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Speaker 1: Oh wow, all right, welcome to our classic episode. Everybody.

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Speaker 1: Uh this this one. I'm just gonna be honest, Matt, Well,

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Speaker 1: this is one of my favorite subjects ever, real life superpowers.

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Speaker 1: I'm annoying at when I talk about it, and I

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Speaker 1: think a lot of conspiracy real it's felt the same way.

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Speaker 1: This is the one that's always created a whole lot

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Speaker 1: of conversation in in the s if I don't want

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Speaker 1: you to know community and you haven't had a chance

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Speaker 1: to check it out, and now's your shot, right, We're

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Speaker 1: gonna talk about people who do seem to have some

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Speaker 1: kind of superpower. I'm thinking specifically about the Iceman, not

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Speaker 1: Richard Kolklinsky or whatever, the Iceman serial murderer guy, but uh,

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Speaker 1: what's his name? Whim whim Hoff wim Hoff. Yeah, and

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Speaker 1: people who have super strength and people who have niam

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Speaker 1: breakable bones or bones are much harder to break. We

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Speaker 1: also bust a few myths about purported superpower. Oh man,

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Speaker 1: you know what, I'm gonna listen to this one again.

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Speaker 1: You know that's what I'm gonna do. Let's get X

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Speaker 1: men with this thing. From UFOs to psychic powers and

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Speaker 1: government conspiracies, history is riddled with unexplained events. You can

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Speaker 1: turn back now or learn this stuff they don't want

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Speaker 1: you to know. Welcome back to the show. My name

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Speaker 1: is Matt, my name is They call me Ben. You

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Speaker 1: are you? And that makes this stuff they don't want

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Speaker 1: you to know. As always, we're joined with our super producer,

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Speaker 1: Tristan McNeil. Has it always been like that, Rejoy? Is

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Speaker 1: this like a Mandela effect thing? That's exactly what it is?

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Speaker 1: Tons of flat circle. Hey, I have a question. We

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Speaker 1: we have talked about this off air at length, but

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Speaker 1: it's a it's a question. I always love to ask people.

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Speaker 1: If you can have three superpowers, what would they be?

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Speaker 1: And here's why it's three instead of one. Most people

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Speaker 1: choose flying, and they don't even think, like, are you flying?

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Speaker 1: You know, using some sort of psychic power, some sort

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Speaker 1: of levit uh, telekinesis or teleporting is clearly better than flying,

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Speaker 1: I think so. But for some people it's about the journey.

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Speaker 1: But then you also have to have magical breathing powers

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Speaker 1: so that you can go to high altitudes and not

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Speaker 1: nobody wants to go out by rude running with a seagull.

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Speaker 1: But anyway, Yeah, there are things to consider, So invisibility

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Speaker 1: like the way it's portrayed in like the Lord of

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Speaker 1: you can totally manipulate events if you're invisible. Yeah, and

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Speaker 1: methods as well, Right, so maybe just all three are

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Speaker 1: invisible to certain spectrums. There we go. Yeah, I would

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Speaker 1: shadow power. Wow, like we're making super superheroes. Can you

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Speaker 1: be more specific about my shadow? Shadow powers are pretty obvious.

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Speaker 1: You can manipulate any and all dark. Sure, Okay, yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's that's it. What about you know? Oh man, you

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Speaker 1: think teleportation would be really really cool because I hate

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Speaker 1: And know, at least like some monkeys paw business here,

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Speaker 1: it's almost like my other two powers have to be

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Speaker 1: But couldn't you just suck? And that's the story of me. No, No,

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Speaker 1: One of the things that we love on this show,

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Speaker 1: for Tristan. Sorry, Tristan, you don't get a vote, all right.

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Speaker 1: So often these powers that Matt mentions would come from

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Speaker 1: there's awful things happening in your life. Here's some examples

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Speaker 1: among us. Any One gulp can save us, but not

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Speaker 1: what's waiting that has a nami behind tank beings. We

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Speaker 1: And that's what this episode is about. So I think

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Speaker 1: But isn't that a thing? Isn't there like is there

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Speaker 1: location human echolocation. Yeah. Yeah, it's the ability to sense

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Speaker 1: your favorite, How many spoons can you stick to your body? Matt?

424
00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:19,360
Speaker 1: That's it magnetism spoons to big magneto. Man. I remember

425
00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:21,680
Speaker 1: just being so excited by that as a kid when

426
00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:23,800
Speaker 1: reading into comic books, the idea of being able to

427
00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:27,280
Speaker 1: take anything metal and manipulate it. He he came off

428
00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:30,480
Speaker 1: as pretty godlike. Oh yeah, especially in the movies when

429
00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:33,480
Speaker 1: he's just like arms out stretched, just like stuff is

430
00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:36,119
Speaker 1: like levitating and then he crushes it down. That was

431
00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:39,400
Speaker 1: really neat. The only defense is to build your armor

432
00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:46,600
Speaker 1: out of stone. I like that. So yeah, so human

433
00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:50,520
Speaker 1: magnetism and the human quote unquote magnetos that turns out

434
00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:56,160
Speaker 1: are not quite as um not not quite as powerful.

435
00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:02,159
Speaker 1: They're not lifting stadiums, but they are attracting objects to

436
00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:06,480
Speaker 1: their bare skin. Yeah, and they're uh, they're human magnets.

437
00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:11,200
Speaker 1: M that's the that's the idea of One example would

438
00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:14,720
Speaker 1: be Edit bar el Chiev from the country of Georgia.

439
00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:17,400
Speaker 1: He is a Guinness World record holder for the most

440
00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:21,560
Speaker 1: spoons on a human body. There's too many spoons on

441
00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:25,320
Speaker 1: my body. It was fifty spoons. I guess he got

442
00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:28,000
Speaker 1: the fifty one. Maybe he ran out a room, Yeah,

443
00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:31,159
Speaker 1: and they told him he couldn't you know, this is

444
00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:35,439
Speaker 1: a family show. But wasn't this on my body? Okay?

445
00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:38,320
Speaker 1: Well yeah, because they don't say the size of the spoon.

446
00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:42,360
Speaker 1: Is it a regulation spoon? Yeah? Wasn't this somehow debunked

447
00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:45,360
Speaker 1: though by Mr Randy, I don't see. See, I don't

448
00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:49,680
Speaker 1: think the use of the word debunked is appropriate. This

449
00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:52,840
Speaker 1: is like explained. I know. Sometimes a lot of people

450
00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:57,200
Speaker 1: who consider themselves like Internet expert skeptics love to think

451
00:27:57,240 --> 00:27:59,760
Speaker 1: that they're debunking stuff. It's like if you drive by

452
00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:03,720
Speaker 1: a Blockbuster and it's closed. You didn't debunk Blockbuster, it's

453
00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:06,000
Speaker 1: just not open. Well, I guess, okay, So the right

454
00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:09,000
Speaker 1: thing would be he showed that it wasn't actually magnetism,

455
00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:12,280
Speaker 1: that was yeah, yeah, and and some people can just

456
00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:16,439
Speaker 1: some people would say, yeah, he debunked the claim because

457
00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:20,600
Speaker 1: he said it's not magnetism, but the actual thing is

458
00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:24,439
Speaker 1: still happening, music extraordinary thing happening. It turns out that

459
00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:29,000
Speaker 1: these people have very sticky skin, very different powers. So

460
00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:32,080
Speaker 1: basically like when I take a spoon and stick it

461
00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:35,880
Speaker 1: on my nose and I just hang it there. Yeah,

462
00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:39,680
Speaker 1: but with their whole body, so they have they're just damp.

463
00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:47,080
Speaker 1: They they have a higher, higher friction rate on their skins.

464
00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:49,400
Speaker 1: So one of the things, one of the big clues

465
00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:54,280
Speaker 1: that that's not really magnetism is, first off, there's no

466
00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:58,920
Speaker 1: detectable magnetic field. And secondly, although metals the most popular

467
00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:03,840
Speaker 1: thing that's the stick to themselves, other things like glass, porcelain,

468
00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:09,000
Speaker 1: would plastic brass. Uh, these things also stick to them.

469
00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:13,080
Speaker 1: So it's not it's not they're not walking refrigerations. They

470
00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:16,720
Speaker 1: pull some like six Spiderman type tricks. You could get

471
00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:22,600
Speaker 1: as close to Spiderman as possible. Spiderman, Kristen and Caroline,

472
00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:27,680
Speaker 1: they're always like John Spiderman attorney it law. So this

473
00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:31,880
Speaker 1: this idea of um unusually fractive or sticky skin, it's

474
00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:35,040
Speaker 1: interesting because I wonder if it would be possible to

475
00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:39,720
Speaker 1: do what you're saying to to increase the degree of

476
00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:43,400
Speaker 1: stickiness such that these people would be able to support

477
00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:46,440
Speaker 1: their own weight. And that's a really tall order. I mean,

478
00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:49,320
Speaker 1: there are lizards they can do it, right, So why

479
00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:55,360
Speaker 1: not people? I say, just add syrup? Just yeah, you

480
00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:59,080
Speaker 1: gotta did what happened? Did Big Syrup get to you?

481
00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:03,880
Speaker 1: They really did? Yeah? Yeah? I mean what can I say? Man?

482
00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:07,800
Speaker 1: The Maple Group, I don't know what they're called. They

483
00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:10,280
Speaker 1: don't have business cards or something. You guys, we we

484
00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:14,600
Speaker 1: all went out for drinks a a week or so ago,

485
00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:19,200
Speaker 1: and uh Nat tried to order syrup they didn't have it,

486
00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:23,600
Speaker 1: said syrup straight up, come on the local. Then there

487
00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:25,440
Speaker 1: was that one time we were out and randomly these

488
00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:29,040
Speaker 1: three Canadian dudes and suits with like black cases came

489
00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:31,080
Speaker 1: up and took Matt aside, and I had to peek

490
00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:32,479
Speaker 1: over it. And they had opened the case and they

491
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:35,240
Speaker 1: were these three perfect bottles of maple syrup and stuck

492
00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:37,400
Speaker 1: in one of those like foam cut out things in

493
00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:40,200
Speaker 1: the perfect shape. And then they were gone, and they

494
00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:43,560
Speaker 1: had these they had these little belief tattoos right on

495
00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:46,360
Speaker 1: their neck. You could just see. I had them design

496
00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:49,480
Speaker 1: the containers look just like the Secret of the Use things.

