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Speaker 1: Were with Nick Eatman, David Hellman, and bar Garcia and
Speaker 1: Derek Eagleton. It is Sunday, August first, two, twenty one,
Speaker 1: Season seventeen, episode number six. Welcome to the latest edition
Speaker 1: of The Break. We live from Oxnard, California. It is
Speaker 1: day eleven of training Camp twenty twenty one, presented by
Speaker 1: American Airlines. Got David Nick with me and we got
Speaker 1: forty five minutes of Cowboys Talk here with you guys today.
Speaker 1: The schedule for the day, we got the show here
Speaker 1: at nine. At ten am, we've got coach McCarthy. He
Speaker 1: will have his daily presser, and at eleven o'clock the
Speaker 1: team will take the fill for their practice for today
Speaker 1: it will be I guess the next The next practice
Speaker 1: it will have will be on Tuesday. And this is
Speaker 1: the week that starts to get a little bit wonky
Speaker 1: because games start this week. Cowboys will be traveling to Canton,
Speaker 1: Ohio to take on the Pittsburgh Steelers in the Hall
Speaker 1: of Fame Game, and don't expect to see a lot
Speaker 1: of starters. I don't think for either team in my opinion,
Speaker 1: But we'll see how it goes. It'll be good for
Speaker 1: some of those younger guys, second third team guys to
Speaker 1: get in there. We'll talk a little bit more about
Speaker 1: that on our Tuesday show by some of the things
Speaker 1: you guys may be looking for. But seven practices are done,
Speaker 1: You've got six more to go, and let's start first
Speaker 1: by giving an injury update, Dave, why don't you tell me,
Speaker 1: looking at this team, what are some of the injuries
Speaker 1: we got? Tyren Smith, Jordan Lewis, Kelvin Joseph, tell me
Speaker 1: where they are. Some came back to practice, some are
Speaker 1: still not practicing fully. Where are we? Yeah, It's it's
Speaker 1: tricky because at this time of the year, at this
Speaker 1: point at camp, like guys are sitting out for all
Speaker 1: kinds of reasons, some not most really not necessarily serious.
Speaker 1: You know, Tyron has been out quote unquote for two
Speaker 1: days with elbow tendonitis, but he was out there in
Speaker 1: full pads and did the compete period reps and did
Speaker 1: some individual stuff, so you know, has he heard or
Speaker 1: is he Tyrn Smith and they just don't want to
Speaker 1: overwork him. The same thing goes for Zach Martin. You know,
Speaker 1: somebody on the fence line yesterday was like, Dave, Dave,
Speaker 1: what's what's wrong with Zach? He's missed two days? Is
Speaker 1: he okay? And I was like, he's getting in the
Speaker 1: huddle right now, He's fine. Um, I didn't know you
Speaker 1: were giving people personal injury reports. Yes, absolutely, no, Come
Speaker 1: find me in Oxnard and I'll let you know. Um,
Speaker 1: Jordan Lewis mixed back in yesterday, Kelvin Joseph mixed back
Speaker 1: in yesterday. I haven't seen Bradley and I return. Um,
Speaker 1: I forgetting anybody big, Nick, that's that's well, I mean,
Speaker 1: and I for sure, I mean that's no. Josh Ball
Speaker 1: did leave practice. McCarthy will probably update that today. But like,
Speaker 1: I don't get the impression that it's something crazy severe,
Speaker 1: And that really goes for almost all of these. Like
Speaker 1: somebody like Bradley and I needs to get on the
Speaker 1: field because he needs to be making an impression and
Speaker 1: be available for preseason games. But buying large, these are
Speaker 1: all just more knocks and bumps than serious injuries. All right,
Speaker 1: let's let's get some of our observations. Rolling Nick, give
Speaker 1: me an observation from yesterday's practice. Well, I mean, I
Speaker 1: thought that the quarterbacks responded a little bit better yesterday.
Speaker 1: I thought, I thought, you know, from now now we
Speaker 1: kind of get an idea. Okay, you know that's that's
Speaker 1: not throwing for a couple of days, and who knows
Speaker 1: how far that extends into. But I thought Garret Gilbert
Speaker 1: settled down a little bit. I thought Cooper Rush had
Speaker 1: his best practice, if you will. I mean, I think
Speaker 1: he's kind of the forgotten guy in this whole roadation,
Speaker 1: but you know he's he's actually been a backup to
Speaker 1: Dak Prescott for a few years and it kind of
Speaker 1: understands their quarterback room and a relationship with him. So
Speaker 1: I you know, I thought that all the quarterbacks responded
Speaker 1: and had a better day. They did, But that's the
Speaker 1: fun thing about training camp is you don't the play
Speaker 1: doesn't end when you get sacked, you know. And I
Speaker 1: thought I thought the defensive line was impressive yesterday. You know,
Speaker 1: Tyron Smith didn't do a ton. Zach Martin was mixing
Speaker 1: in and out didn't do a ton. Connor McGovern's getting reps.
Speaker 1: Connor Williams is playing center and guard Tyler Beotis is
Speaker 1: running with the ones but also letting Connor Williams do it.
Speaker 1: And I thought, you know, Randy Gregory was teeing off
Speaker 1: on people, Dorian's Armstrong was teeing off on people. Ohso,
Speaker 1: Diggi Zooa had a couple really impressive reps, as did
Speaker 1: Quentin Bohanna. I believe like it just seemed like they
Speaker 1: were getting to the quarterback and the quarterbacks were they
Speaker 1: were making really like Cooper Rush made an amazing throw yesterday,
Speaker 1: But how many of those rep up came after they
Speaker 1: would have been sacked in a live situation. And that's
Speaker 1: the thing, you know with Gilbert Cooper rush them and
Speaker 1: then they they're not the most agile quarterbacks. Dak obviously
Speaker 1: is and it's very strong. One thing I hate it
Speaker 1: really annoys me is when defensive players, especially on the
Speaker 1: pass rush, get off the line and whatever it touched
Speaker 1: the quarterbacks waste and then they're like, well we've seen
Speaker 1: guys for years. I mean, I've seen If that's the case,
Speaker 1: then d law would have thirty six. I mean like
Speaker 1: they in a season embodies are Ecuba and I mean
Speaker 1: be in the Ring of Honor for sure, But like
Speaker 1: that doesn't have it, doesn't you know? They move up
Speaker 1: in the and so I get it. For defensive guy,
Speaker 1: it's like, well, what do you want me to do?
Speaker 1: You mean, I mean you mean hit the guy in
Speaker 1: this red jersey. I love that. So there's this fine line.
