WEBVTT - The Marvelous MCU TV Shows of Disney+ 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:03.600 This podcast contains spoilers about the series WandaVision, Falcon in 0:00:03.640 --> 0:00:06.480 the Winter, Soldier Loki, and the film Black Widow, and 0:00:06.519 --> 0:00:08.799 only wat to the Watcher knows what else. We're gonna 0:00:08.800 --> 0:00:11.480 be talking about a lot of stuff, so you have 0:00:11.600 --> 0:00:25.919 been warned. And Nowlex re Vision, Hello and welcome to 0:00:25.960 --> 0:00:28.880 the debut episode of expert Vision, the Crooked Podcast, where 0:00:28.920 --> 0:00:31.520 we discuss all the happenings in the various nooks and 0:00:31.560 --> 0:00:35.080 Cranny's nerd culture joining me today. He's a writer on 0:00:35.200 --> 0:00:38.440 Rick and Morty on the upcoming She Hulk Show. 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So like we're thriving over here 0:01:30.160 --> 0:01:31.400 in a storic Filipino town. 0:01:31.600 --> 0:01:33.399 I absolutely love it, and the people love it, and 0:01:33.400 --> 0:01:35.399 the community is happy to have you as part of 0:01:35.680 --> 0:01:36.839 as their neighbors. 0:01:36.880 --> 0:01:40.400 Yeah, the skunks have welcomed me and now one of 0:01:40.440 --> 0:01:41.800 them at one of their own. 0:01:42.720 --> 0:01:47.600 Let's go to previously on our news segment. First up, 0:01:49.240 --> 0:01:53.160 the good people at Disney and Lucasfilm announced Star Wars 0:01:53.280 --> 0:01:56.080 Visions and dropped the trailer for Star Wars Visions and 0:01:56.080 --> 0:02:00.680 anthology series featuring nine short films produced by seven of 0:02:00.760 --> 0:02:06.800 the top Japanese anime studios around, including production ig of 0:02:06.840 --> 0:02:08.800 Ghosts in the Shell Fame. It arrives on Disney Plus 0:02:08.800 --> 0:02:15.760 September twenty second. This trailer had me so unbelievably excited. 0:02:16.480 --> 0:02:17.359 I was so hyphed. 0:02:17.639 --> 0:02:20.040 It's like if you could distill down every single thing 0:02:20.120 --> 0:02:22.280 that I love that brings joy in my heart. It's 0:02:22.360 --> 0:02:27.240 lightsabers and like fast paced, nigh incomprehensible anime showed in 0:02:27.240 --> 0:02:29.680 fight scenes. I want all of it injected directly into 0:02:29.680 --> 0:02:30.000 my vein. 0:02:30.240 --> 0:02:32.480 I also love that they were like, you know what, actually, 0:02:32.520 --> 0:02:35.840 Grievous was kind of an anime character. Now let's actually 0:02:35.840 --> 0:02:40.799 do it with this multi armed lightsaber wielding Jedi person. 0:02:41.240 --> 0:02:41.560 I am. 0:02:42.000 --> 0:02:47.519 It looks so unbelievably good and as Lucasfilm producer Josh 0:02:47.600 --> 0:02:50.720 Rhyme said, each studio has different styles and different tones, 0:02:50.760 --> 0:02:53.200 and that really came through in the trailer, like, yeah, Settle, 0:02:53.360 --> 0:02:58.480 each little snippet from each little short film has its 0:02:58.520 --> 0:02:59.200 own vibe. 0:02:59.200 --> 0:03:02.760 It's it's it's one of my favorite. I mean, they 0:03:02.760 --> 0:03:04.480 haven't done those in a while, Like I always love those, 0:03:04.520 --> 0:03:07.640 like like like Anthology animated series used to watch, Like 0:03:07.800 --> 0:03:10.200 I think Something Circus was one I remember watching the eighties, 0:03:10.240 --> 0:03:12.080 but it was like just a like four or five 0:03:12.120 --> 0:03:14.600 different shorts off from like the top directors at the 0:03:14.600 --> 0:03:16.680 time doing stuff, and like this is something that I 0:03:16.720 --> 0:03:18.720 haven't seen in a very long time, and I'm so 0:03:18.760 --> 0:03:20.880 stoked that they're just like taking these giant swings on 0:03:20.919 --> 0:03:23.760 Disney or I guess Disney Plus. But like Lucasfilm was like, yeah, 0:03:23.919 --> 0:03:26.200 we're gonna like this were based off Samurai film. Yeah, 0:03:26.240 --> 0:03:28.520 let's go back to like Tuitar, like the thing that 0:03:28.520 --> 0:03:30.040 that sort of kicked out all this stuff, and like, 0:03:30.400 --> 0:03:33.800 just give Studio trigger Blanche to make the wildest thing 0:03:33.800 --> 0:03:34.720 they want to possibly make. 0:03:35.240 --> 0:03:39.320 It's so so fun. Asian representation immediately increases by about 0:03:39.400 --> 0:03:40.640 thirty in. 0:03:40.680 --> 0:03:41.360 The Star Wars. 0:03:42.920 --> 0:03:44.360 Yeah, and it. 0:03:44.480 --> 0:03:47.760 Honestly looks so like you're the I mean, you know 0:03:47.800 --> 0:03:50.000 a lot more about anime than I do. What are 0:03:50.040 --> 0:03:54.920 your like, what are your touchstone pieces of of. 0:03:55.040 --> 0:03:57.360 Oh Boys story? I mean, hope you have forty forty 0:03:57.400 --> 0:03:59.480 five minutes. I'm gonna yell directly about them. Uh uh 0:04:00.080 --> 0:04:01.960 Astas I mean that's the ago, that's the one that 0:04:02.000 --> 0:04:04.440 got me into it. As soon as as Tunami dropped 0:04:04.440 --> 0:04:05.560 when I was like twelve, I was like, all right, 0:04:05.560 --> 0:04:07.000 this is gonna be my personality for the rest of 0:04:07.040 --> 0:04:07.320 my life. 0:04:07.360 --> 0:04:08.400 All Right, this is it. It's done. 0:04:08.920 --> 0:04:11.440 Uh, you know, I got that, you know, Cowboy Bebop 0:04:11.560 --> 0:04:14.040 just a great mix of like all the weird genre 0:04:14.040 --> 0:04:16.080 stuff and then just like oh they also are like 0:04:16.200 --> 0:04:17.960 it's like an X file and every people they do 0:04:18.000 --> 0:04:20.000 it do a weird thing. And and and then I 0:04:20.040 --> 0:04:22.239 got I gotta hold it down for Mobile Studit Gundam, 0:04:22.600 --> 0:04:24.240 I cannot. I would be remissed if I didn't mention 0:04:24.360 --> 0:04:27.800 my giant love for Mechs if I've asked about the anime. 0:04:28.040 --> 0:04:30.120 So like there's like my three favorite series, but like 0:04:30.520 --> 0:04:33.120 like just the animation, Like I just like I loved Eva, 0:04:33.240 --> 0:04:35.359 Like I just watched the last Ava and like no 0:04:35.400 --> 0:04:37.839 spoils about the movie, but like the animation is fantastic, 0:04:37.880 --> 0:04:39.760 and like one of my favorite things about animation is 0:04:39.800 --> 0:04:41.640 that like you can do so much with it, Like 0:04:41.680 --> 0:04:43.279 they have like the two D stuff they have, the 0:04:43.320 --> 0:04:46.120 three D stuff they have like live action with like 0:04:46.240 --> 0:04:48.560 animation mixed over it. And like I love when like 0:04:48.600 --> 0:04:51.120 studios get to like let lose because I think from 0:04:51.120 --> 0:04:53.279 the West, from a Western perspective, we're used to like 0:04:53.279 --> 0:04:56.719 you know, Bob's Burgers, Simpson's like very like stripped down 0:04:56.760 --> 0:04:58.560 and like so you see when you get things like 0:04:58.640 --> 0:05:01.880 primal or even like two d original Clone Wars series 0:05:01.920 --> 0:05:05.880 and they just fucking go all out for animation. You're like, oh, wow, yeah, 0:05:05.920 --> 0:05:08.320 this is it, this is what I want. This is interesting. 0:05:08.400 --> 0:05:10.600 It's nice getting that that that the you know, that 0:05:10.680 --> 0:05:13.920 shot of nitrous and into like our our cinematic viewing 0:05:13.960 --> 0:05:16.080 when it comes to animations. I'm so I'm so over 0:05:16.120 --> 0:05:17.640 the moon for this. I cannot wait. I hope they 0:05:17.680 --> 0:05:20.680 get eight hundred million seasons of this, and this is 0:05:20.720 --> 0:05:22.000 something that comes out every year. 0:05:22.200 --> 0:05:26.000 It feels like a thing that kind of obviously it's 0:05:26.040 --> 0:05:28.600 in some form of fashion like a test run, but. 0:05:28.640 --> 0:05:29.800 Like, yeah, this is gonna hit. 0:05:30.240 --> 0:05:33.599 Yeah, Like I've never been more convinced that a thing 0:05:33.680 --> 0:05:35.880 will hit, Like there will be there's a built in 0:05:36.000 --> 0:05:38.160 audience that is gonna snort this. 0:05:38.640 --> 0:05:38.919 Yeah. 0:05:39.080 --> 0:05:41.520 Stock is at an all time high for weeb nonsense, 0:05:41.560 --> 0:05:43.720 and this is exactly what what we need right now. 0:05:43.800 --> 0:05:44.200 Yeah. 0:05:44.360 --> 0:05:48.120 The Spider Man trailer dropped after twenty four hours in 0:05:48.240 --> 0:05:55.040 which someone associated with the VFX production maybe leaked a 0:05:55.480 --> 0:05:56.920 video of. 0:05:56.839 --> 0:05:59.800 A phone that was playing the trailer. 0:06:00.279 --> 0:06:02.920 That person has probably been sniped by Kevin Feigey and 0:06:02.960 --> 0:06:05.640 their body has been shipped to a black site somewhere, 0:06:06.000 --> 0:06:09.080 but let's talk about it, because the trailer was super 0:06:09.080 --> 0:06:12.920 exciting and has a lot of people talking, and man, 0:06:13.040 --> 0:06:15.520 I just can't believe like the audacity to be like, 0:06:16.040 --> 0:06:17.240 let's do one More Day. 0:06:18.200 --> 0:06:22.400 Yeah, Yeah, enormous swing on their part. No one's coming, 0:06:22.800 --> 0:06:24.800 Like I'd been in that building and like I didn't 0:06:24.839 --> 0:06:27.040 see that one coming. I was like, this stuff great. 0:06:27.400 --> 0:06:29.440 I'd not say they picked the one the most divisive 0:06:29.480 --> 0:06:30.800 Spider Man story. You'd be like, you know what, We're 0:06:30.800 --> 0:06:32.320 gonna make this great. 0:06:32.880 --> 0:06:35.600 So let's say so let me add some context here. 0:06:35.640 --> 0:06:37.600 One More Day in the wake of Civil War. 0:06:39.839 --> 0:06:45.080 Civil War the storyline in which Spider Man's identity is 0:06:45.160 --> 0:06:51.400 revealed in one of the great like shock cliffhanger pages, 0:06:51.600 --> 0:06:55.560 like in recent Marvel history, He's a Spider Man, unmasks 0:06:55.760 --> 0:06:57.760 Tony Stark standing behind him. 0:06:58.480 --> 0:07:00.160 Uh and one More Day? 0:07:00.279 --> 0:07:04.360 Was it like kind of attempt to deal with the 0:07:04.440 --> 0:07:10.200 fallout from that. Obviously Spider Man had guarded his secret 0:07:10.240 --> 0:07:13.680 identity quite closely, and all his enemies are like, oh, 0:07:13.680 --> 0:07:16.440 it's open season on Peter Parker now, so how do we. 0:07:16.360 --> 0:07:16.800 Deal with this? 0:07:16.880 --> 0:07:21.040 So one way they dealt with it was make a 0:07:21.080 --> 0:07:24.040 deal with Mephisto. Literally the Devil, the Marvel's version of 0:07:24.040 --> 0:07:28.160 the Devil to erase this from happening in exchange for 0:07:28.680 --> 0:07:33.120 Peter and Mary Jane's marriage breaking up. 0:07:33.480 --> 0:07:33.760 Yeah. 0:07:33.800 --> 0:07:38.280 This was then recontextualized again by Joe Cassada as kind 0:07:38.280 --> 0:07:42.320 of like doctor Strange getting involved and making everybody forget 0:07:42.920 --> 0:07:45.480 and they're just doing it. Man, it's wild. They're doing 0:07:45.520 --> 0:07:48.320 this shit, as you mentioned, extremely divisive. 0:07:49.160 --> 0:07:51.360 Yeah, I love that one. 0:07:52.120 --> 0:07:53.640 This is the one, Like this is the character that 0:07:53.680 --> 0:07:56.040 they got back, probably the latest, I'd say, like, I mean, 0:07:56.080 --> 0:07:58.440 I guess Fantastic four, but like in the cultural like 0:07:58.480 --> 0:08:00.520 Phase three and four, like Spidy is the last one 0:08:00.520 --> 0:08:02.400 they got back. And not only is it the one 0:08:02.400 --> 0:08:04.360 that they got back, they're beating everyone to the punch 0:08:04.400 --> 0:08:07.840 with doing the first multiverse movie, like Justice League attempted it, 0:08:08.800 --> 0:08:11.160 and I'm sure they feel a little undercut now that 0:08:11.200 --> 0:08:13.200 they know that they're doing the flash one that has 0:08:13.360 --> 0:08:15.440 all the different Batman's. But like this is the one 0:08:15.440 --> 0:08:17.440 that I'm personally most stoked about. Like I love that 0:08:17.440 --> 0:08:19.400 they were finally being like all right, it opens up 0:08:19.440 --> 0:08:21.480 so many doors. It's like, all right, besides, just like 0:08:21.560 --> 0:08:24.200 Sony shit, like does it mean that like Fox stuff 0:08:24.240 --> 0:08:26.600 that they now have. Can they get in like can 0:08:26.680 --> 0:08:30.480 the Netflix people like is punched. We're gonna show up 0:08:30.720 --> 0:08:32.319 in court, like what's gonna happen? 0:08:32.600 --> 0:08:35.199 I mean it feels like, you know, X Men on deck, 0:08:35.520 --> 0:08:39.839 but so pretty much this is confirmed. Right, We're going 0:08:39.880 --> 0:08:42.960 to see Alfred Molinas in the trailer, so he's there, 0:08:44.200 --> 0:08:51.000 major villain from the original Spider Man movies. We're gonna 0:08:51.000 --> 0:08:53.920 see the Green Goblin. We see a pumpkin bomb in there, 0:08:54.280 --> 0:08:57.840 we see the fallout for what we imagine as an 0:08:57.880 --> 0:09:01.959 attack by Electro, and we see like the silhouette of 0:09:02.320 --> 0:09:06.600 the Sandman seeming like he's protecting Peter. Actually yeah, and 0:09:06.640 --> 0:09:10.520 then of course Vulture already in the movies. So we've 0:09:10.559 --> 0:09:13.320 basically got the Sinister Six on deck. 0:09:15.160 --> 0:09:16.160 This is wild. Now. 0:09:16.360 --> 0:09:20.880 In the comics, Peter only beats the Sinister Six two ways. 0:09:21.440 --> 0:09:25.800 The first way is the Sinister Six are legitimately fucking 0:09:25.960 --> 0:09:30.840 morons and they're like, yo, let's I know we got together, 0:09:31.320 --> 0:09:34.520 all six of us, but let's attack Peter one by one. 0:09:34.840 --> 0:09:38.679 Yeah, yeah, yeah's a big final kung fu fight energy, Like, 0:09:38.679 --> 0:09:40.240 all right, we're gonna take this guy on one at 0:09:40.280 --> 0:09:42.160 a time. He's gonna kick us in the face, and 0:09:42.200 --> 0:09:44.800 then then we're gonna be defeated. Yeah, it's they never 0:09:44.840 --> 0:09:47.200 really stick the landing when it comes to beating Peter Parker. 0:09:47.520 --> 0:09:48.319 So that's the one way. 0:09:48.360 --> 0:09:51.120 And then the second way is he gets back up 0:09:51.200 --> 0:09:55.079 now strange doctor Strange in the movie doing doctor Strange shit, 0:09:55.200 --> 0:09:56.560 doing typical doctor Strange. 0:09:56.920 --> 0:09:58.880 I'm kind of a scumbag ego maniac. 0:09:59.920 --> 0:10:03.360 Me flick up the whole status quote for you real quick, right, 0:10:03.440 --> 0:10:05.880 And it's not even like I'm helping Peter. 0:10:06.280 --> 0:10:08.640 It's more like Wong told me not to do it, 0:10:08.720 --> 0:10:09.960 so I'm fuck do it. 0:10:10.400 --> 0:10:13.120 Yeah, yeah, like all right, I'm all right, I give 0:10:13.160 --> 0:10:14.679 you a mulligan on the time. Fool me once I 0:10:14.760 --> 0:10:16.960 messed up with the timestone right right, second time, I 0:10:16.960 --> 0:10:18.880 can do the multiverse that I got locked in the back. 0:10:18.920 --> 0:10:19.240 I got it. 0:10:19.360 --> 0:10:19.520 King. 0:10:19.960 --> 0:10:23.920 They must like divert him somehow, right like sea way 0:10:23.960 --> 0:10:25.920 through the movie, he has to go away because he's 0:10:26.040 --> 0:10:29.240 too op like as well, like he would just like 0:10:29.280 --> 0:10:31.240 snap his fingers and then all of Sudder's six just 0:10:31.280 --> 0:10:32.640 go to like some hell dimension. 0:10:33.160 --> 0:10:33.439 Yeah. 0:10:33.679 --> 0:10:35.960 I imagining like he's gonna get sucked aside pretty quickly. 0:10:36.040 --> 0:10:37.320 He's like he's a guy that can like do his 0:10:37.360 --> 0:10:40.040 little gang signs and just makes dock Hawk's arms disappear. 0:10:40.120 --> 0:10:42.840 Like I'm imagining he's gonna get sucked away and then 0:10:42.840 --> 0:10:44.920 like we'll see what happens with him in the Multiverse 0:10:44.960 --> 0:10:48.480 of Madness Doctor Strange's second movie, and like that'll explain everything, 0:10:48.480 --> 0:10:50.720 because yeah, he embarrassing everybody in that center to sticks 0:10:50.800 --> 0:10:52.640 real quick. It'd be a one act movie. It'd be 0:10:52.679 --> 0:10:54.080 in and out. You know, it'd be very short. 0:10:54.640 --> 0:10:56.560 Let me ask you, people, like, there's a lot of 0:10:56.679 --> 0:10:57.679 everys's wander vision. 0:10:57.760 --> 0:10:59.360 It's a lot of like Mephisto. 0:11:00.520 --> 0:11:01.240 Uh, I'm a. 0:11:01.160 --> 0:11:03.559 Fystem, a fystem I don't And people are like, man, 0:11:03.640 --> 0:11:04.680 is this the real Strange? 0:11:04.760 --> 0:11:07.960 Is he Mephisto? He's why would he be this reckless? 0:11:08.440 --> 0:11:11.720 Yeah, like doctor Strange, not in the comics, is a 0:11:11.760 --> 0:11:16.280 reckless guy. His character loop is basically, oh, let me 0:11:16.360 --> 0:11:19.520 fool with this demonic shit to get something done, and 0:11:19.559 --> 0:11:22.360 then oh no, the fallout from the demonic shit, and 0:11:22.400 --> 0:11:26.440 then finally I've learned my lesson. I'm not gonna fuck 0:11:26.440 --> 0:11:29.640 with the demonic shit anymore, and then the cycle begins again. 0:11:30.080 --> 0:11:34.560 But unless right, notably, you know, in World War Hulk, 0:11:34.679 --> 0:11:37.640 he like drinks the vial of Zomb in order to 0:11:37.679 --> 0:11:39.839 deal with the Lulk and then has to deal with 0:11:39.880 --> 0:11:42.319 the old fallout from like being possessed by Zomb. 0:11:42.080 --> 0:11:42.560 For a while. 0:11:43.120 --> 0:11:46.520 But like in the movies, the ancient one is like Stephen, 0:11:47.000 --> 0:11:50.800 don't like steal books, don't fuck with time, don't do 0:11:50.920 --> 0:11:53.400 all that shit. And then Steven's like, I'm gonna do 0:11:53.480 --> 0:11:56.760 it anyway, and then succeeds like he learned the. 0:11:56.800 --> 0:11:59.000 Exact opposite lesson of what everybody told him to. 0:11:59.520 --> 0:12:02.040 So now when it comes time to push the envelope, 0:12:02.520 --> 0:12:06.079 Doctor Stranger one hundred gonna push the envelope and and 0:12:06.600 --> 0:12:09.920 Wong's warning not to do it is anything. 