497
00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:54,440
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Mutigen, yeah yeah hey. Um Also, uh, there

498
00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:57,520
Speaker 1: are there are a lot of It turns out there

499
00:30:57,520 --> 00:31:02,680
Speaker 1: real superpowers that are high of like in the film Unbreakable. Uh,

500
00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:10,040
Speaker 1: there are superpowers that are the opposite of um genetic weakness.

501
00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:12,880
Speaker 1: So we know, like color deficiency or color blindness, that's

502
00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:15,680
Speaker 1: the thing that happens red green color blindness is the

503
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:20,280
Speaker 1: most common. It's generally in men. And then you know

504
00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:24,200
Speaker 1: they're less common ones relating to like yellow and blue

505
00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:27,920
Speaker 1: or complete color blindness where everything is just a noir film.

506
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:30,160
Speaker 1: For the rest of your life, and then there's some

507
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:32,959
Speaker 1: one on the other side. There are people called tetra chromats.

508
00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:39,000
Speaker 1: These people, who are overwhelmingly female, appear to literally see

509
00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:43,360
Speaker 1: more colors than most of humanity ever will. What does

510
00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:47,680
Speaker 1: that mean though? Are there more colors than what? Are

511
00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:51,880
Speaker 1: there a finite number of colors? Well, they can differentiate,

512
00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:55,479
Speaker 1: so it's probably something so like what would be just

513
00:31:55,640 --> 00:32:00,440
Speaker 1: regular old green to us? Is this vast pan believe

514
00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:06,040
Speaker 1: strange visual delights? I don't know. Well, according to you know,

515
00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:08,840
Speaker 1: my Photoshop color wheel and all the things that I

516
00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:11,880
Speaker 1: ever deal with in color, there's one about a million

517
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:15,720
Speaker 1: different shades and versions that I can see with my eye,

518
00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:21,720
Speaker 1: but tetra chromats can see up to what a hundred million,

519
00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:24,840
Speaker 1: which again I don't know how you even get down

520
00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:29,320
Speaker 1: that deep into the crevices between the color exploding around

521
00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:31,920
Speaker 1: in a psychedelic dream at all times. I imagine that

522
00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:35,600
Speaker 1: it's different, but to them it's probably normal. So, right,

523
00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:38,960
Speaker 1: most people have three cells or receptors in our retinas,

524
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:42,360
Speaker 1: but tetra chromats have a fourth receptor, and that may

525
00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:45,400
Speaker 1: be what allows for their heightened color perception. It's also

526
00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:48,560
Speaker 1: estimated that about twelve of women in the world carry

527
00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:51,960
Speaker 1: the gene for this fourth receptor. It makes me think

528
00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:54,840
Speaker 1: of like certain really expensive cameras that have like bigger

529
00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:58,560
Speaker 1: sensors or like you know, more sensors or whatever. You

530
00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:01,840
Speaker 1: can just equipment allows you to take in more information.

531
00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:05,040
Speaker 1: That's what it means is the stuff is there. It's

532
00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:07,280
Speaker 1: not like it's we just can't see it right right,

533
00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:10,600
Speaker 1: right exactly. So carrying the gene doesn't guarantee you wind

534
00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:14,200
Speaker 1: up with supervision, but those who have the gene and

535
00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:16,320
Speaker 1: who are immersed in a wide range of colors from

536
00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:19,280
Speaker 1: a very young age appear more likely to develop it.

537
00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:22,840
Speaker 1: Researchers are still trying to figure out what's going on

538
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:25,720
Speaker 1: with this, still very early days and research here, so

539
00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:29,120
Speaker 1: there aren't any hard numbers on how it manifests itself. However,

540
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:33,320
Speaker 1: it's a real thing, and if you are listening to

541
00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:39,760
Speaker 1: this show, you may very well carry this gene. It's like,

542
00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:42,160
Speaker 1: my impulse is to be like, tell us what it's like.

543
00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:45,600
Speaker 1: That's sort of like asking a color blind person to

544
00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:48,920
Speaker 1: describe color, but like the opposite or whatever. Yeah, it's

545
00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:52,160
Speaker 1: it's just you know, it's cool, it's just how I

546
00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:54,520
Speaker 1: just you know, my day to day. Yeah, it's my

547
00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:57,520
Speaker 1: day to day. I don't know what you think blues like.

548
00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:00,640
Speaker 1: It looks like Yeah, there's an another one though, this

549
00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:03,000
Speaker 1: one is This one is crazy. This is perhaps one

550
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:08,680
Speaker 1: of the most comic book style powers. Super strength. That's right,

551
00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:13,080
Speaker 1: genuine super strength. Are your fists at us? Man? Because

552
00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:18,000
Speaker 1: I have it? But it's linked to his aggression. That's

553
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:20,359
Speaker 1: why you spend so much time being nice? Right, Yeah,

554
00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:26,680
Speaker 1: I have to be nice. You wouldn't like Uh. So

555
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:31,000
Speaker 1: we hear about cases of hysterical strength so often, right,

556
00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:34,160
Speaker 1: A mother is lifting a car to rescue a kid

557
00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:39,839
Speaker 1: and someone's like, hey, average person, average mom person, you

558
00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:47,840
Speaker 1: can't lift that corolla. I don't know. And this evidence

559
00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:50,760
Speaker 1: is almost always anecdotal, right, because it'd be really tough

560
00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:55,200
Speaker 1: to create an experiment where we just scare people and

561
00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:57,640
Speaker 1: see if they can lift cars. Well, yeah, and and

562
00:34:57,680 --> 00:35:00,640
Speaker 1: it could a lot of times. It's not as extreme

563
00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:03,160
Speaker 1: as a lifting an entire car, but something that you

564
00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:08,640
Speaker 1: shouldn't be able to do physically, right, Right, So there's

565
00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:11,640
Speaker 1: a pretty good example, or um, there's a pretty good

566
00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:15,239
Speaker 1: theory I should say about how hysterical strength could work.

567
00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:19,400
Speaker 1: And it all goes back to adrenaline when Adrenaline is

568
00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:23,240
Speaker 1: released by your adrenal medulla, and that's a interior region

569
00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:26,359
Speaker 1: of your adrenal glands. Uh. It allows blood to flow

570
00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:29,160
Speaker 1: more easily to your muscles, which means more oxygen goes

571
00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:32,920
Speaker 1: to your muscles, which means your muscles function and elevated levels.

572
00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:38,680
Speaker 1: Right and then when they are okay, So when you

573
00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:41,759
Speaker 1: are throwing a punch or lifting the Toyota Corolla, just

574
00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:45,200
Speaker 1: save your kid or whatever, uh, or just lifting things Normally,

575
00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:48,320
Speaker 1: your skeletal muscles, the ones that are attached your bones,

576
00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:53,120
Speaker 1: are activated by impulses from the nervous system. They contract,

577
00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:58,720
Speaker 1: they tighten, and adrenaline facilitates the conversion of your body's

578
00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:04,120
Speaker 1: fuel like gym into its well the fuel source into

579
00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:07,920
Speaker 1: the actual fuel glycogen to glucose. So this gives extra

580
00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:11,680
Speaker 1: energy to your muscles. A sudden burst of glucose also

581
00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:14,880
Speaker 1: allows them to strengthen further for very short time, and

582
00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:18,480
Speaker 1: it also dampens your pain receptors a bit. So when

583
00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:22,719
Speaker 1: you are like let's say, in an adrenaline rage and

584
00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:26,600
Speaker 1: lifting something and you don't feel your muscles maybe somewhat

585
00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:32,080
Speaker 1: breaking in that moment. Yeah, maybe you'll pay for it later, uh,

586
00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:38,320
Speaker 1: but that's only temporary super strength. It turns out that

587
00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:41,120
Speaker 1: the truth is stranger than the fiction. In this case,

588
00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:45,480
Speaker 1: there really is full time, permanent, for the rest of

589
00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:48,759
Speaker 1: your life super strength. So at five months old, this

590
00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:53,560
Speaker 1: fellow from Grand Rapids, Michigan named Liam Horkstra pronouncing that

591
00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:56,279
Speaker 1: right uh, started doing an expert gymnast move called the

592
00:36:56,320 --> 00:37:00,239
Speaker 1: iron cross UH. And then by eight months old, Liam

593
00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:02,759
Speaker 1: could do a pull up, and by nine months he

594
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:05,279
Speaker 1: could climb up and downstairs. I am thirty four and

595
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:09,520
Speaker 1: I still cannot So that is pretty cool. Um. So

596
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:14,120
Speaker 1: soon the family thought what's going on here? Likely figured

597
00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:15,520
Speaker 1: they should get it checked out, so they took him

598
00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:18,680
Speaker 1: to a specialist who diagnosed Liam with a rare condition

599
00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:24,919
Speaker 1: that's loosely called myostatin related muscle hypertrophy um. And that's

600
00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:28,399
Speaker 1: according to a report by the Associated Press. And then

601
00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:31,600
Speaker 1: virtually every animal on Earth has a gene that produces

602
00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:37,000
Speaker 1: a muscle grown inhibiting protein called myostatin um. And high

603
00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:39,279
Speaker 1: levels of myostatin make it hard for the body to

604
00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:45,120
Speaker 1: build muscle, and low levels allow muscles to grow. So

605
00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:48,160
Speaker 1: what's the takeaway here, ben Oh, So that means that

606
00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:54,319
Speaker 1: the gene responsible for myostatin. If it's broken, then there's

607
00:37:54,360 --> 00:38:00,000
Speaker 1: no limiting of your muscle development uninhabited just bp nous.

608
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:03,080
Speaker 1: So it's not it's not a gene that is supposed

609
00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:05,520
Speaker 1: to give you super strength. It's a gene that's supposed

610
00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:08,480
Speaker 1: to prevent you from having super strength, and when it's broken,

611
00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:11,640
Speaker 1: you get more muscle essentially. So you may have seen

612
00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:16,319
Speaker 1: this before too. U cows cattle, Yeah, there's a breed

613
00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:19,040
Speaker 1: of cattle called the Belgium Blue that all of them

614
00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:25,640
Speaker 1: just look ripped. They look like, I don't know how

615
00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:28,480
Speaker 1: you would convince them to go to a slaughterhouse, you know,

616
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:31,120
Speaker 1: they look like they could just stare you down. Do

617
00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:36,200
Speaker 1: you think they're delicious or I don't know. They might

618
00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:39,000
Speaker 1: not have marbling, you know, with like the little uh

619
00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:42,560
Speaker 1: strands of fat in there uh waigu. They are not.

