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Speaker 1: For the later segments in the show, Well, we got

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Speaker 1: to talk about this whole idea of cashless bail. So

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Speaker 1: yesterday we talked briefly about some of the executive orders

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Speaker 1: that President Trump put into place, more specifically around cashless bail,

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Speaker 1: which I think a lot of people were asking, well,

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Speaker 1: what is cashless bail? If you live in a state

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Speaker 1: if someone is going to be released from jail awaiting

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Speaker 1: cashless bail is the exact opposite of that. Several lib

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Speaker 1: their potential arrest. Yes, those are problems. Now. The Libs,

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Speaker 1: lead to failure to appear notices. Actually, since New York

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Speaker 1: And technically that statistic is true. But here you're gonna

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Speaker 1: But if you just go one layer back, you'll notice, oh, well, actually,

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Speaker 1: and it doesn't matter. The crimes that are that are

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Speaker 1: about fifty percent higher than they were before the cashless

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Speaker 1: bail system. All that's to say is this, People have

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Speaker 1: their statistics of why cashless bail is such a great idea,

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Speaker 1: but in reality, if you conflate those numbers with the

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Speaker 1: Really appreciate you taking the time. Thanks, thank you for

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Speaker 1: having a sign h Kendall, I want to start with

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Speaker 2: Committed these crimes thirty to forty I think that someone

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Speaker 4: It's terrible living in these cities, and we're seeing with

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Speaker 4: We don't have to live like this.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you make a great point. If you're a law abiding,

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Speaker 1: well do it. Go ahead and just do whatever you want.

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Speaker 1: Then that it seems to be the case in so

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Speaker 1: sending in the National Guard. I thought it was hilarious

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Speaker 1: because the Governor of Illinois, JB. Pritzker decided he would

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Speaker 1: a press conference, and this, I thought was a hilarious

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Speaker 1: to some Chicago crib statistics. Check it out. We're very

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Speaker 5: I know that I live rent free in the President's head,

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Speaker 5: and I wish he would spend some time in Chicago

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Speaker 1: Governor Kirkfellow, what do you do if the National Guard

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Speaker 1: is pleasure? Give that videographer an oscar for that cinematic pan. Now,

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Speaker 1: the White House released some numbers. For the thirteenth consecutive year,

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Speaker 1: Chicago has had the most murders in any US city.

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Speaker 1: For seven consecutive year, Chicago has had the highest murder

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Speaker 1: and the list goes on and on and on. Kendall,

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Speaker 1: you think President Trump will be justified sending in the

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Speaker 1: National Guard to the most murdery city in the country

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Speaker 1: to try and I don't know, stop the murders.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely.

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Speaker 2: I think it's hysterical that he says he's living rent

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Speaker 2: You know, they're living rent free in Trump's head. This

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Speaker 3: That it's so safe. Go over to Cicero, go to

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Speaker 2: One in twenty nine are victims of a violent of

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Speaker 2: I'm sorry, of a property crime, and one in one

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's wild to me that people are trying

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Speaker 1: all over the news. There's a crazy murder rate in Chicago.

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Speaker 1: What do you think it's going to take for the

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Speaker 4: Well Joeev, I'm glad you brought up the gas lighting

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Speaker 4: because that's exactly what Democrats do. Remember when Joe Biden

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Speaker 4: Now there's no crime in Chicago, there's no crime in

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Speaker 4: sending in troops and forces into Chicago. I'm all for it.

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Speaker 4: I know there's some constitutional issues there, but I think

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Speaker 4: President Trump should do everything in his power because he

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Speaker 4: to clean up all of our cities. The main issue

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Speaker 8: Well, it's my pleasure. I love Turning Point, I love

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Speaker 5: Thank you. Well, let's talk about some of these new

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Speaker 8: it's the president who's calling out this problem. Twenty nine

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Speaker 5: And now, how do we ensure that the measures that

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Speaker 8: Well, I think that once DC recognizes that they can

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Speaker 1: Always great work from Turning Points. White House Correspondent Monica Page.

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Speaker 1: Thanks Monica, appreciate that very interesting interview with the judge. Janine.

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Speaker 1: You know, I thought we were past the whole well,

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Speaker 1: schools say that you can't say this word or can't

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Speaker 1: I think we're past that. Apparently we are not. Let's

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Speaker 1: bring our panel back, Jamie Franklin Kendall Bailey Guys. Columbia

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Speaker 1: Law School interestingly is taking some heat this from the

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Speaker 2: These these First of all, it's a law school, and

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Speaker 2: You know, you can't say homeless, and yet okay, it's unhoused.

