guy who can do the reverse, be a defensive tackle,
Speaker 3: which gets away from the position group we're talking about here,
Speaker 3: but someone that can play inside and then maybe kick
Speaker 3: out side and play some end as well.
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's two specific players at edge that I think
Speaker 4: of immediately when you bring up that question, Brob Darius
Speaker 4: Robinson from Missouri, I think he is one, right. He's
Speaker 4: somebody who started his career first three years when he
Speaker 4: was at Missouri, he was actually a defensive tackle.
Speaker 1: Then they had him lose a.
Speaker 4: Little bit more weight and they wanted to be a
Speaker 4: more powerful, like defensive end type. He's kind of lost
Speaker 4: and gained weight like throughout the draft season. You know,
Speaker 4: he lost a little bit of wait for the Senior
Speaker 4: Bowl and the Combine, but I think he's bulken up
Speaker 4: a little bit more from his pro day at least
Speaker 4: that was the reports that I kind of heard. And
Speaker 4: so he's probably gonna play somewhere between I don't know,
Speaker 4: you know, low two eighties to maybe right around the
Speaker 4: low two nineties. It just depends what a team is
Speaker 4: going to want to do with him. And he's somebody
Speaker 4: who really powerful player. Now we saw at the Combine
Speaker 4: he's not this rare athlete, Like He's got explosiveness for
Speaker 4: his size, there's no doubt about it. But you know,
Speaker 4: he still ran one of the slowest forties of the
Speaker 4: edge rush group.
Speaker 1: Like it's not like this dude's a total freak show.
Speaker 4: When it comes at letticism, you still got to operate
Speaker 4: in the realistic world here and say, all right, he's
Speaker 4: a plus explosive defensive end, but he's not really this
Speaker 4: guy that's gonna, you know, get off the ball and
Speaker 4: hit outside shoulders and really like bend around the edge
Speaker 4: against some of these guys. But all that to say,
Speaker 4: he's got the defensive tackle background and the strength profile,
Speaker 4: really strong football player, really big work ethic, kind of
Speaker 4: a high energy dude to play as a five technique
Speaker 4: but also kick inside of three. I'd say the same
Speaker 4: thing about Brandon Dorless from Oregon. He's somebody who you
Speaker 4: don't have to draft him in the first round. You
Speaker 4: could wait a little bit and you could get that
Speaker 4: type of versatility with His story is almost almost parallel
Speaker 4: to Darius Robinson, where he played defensive tackle early on
Speaker 4: for Oregon, lost a little bit of weight, played more
Speaker 4: as a sort of like a three to four end.
Speaker 4: You know, he'd play anything from a five technique to
Speaker 4: a four eye. He'd play a little bit of three technique,
Speaker 4: and he too has this plus movement skills and explosiveness
Speaker 4: for a player who's sort of in between weights. He'd
Speaker 4: be a bigger edge rusher, but he'd be a little
Speaker 4: bit smaller of.
Speaker 1: Intier defensive lineman.
Speaker 4: And you can sort of get in trouble there because
Speaker 4: we all love to preach versatility, but I think on
Speaker 4: the opposite side of the onoin things that people don't
Speaker 4: love to talk about during the draft season is if
Speaker 4: you don't have a home based position, then I say
Speaker 4: that you are homeless. And that is a bad thing
Speaker 4: to be because if you are just a versatile player,
Speaker 4: but while you're honing your skills at multiple positions, if
Speaker 4: I can't go okay, okay, hold on, hold on, hold them,
Speaker 4: you're struggling a.
Speaker 1: Little bit here.
Speaker 4: Let's make sure that we can keep your confidence up
Speaker 4: as a football player as you go through failure and
Speaker 4: growing pains. I'm going to give you a couple of
Speaker 4: reps three tech, like, get back to three tech, remind
Speaker 4: yourself you're good enough to play this game, make a
Speaker 4: couple of plays, and then we'll kind of continue.
Speaker 1: To expand there.
Speaker 4: When you don't have that with these players, you get
Speaker 4: in a dangerous spot where these guys start to fail
Speaker 4: too often, they start to lose their confidence, they start
Speaker 4: to fluctuate weight because they don't know how to play best,
Speaker 4: what position, and all these kinds of things. So that
Speaker 4: is something that to me doesn't get talked about enough
Speaker 4: when you talk about defensive line versatility and really any
Speaker 4: sort of positional versatility. But those two players, I think,
Speaker 4: Darius Robinson and Brandon Dorlyss I think can have those
Speaker 4: home position type of plays there.
