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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. We all look forward to vacation,

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Speaker 1: whether it be seeing America first like we do in

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Speaker 1: sounds like so much fun, but I can't tell you

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Speaker 1: how many cases I have investigated, prosecuted, and researched where

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Speaker 1: vacation turns into a nightmare. You know, when I started

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Speaker 1: working on our new book, Don't Be a Victim, fighting

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Speaker 1: back against America's crime Wave, I could not ignore the

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Speaker 1: people I've met along the way whose loved ones suffered

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Speaker 1: or even died while on vacation. So how do you

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Speaker 1: travel safely? This book proceeds going to National Center for

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Speaker 1: Missigan Exploited Children. It's not to scare you. This book

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Speaker 1: is to empower you, to help you, to give you

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Speaker 1: knowledge as to how you don't have to be a victim.

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Speaker 1: Joining me right now and all Star panel to break

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Speaker 1: it down and put it back together. First of all,

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Speaker 1: Joining me, Beth Twitty, the mother of Natalie Holloway, Bill Connor,

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Speaker 1: the father of Abbey Connor. Jim Elliott, lawyer with Butler

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Speaker 1: Snow Legal Counsel. You can find him at Butler Snow

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Speaker 1: dot com. Karen Stark, renowned psychologists, joining us out of

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Speaker 1: Manhattan at Karen Stark dot com. That's Karen with the See.

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Speaker 1: Steve Lampley, detective, author of twelve and Murdered on Amazon

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Speaker 1: at Stephen Lampley dot com. Joseph Scott Morgan, Professor Forensics,

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Speaker 1: Jacksonville State University, author of Blood Beneath My Feet and

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Speaker 1: start of Poisons Liaisons on True Crime Network. Ray Kipudo

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Speaker 1: joining us lead anchor for a WDBO. It's amazing to

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Speaker 1: I want to go to Miss Beth Holloway. We all

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Speaker 1: out to Beth. Beth Holloway, thank you so much for

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Speaker 1: you need to be hyper vigilant. You need to know

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Speaker 1: where you are. You need to look around you. You

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Speaker 1: need to really understand while you're on your trip and

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Speaker 1: having a great time, what's this, Where is it safe

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Speaker 1: to be and where is this dangerous? So you could

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Speaker 1: never let your guard down. Crime stories with Nancy Grace,

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Speaker 1: the dangers while traveling, that's what we're talking about. And

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Speaker 1: I'm not giving you these true examples to instill fear.

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Speaker 1: This book is all about fighting back. You take back

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Speaker 1: the power. Don't let them have the power over you

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Speaker 1: and your children. You don't have to do that. A

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Speaker 1: beautiful young Alaskan barista, Samantha Koenig, was abducted out of

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Speaker 1: her coffee stand in the middle of a parking lot,

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Speaker 1: right at a red light. The case seemingly went cold

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Speaker 1: until a ransom note was sent with a picture of Samantha.

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Speaker 1: She looked alive, but her dad said no. She would

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Speaker 1: never wear her hair in braids, so the dad noticed that.

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Speaker 1: Later we learn that this teen girl, Samantha Konug, was

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Speaker 1: abducted at gunpoint, driven to a remote location, raped, beaten,

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Speaker 1: sodomized for days on end. The Israel Keys would turn

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Speaker 1: up the music so people living nearby, including his girlfriend

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Speaker 1: and their daughter, would not hear Samantha screaming. And in

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Speaker 1: that picture, Samantha was already dead, but the Israel Keys

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Speaker 1: had sewn her eyes open, covered her face with thick makeup,

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Speaker 1: and blurred the picture when he asked for ransom. When

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Speaker 1: he was finally caught, the serial killer Israel Keys, I

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Speaker 1: want you to take a listen to Israel Key. It's

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Speaker 1: a serial killer in his own words during an FBI interrogation,

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Speaker 1: when it was smart, I would let them come to

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Speaker 1: me this remote area kind of kind of love to

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Speaker 1: a remote area that's not anywhere near where you live.

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Speaker 1: Hope other people go into as well. You might not

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Speaker 1: get exactly what you're not a national choose from in

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Speaker 1: a matter of speaking. But there's also no wis there's

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Speaker 1: really interational deals around at first far back, because I

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Speaker 1: can remember, but you know that's where you get a

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Speaker 1: lot of the ideas either fishing or out hunting, see

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Speaker 1: somebody in the woods. What Israel Keys admitted to is

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Speaker 1: to praying his victims like a hunter, going to campgrounds

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Speaker 1: and RV park's, remote areas where people would be in

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Speaker 1: a compromised situation. To Ray Kaputo joining me, lead anchor

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Speaker 1: w DBO there in Orlando, what can you tell me

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Speaker 1: about the killer Israel Keys? How many people do we

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Speaker 1: think he's actually killed? It's up around thirty, I believe,

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Speaker 1: and the stalking at locations. What do we know about him? Well,