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Speaker 2: It all means the same thing. You can't say mom,

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Speaker 2: that they can to control everything that's going on, controlling

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Speaker 2: the narrative, telling us almost gaslighting us into believing that

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Speaker 2: these are naughty words, and they're really they're not naughty words.

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Speaker 2: I mean these are I don't know who uses these words, Like,

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Speaker 2: even if I was to hear them on campus, I

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Speaker 3: I'm not sure why it's offensive.

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Speaker 1: Well, yeah, and that doesn't make Jamie. This is what

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Speaker 1: I think is interesting. I aspire to be someone's quote

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Speaker 1: unquote crazy conservative uncle. That's what I hope to be

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Speaker 1: described at. I think there's a lot of people watching

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Speaker 1: this show and me like, heck, yeah, I'm the crazy

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Speaker 1: conservative uncle. Now they didn't say conservative in there, but

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Speaker 1: the crazy uncle thing is a point of pride for

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Speaker 1: some people. Why can't we say it anymore?

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Speaker 4: Well, this also comes off the heels of this think

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Speaker 4: tank in DC. I don't know if you guys saw

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Speaker 4: this news. I know it got a little bit of coverage,

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Speaker 4: but they're putting out that we need to stop saying microaggressions.

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Speaker 4: And they're on the opposite and advising Democrats right now

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Speaker 4: to stop with this ultra leftist language and controlling people's

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Speaker 4: mind and speech, because that's why they lost the last election.

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Speaker 4: A huge part of it as well. People just don't

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Speaker 4: want to be told. They don't want to be condescended

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Speaker 4: to on a regular basis, and they don't want to

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Speaker 4: be lectured. The problem is the Democratic Party doesn't stand

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Speaker 4: for anything right now because they have the anti Trump

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Speaker 4: kind of more moderate base where they're not into this

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Speaker 4: leftist lunacy, and then they have the far left Palestine

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Speaker 4: toading blue hair. They them crazies. I used crazies because

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Speaker 4: I'm allowed to say that on the other end, and

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Speaker 4: these people have nothing in between that binds them together,

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Speaker 4: and so they're doing their best to try to, you know,

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Speaker 4: bring something together, and it's just an absolute fail. My

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Speaker 4: favorite thing I have to just share this is their

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Speaker 4: land acknowledgements they do on every college campus, where you

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Speaker 4: have to acknowledge the tribe that I guess we stole

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Speaker 4: I would say conquered, that we conquered the land from.

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Speaker 4: But they fail to admit that the Indian tribe that

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Speaker 4: came before, before, before it, and the ones throughout all

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Speaker 4: the generations, it's just I guess the most recent one.

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Speaker 4: So that's just leftism for you. It doesn't have any end.

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Speaker 4: It's a historical and it just keeps going in circles.

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Speaker 4: It's like a snowball that just keeps building and building.

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Speaker 4: And building with no end in sight.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I like that you bring up land acknowledgements. Interestingly enough,

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Speaker 1: whenever I go open for Charlie Kirk, I do a

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Speaker 1: land acknowledgement. I sai, I'd like to acknowledge the land

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Speaker 1: that we stand on today is a part of the

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Speaker 1: greatest nation mankind has ever known. And then people cheer

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Speaker 1: because that's an actual land acknowledgement. I love that a

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Speaker 1: little bit of a tangent there, you know, speaking of

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Speaker 1: people that believe crazy things. I want to play you

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Speaker 1: this video. I'm going to not insert commentary because I

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Speaker 1: feel like it's just too evident, and I would love

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Speaker 1: Check this out.

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Speaker 10: Hey, stay. Rep Carrie ran Yance here and I am

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Speaker 10: recording a video today to talk to you trans kids

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Speaker 10: here in Michigan. I want you to know that the

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Speaker 10: care you might want for gender firman care is legal

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Speaker 10: in Michigan, and it's still continuing in a wide variety

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Speaker 10: of places. But I want you to know, as trans

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Speaker 10: kids here in Michigan that this care is obviously safe

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Speaker 10: and effective. That's why it's been approved and why it's

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Speaker 10: been used all across the country and continues to be used.

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Speaker 10: So if you need to find a new place to

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Speaker 10: get care, it is still legal here in Michigan and

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Speaker 10: reach out to our office. We'll be able to connect

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Speaker 10: you to what might still be available in our community.

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Speaker 1: That is a Michigan elected state representative. Kendall, do your worst.

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Speaker 2: We used to have I'm like, first of all, she's

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Speaker 2: giving fetterman with her with her hoodie. She's looking so unprofessional.