Speaker 1: But a lot of time we see these defensive guys
Speaker 1: are like sack it would have made the player. That's
Speaker 1: a good point. I mean, corner comes up to ze
Speaker 1: because like I got you, you know, he probably would
Speaker 1: have trucked you getting there. Getting there doesn't mean that
Speaker 1: you necessarily want the rep. But they were getting there.
Speaker 1: They were getting there. It stops the drill, or at
Speaker 1: least it halts the drill a little bit. And we
Speaker 1: have also talked about the fact that precious can be
Speaker 1: just as important as sacks in a lot of instances,
Speaker 1: and so that would be in that instance. Pressure. Talk
Speaker 1: to me a little bit about the offensive line, because
Speaker 1: Dave you mentioned you mentioned that you know, you got
Speaker 1: all these guys on the offensive line that are kind
Speaker 1: of moving in and out, some getting reps with certain
Speaker 1: teams and that kind of thing. One thing we've heard
Speaker 1: from coaches over as long as I've been covering the
Speaker 1: Cowboys is you know, you kind of want to find
Speaker 1: that continuity with your offensive line, and you want those
Speaker 1: guys to work together that first unit. You want them
Speaker 1: to work together as much as possible to create that continuity.
Speaker 1: But what we're seeing in this camp flies in the
Speaker 1: face of that a bit because they're moving guys around,
Speaker 1: They're trying to get a little help, and I think
Speaker 1: there's some value in that and seeing like can this
Speaker 1: guy play at this position with the ones or whatever?
Speaker 1: Talk to me about how you how you rectify that
Speaker 1: in your mind of continuity versus trying to give guys
Speaker 1: opportunities to see what they can do with in different positions.
Speaker 1: I asked McCarthy that the other day, and I don't
Speaker 1: he didn't. I don't. I didn't feel like he gave
Speaker 1: me a very good answer because I don't even remember
Speaker 1: what he said, so it couldn't have been that memorable.
Speaker 1: But I'm I'm with you, like and you you want
Speaker 1: to be trying as many combinations and seeing what works
Speaker 1: and who can play and who can't. But like it's
Speaker 1: important to have you know, offense and defense, Like they
Speaker 1: didn't play together all at most unless which I wonder
Speaker 1: if maybe they're scarred by what happened last year, Like
Speaker 1: let's get as many guys as reps as possible in
Speaker 1: case this happens again. But um, I agree, I agree,
Speaker 1: Like you know, continuity is important. Knowing the tendencies and
Speaker 1: the you know, the particulars of the guy next to
Speaker 1: you is important. Um. And they've been mixing and matching
Speaker 1: a lot, even by training camp standards this year. But
Speaker 1: I will see, you know, it's still you know, I
Speaker 1: guess we're into the second week now, but like they
Speaker 1: haven't played a preseason game. I feel like the first
Speaker 1: ten to twelve days of training camp is you know,
Speaker 1: I mean, they's actually they're not done installing, Like today's
Speaker 1: the final install and I feel like you'll probably the
Speaker 1: further and further we go, especially like when we get
Speaker 1: back to Frisco. That's when you kind of settle in
Speaker 1: and you're like, all right, these are the guys that
Speaker 1: we're counting on. Whereas right now, I think you got
Speaker 1: a little more freedom to experiment. That's there every position
Speaker 1: right now, you could see there. I don't think there
Speaker 1: is a position on the field where you don't see
Speaker 1: guys working with the first team that are probably going
Speaker 1: to be on the first team. They've got things all
Speaker 1: over the place at every position, right, Yeah, And that's
Speaker 1: a good thing to do because I mean that's what
Speaker 1: happens in the season, like like we saw last year,
Speaker 1: and so, you know, offensive line, I think it's the
Speaker 1: one group where you do want that continuity. Other than that,
Speaker 1: I think, you know, Gifford has to go in there
Speaker 1: and play and play next to late vander esh or
Speaker 1: play next to Jaylen. I mean, d line, I'm the
Speaker 1: same thing. You never know what happens, and that's a
Speaker 1: great way to evaluate a young corner Reggie Robinson or
Speaker 1: somebody all of a sudden is running with some ones.
Speaker 1: It's like he doesn't look that much different than the
Speaker 1: other guys, or he looks way different, you know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean it's most important on the offensive line, but
Speaker 1: I will think you want guys who know each other working.
Speaker 1: You know, you want your safety to kind of know
Speaker 1: his cornerback. You know, defensive lineman like knowing how to
Speaker 1: run twists and stunts and all of the fun games
Speaker 1: that they do and kind of feeling each other out.
Speaker 1: I think that's important. Which if they're still if they're
Speaker 1: still rotating this much when we get back to Frisco,
Speaker 1: I think that'll be weird. And I would even say
Speaker 1: I would be alarmed by that. But out here, whatever,
Speaker 1: unless they plan to get into the season and that's
Speaker 1: how they're going to play, they're gonna constantly be rotating guys,
Speaker 1: which again will be a different thing than we've seen.
Speaker 1: You've seen that in some positions, but not at all positions.
Speaker 1: If that's their planning, then you know, because I do
Speaker 1: get the impression at linebacker we might see that. We
Speaker 1: might see a lot of shuffling of guys in and out.
Speaker 1: And you know, my line all you know, three to
Speaker 1: play two at linebacker, But like this defense feels like
Speaker 1: it's gonna be fifteen to play eleven. You know, like
Speaker 1: there's gonna be yeah, And defense doesn't bother me as much,
Speaker 1: but like the offensive line in particular, you know, and
Speaker 1: I get it, Connor Williams needs reps if he's going
Speaker 1: to be the second stringth center. Spect Joe Looney is
Speaker 1: a New York Giant. Now, I guess we should bring
Speaker 1: that up. So we've been sitting here in we were joking.
Speaker 1: Kellen Moore like two days ago said Joe's not with
Speaker 1: us right now, and we were like, are you saying now?
Speaker 1: It might be all right now? So I guess that's
Speaker 1: not going to happen. So I get it. Guys need
Speaker 1: the reps, but but I would like to see a
Speaker 1: little more continuity as we get closer to the real stuff.
Speaker 1: All right, So talking about the quarterbacks, I want you
Speaker 1: guys to based upon what you've seen so far. Obviously
Speaker 1: we know Dak is the starter. Put him in order
Speaker 1: of the way you think they should be, not the
Speaker 1: way they are right now or the way you think.