0:12:10.600 --> 0:12:13.080 Yeah, like his biggest, biggest character with this, Thus Fards 0:12:13.120 --> 0:12:15.920 giving Denos the timestone, It's like, hey, trust me, it's 0:12:15.920 --> 0:12:17.400 gonna work out in the end. It's gonna take a 0:12:17.400 --> 0:12:18.800 couple of years to get there, but trust me, we're 0:12:18.800 --> 0:12:20.559 going to take the landing even though everyone told him 0:12:20.600 --> 0:12:22.720 not to do it. So like that's that's really built 0:12:22.720 --> 0:12:24.839 into his cinematic character quality, Like that's his arc is 0:12:24.880 --> 0:12:25.800 being an ericon ansehole. 0:12:26.360 --> 0:12:31.680 Now, some fun little tidbits from the trailer as Peter 0:12:31.840 --> 0:12:34.760 is being interrogated by Stewie from Succession. 0:12:35.080 --> 0:12:38.080 Yeah, yeah, yeah, you don't see the bottle of coke 0:12:38.160 --> 0:12:39.880 right under his gun holster. 0:12:41.040 --> 0:12:44.200 We see that Stewie belongs to an agency called the DODC, 0:12:44.360 --> 0:12:48.120 the Department of Damage CROLL, which is a public private 0:12:48.320 --> 0:12:52.120 partnership between Stark Industries and the government to basically like 0:12:52.640 --> 0:12:56.400 clean up damage. It's one of the great Like Tony 0:12:56.480 --> 0:12:58.719 Stark is actually one of the biggest pieces of shit 0:12:58.800 --> 0:13:01.319 in the Marvel University. He has figured out a way 0:13:01.480 --> 0:13:05.280 to monetize the destruction that he himself is responsible for. 0:13:06.360 --> 0:13:08.160 He puts money back in his own pocket whenever he 0:13:08.200 --> 0:13:10.000 boots up a new Iron Man. So it's great. Yeah, 0:13:10.080 --> 0:13:10.520 I love it. 0:13:10.600 --> 0:13:14.120 You know, no notes, it's no notes at all. It's 0:13:14.160 --> 0:13:15.480 absolutely unbelievable. 0:13:15.840 --> 0:13:20.040 Let's see what else we have MJ and Peter chilling 0:13:20.080 --> 0:13:23.040 on the roof of Midtown School of Science and Technology 0:13:23.080 --> 0:13:25.800 with MJ, which is with MJ kind of making a 0:13:25.840 --> 0:13:28.720 reference to Jessica Drew aka Spider Woman, who will be 0:13:28.960 --> 0:13:31.640 in into the Spider Verse two played by Isa Ray 0:13:31.720 --> 0:13:33.560 of course not a Marvel movie. 0:13:33.720 --> 0:13:33.880 Yep. 0:13:34.200 --> 0:13:37.760 We see the Black Spider Man uniform which uh is, 0:13:38.679 --> 0:13:40.480 how did I can't wait for him to pop this 0:13:40.520 --> 0:13:40.960 one out? 0:13:41.240 --> 0:13:42.400 Yeah? Yeah? 0:13:42.480 --> 0:13:45.040 I Also I can never trust these trailers because with 0:13:45.160 --> 0:13:47.080 the remember what the in game trailers like, they just 0:13:47.120 --> 0:13:49.760 fully threw in characters that just weren't not dressed the same. 0:13:49.800 --> 0:13:51.720 So like, I'm like, is that actually in the movie? 0:13:51.720 --> 0:13:53.120 Is it gonna be something different? Like are they just 0:13:53.160 --> 0:13:55.600 gonna use their crack VFX team to put another suit 0:13:55.640 --> 0:13:56.640 on them or what the deal is? 0:13:56.720 --> 0:13:57.480 One hundred percent? 0:13:57.520 --> 0:13:59.480 Like, there's a there's a part of this trailer where 0:14:00.280 --> 0:14:02.800 is talking to someone who is in a car. That 0:14:02.880 --> 0:14:08.280 person looks to be completely like photoshopped in over somebody else. 0:14:09.000 --> 0:14:12.520 Like who is Peter actually talking to? 0:14:13.320 --> 0:14:15.600 That is the question because that is one hundred percent 0:14:15.720 --> 0:14:19.000 not gonna be who he's talking to. The big theory 0:14:19.160 --> 0:14:24.640 is that, in addition to the Sony villains definitely being 0:14:24.680 --> 0:14:31.160 in this, will we see the previous Spider dudes? Will 0:14:31.200 --> 0:14:35.720 we see Andrew Garfield? Could we also possibly see Charlie 0:14:35.760 --> 0:14:41.840 Cox from Daredevil aligning the Netflix Marvel multi versus. That 0:14:41.920 --> 0:14:45.640 has not been confirmed at all, But what do you 0:14:45.680 --> 0:14:48.200 think Spider Ham? Could we see Spider Could we see 0:14:48.360 --> 0:14:49.400 Spider Ham in here? 0:14:49.880 --> 0:14:52.520 Yeah, we're gonna see nor Spider Man. He's gonna swing through, 0:14:52.840 --> 0:14:55.160 deliver a couple of downbeat jokes, then swing out. 0:14:55.240 --> 0:14:56.480 Uh, I don't know. 0:14:56.680 --> 0:14:59.080 I can only guess with the multiverse have carte blanche, 0:14:59.120 --> 0:15:03.120 and it seems like they basically own everything Marvel side 0:15:03.280 --> 0:15:06.160 except for Sony stuff, you know, outside of the deal 0:15:06.240 --> 0:15:08.200 they just worked out with them. I feel like you 0:15:08.200 --> 0:15:09.800 can do anything, like I would love to mean, they're 0:15:09.800 --> 0:15:11.800 in New York, like I'm I'm part of me is 0:15:11.800 --> 0:15:14.240 wondering if like they're gonna use this as like, you know, 0:15:14.280 --> 0:15:17.080 our universe, like, oh, we have depowered Jessica Jones, we 0:15:17.080 --> 0:15:20.480 have depowered power Man, and maybe we'll maybe in this 0:15:20.600 --> 0:15:22.880 universe that we go to with Andrew Garfield will see 0:15:22.880 --> 0:15:25.960 Oh there's like the actual powered version of of you know, 0:15:25.960 --> 0:15:28.080 whoever character is in it. Like maybe that's how they're 0:15:28.080 --> 0:15:31.000 getting around loophole because it seems like a true combic fashion. 0:15:31.000 --> 0:15:32.960 Now they have an infinite blake check with an infinite 0:15:33.000 --> 0:15:34.840 mountain of zeros that they can cash whenever they want to. 0:15:35.520 --> 0:15:37.840 Uh, yeah, this was super fun. 0:15:38.560 --> 0:15:42.160 What is your wildless theory of what might possibly happen 0:15:42.160 --> 0:15:42.760 in this movie? 0:15:42.880 --> 0:15:44.200 Oh boy, okay. 0:15:44.480 --> 0:15:48.000 I think, uh, Peter is gonna get stuck in the 0:15:48.080 --> 0:15:50.600 Sony verse, like he's gonna be completely cut out from 0:15:50.600 --> 0:15:51.160 the mc years. 0:15:51.200 --> 0:15:53.040 He's gonna be sticking. He's gonna drop in. It's like 0:15:53.000 --> 0:15:54.000 a porter's gonna open up. 0:15:54.040 --> 0:15:56.640 He's gonna fall into like a crab shack outside of 0:15:56.680 --> 0:15:59.320 San Francisco and see Eddie Brock Pulp and a Mercy. 0:15:59.320 --> 0:16:00.960 I be like you would have come with us, and 0:16:00.960 --> 0:16:03.080 then like they're gonna ride off into like the sunset. 0:16:03.160 --> 0:16:06.040 That's my That's my wildest big swing pitch for like 0:16:06.280 --> 0:16:09.200 how they get around getting Peter back into the MCU. 0:16:09.960 --> 0:16:15.520 My wildest big swing pitch is Ultimate Universe, Ultimate spier 0:16:15.560 --> 0:16:21.960 Man Peter Parker spoiler like is grievously wounded taking out 0:16:21.960 --> 0:16:25.840 the Sinister Six, and in the kind of like converging 0:16:25.880 --> 0:16:29.560 of multi verses, we get Miles Morales introduced into the MCU. 0:16:30.320 --> 0:16:33.480 Boy Boy. 0:16:33.520 --> 0:16:35.800 At the last fifteen minutes, I see a fucking black 0:16:35.840 --> 0:16:38.640 Puerto Rican kid pull up the last game over. I'm 0:16:38.680 --> 0:16:41.000 doing three laps around that theater. It's game over. B 0:16:41.400 --> 0:16:44.560 You're never seeing me again. I'm done. I'm just gonna 0:16:44.600 --> 0:16:46.520 be living that. I'm gonna live at the Vista. It's 0:16:46.520 --> 0:16:47.240 gonna be game over. 0:16:48.200 --> 0:16:52.520 I cannot wait for this movie will be released December seventeenth, 0:16:52.840 --> 0:16:56.720 twenty twenty one. See y' all there, and then finally 0:16:57.400 --> 0:17:02.680 seemingly responded to Bob Jpex's y Chi's an interesting experiment comment, 0:17:02.720 --> 0:17:06.120 The Disney CEO revealed on an investor call that hunk 0:17:06.160 --> 0:17:09.560 Chi would only appear in theaters, it was not going 0:17:09.600 --> 0:17:12.439 to be streaming, much like the Black Widow strategy of 0:17:12.480 --> 0:17:16.320 a few weeks back, and then he characterized that kind 0:17:16.320 --> 0:17:19.360 of rollout as an interesting experiment. The shunk Chi star 0:17:19.440 --> 0:17:21.639 fired back on social media, writing in part quote, we 0:17:21.680 --> 0:17:22.520 are not an experiment. 0:17:22.560 --> 0:17:24.560 We are the underdog. We are underestimated. We are the 0:17:24.600 --> 0:17:25.360 ceiling breakers. 0:17:25.640 --> 0:17:29.600 It ended there clearly, like all sides decided, Okay, that's enough, 0:17:29.920 --> 0:17:32.000 go to your corners and let's launch this movie. 0:17:32.359 --> 0:17:34.919 Yeah. 0:17:35.160 --> 0:17:37.240 That screams like one of those things where like, even 0:17:37.240 --> 0:17:39.240 with the best context, it's one of the things you like, 0:17:39.440 --> 0:17:41.439 maybe you just shouldn't have said that out louder. You 0:17:41.440 --> 0:17:43.840 should not have left the confines of whatever zoom call 0:17:43.920 --> 0:17:46.080 you had. He's not going to do anything but poison 0:17:46.240 --> 0:17:47.040 the good will. 0:17:48.400 --> 0:17:51.680 Just like, let's be as careful as we can as 0:17:51.680 --> 0:17:56.840 we launched this film speaking of shang Chi. So the 0:17:56.880 --> 0:18:00.719 premiere was here in Hollywood at the you know, up 0:18:00.720 --> 0:18:04.159 on Hollywood Boulevard, at the l CAPI ten and the 0:18:04.200 --> 0:18:09.680 famous Manchinese Theater. And okay, so this is a story 0:18:09.720 --> 0:18:11.520 I told on social media and I'm gonna tell it 0:18:11.520 --> 0:18:13.320 here now to give it the full context. 0:18:13.359 --> 0:18:13.679 Okay. 0:18:14.520 --> 0:18:18.600 I received an email saying, hey, you've been confirmed invited 0:18:18.720 --> 0:18:21.080 for and I'll admit it does say in the subject 0:18:21.160 --> 0:18:24.280 line the shan Chep Premiere. 0:18:24.560 --> 0:18:24.919 Okay. 0:18:24.960 --> 0:18:26.760 And then it was a whole lot of text about 0:18:26.760 --> 0:18:29.359 stuff with like and it's one of those pr emails 0:18:29.359 --> 0:18:31.960 where like certain things are highlighted to let you know 0:18:32.000 --> 0:18:34.359 it's important cause there's so much text. And most of 0:18:34.400 --> 0:18:37.119 the stuff those highlighted was like what time to arrive, 0:18:37.280 --> 0:18:40.960 where to go so that you can check in? I thought, 0:18:41.840 --> 0:18:43.399 and again I just scanned the email. This is a 0:18:43.480 --> 0:18:46.439 hundred present my fault. I thought, Okay, this is just 0:18:46.480 --> 0:18:49.919 like a screening or it's one of those screenings that 0:18:49.960 --> 0:18:53.919 happens in parallel with the premiere. When Rise of Skywalker launched, 0:18:54.000 --> 0:18:59.080 right there was like the premiere and they had screenings 0:18:59.080 --> 0:19:01.960 that were going on at the same time across the street, 0:19:02.000 --> 0:19:04.600 and you didn't have to walk the red carpet to 0:19:04.680 --> 0:19:07.719 get your credential to go into like the press screening 0:19:07.800 --> 0:19:10.440 all that stuff and just knee jerk. 0:19:10.480 --> 0:19:11.280 I assumed it was that. 0:19:11.400 --> 0:19:14.040 And then I invited my friend Sean right and I 0:19:14.480 --> 0:19:16.159 forwarded him the email here's where. 0:19:16.040 --> 0:19:18.480 You got to go. He didn't flag anything. 0:19:18.880 --> 0:19:24.120 So I show up at Hollywood and Orange and I'm 0:19:24.200 --> 0:19:31.960 in black workout shorts, a black hard Boiled T shirt 0:19:32.200 --> 0:19:38.600 the John Woo movie Hard Boiled, a black like baseball cap. 0:19:39.240 --> 0:19:42.119 I got a little Man Bagget's from Tomorrowlan, who's a 0:19:42.200 --> 0:19:44.679 Japanese brand. And then I'm wearing and this is the 0:19:44.720 --> 0:19:49.760 toughest part, admittedly, and I'm wearing Adidas slides, no socks, and. 0:19:50.800 --> 0:19:52.920 Go ahead, I just I mean, I said this under 0:19:52.920 --> 0:19:56.120 the tweet. But drip God, drip god, Jason came through. 0:19:56.160 --> 0:19:57.800 You killed that game. I love it like I love 0:19:58.080 --> 0:19:59.399 I love the cadsun and stuff it. I love that 0:19:59.400 --> 0:20:01.120 you made a statement. I got no notes I would 0:20:01.440 --> 0:20:02.560 think ELD be this. 0:20:03.440 --> 0:20:04.399 I appreciate it. 0:20:05.160 --> 0:20:07.360 And then the slides are the toughest part, not only 0:20:07.359 --> 0:20:10.800 because it's like no socks on the red carpet and slides. 0:20:11.080 --> 0:20:13.359 But it was like these are the slides I wear 0:20:13.480 --> 0:20:15.520 to like go run get the mail. Like they're not 0:20:16.400 --> 0:20:18.760 they're not in good shape, you know what I mean, 0:20:18.840 --> 0:20:20.200 Like they're not doing great. 0:20:20.280 --> 0:20:21.840 They seen some miles, they've seen some stuff. 0:20:22.560 --> 0:20:25.119 The shread is worn down on those. 0:20:25.600 --> 0:20:28.320 And then my friend Sean was in like bur like 0:20:28.359 --> 0:20:31.920 birkenstock clogs, white socks. 0:20:32.280 --> 0:20:33.600 This is actually kind. 0:20:33.400 --> 0:20:38.600 Of very comfortable, like Uniclo like wool blend cotton. Oh yes, 0:20:38.800 --> 0:20:41.359 yeah yeah, and then an a twenty four T shirt 0:20:41.440 --> 0:20:44.280 like a studio not the studio releasing a movie that 0:20:45.760 --> 0:20:48.080 we get there, and so we're waiting at will call 0:20:48.840 --> 0:20:52.600 and we go in and we got you know, presented 0:20:52.600 --> 0:20:55.000 our credentials, got all our stuff, showed our vaccination status, 0:20:55.000 --> 0:20:58.000 et cetera. I got our things and then realized that 0:20:58.280 --> 0:21:02.240 the only way to go, like security was set up 0:21:02.280 --> 0:21:04.240 in such a way that we had to walk the 0:21:04.280 --> 0:21:08.040 red carpet to get to the movie. And so I 0:21:08.119 --> 0:21:10.080 got in and the first person like right to my 0:21:10.200 --> 0:21:11.359 left is like Benedict Wong. 0:21:11.440 --> 0:21:13.480 People are taking pictures of him. He's right there. 0:21:13.720 --> 0:21:16.440 I look up on the platform like maybe twenty feet 0:21:16.440 --> 0:21:20.520 away is Simoulu being interviewed, Like we're walking there and 0:21:20.680 --> 0:21:25.320 we look like dog shit. Now I want to say 0:21:25.320 --> 0:21:29.119 that it was both not as bad and kind of 0:21:29.160 --> 0:21:32.040 worse than it seems through social media. In the sense 0:21:32.080 --> 0:21:33.520 that it was not as bad. It was not as 0:21:33.520 --> 0:21:36.879 bad because nobody paid any attention. Nobody'd like notice there 0:21:36.880 --> 0:21:38.080 were cause players there. 0:21:38.160 --> 0:21:38.720 Nobody cared. 0:21:38.760 --> 0:21:40.880 And also, like you know how it is like la 0:21:41.400 --> 0:21:44.560 fashion rules are that the person who's dressed down the 0:21:44.560 --> 0:21:47.480 most is like the richest person, the most important person. 0:21:47.359 --> 0:21:49.760 About to say yeah, so you lucked out because of streetwear, 0:21:49.840 --> 0:21:52.840 Like he came through like when I'm I'm looking at 0:21:52.880 --> 0:21:55.040 the picture like right now on my giant widescreen, and 0:21:55.080 --> 0:21:57.359 I'm like, oh, this guy is so comfortable. He's his 0:21:57.480 --> 0:21:59.560 What the subtext is like, this ain't no big deal 0:21:59.560 --> 0:22:01.359 because we get six more of these beautiful movies some 0:22:01.359 --> 0:22:02.640 shang cheap babies, so it's all good. 0:22:02.760 --> 0:22:04.199 We're just rolling through and I love it. I love 0:22:04.240 --> 0:22:05.080 the casual energy. 0:22:05.840 --> 0:22:06.360 That's right. 0:22:06.480 --> 0:22:09.720 So but on the other hand, it was worse in 0:22:09.840 --> 0:22:12.119 that I mean we were right there, like I walked 0:22:12.119 --> 0:22:14.920 by Ben Kingsley like it was and then we get 0:22:14.960 --> 0:22:20.199 inside the theater and they're streaming the presentation, like you know, 0:22:20.280 --> 0:22:23.760 the red carpet stuff, directly to the screen, so I 0:22:23.760 --> 0:22:27.680 could see, I could imagine what we looked like walking 0:22:28.440 --> 0:22:31.120 in the background of like these shots, and I was like, Yo, this. 0:22:31.160 --> 0:22:35.439 Was someone would definitely Oh, that's got to be the director. 0:22:35.480 --> 0:22:37.199 He's like a tike. He's got like a chill, like 0:22:37.280 --> 0:22:40.240 low key vibe like that someone was you. You probably 0:22:40.240 --> 0:22:41.920 got some brownie points in that or in that end. 0:22:41.920 --> 0:22:44.159 So like glass half full, I think I think I 0:22:44.160 --> 0:22:46.240 think you played the right card. Honestly, I would have 0:22:46.240 --> 0:22:47.800 pulled up in the exact same fit. To be honest 0:22:47.840 --> 0:22:51.560 with you, like short, short sides out maybe as you know, 0:22:52.240 --> 0:22:54.480 let's go, let's let's let's let's go take it on an adventure. 0:22:55.119 --> 0:22:59.160 Well, the lesson is, folks, just read your emails. That's all, 0:23:00.119 --> 0:23:09.959 read them all the way through. Yeah, okay, Welcome to 0:23:10.080 --> 0:23:12.640 the air lock. This is the segment where we discuss 0:23:13.600 --> 0:23:17.439 whatever it is the subjects that we are exploring in 0:23:17.480 --> 0:23:19.960 this particular episode. For this episode, the debut episode of 0:23:19.960 --> 0:23:23.720 Extra Vision, we're talking about the Disney Plus shows and 0:23:23.760 --> 0:23:26.080 how they kind of like set the stage for what 0:23:26.119 --> 0:23:28.880 Phase four is going to be looking over this stuff. 0:23:29.280 --> 0:23:33.320 Wanna vision Falcon in the Winter, Soldier and Loki. There 0:23:33.320 --> 0:23:38.680 were some really earth shaking, cannon shaking reveals and changes 0:23:38.720 --> 0:23:42.840 in all of these stories that if people didn't check 0:23:42.880 --> 0:23:46.320 in to those stories on Disney Plus, as my friend 0:23:46.359 --> 0:23:49.920 Andy Greenwell says, then they're going to be like, wait, 0:23:49.960 --> 0:23:53.199 why so there's a multiverse now? Wait hold on, Like 0:23:53.280 --> 0:23:57.719 the Super Soldier program was bad. Actually, so let's unpack 0:23:57.760 --> 0:24:00.800 that stuff and just talk about what are our favorite 0:24:00.840 --> 0:24:03.679 and we think most earthshaking changes are And I think 0:24:03.720 --> 0:24:08.159 this is just like really smart strategic storytelling on the 0:24:08.240 --> 0:24:13.679 part of these showrunners, which is there's no kind of 0:24:14.880 --> 0:24:19.280 there's none of these stories are gonna are something you 0:24:19.280 --> 0:24:20.840 can check out on if you want to stay up 0:24:20.880 --> 0:24:22.560 to date on the stuff, because everything is going to 0:24:22.640 --> 0:24:25.920 have something in it that really changes the paradigm. 