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Speaker 2: And we used to have all these all these programs

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Speaker 2: in place for kids. Do you remember when we had

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Speaker 2: dare in schools that would tell children that these drugs

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Speaker 2: are not safe and effective. These drugs are dangerous, they

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Speaker 2: will do harm to your bodies. And what we need

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Speaker 2: to be doing as adults is telling children that they

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Speaker 2: are worthy, that they were created in the body, the

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Speaker 2: correct body, that God doesn't make mistakes, and instead we're

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Speaker 2: affirming lies to them. And if any child is told

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Speaker 2: on repeat that they're unattractive or that they're heavy, they're

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Speaker 2: going to start to believe it. And we continue to

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Speaker 2: affirm these lies. And there are countless number of trans

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Speaker 2: youth who are coming out saying the opposite, saying I

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Speaker 2: wish I hadn't done this. I wish my parents had

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Speaker 2: stood up for me. And we're talking about a group

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Speaker 2: of individuals that is one percent in America, and of

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Speaker 2: that one percent, three point three of that is made

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Speaker 2: up of youth.

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Speaker 3: And that's terrifying.

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Speaker 2: This is the most subjectable generation and they're just being

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Speaker 2: told all of these lies and it's horrific. It's terrifying,

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Speaker 2: it's sad, and the damage is I don't know if

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Speaker 2: it can never be undone.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's awful. Jamie is mom. You have anything to

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Speaker 1: add to that.

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Speaker 4: I think, first of all, she's a groomer. She's creepy.

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Speaker 4: She's going on TikTok for reason. She's not putting a

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Speaker 4: PSA out on a government website or sending it even

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Speaker 4: to like a school board, as terrible as that would be.

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Speaker 4: She is directly targeting children on a child's app TikTok,

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Speaker 4: And so parents, you need to be careful about what

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Speaker 4: your kids are viewing on the TikTok because you never

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Speaker 4: know what is coming up on their screens and what

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Speaker 4: indoctrination is going through. There's no such thing as a

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Speaker 4: trans child. As Kendall said, every child is born in

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Speaker 4: the body that God meant them to be in and

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Speaker 4: we should be affirming that and celebrating our children for

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Speaker 4: who they are. And I honestly, I think that there

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Speaker 4: needs to be an investigation into this representative because she's

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Speaker 4: going against you know, federal it's a federal crime.

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Speaker 10: Now.

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Speaker 4: The Trump administration has made this mutilating children and giving

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Speaker 4: them drugs they don't need and ruining their bodies a crime,

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Speaker 4: and so she's aiding and abetting that. So I think

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Speaker 4: there needs to be an investigation because I don't think

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Speaker 4: you can go out and target and groom children like this.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Hard to disagree with any of the points that

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Speaker 1: you brought up, and I fail to make jokes because

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Speaker 1: of them. Just an enraged by that sort of thing.

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Speaker 1: But Kendall Jamie, thanks so much for joining us. Really

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Speaker 1: appreciate you taking the time. We'll have you back as

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Speaker 1: soon as you can.

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Speaker 3: Thanks.

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Speaker 1: Thank you. Come up next year on Turning Point Tonight,

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Speaker 1: I got a fascinating clip from Alex Clark's Culture Apothecary podcast.

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Speaker 11: Would you agree that this is one of the biggest

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Speaker 11: issues with the church today is that they're not discipling

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Speaker 11: their congregation the way that they should.

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Speaker 12: Completely. The research that we did, we went we went out.

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Speaker 12: We did a big national survey with senior pasters and

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Speaker 12: one of the opening questions was how effective do you

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Speaker 12: think you're churches in ministry? We found that more than

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Speaker 12: four out of five and them said they're very effective,

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Speaker 12: highly effective, completely effective. You know, there was a scale,

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Speaker 12: and so they're way up at the upper end of

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Speaker 12: the scale, more than four out of five. So okay, whatever,

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Speaker 12: Now why do you say that? And what we found

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Speaker 12: is that most pastors across the country have five factors

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Speaker 12: money is raised, how many programs are offered, how many

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Speaker 12: staff people have been hired, and how much square footage

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Speaker 12: has been built out. And they look at those numbers

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Speaker 12: every week and if those five numbers are bigger than

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Speaker 12: they were fifty two weeks ago. The expression that most

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Speaker 12: of them uses, we are a healthy and growing.