Speaker 1: Coaches you then, based on what you've seen, how would
Speaker 1: you order though that second through fourth quarterback Nick Gilbert,
Speaker 1: Rush Denucci. That doesn't mean those are year three yep,
Speaker 1: Because if I think to keep on the I think
Speaker 1: Gilbert would be your number two. I think you cut
Speaker 1: the other two and I think the Nucci's the one
Speaker 1: I keep on the Yeah, I think I agree with
Speaker 1: I don't think I'm sorry to cold drop it. I
Speaker 1: just don't think that you know, if you had to
Speaker 1: play in a game, I would play Rush over Nucci.
Speaker 1: I think I agree with that, although like Rush looked
Speaker 1: good yesterday, but has he looked good any other days? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think it might be a little bit of recency bias.
Speaker 1: Was it also because maybe he's getting more reps now
Speaker 1: and he's working in Yeah for sure. And he had
Speaker 1: back tightness so he missed two days of practice. That
Speaker 1: might be why. But and like de Nucci doesn't look terrible,
Speaker 1: but it can be spotty. I mean for a lot
Speaker 1: of reasons, Like the play breaks down a lot when
Speaker 1: he's in there. There's some accuracy issues. He has trouble
Speaker 1: getting it over the defensive line sometimes if he is
Speaker 1: in the pocket. Um, so it's it's not awful, but
Speaker 1: I just it's very spotty. He's a scout team type
Speaker 1: of quarterback though, Yeah, that's why. I mean, he know,
Speaker 1: he's got a you know, I'm not saying he'll be hey,
Speaker 1: you're playing Arizona, you're Kyler Murray. I'm not saying he
Speaker 1: could do that, but there's not many on the team
Speaker 1: that can. But he gives you a little bit more
Speaker 1: of a mobility type guy. And I think it's easy
Speaker 1: for me to imagine Danucci being on the practice squad,
Speaker 1: Whereas I think if if Cooper gets cut at the
Speaker 1: end of this camp, I think that's probably it for
Speaker 1: his career, for his career here at least, I don't.
Speaker 1: I mean, he's been in the league since twenty seventeen,
Speaker 1: played like he's been in He's gotten into like two games,
Speaker 1: both of which were like well over with by the
Speaker 1: time he got in there. And the you know, his
Speaker 1: Jason Garrett, his coach who brought him in as an
Speaker 1: undrafted free agent and loves him, let him go from
Speaker 1: New York. Yeah, so I'm you know, I don't know,
Speaker 1: maybe not, but it's easier for me to imagine Jannucci
Speaker 1: being here than Cooper Rush. You know, when that waiver
Speaker 1: wire hit the first time that that, you know, a
Speaker 1: bunch of quarterbacks hit the waiver wire, it'll I mean,
Speaker 1: all of them are going to be evaluated against them, Garrett,
Speaker 1: Gilbert included. And the biggest thing there is just availability
Speaker 1: to learn the offense and play like, you know, do
Speaker 1: you want to get this guy? Is he better than Gilbert? Yeah,
Speaker 1: he might be, but he doesn't know this offense right now,
Speaker 1: and so I don't, you know, it'll be interesting to
Speaker 1: see what that happened that they've tried, They've tried to
Speaker 1: find guys they haven't yet. Lake Bortles would be here
Speaker 1: if anybody gave a damn about my opinion, but they don't.
Speaker 1: Over the last few days, have you seen anything since
Speaker 1: he's been running with the ones? Have you seen anything
Speaker 1: from Garrett Gilbert that gives you more confidence than you
Speaker 1: had maybe before camp begin that he let's assume that
Speaker 1: Dak is down for four games, that he could at
Speaker 1: least get you to a five hundred record in that time.
Speaker 1: That that Dack's out. I think my opinion of him
Speaker 1: is exactly the same, Yeah, which is like I don't
Speaker 1: feel great about it, but I don't feel awful, Like
Speaker 1: he doesn't gonna look lost out there. It's it's easy
Speaker 1: to forget because he's only started one NFL game, which
Speaker 1: was last year. We've been playing horrible in that game. No, No,
Speaker 1: he didn't know. But he's been playing pro football for
Speaker 1: a long time. I mean he left, he got out
Speaker 1: of college and like he was twenty he was on
Speaker 1: the Patriots Super Bowl team that beat the Seahawks. That's
Speaker 1: how long he's been playing pro football. And he was
Speaker 1: the he was like the MVP of the Alliance of
Speaker 1: American Football for however many weeks that lasted, Like he
Speaker 1: was great in that league and so, and he was
Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield's backup for a year, so he's he shouldn't
Speaker 1: be lost out there, and he definitely isn't, especially having
Speaker 1: had a year to get acclimated and understand the offense.
Speaker 1: So you know, he's not dicing the defense up by
Speaker 1: any means. But he doesn't look awful. So I feel
Speaker 1: the same. Yeah, I saw him yesterday in practice. There
Speaker 1: was a couple of throws I saw him make. I
Speaker 1: was like, oh wow. And then there was one play
Speaker 1: where I think it was Cedric Wilson was in the
Speaker 1: end zone and by himself and he just completely overthrew him. Oh.
Speaker 1: And those are the moments where just like, yeah, You're like,
Speaker 1: I want to give him the benefit. I want to
Speaker 1: say he's like, he'll be fine. And then you have
Speaker 1: those moments where you like, can't miss that kind of thrown. Right.
Speaker 1: He had a gay a game winner in the two minute,
Speaker 1: like last play of the game. They're down by six.
Speaker 1: He hits Cedric on a post for the game winning score,
Speaker 1: and I was all I was impressed. And kind of
Speaker 1: juiced up. And then I went back and looked at
Speaker 1: my phone video and Cedric was matched up on Micah Parsons, which, like,
Speaker 1: I mean, that's the defense's fault, but kind of a pita.
Speaker 1: It's been okay, he's been okay, but yeah, I mean, which, Hey,
Speaker 1: they got him into a bad matchup. Good for them,
Speaker 1: but it was kind of less impressive. When I realized,
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, yeah, well you should be able
Speaker 1: to find him if he's going against a linebacker. All right,
Speaker 1: we're gonna take our first break. When we come back,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna talk defense. We're gonna focus in on the defense.