0:24:26.119 --> 0:24:29.040 Yeah, you know, we're obviously about to get into it, 0:24:29.040 --> 0:24:31.920 but like it's what they have captured. I mean, I'm look, 0:24:31.960 --> 0:24:33.600 the calls come from outside the house. I'm in a 0:24:33.680 --> 0:24:36.639 huge stand. I love I love all this shit. I'm 0:24:36.680 --> 0:24:38.879 a company man through and through, so like I'm very biased, 0:24:38.920 --> 0:24:41.200 but like what I love that they've been able to capture, 0:24:41.240 --> 0:24:43.640 particularly with Phase four, is the like whenever you read 0:24:43.640 --> 0:24:45.760 a comic, if you're a combook fan, like the status 0:24:45.840 --> 0:24:48.600 quo is reset often and with great temerity. And I 0:24:48.600 --> 0:24:51.000 think something that's really captured with this is like you're saying, like, 0:24:51.400 --> 0:24:53.680 all right, yeah, everything that we knew about the Super 0:24:53.680 --> 0:24:56.600 Soldiar program is actually bad. It's not a good thing. 0:24:56.840 --> 0:24:59.320 It's caused a lot of pain and suffering people across 0:24:59.359 --> 0:25:02.640 the world. Also, the big reveal is that like, hey, 0:25:02.680 --> 0:25:05.080 the multiverse exists, baby, so like we can have stories. 0:25:05.280 --> 0:25:07.040 We can have any story that we want to tell, 0:25:07.080 --> 0:25:10.040 we can now tell, and anything that we want to retcon, 0:25:10.200 --> 0:25:11.800 we can retconn or we can put things into it. 0:25:11.840 --> 0:25:14.440 And like now, if you want to see like Alligator Loki, no, 0:25:14.560 --> 0:25:16.320 let's pop in for an episode of Allegator Loki. It's 0:25:16.320 --> 0:25:18.359 gonna completely fine because we have a infinite number of 0:25:18.440 --> 0:25:20.120 universes to dive through into. 0:25:19.920 --> 0:25:22.760 That Alligator Loki will be back. I've never been more 0:25:22.800 --> 0:25:24.520 sure of anything that Allgator Loki. 0:25:24.560 --> 0:25:27.920 Well, we're gonna get pet Avengers at some point, Lockjaw 0:25:27.960 --> 0:25:31.879 and Alligator Loki and the other four frog Yeah, yes, 0:25:32.080 --> 0:25:35.040 all of them are going to be here Rocket Raccoon, 0:25:35.280 --> 0:25:38.000 that's kind of below him. I guess let's start with 0:25:38.040 --> 0:25:41.600 Wana Vision, which came out in January of twenty twenty one. 0:25:41.680 --> 0:25:45.560 Strange things afoot in Westview, New Jersey, an idyllic suburban 0:25:45.640 --> 0:25:47.639 town where a Vision and want to maxim Off have 0:25:48.160 --> 0:25:50.520 made their home. But of course everything is not as 0:25:50.560 --> 0:25:54.879 it seems. Their family grows quickly as Tommy and Billy 0:25:54.960 --> 0:25:59.119 are born, but there are a lot of other weird 0:25:59.160 --> 0:26:02.399 and mysterious and magical events that are taking place. This 0:26:02.560 --> 0:26:05.280 was based on Vision in The Scarlet Witch Volumes one 0:26:05.400 --> 0:26:08.800 and two from the eighties, which is a four issue 0:26:08.800 --> 0:26:11.280 and a twelve issue limited series, respectively. In West Coast 0:26:11.280 --> 0:26:14.320 Avengers forty five to fifty two, which is first appearance 0:26:14.359 --> 0:26:19.359 of the White Vision and the revelation that spoiler Wanda's 0:26:19.440 --> 0:26:25.359 kids are not real big air quotes there. So, you know, 0:26:25.400 --> 0:26:29.080 the biggest thing for me with how this show changed 0:26:29.119 --> 0:26:35.480 the Marvel universe is we've with Disney's acquisition of twentieth 0:26:35.480 --> 0:26:37.800 Century Fox, has been a lot of like, how will 0:26:37.840 --> 0:26:39.119 the Mutants happen? 0:26:40.119 --> 0:26:41.520 How will the X Men happen? 0:26:41.640 --> 0:26:44.280 I think that you know, the recent Eternals trailer gives 0:26:44.359 --> 0:26:47.000 us yet another avenue for how the X Men might happen. 0:26:47.040 --> 0:26:51.160 But this was, you know, in the Marvel universe to date, 0:26:51.560 --> 0:26:57.200 you got powers either by science, experiment, science accident. 0:26:57.440 --> 0:27:04.800 Yep, you are a god and you know basically that's it. 0:27:05.440 --> 0:27:12.800 Yeah, what we got here in WandaVision is the seeming 0:27:12.920 --> 0:27:16.680 hint that Wanda was born with her powers. Now could 0:27:16.720 --> 0:27:18.040 does that make her a mutant? 0:27:18.160 --> 0:27:20.560 Does? Is that a magical thing? We don't know? 0:27:20.600 --> 0:27:24.280 But in that flashback where we saw her parents' apartment 0:27:24.320 --> 0:27:27.680 get bombed, it is heavily suggested that she used tex 0:27:27.800 --> 0:27:29.080 powers in that moment. M. 0:27:29.880 --> 0:27:33.439 Yeah, it was all these three shows hit three different, 0:27:33.560 --> 0:27:37.080 very slight different slices of the Marvel the Marvel over 0:27:37.160 --> 0:27:40.600 arching universe. We have Mystic high Strangeness Marvel, we have 0:27:40.960 --> 0:27:44.240 Espionage Military Marvel, and then my personal favorite cosmic Marble. 0:27:44.440 --> 0:27:47.120 And what really, what I really loved most about WandaVision, 0:27:47.160 --> 0:27:49.080 like you're saying, is that like it's sort of a 0:27:49.119 --> 0:27:51.760 mix of all three in a very fun, organic way, 0:27:51.840 --> 0:27:53.959 like I think you want to It was originally supposed 0:27:53.960 --> 0:27:55.679 to come out second from what I remember, is like 0:27:55.680 --> 0:27:57.080 it could being the first out of the gate where 0:27:57.119 --> 0:27:59.960 we have like we have like we have a deep 0:28:00.080 --> 0:28:02.320 dive into like what the sort of what the rules 0:28:02.359 --> 0:28:04.040 of like magic are in this universe because we didn't 0:28:04.040 --> 0:28:05.800 really get it that much in Doctor Strange, just like 0:28:06.000 --> 0:28:07.960 he does his hand things and whatever. It seems like 0:28:08.000 --> 0:28:10.280 only one it seems like really only one sect of 0:28:10.320 --> 0:28:12.560 people can learn magic in that sting. But then you're like, oh, 0:28:12.560 --> 0:28:15.960 there's there's different there's different gangs. There's different magic gangs 0:28:16.000 --> 0:28:16.760 running through these streets. 0:28:16.840 --> 0:28:17.840 Right now. We gotta act with the. 0:28:18.680 --> 0:28:20.240 We got lot of and I love that, but I 0:28:20.240 --> 0:28:22.239 also love the intredation of like you know, we have 0:28:22.680 --> 0:28:25.600 sword is like said on screen, like physically it's not 0:28:25.680 --> 0:28:27.840 just like Nick for You're hanging out with scrolls and 0:28:27.880 --> 0:28:30.439 space assumingly like it's we get all that, and then 0:28:30.480 --> 0:28:32.679 we have like the cosmic era, the cosmic of it 0:28:32.720 --> 0:28:35.680 all with like she's like actual projecting towards the end 0:28:35.760 --> 0:28:37.600 and like she's like gearing up and all that fun 0:28:37.640 --> 0:28:40.400 weird stuff that like, to me, it's the perfect distillation 0:28:40.520 --> 0:28:42.680 of like what a straight up comic book is and 0:28:42.720 --> 0:28:45.400 what it feels like. We're like we have this weird 0:28:45.680 --> 0:28:49.040 high concept premise. All right, we have vision and want 0:28:49.080 --> 0:28:51.640 to have a family. Uh, and we're gonna inject that 0:28:51.720 --> 0:28:53.520 with like some TV version of it by Heavy get 0:28:53.560 --> 0:28:55.640 met it, Like well, they take place in different sitcoms 0:28:55.640 --> 0:28:57.640 throughout every I love all that, and I also love 0:28:57.720 --> 0:28:59.880 that like they really held out for like the big 0:29:00.040 --> 0:29:01.720 marble of it all, like the big you know set 0:29:01.760 --> 0:29:03.920 piece fights towards the end, and like by that point, 0:29:03.920 --> 0:29:06.000 like we actually care about these characters, like you know, 0:29:06.000 --> 0:29:07.959 they've been in like six movies or whatever, but like 0:29:08.160 --> 0:29:11.040 we didn't really sit down and be like, oh, I 0:29:11.280 --> 0:29:13.160 like that Vision has a sense of humor, Like I 0:29:13.240 --> 0:29:14.960 like that he's funny, Like we don't get to see 0:29:15.000 --> 0:29:16.440 that side of it in most of these movies. And 0:29:16.480 --> 0:29:18.680 like I like that Wanda has a personalty, like she's 0:29:18.680 --> 0:29:20.680 funny in her own unique way. I and like I 0:29:20.800 --> 0:29:22.960 buy their love like I would like they end when 0:29:23.000 --> 0:29:26.040 like you know, she's erasing, resetting reality or whatever, sending 0:29:26.080 --> 0:29:27.760 it back to a road, and like like they had 0:29:27.800 --> 0:29:30.239 that that final kiss, I'm like, oh I get this. 0:29:30.400 --> 0:29:33.760 I I'm completely invested in the Vision, which is something 0:29:33.800 --> 0:29:36.000 I never would have said if I like halfway through 0:29:36.000 --> 0:29:38.280 a Silver War, We've like you're gonna cry when Vision 0:29:38.320 --> 0:29:38.760 dies again? 0:29:38.800 --> 0:29:42.520 I like, yeah that way, Yeah, then get out of here. Uh. 0:29:42.560 --> 0:29:44.320 There's also like a really. 0:29:45.840 --> 0:29:50.600 There's something really interesting about the way it the statement 0:29:50.600 --> 0:29:53.360 it kind of makes about like how powerful certain like 0:29:53.560 --> 0:29:57.040 desires are in the American subconscious, Like they're like so 0:29:57.320 --> 0:30:01.240 usually a superhero story is some one gets powers or 0:30:01.240 --> 0:30:03.800 their powers awaken and they step into this new world 0:30:03.840 --> 0:30:07.120 and have these amazing adventures out in this strange place, 0:30:08.000 --> 0:30:11.680 like Vision and Wanda have done that. They have their powers, 0:30:12.120 --> 0:30:14.400 but what they want is just like be normal. Like 0:30:14.440 --> 0:30:17.440 the next adventure to them is a house in the 0:30:17.480 --> 0:30:19.840 suburbs and let's have a family. And it speaks to 0:30:19.920 --> 0:30:25.520 the power of that desire and how universal it is, 0:30:25.640 --> 0:30:28.480 Like it's on every sitcom, as you noted, Like it's 0:30:28.480 --> 0:30:30.880 on every it's in every movie. Every story you read 0:30:30.960 --> 0:30:34.840 is some version of this kind of let's go out 0:30:35.040 --> 0:30:38.200 someplace and get like a one and a half you know, 0:30:38.360 --> 0:30:40.680 baths and three bedroom house and like have a family. 0:30:40.840 --> 0:30:41.040 Yeah. 0:30:42.040 --> 0:30:44.800 And the other part of it is we also learned 0:30:44.800 --> 0:30:47.680 like a really cool secret power that Vision had is 0:30:47.720 --> 0:30:50.920 an ability to buy a house without anybody. 0:30:51.840 --> 0:30:52.840 Having any idea. 0:30:52.920 --> 0:30:55.680 Like this guy, I don't know where he got the money, 0:30:55.960 --> 0:30:58.600 Like did he sell a piece of his fingernail like 0:30:58.720 --> 0:31:01.840 vibrate and get like two million dollars in money, like 0:31:01.880 --> 0:31:03.360 for vibrated, Like how did. 0:31:03.280 --> 0:31:03.800 You do this? 0:31:03.880 --> 0:31:05.480 I love the idea of him going to a bank 0:31:05.520 --> 0:31:07.400 to get a loan and then entering into escrow to 0:31:07.400 --> 0:31:10.400 buy a house in New Jersey and no one's like, hey, 0:31:10.480 --> 0:31:12.720 remember that time that giant dude floated down from on 0:31:12.840 --> 0:31:14.520 high to like buy a lot of land. 0:31:15.440 --> 0:31:19.320 He had no id, he was like apparently he was 0:31:19.360 --> 0:31:21.960 born three and a half years ago, but appear to 0:31:22.000 --> 0:31:23.080 be like a middle aged man. 0:31:23.640 --> 0:31:23.760 Uh. 0:31:24.800 --> 0:31:27.880 It was absolutely bizarre. But he had the money. Yeah, 0:31:27.920 --> 0:31:30.040 like that was he. 0:31:30.040 --> 0:31:31.680 Was the only dude that Tony was paying when they 0:31:31.680 --> 0:31:34.320 were on the New Avengers. That's the only one. There's 0:31:34.360 --> 0:31:37.200 like either you were or you you were or Falcon. 0:31:37.200 --> 0:31:39.040 It's like, I'm sorry, I gotta go with you man. 0:31:39.160 --> 0:31:40.240 Yeah, sorry, you no money for you? 0:31:40.320 --> 0:31:40.520 Yeah. 0:31:40.560 --> 0:31:42.320 But like but but vision can buy a house. 0:31:42.400 --> 0:31:44.320 Yeah, I guess like when you don't have to eat 0:31:44.920 --> 0:31:47.880 or buy cars like you do you save a lot. 0:31:47.960 --> 0:31:50.360 Yeah, he's not paying for gas, he ain't nothing. He 0:31:50.360 --> 0:31:52.760 can fly, he float where he needs to. Yeah, he's good. 0:31:52.800 --> 0:31:54.479 He's probably got no doors. On the house too, so 0:31:54.560 --> 0:31:56.760 like before, because he could just like step through things 0:31:56.800 --> 0:31:58.440 and like you know, we got a lot of entry ways. 0:31:58.480 --> 0:31:59.680 Yeah, he's got he's got it. 0:31:59.760 --> 0:32:05.080 Some other things we learned are that something about Wanda's powers. 0:32:05.120 --> 0:32:08.840 She creates this hex sphere that changes the reality of 0:32:08.840 --> 0:32:13.320 everything that's happening inside, and Monica Rambeau goes inside of 0:32:13.360 --> 0:32:18.160 it and comes out with the powers that we think 0:32:18.280 --> 0:32:19.480 will lead to her. 0:32:19.440 --> 0:32:21.440 Becoming a spectrum. 0:32:21.720 --> 0:32:25.960 And so this raises the possibility that now we have, 0:32:26.720 --> 0:32:29.239 along with being born with powers, yet another way that 0:32:29.280 --> 0:32:31.560 you can be powered up, which is you come into 0:32:31.600 --> 0:32:32.840 contact with Wanda's magic. 0:32:32.920 --> 0:32:34.320 Yeah, and all of a sudden. 0:32:34.200 --> 0:32:37.280 You have these abilities, which is a tremendous thing. They 0:32:37.280 --> 0:32:40.320 also used Wanda's energies to power up Vision in his 0:32:40.480 --> 0:32:41.720 in his white vision form. 0:32:42.160 --> 0:32:43.800 Yeah, I'm very curious to see what comes out of 0:32:43.800 --> 0:32:46.600 this if we do get some like tertiary characters that like, yeah, 0:32:46.640 --> 0:32:49.160 maybe they're not mutants or that in humans, but like 0:32:49.200 --> 0:32:51.680 this is like the their version of what that would be. 0:32:52.480 --> 0:32:54.560 Right, all those people that were inside, like what happened 0:32:54.560 --> 0:32:57.160 to them did did they were their cells mutated as well? 0:32:57.200 --> 0:33:01.040 It's like it is it's certainly on the table. Also, Sword, 0:33:01.520 --> 0:33:04.360 we get our first glimpse of Sword and we get 0:33:04.400 --> 0:33:07.200 to see how they work. They are the sentient I 0:33:07.360 --> 0:33:12.000 love Marble acronyms, so the freaking best, honestly, Yeah, they 0:33:12.000 --> 0:33:16.280 are the sentient Weapons Observation and Response Division. How long 0:33:16.320 --> 0:33:18.840 did it take them, by the way, just to sit there? Okay, 0:33:18.880 --> 0:33:19.480 Like how do we. 0:33:21.520 --> 0:33:22.000 Love it? 0:33:22.320 --> 0:33:22.520 Yeah? 0:33:22.520 --> 0:33:24.640 I love it because they have Hammer too in the comics, 0:33:24.640 --> 0:33:26.880 and like they just just never address what hammer is, 0:33:26.920 --> 0:33:30.360 like whatever, we're gonna fix this later, and they just 0:33:30.400 --> 0:33:32.520 never address what hammer could possibly stand for. 0:33:34.000 --> 0:33:36.000 My favorite thing also like is post Like I don't 0:33:36.000 --> 0:33:38.000 know if you read Nick Furyver Shield. It's like an 0:33:38.040 --> 0:33:42.400 eighties limited series where Nick finds out that like a 0:33:42.600 --> 0:33:45.240 shield is basically all a hydroplot like a lot of 0:33:45.280 --> 0:33:48.320 Captain America Winter Soldiers was based on this, and and 0:33:48.440 --> 0:33:51.400 so they just they dismantle Shield and then they rebuild 0:33:51.400 --> 0:33:54.760 it but also as Shield. But then they just change, 0:33:54.840 --> 0:33:59.680 like what all the what all that acronyms. They're like, now, 0:34:00.200 --> 0:34:03.120 let's turn the page at a new start, where what 0:34:03.160 --> 0:34:04.480 are we going to call it? We're also going to 0:34:04.560 --> 0:34:06.560 call it shield, but like they're just gonna change the 0:34:06.680 --> 0:34:07.280 entire agronum. 0:34:07.480 --> 0:34:09.319 We already have the shirt, so like there's a pre 0:34:09.480 --> 0:34:10.800 lock were. 0:34:11.280 --> 0:34:12.600 I got the pens. I don't want to get a 0:34:12.640 --> 0:34:14.520 new mouse path. Yeah. 0:34:14.600 --> 0:34:17.239 Yeah, it's a rebranding. Will be good Chield two point zero. 0:34:18.040 --> 0:34:19.000 But I think one of the. 0:34:20.520 --> 0:34:23.480 A thing that I am really interested in is so 0:34:23.920 --> 0:34:26.000 sentient weapons observation and response to vision. 0:34:26.400 --> 0:34:29.880 Obviously, like the director h H. 0:34:30.400 --> 0:34:35.640 Tyler Hayward was like super invested in examining vision his body, 0:34:35.680 --> 0:34:38.200 understanding how it works. I think that there's a world 0:34:38.239 --> 0:34:41.480 in which this is like the MCU precursor to the 0:34:41.520 --> 0:34:44.680 Sentinel program, Like this is the start of the Wow. 0:34:44.800 --> 0:34:47.279 Yeah yeah, yeah, I could see this. 0:34:47.400 --> 0:34:50.560 Is how this is how it begins. And then Hayward 0:34:50.600 --> 0:34:54.640 loses control of white vision. But like all the data 0:34:54.680 --> 0:34:58.080 that they got from examining him leads them to like 0:34:58.280 --> 0:35:02.880 kickstart the actual sentiment. That's a I don't know if 0:35:02.880 --> 0:35:07.120 it's a theory or something that seems pretty obvious or whatever, 0:35:07.200 --> 0:35:08.279 but that's the thing that I've been saying. 0:35:08.480 --> 0:35:09.719 You know, A good thing that. 0:35:09.680 --> 0:35:12.040 I also love about Marvel is that, like you can 0:35:12.200 --> 0:35:15.160 they will leave uh they only something dangling for years 0:35:15.160 --> 0:35:15.799 and never pick it. 0:35:15.840 --> 0:35:17.120 Up for years and years and years. 