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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: And welcome back to George Noriy along with Whitley Strieber. Whitley,

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Speaker 2: I'll let you wrap up your thoughts on the President

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Speaker 2: Trump in disclosure and then we'll get into Transformation twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty six.

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Speaker 3: Okay, Well, what I was going to say is this,

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Speaker 3: he has the bully pulpit. He's the president of United States.

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Speaker 3: If he says something, everyone in the world is going

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Speaker 3: to hear that at some point. But he does not

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Speaker 3: have the same level of authority that in many parts

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Speaker 3: of the culture that previous presidents did. He's unique in

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Speaker 3: this respect because the country is so polarized in the

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Speaker 3: world too, People like liberals and so forth are not

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Speaker 3: necessarily going to believe him. And the people who are

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Speaker 3: going to be most affected by the shock of this,

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Speaker 3: the reality of an alien presence overturning their whole worldview,

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Speaker 3: are the same people were least likely to believe him.

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Speaker 3: And I think it's a rare opportunity for the visitors

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Speaker 3: to start bleeding this out into the public without causing

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Speaker 3: people to go into a state of shock like this

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Speaker 3: shock that immobilized the Incas when Pizarro showed up, they

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Speaker 3: basically just were unable to They were unable to function,

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Speaker 3: they couldn't respond, And the same was true with the Aztecs.

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Speaker 3: They thought Cortess and his men were God. Cazekodal come

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Speaker 3: back to Earth, and they were unable to fight for

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Speaker 3: their own world successfully and they fell to it. So

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Speaker 3: these things are all in their minds, and I think

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Speaker 3: that there's a possibility that the Trump administration might do this.

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Speaker 3: But unfortunately Pete Hegseth gave the project of going through

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Speaker 3: and releasing all of the UFO files to the All

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Speaker 3: Domain Anomalies Research Organization ARROW, which has already proven that

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Speaker 3: it's a highly unreliable element. It's not going to it's

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Speaker 3: already lied extensively about UFOs, and I think that it's

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Speaker 3: fairly that'll continue to happen.

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Speaker 2: Unfortunately, Wedly, this episode started for you in nineteen eighty five,

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Speaker 2: did it not.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I had had this in my life as a child,

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Speaker 3: but I had forgotten it. And the reason is that

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Speaker 3: it's the same reason my son, who had it in

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Speaker 3: his life as a child, has forgotten it. It's not

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Speaker 3: talked about, and you don't have any place to put

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Speaker 3: the memories, they fade away, and that happened to me

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Speaker 3: as a boy. So when they reappeared in my life

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Speaker 3: in nineteen eighty five, I had no idea that this

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Speaker 3: could even happen. None, I wasn't hadn't thought about flying

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Speaker 3: saucers since I was a child, and I was totally

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Speaker 3: thrown I really for the few weeks after it. Initially

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Speaker 3: the abduction I had in late nineteen eighty five happened,

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Speaker 3: I assume first it was a crime because I was

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Speaker 3: obviously I was assaulted, I was injured. And then when

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Speaker 3: it didn't seem possible that it was a crime, I

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Speaker 3: just didn't know what to make of it. And eventually

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Speaker 3: met about Hopkins, who was studying alien abduction.

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Speaker 2: One of the best, wasn't he well.

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Speaker 3: At the time, I thought he was a complete nut,

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Speaker 3: you know, And and I went my wife Anna and

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Speaker 3: I went to see him because there was a book

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Speaker 3: called Science in the UFOs that did describe my something

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Speaker 3: similar to what happened to me, what I remembered happening

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Speaker 3: and thinking that, you know, he's not obviously, but maybe

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Speaker 3: there's something in this and that was then I. He

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Speaker 3: introduced me to doctor Donald Klein, who was the one

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Speaker 3: York State Department of Psychiatry and also a well or

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Speaker 3: renowned forensic hypnotist. And don't ever let you anyone tell

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Speaker 3: in the hands of the right person. And if there

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Speaker 3: was ever a right person, it was doctor Klein. He

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Speaker 3: his career over seventy cases using forensic hypnosis to help

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Speaker 3: help people remember things. So I thought, okay, that I'll

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Speaker 3: let the sky hypnotize me. And he and I talked

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Speaker 3: I had the hypnosis, and I'll never I was shocked

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Speaker 2: Was it the hypnosis that brought all this back to you?