Speaker 1: I went and identified four areas of defensive play that
Speaker 1: I think are most representative of good defenses. Those that
Speaker 1: do well in these categories tend to be good defenses
Speaker 1: and tend to be on good teams. And we're gonna
Speaker 1: talk about those and talk about where the Cowboys rank
Speaker 1: in those areas and where we think the Cowboys may
Speaker 1: be able to get better in some of these areas,
Speaker 1: or if they can get better in some of these
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Speaker 1: Cowboys dot com. Welcome back. It is the second segment
Speaker 1: of the Break Life from the Oxnard, California. We are
Speaker 1: talking about defense. Now We're gonna jump into this conversation
Speaker 1: on defense. What I want to do is there are
Speaker 1: four different areas that I've identified as the key indicators
Speaker 1: of good defense in the NFL. Let's start first with
Speaker 1: stopping the run. Run defense. Last year, the top five
Speaker 1: run defenses in the league, all of them won at
Speaker 1: least ten games. Dallas. You want, guys, want to guess
Speaker 1: where Dallas was ranked first thirty hundred and fifty eight
Speaker 1: point nine yards per game. Exactly. Question for you guys,
Speaker 1: how much of a problem was it for this team
Speaker 1: and what are they counting on this year in order
Speaker 1: that they will in order to be better than they
Speaker 1: were last year. It's fine, I mean, won six game,
Speaker 1: that's fine, but there are a lot of things that
Speaker 1: could be a part of that. But how much a
Speaker 1: problem was that in the context of all the other
Speaker 1: things that were going wrong. I mean, it's it's the
Speaker 1: Garrett says it. It's line one in anything, pro, college,
Speaker 1: high school, junior high stop the run or stop the run.
Speaker 1: That's the teams are gonna try to run the ball.
Speaker 1: And if you can't do it, then that means that
Speaker 1: you're not physically strong enough to handle it, you know,
Speaker 1: in the trenches, you know. I mean, it doesn't matter
Speaker 1: if you got these fast guys around the edge, they
Speaker 1: can get sacks if they can't hold up and block.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's how that's why a six A
Speaker 1: high school team is going to be to one A
Speaker 1: team every time. They got bigger guys up front and
Speaker 1: they're gonna dominate you on the line of scrimmage. And
Speaker 1: it's same with the NFL. It's a passing league. And
Speaker 1: you know, I love the analytics side of football, and
Speaker 1: throw it, throw it and early and often I get it.
Speaker 1: I'm I'm down with that. But we learned last year.
Speaker 1: If you can't stop the run, and everybody knows you
Speaker 1: can't stop the run, that's almost all that matters. Like
Speaker 1: you're so screwed. I mean, they were so bad. Two
Speaker 1: different three hundred yard rushing performances. I mean, we said
Speaker 1: it all last year, like high school defense has handled
Speaker 1: the fundamentals of stopping the run better than Dallas Cowboys
Speaker 1: did last year. That's not an exaggeration. And I mean
Speaker 1: you you you can't win. You cannot win if the
Speaker 1: other team just knows that they can run it down
Speaker 1: your throat whenever they want to. And I think they
Speaker 1: faced four of the top five backs in the league
Speaker 1: this year. This year man or Derrick Henry, you know,
Speaker 1: put him in there, and they got Kamara, they got
Speaker 1: se Quon twice, Dalvin Cook again. Kaffrey's not bad. Kaffrey's
Speaker 1: pretty damn good. Not bad, that's good. Hey, if it shoot,
Speaker 1: if the playoff version of Leonard Fournette shows up on
Speaker 1: number one, yeah, I mean that the way that they
Speaker 1: run the ball, you, I mean, it doesn't matter who
Speaker 1: it is. I mean, you know Jones as the other guy.
Speaker 1: They but they both of them, they're efficient enough that
Speaker 1: they're gonna run it. And you know, you gotta stop
Speaker 1: Clyde Clyde Edwards, Zhilaire. I mean you want to go
Speaker 1: through the whole thing, Hi, Yeah, Yeah, I don't know it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's your guy, it's your gay forever. But I mean
Speaker 1: like it, and I get My point is it's it's
Speaker 1: easy Raiders oh yeah, oh yeah, yeah. I didn't even
Speaker 1: think about him. But yeah, it's easy to overlook that
Speaker 1: because you know, most NFL teams are at least decent
Speaker 1: at it, you know, I mean, the Cowboys have never
Speaker 1: the Cowboys have not added any elite defense in the
Speaker 1: entire time that I've worked here. But more often than not,
Speaker 1: you're not going into the game like really, You're like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, they might be able to run the ball,
Speaker 1: but it's not gonna be crazy. I mean, last year,
Speaker 1: I've never seen anything like it. It was unbelievable. And
Speaker 1: so the bad part is you're not gonna have a
Speaker 1: winning record playing defense like that. But the good part
Speaker 1: is it shouldn't be that hard to improve from that.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's how bad it was, and that you know,
Speaker 1: you can see the blueprint in front of you. They
Speaker 1: bolstered the linebacker crew and the defensive line is enormous
Speaker 1: compared to what we've been used to. I mean, Rod
Speaker 1: Marinelli loved those Let think about the guys that played
Speaker 1: defensive line for this team over the last five years,
Speaker 1: like he loves the undersize three techniques. But you know Austin,
Speaker 1: you know, fun guy, underrated player maybe, but Antoine Woods
Speaker 1: was tiny by defensive lineman standards. That was not the
Speaker 1: case here. I wrote a note about it yesterday. I mean,
Speaker 1: Bohanna's six four three thirty, Brent Urban six seven three ten,
Speaker 1: Carlos Watkin is six four three ten something like. I mean,
Speaker 1: these guys are enormous and they're long too, and so
Speaker 1: putting that much beef in front of these linebackers and
Speaker 1: hoping that cleans them up to make more plays, I mean,
Speaker 1: it's it's pretty obvious what they're trying to do. Don't
Speaker 1: get all work. You think they'll be better stopped and
Speaker 1: run this year. It will work in the sense like
Speaker 1: they will be better they will not give up one
Speaker 1: hundred and sixty yards per game. I refuse to. But
Speaker 1: like dan Quinn's been doing this for too long, and
Speaker 1: I know his defenses haven't weren't amazing in Atlanta, But
Speaker 1: they're going back to something these guys are more familiar with,
Speaker 1: and I think they have a little bit more talent.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying they're gonna be top ten, but they
Speaker 1: have to be better. There's no way they can be worse. Definitely.
Speaker 1: I think the scheme will be there. I think they'll
Speaker 1: play more downhill, they'll put the linebackers will be closer.
Speaker 1: I think you got physical players, now you got physical safeties. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I do think that they're going to be a better
Speaker 1: run stopping team. And I think that's important when you
Speaker 1: look at the quarterbacks that they face this year, they
Speaker 1: face better running backs, and they face quarterbacks. And I
Speaker 1: know that they faced the top two in the league
Speaker 1: and the two and they're in the super Bowl. But
Speaker 1: after that there's a considerable drop off. You have quarterbacks
Speaker 1: that are good, they don't necessarily scare you all the time,
Speaker 1: not as much as the running backs. I think stopping
Speaker 1: the runs way more important. Yeah, you made that point
Speaker 1: to me the other day, and I was I had
Speaker 1: to take a second and think about it, because you do.