Speaker 3: That's an interesting perspective there because I always felt like
Speaker 3: offensive line kind of gave you some, you know, some security,
Speaker 3: some backup security in terms of the tackle dosn't work out,
Speaker 3: maybe he's a chance to play guard. Like Robert Gallery
Speaker 3: always comes to mind as a guy that didn't work
Speaker 3: out a tackle and became a really good guard at
Speaker 3: the top of the draft many many years ago. Dion
Speaker 3: Jordan comes to my as a guy that didn't have,
Speaker 3: you know, didn't really have a secondary option as a
Speaker 3: guy that didn't work out here for the Dolphins. So
Speaker 3: plenty of options when you talk about all those different
Speaker 3: factors that Trevor's discussing there. I also wrote down Darius Robinson,
Speaker 3: if he's on my football team, he's first off the bus,
Speaker 3: although Jilan Phillis might be that too. So I don't
Speaker 3: have a couple of guys now if I have him,
Speaker 3: But I think about you mentioned dor Lyss. I want
Speaker 3: to talk about a second round here in a second,
Speaker 3: but you talk about Robinson and Dorlyss, Like I keep
Speaker 3: thinking about what Anthony Weaver had in Baltimore with Brent Urban,
Speaker 3: who was like a three hundred pounds like you know,
Speaker 3: five slash three technique, or yeah, Roderick Washington, or even
Speaker 3: Justin Mattabuike who just got paid by the way, who
Speaker 3: plays a lot of de tackle but also kicks outside too,
Speaker 3: Like I think that basically, it sounds like Darius Robinson
Speaker 3: and Brandon Dorles are kind of those guys that fit
Speaker 3: that mold.
Speaker 2: Is that kind of what you mentioned there?
Speaker 4: Yeah, it feels like for a long long time now,
Speaker 4: I mean, coaches have kind of come and gone, like
Speaker 4: defensive coaches and everything, But for a long long time,
Speaker 4: the Ravens defensive line identity, at least for the guys
Speaker 4: that have their hand in the dirt, has been Okay,
Speaker 4: we have our dude in the middle, like we have
Speaker 4: our nose tackle player, and then the other guys around
Speaker 4: them are very versatile. They might be in a four eye,
Speaker 4: they might be in a three technique, a little bit closer,
Speaker 4: we might kick them all the way out the five.
Speaker 4: And so it always felt like those were the two types.
Speaker 4: You are either just a super stout nose tackle and
Speaker 4: we could put you in the middle of the defensive front,
Speaker 4: or you're somebody who we're basically gonna align you in
Speaker 4: a lot of different formations. And so if that's the
Speaker 4: same thought process coming to Miami again, that's where we
Speaker 4: get into the guys like Rouke, guys like you know,
Speaker 4: Darius Robinson, guys like dor Liss, like where you just
Speaker 4: have so much versatility on the inside of where you
Speaker 4: might be aligned and you figure out, hey, what works best.
Speaker 4: What's the perfect spacing between you and the nose tackle.
Speaker 4: Can you play with a lot more space than you
Speaker 4: can you take double teams with tackles and maybe a guard,
Speaker 4: can you hold up well enough?
Speaker 1: You know, all of that still goes into it, But it's.
Speaker 3: Really like a melding of defensive tackle defensive end because
Speaker 3: we've talked a lot of d tackle already here.
Speaker 2: Because I think about, you know, the Dolphins signed t R.
Speaker 3: Tart, who I think is a really good, maybe a
Speaker 3: little bit undersized, a really good nose tackle who got
Speaker 3: a lot of wins there for the Titans and Texans
Speaker 3: the last couple of years. And then Benito Jones comes
Speaker 3: back as kind of a run stuffing defensive tackle. But
Speaker 3: then you got you know, Zach Seeler, I think is
Speaker 3: one of the most underrated players in the entire National
Speaker 3: Football League. But then you also add Neville Gallimore, Jonathan Harris, like,
Speaker 3: they just continue to add pieces of this front. So
Speaker 3: they have so many guys that can do multiple things.
Speaker 3: So that tracks as well. And this I wrote this
Speaker 3: question before we had the conversation, so I was gonna say,
Speaker 3: this is.
Speaker 2: Where you earn your money, Trev.
Speaker 3: But you've already been killing it for us, so you've
Speaker 3: already earned that that you know the I guess what's
Speaker 3: the theoretical dollars that don't actually come to your way
Speaker 3: because it's a I mean happy only dollars.
