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Speaker 1: Welcome to The Giants Huddle, a New York Giants podcast

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Speaker 1: hiding everybody. I'm Paula Tino, and welcome to a special

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Speaker 1: episode of the Giants Huddle podcast. Today we sit down

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Speaker 1: and talk to former Giants general manager Ernie A. Corsi

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Speaker 1: of Corsi scouted Eli Manning prior to the two thousand

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Speaker 1: four draft and he executed the draft day trade with

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Speaker 1: the San Diego Chargers that brought the quarterback to Big Blue.

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Speaker 1: in and Apple Podcasts. Now we welcome in former Giants

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Speaker 1: general manager Ernie A. Corsi. Ernie, obviously, it was your

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Speaker 1: mission to go get Eli Manning, and you did what

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Speaker 1: you had to do to get him. Do you think

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Speaker 1: in retrospect, is there anybody who could have said one

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Speaker 1: thing to deter you from making that move? Although obviously

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Speaker 1: we all know it worked out really well well. Well said, no,

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Speaker 1: I can't to you, I wouldn't have done it. Uh

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Speaker 1: you know, I I wasn't. I was always subject to

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Speaker 1: what the you know, if the owner approved. Of course,

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Speaker 1: Wellington never did. Um you know the one thing that

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Speaker 1: that I mean, it would have been something I would

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Speaker 1: have seen, might have changed my mind. But I didn't

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Speaker 1: have that much pressure because there wasn't you know, we

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Speaker 1: had Roethlisberger right rated right behind him. But people people think, well,

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Speaker 1: you had Rivers second because you picked him. No. I

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Speaker 1: I picked Rivers because that's who San Diego wanted. Uh

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Speaker 1: And I asked him that, but I could I could

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Speaker 1: not my legal rules, I could not draft a player

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Speaker 1: for a team. So I had to pick him and

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Speaker 1: then hold my breath that he live up to the

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Speaker 1: deal because the leagu wouldn't accept the trade until after

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Speaker 1: I drafted Rivers. But I felt very strongly and so

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Speaker 1: that all of us about Roethlisberger. So listen, I was

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Speaker 1: no guarantee the Roethlisberger was gonna be there for I mean,

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Speaker 1: we had to get by Open pick Gallery who was

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Speaker 1: a guard, Cardinals pick Fitzgerald. So very possibly one of

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Speaker 1: those two teams could have picked Roethlisberger. That I don't

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Speaker 1: know what I would have done, But so I didn't

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Speaker 1: just was something about Eli that to me was a tiebreaker,

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Speaker 1: and we all felt that way. Uh So, really, as

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Speaker 1: far as the football people there after, I had reached

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Speaker 1: I remember at his pro day, which was fantastic, so

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Speaker 1: was Roethlisberger's. It was in the New Orleans, UH facility indoor.

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Speaker 1: Tom Coughlin, God bless him. He you know, he's the

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Speaker 1: this throw and this throw he's had on this throw.

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Speaker 1: So I walked up to him and I looked at

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Speaker 1: all these notes he's got, and he started going over there.

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Speaker 1: I said, Tom, that's that's great. We're drafting him. Okay.

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Speaker 1: So I turned around and went to the back because

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Speaker 1: I had seen enough. I had seen him in two

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Speaker 1: it was that last game against Dallas to come from behind,

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Speaker 1: dramatic victory in his rookie season of two thousand and four.

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Speaker 1: That was kind of the the hurdle that he cleared

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Speaker 1: to get to that next level of quarterback. At what

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Speaker 1: was going to live up to the full potential that

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Speaker 1: But I don't think I'm any different than anybody else.

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Speaker 1: And personnel who makes a decision, we never we never

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Speaker 1: get in. I mean, for example, uh, when we made

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Speaker 1: And to this day, I think the guy we picked fourth,

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Speaker 1: As I said, I came into the league with Johnny Unitas,

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Speaker 1: so that's set a standard for me. And in my opinion,

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Speaker 1: had a doctor's degree. And I'm looking at United now.

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Speaker 1: I understand United's had a great year in sixty seven.

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Speaker 1: I'm at Penn State nine, so I haven't seen him live.

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Speaker 1: So that's how I judge a quarterback. And for me,

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Speaker 1: does he have to be defined by those Super Bowls?

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Speaker 1: For you? But he'll be defined by those Super Bowls.

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Speaker 1: But to me, they worked. The two greatest games. The

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Speaker 1: Dan Reeves had fingers that he never got feelings in

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Speaker 1: after the Ice Bowl. Those things are permanent if you

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Speaker 1: And Vic Fangio is a friend of mine, was a

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Speaker 1: think the final landmark game of his career that I

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Speaker 1: The emotion in the building, him walking off to the

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Speaker 1: it's one of the landmark Giants moments of recent history

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Speaker 1: former Giants general manager Ernie A. Corsi. I want to

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