0:35:17.200 --> 0:35:19.719 Yes, Like I think everything is an offering to them, 0:35:19.920 --> 0:35:23.440 Like I would be super into that's how they backdoor 0:35:23.480 --> 0:35:26.960 into the Sentinel program and like that's like, you know, 0:35:27.040 --> 0:35:29.120 if Wanda is the original mutant or like she's like 0:35:29.160 --> 0:35:31.080 the precursor for certainly mbidence, it seems like an easy 0:35:31.160 --> 0:35:33.840 end for how we get get those guys set up 0:35:33.880 --> 0:35:34.600 to fight each other. 0:35:35.160 --> 0:35:36.960 Yeah, it's you mentioned that. 0:35:37.000 --> 0:35:39.840 It's something I've noticed too, and as I've seen like 0:35:39.960 --> 0:35:43.960 more people writers with like improv backgrounds go into comics, 0:35:45.040 --> 0:35:47.439 it kind of like philosophically makes sense because a lot 0:35:47.440 --> 0:35:51.520 of it is this like oh there's this like yes 0:35:51.640 --> 0:35:54.200 that has been dangled for years and now someone comes 0:35:54.239 --> 0:35:55.360 in and just goes, I'm gonna take that. 0:35:55.400 --> 0:35:57.400 I'm an run with it, like another thing off that. 0:35:57.560 --> 0:36:00.319 Yeah, that's the truly freeing thing about comics is I mean, 0:36:00.440 --> 0:36:02.719 it is daunting in that you have sixty years of 0:36:02.800 --> 0:36:06.120 sixty seventy years like Lord to deal from, but it's 0:36:06.120 --> 0:36:08.520 also like, yeah, this issue this person said he duck 0:36:08.600 --> 0:36:10.319 left under a fight, and then like you know what, 0:36:10.360 --> 0:36:11.920 six years later, I'm gonna pay that off and tell 0:36:11.920 --> 0:36:13.600 you exactly why he always Ducks left. 0:36:13.719 --> 0:36:14.640 We Heed's into a fight. 0:36:17.920 --> 0:36:21.160 Let's see, we got our first appearance of Agatha Harkness 0:36:21.200 --> 0:36:25.160 in WandaVision Ni Immortal Witch, Powerful Magic User. She tells 0:36:25.239 --> 0:36:31.640 us that Wanda is this fabled and previously thought to 0:36:31.680 --> 0:36:37.719 be legendary super uber ultra witch names Scarlet Witch, and 0:36:37.760 --> 0:36:41.239 we get that. Yeah, we get that first first mention 0:36:41.320 --> 0:36:43.520 of her actual code name, Scarlet Witch. And then of 0:36:43.560 --> 0:36:47.719 course we get the appearances of Billy and Tommy in 0:36:47.760 --> 0:36:51.440 the comics as Wicked and Speed. They're in WandaVision in 0:36:51.520 --> 0:36:56.040 their Wicked and Speed costumes, which was absolutely thrilling. Yeah, 0:36:56.080 --> 0:36:59.840 setting the stage for we can only assume the appearance 0:36:59.840 --> 0:37:01.400 of Young Avengers at some point. 0:37:01.600 --> 0:37:03.080 I mean, they're all there, They're all like, they're all 0:37:03.160 --> 0:37:05.479 later out there. Yeah, yeah, they're the only person they're missing. 0:37:05.520 --> 0:37:07.399 Is I think, is Hopling right? And I'm sure there 0:37:07.520 --> 0:37:09.319 there's gotta be a scroll hanging out there somewhere they 0:37:09.320 --> 0:37:10.360 can they can Hulkling. 0:37:10.440 --> 0:37:10.640 Is it. 0:37:10.640 --> 0:37:13.320 They've already got Kate Bishop we know is coming? 0:37:13.640 --> 0:37:17.680 Uh stature uh stature, is there is like already in 0:37:17.719 --> 0:37:22.840 the universe. Kid Loki like just appeared in the in 0:37:22.880 --> 0:37:26.640 the Loki series and then uh, Miss America, Yeah, we 0:37:27.040 --> 0:37:29.560 understand is going to be in Doctor. So that team 0:37:29.600 --> 0:37:33.680 is there, Uh super excited about that. Let's move on 0:37:33.719 --> 0:37:36.239 to Falcon and Winter Soldier, which I thought, this is 0:37:36.360 --> 0:37:41.480 so for me, the the least satisfying in terms of 0:37:41.520 --> 0:37:45.360 like execution as a story. But I give them heavy, heavy, 0:37:45.680 --> 0:37:50.360 a heavy pass because COVID like absolutely wrecked their production schedule. 0:37:51.080 --> 0:37:53.759 You could tell that Julia Louis Dreyfus was on set 0:37:53.840 --> 0:37:56.200 for an hour and that she might have done her 0:37:56.239 --> 0:37:57.160 own makeup. 0:37:56.840 --> 0:37:59.480 And hair, like it might have come in her own clothes. 0:37:59.719 --> 0:38:01.680 Yeah, this is the one that screamed the most, Like 0:38:01.960 --> 0:38:04.640 we were supposed to be led up by Black Widow 0:38:04.719 --> 0:38:06.359 and then that just did not happen for a year 0:38:06.360 --> 0:38:08.000 and a half. So like she shows up, You're like, 0:38:08.200 --> 0:38:09.840 I feel like there was a scene in another movie 0:38:09.880 --> 0:38:12.200 that gave me context like what this person, because she 0:38:12.239 --> 0:38:14.960 had like in Falcon Winnisoda, she had like ticks and 0:38:15.000 --> 0:38:16.719 stuff that she was doing, like here's like my car 0:38:16.920 --> 0:38:18.880 just the car s blink or whatever. I'm like that 0:38:18.920 --> 0:38:20.720 seems like a joke that was set up in something 0:38:20.719 --> 0:38:22.319 else that was supposed to come out that did not 0:38:22.400 --> 0:38:26.239 quite pay off for this, I sort of have the 0:38:26.239 --> 0:38:29.080 same thoughts. I also will say that espionage Marvel is 0:38:29.080 --> 0:38:30.480 the one that I am the least. I've always been 0:38:30.520 --> 0:38:32.480 the least like super tapped into. But like, yeah, I've 0:38:32.680 --> 0:38:34.880 I've never been super inspiced. I've always been like give me, 0:38:35.160 --> 0:38:37.400 give me big cosmic gods, or give me give me 0:38:37.440 --> 0:38:39.120 someone green, Like that's always been a thing that've been 0:38:39.120 --> 0:38:39.640 super into. 0:38:39.880 --> 0:38:41.080 Give me give me. 0:38:41.000 --> 0:38:44.720 Someone green, good, more goodmore, she hulked drags. I'll take anyone. 0:38:45.040 --> 0:38:47.720 I'm open to all of them. But I do enjoy 0:38:47.760 --> 0:38:51.680 what they did status quo wise, I'm a huge fan 0:38:51.880 --> 0:38:54.040 of Isaiah Bradley. Have always been a huge stand of 0:38:54.080 --> 0:38:57.000 Patriot as well, two of my favorite characters, and I 0:38:57.040 --> 0:38:59.080 love that they worked him into this, and I love 0:38:59.120 --> 0:39:03.239 that they also again set up for young Avengers, and 0:39:03.280 --> 0:39:05.359 I love that as I love that this is also 0:39:05.400 --> 0:39:07.279 this is the first show that's introduced the concept of 0:39:07.280 --> 0:39:09.880 like legacy characters in Marvel as far as I know, 0:39:09.960 --> 0:39:12.239 we're like all right, there were literal passing of the 0:39:12.239 --> 0:39:16.239 shield to to to Falcon and then like course, and 0:39:17.040 --> 0:39:19.080 you know it's gonna set up for all these other things, 0:39:19.160 --> 0:39:20.040 like we have to reset. 0:39:20.080 --> 0:39:22.280 We can't do Old Hawkeye anymore. 0:39:22.280 --> 0:39:23.880 We need to have Young Hawkey, and I'm assuming the 0:39:23.880 --> 0:39:25.640 same thing's gonna be happening to the rest of these series. 0:39:25.680 --> 0:39:28.279 Like that was my big takeaway that I'm like, oh great, 0:39:28.360 --> 0:39:31.480 now we're fully cocked into eighth gear, running running head 0:39:31.480 --> 0:39:33.640 first into like comic book fille, which I'm all for. 0:39:34.480 --> 0:39:37.080 I am all for it as well, So quick recap. 0:39:37.080 --> 0:39:40.040 In the aftermath of the Blip, Sam Wilson, the Falcon, 0:39:40.040 --> 0:39:42.600 and Buckie Barnes aka the Winter Soldier face off against 0:39:42.680 --> 0:39:47.480 a super soldier serum enhanced terrorist group led by the 0:39:47.560 --> 0:39:53.400 passionate flag smasher Karl Morgenthau. Sam rejects Captain America's shield 0:39:53.440 --> 0:39:56.120 think he should stand in a museum, only to find 0:39:56.120 --> 0:40:01.480 it into the hands of the very aggressive John Walker, 0:40:02.400 --> 0:40:03.839 who quickly becomes. 0:40:03.520 --> 0:40:05.120 Powered up on his own. 0:40:05.560 --> 0:40:09.200 And really the big paradigm shift and is a massive, massive, 0:40:10.160 --> 0:40:16.960 massive recontextualization of marvelore is we get the storyline based 0:40:17.000 --> 0:40:19.040 on truth, Red, White, and Black by Robert Morales and 0:40:19.080 --> 0:40:22.360 Kyle Baker, in which we discovered that the super soldier 0:40:22.360 --> 0:40:25.000 program did not stop with Captain America, did not stop 0:40:25.080 --> 0:40:29.799 with the destruction of all the serum. It in fact continued, 0:40:30.440 --> 0:40:36.080 and that various black soldiers, Black American soldiers were injected 0:40:36.160 --> 0:40:40.440 with various experimental forms of the super Soldiers super Soldier serum. 0:40:41.040 --> 0:40:43.360 Many of them, if not hundreds of them, died in 0:40:43.400 --> 0:40:46.680 horrific fashion as a direct result of that serum, and 0:40:46.760 --> 0:40:49.799 that the one success story, if you could call it, that, 0:40:49.840 --> 0:40:55.920 the Black Captain America. Isaiah Bradley was then court martialed 0:40:56.560 --> 0:40:59.919 and imprisoned after doing the exact same thing that Steve 0:41:00.040 --> 0:41:03.239 Rogers does in Captain America. The first renders his his 0:41:04.080 --> 0:41:08.839 friends unit gets captured, and he knows that the army 0:41:08.960 --> 0:41:11.560 just plans to like bomb the base, so he goes 0:41:11.600 --> 0:41:14.680 in on his own rogue mission and rescues all of them. 0:41:14.920 --> 0:41:18.480 Steve Rogers became Captain America and became like the paragon 0:41:18.760 --> 0:41:23.400 of American virtue and strength. And Isaiah Bradley was thrown 0:41:23.520 --> 0:41:28.239 into like a dark cell and some military black sites 0:41:28.280 --> 0:41:31.759 somewhere where he was kept for decades and tortured and 0:41:31.800 --> 0:41:32.560 experimented on. 0:41:32.640 --> 0:41:35.960 This is a I mean, it's it's a huge thing. 0:41:36.080 --> 0:41:40.960 And yeah, shouts to Carl Lumbley, who is just you 0:41:41.000 --> 0:41:41.960 can't take your eyes off. 0:41:42.120 --> 0:41:43.319 Yeah, he's captivating. 0:41:43.760 --> 0:41:46.040 He's captivating, and like he's like one of those like 0:41:46.080 --> 0:41:48.160 he sort of got from the same school like Viola datis, 0:41:48.320 --> 0:41:49.920 like you want to see them in pain, Like I 0:41:49.920 --> 0:41:53.799 think when character they do pain so well. I one 0:41:53.800 --> 0:41:55.520 of the This is just like a side from that. 0:41:55.640 --> 0:41:57.719 But like what I do like about them introducing the 0:41:57.719 --> 0:42:00.160 content of like imprisoning these you know black supers or 0:42:00.239 --> 0:42:02.120 is that like for it opens Like one of my 0:42:02.160 --> 0:42:04.239 personal favorite characters is like Blue Marvel, and like his 0:42:04.320 --> 0:42:06.800 whole thing was like like he was he was asked 0:42:06.840 --> 0:42:08.960 like he was like one of the first like super superpowers, 0:42:08.960 --> 0:42:10.359 like guys like you know I can I can wreck 0:42:10.440 --> 0:42:12.280 everything if you guys look at me the wrong way, 0:42:12.440 --> 0:42:13.800 And they're like, you know what, we don't need a 0:42:13.840 --> 0:42:15.799 black superman, so like we're just gonna like make you 0:42:15.880 --> 0:42:18.880 like basically retire and in the sixties. And like I 0:42:18.920 --> 0:42:21.080 love that opened ups the door for that character because 0:42:21.120 --> 0:42:23.319 I'm a super huge fan of Blue Marvel. Like I 0:42:23.360 --> 0:42:25.560 love that this would possibly will be a back door 0:42:25.680 --> 0:42:27.359 like was he one of those super soldier guys too 0:42:27.360 --> 0:42:29.400 that like he was asked to like step down or 0:42:29.440 --> 0:42:31.800 he was the nuclear thing fell into the toaster and 0:42:31.800 --> 0:42:33.000 he got zapped into the negative zone. 0:42:33.040 --> 0:42:33.080 No. 0:42:33.239 --> 0:42:35.240 Ever, like I love that what it sets up status 0:42:35.320 --> 0:42:37.320 quo wise for going for when it comes to Marvel. 0:42:38.120 --> 0:42:40.680 Same and as a layer of complexity too, because that's 0:42:40.760 --> 0:42:42.680 kind of like I want to say. 0:42:42.560 --> 0:42:45.919 More of a uh, I guess, more of a DC thing. 0:42:46.000 --> 0:42:49.719 This this idea of actually the government in the military 0:42:49.960 --> 0:42:51.719 are like unambiguously bad. 0:42:51.880 --> 0:42:53.040 They're doing bad. 0:42:52.840 --> 0:42:56.960 Shit all the time, and Superman either doesn't know about 0:42:56.960 --> 0:42:59.319 it or like is kept in the dark about it. 0:42:59.320 --> 0:43:04.400 And it's only through the actions of like quasi criminal 0:43:04.520 --> 0:43:08.000 heroes that like any of this stuff gets exposed. Marvel 0:43:08.239 --> 0:43:10.439 kind of like toes that line where it's like, yes, 0:43:11.040 --> 0:43:14.400 the Sentinel program was supported by the US military and 0:43:14.440 --> 0:43:17.400 it is an absolute project of the United States government. 0:43:17.800 --> 0:43:21.360 But also and yes, like the Sentinels wiped out like 0:43:21.520 --> 0:43:25.239 several million mutants on the island of Genosha. But also 0:43:25.360 --> 0:43:28.560 like Captain America was not involved in that PERSI didn't 0:43:28.640 --> 0:43:31.520 know and the Secret of Defense probably didn't know. 0:43:33.040 --> 0:43:34.920 Rogue operations, Yeah, they're never explicit. 0:43:35.000 --> 0:43:37.400 Like the most explicitive is like you know, winners holdiers, 0:43:37.440 --> 0:43:39.239 like you know what show was actually full of Nazi 0:43:39.320 --> 0:43:41.359 the entire time, and we do have a master kill 0:43:41.400 --> 0:43:45.239 list that from Tony start to just like regular surgeons 0:43:45.440 --> 0:43:47.560 that's on ours but like, I like this the first 0:43:47.560 --> 0:43:49.200 time they were they're like, you know what, the government 0:43:49.239 --> 0:43:51.120 actually a cab, Like maybe they are a little bit 0:43:51.120 --> 0:43:52.279 of a cab and they're not. 0:43:52.719 --> 0:43:53.799 Guess what, guess what? 0:43:54.040 --> 0:43:59.040 It wasn't good like Erskine was was definitely an outlier 0:43:59.320 --> 0:44:07.440 in that room. And we get our first appearance of Madrapoor, 0:44:07.640 --> 0:44:10.960 which is the oligarchical, quasi lawless Asian city state which 0:44:10.960 --> 0:44:14.480 is based on Singapore, which, despite its location, curiously devoid 0:44:14.520 --> 0:44:19.000 of Asians in this storytelling, but that's fine. We find 0:44:19.040 --> 0:44:23.520 out that Sharon Carter, agent thirteen in the comics, a 0:44:23.719 --> 0:44:28.960 quite often a love interest of Steve Rogers, has remade 0:44:29.000 --> 0:44:35.560 herself as the Power Broker, a basically criminal mastermind who 0:44:35.600 --> 0:44:38.920 is going to deal super soldier serum on the black market. 0:44:39.600 --> 0:44:41.480 We get the first appearance of John Walker, a k 0:44:42.320 --> 0:44:46.960 US agent boy created the fascist Captain of America named 0:44:47.000 --> 0:44:49.880 is Steve Rodgers official replacement. Of course, He takes a 0:44:49.920 --> 0:44:52.080 super soldier serum just like on his own, just like 0:44:52.200 --> 0:44:54.640 injects it into his own button, and then we get 0:44:54.640 --> 0:44:58.839 the first appearance of the Contessa Valentina Legradfontaine Julie Luis 0:44:58.920 --> 0:45:03.480 s Treyfus again on set for an hour, and she 0:45:03.520 --> 0:45:07.040 appears to be I would you know at the events 0:45:07.040 --> 0:45:09.120 of Black Widow show The Stinger at the end of 0:45:09.120 --> 0:45:12.719 Black Widow suggests that she's putting together like a Thunderbolt 0:45:13.040 --> 0:45:17.399 style Yeah, yeah, Dark Avengers squad with US agent, with 0:45:17.719 --> 0:45:21.880 Yolena and who knows who else, And of course we 0:45:21.960 --> 0:45:25.239 get our first glimpse of Elijah Bradley, who in the 0:45:25.239 --> 0:45:30.680 comics is the Patriot Isaiah, Isaiah Bradley's grandson and another 0:45:30.760 --> 0:45:32.960 member of the Young Avengers. 0:45:33.560 --> 0:45:35.520 This is the show I think that I'm it's sort 0:45:35.520 --> 0:45:37.359 of like that connected tissue in like Phase two where 0:45:37.360 --> 0:45:39.560 it's like we got to get the Avengers together. It's 0:45:39.560 --> 0:45:42.120 basically what I sort of felt from this for I 0:45:42.160 --> 0:45:44.960 mean whatever, Like that's not a condemnation or anything, but 0:45:45.080 --> 0:45:47.560 like I'm most excited about, like you said, like what 0:45:47.719 --> 0:45:49.520 this Thunderbolts is going to look like. That was my 0:45:49.560 --> 0:45:52.280 big takeaway from this, Like I love what they possibly 0:45:52.320 --> 0:45:54.920 do with Thunderbolts. I also want to just I want 0:45:54.960 --> 0:45:56.279 to honestly just want to see more of like what 0:45:56.480 --> 0:45:59.239 Isaiah Bradley is doing, like in Patriot Sure that to 0:45:59.280 --> 0:46:02.000 me is like the most mostly rich soil that like, 0:46:02.040 --> 0:46:04.000 I want to plan a little little nerd tree in 0:46:04.040 --> 0:46:05.279 and see what's brought side of it. 0:46:06.280 --> 0:46:10.120 They So that's episode five of this series is where 0:46:10.160 --> 0:46:14.399 you get the whole download on on what was going 0:46:14.440 --> 0:46:20.120 on with the Super Social Program post Captain America, uh 0:46:20.160 --> 0:46:26.439 and what happened with Isaiah Bradley. They went extremely hard 0:46:26.440 --> 0:46:28.680 in the paint. Like I did not think that they 0:46:28.680 --> 0:46:31.880 were going to go that hard, and I was actually like, 0:46:32.040 --> 0:46:35.600 fuck yeah they would shouts to Malcolm Smellman, showrunner, but 0:46:35.719 --> 0:46:41.960 it was like straight up like like Isaiah Bradley says, like, 0:46:42.080 --> 0:46:45.080 no self respecting black man would not would the shield. 0:46:45.080 --> 0:46:46.880 It was like, holy ship, we're doing it. 0:46:46.960 --> 0:46:47.600 Yeah, we're going. 