Speaker 2: You're helping money.
Speaker 3: Yeah, But anyway, I said, pay the man, increases wage.
Speaker 3: But day two edge prospects. You mentioned brand Dorlists. I
Speaker 3: haven't quite gotten that far personally. I'm just curious who
Speaker 3: you think is in play besides dor Lists at the
Speaker 3: fifty five range.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so you know, you start to have a little
Speaker 4: bit different conversations, right, because we talked about the players
Speaker 4: who could be quote unquote edges who are bigger, who
Speaker 4: you might want to have more as like defensive linemen.
Speaker 4: So I don't know, maybe they're listed as defensive ends,
Speaker 4: but they're playing a lot more inside the five technique
Speaker 4: spot than outside of it. And so those are a
Speaker 4: couple of dudes, you know, I wonder about like Marshawn
Speaker 4: Neeland as well. I'll throw his name in there, from
Speaker 4: Western Michigan, kind of the same thing. A little bit
Speaker 4: bigger of an edge player. I think he waited a
Speaker 4: combine right around like two seventy two seventy five, so
Speaker 4: again a little bit lighter. He's more of an edge
Speaker 4: than those guys. But his game's all about power, So
Speaker 4: I could see them maybe saying, hey, let's let's throw
Speaker 4: five more pounds on you.
Speaker 1: You could be.
Speaker 4: Like a Darius Robinson, like a Brandon Dorlest somebody like that.
Speaker 4: So I would throw his name into there if you're
Speaker 4: looking for more like true edge rush outside linebackers, guys.
Speaker 1: That I don't know if they're I don't know.
Speaker 4: These guys are gonna be like second round type of
Speaker 4: a player, but just somebody that well, I guess so
Speaker 4: for for Miami specifically, I'm kind of getting my head
Speaker 4: of myself. A second round edge that you would want
Speaker 4: to keep your eye on is Chris Braswell from Alabama.
Speaker 4: Now he's playing opposite of Dallas Turner and his.
Speaker 1: You know, his whole thing is big.
Speaker 4: Time athlete, is a stand up outside linebacker. But he
Speaker 4: didn't come into Alabama as a stand up outside linebacker.
Speaker 4: He actually came in his defensive end, had his hand
Speaker 4: in the dirt and a lot. They wanted to make
Speaker 4: him an outside linebacker. They wanted to rush from a
Speaker 4: two point stance. He lost a little bit of weight,
Speaker 4: but it's taken him a little bit of time to
Speaker 4: be comfortable from a two point stance. But man, devastating
Speaker 4: speed to power player. I mean, this dude's got crazy explosiveness.
Speaker 4: When he gets off the ball, he gets those long
Speaker 4: arms into your chest. I mean he can forklift some
Speaker 4: of these offensive tackles that he's going up against and
Speaker 4: they just can't anchor because.
Speaker 1: He's so powerful.
Speaker 4: The rest of his pass rush profile, we're still kind
Speaker 4: of figuring it out right. I think that we're still
Speaker 4: really trying to master a club rip, a speed dip
Speaker 4: to the outside and inside move, you know, an arm
Speaker 4: over something like that is not in his repertoire as
Speaker 4: much right now, but it can be.
Speaker 1: And again for Miami, if.
Speaker 4: You're drafting a different position in round one and you
Speaker 4: still want to hit edge round two again, I don't
Speaker 4: think i'd love Chris braswell for a lot of teams
Speaker 4: that would want him to play right away.
Speaker 1: But Miami is a great set up, a great situation,
Speaker 1: a great rotation.
Speaker 4: I think he'd be a great draft and developed type
Speaker 4: of a player who could.
Speaker 1: Even give you some stuff in year one.
Speaker 3: This is why you got Chick got the NFL Stock
Speaker 3: Exchange podcast with Trevor Sikima, because I mean that type
Speaker 3: of knowledge of all three two teams and who fits
Speaker 3: specific He's like that really good stuff there, man.
Speaker 2: And if you earned your money there, we're gonna earn
Speaker 2: it even more.
Speaker 3: For the last question here, just real quick, I told
Speaker 3: you a half hour couple ments left, Go ahead and
Speaker 3: give me a couple of names. Here. We have a
Speaker 3: big gap between our second pick at fifty five and
Speaker 3: our third pick at one fifty eight, not till day
Speaker 3: three and the fifth round.