620
00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:45,800
Speaker 1: But it's also this gene has also been found in mice.

621
00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:49,360
Speaker 1: There was another kid in Germany who was detected with

622
00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:53,120
Speaker 1: this ability earlier. The condition is so rare only a

623
00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:56,759
Speaker 1: few other cases have ever been found. So there's not

624
00:38:56,960 --> 00:39:04,000
Speaker 1: secretly some community of superpowered tank people. Yeah, just you know,

625
00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:09,439
Speaker 1: and brock Lesner, I guess yet at least well there's

626
00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:12,520
Speaker 1: also so just a laundry list. A couple more here.

627
00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:17,520
Speaker 1: There's also synaesthesia, right, which we mentioned earlier. That is

628
00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:23,440
Speaker 1: where your sensory inputs for one sense get cross wired,

629
00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:28,960
Speaker 1: or you know, they get somehow combined with a another

630
00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:33,239
Speaker 1: sensory input. So haven't you experienced that before? Yeah? Yeah,

631
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:38,920
Speaker 1: So for like, in uh, my case, a lot of

632
00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:44,120
Speaker 1: textures have colors and kind of shapes of their own

633
00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:53,480
Speaker 1: um and in other cases, so Vladimir Nabokov is phenomenal

634
00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:57,160
Speaker 1: writer who also had synaesthesia, and his wife at Synistasian,

635
00:39:57,200 --> 00:39:59,359
Speaker 1: I think one of his kids at Sinnesestagian, and he

636
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:04,080
Speaker 1: attempted you prove for him letters had colors and shapes

637
00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:07,839
Speaker 1: or colors and textures, and he attempted to prove that

638
00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:12,960
Speaker 1: they were somehow accessing this greater truth. But it turns

639
00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:16,279
Speaker 1: out that his wife and his kid were both like,

640
00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:21,440
Speaker 1: uh no, dude, oh is not a blue silver? Oh?

641
00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:24,759
Speaker 1: They indifferent? Yeah, They're like, oh is yellow? Why are

642
00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:28,839
Speaker 1: you being an idiot? So this seems to be individual,

643
00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:33,160
Speaker 1: but it is a It is a legitimate um cross

644
00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:35,720
Speaker 1: century thing, and a lot of times people have probably

645
00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:42,200
Speaker 1: experienced it in childhood maybe or in other maybe under

646
00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:46,759
Speaker 1: the influence of a psychotropic especially music, or with music. Well,

647
00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:50,840
Speaker 1: it's a thing that comes up often with musicians and artists.

648
00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:55,520
Speaker 1: In fact, um Mental Floss has an article called twelve

649
00:40:55,520 --> 00:40:58,040
Speaker 1: famous artist with synesthesias. I'm just gonna rip this one

650
00:40:58,080 --> 00:41:02,840
Speaker 1: real quick, just for your information. Nabokov who wrote Lolita.

651
00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:06,560
Speaker 1: Very well known author Tory Amos, who I was completely

652
00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:09,360
Speaker 1: obsessed with when I was a kid. Um, we've got

653
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:15,120
Speaker 1: Jeffrey Rush, the famous actor from Shine to Great film

654
00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:19,080
Speaker 1: Not So Great from the Pirates of the Caribbean movies. Um,

655
00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:22,319
Speaker 1: we got Duke Ellington who was a fantastic bandleader and

656
00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:26,759
Speaker 1: musician and arranger and composer, Billy Joel who to funk it,

657
00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:30,400
Speaker 1: We've got dev Hines from um he was. He's in

658
00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:32,920
Speaker 1: a band called Blood Orange that's really really cool if

659
00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:35,480
Speaker 1: you guys haven't heard them recommend that. And he has

660
00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:39,720
Speaker 1: something called chromas thesia, which is where you see sound

661
00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:45,480
Speaker 1: as color, you interpret sound as visually, very very cool

662
00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:47,680
Speaker 1: and then rounded out. We have Ben Bowling of how

663
00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:49,600
Speaker 1: stuff works and stuff they don't want you to know

664
00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:55,719
Speaker 1: slash car stuff, slash brain stuff. Synesthesia artists, oh we oh,

665
00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:58,000
Speaker 1: that's very kind. We do have a brain stuff video

666
00:41:58,080 --> 00:42:01,080
Speaker 1: about Synesthi. There you go if someone's interested in learning it.

667
00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:03,640
Speaker 1: But yeah, it's a it's a real thing. Another cool

668
00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:06,799
Speaker 1: thing you can do. That's I I wonder should we

669
00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:10,239
Speaker 1: do Sinnesesesia an episode just on Sinaia. Actually looking about

670
00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:13,920
Speaker 1: this article, most of these artists had chromasthesia. Yeah, so

671
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:16,799
Speaker 1: I can see that when you're a musician, that kind

672
00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:20,760
Speaker 1: of would be an interesting where you experience sound visually.

673
00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:23,040
Speaker 1: I could see that as being kind of would be

674
00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:25,040
Speaker 1: maddening at times, but I could see it as being

675
00:42:25,080 --> 00:42:27,960
Speaker 1: like a whole headspace to be in for like getting

676
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:31,640
Speaker 1: there creatively. It would predispose you to pursue music, I think.

677
00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:36,040
Speaker 1: And then also, uh, if some people's voices might just

678
00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:38,560
Speaker 1: be ugly to you, so you might not be able

679
00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:42,120
Speaker 1: to talk to certain people. Chase the good notes because

680
00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:45,239
Speaker 1: they're the colors that are totally you're it enhances the

681
00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:47,880
Speaker 1: muse thing. But then I think you're right, Ben, it

682
00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:51,400
Speaker 1: also enhances whatever the dark side of it is. Literally

683
00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:54,959
Speaker 1: be like, please stop talking, please please, You're ugly. Ugly

684
00:42:55,960 --> 00:43:00,480
Speaker 1: is blinding me. Uh, there's also this is this one

685
00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:02,880
Speaker 1: is this will be one of the last ones for

686
00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:05,200
Speaker 1: this purpose. This is the closest thing I think to

687
00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:08,440
Speaker 1: a true, true superpower that's in this list, more so

688
00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:13,960
Speaker 1: than super strength. Temperature control, yes really yeah, as a

689
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:17,480
Speaker 1: survival mechanism, I think so. So. Yeah, it was um

690
00:43:17,719 --> 00:43:19,839
Speaker 1: Houdini able to do this? Did I make that up?

691
00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:23,840
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be surprised if he was, and I haven't

692
00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:27,840
Speaker 1: confirmed that, but it is. It is possible for people

693
00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:32,920
Speaker 1: to learn to control their um the autopilot functions that

694
00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:36,200
Speaker 1: your body usually has. You know, there there are probably

695
00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:40,040
Speaker 1: not many people who can or would purposefully stop their

696
00:43:40,080 --> 00:43:43,799
Speaker 1: hearts unaided through meditation alone, but there are people who

697
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:49,279
Speaker 1: are able to raise or lower their functioning body temperature.

698
00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:53,960
Speaker 1: Buddhist monks do this. You can see multiple video studies

699
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:57,040
Speaker 1: where they're in a cold room with an ice ice

700
00:43:57,120 --> 00:43:59,640
Speaker 1: blanket placed over them and they just steam it off

701
00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:03,759
Speaker 1: through a practice called tom oh I want to say,

702
00:44:04,040 --> 00:44:09,319
Speaker 1: tuma essentially through meditation just centering. So like getting so

703
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:11,480
Speaker 1: focused on it. I was totally wrong about who do

704
00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:12,920
Speaker 1: you need? By the way, just putting it out there,

705
00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:16,759
Speaker 1: maybe he just maybe he just didn't tell anybody. Yeah, yeah,

706
00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:21,440
Speaker 1: that's but there's a European named wim Hoff who learned

707
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:25,799
Speaker 1: uh these techniques and applied his own interpretation of them,

708
00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:29,680
Speaker 1: and now he holds twenty six world records because he

709
00:44:29,719 --> 00:44:33,839
Speaker 1: has a superhuman ability to withstand extreme cold. And he

710
00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:38,279
Speaker 1: says that through breathing exercises, he turns up his inner thermostat.

711
00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:41,960
Speaker 1: He is able to climb up places like Everest just

712
00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:45,480
Speaker 1: wearing shorts and shoes. Everest is very cold if you're

713
00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:48,800
Speaker 1: familiar with it. Um known as the Iceman. Yeah, and

714
00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:51,160
Speaker 1: a in a burst of creativity, he calls himself the

715
00:44:51,160 --> 00:44:56,080
Speaker 1: Ice Man. But you can see his numerous world records

716
00:44:56,480 --> 00:44:59,920
Speaker 1: and this. I don't know what's your favorite power so far,

717
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:03,120
Speaker 1: are you, guys of the ones on the list? I honestly,

718
00:45:03,239 --> 00:45:06,000
Speaker 1: I think this is mine because one of the one

719
00:45:06,040 --> 00:45:09,160
Speaker 1: of the longest things humans have had to fight against

720
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:12,840
Speaker 1: is the winter and the cold and being able to

721
00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:15,440
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know how long he can withstand it.

722
00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:16,960
Speaker 1: It seems like a long period of time if he

723
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:20,960
Speaker 1: can get up kill him Injaro, Uh using these techniques

724
00:45:21,160 --> 00:45:24,600
Speaker 1: and staying warm, uh swimming. I saw a video of

725
00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:28,600
Speaker 1: him swimming just in the ice water and he's just like, yeah,

726
00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:35,680
Speaker 1: it's all good going for temperature control. Honestly, not the hothead, Frederick.