0:46:48.040 --> 0:46:51.239 He basically called him a cornball brother and he did. 0:46:51.320 --> 0:46:52.080 How you feel about that? 0:46:52.160 --> 0:46:53.160 King? 0:46:54.480 --> 0:46:54.840 I was? 0:46:55.080 --> 0:46:55.520 I was. 0:46:56.920 --> 0:47:01.040 I was surprised, and I was really kind of proud 0:47:01.120 --> 0:47:03.799 of of Marvel for going, Yeah, Darren going that hard 0:47:03.840 --> 0:47:06.680 with it, having that kind of conversation in that context 0:47:06.680 --> 0:47:09.319 on a Disney Plus show, Because if you're gonna if 0:47:09.320 --> 0:47:11.320 you're gonna explore that kind of subject matter in that 0:47:11.400 --> 0:47:11.759 kind of way. 0:47:11.800 --> 0:47:13.239 You kind of have to have that. Somebody has to 0:47:13.280 --> 0:47:13.920 have that conversation. 0:47:14.080 --> 0:47:16.160 Yeah, I mean everyone's been thinking, well, everyone that's you know, 0:47:16.200 --> 0:47:17.880 not a straight white guy has been thinking that the 0:47:18.000 --> 0:47:19.600 entire time. You're like, you're really gonna put the stars 0:47:19.600 --> 0:47:21.439 and bars across your chest? Like that seems a little 0:47:21.440 --> 0:47:22.680 I don't know about that one. King, Like I don't 0:47:22.680 --> 0:47:24.560 know about that one. Let's run the tape back and 0:47:24.600 --> 0:47:30.000 see how the US government clocks on that one. I 0:47:30.080 --> 0:47:31.759 like that they called it out, but I'm also very 0:47:31.760 --> 0:47:34.879 curious to see, like what what what Roady, what what 0:47:34.920 --> 0:47:37.960 Wilson Sam's gonna be doing now that like he's like 0:47:38.320 --> 0:47:41.480 he sort of seems that he's like pulled himself up 0:47:41.520 --> 0:47:43.440 by his bootstraps to use a very bad in and 0:47:43.480 --> 0:47:45.239 in but like his whole thing was like I'm I'm 0:47:45.280 --> 0:47:46.960 just doing it for family, Like I'm doing this like 0:47:47.000 --> 0:47:48.799 get back on my own. So like I'm wondering if, 0:47:48.840 --> 0:47:51.200 like going forward, if it's going to be like you know, 0:47:51.360 --> 0:47:53.839 like you know, Winter social where Steve learns it, he's 0:47:53.880 --> 0:47:55.840 just been a tool for the government, Like now that 0:47:55.880 --> 0:47:57.319 he's free of that, like what's he going to be doing. 0:47:57.480 --> 0:48:00.680 Is he gonna be like forming his own sort of team, 0:48:01.000 --> 0:48:02.560 or what's he going to be doing, Like how's he 0:48:02.560 --> 0:48:04.479 going to be saving the world or putting like who's 0:48:04.480 --> 0:48:05.040 he gonna be fighting? 0:48:05.080 --> 0:48:06.520 I'm very curious to see like what he's doing. 0:48:06.800 --> 0:48:10.400 Say, absolutely the same kind of vibe. Also, it's like, 0:48:10.480 --> 0:48:15.399 you know, Steve, we're out of our heroes now will 0:48:15.440 --> 0:48:20.400 be operating we might assume out from under the umbrella 0:48:20.480 --> 0:48:25.200 of Tony Stark's incredible wealth. Yeah, so like like in 0:48:25.239 --> 0:48:27.719 the comics, like in the in the Sam Wilson Captain 0:48:27.760 --> 0:48:30.919 America comics where Sam's out there and he like sets 0:48:31.000 --> 0:48:33.200 up a one eight hundred number and he's doing stuff 0:48:33.239 --> 0:48:35.600 like on it, it's much more ground level, like he's 0:48:35.600 --> 0:48:37.359 not sure where the money's coming from. Like he has 0:48:37.400 --> 0:48:39.680 a you know, he has like the Marvel version of 0:48:39.680 --> 0:48:43.799 like a Patreon like Captain Verica. You know, like, are 0:48:43.840 --> 0:48:47.560 we gonna see Sam doing stuff independently on his own? 0:48:47.600 --> 0:48:50.680 And what does that mean in terms of like you know, 0:48:50.920 --> 0:48:53.920 like his ability to get you know, take care of 0:48:53.960 --> 0:48:56.600 his his weaponry, his suits, all that stuff, Like is 0:48:56.600 --> 0:48:58.520 he just going to be doing it on his own 0:48:58.560 --> 0:49:00.879 dime or how that is fascinating to me. And that's 0:49:00.920 --> 0:49:03.600 kind of like Marvel DNA too, is like, you know, 0:49:03.680 --> 0:49:05.799 Marvel Heroes worrying about where the red's gonna come from. 0:49:05.880 --> 0:49:07.560 Yeah, you know that bikes me curious. 0:49:07.800 --> 0:49:09.560 This is a complete wild pitch, but I wondered if 0:49:09.560 --> 0:49:11.680 that becomes like their version of Heroes for Hire. It's 0:49:11.760 --> 0:49:14.400 him and Bucky, yeah whoever, like getting a call on 0:49:14.480 --> 0:49:17.279 like the Falcon phone and being like, all right, we 0:49:17.320 --> 0:49:19.520 need to go bust up some guys in Lower East 0:49:19.520 --> 0:49:21.840 Manhattan or whatever. And that's how we're taking care of 0:49:21.880 --> 0:49:23.799 the boat this week maybe. 0:49:25.719 --> 0:49:29.280 And next up most recently is Loki. The series Loki. 0:49:30.120 --> 0:49:32.120 After the events of the Avengers and the Time Heist 0:49:32.160 --> 0:49:36.920 in spring twenty twelve, Loki is he escapes into the timeline, 0:49:37.000 --> 0:49:41.560 he is captured by the TVA, and there he discovers 0:49:41.640 --> 0:49:44.719 that not only are there multiple versions of himself through 0:49:44.800 --> 0:49:48.400 multiple versions of the Timeline that he knows, but reality 0:49:48.440 --> 0:49:51.480 and time itself are just like way way, way, way, 0:49:51.520 --> 0:49:56.319 way way way weird than he could have ever imagined. 0:49:56.840 --> 0:50:00.520 And this one it is like a colossal fl that 0:50:00.640 --> 0:50:03.640 just like on the final episode of like Loki, on 0:50:03.680 --> 0:50:08.879 Disney plus Marvel's just like, Okay, we've changed the universe completely. Yeah, 0:50:08.960 --> 0:50:10.879 all the stuff that happened in phase one, two three 0:50:11.040 --> 0:50:15.600 actually like was kind of had maybe theoretically have happened 0:50:15.640 --> 0:50:19.000 like countless times before, and it kind of was like 0:50:19.040 --> 0:50:21.680 the outcome was never in doubt, and now the real 0:50:21.719 --> 0:50:24.120 shit starts, Like now is when the actual stuff is. 0:50:24.360 --> 0:50:26.520 Yeah, now the stakes a right, I mean Waltrin put 0:50:26.560 --> 0:50:27.480 his foot all up in this thing. 0:50:27.840 --> 0:50:29.360 Is that. I love that. 0:50:29.560 --> 0:50:31.600 Like you're saying, like the final episode, like we're not 0:50:31.640 --> 0:50:34.200 going to get people fighting, It's gonna it's gonna be 0:50:34.280 --> 0:50:38.040 twenty five minutes of three classically trained, fantastic actors acting 0:50:38.080 --> 0:50:40.239 the shit out of a scene, and the blocking is 0:50:40.440 --> 0:50:42.560 Jonathan Majors eats an apple and sits weird on a 0:50:42.640 --> 0:50:44.760 chair Like that's it. That's the most action that happens. 0:50:45.440 --> 0:50:47.520 As you give a huge download and red conn of 0:50:47.600 --> 0:50:49.440 like everything you've experienced up at this point for the 0:50:49.480 --> 0:50:52.480 past twenty something movies of Marvel. I love it, like 0:50:52.719 --> 0:50:55.200 they stuck the landing. This has everything that I love 0:50:55.280 --> 0:50:58.560 about Cosmic Marvel. It's weird out the gate ye you 0:50:58.600 --> 0:51:01.560 can see the DNA of of Rick and Morty, Mike Walter, 0:51:01.640 --> 0:51:04.000 and the showrunner was a Rick and Mordy described forever 0:51:05.080 --> 0:51:06.720 and I think it is like number two. Tom Coffin 0:51:06.760 --> 0:51:08.600 was another Rick and Morty person. So like when you 0:51:08.640 --> 0:51:10.719 see these weird things, like when they have like, oh, 0:51:10.760 --> 0:51:14.440 here's ice giant Loki, here's twe de France Loki, here's whatever, 0:51:14.440 --> 0:51:16.440 like all that weird stuff that you would see in 0:51:16.520 --> 0:51:19.800 like reading those like big galactic cosmic comic books. 0:51:19.800 --> 0:51:21.239 They captured that beautifully. 0:51:21.800 --> 0:51:23.719 And this is just another small detail that also made 0:51:23.800 --> 0:51:25.520 me love it, Like where they're stuck on like the 0:51:25.719 --> 0:51:27.759 at the end of Existence whatever, and they're in like 0:51:27.800 --> 0:51:30.200 the low key base and they're pinning down to the dirt. 0:51:30.239 --> 0:51:32.359 It's like a little Loki trapped in like a little jar. 0:51:32.480 --> 0:51:35.640 I'm like, that's one hundred percent weird comic book that 0:51:35.719 --> 0:51:39.320 someone draws in like one panel that like yeah, people 0:51:39.320 --> 0:51:41.080 will take a screencap on and then like it never 0:51:41.120 --> 0:51:43.680 referenced again. Like this show for me is like the 0:51:43.719 --> 0:51:47.160 perfect distillation of like what weird fun comic book TV 0:51:47.200 --> 0:51:48.400 show adaptation should be. 0:51:48.480 --> 0:51:49.120 And like I. 0:51:49.080 --> 0:51:52.080 Cannot wait to see more more of this because now 0:51:52.080 --> 0:51:54.000 there's stakes, Like like you say, like they reset the 0:51:54.000 --> 0:51:56.040 new status quote like what's going to be happening and 0:51:56.080 --> 0:51:58.080 then're all with universes going forward. 0:51:59.080 --> 0:51:59.279 Yeah. 0:51:59.440 --> 0:52:03.719 The thing, the thing that has always like gripped me 0:52:03.800 --> 0:52:05.879 about comics from the first time I started reading them 0:52:06.600 --> 0:52:13.400 was just like the complete boundless energy of the things 0:52:13.400 --> 0:52:16.520 that you could see, like crazy aliens that you would 0:52:16.560 --> 0:52:20.120 never expect, like weird world stuff happening on like in 0:52:20.160 --> 0:52:23.280 the past that's also happening in the future, like huge 0:52:23.280 --> 0:52:25.640 monsters that live under the ocean, Like there's there was 0:52:25.719 --> 0:52:29.799 no limit to it. And this Loki really it went 0:52:29.840 --> 0:52:32.040 there like as much as you could go there on 0:52:32.080 --> 0:52:36.000 television you mentioned Michael Waldron and the connections to Rereco Morni. 0:52:36.040 --> 0:52:38.440 There was like some fun, some real fun, Like it 0:52:38.480 --> 0:52:44.239 felt like direct references. There's in the finale, Jonathan Majors 0:52:44.040 --> 0:52:47.120 as Kang Slash a Mortists whoever. 0:52:47.520 --> 0:52:49.759 Says something like what does he say? 0:52:49.800 --> 0:52:53.319 He says like, oh, yes, you know, we're supposed to 0:52:53.880 --> 0:52:57.600 enter into an adventure and emerge forever change, Yeah, which 0:52:57.680 --> 0:53:00.560 is like a direct reference to the know the fame 0:53:00.680 --> 0:53:03.799 Dan Harmon story circle, which is how he designs many 0:53:03.840 --> 0:53:07.440 of his stories about a hero like entering a new world, 0:53:07.520 --> 0:53:07.960 et cetera. 0:53:08.520 --> 0:53:09.560 And it felt like a call that. 0:53:09.800 --> 0:53:12.040 Yeah, it felt like it had to shout out my 0:53:12.040 --> 0:53:14.160 favorite line and that it's also the exact same scene 0:53:14.239 --> 0:53:16.760 is like we're crossing the threshold, like he just blatantly 0:53:16.840 --> 0:53:18.640 says it. I'm like, oh, you can just say that, 0:53:18.680 --> 0:53:20.319 Like that's how you can like get that in front 0:53:20.360 --> 0:53:22.359 of that, Like he just blatly says it. As they're 0:53:22.400 --> 0:53:24.719 like discovering that, like the universe has now entered the 0:53:24.760 --> 0:53:27.080 point where he doesn't know what's gonna happen. Like I 0:53:27.120 --> 0:53:29.480 loved all that stuff. It's the most fun to me. 0:53:29.520 --> 0:53:32.879 It's like the most fun a fun show I've seen 0:53:32.960 --> 0:53:35.000 from Marvel. And like I think that is what the 0:53:35.000 --> 0:53:36.399 bar has been said at and like I think that's 0:53:36.400 --> 0:53:38.759 what everyone should be. Like pacing the out match like 0:53:38.800 --> 0:53:40.799 it had to like hit the same beats obviously, but 0:53:40.920 --> 0:53:43.840 like something new and weird to like keep you refreshing. 0:53:43.840 --> 0:53:45.280 It felt like a very it felt like a nice, 0:53:45.880 --> 0:53:49.080 a nice refreshing spritzer. And what in the Superhero world. 0:53:49.920 --> 0:53:53.200 Yeah, and it's so the big setup is the multiverse 0:53:53.239 --> 0:53:58.600 exists now, and so while in the TVA era there 0:53:58.800 --> 0:54:02.720 was essentially one kind of big outcome that was cycling 0:54:02.760 --> 0:54:05.480 all the time. And while there were many, many, many 0:54:06.040 --> 0:54:10.359 we should assume different timelines. They weren't technically infinite because 0:54:10.400 --> 0:54:13.680 they were always pruning these wild timelines that diverged too 0:54:13.800 --> 0:54:16.719 much from the kind of central quote unquote six one 0:54:16.680 --> 0:54:19.879 sixth timeline. Now it's all fractured. There's stuff all over 0:54:19.920 --> 0:54:23.480 the place. You have like Peggy Carter as Captain America. 0:54:23.600 --> 0:54:29.080 You have T'shalla is is picked up by ya because yeah, 0:54:29.120 --> 0:54:31.680 it becomes it becomes the leader of the Guardian's Galaxy. 0:54:31.680 --> 0:54:36.440 There's like all these kind of true multiversal worlds now, 0:54:36.520 --> 0:54:41.359 and that is you mentioned it previously. It's just it's 0:54:41.400 --> 0:54:45.239 given Marvel like the most powerful tool that you can 0:54:45.320 --> 0:54:48.279 have as a storyteller, which is like we can just 0:54:48.320 --> 0:54:51.720 bring anything we want in from any other world. Zombies, 0:54:51.760 --> 0:54:54.080 we got it. Like you you want to do mutants 0:54:54.080 --> 0:54:55.719 this way, we can do it this way. We bring them, 0:54:55.760 --> 0:54:58.360 bring them right in. What about a clash of worlds 0:54:58.360 --> 0:55:00.320 where like two worlds actually smashed together. 0:55:00.920 --> 0:55:02.880 They didn't courage, they didn'courage. 0:55:03.840 --> 0:55:05.400 It feels like they're going to do it right because 0:55:06.400 --> 0:55:09.719 so Incursions is for those that don't know, is a 0:55:10.040 --> 0:55:15.799 sprawling Jonathan Hickman storyline about the collapse of the multiverse 0:55:16.000 --> 0:55:21.440 and the kind of desperate fight by a select and 0:55:21.680 --> 0:55:26.320 secret group of heroes on Earth to allow Earth to 0:55:26.440 --> 0:55:30.480 survive by destroying every other Earth that crashes into it. 0:55:30.560 --> 0:55:33.600 That means they're destroying entire realities of other people. 0:55:34.120 --> 0:55:37.400 And you know, in the in the opening uh cinematic 0:55:37.800 --> 0:55:40.279 of the finale of Loki, you see like these two 0:55:40.400 --> 0:55:42.760 worlds kind of crashing, and man if they did it, yeah. 0:55:43.080 --> 0:55:45.920 Oh boy, I'm I'm literally getting goose pumps right now. 0:55:45.960 --> 0:55:47.759 It's like that's one of my I mean, Hickman is 0:55:48.080 --> 0:55:50.120 a comic writing god, but like that to me is 0:55:50.160 --> 0:55:52.360 like one of my absolute favorite series. I hope that 0:55:52.440 --> 0:55:55.040 that's what the building towards, because they will have absolutely 0:55:55.080 --> 0:55:58.279 every single one of my sense for the next three 0:55:58.320 --> 0:55:59.800 phases if that's what they're building towards. 0:56:00.800 --> 0:56:04.440 Uh So, this series introduced the TVA, which is the 0:56:04.560 --> 0:56:11.239 kind of like bureaucratic governmental agency that manages the timeline 0:56:11.360 --> 0:56:14.879 this is this comes directly from the pages of Walt 0:56:14.960 --> 0:56:20.800 Simons's Run on Thour. Mobius was based on you know, 0:56:21.040 --> 0:56:26.840 beloved Marvel editor and writer Mark Grunwald, who also wrote 0:56:28.160 --> 0:56:30.440 a lot of the material that ended up in Fulcon 0:56:30.480 --> 0:56:33.840 and The Winter Soldier, and Mark as an editor, was 0:56:34.000 --> 0:56:36.960 known as like the lore guy. Like if if you 0:56:37.040 --> 0:56:39.160 were a writer, you're writing something like, hey, can I make? 0:56:39.560 --> 0:56:42.480 Can can I make? Like a spider man lose his job, 0:56:42.640 --> 0:56:46.040 and then you know, Markugo, you can't do that because like, yeah, 0:56:47.520 --> 0:56:50.360 fifteen years ago, Steve Ditko did this, and YadA YadA. 0:56:50.239 --> 0:56:53.080 Those the glue guys of the comic book world, the glue. 0:56:52.840 --> 0:56:53.959 Guys of the comic book world. 0:56:54.239 --> 0:56:56.759 And so it was a fun little homage to him 0:56:56.920 --> 0:56:59.359 that he then becomes Mobius in the comics, and then 0:56:59.560 --> 0:57:03.520 that carearacter is now on TV doing that exact same thing. 0:57:03.920 --> 0:57:06.360 We get the first appearance of Ravona Renslayer, who is 0:57:06.800 --> 0:57:09.359 in the comics a love interest of Kang. We get 0:57:09.360 --> 0:57:13.040 the first appearance of Sylvie, a Loki variant whose nexus 0:57:13.080 --> 0:57:17.000 event still remains unknown, and then of course we get Kang. 0:57:17.320 --> 0:57:20.880 My boy is gonna be basically like the Thanos of 0:57:22.400 --> 0:57:24.760 I don't know, Phase four, Like, so Thanos was the 0:57:24.920 --> 0:57:28.560 Thanos of Phase one, two three, So will will Kang 0:57:28.680 --> 0:57:31.680 be like four, five, six, We don't know, but like 0:57:31.800 --> 0:57:33.360 he's the big bad right, now. 0:57:33.360 --> 0:57:35.440 Yeah, I mean, I mean, I mean, I don't know 0:57:35.480 --> 0:57:37.160 if they're how close a sticking in the comics, but 0:57:37.280 --> 0:57:40.160 like you know, the Fantastic Four is coming out at 0:57:40.200 --> 0:57:43.080 some point, Like I'm assuming he's I mean, part of 0:57:43.120 --> 0:57:44.400 me is just like, I mean, we're gonna have a 0:57:44.440 --> 0:57:44.840 black read. 0:57:44.920 --> 0:57:47.480 Richard's like, that's that's honestly what I what I I'm 0:57:47.520 --> 0:57:47.800 opening to. 0:57:47.960 --> 0:57:50.200 I think so like that's on the that's heavily on 0:57:50.280 --> 0:57:50.560 the table. 0:57:50.600 --> 0:57:53.960 So we should let's quickly Oh sorry, I got tunnel vision. 0:57:54.920 --> 0:57:55.640 We got on back it. 0:57:55.760 --> 0:58:00.400 So Kang So the Kang the Conqueror is actually several 0:58:00.720 --> 0:58:03.640 discreet characters. They're all the same person at different stages 0:58:03.720 --> 0:58:05.680 of this person's extremely long life. 0:58:06.160 --> 0:58:07.880 They were born Nathaniel. 