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Speaker 1: he came from a Mormon family. He deconverted from the

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Speaker 1: faith of you know, when he was young. He's moved around,

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Speaker 1: you know, he had a religious background, even served in

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Speaker 1: the military. He admitted to killing people in Washington, killing

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Speaker 1: people in New York State. I mean, the guy has

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Speaker 1: just got a dark soul, Nancy. I don't know what

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Speaker 1: happened to him when I think about him. Straight out

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Speaker 1: to you. Joseph Scott Morgan, Professor forensics, death investigator, he's

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Speaker 1: like a hunter hunting for his prey and he hu

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Speaker 1: and campgrounds and RV parks were remote areas. That's from

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Speaker 1: his own admission, his own confession, Joe Scott. Yeah, that's

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Speaker 1: what he feels comfortable with, Nancy. These guys are predators

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Speaker 1: and they hunt in a specific area. They're not going

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Speaker 1: to go to like a densely populated urban area. They want.

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Speaker 1: They queue in on certain things, people that are alone,

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Speaker 1: people that have their guard down, people that have small children,

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Speaker 1: are young women, it doesn't matter, but it's going to

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Speaker 1: focus within their skill set are that that they've developed.

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Speaker 1: And it's very, very gruesome. While we have been out

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Speaker 1: camping and rving across the country, we just went all

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Speaker 1: the way from the East coast, all the way out

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Speaker 1: to Yellowstone the t Tns, Montana and back in an RV.

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Speaker 1: I learned a lot, for example, and in our book,

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Speaker 1: don't be a victim fighting back against America's crime way.

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Speaker 1: There are chips for you, whether you're traveling within the US,

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Speaker 1: camping rving, going to Mexico, going abroad, hotel safety, peephole safety,

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Speaker 1: there are a million things here for you to protect

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Speaker 1: you so you do not become a victim. Speaking of

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Speaker 1: RV and camping, be prepared, of course, don't leave home

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Speaker 1: without knowing your route where you're staying. I lined up

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Speaker 1: our RV campsites in advance to make sure that there

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Speaker 1: was a spot and we wouldn't be stranded out in

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Speaker 1: the Walmart parking lot. Might as well take out a

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Speaker 1: sign of billboard on Third Avenue saying hey, I'm alone,

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Speaker 1: victimize me. Use reliable and up to date maps. And

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Speaker 1: don't count on your GPS when you're camping in rving,

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Speaker 1: because it failed on us more often than not when

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Speaker 1: we were up in the mountains crossing the bad lands.

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Speaker 1: Get familiar with new equipment before you go. Don't be

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Speaker 1: out in the middle of the night trying to pitch

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Speaker 1: a tent like I have done, or trying to hook

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Speaker 1: up your RV in the dark. Don't do it. Don't

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Speaker 1: go that off the grid. Let people know where you are,

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Speaker 1: so when you don't call in in a day or two,

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Speaker 1: they know something is wrong. Always bring an emergency device.

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Speaker 1: Camp near a host or a family. If you can,

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Speaker 1: bring your dog, even if he's like a little docks

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Speaker 1: like our dogs. Keep your cell phone with you and charge.

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Speaker 1: Know how to single signal s O S. My children know,

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Speaker 1: and they're just twelve. Never ever let a stranger onto

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Speaker 1: your campsite or your RV, much less in your tent.

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Speaker 1: Some r vs carry stun guns in the glove compartment.

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Speaker 1: Don't flash money, keep everything charged. Also, get a cell

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Speaker 1: plan that travels with you from state to state, country

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Speaker 1: to country. I mean, I go on and on. There's

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Speaker 1: so many tips and things to know. We have incorporated

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Speaker 1: them and they're part of the way we travel. You know,

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Speaker 1: I don't know about you, but Karen start what I

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Speaker 1: hear these stories. I get so upset and I think

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Speaker 1: about how I can protect my children. We can never

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Speaker 1: totally one percent protect ourselves or our families, but we

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Speaker 1: can try. And just knowing that I'm trying gives me

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Speaker 1: a sense of that I'm not powerless, and I think

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Speaker 1: that's the most important point that you've made, Nancy, is

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Speaker 1: to fight back. Really, don't be a distant and fight back.

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Speaker 1: So you have children, and anyone who has children or

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Speaker 1: family members, you're always worried that something will happen. Be prepared,

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Speaker 1: and you know what else, Guys, Karen, I may not

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Speaker 1: be able to be you in a fistfight, but I

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Speaker 1: bet I can beat you up here, hands down, because

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Speaker 1: I will be prepared. You don't have to be a genius.

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Speaker 1: You just got to prepare, and you got to know

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Speaker 1: how to stay safe. Proceeds going to National Center Missing

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Speaker 1: Exploited Children. Don't be a victim. Fight back. Nancy Grace's

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Speaker 1: crime story, signing off, Goodbye friend,