727
00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:41,200
Speaker 1: I just think it's the best, more so than super strength. Yeah,

728
00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:48,279
Speaker 1: because muscles, you know, they're fine, kind of gross. What

729
00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:51,399
Speaker 1: about you know? I could see you as a Sinsatia fan. Yeah,

730
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:54,480
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, it's hard to know whether

731
00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:58,719
Speaker 1: it would be cool or not. Experience it might be

732
00:45:59,160 --> 00:46:01,160
Speaker 1: you know, it might be like a double edged sword,

733
00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:05,200
Speaker 1: right like where it's like, Okay, I'm this like genius composer,

734
00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:09,360
Speaker 1: but I wish it would stop, you know, I don't know,

735
00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:13,680
Speaker 1: it seems interesting. I don't know. Man, Like, I think

736
00:46:13,719 --> 00:46:17,560
Speaker 1: I'm with Matt on the body temperature one. That certainly

737
00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:21,239
Speaker 1: is a functional All right, I'm switching mind. Then I'm

738
00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:24,680
Speaker 1: I'm going to serup skin. That's my favorite is that

739
00:46:24,880 --> 00:46:31,520
Speaker 1: we're doing that stick stick sticky body, sticky crane. Let's

740
00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:35,360
Speaker 1: do it. Then you don't have to really wear clothes.

741
00:46:35,360 --> 00:46:37,680
Speaker 1: I can just get objects and apply them to myself

742
00:46:37,680 --> 00:46:40,480
Speaker 1: in various strategic whatever you need clothes, you'll just roll

743
00:46:40,560 --> 00:46:43,520
Speaker 1: around on. Yeah, we're good to go. Well, uh, in

744
00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:47,000
Speaker 1: case you don't, I don't want you to feel like

745
00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:48,840
Speaker 1: you have to give your final answer now because there

746
00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:51,640
Speaker 1: are a few more things and some interesting developments in

747
00:46:51,680 --> 00:46:54,120
Speaker 1: the near future, which we'll learn about after a word

748
00:46:54,200 --> 00:47:05,120
Speaker 1: from our sponsor, and we're back. So far, our journey

749
00:47:05,120 --> 00:47:10,800
Speaker 1: into the world of extraordinary superpowers or semi supernatural seeming

750
00:47:10,840 --> 00:47:13,759
Speaker 1: abilities has has been pretty pretty fun, you know, kind

751
00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:17,920
Speaker 1: of lighthearted. We haven't run into any real danger here, no,

752
00:47:18,080 --> 00:47:22,480
Speaker 1: and it's all well, mostly it's been natural abilities that

753
00:47:22,680 --> 00:47:26,880
Speaker 1: have been found in people, right, yeah, yeah, And it

754
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:30,239
Speaker 1: shows us a little bit about the scale and the

755
00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:34,680
Speaker 1: scope of the human genome. Right. We still have no

756
00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:39,360
Speaker 1: idea what other stuff could be out there, but this show,

757
00:47:39,480 --> 00:47:41,600
Speaker 1: being the type of show it is, of course, we

758
00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:45,440
Speaker 1: do have a turn. There is some stuff they don't

759
00:47:45,560 --> 00:47:50,279
Speaker 1: want you to know, and they, in this case are

760
00:47:50,520 --> 00:47:53,479
Speaker 1: various organizations that we mentioned in the top. The big

761
00:47:53,560 --> 00:47:56,480
Speaker 1: question here is what if someone decided to stop waiting

762
00:47:56,520 --> 00:48:01,239
Speaker 1: on the genetic lottery, the infinite monkeys and infinite typewriters

763
00:48:01,520 --> 00:48:04,799
Speaker 1: just sort of plucking away until they make poetry and Shakespeare.

764
00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:07,319
Speaker 1: What if someone decided to stop waiting for accidents and

765
00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:13,400
Speaker 1: started creating superpowers and humans through technology, you mean just

766
00:48:13,600 --> 00:48:18,959
Speaker 1: through technology? Uh, And a possible lack of ethics right, Yeah,

767
00:48:19,080 --> 00:48:23,480
Speaker 1: human experimentation and then possibly covering it up. Right. We've

768
00:48:23,520 --> 00:48:27,520
Speaker 1: talked about DARPA projects in the past, including transcranial direct

769
00:48:27,600 --> 00:48:33,120
Speaker 1: current simulation, alteration of sleep patterns, and uh, a couple

770
00:48:33,160 --> 00:48:38,400
Speaker 1: of other things by feedback experiments, creating cybernetic implants, or

771
00:48:38,440 --> 00:48:43,080
Speaker 1: the exploration of quote unquote wet wear stuff like that. Uh,

772
00:48:43,120 --> 00:48:45,840
Speaker 1: it's possible, but that's something that most people know about

773
00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:49,160
Speaker 1: and that or most people are somewhat aware of and

774
00:48:49,440 --> 00:48:55,919
Speaker 1: doesn't seem too terrible, right, But there's something else there.

775
00:48:56,480 --> 00:49:01,840
Speaker 1: It turns out that there are prevalent worries that private

776
00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:07,040
Speaker 1: entities may be attempting to control genes, certain genetic expressions,

777
00:49:07,960 --> 00:49:12,160
Speaker 1: one which would be, for instance, an immunity to pain. Yeah,

778
00:49:12,200 --> 00:49:17,200
Speaker 1: this is I'm gonna use it, nol. This is fascinating.

779
00:49:18,239 --> 00:49:20,560
Speaker 1: I saw a video on YouTube not too long ago

780
00:49:20,680 --> 00:49:28,160
Speaker 1: about a gentleman who has this genetic condition, and it

781
00:49:28,320 --> 00:49:31,560
Speaker 1: has upsides and downsides to it. It appears the big

782
00:49:31,680 --> 00:49:34,799
Speaker 1: upside is that you can't feel pain, or you feel

783
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:38,200
Speaker 1: pain to a much lesser degree than any normal person

784
00:49:38,239 --> 00:49:42,399
Speaker 1: walking around would, so you could perhaps persist long after

785
00:49:42,480 --> 00:49:46,360
Speaker 1: at an activity, long after a pain threshold would have

786
00:49:46,360 --> 00:49:48,640
Speaker 1: been reached by another person. Yeah, because pain is really

787
00:49:48,640 --> 00:49:51,040
Speaker 1: just your body telling you, hey, don't do this, or

788
00:49:51,200 --> 00:49:54,919
Speaker 1: get away from there, or you know there's danger right now.

789
00:49:55,719 --> 00:49:57,680
Speaker 1: I have a friend who I grew up with who

790
00:49:57,719 --> 00:50:02,280
Speaker 1: had a condition called spina bifi has and he couldn't

791
00:50:02,320 --> 00:50:06,279
Speaker 1: feel had had some extremities that he had no feeling in,

792
00:50:06,560 --> 00:50:08,719
Speaker 1: and so it ended up happening. Sometimes he would get

793
00:50:09,320 --> 00:50:12,960
Speaker 1: a cut or something like that and he wouldn't notice it,

794
00:50:13,440 --> 00:50:15,640
Speaker 1: and over time, if he didn't pay attention to it,

795
00:50:15,640 --> 00:50:19,560
Speaker 1: it could be problematic. Right, Yeah, So it's like, you know,

796
00:50:19,719 --> 00:50:22,239
Speaker 1: you think the idea of not feeling pain is super cool,

797
00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:25,000
Speaker 1: but it could be a liability to write no, pain

798
00:50:25,120 --> 00:50:28,879
Speaker 1: is a survival mechanism. We would probably not be here

799
00:50:28,920 --> 00:50:31,560
Speaker 1: if we could not have something to tell us that

800
00:50:31,640 --> 00:50:35,160
Speaker 1: fire is hot. Yeah, exactly. And in this case, we're

801
00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:38,920
Speaker 1: dealing with a mutation in the gene l r P five.

802
00:50:39,480 --> 00:50:41,640
Speaker 1: If you're writing these down, make sure you're keeping track.

803
00:50:42,280 --> 00:50:44,840
Speaker 1: There will be a quiz at the end on the genes.

804
00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:48,240
Speaker 1: It's true. Oh no, they we're doing a gene quiz.

805
00:50:48,440 --> 00:50:51,560
Speaker 1: It might be okay, you know, we'll play it by here.

806
00:50:53,040 --> 00:50:57,080
Speaker 1: We we don't want the rules of our show to

807
00:50:57,160 --> 00:51:00,759
Speaker 1: be as rigid as the bones of this clan. Oh.

808
00:51:00,920 --> 00:51:04,680
Speaker 1: I don't know if that was worth an Oh that

809
00:51:04,800 --> 00:51:06,920
Speaker 1: was where they a nod that we are keeping the

810
00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:13,560
Speaker 1: conversation moving. Uh so, yes, it's it's absolutely true. This

811
00:51:13,560 --> 00:51:16,640
Speaker 1: this gene has been isolated. It has been found. We

812
00:51:16,719 --> 00:51:24,240
Speaker 1: have traced the source of NI unbreakable bones. There's another

813
00:51:24,360 --> 00:51:29,520
Speaker 1: gene for a what's called a super sleeper mutation. Imagine

814
00:51:29,560 --> 00:51:33,200
Speaker 1: if you could just sleep four hours a night for

815
00:51:33,239 --> 00:51:35,640
Speaker 1: the rest of your life, and you would feel great better.

816
00:51:35,680 --> 00:51:38,399
Speaker 1: In fact, that people who got their solid eight to ten.

817
00:51:38,960 --> 00:51:41,600
Speaker 1: There's a group of people they're called short sleepers, and

818
00:51:41,640 --> 00:51:45,759
Speaker 1: scientists are only recently uncovering what makes them this way.

819
00:51:45,800 --> 00:51:48,120
Speaker 1: It turns out it's a gene called h D e

820
00:51:48,360 --> 00:51:53,040
Speaker 1: C two. For the most part, researchers believe these are

821
00:51:53,120 --> 00:51:57,319
Speaker 1: connected to specific genetic mutations, and the one that we

822
00:51:58,040 --> 00:52:01,760
Speaker 1: just shouted out, h D e C two is only

823
00:52:01,880 --> 00:52:05,439
Speaker 1: one of the genes that they have gone public with.

824
00:52:05,680 --> 00:52:09,680
Speaker 1: So there are other ones that are currently classified research.