0:58:07.440 --> 0:58:11.680 Richards Okay, who is read Richard's father from another timeline, 0:58:12.280 --> 0:58:16.280 who gets bored with how like peaceful everything is in 0:58:16.400 --> 0:58:18.920 his timeline. He finds a time machine. He goes off. 0:58:18.960 --> 0:58:23.160 He becomes the King of the Pharaoh of Egypt, and 0:58:23.320 --> 0:58:27.320 that's his Rama tut kind of personality. The Fantastic Four 0:58:27.360 --> 0:58:30.560 tussle with him there. He goes back into the timeline decides, 0:58:30.600 --> 0:58:32.400 you know what, like Egypt is not enough. I want 0:58:32.440 --> 0:58:34.960 to conquer like all of time, he becomes Kang the Conqueror. 0:58:35.480 --> 0:58:39.880 Now Kang the Conqueror who manages to conquer all of 0:58:40.000 --> 0:58:42.400 the timelines and kill all the various versions of himself 0:58:42.440 --> 0:58:46.040 that he doesn't like, then gets like tired and kind 0:58:46.080 --> 0:58:49.440 of old and becomes this character Immortis, who is more 0:58:49.600 --> 0:58:53.880 like a managerial type who like outsources the management of 0:58:54.000 --> 0:58:57.600 the timeline to like these various subcontractors, including the TVA. 0:58:58.280 --> 0:59:01.560 So really who we saw was immortals yea. 0:59:01.840 --> 0:59:05.480 But yes, as you noted, this raises the possibility that 0:59:05.560 --> 0:59:08.920 this character is Read Richard's dad. We could have a 0:59:09.040 --> 0:59:12.640 black Read Richards, which fantastic, I love it. Yeah, we could, 0:59:12.720 --> 0:59:17.600 And I should add that means potentially like a black 0:59:17.640 --> 0:59:21.000 Doctor Doom as well, because there is also the suggestion 0:59:21.200 --> 0:59:23.360 that like doctor Doom is. 0:59:23.400 --> 0:59:27.720 A variant of one of the Kang variants. 0:59:28.240 --> 0:59:30.800 I think he's that's a long way of us saying 0:59:30.840 --> 0:59:32.680 that I think he's gonna be here for a while, 0:59:32.800 --> 0:59:36.040 Like Jonathan Major when he's like young, you know, so 0:59:36.200 --> 0:59:38.840 like he his face screams, I got ten of these 0:59:38.880 --> 0:59:41.480 in me, So I feel like I feel like he's 0:59:41.520 --> 0:59:41.880 going to be. 0:59:41.880 --> 0:59:42.600 Here for a minute. 0:59:43.120 --> 0:59:45.360 And none of this works, by the way, if he's not, yeah, 0:59:45.640 --> 0:59:49.280 like go like putting up like fifty points, twenty rebounds 0:59:49.360 --> 0:59:53.640 and twenty assists. Yeah, like it in forty eight minutes 0:59:53.800 --> 0:59:58.080 of like like he just like absolutely destroyed it. I'm 0:59:58.120 --> 1:00:01.080 really excited. And I will say that you know, I 1:00:01.200 --> 1:00:04.760 was talking with our producer Chris before this, and you know, 1:00:05.720 --> 1:00:09.200 there is that there was a little bit he was 1:00:09.960 --> 1:00:13.640 expressing a little bit of like feeling of dissatisfaction because 1:00:13.640 --> 1:00:16.600 it's like it's it's a it doesn't close, like it 1:00:16.720 --> 1:00:19.160 keeps going like there's this is like really this is 1:00:19.240 --> 1:00:21.840 like the one shot before Secret Wars, like the Road 1:00:21.880 --> 1:00:25.400 to Secret Wars of comic book. But I guess you 1:00:25.480 --> 1:00:28.080 know this is just again like you you laid out 1:00:28.080 --> 1:00:30.680 your bias a layout mine. I'm a lifelong comic book 1:00:30.760 --> 1:00:33.080 fan at whose brain has been melted by all of 1:00:33.160 --> 1:00:36.080 this stuff for years and years and years. It that 1:00:36.280 --> 1:00:38.240 is just like a storytelling format that makes a lot 1:00:38.280 --> 1:00:40.200 of sense to me. That is like, oh, yeah, of 1:00:40.240 --> 1:00:42.400 course it doesn't end here. Like we I turned the page, 1:00:42.640 --> 1:00:45.120 they're on the last page. The person rips off the 1:00:45.160 --> 1:00:47.720 hood and it's kang or it's Ultron or it's whoever, 1:00:48.040 --> 1:00:49.120 and now it's like, well I. 1:00:49.160 --> 1:00:50.720 Go, now I gotta buy like yeah, and then you 1:00:50.760 --> 1:00:54.400 see like check out King continues and Masters of the 1:00:54.480 --> 1:00:55.800 Universe numbers tventy four or whatever. 1:00:55.920 --> 1:01:02.400 Yeah, I'm excited about that. Welcome to the Omnibus. This 1:01:02.640 --> 1:01:07.440 is the segment where I will give us some historical contexts, 1:01:07.680 --> 1:01:11.520 some pop cultural context to the subjects that we are 1:01:11.960 --> 1:01:15.760 discussing during the episode. And for this episode, let's talk 1:01:15.800 --> 1:01:19.600 about Loki's history, both as a comic book character and 1:01:19.920 --> 1:01:23.200 as a figure in Norse myth. Loki on Disney Plus 1:01:23.360 --> 1:01:26.360 represents the continuation of a tale that has existed in 1:01:26.480 --> 1:01:30.520 popular storytelling traditions for over a thousand years, which is 1:01:30.640 --> 1:01:35.080 incredibly cool, right. That's a super super wild that we 1:01:35.280 --> 1:01:38.120 have currently in our pop culture, a character who has 1:01:38.400 --> 1:01:42.200 just been running around for over a millennium. So, as 1:01:42.240 --> 1:01:46.400 we think about Loki's evolution from bad guy to antihero 1:01:46.640 --> 1:01:49.960 and to perhaps by the time Phase four really gets 1:01:50.040 --> 1:01:52.520 going a flat out good guy, we should remember that 1:01:52.640 --> 1:01:56.640 the beginning of this tale isn't twenty eleven's four or 1:01:56.760 --> 1:02:00.120 even nineteen sixty two's Journey into Mystery. Eighty five of 1:02:00.680 --> 1:02:04.080 his official marvel debut. It begins with poems composed as 1:02:04.160 --> 1:02:08.360 far back as the mid eight hundred's AD. The events 1:02:08.360 --> 1:02:11.400 of Thor, The Dark World, Thor, Ragnarok, and Infinity War 1:02:11.560 --> 1:02:14.640 established that Loki is capable of evolving for the better. 1:02:15.320 --> 1:02:17.720 But of course, the Loki of this show is not 1:02:18.680 --> 1:02:23.640 that Loki, As the events of Loki on Disney Plus 1:02:23.720 --> 1:02:26.920 have shown us, the multiverse exists, and there are various 1:02:27.000 --> 1:02:30.400 versions of the characters that we know and love inhabiting 1:02:30.440 --> 1:02:34.680 those various worlds. This Loki hasn't experienced his mother Frigga's 1:02:34.680 --> 1:02:36.760 death at the hands of Malachith and the Dark Elves. 1:02:36.800 --> 1:02:40.000 He never experienced the death of his father Odin fighting 1:02:40.040 --> 1:02:42.680 side by side with his brother against Hella. He hasn't 1:02:42.800 --> 1:02:46.040 witnessed the destruction of Asgard by Serder, or the scattering 1:02:46.120 --> 1:02:49.160 of the Asgardian people, their near destruction at the hands 1:02:49.200 --> 1:02:51.720 of Thanos, nor his own death by the hands of 1:02:51.800 --> 1:02:54.960 that man Titan. Making a hero out of this Loki 1:02:55.240 --> 1:02:59.400 is or was an audacious task. Marvel's The Avengers is 1:02:59.480 --> 1:03:01.640 nearly a deck old now, so you'd be forgiven for 1:03:01.760 --> 1:03:05.600 forgetting how evil Loki, charmingly portrayed by Tom Hittleston is 1:03:05.840 --> 1:03:10.240 in that film. He commits roughly a half dozen murderers, 1:03:10.320 --> 1:03:12.360 give or take within the first few minutes of appearing 1:03:12.400 --> 1:03:16.760 on screen. And when Loki takes Hostages and Stuttgart, a 1:03:16.880 --> 1:03:18.720 German Man who is old enough to have lived through 1:03:18.720 --> 1:03:22.600 World War two compares Loki to Hitler. So basically a 1:03:22.640 --> 1:03:27.480 guy stands up and says, from my personal experience with Hitler, 1:03:28.200 --> 1:03:29.280 you are Hitler. 1:03:30.600 --> 1:03:31.280 In that film. 1:03:31.560 --> 1:03:34.200 Loki then straight up stabs Phil Colson in the back 1:03:34.720 --> 1:03:39.000 and okay, he didn't die then, as Agents of Shields 1:03:39.080 --> 1:03:41.760 fans know. And of course the last half hour of 1:03:41.800 --> 1:03:45.040 the Avengers movie is an extended reference to nine to eleven, 1:03:45.280 --> 1:03:49.560 with various buildings in Manhattan getting destroyed once again. The Avengers, 1:03:49.600 --> 1:03:52.320 which pulled in a billion and a half dollars, compares 1:03:52.400 --> 1:03:55.680 Loki to Hitler and bin Laden. And now we watched 1:03:55.800 --> 1:03:58.480 Loki in Loki's very own show, and we're like, yeah, 1:03:58.520 --> 1:04:02.680 this guy's great, we like him, he's hero ps. Somehow, 1:04:02.760 --> 1:04:05.920 only seventy four people were killed during Loki's Tritari invasion. 1:04:06.040 --> 1:04:09.200 Per Colonel Thunderbolt Ross's briefing in Captain America Civil War. 1:04:09.400 --> 1:04:13.520 That is hard to believe, but shouts the Avengers. They 1:04:13.840 --> 1:04:18.520 obviously did an incredible job. Loki, the show with less runway, 1:04:18.640 --> 1:04:23.080 sparks this turn from villain to hero or at least 1:04:23.120 --> 1:04:27.680 anti hero, by returning Loki to his folk mythology roots. 1:04:28.120 --> 1:04:31.120 The Loki of Norse mythology is a trickster, a prankster 1:04:31.320 --> 1:04:35.560 who galvanizes the gods with his scheming, criticizes and sometimes 1:04:35.640 --> 1:04:37.560 mocks them with his words, and who is as much 1:04:37.600 --> 1:04:41.680 a force for progress and renewal as destruction. The Asgardians 1:04:41.720 --> 1:04:45.160 of Marvel comics and films, including Odin Frigga Thorn, Loki 1:04:45.680 --> 1:04:48.720 come to us from Norse mythology, the pre Christian belief 1:04:48.760 --> 1:04:51.800 system of the North Germanic peoples who came from Scandinavia 1:04:52.240 --> 1:04:55.160 between the ninth and eleventh centuries a day, including the 1:04:55.240 --> 1:04:57.920 famed raiders who we all know known as the Vikings. 1:04:59.080 --> 1:05:03.160 Loki's historic origins are mysterious. The definitive source of the 1:05:03.240 --> 1:05:07.560 name Loki is elusive, but recent etymological research showing that 1:05:07.720 --> 1:05:10.760 Loki in medieval Iceland was used interchangeably with the old 1:05:10.880 --> 1:05:14.400 word for not seems to suggest that the meaning of 1:05:14.480 --> 1:05:18.200 Loki's name was not or tangle. This theory would seem 1:05:18.200 --> 1:05:20.520 to fit with Loki's role in Norse myth as the 1:05:20.640 --> 1:05:25.520 inventor of fishnets. A fascinating commonality of the trickster god 1:05:25.640 --> 1:05:27.960 myths from around the world is their link to fishing. 1:05:28.520 --> 1:05:31.640 In many Native American creation stories, it's the coyote who 1:05:31.720 --> 1:05:34.640 teaches humans how to catch salmon by making traps out 1:05:34.680 --> 1:05:37.880 of logs and branches. The raven in North Pacific Coast 1:05:37.960 --> 1:05:41.000 mythology created the fish hook and taught humans and spiders 1:05:41.520 --> 1:05:44.400 how to craft nets. As Lewis Hyde notes in his 1:05:44.480 --> 1:05:48.440 overview of the Trickster archetype, trickster makes this world quote 1:05:48.880 --> 1:05:50.880 east and west, north and south. This is the oldest 1:05:50.880 --> 1:05:53.240 trick in the book. No trickster has ever been credited 1:05:53.320 --> 1:05:57.000 with inventing the potato peeler, the gas meter, or tuning fork, 1:05:57.440 --> 1:06:00.480 but trickster invents the fish trap. What we know of 1:06:00.560 --> 1:06:03.680 Norse mythology comes from the prose Eda and the poetic Eta. 1:06:04.200 --> 1:06:06.160 The first is a collection of Norse poems that were 1:06:06.200 --> 1:06:09.800 compiled and probably to some extent written or adapted by 1:06:09.880 --> 1:06:13.400 an Icelandic politician, lawmaker, and history nerd with the delightful 1:06:13.480 --> 1:06:19.840 name Snorri Stirlerson Snorri Sturlison in or around the year 1:06:19.920 --> 1:06:23.320 twelve twenty. The second is a collection of Icelandic poems. However, 1:06:23.720 --> 1:06:28.000 these are of unknown authorship. The prose Eda is thought 1:06:28.040 --> 1:06:31.720 to contain the oldest Norse poems, some possibly dating back 1:06:31.760 --> 1:06:35.800 to before the tenth century. Loki is nowhere to be 1:06:35.880 --> 1:06:39.480 found in two of the oldest sources in the poetic Eda. Likewise, 1:06:40.360 --> 1:06:44.240 Loki is absent from the early thirteenth century historian Saxo 1:06:44.360 --> 1:06:49.760 Grammaticus's work Deeds of the Danes, which extensively discusses Norse mythology. 1:06:50.280 --> 1:06:54.640 Historian Emma Grunfeld writes on worldhistory dot Org that quote 1:06:55.120 --> 1:06:57.840 this might indicate that Loki was more of a regional feature, 1:06:57.920 --> 1:07:01.840 rather than being omnipresent throughout the Germanic world. Indeed, sources 1:07:01.880 --> 1:07:04.480 on Loki are limited to the northern Germanic regions, and 1:07:04.520 --> 1:07:08.440 Loki himself has no direct parallel in broader Germanic mythology. 1:07:09.080 --> 1:07:13.080 In other words, Loki might be, I don't know, like 1:07:13.280 --> 1:07:16.840 puetine or something like that, a local delicacy, but one 1:07:16.920 --> 1:07:22.000 that is renowned. Loki's role within Norse mythology is likewise unique. 1:07:22.040 --> 1:07:24.000 He is a trickster. He's fond of pranks. 1:07:24.000 --> 1:07:28.640 He creates mischief by reacting creatively to happenstance and fate. 1:07:29.240 --> 1:07:32.400 Not a hero, he's also not necessarily a bad guy. 1:07:32.520 --> 1:07:35.320 He is a foil, a kind of arch nemesis for 1:07:35.360 --> 1:07:38.040 the Norse gods and a reason for them to use 1:07:38.160 --> 1:07:41.360 their godly powers. He plays, of course, a similar role 1:07:41.400 --> 1:07:43.840 in the MCU, providing the catalyst for the avengers to 1:07:44.040 --> 1:07:47.320 assemble sometimes though the gods need to be taken down 1:07:47.360 --> 1:07:51.000 a peg. Loki plays a subversive role in this belief 1:07:51.080 --> 1:07:54.240 system by openly criticizing, even mocking, the gods for their 1:07:54.320 --> 1:07:58.600 various indiscretions, their moral failings, in their hypocrisies. He's able 1:07:58.680 --> 1:08:01.160 to criticize in part because of his essential nature, the 1:08:01.280 --> 1:08:04.240 child of a yotan, a giant, the enemies of the gods. 1:08:04.840 --> 1:08:07.880 As part god and part giant, yet belonged to neither culture, 1:08:08.000 --> 1:08:10.840 Loki acts as a bridge, a point of convergence between 1:08:10.880 --> 1:08:14.200 two opposite and opposing worldviews. Loki is what happens when 1:08:14.240 --> 1:08:17.120 someone is made to feel that they don't belong. In 1:08:17.240 --> 1:08:19.360 the prose Etta, when Loki, after making a promise to 1:08:19.439 --> 1:08:23.400 a giant disguised as an eagle lures Eden, the keeper 1:08:23.479 --> 1:08:26.040 of the Fruits of Immortality, out of Asgard. The gods 1:08:26.080 --> 1:08:28.519 begin to age and their power is going to decline. 1:08:28.960 --> 1:08:31.680 But before the gods pass away Grain wrinkled, bringing it 1:08:31.760 --> 1:08:35.479 into the entire world. Loki rescues Eden and turns her 1:08:35.520 --> 1:08:37.639 to as God, repairing the problem. And this is kind 1:08:37.640 --> 1:08:40.040 of like the essence of Loki's particular brand of mischief. 1:08:40.439 --> 1:08:45.280 He creates traps which can often threaten existence itself. He 1:08:45.439 --> 1:08:48.880 then falls into the trap that he created, and then 1:08:48.920 --> 1:08:52.160 he solves them before too much harm is done. As 1:08:52.240 --> 1:08:54.800 Lewis Hyde points out and his book Trickster Makes This World, 1:08:55.400 --> 1:08:58.000 despite the fact that Loki managed to avert his self 1:08:58.080 --> 1:09:02.720 made crises, they quote nonetheless indicate Loki's potential as a 1:09:02.800 --> 1:09:06.320 cataclysmic change agent. We should do well to remember this, 1:09:06.439 --> 1:09:09.280 as Loki is basically a good guy now, but he 1:09:09.800 --> 1:09:13.519 always retains this potential to blow up everything we know. 1:09:14.200 --> 1:09:17.480 Many researchers have noted that the Loki of Snorri Stirlison's 1:09:17.520 --> 1:09:19.840 prose Eta is more evil than his depiction in the 1:09:19.880 --> 1:09:23.280 poetic Eta. Snorri, a learned man of his time, was 1:09:23.320 --> 1:09:26.120 a Christian, and his ata strives to bring the Norse 1:09:26.200 --> 1:09:28.880 myths into the context of a world in which Christianity 1:09:29.080 --> 1:09:32.439 is the one true religion. There's nobody in the Christian 1:09:32.520 --> 1:09:34.800 canon that really goes out of their way to roast 1:09:35.080 --> 1:09:37.800 Jesus Christ in the way that Loki roast Thor and 1:09:37.960 --> 1:09:41.479 Odin in the Norse poems. Snorri's Loki becomes then Loki 1:09:41.560 --> 1:09:44.439 the Liar, a stand in for the Antichrist in the 1:09:44.520 --> 1:09:49.160 prose at A, Loki fulfills his apocalyptic potential by murdering Balder. 1:09:49.280 --> 1:09:53.400 The brave Balder, the beloved son of Odin, the pure 1:09:53.439 --> 1:09:55.719 and good God of Light, the son of Odin and Friga, 1:09:55.800 --> 1:09:59.000 and the brother of Thor. Balder is handsome and heroic 1:09:59.160 --> 1:10:02.120 and bright, And one day Balder wakes up haunted by 1:10:02.200 --> 1:10:04.920 dreams that he will come to harm. He shares these 1:10:05.000 --> 1:10:08.959 fears with his mother and alarmed Frigure then travels everywhere 1:10:09.479 --> 1:10:15.799 across the heavens and the earths to ask literally everything, animals, humans, rocks, water, air, everything, 1:10:16.120 --> 1:10:19.040 to swear not to harm her son Balder. Once these 1:10:19.120 --> 1:10:22.200 promises are extracted, the gods have a party where they 1:10:22.320 --> 1:10:25.320 hurl various things at Balder and watch with delight as 1:10:25.560 --> 1:10:29.559 each projectile falls harmlessly at his feet, and Loki watches 1:10:29.600 --> 1:10:30.639 this and he's annoyed. 