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Speaker 11: Church, right.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 12: Now my reaction to them is, look, I'm a research guy,

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Speaker 12: I'm a sociologist, a methodologist. I'm glad you're measuring stuff

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Speaker 12: that's critical because you get what you measure. But because

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Speaker 12: you get what you measure, if you measure the wrong stuff,

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Speaker 12: you're going to get the wrong stuff. You only measure

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Speaker 12: what you think is important. So what you're telling me

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Speaker 12: is that the most important things in ministry is how

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Speaker 12: many people are showing up, how much money they're giving,

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Speaker 12: whether or not they're spending time on the campus. If

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Speaker 12: you can keep expanding the campus. Jesus didn't die for

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Speaker 12: any of those things. And so if your job as

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Speaker 12: a pastor is to facilitate discipling people, you're measuring the

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Speaker 12: wrong stuff. So yeah, I completely agree with you. It's like,

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Speaker 12: we've got to rethink the entire model of what we're

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Speaker 12: doing because it's not working. And as you know, the

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Speaker 12: definition of his insanity is keep doing the same thing

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Speaker 12: oh and over again, expective from results. That's what the

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Speaker 12: church in America does. We can demonstrably prove that the

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Speaker 12: church is ineffective. The local church is ineffective. We have

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Speaker 12: a shrinking number of Christians, we have almost no disciples. Hey,

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Speaker 12: let's keep doing what we've been doing.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, yikes, And how is it looking for gen Z

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Speaker 11: in the church?

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Speaker 12: Gen Z is interesting because it's a general that what

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Speaker 12: you find generationally is that every generation is a reaction

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Speaker 12: to their parents' generation. And so you've got gen Z

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Speaker 12: who basically are a reaction to the millennials. Now, the

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Speaker 12: millennials didn't want anything to do with God, they didn't

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Speaker 12: want anything to do with local church. They don't read

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Speaker 12: the Bible, they don't pray, they don't do any of

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Speaker 12: that stuff. Gen Z's coming in. Suddenly we see a

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Speaker 11: I saw this week an article come out saying that

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Speaker 11: the traditional aspect, that they're really rejecting more of this

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Speaker 11: like non denominational Protestant like it's too lax for them.

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Speaker 11: Like they're like, well, if I'm going to go to church,

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Speaker 11: I want it to be like really really formal. I

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Speaker 11: think they feel like they're getting something more out of that.

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Speaker 11: So like the Catholic Church is growing a lot, not really,

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Speaker 11: Oh okay.

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Speaker 12: Tell us, yeah, I mean it's kind of stable. In fact,

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Speaker 12: what we're seeing is that the religions in America right

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Speaker 12: now that are growing are non Christian religions. And whoever

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Speaker 12: wrote that article I would debate with a little bit

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Speaker 12: in terms of, you know, really, do they want all

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Speaker 12: that structure? They do want some structure, yes, But what

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Speaker 12: we also find is, remember they're coming into a culture

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Speaker 12: that says feelings are everything. There's no absolute moral truths,

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Speaker 12: so you've got to feel your way through every moment

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Speaker 12: of every day. And so the fastest growing religion in

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Speaker 12: faiths are growing, and of course the other one that

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Speaker 12: keeps growing is no faith at all. Now, that's from

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Speaker 12: twenty up to twenty three percent right now.

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Speaker 11: But where the heck is Buddhism coming from.

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Speaker 12: Well, because it's about feelings and goodness. You see, we

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Speaker 12: have this ridiculous idea that human beings are good. And

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Speaker 12: so what Buddhism pushes is need to be kind, you

649
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Speaker 12: need to be compassionate. You need to be good, and

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Speaker 12: the only way to do that is you keep working

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Speaker 12: at it, because of course you're going to be reincarnated,

652
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Speaker 12: and so when you come back next time, you want

653
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Speaker 12: to come back as a better person. So start working

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Speaker 12: on that now so that you know you've got that

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Speaker 12: flow happening in your life. We find that much like Mormonism.

656
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Speaker 12: You know, the Mormons to how much growth they have,

657
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Speaker 12: and there are probably about two million new Mormons that

658
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Speaker 12: come into the Mormon church every year. That's a lot.

659
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Speaker 12: What they never tell you is that about two and

660
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Speaker 12: a half million come out the back door every year,

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Speaker 12: So they're not really growing. Why because you know, they're

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Speaker 12: very good at the relational end of things, getting people

663
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Speaker 12: to come in and building a sense of community, and

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Speaker 12: young people in particular are looking for that. Buddhism provides

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Speaker 12: that kind of sense of community where nobody's better than

666
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Speaker 12: anybody else, we all are going to make it through

667
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Speaker 12: this together. We're a community. So yeah, it's a really

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Speaker 12: mixed up thing. Are gen Ziers really interested in the

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Speaker 12: Protestant Church? Not unless they have a relationship with somebody

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Speaker 12: in one of those churches, Okay, and they're impressed by

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Speaker 12: the lifestyle of that person. Modeling is huge in discipleship.