Speaker 2: Do you have some some third some Day three. We
Speaker 2: have a fifth, two, six, and the seven.
Speaker 3: So you have some Day three options you like at
Speaker 3: the edge group of Miami. Yeah, I mean there's a
Speaker 3: handful of names that I like, and actually I was
Speaker 3: gonna start. The reason why I had kind of went
Speaker 3: back to Chris Braswell is because there were a couple
Speaker 3: of guys like Xavier Thomas who I like for them,
Speaker 3: jaylyx Hunt, who I like for them, but they're probably
Speaker 3: gonna be like third round guys, maybe fourth round guys.
Speaker 3: I was like, oh, wait, he doesn't have a third
Speaker 3: or fourth round or so I had to I had
Speaker 3: to kind of move on there and pivot and say, well,
Speaker 3: they're not going to go in the second round. But
Speaker 3: a guy like Chris Braswell is So when you think
Speaker 3: about these Day three rushers, now, obviously these are players
Speaker 3: who it's not all sunshine and rainbows with them.
Speaker 4: There's a reason why they're a Day three pick. They're
Speaker 4: kind of specialized. If they get their hands on a
Speaker 4: guy like Gabriel Murphy, I'd absolutely love it. His teammates
Speaker 4: with la to lat to him and Lat two you
Speaker 4: could tell have been in the pass rush lab I
Speaker 4: mean he's so quick with his hands. He's keeping offensive
Speaker 4: lineman from really getting hands on him and staying blocked.
Speaker 1: He's just not quite the athlete.
Speaker 4: Doesn't have that length, doesn't have that consistency, but the
Speaker 4: hand usage is fantastic. I think he could be a
Speaker 4: good specialized pass rusher if you can get him in
Speaker 4: the fifth round. Javonte Jean Baptiste I like as well.
Speaker 4: He's a former four star outside linebacker, played at Ohio
Speaker 4: State for a handful of years. Just couldn't crack that lineup,
Speaker 4: especially once Jack Sawyer and JT. Twoey Moloow got on
Speaker 4: the team, Like those two guys were going to be
Speaker 4: the main edge rusher. So Jean Baptiste ended up transferring
Speaker 4: over to Notre Dame. And I think he is again
Speaker 4: a really nice, stand up, explosive outside linebacker type that
Speaker 4: could be available for you in the fifth round. Is
Speaker 4: to keep going here, I mean, Braden McGregor from Michigan
Speaker 4: is a man.
Speaker 1: Was he a former five star? I think he might
Speaker 1: have been four star or five star.
Speaker 4: I mean it was a highly touted recruit, but he
Speaker 4: ended up tearing his mcl PCL and meniscus senior year
Speaker 4: of high school. So like the first two years of
Speaker 4: him being in Michigan were basically just rehab, like just
Speaker 4: get your confidence back. Third year he starts kind of
Speaker 4: getting in the mixes a rotational edge rusher. Last year
Speaker 4: was his first year as a full time edge rusher,
Speaker 4: and man, I mean, like, the dude play is really hard,
Speaker 4: and I think that he's a good run defender. He's
Speaker 4: just not super long, has really short arms, so I
Speaker 4: think that like that goes against him. He's just losing
Speaker 4: that length battle too often. He's not a super strong
Speaker 4: dude either. He's more of a light speed rusher type.
Speaker 4: But again, day three guy to maybe get in a
Speaker 4: rotation there. I think he knows what he's doing with
Speaker 4: his hands. Obviously was a highly toowed to recruit for reason.
Speaker 4: It's that athleticism. But he's got to get a little
Speaker 4: bit stronger.
Speaker 3: I really like the idea of going to that position
Speaker 3: this late in the draft because Miami, I love the
Speaker 3: top of the room. But besides, like Cameron Good, they
Speaker 3: don't really have really many developmental edge guys that they're
Speaker 3: kind of working on building into, you know, potential long
Speaker 3: term plays there. So it seems like this could be
Speaker 3: a good time to kind of replenish the youth and
Speaker 3: just kind of developmental aspect.
Speaker 2: Of that group. And you gave us some great names there.
Speaker 3: Thanks as always, Trevor Sekama, a Pro Football Focus, NFL's
Speaker 3: Talk Exchange podcast at Tampa Bay Tray, Three Sides Minimum.
Speaker 3: Thank you so much for your time today, Trevor. I
Speaker 3: appreciate it.
Speaker 1: Man, appreciate it, brother anytime, and away he goes.
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