1:10:30.680 --> 1:10:31.160 He hates it. 1:10:31.520 --> 1:10:35.840 It infuriates him, which I find quite relatable. Right, Balder 1:10:36.000 --> 1:10:42.760 is this beautiful, powerful god. He is now totally invulnerable 1:10:42.880 --> 1:10:46.240 because his mother couldn't bear the thought of any harm 1:10:46.439 --> 1:10:49.360 possibly coming to him, And Loki is like, this guy 1:10:49.400 --> 1:10:51.080 has everything, and now he has this too. 1:10:51.680 --> 1:10:52.679 Ah but wait. 1:10:53.960 --> 1:10:58.960 Driven by this annoyance and curiosity, Loki, disguised as an 1:10:59.000 --> 1:11:01.800 old woman, chats with again discovers that Friga cut a 1:11:01.880 --> 1:11:05.639 corner she didn't get an oath from a certain species 1:11:05.680 --> 1:11:08.240 of bush which attaches itself to trees and retains its 1:11:08.280 --> 1:11:12.000 green throughout the winter, called mistletoe. Loki runs off and 1:11:12.040 --> 1:11:14.479 finds some. He makes a little dart out of a 1:11:14.520 --> 1:11:18.040 sprig of mistletoe and convinces the god Hod to throw 1:11:18.080 --> 1:11:20.000 it at Balder, and Hod does and baldered eyes. 1:11:20.600 --> 1:11:21.080 A lot of. 1:11:21.439 --> 1:11:25.639 Terrible things happen after this, including the gods in their wrath, 1:11:25.880 --> 1:11:29.880 tying up Loki with one of his children's intestines, which 1:11:30.000 --> 1:11:33.680 is aggressive, and eventually Ragnarok. Of course, the death of 1:11:33.720 --> 1:11:36.040 the gods followed in good time by the rebirth of 1:11:36.160 --> 1:11:39.840 the world. Marvel's decision to clothe Loki in green ever 1:11:39.920 --> 1:11:42.360 since his debut in nineteen sixty two is probably a 1:11:42.479 --> 1:11:45.519 function of the limited color palette available at the time 1:11:46.160 --> 1:11:48.519 of his debut and journey into Mystery number eighty five, 1:11:49.080 --> 1:11:51.479 But whether by accident or not, the color was the 1:11:51.560 --> 1:11:55.000 perfect choice. Green evokes jealousy, one of the defining traits 1:11:55.040 --> 1:11:59.560 of Marvel's Loki's always annoyed at how bloved Thor is. 1:12:00.280 --> 1:12:03.599 But on a deeper mythical level, the color calls back 1:12:03.640 --> 1:12:06.719 to Loki's most infamous weapon, the missletoe. Just as Loki 1:12:07.000 --> 1:12:10.160 is the bridge linking the gods and the giants, missletoe 1:12:10.280 --> 1:12:14.000 and evergreen links summer and winter, growth and desolation, life 1:12:14.040 --> 1:12:14.360 and death. 1:12:22.280 --> 1:12:22.840 Welcome to the. 1:12:22.880 --> 1:12:25.439 Hive Mind, our panel segment where we bring in some 1:12:25.560 --> 1:12:29.240 special guests to discuss a particular subject from this conversation 1:12:29.760 --> 1:12:32.519 now so that we can dive deeper into the worlds 1:12:32.560 --> 1:12:36.400 of Phase four and other places and other universes. Export 1:12:36.439 --> 1:12:39.040 Vision welcomes its very first guest panelist for turning from 1:12:39.080 --> 1:12:42.360 a recent visit to the void. He is my variant 1:12:42.479 --> 1:12:47.160 from the Greek multiverse. The co host of How did 1:12:47.200 --> 1:12:50.599 This get made? Please welcome Jason Manzucas. Jason's great to say, 1:12:52.680 --> 1:12:53.320 let's do. 1:12:53.640 --> 1:12:54.519 This, do this. 1:12:55.680 --> 1:12:58.240 I last saw you on the dough Boys twenty four 1:12:58.360 --> 1:13:02.120 hour stream in which I showed feet and we broke 1:13:02.800 --> 1:13:05.160 and we broke their their payment platform. 1:13:05.240 --> 1:13:07.519 But they had a they had a they were raising 1:13:07.600 --> 1:13:08.439 money for charity. 1:13:08.560 --> 1:13:13.200 We went on together and we we demanded that the 1:13:13.280 --> 1:13:16.600 audience give money so much and they they listened and 1:13:16.720 --> 1:13:17.880 they they they did it. 1:13:18.200 --> 1:13:21.280 They they contributed in such large amounts they crashed the 1:13:21.400 --> 1:13:24.120 PayPal system for that charity fundraiser. 1:13:24.160 --> 1:13:24.639 It was awesome. 1:13:24.680 --> 1:13:27.559 It was an amazing and we raised so much money. 1:13:27.720 --> 1:13:28.920 You showed your feet I did. 1:13:29.640 --> 1:13:30.920 Those are out there if you want to if you 1:13:30.920 --> 1:13:31.599 want to see him. 1:13:31.840 --> 1:13:33.160 Feet, they're on Wiki Feet. 1:13:33.439 --> 1:13:34.000 Check it out. 1:13:34.200 --> 1:13:35.320 You've all got a subscription. 1:13:36.120 --> 1:13:38.559 So the thing I wanted to talk to y'all about 1:13:38.640 --> 1:13:41.840 today is has is is what we are seeing in 1:13:41.920 --> 1:13:46.960 these Disney Plus shows a kind of uh new kind 1:13:47.040 --> 1:13:50.400 of storytelling. So in the finale of Loki, the final 1:13:50.479 --> 1:13:53.000 thirty minutes is the introduction of this character Kang slash 1:13:53.120 --> 1:13:54.400 Mortis slash whoever. 1:13:55.000 --> 1:13:57.680 They don't tell you even the character's. 1:13:57.320 --> 1:14:01.200 Name, tell you basically nothing about him, accept some exposition 1:14:01.240 --> 1:14:03.960 about how he came to be in this place, and 1:14:04.400 --> 1:14:09.479 it's and much like the way Thanos was introduced at 1:14:09.520 --> 1:14:12.160 the end of Marvel's The Avengers, where it was just like, 1:14:12.240 --> 1:14:16.920 who's that Loki the finale just kind of said, here's 1:14:16.960 --> 1:14:19.040 this character. If you want to know more about him, 1:14:19.080 --> 1:14:23.439 please ask your nerd friends, or read like screen rants 1:14:23.880 --> 1:14:27.439 easter eggs you didn't notice from Loki's finale, or go 1:14:27.720 --> 1:14:30.840 on YouTube and watch any number of YouTube explainers, or 1:14:30.920 --> 1:14:33.600 go on wherever you get your podcasts and listen to 1:14:33.680 --> 1:14:34.320 this podcast. 1:14:34.840 --> 1:14:36.479 People will explain it to you. We're not going to 1:14:36.560 --> 1:14:36.720 do that. 1:14:36.880 --> 1:14:39.479 We understand that, and we're just going to get on 1:14:39.600 --> 1:14:44.560 with the show. That was like a wild move and 1:14:44.720 --> 1:14:46.360 flex to me, and it worked. 1:14:46.560 --> 1:14:49.280 Yo. When you consider I mean to me, it is 1:14:49.400 --> 1:14:51.519 absolutely bananas. And I think we talked about this on 1:14:51.600 --> 1:14:55.000 a text chain we're on, Jason, It's absolutely bananas to me. 1:14:55.080 --> 1:14:58.520 That one of the most significant moves, yeah, in the MCU, 1:14:59.040 --> 1:15:04.160 which is one of the largest, most significant, like IP 1:15:04.960 --> 1:15:11.400 kind of existing franchise monoliths like the MCU is so 1:15:11.600 --> 1:15:14.719 big and so important and so significant and so woven 1:15:14.760 --> 1:15:17.320 into the fabric of pop culture at this point that 1:15:17.520 --> 1:15:23.000 they made a move that is so titanically significant and 1:15:23.160 --> 1:15:27.400 they made it in episode six and he'son one of 1:15:27.560 --> 1:15:33.840 the TV show Like that is absolute lunacy. And it's 1:15:33.960 --> 1:15:36.960 so exciting to me because I feel like we were 1:15:37.000 --> 1:15:39.599 talking about this. There was a lot of like inside 1:15:39.680 --> 1:15:45.520 of the conversations around Wanda Vision, a lot of conversations 1:15:45.560 --> 1:15:48.479 about like, oh, is Nightmare going to show up? Or 1:15:48.680 --> 1:15:52.479 is this person, yeah, Mephisto going to show up or 1:15:52.520 --> 1:15:56.479 any of these like big kind of really villains of 1:15:56.600 --> 1:15:56.960 that of. 1:15:57.040 --> 1:15:58.920 The magic world? Are they going to show up in that? 1:15:59.479 --> 1:16:01.200 And I feel like they really kind of gave us 1:16:01.200 --> 1:16:03.639 a good example of like, oh no, that's not happening, 1:16:03.720 --> 1:16:04.799 this is the TV shows. 1:16:04.800 --> 1:16:06.200 And then they did it. 1:16:06.479 --> 1:16:11.680 It was almost like they lulled us security because to 1:16:12.000 --> 1:16:15.800 put to put Kang in not just any because you say, 1:16:16.400 --> 1:16:20.200 you know, like yes, the fan of teaser is just that, 1:16:20.400 --> 1:16:23.400 it's like a post credit to teaser. 1:16:23.880 --> 1:16:24.880 This is you. 1:16:25.120 --> 1:16:28.760 They give Jonathan Majors a like thirty minutes and just 1:16:28.800 --> 1:16:30.640 are like, Okay, go do it. 1:16:31.960 --> 1:16:32.240 And he. 1:16:35.280 --> 1:16:37.240 It was electric to watch him. 1:16:37.439 --> 1:16:40.920 It was so exciting and I say that as a fan, 1:16:41.200 --> 1:16:43.240 you know, as a fan of Kang and as a 1:16:43.320 --> 1:16:45.320 fan of this kind of storytelling and all of that. 1:16:45.680 --> 1:16:48.000 But even still I was like, even to me, I 1:16:48.120 --> 1:16:51.439 was like, I cannot believe they're doing this. I cannot 1:16:51.479 --> 1:16:54.160 believe this. This is exciting that. 1:16:54.240 --> 1:16:59.519 They're doing such a huge move buried into this TV show. 1:17:00.160 --> 1:17:02.880 It works because like my mom knows who Thanos is. 1:17:03.040 --> 1:17:06.360 Like my sixty three year old black Southern mom from 1:17:06.360 --> 1:17:10.000 North Kronta knows what the Infinity gyms are strictly because 1:17:10.320 --> 1:17:12.880 of Marvel. So like the fact that like, like you know, 1:17:13.120 --> 1:17:14.680 parents are like two years behind. So the fact in 1:17:14.720 --> 1:17:16.519 two years she can be like that Kang fella is 1:17:16.600 --> 1:17:19.000 so handsome like that is a mind boggling to me. 1:17:19.120 --> 1:17:21.640 But speaking to Jason's point, I think another thing that 1:17:21.640 --> 1:17:23.559 they've really cracked, that Marvel is cracked is like they 1:17:23.640 --> 1:17:26.400 have a viewer to comic book reader pipeline now just 1:17:26.479 --> 1:17:28.439 like piped in, Like you're saying, like you wake up, 1:17:28.479 --> 1:17:30.320 you see the thing on comic book resources, you see 1:17:30.320 --> 1:17:33.000 the tweets on whatever, like you read these top five 1:17:33.080 --> 1:17:34.960 issues to see what prayings go about to crack them 1:17:34.960 --> 1:17:37.559 wide open, like and now like you're gonna go download 1:17:37.600 --> 1:17:39.400 the app, or you're gonna go to Comicxology and like 1:17:39.400 --> 1:17:41.479 you're gonna buy them because they're always like half off 1:17:41.520 --> 1:17:44.200 because no one's reading Kane comics until like he appears. 1:17:44.200 --> 1:17:46.760 So like you're you're just like building like this, Like 1:17:46.800 --> 1:17:48.880 it's like an an infinite energy machine. Like you're just 1:17:48.920 --> 1:17:51.560 building like fans by putting like weird swings like this 1:17:51.680 --> 1:17:53.360 in the TV shows, and like, I personally love it 1:17:53.400 --> 1:17:55.800 because like I'm a huge nerd for life, and I 1:17:55.880 --> 1:17:57.920 love that there are more being fucking sucked into it. 1:17:57.960 --> 1:18:00.000 So I'm like I'm like star, like I'm throwing out 1:18:00.080 --> 1:18:02.479 like more little mini nerds to them Adam to Mike Lex. 1:18:03.640 --> 1:18:06.439 Just shooting them out of your out of your Yeah, yeah, 1:18:08.240 --> 1:18:08.719 that's why. 1:18:08.560 --> 1:18:08.800 I got this. 1:18:10.640 --> 1:18:14.200 It really does feel like a new potentially a new 1:18:14.280 --> 1:18:16.760 kind of format because Okay, you mentioned like that the 1:18:16.960 --> 1:18:19.160 previous shows like Lulled Us to Sleep a little bit, 1:18:19.200 --> 1:18:20.040 and I agree. 1:18:19.880 --> 1:18:23.439 Like for Wanda Vision, it was like, oh, who is 1:18:23.680 --> 1:18:25.160 is it gonna be? Is it gonna be a fisto? 1:18:25.160 --> 1:18:26.479 Who's gonna be And then it turned out to be 1:18:26.920 --> 1:18:30.479 Aga though, who's legitimately the third character after Wanda and 1:18:30.600 --> 1:18:33.400 the vision that is introduced in the like but one 1:18:33.479 --> 1:18:36.679 of the first characters that is on the screen. 1:18:37.120 --> 1:18:39.320 And then for a Falcon, the Winter Soldier. 1:18:39.400 --> 1:18:41.040 The power Broker turned out to be Sharon, who was 1:18:41.080 --> 1:18:44.519 there all the time and was so obviously shady that 1:18:44.680 --> 1:18:46.439 it almost felt like a red herring. 1:18:46.560 --> 1:18:48.160 How obviously shady she was. 1:18:48.280 --> 1:18:50.080 Yeah, yeah, yeah, she would just be like, hold on, 1:18:50.200 --> 1:18:52.280 let me shoot these guys just as they're about to 1:18:52.320 --> 1:18:52.960 tell you the secret. 1:18:53.040 --> 1:18:54.120 Ye, who's theer? 1:18:54.200 --> 1:18:54.599 I'm not sure. 1:18:54.800 --> 1:18:56.120 Let me put on my leather jacket and bring some 1:18:56.240 --> 1:18:57.280 dark liquor. That's so you know that. 1:19:00.360 --> 1:19:03.160 Uh? And then and then that was you know, a 1:19:03.240 --> 1:19:06.120 lot of as as the kind of speculation kicked into 1:19:06.160 --> 1:19:09.400 high gear as we ended, as we like came towards 1:19:09.479 --> 1:19:11.400 the finale of Loki and people like, oh, who's you know, 1:19:11.479 --> 1:19:13.880 who's who's ultimately behind the Timekeepers? Who is it is 1:19:13.960 --> 1:19:16.479 gonna be another ary of Loki? Is like gonna be Friga, 1:19:16.520 --> 1:19:18.240 which is my personal theory, Who's it gonna be? 1:19:18.880 --> 1:19:19.519 And uh? 1:19:20.439 --> 1:19:22.439 And I kept coming to well, there's no way it's 1:19:22.479 --> 1:19:26.360 gonna be Kang because you don't introduce you don't do that. Yeah, 1:19:26.560 --> 1:19:29.439 you like there's no hints that it's him, Like there's 1:19:29.479 --> 1:19:32.439 no suspicion that it's him. There's no you don't see 1:19:32.479 --> 1:19:34.640 his picture on the back of a screen somewhere. 1:19:34.479 --> 1:19:38.760 Like they don't it's he. There is no they don't 1:19:38.960 --> 1:19:40.960 seed it at all, which is. 1:19:41.560 --> 1:19:43.720 There's where someone's like to do that, you have to 1:19:43.760 --> 1:19:46.559 be some sort of conqueror, Like there's just like nothing 1:19:47.080 --> 1:19:49.680 that pipeline is. Lady just pops up. It's like, Yo, 1:19:49.880 --> 1:19:51.400 we're about to act for thirty minutes. I hope you 1:19:51.439 --> 1:19:51.960 guys are ready. 1:19:52.200 --> 1:19:54.160 And what I think what I loved about it was 1:19:54.240 --> 1:19:57.080 because and and yeah, zag I think you're right, like yes, 1:19:57.280 --> 1:20:00.479 this is turning on a lot, like how pop these 1:20:00.520 --> 1:20:03.880 things are are kind of it's so weird, you know, 1:20:04.000 --> 1:20:07.360 like I grew up, you know where nerd culture was 1:20:07.479 --> 1:20:09.920 for nerds and you were bullied for liking these things. 1:20:09.960 --> 1:20:13.360 And now nerd culture obviously is culture, which is all 1:20:13.439 --> 1:20:15.719 of pop culture, which is you know, great and exciting. 1:20:15.720 --> 1:20:16.560 And I love that. 1:20:16.640 --> 1:20:19.479 It means I get more Marvel stuff and more Star 1:20:19.560 --> 1:20:21.479 Wars and all and more of all the stuff. I have, 1:20:21.600 --> 1:20:23.880 more sci fi, more fantasy, more like I get it. 1:20:24.000 --> 1:20:26.840 Like I'm like so excited, but it's I'm I'd be 1:20:26.960 --> 1:20:31.799 curious because there it's such a Marvel now, the mcu 1:20:32.080 --> 1:20:35.880 is is so big that yes, I'm certain there are 1:20:35.880 --> 1:20:37.679 a lot of people who are getting turned onto the comics. 1:20:37.720 --> 1:20:42.519 But I really wonder for casual Marvel fans, what does 1:20:42.640 --> 1:20:43.519 this feel like? 1:20:43.840 --> 1:20:43.880 Like? 1:20:44.000 --> 1:20:47.160 What does this like like like when they're watching that 1:20:47.280 --> 1:20:48.320 Loki season finale. 1:20:48.400 --> 1:20:52.000 Obviously it's enjoyable, and do you get the same out 1:20:52.040 --> 1:20:54.519 of it if you have no idea that that's Kang 1:20:54.960 --> 1:20:55.840 or who Kang is? 1:20:56.120 --> 1:20:56.160 Like? 1:20:56.479 --> 1:20:59.880 They have to be threading the needle of giving the 1:21:00.120 --> 1:21:05.519 casual viewer a satisfying experience and a satisfying, frankly season finale, 1:21:06.280 --> 1:21:08.720 even if you're like I don't know who Immortis is, 1:21:08.840 --> 1:21:10.760 or I don't know who Kang is, or I don't 1:21:10.840 --> 1:21:13.680 know about the multiverse or I don't know I'm a 1:21:13.880 --> 1:21:16.519 casual fan. So I think that the fact that it 1:21:16.600 --> 1:21:19.560 even worked for those people is testament to like what 1:21:19.760 --> 1:21:22.000 a good job they did with this show, you know, 1:21:22.200 --> 1:21:25.400 like Loki to me is and I enjoyed WandaVision. I 1:21:25.479 --> 1:21:28.439 mean I really enjoyed WandaVision. I liked Falcon and Winter 1:21:28.560 --> 1:21:31.960 Soldier but Loki to me was like playing on a 1:21:32.040 --> 1:21:35.360 different level mostly I think mostly because it really is 1:21:35.439 --> 1:21:38.920 the tipping point for the future of the MCU, and 1:21:39.000 --> 1:21:39.360 they knew. 1:21:39.439 --> 1:21:41.880 Yeah, I mean we've been we've just yelled about this 1:21:41.960 --> 1:21:45.040 for the past hour. But like it's the most distilled 1:21:45.120 --> 1:21:47.280 version of what a comic book gets. It's big, it's weird, 1:21:47.320 --> 1:21:49.840 it's cosmic. You're talking about like ends of time. You're 1:21:49.840 --> 1:21:53.120 talking about these abstract entities and deities that you know. 1:21:53.240 --> 1:21:55.200 It's like we fight a giant cloud monster like that 1:21:55.479 --> 1:21:58.040 represents the end of time, and like that's what this 1:21:58.120 --> 1:22:00.280 show does, and it sticks to landing in it will 1:22:00.280 --> 1:22:02.360 be so to the point where like we can introduce 1:22:02.479 --> 1:22:04.960 the concept of like, oh this is uh, this has 1:22:05.000 --> 1:22:08.400 been happening across infinite number of universes, all within the background. 1:22:08.920 --> 1:22:10.080 Thanos wasn't even like that. 1:22:10.200 --> 1:22:12.160 He was just some dude, like you want some vinity zones, 1:22:12.160 --> 1:22:14.080 We got a whole fucking drawer full of them. Like, well, 1:22:14.479 --> 1:22:16.080 let's move on to the next thing. So, like what 1:22:16.240 --> 1:22:18.400 I love is that it's setting up a completely new 1:22:18.439 --> 1:22:20.599 status quote, which is also my favorite thing about comics 1:22:20.680 --> 1:22:22.720 is that like we're gonna reset this after that we 1:22:22.800 --> 1:22:24.559 do like a twenty issue run and now it's done, 1:22:24.560 --> 1:22:25.800 and now we're gonna move on to the next thing. 