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Speaker 12: We learn most of who we become not by what

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Speaker 12: we're told, but by watching people we know and trust

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Speaker 12: and believe in and then imitating what they do.

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Speaker 4: I like that.

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Speaker 11: That's a lot of conviction.

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Speaker 12: I like it. It's very important. And I mean, you

678
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Speaker 12: know where did that come from? Jesus? You know, I

679
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Speaker 12: mean he took twelve Yahoos and they lived with him

680
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Speaker 12: for three years and he showed them no, no, no,

681
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Speaker 12: no no. This is how you work with people. This

682
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Speaker 12: is how you love people. This is how you get

683
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Speaker 12: people to trust you. At what I'm doing with you,

684
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Speaker 12: you know, having that conversation, walking around, experiencing things together,

685
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Speaker 12: talking about it afterwards. That was jesus whole approach.

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Speaker 11: Well, one of the biggest hurdles for skeptics is believing

687
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Speaker 11: that God exists at all. How do we know that

688
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Speaker 11: God is real? And what evidence can we point to

689
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Speaker 11: that might resonate with somebody who's doubting that.

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Speaker 12: It depends on the individual. Again, it's got to be

691
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Speaker 12: a conversation because you got to work your way through

692
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Speaker 12: their layers of disbelief. So it depends where they're coming

693
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Speaker 12: from and how they latched onto that idea that there's

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Speaker 12: no God. I think it's really difficult to look at

695
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Speaker 12: all of creation and say this just spontaneously happened, and

696
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Speaker 12: look how well it fits together. And by the way,

697
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Speaker 12: if we change the oxygen, you know, content by one degree,

698
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Speaker 12: there could be no life on the planet. If the

699
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Speaker 12: Earth we're a little bit closer to the Sun, we'd

700
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Speaker 12: all burn up. But you know that just happened randomly,

701
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Speaker 12: and you know it's spinning at a particular rate of

702
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Speaker 12: motion that enables us to stay on the planet. Oh,

703
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Speaker 12: there's this thing called gravity that you can't see, but

704
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Speaker 12: God created it to anchor us. I mean, all of

705
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Speaker 12: these things that have to be put in place that

706
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Speaker 12: when you talk with honest scientists and you ask them,

707
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Speaker 12: as I've done, could you please calculate for me the

708
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Speaker 12: probability that all of these things happened randomly, they can't

709
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Speaker 12: come up with a number for it. Wow. I mean,

710
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Speaker 12: it's virtually impossible because there's so many things that have

711
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Speaker 12: to align, that have to line up in order for

712
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Speaker 12: us to have life and to continue life. It's it's

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Speaker 12: it's nonsense to think that it would be spontaneous or random.

714
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Speaker 12: So you know, I mean, that's that's one area you

715
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Speaker 12: could go into. Other people say, you know, I don't

716
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Speaker 12: believe in God because I've read the Bible and he's

717
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Speaker 12: a god of wrath. Who would want an angry god.

718
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Speaker 12: It's like, well, okay, let's go back a little bit

719
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Speaker 12: before the wrath showed up, and let's figure out what

720
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Speaker 12: the rules are that were set by the person who

721
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Speaker 12: created you and everything else on the planet. And so

722
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Speaker 12: when you follow that story, what you find out is

723
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Speaker 12: he said, look, this is what I'm asking of you,

724
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Speaker 12: human beings. This is what I expect of you. And

725
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Speaker 12: when we chose, by the way, because of our feelings,

726
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Speaker 12: to disobey the rules that the creator of all things,

727
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Speaker 12: including us, gave us, and he gets angry about that,

728
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Speaker 12: who are we to say he should not be angry

729
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Speaker 12: with us. We decided that was the best thing for

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Speaker 12: us to do. We're a creation, we're not the creator.

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Speaker 12: And so you have to then think through, Okay, so

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Speaker 12: why is he angry? Because he's a god of love

733
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Speaker 12: and justice, and in order for him to remain that,

734
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Speaker 12: he has to follow through on the rules that he

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Speaker 12: gave us. He has to expect us to do the

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Speaker 12: things in the environment he placed us in in the

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Speaker 12: time that we're here, and according to his plan.

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Speaker 11: By the way, that is exactly what any healthy parent

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Speaker 11: child relationship looks like. They're doing the same thing.

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Speaker 12: It's what we call accountability. Yeah, you know. And so

741
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Speaker 12: for us to reject a god who is simply holding

742
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Speaker 12: us accountable to rules that he gave us for our

743
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Speaker 12: best interests. You know, he didn't make these up capriciously.

744
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Speaker 12: They were all done because this is what will enable

745
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Speaker 12: you to thrive and succeed and have joy and be blessed.