825
00:52:09,800 --> 00:52:12,640
Speaker 1: And just like we mentioned with tetra cramats, there are

826
00:52:12,680 --> 00:52:15,600
Speaker 1: also super tasters. Man, I was just about to plug

827
00:52:15,640 --> 00:52:18,680
Speaker 1: our buddies Will and Mangesh from Part Time Genius. They

828
00:52:18,680 --> 00:52:22,000
Speaker 1: have an episode on sleep where they talk about Margaret

829
00:52:22,040 --> 00:52:25,680
Speaker 1: Thatcher and her you know, infamous ability to sleep very

830
00:52:25,800 --> 00:52:28,839
Speaker 1: very little. Um. But there was another episode they did

831
00:52:28,880 --> 00:52:32,200
Speaker 1: where Jerry, our mysterious boss and producer of Stuff you

832
00:52:32,200 --> 00:52:35,360
Speaker 1: Should Know, and myself joined Will and Mango in the

833
00:52:35,400 --> 00:52:37,600
Speaker 1: studio to take a test to see if we were

834
00:52:37,600 --> 00:52:40,839
Speaker 1: super tasters. It involved putting this little piece of paper

835
00:52:40,840 --> 00:52:43,400
Speaker 1: in our mouths and if you were a super taster,

836
00:52:43,560 --> 00:52:45,880
Speaker 1: it would taste really bitter, and if you weren't, it

837
00:52:45,880 --> 00:52:49,040
Speaker 1: would just taste like nothing. And Jerry's a super taster,

838
00:52:49,120 --> 00:52:53,960
Speaker 1: you no way really bitter? Wow, Well, so we have

839
00:52:54,040 --> 00:52:57,560
Speaker 1: a superpowered individual in our midst. Did they tell you

840
00:52:57,719 --> 00:53:00,600
Speaker 1: it was supposed to be better before the test? See? Now,

841
00:53:00,600 --> 00:53:02,560
Speaker 1: they shouldn't have done that. They should have given you

842
00:53:02,640 --> 00:53:05,520
Speaker 1: the no. No, no, I wanted it. I mean the

843
00:53:05,560 --> 00:53:08,799
Speaker 1: way that she described it was like WHOA like big

844
00:53:08,840 --> 00:53:11,160
Speaker 1: time Like I I in my mind was like maybe

845
00:53:11,160 --> 00:53:13,960
Speaker 1: it's a little bitter. That was my placebo effect kicking in.

846
00:53:14,040 --> 00:53:16,400
Speaker 1: But for her, she was like, you guys, this tastes

847
00:53:16,440 --> 00:53:24,520
Speaker 1: like grapefruit. Like here's another here's another genetic predisposition that

848
00:53:24,719 --> 00:53:27,520
Speaker 1: maybe a world changer, and let's let's hope that the

849
00:53:27,600 --> 00:53:30,160
Speaker 1: right researchers get ahold of it are allowed to work

850
00:53:30,160 --> 00:53:35,240
Speaker 1: with it. Cancer immunity in Ecuador, there was a group

851
00:53:35,239 --> 00:53:39,680
Speaker 1: of people who are called the Lauron Dwarves l A

852
00:53:40,000 --> 00:53:43,839
Speaker 1: r O n uh. They appear corned all the researchers

853
00:53:44,200 --> 00:53:48,400
Speaker 1: to be immune to cancer, diabetes, and a couple of

854
00:53:48,440 --> 00:53:55,440
Speaker 1: other diseases. Um this the people who suffer this syndrome

855
00:53:55,520 --> 00:53:59,880
Speaker 1: and also have this immunity have lack of hormone called

856
00:54:00,040 --> 00:54:05,799
Speaker 1: i g F one, and scientists are hoping that they

857
00:54:05,840 --> 00:54:10,080
Speaker 1: can develop a drug that will mimic the you know,

858
00:54:10,160 --> 00:54:13,279
Speaker 1: the good parts of this genetic defect, and the people

859
00:54:13,320 --> 00:54:18,560
Speaker 1: who inherit the defect are perfect, like in perfect human proportions. However,

860
00:54:19,040 --> 00:54:22,880
Speaker 1: they only grow to an average height of four feet uh.

861
00:54:22,920 --> 00:54:25,759
Speaker 1: And they're about three hundred people in the world who

862
00:54:25,760 --> 00:54:28,359
Speaker 1: have this condition, which is known as Lettle and dwarfism

863
00:54:28,800 --> 00:54:32,160
Speaker 1: uh and a third of them live in remote villages

864
00:54:32,400 --> 00:54:37,040
Speaker 1: in Ecuador southern Loha proference. So in this case, i

865
00:54:37,360 --> 00:54:41,640
Speaker 1: g F one is this blessing and a curse because

866
00:54:41,920 --> 00:54:44,200
Speaker 1: it seems like the lack of it is what causes

867
00:54:45,080 --> 00:54:49,400
Speaker 1: the growth or the lack of growth in in height.

868
00:54:49,840 --> 00:54:52,480
Speaker 1: But it's also the thing that's preventing them from getting

869
00:54:52,480 --> 00:54:55,239
Speaker 1: these terrible diseases not having it. Yeah. I g F

870
00:54:55,320 --> 00:55:00,400
Speaker 1: stands for insulin like growth factor one, and it's uh,

871
00:55:00,440 --> 00:55:03,120
Speaker 1: this is the stuff that simulates a cell to grow

872
00:55:03,239 --> 00:55:05,920
Speaker 1: and divide. If you're an ordinary person, you have too

873
00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:08,680
Speaker 1: much of this hormone, you can develop prostate, breast, or

874
00:55:08,680 --> 00:55:13,520
Speaker 1: bowel cancer early in your childhood. So it's a it's

875
00:55:13,520 --> 00:55:17,279
Speaker 1: a good question, you know, would you what would you

876
00:55:17,360 --> 00:55:22,960
Speaker 1: do to prevent somebody from like your child, from gaining

877
00:55:23,320 --> 00:55:29,320
Speaker 1: getting cancer? Yeah, I know, Like what consequences would you take? Right? Also,

878
00:55:29,640 --> 00:55:33,080
Speaker 1: what would you do if you were a private corporation

879
00:55:33,120 --> 00:55:38,440
Speaker 1: of pharmaceutical or something to control access to this. The

880
00:55:38,640 --> 00:55:45,959
Speaker 1: privatization and for profit deployment of genetic therapy is a

881
00:55:46,040 --> 00:55:48,840
Speaker 1: huge concern and it may be very very big news

882
00:55:48,880 --> 00:55:52,080
Speaker 1: in the next few years. Have you heard of something

883
00:55:52,160 --> 00:55:55,839
Speaker 1: called gene doping? Well, yeah, so, I mean it's it's

884
00:55:55,880 --> 00:56:00,160
Speaker 1: basically a hypothetical, non therapeutic use of gene therapy be

885
00:56:00,360 --> 00:56:05,520
Speaker 1: by athletes, and the purpose is to gain the upper

886
00:56:05,600 --> 00:56:10,200
Speaker 1: hand over their opponents in terms of their performance in

887
00:56:10,239 --> 00:56:13,680
Speaker 1: particular sporting events, um, most of which all of which

888
00:56:13,680 --> 00:56:17,879
Speaker 1: I would say prohibit such applications of genetic modification. I mean,

889
00:56:17,880 --> 00:56:21,200
Speaker 1: it's essentially they call it doping because the doping is

890
00:56:21,200 --> 00:56:24,520
Speaker 1: is referring to taking performance enhancing drugs. This is just

891
00:56:24,600 --> 00:56:28,919
Speaker 1: kind of a cooler science ere you know, version of that. Yeah,

892
00:56:29,000 --> 00:56:34,080
Speaker 1: And as of as of April fifteen, at least, there's

893
00:56:34,160 --> 00:56:37,520
Speaker 1: no hard evidence that gene doping has been used for

894
00:56:37,640 --> 00:56:44,000
Speaker 1: performance enhancement yet. But that data is from two years ago,

895
00:56:44,960 --> 00:56:47,960
Speaker 1: more than two years ago now, So what else could

896
00:56:47,960 --> 00:56:51,040
Speaker 1: have happened? Would do you think it be harder or

897
00:56:51,080 --> 00:56:53,680
Speaker 1: easier to detect even? Like, how would you even like

898
00:56:54,360 --> 00:56:56,239
Speaker 1: screen for it in the way that you would like

899
00:56:56,280 --> 00:56:58,200
Speaker 1: with a blood or you're in test for you know,

900
00:56:58,320 --> 00:57:00,759
Speaker 1: steroids or human growth horn owners. That's true, And I

901
00:57:00,760 --> 00:57:04,759
Speaker 1: also wonder when it comes to this expression, how one

902
00:57:04,840 --> 00:57:08,400
Speaker 1: would do it in a an adult person? You know

903
00:57:08,440 --> 00:57:11,160
Speaker 1: what I mean? Because for me, I always I had

904
00:57:11,200 --> 00:57:15,080
Speaker 1: always thought of genetic modifications something that occurs in utero

905
00:57:15,520 --> 00:57:18,080
Speaker 1: early on before you become a human. We talked about this,

906
00:57:18,160 --> 00:57:21,560
Speaker 1: I think over drinks one night with my my roommate Frank,

907
00:57:21,880 --> 00:57:24,480
Speaker 1: where you know, there was a thing I read where

908
00:57:25,000 --> 00:57:28,760
Speaker 1: UM researchers were able to encode a gift of a

909
00:57:28,840 --> 00:57:32,479
Speaker 1: galloping horse into a sequence of d n A, And

910
00:57:32,880 --> 00:57:36,320
Speaker 1: what resulted from that was this notion that we can

911
00:57:36,600 --> 00:57:43,560
Speaker 1: theoretically store electronic information in our genet, right, but how

912
00:57:43,600 --> 00:57:45,680
Speaker 1: do you how do you do that? How do you

913
00:57:45,720 --> 00:57:47,400
Speaker 1: add it in? And the thing that we came up

914
00:57:47,400 --> 00:57:49,200
Speaker 1: with was, well, maybe you have to inject it into

915
00:57:49,280 --> 00:57:53,480
Speaker 1: your stem cells and then it propagates throughout your entire code.

916
00:57:53,560 --> 00:57:58,760
Speaker 1: I guess I don't know scientists, lab rats talk to us.

917
00:57:59,040 --> 00:58:02,360
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, so yeah, that's I really appreciate you bringing

918
00:58:02,440 --> 00:58:05,840
Speaker 1: up that conversation because that is all true and it

919
00:58:06,000 --> 00:58:08,400
Speaker 1: is phenomenal. This is what a time to be a

920
00:58:08,400 --> 00:58:12,400
Speaker 1: live type stuff. Gene doping would involve the use of

921
00:58:12,440 --> 00:58:16,800
Speaker 1: gene transfer to increase or decrease expression and biosynthesis of

922
00:58:16,880 --> 00:58:21,320
Speaker 1: specific proteins uh. Reporting to the latest theories, This could

923
00:58:21,320 --> 00:58:24,439
Speaker 1: be done by and directly injecting a gene carrier into

924
00:58:24,480 --> 00:58:28,080
Speaker 1: a person, or by taking cells from a person, transforming

925
00:58:28,080 --> 00:58:30,840
Speaker 1: those cells, and then sending them back to the person.