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Speaker 3: No, I had the memories by then. The day after,

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Speaker 3: I was very traumatized, and my memories were quite confused.

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Speaker 3: I remembered an owl in the house and things like that,

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Speaker 3: because these are these big eyes. And then over the

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Speaker 3: next couple of weeks it became more and more obvious

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Speaker 3: that the memory became started to come together, and I

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Speaker 3: remembered being taken out of the house, being in a

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Speaker 3: out that I had been injured. My doctor diagnosed that

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Speaker 3: I had been raped, and I was horrified. I just

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Speaker 2: You were around thirty nine, forty years old?

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Speaker 3: Then forty years old? Yeah, And I called the police.

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Speaker 3: I called the New York State Criminal Investigation Division and

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Speaker 3: he said, I don't have there's no point of entry,

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Speaker 3: You have no way to describe these people except that

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Speaker 3: they apparently were wearing masks, and there's no place for

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Speaker 2: At what point did you realize these weren't masks?

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Speaker 3: During the hypnosis with doctor Klein, it became incredibly vivid,

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Speaker 3: and not only that, in the middle of it, my

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Speaker 3: Mine said, suddenly, how old are you? And I heard

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Speaker 3: say twelve, and ah, I thought, what is going on here?

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Speaker 3: And I remembered an abduction experience with my father and

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Speaker 3: my sister back at the age of twelve. And doctor

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Speaker 3: Klein said, when people have been traumatized repeatedly in their

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Speaker 3: like you just did, without realizing they have. And he said,

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Speaker 3: You've undoubtedly had this in your life for a long time.

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Speaker 4: And I know you're going to want someone after hearing this.

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Speaker 4: This is an amazing story.

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Speaker 1: We've got Stephen and Malachi Gregory in Nelson, New Zealand.

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Speaker 4: Now I understand that Malachi, who is eight almost nine

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Speaker 4: years old now, was suffering with not just one or

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Speaker 5: Yeah, he was having trouble even holding a pencil to right.

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Speaker 5: It was Tie's book actually that got me thinking about it.

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Speaker 1: I'm not surprised.

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Speaker 4: It is an amazing immunal modulator, and so I can

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Speaker 4: see that it would work. And so at what point

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Speaker 4: did you see that there was actually improvement it's really

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Speaker 5: Well, we really started to notice it around twelve weeks.

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Speaker 5: You can see these things actually getting smaller and smaller

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Speaker 5: and then going down to with just little red marks.

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Speaker 5: The whole things are gone, and we're talking about what's

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Speaker 5: you know one the size of the wanner. I thought,

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Speaker 5: no way, that's gonna wow. That's just been miraculous to

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Speaker 5: see him get into a pair of shoes.

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Speaker 3: Yes, how wonderful.

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Speaker 5: It's great to see him so happy and yeah.

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Speaker 4: Competent, absolutely wonderful.

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Speaker 1: Friends that have seen it that is blown away.

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Speaker 3: Ti, this is awesome, Yeah, this is awesome.

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Speaker 2: Those that got you when you were twelve, were they

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Speaker 2: the same ones that got you when you were forty?

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Speaker 3: I remember being in a room full of cots with

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Speaker 3: this isn't this is alright, and my because I had

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Speaker 3: seen obviously seen this being before, and my father said, nobody,

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Speaker 3: surge of fear that went through me at that moment.

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Speaker 3: It was and my sister was standing hand in hand

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Speaker 2: That I had not had a profound effect on you.

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Speaker 3: Oh you're not kidding it, sure did.

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Speaker 2: And you still have the implant in your ear.