746
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Speaker 12: It's like, well, okay, we have a better plan, right, Really,

747
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Speaker 12: how's that working? So you know, those are some of

748
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Speaker 12: the reasons why people don't believe in God, and I

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Speaker 12: sympathize for people who are in that position, but I'd

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Speaker 12: ask them to not think with their heart, but to

751
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Speaker 12: think with their mind to put together the facts of

752
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Speaker 12: the situation, because whether you like facts or not, we

753
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Speaker 12: live according to facts. There is reality and there's fantasy.

754
00:38:56,719 --> 00:39:01,280
Speaker 12: If the heart leads us to fantasy leads us to reality.

755
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:04,279
Speaker 12: And so if you really want to understand whether there

756
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Speaker 12: is a God, what the nature of that God is,

757
00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:10,920
Speaker 12: use your mind don't go into fantasyland and you know,

758
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:15,239
Speaker 12: dream up this kind of existence that you wish existed.

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Speaker 12: That's not how it works.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to Turning Point tonight. We're together. We are

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Speaker 1: charting the course of America's cultural comeback. You can email

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Speaker 1: the show anytime you want, TPT at TPUSA dot com.

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Speaker 1: We love seeing all of your emails. We'll actually need

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Speaker 1: to get to a couple here in a second. You

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Speaker 1: fifty percent off general admission tickets to what I believe

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Speaker 1: is the best Turning Point event of the year. I

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Speaker 1: know I've been like I don't want to pick a favor.

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Speaker 1: It is now this is the favorite. America Fest is

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Speaker 1: objectively the best event Turning Point does every single year.

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Speaker 1: Get your tickets amfest dot com. It is unbelievable. The

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Speaker 1: speaker list. I know you've seen some commercials of this

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Speaker 1: speakers that are gonna be there, and it's a good.

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Speaker 1: It's good to embrace the community that we are the

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Speaker 1: conservative movement again. Infest dot com. Get your fifty percent

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Speaker 1: us TPT at TPUs A dot com and several of

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Speaker 1: you have done that. Kevin is a frequent correspondent that

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Speaker 1: lets just send us memes, and I feel like this

780
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Speaker 1: is just so funny. He's talking about specifically the Cracker

781
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Speaker 1: Barrel debacle with their whole rebrand. Check this out. Uh,

782
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Speaker 1: first meme, here is the Titanic, the old Cracker barrel

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Speaker 1: with nothing changed. And then oh no, it's the iceberg

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Speaker 1: of regret, the reband rebrand regret. There, good old Cracker

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Speaker 1: Barrel hitting the iceberg. You know. I hope Cracker Barrel

786
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Speaker 1: decize reverse course. What's the second one that he sent over? Uh?

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Speaker 1: This is there we go? Jeez, this is uh the

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Speaker 1: submersible new the en the CEO of Cracker Barrel captaining

789
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Speaker 1: this submersible. Hopefully, hopefully crackerl won't see the same fate

790
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Speaker 1: that that submersible did. But it's not looking great. It's

791
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Speaker 1: not looking They issued a statement the other day saying,

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Speaker 1: we are sorry that you hate this. It's now we're

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Speaker 1: gonna change it, but we're sorry that you hate it.

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Speaker 1: And I do hope they reverse course before we run

795
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Speaker 1: out of time here. I gotta play this. Kill mar

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Speaker 1: Abrego Garcia, although I can't imagine why we are continuing

797
00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:23,319
Speaker 1: to talk about them, Well, it's because I decided to.

798
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Speaker 1: So that's that's why we're talking about him outside his arrest.

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Speaker 1: The other day, libs do what libs do best, and

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Speaker 1: for some reason, that is sing together made up songs

801
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Speaker 1: about the thing that they're talking. Just watch this and

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Speaker 1: roll your eyes with me.

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Speaker 3: Kill you can't.

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Speaker 5: Have him, trum no kill Marus, you can't have it.

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Speaker 1: Do you ever feel embarrassment by proxy? Like, do you

806
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Speaker 1: ever watch somebody do something and you're like, oh, I

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00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:05,480
Speaker 1: hurt inside for that? That's what I feel like when

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Speaker 1: I watch those people. Those are like the Rapid Response Choir,

809
00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:13,000
Speaker 1: folks that show up. They literally have a name, the

810
00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:16,440
Speaker 1: Rapid Response Choir. They show up at different protests and

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Speaker 1: we're gonna sing a song, my favorite one. I don't

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Speaker 1: know if it's them, look up in your Spotify or

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Speaker 1: Apple Music archives. I don't think it's the Rapid Response Choir.