926
00:58:31,480 --> 00:58:34,880
Speaker 1: So there would be like no uh potential for rejection

927
00:58:35,200 --> 00:58:38,480
Speaker 1: or something for form and cell. We have some examples

928
00:58:38,520 --> 00:58:42,000
Speaker 1: of this too, i'm and we'll group them by how

929
00:58:42,040 --> 00:58:45,120
Speaker 1: they might affect performance. So first there would be the

930
00:58:45,280 --> 00:58:50,560
Speaker 1: skeletal enhancement. Alpha acting in three is found only in

931
00:58:50,600 --> 00:58:54,560
Speaker 1: skeletal muscles in humans, and it has a different what's

932
00:58:54,560 --> 00:59:00,720
Speaker 1: called polymorphism in world class athletes in comparison to normal people.

933
00:59:01,560 --> 00:59:06,160
Speaker 1: So one form causes the gene to make protein and

934
00:59:06,200 --> 00:59:09,840
Speaker 1: it's found in sprinters and it's related to increased power.

935
00:59:10,160 --> 00:59:12,760
Speaker 1: And there's another form that causes the gene to make

936
00:59:12,880 --> 00:59:16,800
Speaker 1: less protein and it's found in endurance athletes. So we

937
00:59:16,800 --> 00:59:21,040
Speaker 1: could say, you know, we're gonna make Tristan mcneio the

938
00:59:21,080 --> 00:59:24,240
Speaker 1: world class sprinter, so let's inject him with this form.

939
00:59:24,800 --> 00:59:26,880
Speaker 1: Have you seen the boy run? I don't think he's good.

940
00:59:26,960 --> 00:59:29,880
Speaker 1: He's a gazelle. He is like a cheetah mixed with

941
00:59:29,960 --> 00:59:34,680
Speaker 1: a gazelle grace. Yeah, just springing across the tundra. There's

942
00:59:34,720 --> 00:59:41,560
Speaker 1: this slide the savannah wherever gazelle's spring, he's smelt. He's

943
00:59:41,600 --> 00:59:45,440
Speaker 1: like smiling and nodding, but it's like a mischievous Yeah,

944
00:59:45,480 --> 00:59:47,840
Speaker 1: it's very much like a Michael Douglas and falling down

945
00:59:48,200 --> 00:59:52,760
Speaker 1: smile uh, I found out today a mutual coworker of ours.

946
00:59:52,800 --> 00:59:56,160
Speaker 1: Don't have to go too off trail father in law,

947
00:59:57,040 --> 01:00:03,320
Speaker 1: Old buddies with Michael Douglas. Whoa huh, it's our boy

948
01:00:03,720 --> 01:00:06,920
Speaker 1: and dog. Leave it at that. Oh, you have to

949
01:00:06,960 --> 01:00:09,479
Speaker 1: go to the ant Man set and watch the part

950
01:00:09,480 --> 01:00:11,439
Speaker 1: where he was filming, the part where he looks young

951
01:00:11,840 --> 01:00:14,080
Speaker 1: and like he said, they shot it with him and

952
01:00:14,120 --> 01:00:16,400
Speaker 1: then with a younger actor that looked a lot like him,

953
01:00:16,640 --> 01:00:18,600
Speaker 1: and they did the exact same moves and they somehow

954
01:00:18,640 --> 01:00:21,840
Speaker 1: like comped them together, like with the body or whatever

955
01:00:21,960 --> 01:00:24,040
Speaker 1: to like mat I don't know exactly. You know, there's

956
01:00:24,520 --> 01:00:27,800
Speaker 1: the movie stuff these days that's going over my head.

957
01:00:27,840 --> 01:00:33,000
Speaker 1: That's what that sound is. But anyway, regular topic powers

958
01:00:33,040 --> 01:00:38,360
Speaker 1: would also be fished. They're technologically driven, you know. I

959
01:00:38,400 --> 01:00:40,640
Speaker 1: think in the comics there's a temporary time where for

960
01:00:40,680 --> 01:00:43,880
Speaker 1: some reason he finds out he's been exposed to pim

961
01:00:43,960 --> 01:00:47,200
Speaker 1: particles so much that he can just change without the suit.

962
01:00:47,320 --> 01:00:50,880
Speaker 1: But let's be realistic in our comic books. God, you

963
01:00:50,880 --> 01:00:53,520
Speaker 1: know what a good drink is underrated Sim's cup, a

964
01:00:53,560 --> 01:00:55,880
Speaker 1: pim's cup. I've never had one because of my aversion

965
01:00:55,920 --> 01:00:57,880
Speaker 1: to touching metal. Refreshing. What No, why do you have

966
01:00:57,920 --> 01:00:59,919
Speaker 1: to do? Don't they have to come in a metal cup?

967
01:01:01,000 --> 01:01:05,400
Speaker 1: That's a moscow mule another thing I will never drink. Uh.

968
01:01:05,480 --> 01:01:11,560
Speaker 1: So the imagine that's that's pretty crazy. To increase that uh,

969
01:01:11,600 --> 01:01:14,600
Speaker 1: that running power in one of two ways or what

970
01:01:14,600 --> 01:01:17,280
Speaker 1: have you? Do it in both ways? You mean just

971
01:01:17,320 --> 01:01:19,680
Speaker 1: switch it back and forth? Yeah, whatever you want it to.

972
01:01:19,840 --> 01:01:23,680
Speaker 1: It might be consequences. So just shoot yourself in the

973
01:01:23,880 --> 01:01:26,000
Speaker 1: thigh or the base your spine when it's time for

974
01:01:26,040 --> 01:01:29,600
Speaker 1: a sprint at the end of your marathon. Couldn't there

975
01:01:29,640 --> 01:01:33,000
Speaker 1: just be like a capsule you bite down on. Yeah,

976
01:01:33,200 --> 01:01:38,360
Speaker 1: I like this idea. Anything you want, guys, Thanks Matt. Uh.

977
01:01:38,400 --> 01:01:43,560
Speaker 1: There's also we mentioned myostatin UH deficiency that would enhance

978
01:01:43,640 --> 01:01:47,880
Speaker 1: your musculature. There's a specific kind of glycoprotein that can

979
01:01:47,960 --> 01:01:51,080
Speaker 1: act as a hormone controlling your red blood cell production

980
01:01:51,720 --> 01:01:56,720
Speaker 1: and uh. This glycoprotein, specifically arithro poet in or e

981
01:01:56,880 --> 01:02:01,880
Speaker 1: p O, has already been injected at a performing performance

982
01:02:01,960 --> 01:02:05,760
Speaker 1: enhancing substance for many years. What it does is it

983
01:02:05,920 --> 01:02:09,600
Speaker 1: since it increases the production of red blood cells, it

984
01:02:09,640 --> 01:02:13,080
Speaker 1: means that you get more oxygen available to your muscles,

985
01:02:13,120 --> 01:02:17,200
Speaker 1: which means that you experience fatigue in a different way.

986
01:02:17,440 --> 01:02:21,480
Speaker 1: Your endurance is getting pumped up. Jeez, well we you

987
01:02:21,480 --> 01:02:27,360
Speaker 1: know we do want to pump pumping up. Here's a

988
01:02:27,440 --> 01:02:32,280
Speaker 1: scary one. There are proteins that could affect not just

989
01:02:32,480 --> 01:02:37,880
Speaker 1: your physical attributes, but your mental attributes. So imagine gene

990
01:02:37,880 --> 01:02:43,680
Speaker 1: doping that effects your psychology pain perception. Right, someone is

991
01:02:43,800 --> 01:02:48,400
Speaker 1: a a rugby player, like I don't want to feel

992
01:02:48,440 --> 01:02:54,160
Speaker 1: any pain what I'm rugby. Yeah, you'd be a super

993
01:02:54,280 --> 01:03:00,920
Speaker 1: rug or perhaps a cricket player wielding a wicket. You

994
01:03:00,920 --> 01:03:09,440
Speaker 1: could do wheeled wickets. That I learned about cricket recently,

995
01:03:09,840 --> 01:03:12,880
Speaker 1: um for a for work thing. But I'm probably never

996
01:03:12,880 --> 01:03:14,880
Speaker 1: going to be a world class cricket player unless I

997
01:03:14,920 --> 01:03:16,960
Speaker 1: douat myself up with all four of those things we

998
01:03:17,040 --> 01:03:21,960
Speaker 1: mentioned before, just like a fistful of needles. Sam. Yeah,

999
01:03:22,000 --> 01:03:25,640
Speaker 1: and if I survived the stabs, then uh then I'm

1000
01:03:25,680 --> 01:03:29,760
Speaker 1: gonna take over the world of cricket. The point of this,

1001
01:03:29,920 --> 01:03:32,120
Speaker 1: and we do hope you've enjoyed the episode so far,

1002
01:03:32,480 --> 01:03:37,840
Speaker 1: is that as fantastic and fictional and and sci fi

1003
01:03:38,000 --> 01:03:41,680
Speaker 1: esque as these may seem, there are not only genuine

1004
01:03:41,680 --> 01:03:45,680
Speaker 1: extraordinary human abilities, but there are groups that are working

1005
01:03:45,880 --> 01:03:51,800
Speaker 1: to further these abilities, to turn them into a profitable enterprise.

1006
01:03:52,080 --> 01:03:55,480
Speaker 1: And look, we're not automatically saying that's bad. I do

1007
01:03:55,600 --> 01:03:59,040
Speaker 1: think personally that it's dangerous, but that's my opinion. But

1008
01:03:59,080 --> 01:04:00,600
Speaker 1: then we asked the question, and you know, what if

1009
01:04:00,640 --> 01:04:05,080
Speaker 1: the profit motive is the only way these things become available? Right?