Speaker 1: You immediately think the top two quarterbacks in the league
Speaker 1: arguably that you got, you know, during this season, and
Speaker 1: you don't think about all the rest, and you're like, yeah,
Speaker 1: there are a lot of quarterbacks that are pretty good.
Speaker 1: There are a lot of quarterbacks that you even think
Speaker 1: are sending but don't face it at the top eight quarterback.
Speaker 1: And I say eight because even though ten is what
Speaker 1: people like to say, I think eight is if you
Speaker 1: ask people the top eight quarterbacks in the league, I
Speaker 1: think you wouldn't get a lot of different answers. I
Speaker 1: think after eight is where it starts to get a
Speaker 1: little different. And I don't they don't. They don't face
Speaker 1: any other top eight except for Brady and Mahomes, which
Speaker 1: is big, and they have a top eight, which so
Speaker 1: in all but two games you probably give the Cowboy quarterback.
Speaker 1: They face the top eight, And Dak is that you're saying,
Speaker 1: You're saying, yeah, yeah, so in fifteen of the seventeen
Speaker 1: there's you'll feel pretty confident that the Cowboys have the
Speaker 1: better quarterback. Yeah, da, Dave, that's pretty impressive. Dave and
Speaker 1: I were talking about that. You know, I think when
Speaker 1: you're ranking quarterbacks, I think there's four at the top
Speaker 1: because because we judge them by winning super Bowls, and
Speaker 1: four of them have won and they're playing at a
Speaker 1: high level. I don't judge Roethlisberger anymore like that. He's
Speaker 1: on the down slope, But you know, after after you know,
Speaker 1: Rogers Wilson Mahome and Brady and not in that order,
Speaker 1: but those four, and then you got another four guys
Speaker 1: that are just right there that are just if they
Speaker 1: have a big year that they jump into it. They
Speaker 1: get a little help from the teams. Yeah, Roger, I
Speaker 1: mean Dakh, Dak Jackson, Alan, Mark Jackson, Allen we don't
Speaker 1: know even what to do with, but yeah, but he
Speaker 1: should be in that list if he's playing, he's playing.
Speaker 1: And then and then it's then and then you got
Speaker 1: veteran guys Matt Ryan, which the Cowboys do face. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then you got those ascending guys like you don't
Speaker 1: know what's gonna happen with the guy, you know, with
Speaker 1: guys like Baker, with guys like Kyler Murray, with guys
Speaker 1: like you know, there's a lot those guys that are
Speaker 1: kind of right there on that cusp of of taking
Speaker 1: that next step. We'll see if they do it this year.
Speaker 1: But the thing about Kyler Murray, and then I think
Speaker 1: on our list when we ranked top ten quarterbacks on
Speaker 1: the schedule, you know they put we put Dak third
Speaker 1: because he's you know, obviously in the game. I think
Speaker 1: Murray was fourth. I have to go back and look
Speaker 1: justin Herbert might have. Herbert is another guy that could
Speaker 1: have a really great year. Yeah. But but the thing
Speaker 1: about Murray is that, I mean he dominated the Cowboys
Speaker 1: in that game because they couldn't stop him and get
Speaker 1: him on the ground. We had Murray for well, I
Speaker 1: don't who else. I don't mean, yeah, I mean we're
Speaker 1: getting off the Rams, right, But is Stafford on the
Speaker 1: schedule this year? The Rams aren't on the schedule this year, cousins,
Speaker 1: it wouldn't be. I would take I would take Murray
Speaker 1: over both of those guys. Williams over there, william or
Speaker 1: rank them. Oh busy, Now let's go into the next
Speaker 1: The next area on defense that I identified sacks. Uh
Speaker 1: Three of the top five in the NFL had ten
Speaker 1: wins or more. Dallas was tied for twentieth last year.
Speaker 1: How important of sacks for a defense to be successful. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And the reason for the pause is like we've gone
Speaker 1: you know, this is the argument we've used to defend
Speaker 1: Tank for two years. Is like, there's way more to
Speaker 1: it than whether or not you're getting him on the ground.
Speaker 1: Pressures are important, moving him off his spot, forcing bad throws.
Speaker 1: So you know, the pure number of sacks maybe doesn't
Speaker 1: define how good you are if you're getting there, but
Speaker 1: if you're top five six in the league in sackstra
Speaker 1: defense is probably pretty good. I mean, like, I don't
Speaker 1: I guess maybe I'm talking out on both sides of
Speaker 1: my mouth there, Like I think you can be good
Speaker 1: without him, but it's nice to have him. I guess, Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's the difference of getting into the red zone and
Speaker 1: getting a field goal or getting a touchdown. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's nice to be moving the ball. It's nice to
Speaker 1: be able to get pressure and do that, but at
Speaker 1: some point you need to actually get the guy on
Speaker 1: the ground. That gets them off the field. And a
Speaker 1: lot of times it causes a fumble as well, it
Speaker 1: pushes it back even more. Don't even it's fourth down.
Speaker 1: You know it's fourth and probably fourteen fifteen field position
Speaker 1: as well. You know it could be third and five
Speaker 1: and you and you rush to the quarterback, he throws
Speaker 1: it away, and it's fourth and five. You gets still
Speaker 1: worry about a fake putt and all that. You drop
Speaker 1: him for an eight yard loss and maybe he's hurt,
Speaker 1: maybe he fumbled. That pushes them back even more. I mean,
Speaker 1: so yeah, it's a. It's a big difference in in
Speaker 1: the play and it's just it's just a good play
Speaker 1: versus a great play. And I think that's what makes it.
Speaker 1: You have an elite team. You got to get to
Speaker 1: the quarterback? How many things? How many? How many they
Speaker 1: have last year? Did you look that up? I did,
Speaker 1: but I don't have it all. I'm sorry, Yeah, silly. Mean,
Speaker 1: here's another question though, but how how how much does
Speaker 1: Randy Gregory improve the pass rush Overalled and Smith? And
Speaker 1: in what ways? I saw you put that on there
Speaker 1: when you should send us the rundown? And like, can
Speaker 1: we answer that? Can we truly answer that? Like I
Speaker 1: love Randy and I'm so excited for what isn't But
Speaker 1: he said it yesterday. He was like a lot of
Speaker 1: people are talking about how awesome I am, and I
Speaker 1: don't feel like I've proved a whole lot. And as
Speaker 1: much as I'm rooting for him, he's kind of right.