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Speaker 3: Yes, And that is the in many ways, it's the

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Speaker 3: most interesting thing about my case, which it's unique. It's

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Speaker 3: not the only implant, but the unique thing about it

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Speaker 3: is the videotaped attempt to remove it proves that it's

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Speaker 3: an anomalous object beyond a shadow of a doubt.

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Speaker 2: Who tried to remove Roger Lear or somebody else.

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Speaker 3: No, No, a doctor in Texas tried to remove it,

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Speaker 3: and he thought it was a little cyst. Didn't. I

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Speaker 3: didn't tell him it was an alien implant, and he

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Speaker 2: And it moves around right.

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Speaker 3: Well, what happened was it's in the top part of

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Speaker 3: and you can see on video you can see him

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Speaker 3: looking at it and looking at it, and they say

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Speaker 3: people who say, oh, he dreamed it all up and

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Speaker 3: so forth, I did not, And that's proof I did not.

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Speaker 2: What years ago, Tom Danheiser and I went to an

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Speaker 2: operation that doctor Lear did here in La of a

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Speaker 2: lady who had an implant in her facial cheek, and

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Speaker 2: he went to get it and it moved all over

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Speaker 2: her face. He couldn't extract it.

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Speaker 3: Couldn't extract it. No, you have to isolate them. In

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Speaker 3: other words, you can if there's one in somebody's toe

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Speaker 3: was at a number of doctor Lear's surgeries, and some

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Speaker 3: of his implants were studied at Southwest Research in San

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Speaker 3: Antonio by my dear friend, doctor William Mallow, who was

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Speaker 3: the head of materials science there. But mine is still there,

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Speaker 3: and in fact, after any passed away, I learned how

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Speaker 3: to use it, and I use it in my work.

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Speaker 3: I used it in writing the new book.

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Speaker 2: Is it like a communication.

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Speaker 3: Device, It's more like a research tool. A few years ago,

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Speaker 3: a doctor connected with the Central Intelligence Agency wanted me

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Speaker 3: to get a CT scan of it, and two people

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Speaker 3: showed up at this apartment who knew a great deal

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Speaker 3: about it. This is a couple of days before the CT,

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Speaker 3: and they explained to me what it was. I already

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Speaker 3: had already discovered it was a brilliant research tool, and

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Speaker 3: I don't know how it worked, but I did know

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Speaker 3: that as I would write and work, it would bring

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Speaker 3: up all kinds of information, and it is obviously feed

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Speaker 3: your brain information sort of it. There's a there's a

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Speaker 3: sort of slit that opens in my eye. It's you

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Speaker 3: can see if you look against a white wall, you

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Speaker 3: can see words racing through the slit. And I I

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Speaker 3: had noticed that, but I hadn't really understood anything about it.

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Speaker 3: And they said that what it is doing is it's

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Speaker 3: bringing up memories, the information that you have forgotten, you know,

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Speaker 3: from deep in your mind, and as you work, it's

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Speaker 3: adding that to the information you have in the front

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Speaker 3: of your mind. And this is why when I'm writing,

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Speaker 3: it's so amazingly easy to call up all kinds of things,

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Speaker 3: like the references to scientific papers and all kinds of

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Speaker 3: detail that I would normally not be able to remember.

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Speaker 2: What year do you think the implant was put in there.

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Speaker 3: It was put in in May of nineteen eighty.

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Speaker 2: Nine, four years after your communion episode.

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Speaker 3: That's right, and it was put in by two people.

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Speaker 3: They weren't aliens as far as I could tell. I

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Speaker 3: was awake when it happened. We were at our cabin

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Speaker 3: in upstate New York, and the windows of the bedroom

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Speaker 3: we were in the upstairs bedroom we were in open

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Speaker 3: out on the driveway in the front and the deck

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Speaker 3: in the back, and they were all open because it

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Speaker 3: was a warm night. And suddenly I heard the crunching

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Speaker 3: of gravel in the driveway. And this was immediately concerning

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Speaker 3: because the gate was closed and there were no car lights,

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Speaker 3: and I thought, my god, there's somebody here, and that's

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Speaker 3: not good. Obviously.

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