1010
01:04:05,120 --> 01:04:09,240
Speaker 1: What if there's It's sort of weird because I don't

1011
01:04:09,280 --> 01:04:12,120
Speaker 1: want to paint a false psychotomy, but who would you rather,

1012
01:04:12,880 --> 01:04:18,680
Speaker 1: uh be the person controlling super genetic super strength? Would

1013
01:04:18,680 --> 01:04:22,880
Speaker 1: it be a military that is making soldiers? Would it

1014
01:04:22,920 --> 01:04:26,920
Speaker 1: be you know, fiser or something that's me It's like

1015
01:04:27,040 --> 01:04:29,240
Speaker 1: with a military allow that happens behind closed doors and

1016
01:04:29,600 --> 01:04:34,840
Speaker 1: relatively low oversight from the public. I mean, if if

1017
01:04:34,880 --> 01:04:37,200
Speaker 1: any at all, right, you're talking black budget stuff there

1018
01:04:37,240 --> 01:04:40,920
Speaker 1: totally it's like the thing in the Wolverine movie, the

1019
01:04:41,000 --> 01:04:43,720
Speaker 1: really depressive one. Yeah. I mean I don't give anything away,

1020
01:04:43,760 --> 01:04:48,240
Speaker 1: but there's that's definitely a theme and specifically you know,

1021
01:04:48,280 --> 01:04:51,920
Speaker 1: with kids, and it's it's the way they portray it.

1022
01:04:51,920 --> 01:04:55,200
Speaker 1: It's super dark and super like, Wow, we really let

1023
01:04:55,240 --> 01:04:57,400
Speaker 1: this thing get out of hand. And now it's coming

1024
01:04:57,400 --> 01:04:59,600
Speaker 1: back to on that kind of thing, you know. But yeah,

1025
01:04:59,720 --> 01:05:02,400
Speaker 1: there's a lot of ethical questions involved in this stuff, right,

1026
01:05:02,760 --> 01:05:04,800
Speaker 1: But like you're saying, I guess with the company like Fiser,

1027
01:05:04,840 --> 01:05:08,560
Speaker 1: at least there's this sense of oversight. But it's so

1028
01:05:08,840 --> 01:05:12,080
Speaker 1: great and yeah, and it's dangerous too. You know. It's

1029
01:05:12,160 --> 01:05:15,160
Speaker 1: like the argument we uh, we hear a lot in

1030
01:05:15,440 --> 01:05:18,920
Speaker 1: various correspondencies on the internet. You know, a lot of

1031
01:05:18,920 --> 01:05:21,640
Speaker 1: folks tell us in reference to pharmaceutical companies that these

1032
01:05:21,640 --> 01:05:24,680
Speaker 1: companies are not seeking a cure. Why would they put

1033
01:05:24,720 --> 01:05:28,400
Speaker 1: themselves out of business there instead building a service model

1034
01:05:28,880 --> 01:05:31,880
Speaker 1: based on making somebody take a regiment of pills on

1035
01:05:31,920 --> 01:05:33,840
Speaker 1: a regular basis for the rest of their life. I

1036
01:05:33,880 --> 01:05:36,280
Speaker 1: think that's spot on. And if that pill can make

1037
01:05:36,360 --> 01:05:38,760
Speaker 1: you need to take another pill because of side effects,

1038
01:05:38,760 --> 01:05:43,880
Speaker 1: then all the pill too. So this is, uh, that's

1039
01:05:43,880 --> 01:05:46,280
Speaker 1: something we should also explore. Yeah, it seems like you're

1040
01:05:46,280 --> 01:05:48,720
Speaker 1: pretty convinced that's true. I mean, I don't know exactly

1041
01:05:48,800 --> 01:05:53,760
Speaker 1: to what extent, but it certainly seems like cure research

1042
01:05:54,200 --> 01:05:57,880
Speaker 1: has to be much more like privately funded or and

1043
01:05:57,920 --> 01:06:00,560
Speaker 1: it's it's a lot harder to get that kind of

1044
01:06:00,600 --> 01:06:03,320
Speaker 1: research funded than it is to get funding for something

1045
01:06:03,360 --> 01:06:06,480
Speaker 1: that's like a sure thing that we know will make money. Yeah,

1046
01:06:06,680 --> 01:06:09,080
Speaker 1: that's a good point. There are a lot of diseases

1047
01:06:09,120 --> 01:06:15,400
Speaker 1: that persist because there's done a profit incentive too combat them,

1048
01:06:15,440 --> 01:06:19,720
Speaker 1: you know, But but the research does continue, and for

1049
01:06:19,760 --> 01:06:24,680
Speaker 1: the record, malaria is dwindling. Now, well that's cool. Yeah,

1050
01:06:24,760 --> 01:06:29,680
Speaker 1: just for the record, I can't imagine large governments, especially

1051
01:06:29,680 --> 01:06:35,240
Speaker 1: those with armies that heavily rely on skilled human beings.

1052
01:06:35,480 --> 01:06:38,600
Speaker 1: I don't see why any one of those would not

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Speaker 1: be at least trying some kind of genetic enhancement research. Oh. Also,

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Speaker 1: I just remembered we asked Matt to have a superhero alias, right, um,

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Speaker 1: and I think the closest we came organically with Sticky

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Speaker 1: Matt that was closed. I don't know if you want

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Speaker 1: to be Sticky Mad. I think Syrup skin Works or

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Speaker 1: sup um the syrup Snake, the syrups syrupy snake. That's

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Speaker 1: pretty good. The syrupy snakesp versus the syrupy snake. Yeah no, no,

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Speaker 1: we'd be O. That does sound kind of evil if

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Speaker 1: you're the snake. Yeah, the snake hiss you spit maple

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Speaker 1: syrup like you do, or you could be it just

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01:07:23,600 --> 01:07:28,480
Speaker 1: gets you real sticky people. You could also be like

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Speaker 1: the syrup ferret. That's also a sort of serpentine, but

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Speaker 1: less well, if if Zippy Tristan over here was running

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Speaker 1: after you, you could spit maple syrup on his feet

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Speaker 1: and slow him down. Here we go. Yeah, okay, so

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Speaker 1: you're the speedster you can teleport. I'm pointing at people now. Sorry,

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Speaker 1: I just realized I forgot that they can't see Shadow Demon.

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Speaker 1: I'm fine with that. Look, I think shadow Powers is creative.

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Speaker 1: I was going for creativity, just throwing this in their

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Speaker 1: Shadow Demon I believe is a five six flyer for

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Speaker 1: six man. Is this a magic reference? Is that good?

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Speaker 1: Is any of what he said? Well, if it's good,

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Speaker 1: then that's fine. That'll I'll be a shadow them in

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Speaker 1: perfect Alright, Well, I wish it was a better name.

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Speaker 1: But uh but we hope you enjoyed this episode and

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Speaker 1: it is time for good at Corners. Our first shout

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Speaker 1: out goes to Matt. Matt listened to an episode that

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Speaker 1: we just released around the times of our birthdays in August,

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Speaker 1: and he says, I just listened to how may I

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01:08:37,520 --> 01:08:41,000
Speaker 1: help you? The episode? And although the episode and acting

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01:08:41,040 --> 01:08:45,400
Speaker 1: inside was fantastic. How dare you leave your listeners hanging

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01:08:45,479 --> 01:08:48,960
Speaker 1: like that? Just kidding? L O L I loved it.

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Speaker 1: Even though I look forward to learning each week about

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Speaker 1: all the topics you guys cover, this was a nice break,

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01:08:54,200 --> 01:08:57,960
Speaker 1: incredibly entertaining and downright hilarious at times. Wow, thank you, Matt.

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01:08:58,040 --> 01:09:00,639
Speaker 1: That's very kind. I hope this will become a regular

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Speaker 1: addition to the show. Keep up the great work, guys,

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01:09:03,840 --> 01:09:06,680
Speaker 1: and Matt says, ps. Yes, if the title didn't give

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Speaker 1: it away, I am a Canadian. L O l oh.

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Speaker 1: The title is know what the h E? Double hockey sticks? Uh? Well, first,

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Speaker 1: thanks for writings. Is this is such a tremendous compliment.

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01:09:18,400 --> 01:09:21,280
Speaker 1: I was Nolan. I were looking each other waiting to

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01:09:21,320 --> 01:09:24,280
Speaker 1: see what the plot twist? Would you know the plot twist?

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01:09:24,320 --> 01:09:28,400
Speaker 1: What was your dramatic reading? Sorry? The plot twist is

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Speaker 1: that he hopes that it will become a regular addition

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01:09:31,320 --> 01:09:34,640
Speaker 1: to our show. We have to give producer Alex some

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Speaker 1: serious props for that one. I don't think we we

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Speaker 1: we gave him his due in the actual episode because

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Speaker 1: he not only did like the sound design and all

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Speaker 1: the cool stuff, he like that song at the end.

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01:09:44,439 --> 01:09:48,519
Speaker 1: He like from scratch and that's so Tarantino, so cool,

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Speaker 1: and it even has the lyrics that like match the

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Speaker 1: theme of the episodes. It's great. You guys haven't listened

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Speaker 1: to that one, or if you skipped over it because

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01:09:54,520 --> 01:09:57,519
Speaker 1: you were like, this is weird, it's trust me, it's fun.

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01:09:57,640 --> 01:10:01,160
Speaker 1: At least at my was shot up things a lot

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Speaker 1: of fun. My only regret is that we we didn't

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Speaker 1: get to hear inside the episode how Tristan really feels

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01:10:07,360 --> 01:10:10,880
Speaker 1: about you, Ben, because we got it on an audio. Okay,

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Speaker 1: I guess we can play the outtake. Thanks Uncle Roy,

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01:10:14,800 --> 01:10:20,880
Speaker 1: back to work, then love you that's a real got

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01:10:21,080 --> 01:10:23,040
Speaker 1: do that. But we have that that that clip is

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01:10:23,040 --> 01:10:28,240
Speaker 1: too good. I love you too, so so we have rewrites.

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Speaker 1: Thanks so, thank you so much. We uh, we really

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01:10:32,720 --> 01:10:34,800
Speaker 1: enjoyed doing this sort of stuff and it's it's a

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Speaker 1: treat for us as well. It does take a little

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Speaker 1: bit more time, a lot of time in post production

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Speaker 1: to make it sound good. So you're lucky enough to

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01:10:42,880 --> 01:10:45,519
Speaker 1: have a cool crew that was into, you know, doing it,

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Speaker 1: and you surprised us with that. I don't know if

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Speaker 1: we mentioned that either you like had written this thing

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Speaker 1: and surprised us with a fancy table read and all

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Speaker 1: this stuff, and it came out really great and I'm

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Speaker 1: pretty excited. Well, here's here's the next time it. Stay

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01:10:57,400 --> 01:11:04,919
Speaker 1: tuned for all Hallow's Eve apps. Excuse me, okay, okay.