Speaker 1: I mean, he's had he's had like one season that yeah,
Speaker 1: not even his rookie year because he twisted his ankle
Speaker 1: his rookie year. Like he's had one season where he
Speaker 1: played more than twelve games, I think, and like it
Speaker 1: was a solid season. He had five or six sacks,
Speaker 1: and I think he's a better run defender than he
Speaker 1: gets credit for. And to be you know, Alden Smith
Speaker 1: was kind of similar last year, coming off of a
Speaker 1: five year absence from playing pro football. Um, so I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't know that he I don't know how big
Speaker 1: of an improvement he is. Right, was there an appreciable
Speaker 1: difference between because in the first half of the season,
Speaker 1: Alden Smith was probably getting more opportunities and Randy started stared.
Speaker 1: So did you see an appreciable difference between the first
Speaker 1: half with Alden and the second half with Randy? No,
Speaker 1: not really, But I mean I don't think Alden Smith
Speaker 1: really had that great of a season. I don't I
Speaker 1: think he had. Think early he played, he had three
Speaker 1: sacks in the Seattle game. One of them he touched
Speaker 1: Wilson when he fell, and that's a sack. Yeah, counts.
Speaker 1: I mean, this team needs it. But I don't think,
Speaker 1: you know, it wasn't like just you knowd where you know,
Speaker 1: just taking over a game. I finished with five and
Speaker 1: a half I think, right, so yeah, and and four
Speaker 1: very early. Yeah, he wore down a little bit and
Speaker 1: and Gregory took some of his snaps. I think his
Speaker 1: story was, you know, that's what we remembered, was like, Wow,
Speaker 1: what just being here is awesome, But it wasn't the
Speaker 1: impact that Robert Quinn made on the other side from
Speaker 1: two years ago. And that's something that was not replaced
Speaker 1: last year, and that's that's where they need to get to.
Speaker 1: I'll take Randy's potential, no doubt. I'll take it that
Speaker 1: ten times out of ten, but I'm not ready to say,
Speaker 1: you know, at the end of the day, he's still
Speaker 1: got to prove it. All right, We're gonna take our
Speaker 1: final break. When we come back, We're gonna talk about
Speaker 1: points aloud. We're gonna talk about takeaways. Takeaways being a
Speaker 1: big topic of conversation for this coaching staff and an
Speaker 1: emphasis for them. We'll talk about when they come right back.
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Speaker 1: So so yeah, well let's get back to it. We're
Speaker 1: talking about defense. The next category I want to talk
Speaker 1: about is points allowed. In my opinion, this is the
Speaker 1: most important and in my opinion, it should be what
Speaker 1: we what what should be used in at the You know,
Speaker 1: when you talk about total defense, when you talk about
Speaker 1: the best defense in the league right now, they use
Speaker 1: actual yards. I think points allowed is a better indicator,
Speaker 1: just because at the end of the day, that's kind
Speaker 1: of the point of it. You give up less points,
Speaker 1: you win the game. But either way, um, last year,
Speaker 1: five of the top six had ten or more wins
Speaker 1: in points allowed. Eighteen to twenty one points per game
Speaker 1: is what those teams were giving up Dallas twenty eighth
Speaker 1: giving up twenty nine point six, almost thirty points per game.
Speaker 1: What was the biggest reason for the Cowboys giving up
Speaker 1: so many points last year? They sucked some piade analysis?
Speaker 1: Did you watch did you watch the games? Did you
Speaker 1: see did you see the receipt? I just I'll know,
Speaker 1: like the Arizona game, I mean well, I could think
Speaker 1: of eighteen different moments, like the obviously the Cleveland game,
Speaker 1: but like Arizona, Christian Kirk just eighteen yards behind the
Speaker 1: nearest dB. I think Tyler Murray only completed nine passes
Speaker 1: in that game, but he threw for like two eighty
Speaker 1: and two touchdowns or something stupid like that. That's the
Speaker 1: number of like untouched touchdowns that happened last year. Was pathetic.
Speaker 1: So do you think that was the biggest problem with
Speaker 1: this defense? That's the question. That was the biggest problem. Okay,
Speaker 1: any sorry, it was real quick. Any Like any success
Speaker 1: that this defense had during the rod era was because
Speaker 1: they didn't do that. They didn't. I mean, obviously, over
Speaker 1: the course of eight years they did, but by and large,
Speaker 1: they didn't allow the forty fifty sixty yard bust they
Speaker 1: made you drive down the field and you know death,
Speaker 1: buy paper cut and buckle down and try to force
Speaker 1: a fuel goal and you know, twenty eighteen twenty it worked,
Speaker 1: and it worked three out of the eight years that
Speaker 1: Rod was here, and last year, no, oh my god.
Speaker 1: I mean I've never seen so many like not just touchdowns,
Speaker 1: but bust touchdowns, just like just giving three points to
Speaker 1: the defense. Didn't stop the run, couldn't stop the big play. Like,
Speaker 1: they didn't really stop much of any of it. It's
Speaker 1: not that hard to analyze why they were bad. That's
Speaker 1: what I like. That's why they sucked is good analysis
Speaker 1: because it was unlike anything I've ever seen. I mean, Nick,
Speaker 1: it's the same. They couldn't give up big plays. Seattle
Speaker 1: games the one for me, because they couldn't stop them.
Speaker 1: And even when though Dak got them back in that
Speaker 1: game and then you know they fought back into it,
Speaker 1: they were never gonna stop Russell Wilson. Ever, fourth down,
Speaker 1: they have a chance to get off the field and
Speaker 1: they can't do it. You know it where it's Lockett,
Speaker 1: whether it was Medcal, whether it was Will said himself.
Speaker 1: I mean that was a game I just was like,
Speaker 1: you can be in this. You feel like you're in it,
Speaker 1: but you're really not, and you're not gonna win it
Speaker 1: because you can't you can't get off the field and
Speaker 1: you certainly can't give up the big plays. I mean
Speaker 1: the safety position. That's why you that's why everybody other
Speaker 1: than George Teague and Darren Woodson have been signed here
Speaker 1: this offseason, because because they gotta fix that. You know,
Speaker 1: Xavier Woods was was a He wasn't a good football
Speaker 1: player last year at all, and um, you know, sixth
Speaker 1: round pick, and let's see if he develops into something.
Speaker 1: And I think he had a good rookie year, but
Speaker 1: I think it got worse and worse for him. I
Speaker 1: saw bad angles. I saw it. Just he wasn't the
Speaker 1: only guy. He wasn't only digs. We love the arrow
Speaker 1: going up for him, and he struggle up a lot
Speaker 1: and just you throw you throw Kelvin Joseph out there,
Speaker 1: He's gonna struggle too. You know, that's what rookies are
Speaker 1: they do. I mean, it's gonna be tough, but you
Speaker 1: hope you kind of surround him with some other players.