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Speaker 1: But the trust black women, they lead the way, it's

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Speaker 1: my favorite libs. What is happening here is that a

816
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Speaker 1: bunch of super old libs are trying to relive the

817
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Speaker 1: spark they felt by protesting the Vietnam War. Holy cal

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Speaker 1: We're out of time. Hey, Charlie's gonna take us out.

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Speaker 1: We'll see it tomorrow, same time, same place. God bless America.

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Speaker 6: Help spread the word about Turning Point Education to your community.

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Speaker 6: You know, people know Turning Point USA, they know Turning

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Speaker 6: Point Action, they're learning about TPUSA faith more. I think

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Speaker 6: we're a household name. Now we need to make Turning

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Speaker 6: Point Education a household name as well. So help us

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Speaker 6: with that. Everybody, help us spread the word. And they're

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Speaker 6: just doing such fabulous, fabulous work. I want to talk

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Speaker 6: about two things in particular, the first of which is

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Speaker 6: the greatest failure of modern education and what we should

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Speaker 6: do to fix it, and how far too often Christians

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Speaker 6: fall into the trap. Now I know you won't fall

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Speaker 6: into the trap because you heard from our wonderful Turning

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Speaker 6: Point Education gang. And then I'm going to talk to

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Speaker 6: just about some other real life implications. If you had

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Speaker 6: to distill the biggest problem in modern education, it goes

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Speaker 6: like this, It's that I do not want to impose

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Speaker 6: upon my kid anything specific. We're gonna have values neutral

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Speaker 6: education and we're just going to kind of raise them

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Speaker 6: with reading, writing, and arithmetic.

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Speaker 9: Will give them skills, but not values.

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Speaker 6: This has penetrated so many schools, including supposed Christian schools

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Speaker 6: in this country, and itself is actually a contradiction because

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Speaker 6: saying that you will not teach values is a statement

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Speaker 6: of value. There is no such thing as a valueless statement.

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Speaker 6: Everything has values laced into it. So to say that

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Speaker 6: we're not going to do morality or ethics is basically

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Speaker 6: saying that itself is a statement of morality and ethics.

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Speaker 6: Now understand how silly this is. And any environment when

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Speaker 6: you're raising children, any environment when you have human beings,

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Speaker 6: morals will always come through. So imagine if you're running

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Speaker 6: a fourth grade classroom and a kid steals a pencil,

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Speaker 6: does the teacher say that's perfectly fine. We don't do

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Speaker 6: moral judgments around here. If the kid starts bullying somebody else,

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Speaker 6: you know, we have anti bullying campaigns across the country,

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Speaker 6: while simultaneously we're told that the education system is only

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Speaker 6: about reading, writing, and arithmetic. Now here's the problem is

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Speaker 6: that we have successfully pushed back on the left and

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Speaker 6: the secular movement on DEI and wokeism and transgenderism, mainly

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Speaker 6: because when you fit, when you create a vacuum, when

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Speaker 6: you get rid of God, Christianity, Biblical truth, Western values,

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Speaker 6: and you say we're just going to be a value

861
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Speaker 6: agnostic education system. That's how you get DEI and you

862
00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:17,720
Speaker 6: get CRT because some viewpoint is going to fill that vacuum.

863
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Speaker 6: Nature abhors a vacuum, and so we have been led

864
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Speaker 6: by the you know, the whole idea of modernity that

865
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Speaker 6: these kids are just going to kind of figure it

866
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Speaker 6: out for themselves, and so then this other side fills

867
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Speaker 6: the void rather quickly.

868
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Speaker 9: How did this happen?

869
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Speaker 6: It happened because in the modern world, God is just

870
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Speaker 6: a guess. Judgment is the greatest sin, and self is God.

871
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Speaker 6: So think about it. Judgment is the greatest sin of

872
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Speaker 6: the modern world. And incorporated in Biblical Christian moral teaching

873
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Speaker 6: is an idea that there is a right or a wrong,

874
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Speaker 6: and a good and an evil and a standard of

875
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Speaker 6: ethical and moral behavior. That bothers some people because they're saying, well,

876
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Speaker 6: who are you to tell a fourth grader how to act?

877
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Speaker 6: That is the purpose of education, which is to tell

878
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Speaker 6: a fourth grader how to act. It's not a byproduct.

879
00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:12,719
Speaker 6: It is the mission statement. It is the primary thing.

880
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Speaker 6: And so what you've found in the secular West and

881
00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:23,400
Speaker 6: it's finally changing. Is we have skilled graduates with no values.