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Speaker 1: The next shout out is from Paul says, good day, gentlemen.

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Speaker 1: I hope you are all well. I've been an avid

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01:11:10,920 --> 01:11:13,080
Speaker 1: listener for several years now and have really enjoyed listening

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01:11:13,120 --> 01:11:15,760
Speaker 1: to your interviews and analysis. I don't usually this is

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Speaker 1: me Noel talking. I don't usually read the accolades here,

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Speaker 1: but I want to read it so because it sets

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Speaker 1: up what's to come. Um. I can't speak highly enough

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01:11:22,760 --> 01:11:26,439
Speaker 1: of your podcast. I was therefore not very impressed with

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01:11:26,479 --> 01:11:30,000
Speaker 1: your recent podcast on Bigfoot. I've been a Bigfoot fansince

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Speaker 1: as long as I can remember, so I couldn't wait

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Speaker 1: to hear the podcast on the train on the way

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01:11:33,200 --> 01:11:36,240
Speaker 1: to work last week. I was therefore expecting some groundbreaking

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01:11:36,240 --> 01:11:40,800
Speaker 1: news videos still pictures, but alas, absolutely nothing. I'm gonna

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01:11:40,840 --> 01:11:43,599
Speaker 1: skip some of this, uh this stomping on our big

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01:11:43,640 --> 01:11:45,040
Speaker 1: Foot episode, just to get to the part that I

1143
01:11:45,040 --> 01:11:49,080
Speaker 1: thought was actually interesting. I think this Holy email is interesting.

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01:11:49,120 --> 01:11:51,280
Speaker 1: I understand it is a little bit longer. Uh, And

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01:11:51,360 --> 01:11:53,280
Speaker 1: I do want to point out that I love that

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01:11:53,400 --> 01:11:56,080
Speaker 1: you said stomping on our big Foot, episode of stomping

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01:11:56,080 --> 01:11:58,599
Speaker 1: on our big So I'm gonna get to the part

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01:11:58,640 --> 01:12:01,080
Speaker 1: that I thought was most interesting sing but at last

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01:12:01,120 --> 01:12:04,320
Speaker 1: absolutely nothing. Then there was the issue of population. I

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01:12:04,360 --> 01:12:07,479
Speaker 1: believe the figure quoted was thirty thousand. But then later

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01:12:07,880 --> 01:12:11,000
Speaker 1: David Bakara, our guest, went on to say that they

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01:12:11,000 --> 01:12:14,360
Speaker 1: were from another dimension. They can't be flesh and blood

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01:12:14,360 --> 01:12:17,360
Speaker 1: in one sentence and then invisible interdimensional in the next.

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01:12:17,640 --> 01:12:21,080
Speaker 1: It's too confusing. I could be swayed one way or

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01:12:21,160 --> 01:12:23,840
Speaker 1: the other, but both. I could go on ranting and

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01:12:23,840 --> 01:12:27,200
Speaker 1: pointing out in consistencies, but I'll stop here. Um. And

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01:12:27,240 --> 01:12:30,439
Speaker 1: then he says, nothing against you, guys, but you need

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01:12:30,479 --> 01:12:33,439
Speaker 1: to ask your guests some tougher questions. Otherwise, if we

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01:12:33,479 --> 01:12:36,960
Speaker 1: follow David Bakar's logic, we can blame everything Jfkin, eleven,

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01:12:37,040 --> 01:12:40,599
Speaker 1: ufom On, Santa, New World Order, etcetera. On the magical elves.

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Speaker 1: Keep up the good work and ask the hard questions.

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01:12:43,360 --> 01:12:45,160
Speaker 1: You never know you might end up with an exclusive

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01:12:45,160 --> 01:12:48,000
Speaker 1: piece of evidence as opposed to blaming fairy folk. Best

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Speaker 1: regards Paul, I appreciate that. Yeah, I mean, you know,

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Speaker 1: it was it was just harsh but fair um to.

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Speaker 1: In our defense, the fairy stuff in the interdimensionals of

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01:13:00,520 --> 01:13:02,400
Speaker 1: was sort of a thought experiment, and it was kind

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Speaker 1: of like the way we approached it as far as

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Speaker 1: I the way I approached it was, that's an interesting

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01:13:08,160 --> 01:13:12,400
Speaker 1: thing to think about. Why are they so elusive? Perhaps,

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01:13:12,400 --> 01:13:15,320
Speaker 1: and there's a lot of accounts of them shimmering out

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Speaker 1: and you know, doing these kind of like predator invisibility

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01:13:19,880 --> 01:13:22,759
Speaker 1: kind of stuff. Right. I don't know, I never really

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01:13:22,840 --> 01:13:24,400
Speaker 1: said that I was fully on board with it, but

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01:13:24,439 --> 01:13:26,920
Speaker 1: I enjoyed talking about this stuff, even if it's not

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01:13:27,000 --> 01:13:30,960
Speaker 1: like the most obvious solution. So that's what an interview

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Speaker 1: is a lot of times, it's kind of just going

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Speaker 1: down rabbit holes with people. And I felt like we

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01:13:35,520 --> 01:13:38,600
Speaker 1: asked good questions and that we you know, went explored

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Speaker 1: various aspects of the Bigfoot phenomenon. Well, it's weird that

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01:13:42,400 --> 01:13:45,200
Speaker 1: interview we were going, we're going right up against one

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Speaker 1: of the tenants of our show, which is not to

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01:13:46,760 --> 01:13:50,680
Speaker 1: tell anybody what to believe, right, And if we're going

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01:13:50,720 --> 01:13:54,760
Speaker 1: to go right right ahead and say, hey, we don't

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Speaker 1: believe you, David, or we don't believe this. I think

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01:13:57,760 --> 01:14:00,559
Speaker 1: that's doing a disservice to uh, every are you're listening.

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Speaker 1: So I do remember I felt we would be remiss

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Speaker 1: if we didn't say, all right, if there's a creature

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Speaker 1: this large, why aren't there any bodies? Why isn't there

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Speaker 1: any fecal matter? You know, guerrillas other large primates often

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01:14:14,439 --> 01:14:18,400
Speaker 1: build nest where the where are where the h double

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Speaker 1: hockey sticks are those? And that was part of the

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Speaker 1: question and prompted that prompted this proposition of as some

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Speaker 1: sort of extra dimensional entity, which is just not not

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01:14:33,000 --> 01:14:35,680
Speaker 1: doing it for me. There's not even there's not a

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Speaker 1: shred of corroborating evidence. But um, but I will point

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Speaker 1: out also that our the person we interviewed, David bick Era,

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Speaker 1: I believe, if I recall correctly, at some point he

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Speaker 1: said he didn't want people to find Bigfoot. That's what

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Speaker 1: he said. Isn't that the thing that he mentioned? So

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Speaker 1: he has some he he does have some. Uh. I

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Speaker 1: appreciate you pointing this out, poll because I clocked it too.

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Speaker 1: He does have some seemingly self contradicting theories about the

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01:15:04,760 --> 01:15:08,320
Speaker 1: quick and I think he's just going through and considering

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01:15:08,360 --> 01:15:11,080
Speaker 1: each of them out loud. But you know what, if

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Speaker 1: it turns out the Bigfoot is some sort of extra

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Speaker 1: dimensional entity, I will um, I will apologize publicly. I

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01:15:20,640 --> 01:15:24,519
Speaker 1: will eat a hat. Um, I will wear a stupid

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Speaker 1: costume for a year in this dimension or the next.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's the least I can do. I'd rather

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Speaker 1: be uh. I'd rather learn the truth than feel like

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01:15:33,439 --> 01:15:36,640
Speaker 1: I am always right, you know what I mean. But

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Speaker 1: I will be really surprised and just give you really

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Speaker 1: surprised um. And if you guys have not checked out

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01:15:42,760 --> 01:15:46,600
Speaker 1: that interview yet, please do give it a listen. We

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01:15:46,600 --> 01:15:49,040
Speaker 1: we we found some really cool stuff and the guy

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Speaker 1: has an encyclopediac knowledge of h Bigfoot encounter stories. You know.

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Speaker 1: All right, we have one more shout out today. It

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Speaker 1: is from Camilla. Camilla says, Hey, guys, I'm a little

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Speaker 1: late to this, but I just discovert your podcast. So

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Speaker 1: I've been listening to a lot of past episodes at work,

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Speaker 1: but I think I have a good explanation for what

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Speaker 1: a kitten whisper is from my own personal experience with kittens. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: who shows this wasn't that in our drug episode or

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Speaker 1: something or weird. Wasn't that like a slang for copping

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Speaker 1: some kind of drug? We went It was a list,

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Speaker 1: It was a huge list, and at the end kitten

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Speaker 1: whisper was there. We decided that was our favorite because

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Speaker 1: when I first saw this email, I was like, does

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Speaker 1: she mean kitten whisperer? Yeah? No, no, no, no, no,

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Speaker 1: kitten whisper whisper. So I'm sorry, Ben carry so well.

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Speaker 1: Thank you to deep cut. That is thank you. Tho's

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Speaker 1: deeper than I had. I wasn't sure what a kitten

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Speaker 1: whisper was as we were reading this, so Camilla is

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Speaker 1: helping us out. She says, I think I have a

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01:16:50,600 --> 01:16:53,040
Speaker 1: good explanation for what a kitten whisper is from my

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01:16:53,080 --> 01:16:55,799
Speaker 1: own personal experience with kittens. I think a kitten whispers

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Speaker 1: when they sniff your ear and you can hear the

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01:16:57,640 --> 01:17:03,759
Speaker 1: little adorable sniffles. Thanks for key be me entertained at work. Okay, okay,

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01:17:03,840 --> 01:17:06,439
Speaker 1: so maybe not a drug. Yeah, maybe it's just the

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01:17:06,439 --> 01:17:11,519
Speaker 1: little sniffles or maybe it's opium. Okay, So thank you

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Speaker 1: so much, Camilla, Paul, and Matt. This concludes our if

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Speaker 1: you want to be like and that's the end. Of

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01:17:20,200 --> 01:17:24,080
Speaker 1: this classic episode. If you have any thoughts or questions

1245
01:17:24,280 --> 01:17:27,559
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1247
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