Speaker 1: I think Anthony Brown is having a pretty solid camp.
Speaker 1: You know, he makes makes some good plays. Here. He's
Speaker 1: just a solid player. He's not the guy that people
Speaker 1: want to be the starter here, you know, and all
Speaker 1: that they want somebody that's more flashy. But he's solid.
Speaker 1: He's gonna be hard to take out of the starting
Speaker 1: lineup when you consider that and then the versatility to
Speaker 1: do two different jobs. Yeah, I expect him to start,
Speaker 1: at least at the outset of the season. All right,
Speaker 1: let's move on to takeaways. Dallas is tied for seventh,
Speaker 1: something I thought was kind of interesting. I had didn't
Speaker 1: even remember that with twenty three takeaways. Most of that
Speaker 1: came in the second half of the season. There were
Speaker 1: five games where they had two or more takeaways last year,
Speaker 1: and they won four of the five takeaways. Very important
Speaker 1: stat I think from the standpoint of overall winning. My
Speaker 1: question for you is, why are they so much better
Speaker 1: in the second half? Do you think than the first half?
Speaker 1: Quarterbacks that they faced were not very good. I think
Speaker 1: that's a big, big part of it. I don't think
Speaker 1: any of those quarterbacks and I'd love to see those
Speaker 1: four of those five games, but I'm gonna guess. Nick Mullin,
Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts, Daniel Jones, Brandon Allen, Brandon Allen and then
Speaker 1: the big one, which I love to say because it's
Speaker 1: Carson Wentz. They had four on him, right yeah, yeah
Speaker 1: they they they Alex Smith. They lost the game, right yeah,
Speaker 1: they still got four. Yeah that was however many they had. Yeah. So,
Speaker 1: but Carson Wentz was awful last year. He was one
Speaker 1: of the worst quarterbacks in the league. So right now, yeah,
Speaker 1: which so, I mean he you know, you don't think
Speaker 1: of him in the same vein as a Brandon Allen
Speaker 1: or a Nick Mullins because of where he was drafted.
Speaker 1: But he was terrible and they got a lot of
Speaker 1: takeaways from meaning Lamar Jackson played in that in down
Speaker 1: the Stretch, I think he threw a pick to him
Speaker 1: as well. And now he asked Anthony to Anthony Brown, yea, yeah,
Speaker 1: he ran, He ran all over the place. Well sure,
Speaker 1: but but yeah, I mean I thought at the second
Speaker 1: half of the season, I thought it was a quarterback
Speaker 1: play was part of it. I mean, there were more
Speaker 1: aggressive and down Dondron Wilson was really coming into his
Speaker 1: own more. He was a part of those. Uh so
Speaker 1: the Law was playing well too. You know, let's let's
Speaker 1: don't just put it all in the quarterback deep Law
Speaker 1: I thought was playing very well down the stretch, and
Speaker 1: that he helped some of those turnovers that he forced
Speaker 1: to fumble against forty nine ers, I believe, and so
Speaker 1: so yeah, I think it was just a combination of
Speaker 1: playing teams that weren't as good, playing quarterbacks that really
Speaker 1: weren't that good, and then also kind of getting after
Speaker 1: their ass a little bit more. It was Darian Thompson
Speaker 1: that picked off Jackson. I'm sorry, I remember he's not
Speaker 1: as their So if you guys are gonna pick one
Speaker 1: of these areas where you feel certain the Cowboys will
Speaker 1: be better, that's either run defense, sacks, points allout or takeaways.
Speaker 1: Which is it run defense? Just and I'm sorry if
Speaker 1: that's not bold, but it's just that it's the easiest.
Speaker 1: It's the easiest thing to fix. It's a one hundred
Speaker 1: and sixty yards a game. Yeah, it's I mean, and
Speaker 1: they've done They've done a lot, They've done a lot.
Speaker 1: They drafted Parsons, they drafted Osa and Gholston. I know
Speaker 1: he's not practicing whatever. Um you know, they all most
Speaker 1: of their primary free agency act positions were defensive tackles. Uh.
Speaker 1: You know, Gallimore is one of the big exciting names
Speaker 1: at this camp and then you know you've got a
Speaker 1: great run defender and tank. Yeah, I think they'll be.
Speaker 1: I think I think they'll be significantly better. And again
Speaker 1: I'm not saying top ten, but like you know, I
Speaker 1: think they could crack crack the top twenty. Maybe maybe
Speaker 1: that's too ambitious, but I think they can. I think
Speaker 1: they'll be better in sacks. I think they will be
Speaker 1: top ten in the league in sacks. I think that's
Speaker 1: what Dan Quinn prides himself on. I think with the
Speaker 1: way Mark Michael Parsons is going to be blitzing, the
Speaker 1: way Jalen Smith is going to be blitzing more, um,
Speaker 1: I just think there's gonna be more in an attack
Speaker 1: to kind of get to the quarterback, even more than
Speaker 1: we've seen. I think you'll see more sacks. That's probably
Speaker 1: something we haven't mentioned often enough, is that they are
Speaker 1: blitzing pretty frequently. But I'm obviously Micah and Jalen are
Speaker 1: doing it. But like Darian Thompson and Anthony Brown and
Speaker 1: you know, these these dvs are taking turns. I think
Speaker 1: mcquamu and Jayron Curse as well, they're you know, they're
Speaker 1: coming out of the slot. And that's why defense can
Speaker 1: look better in practice, because what the things you would
Speaker 1: do when people are blitzing blitzing, you can you can
Speaker 1: kind of change the play, gash them, do pop them
Speaker 1: with a draw. Well, you run a draw here to
Speaker 1: Zeke or Pollard and they get through the line and
Speaker 1: they put their hand on their shoulder and they're like,
Speaker 1: as dackle, that's not bringing Zeke down and it's not
Speaker 1: even bringing Pollard down, you know, and they can get
Speaker 1: fifteen twenty yards. It's like, well, don't blitz, don't do
Speaker 1: that crap again. But in a practice like this, they
Speaker 1: kind of blow the whistle, they stop it, you know,
Speaker 1: and so you can't team. I mean, defenses don't really
Speaker 1: get punished for blitzing as much in a practice like this,
Speaker 1: where you can really hurt them in a game. So
Speaker 1: that's why I think sometimes it's a little too early
Speaker 1: to say defense one or you know, and you can
Speaker 1: make the same case for the offense too, that the
Speaker 1: offense sits there for eight seconds and throws and stuff
Speaker 1: like that. So it's a great evaluation. It's great to
Speaker 1: be out here, but sometimes there's holes in the evaluation,
Speaker 1: all right, let's let's move on. I wanted real quick
Speaker 1: before we end the show. I have a few a
Speaker 1: few players I want to throw out in our I
Speaker 1: can't I get around segment basically the object tears. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna throw out a name. You guys are gonna talk
Speaker 1: about that player a little bit, give people insight on
Speaker 1: what you've seen from them, what your thoughts on on
Speaker 1: them throughout this first portion of training camp. Let's do first.