882
00:46:24,680 --> 00:46:28,120
Speaker 6: We have graduates that can write codes of AI, but

883
00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:31,799
Speaker 6: they have no character. They meant some of whom not

884
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Speaker 6: all of them, no stuff, but they have no idea

885
00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:39,600
Speaker 6: why they're actually here. They went through education and they

886
00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:42,960
Speaker 6: can tell you how, but they can't tell you why.

887
00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:47,239
Speaker 6: They can tell you what they can do, but they

888
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Speaker 6: don't tell you any of the implications behind it.

889
00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:51,719
Speaker 9: That is not education everybody.

890
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Speaker 6: That is something completely different, and far too often we

891
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Speaker 6: as Christians get very apprehensive because we feel as if

892
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Speaker 6: we do not want to be judgy or we don't

893
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Speaker 6: want to tell other people how to live everybody. We

894
00:47:06,080 --> 00:47:08,800
Speaker 6: should bring everybody to the truth of the Gospel. We

895
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Speaker 6: should bring everybody to the scriptures, and that starts in

896
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Speaker 6: Christian education. So the three questions, and you guys know

897
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Speaker 6: all of these questions, and education should be talking about

898
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Speaker 6: them all the time.

899
00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:23,920
Speaker 9: How did I get here? Why am I here? And

900
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Speaker 9: where am I going? That's it.

901
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Speaker 6: If you accomplish those three questions, it doesn't matter. If

902
00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:35,720
Speaker 6: they are struggling to be able to do the quadratic equation,

903
00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:38,960
Speaker 6: it's fine. We could teach them that eventually, but if

904
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Speaker 6: they know how did I get here?

905
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Speaker 9: Why am I here? And where am I going?

906
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Speaker 6: You have done a phenomenal job as an instructor as

907
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Speaker 6: a parent. What I find on campus is they can't

908
00:47:52,239 --> 00:47:55,759
Speaker 6: answer any of those questions, and each one leads to

909
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Speaker 6: the other. So what the modern world has tried to

910
00:47:58,640 --> 00:48:02,200
Speaker 6: do is they've t try to just only ask answer

911
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Speaker 6: the middle question and ignore the first and the third question.

912
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Speaker 6: So they'll say, well, you're here just to kind of

913
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Speaker 6: serve yourself. You're here to the most generous interpretation of

914
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Speaker 6: the Western secular world is.

915
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Speaker 9: Well, you're here to do good? Really, what is good? By?

916
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Speaker 9: What standard? Is it good? You're appealing to some transcendent standard?

917
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Speaker 9: What is good?

918
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Speaker 6: Oh, it's this common sense? Actually, no, it's not. Tell

919
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Speaker 6: me what is the good you're talking about? When in

920
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Speaker 6: reality you must say how did I get here? Well,

921
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Speaker 6: we know how we got here. We're creating the image

922
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Speaker 6: of God. We know that that God created the heavens

923
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Speaker 6: and the earth. We know why we are here, which

924
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Speaker 6: is the love God, and love people create disciples of

925
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Speaker 6: all nation and to know Jesus and to make him known.

926
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Speaker 6: And hopefully they know where we're going. So we answer

927
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Speaker 6: all three rather easily. The problem is is that in

928
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Speaker 6: the modern secular environment number one and number three they

929
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Speaker 6: say that is far too judgey, you're not allowed to

930
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Speaker 6: talk about it.

931
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Speaker 9: Now.

932
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Speaker 6: My life's work is mostly in the second question, not

933
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Speaker 6: the third.

934
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Speaker 9: I talk about the third a lot. I'm bringing people

935
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Speaker 9: to Jesus.

936
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Speaker 6: By the way, just this morning, you know, we had

937
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Speaker 6: over twenty five students give their life to the Lord

938
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Speaker 6: during the worship and praise concert this morning.

939
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Speaker 9: It's amazing.

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Speaker 6: Twenty five students went straight to the altar call. Isn't

941
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Speaker 6: that amazing? So we do plenty of that. But the

942
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Speaker 6: majority of my life's work is actually the purpose question,

943
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Speaker 6: Why are you here?

944
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Speaker 9: What do we do? And why do we do it now?

945
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Speaker 6: Part of the problem is that far too often, and

946
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Speaker 6: this is a good faith critique, modern evangelicalism spends way

947
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Speaker 6: too much time on the third question.

948
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Speaker 9: Where am I going?

949
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Speaker 6: That's important, But if you're only heaven focused and not

950
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Speaker 6: Earth focused, then you're actually not fulfilling what Jesus told

951
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Speaker 6: us to do. Now Separately, if you're only earth focused

952
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Speaker 6: and not Heaven focused, that is not at all what

953
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Speaker 6: Jesus wants us to do. Because his kingdom is not up.

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Speaker 9: This world