Speaker 1: Let's move to Israel Mukwamu, who is a rookie rookie
Speaker 1: safety six round draft pick out of South Carolina. Dave
Speaker 1: Go I like him. I think the odds are really
Speaker 1: stacked against him. I think just because of where he
Speaker 1: was drafted and how many dvs are in this secondary.
Speaker 1: But I mean when him and Nashan right are standing
Speaker 1: next to each other, I mean, it's like freaking California
Speaker 1: redwood forest or something. They're so tall and so long.
Speaker 1: But he's he's he seems like he's got a knack
Speaker 1: for being where the ball is. Like he's he's had
Speaker 1: a couple of picks in practice, He's jumped a couple
Speaker 1: of routes, and when he hasn't he's at least gotten
Speaker 1: his hands on it. I'm positive he's you know, he's
Speaker 1: a rookie. I'm sure he's made mistakes. He's not perfect,
Speaker 1: but he's disruptive and versatile because he played corner in
Speaker 1: college and I haven't seen him play outside at camp,
Speaker 1: but they've brought him down into the slot. They've blitzed
Speaker 1: him from there. But they've played him in coverage there
Speaker 1: as well, So he's been fun to watch. Like I said,
Speaker 1: you know, I don't feel good about his chances of
Speaker 1: being on the team, just not because of anything against him,
Speaker 1: but just there's so many like veteran bodies in front
Speaker 1: of him. But I think he's looked good. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think a year from now we're going to talk about
Speaker 1: mcquamu is playing two games in twenty twenty one and
Speaker 1: fifteen inactives on the team, inactive most of the time.
Speaker 1: You think they can get him, they'll have him on
Speaker 1: practice squads, or you think he's gonna make the active
Speaker 1: rossmans the team, he's inactive. It can't get him to
Speaker 1: the games, That's what I think. Although, which and this
Speaker 1: is cheating, and you know the fifty three is what matters,
Speaker 1: but the rules are going to be similar. I think
Speaker 1: like they haven't moved out, they haven't ironed it all
Speaker 1: out in terms of, like, can you move guys off
Speaker 1: the practice squad the day of the game. I don't know,
Speaker 1: but the act I was gonna be fifteen players. We
Speaker 1: should know by now that the vast majority of their
Speaker 1: cuts are going to clear waivers. Almost nobody ever gets claimed.
Speaker 1: So even if he gets cut, I think he's got
Speaker 1: a great, great opportunity to be here. I mean, he
Speaker 1: will be here if he even if he gets cut,
Speaker 1: he'll be here as long as he doesn't get claimed
Speaker 1: by somebody else. I definitely think that. All right, let's
Speaker 1: get one more player here. Justin Hamilton's fourth round I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: fourth year defensive tackle. He was a twenty twenty free
Speaker 1: agent that the Cowboys signed go Nick not being impressive
Speaker 1: to me. Can't remember a lot of plays other than
Speaker 1: getting thrown by Isaac oller Cohn. Uh and that's not
Speaker 1: a great thing. So um, he's still learning how to
Speaker 1: play football, so he kind of threw them around the
Speaker 1: other day. I was in a drill surprised to see that.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think Bohana is better. I think when
Speaker 1: you look at Watkins, Urban, Ohizula. I think Justin Hill
Speaker 1: will come back. I think when you talk about training
Speaker 1: camp bodies, that's what Justin him Mailton is. He's been
Speaker 1: around for a long time. He understands the business a
Speaker 1: little bit. He's a big guy. But I don't think
Speaker 1: his chances of making the team were very high at all.
Speaker 1: I don't disagree with you, except for the fact that
Speaker 1: the defensive coordinator shouted him out by name the other day,
Speaker 1: and that maybe that's an element of what they see
Speaker 1: in the meetings is a lot different because I mean,
Speaker 1: he's he's a big he's a big fatty. His job
Speaker 1: is to clog things up and make life difficult for
Speaker 1: everybody else. So that doesn't translate to what we see.
Speaker 1: And I'm not talking trash on you because I haven't
Speaker 1: seen him doing anything that either. Dan Quinn was like
Speaker 1: he was like, you know, I knew that Urban and Watkins,
Speaker 1: I knew what they could do. But you know, you
Speaker 1: get out here and you see Hamilton's like stuffing things
Speaker 1: up and blocking the run. So if the defensive coordinator
Speaker 1: brings you up without being prompted at a press conference,
Speaker 1: that's definitely a good thing. So and The other thing
Speaker 1: to note is yesterday I noticed he was out there
Speaker 1: running with the ones. Again. That happens right right now.
Speaker 1: You can't really put anything on who's running where. I
Speaker 1: do think though, it is worth noting that he's getting opportunities.
Speaker 1: That's the point. He is getting opportunities, and we'll see
Speaker 1: where they all lands. He has a game that does
Speaker 1: not translate to the way that we watch practice. Like
Speaker 1: if we could sit down in their meeting rooms and
Speaker 1: watch the you know, the zoom in on the lines
Speaker 1: and see how he's doing I'm watching the film would matter.
Speaker 1: It might be a different story, but it just doesn't
Speaker 1: translate to watching. One thing about defensive tackle. When you
Speaker 1: look at other positions and you think preseason games, who's
Speaker 1: gonna get in there? What are the starters gonna play?
Speaker 1: Defensive tackles one of those where the starters, even if
Speaker 1: it's a Gallimore, even if it's a Diggy Zooa, those
Speaker 1: are players that are gonna you want to play. They
Speaker 1: need to play against Pitts experience and so um. Other
Speaker 1: other starters are going to be kind of you know,
Speaker 1: they're gonna be in and out, you know. And and
Speaker 1: if at all, if they're even in. But I think
Speaker 1: tackles one where you know, Justin Hamilton may not get
Speaker 1: as many snaps as he would in another situation, because
Speaker 1: you want to see young players get on the field
Speaker 1: more than you would in other positions. All right, we
Speaker 1: appreciate you guys. Jonas will be back on Tuesday and
Speaker 1: we'll guess I get you guys ready for the Hall
Speaker 1: of Fame game that will be happening this Thursday now
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