1:22:26.120 --> 1:22:28.280 And I love that what this means going forward, like 1:22:28.360 --> 1:22:31.160 any story that you want narrative wise, like Marvel wrote 1:22:31.160 --> 1:22:33.600 themselves an infinite check for rope when it comes to 1:22:33.720 --> 1:22:35.200 like what they need to do, and like, I love 1:22:35.280 --> 1:22:37.519 what it opens up story wise, narrative wise, it's gonna 1:22:37.520 --> 1:22:38.120 be fantastic. 1:22:38.520 --> 1:22:40.720 And I think it's really exciting that they did it 1:22:40.880 --> 1:22:41.439 with Loki. 1:22:42.080 --> 1:22:45.040 You know, Loki is like the MCU's closest thing to 1:22:45.120 --> 1:22:49.360 like a Jamie Lee, Yes, yeah, yeah, like a character 1:22:49.479 --> 1:22:52.160 who is beloved and charming but has gone from a 1:22:52.280 --> 1:22:55.400 villain to a good guy to existing in the gray area. 1:22:55.720 --> 1:22:58.280 They both are obsessed romantically with their twin. 1:22:59.160 --> 1:23:03.960 They both fall in love with a with an identical 1:23:04.080 --> 1:23:06.240 twin of their of themselves. 1:23:06.080 --> 1:23:10.200 I mean they unambiguously in Marvels the Avengers compared him 1:23:10.240 --> 1:23:15.519 to Hitler, like a and a Holocaust survivor in Germany 1:23:15.680 --> 1:23:18.479 stands up and says, they have always been met like 1:23:18.600 --> 1:23:22.200 you and by which I mean Hitler, who, by the 1:23:22.280 --> 1:23:26.519 way I experience firsthand, you are Hitler's And now they 1:23:26.560 --> 1:23:28.600 have managed to turn that character into like. 1:23:28.800 --> 1:23:31.840 Somebody that we like, that is, and not only like, 1:23:32.120 --> 1:23:34.639 not only like, but this season of television we got 1:23:34.680 --> 1:23:39.280 like a before Sunrise rom com. We not only do 1:23:39.400 --> 1:23:41.320 we like him, but like we're rooting for him to 1:23:41.400 --> 1:23:44.000 have like a walk and talk with a beautiful woman 1:23:44.080 --> 1:23:44.719 and try. 1:23:44.600 --> 1:23:45.200 And kiss her. 1:23:45.640 --> 1:23:49.400 I mean, you're like, this was a genocidal lunatic some 1:23:49.760 --> 1:23:53.439 years ago, and that I think is a pretty cool feat. Yeah, 1:23:53.439 --> 1:23:54.960 And the fact that they were able to do it, 1:23:55.080 --> 1:23:57.120 I think I think they were very smart to use 1:23:57.240 --> 1:24:00.880 Loki as the pivot point because he's beloved, people want 1:24:00.920 --> 1:24:03.280 to watch Loki. It wasn't I don't think they could 1:24:03.320 --> 1:24:09.600 have done this introduction of the multiverse inside of a story. 1:24:10.240 --> 1:24:12.760 With other characters, and you know benefit of that's also 1:24:12.840 --> 1:24:15.519 like it's a new Loki a variant obviously, so look, 1:24:15.720 --> 1:24:17.280 you get to hit all it's like the greatest hits 1:24:17.280 --> 1:24:19.240 with this beats Like you get to see him go 1:24:19.400 --> 1:24:21.800 from bad to good within an episode, and then like 1:24:22.000 --> 1:24:23.960 it catches up anyone else who has not seen all 1:24:24.040 --> 1:24:26.439 the Thor movies who like necessarily isn't caught up on 1:24:26.560 --> 1:24:29.200 like Thor lore or Loki lore and like you see 1:24:29.240 --> 1:24:31.960 who this character is. And it's also it's a classic myth, 1:24:32.120 --> 1:24:34.360 like everyone has been reading these types of stories for 1:24:34.880 --> 1:24:38.639 since humans could could could share speech, and like it's 1:24:38.640 --> 1:24:41.040 a perfect encapsulation of like how that stuff works out 1:24:41.040 --> 1:24:43.080 with like, all right, we have their journey's gonna be 1:24:43.479 --> 1:24:45.360 a bad guy going on like basically like a road 1:24:45.400 --> 1:24:48.840 trip with himself, a cosmic road trip, and they fucking 1:24:48.920 --> 1:24:49.240 killed it. 1:24:50.000 --> 1:24:53.760 They did a great job too, just like grounding all 1:24:53.800 --> 1:24:56.360 of these shows actually, but like Loki in particular, grounding 1:24:56.439 --> 1:25:00.040 it in a real, like deep like emotional question, and 1:25:00.200 --> 1:25:02.560 like what does it mean to try and be a 1:25:02.680 --> 1:25:07.800 better person in a world in which your specific role 1:25:08.040 --> 1:25:11.559 requires you to never become a better person? And if 1:25:11.640 --> 1:25:15.639 you ever actually make any headway in accepting the pain 1:25:15.760 --> 1:25:19.680 that you've caused others, in trying to better yourself, in 1:25:19.800 --> 1:25:23.320 trying to be empathic and understand other people's situations, we 1:25:23.520 --> 1:25:26.160 will cull you from that. We will erase you, we 1:25:26.240 --> 1:25:28.800 will throw you into the void, and you will never 1:25:28.960 --> 1:25:33.040 be seen again. That was That's a really dark and 1:25:33.200 --> 1:25:36.000 kind of I think meaningful question for anybody who's like, man, 1:25:36.040 --> 1:25:37.240 how do I not be an asshole? 1:25:37.280 --> 1:25:39.439 All the time, What is there a way to not 1:25:39.600 --> 1:25:39.840 do that? 1:25:40.120 --> 1:25:44.240 This show is the inverse of the good perty yeah yeah, yeah, 1:25:44.320 --> 1:25:47.680 yeah yeah, where people are encouraged to get better and 1:25:47.840 --> 1:25:51.439 evolve and become more empathic and become better people. This 1:25:51.640 --> 1:25:55.320 storyline is if you diverge and you try and be 1:25:55.439 --> 1:25:57.360 a better person or try and change the way a 1:25:57.439 --> 1:25:59.920 loki is a loki, You're gonna get prune. 1:26:00.360 --> 1:26:01.800 You know, you're gonna it's over. 1:26:02.800 --> 1:26:05.479 You were talking about Jason how like that. You're just 1:26:05.520 --> 1:26:07.200 like a fan of this stuff, so of course you're biased. 1:26:07.479 --> 1:26:10.080 I am too, Like I've acknowledged my bias many times, 1:26:10.120 --> 1:26:12.160 and I think part of that is, like, and the 1:26:12.240 --> 1:26:16.080 thing that fascinates me about this question is this idea 1:26:16.200 --> 1:26:21.240 that like serialized storytelling through comics, that kind of style 1:26:21.320 --> 1:26:23.960 of storytelling is like merging with TV in interesting ways. 1:26:24.000 --> 1:26:26.360 And what I mean by that is like, if I'm 1:26:26.400 --> 1:26:29.559 reading a comic book and I am turning the page, 1:26:29.560 --> 1:26:30.559 I'm like, who is this villain? 1:26:30.600 --> 1:26:31.920 Who is this hooded villain whatever? 1:26:32.000 --> 1:26:33.720 And then at the end they take off their hood 1:26:33.840 --> 1:26:36.960 and it's like Ultron or someone I never expected in 1:26:37.040 --> 1:26:39.760 the comic books. I'm like, yo, I get that that 1:26:40.320 --> 1:26:42.720 I'm buying the next issue. I understand this, this is 1:26:42.880 --> 1:26:47.200 set up. This is fine in television that never really happens, 1:26:47.240 --> 1:26:52.400 and we're so programmed by the various structures of storytelling 1:26:52.520 --> 1:26:55.280 that are very common, that stuff that, when you really 1:26:55.320 --> 1:26:57.559 think about it, that is actually kind of weird and strange, 1:26:57.640 --> 1:26:58.400 feels very normal. 1:26:58.479 --> 1:26:59.519 For instance, like. 1:26:59.600 --> 1:27:03.080 If you watch a Marvel movie with a kid and 1:27:03.280 --> 1:27:05.599 there's that opening scene where it's like, you know, there's 1:27:05.640 --> 1:27:08.680 some heist going on, and then like somebody says, mysteriously, hey, 1:27:08.720 --> 1:27:09.400 do you have the thing? 1:27:09.720 --> 1:27:12.920 Yes, I have it. I'll inform the master. Does he know? Yes, 1:27:13.000 --> 1:27:14.680 he knows. Like if you watch all with the kid, 1:27:14.760 --> 1:27:17.559 the kid's like, what what's happening? What are they taught? 1:27:17.720 --> 1:27:20.880 Whereas you understand they're gonna tell me what this is. 1:27:21.080 --> 1:27:23.360 I don't need to know anything about this. I understand 1:27:23.400 --> 1:27:25.040 that this is set up for a thing that happens later. 1:27:25.400 --> 1:27:29.280 So it really feels like they're through these various flexes 1:27:29.360 --> 1:27:32.479 of we are the biggest like storytelling engine in entertainment 1:27:32.560 --> 1:27:36.439 right now, they're actually creating these weird new pockets and 1:27:36.720 --> 1:27:38.120 styles of storytelling. 1:27:38.520 --> 1:27:40.640 What here's what they're doing. I think this is and 1:27:40.760 --> 1:27:43.080 which is interesting. I wonder if this is purposeful or 1:27:43.120 --> 1:27:47.280 if this is just kind of how they run, which 1:27:47.400 --> 1:27:51.040 is they have successfully Kevin Figy, I'll put this at 1:27:51.080 --> 1:27:55.400 Kevin Figy's feet. I think Kevin Figy has successfully trained 1:27:56.040 --> 1:28:01.040 the public to watch Marvel movies to at the very 1:28:01.120 --> 1:28:04.639 beginning was they were comic book movies, but they didn't 1:28:04.720 --> 1:28:08.320 operate like comic books, right. They were just the characters 1:28:08.360 --> 1:28:11.960 from your comics in a story. Sometimes those stories were 1:28:12.160 --> 1:28:15.600 pulled loosely from comic book arcs or something like that, 1:28:16.160 --> 1:28:20.400 but really they stood alone, unto themselves until they were connected, 1:28:20.479 --> 1:28:23.120 and they connected in very clean ways, right for that 1:28:23.240 --> 1:28:26.519 first ten years, for phase one, phase two, that's what 1:28:26.640 --> 1:28:31.280 it is. Phase three, and now especially phase four, the 1:28:31.520 --> 1:28:35.400 MCU and comics movies are feeling more like comics. 1:28:35.520 --> 1:28:35.600 Ye. 1:28:35.880 --> 1:28:38.600 So like when sometimes you know, you'll pick up a 1:28:38.680 --> 1:28:41.800 comic I'll read I'll pick up a Spider Man at 1:28:41.840 --> 1:28:45.439 you and I'll be like, suddenly he's wearing like a 1:28:45.560 --> 1:28:51.080 different suit and he has like and someone's dead and 1:28:51.200 --> 1:28:53.479 I'm like, wait, what did I miss? I've read this 1:28:53.800 --> 1:28:55.040 every month and. 1:28:55.120 --> 1:28:55.920 Someone is like, oh. 1:28:56.280 --> 1:29:01.519 There was a six issue mini series in which in 1:29:01.720 --> 1:29:04.280 which Aunt May died and something. 1:29:04.360 --> 1:29:05.560 You have to go read that. 1:29:06.200 --> 1:29:11.280 And that's what they're doing now in their properties over 1:29:11.360 --> 1:29:15.200 across platforms. So if when we come back and ant 1:29:15.280 --> 1:29:18.280 Man in the Wasp, or when King variants Yeah starts 1:29:18.320 --> 1:29:22.080 showing up in Doctor Strange and and ant Man in 1:29:22.120 --> 1:29:24.040 the Wasp, when Kang starts shout up, there's gonna be 1:29:24.040 --> 1:29:26.360 a lot of people who didn't watch Loki, but who 1:29:26.479 --> 1:29:29.400 watched but who watch all the movies, who are like, 1:29:29.680 --> 1:29:30.439 who's that guy? 1:29:30.920 --> 1:29:32.880 And people are gonna have to be like, oh, he 1:29:33.080 --> 1:29:35.120 was introduced in Logi ba ba bah. 1:29:35.160 --> 1:29:38.680 And that's comics. That is the that is how we 1:29:38.880 --> 1:29:44.400 process comics. Important things happen not always in the mainline book. 1:29:44.760 --> 1:29:47.840 Sometimes it happens in the offshoots or one offs or 1:29:47.920 --> 1:29:50.479 in an annual you might not have read all sorts 1:29:50.479 --> 1:29:50.880 of stuff. 1:29:51.439 --> 1:29:54.639 Yeah, that's that's absolutely one d percent how it works. 1:29:54.680 --> 1:29:56.400 And like I love that they're at this, I mean, 1:29:56.439 --> 1:29:58.160 for better or for worse. Like I know people have 1:29:58.240 --> 1:30:00.280 thoughts about that, especially if you're reading a bunch of 1:30:00.320 --> 1:30:02.240 books at the same time a month, but like I 1:30:02.439 --> 1:30:04.880 do love to thrill the page turn like and this 1:30:05.000 --> 1:30:06.519 is exactly what it captures like the end of a 1:30:06.840 --> 1:30:08.640 after end of like you know, a run on Spider Man, 1:30:08.680 --> 1:30:10.760 You're like, all right, see, like they'll have like oh 1:30:10.840 --> 1:30:13.640 doc option, you'll see like a caw and like in Silhouette, 1:30:13.640 --> 1:30:15.040 you're like, oh, is he gonna be like the next 1:30:15.040 --> 1:30:17.479 big bat that shows up in the mix running Spider Man? 1:30:17.520 --> 1:30:20.680 Like that's exactly what's capturing with with the DMCU shows. 1:30:20.840 --> 1:30:26.160 And they're they're just constantly making it possible so smartly 1:30:26.680 --> 1:30:29.920 in a way that I think the DC films have failed. 1:30:30.280 --> 1:30:35.000 They've smartly, like they're walking their audience into more and 1:30:35.160 --> 1:30:38.599 more complex storytelling and bringing them along for the ride. 1:30:38.680 --> 1:30:42.000 They're not just dumping this huge audience into the deep 1:30:42.120 --> 1:30:44.320 end like they're on you know, this has been going 1:30:44.360 --> 1:30:46.600 on since you know, so this is twenty years in. 1:30:47.240 --> 1:30:49.679 You know, like you couldn't have done Loki the TV 1:30:49.800 --> 1:30:52.200 show in twenty twelve. You couldn't have done you know 1:30:52.240 --> 1:30:55.320 what I mean, Like you couldn't have you couldn't have introduced. 1:30:54.880 --> 1:30:55.800 Kang at the end. 1:30:55.880 --> 1:30:59.479 It wouldn't work really, you know, to have such an 1:30:59.479 --> 1:31:02.840 important you're a cur in movie five or something like that. 1:31:03.000 --> 1:31:06.200 This is to introduce the multiverse. You needed twenty years 1:31:06.240 --> 1:31:10.479 of runway to be like, now everything is possible, and. 1:31:10.560 --> 1:31:13.479 This is really what sets up What If, which is 1:31:13.600 --> 1:31:16.320 the animated anthology series currently wearing on Disney Plus. 1:31:16.520 --> 1:31:19.519 Which I want to say, if there are people out 1:31:19.560 --> 1:31:23.640 there who are thinking I don't love cartoons or cartoons 1:31:23.720 --> 1:31:26.920 feel like the they sometimes people think like, oh, those 1:31:27.040 --> 1:31:29.599 must be for kids, those must be like the Marvel 1:31:29.720 --> 1:31:32.639 kid like, and I'm telling you watch What If. 1:31:32.960 --> 1:31:33.840 It's so good. 1:31:34.400 --> 1:31:36.240 The action is so good. 1:31:36.560 --> 1:31:40.880 First of all, the animation style is it's gorgeous, beautiful, 1:31:41.040 --> 1:31:46.080 like I want to watto fall into every single pan. 1:31:46.280 --> 1:31:46.400 Oh. 1:31:47.160 --> 1:31:50.439 On top of that, like the animation of the action 1:31:50.920 --> 1:31:52.519 is so seamless and smooth. 1:31:52.600 --> 1:31:54.120 I don't it is. 1:31:54.360 --> 1:31:57.080 There's one scene in the in the first episode where 1:31:57.960 --> 1:32:02.240 Peggy Carter becomes you know, infused with the super Soldier 1:32:02.280 --> 1:32:06.240 serum and she becomes Captain Peggy Carter where she like 1:32:07.560 --> 1:32:12.120 jumps through the canopy of a German bomber using the 1:32:12.240 --> 1:32:16.000 shield and it is like pulse found it stuff. 1:32:16.600 --> 1:32:20.800 Yeah, Oh yeah, it's great that that episode and the 1:32:21.040 --> 1:32:24.880 second episode that Chadwick Boseman What If T'Challa was star 1:32:25.000 --> 1:32:29.400 Lord episode incredible, incredible fight sequences. 1:32:29.800 --> 1:32:33.160 The Yeah, the animation is like straight. 1:32:32.960 --> 1:32:35.479 Out of the gate, incredible, I think, Yeah, I know, 1:32:35.600 --> 1:32:37.560 I've read other places that people don't love it. 1:32:37.720 --> 1:32:43.080 I don't know why. I'm totally into it. I really am. 1:32:43.320 --> 1:32:43.599 I think. 1:32:43.720 --> 1:32:46.680 I mean, I have a few little nitpicks here and there, 1:32:47.080 --> 1:32:50.040 but most of those are because again, I think the 1:32:50.160 --> 1:32:53.559 things that I'm nitpicking are the things that I'm nitpicking 1:32:53.600 --> 1:32:56.479 because I'm a super fan. But I suspect for a 1:32:56.800 --> 1:33:00.200 casual fan, it has to run this way, you know 1:33:00.240 --> 1:33:02.200 what I mean? Like and and I understand that. I 1:33:02.280 --> 1:33:06.400 think I think for such again again, for what could 1:33:06.439 --> 1:33:09.840 have been a toss off animated show for kids, like 1:33:10.360 --> 1:33:10.760 what If? 1:33:11.200 --> 1:33:11.800 Because what If? 1:33:11.880 --> 1:33:13.240 We should say, I don't know if you've already talked 1:33:13.240 --> 1:33:15.920 about it, forgive me if this is repeat information, but 1:33:16.080 --> 1:33:16.519 what If. 1:33:16.520 --> 1:33:17.320 Is based on the. 1:33:18.800 --> 1:33:21.519 It's based on the comics what If, in which they 1:33:21.640 --> 1:33:26.639 take traditional Marvel storylines and flip it on its head. 1:33:26.840 --> 1:33:29.080 So what if Gwen's Stacy had lived? 1:33:29.360 --> 1:33:31.000 Or what you know, like what If? 1:33:31.120 --> 1:33:33.560 And so they'll basically use it as an opportunity to 1:33:33.640 --> 1:33:36.880 tell a one off story or a or a little 1:33:37.120 --> 1:33:39.519 chunk of a story in a world in which the 1:33:39.680 --> 1:33:44.400 circumstances were totally different, right, and those are they're fun. 1:33:44.640 --> 1:33:48.040 They're like Twilight Zone episodes of the MCU kind of. 1:33:48.240 --> 1:33:52.000 Is that Yes, I think that's exactly correct, exactly yeah, 1:33:52.240 --> 1:33:55.160 And so the TV show is uses that as a 1:33:55.240 --> 1:33:59.000 jumping off point, but they're they're wetting it to their 1:33:59.320 --> 1:34:01.960 new introduction of the multiverse at the end of Loki. 1:34:02.080 --> 1:34:05.760 So so these aren't just kind of fantastical hypothetical like 1:34:05.840 --> 1:34:06.639 what if this happened. 1:34:07.000 --> 1:34:10.760 They're saying, these are the events of the multiverse. 1:34:10.840 --> 1:34:14.240 So there is a universe in which Ta'chala has taken 1:34:14.360 --> 1:34:17.639 not Peter Quill or Peggy Carter was turned into Captain 1:34:17.720 --> 1:34:21.800 Carter instead of Steve Rogers. Like, so they're saying, through 1:34:22.000 --> 1:34:25.040 the character of Uwatu the Watcher played by Jeffrey Right, 1:34:25.080 --> 1:34:27.840 they're saying, all of the multiverse is now available to us, 1:34:27.920 --> 1:34:31.240 let's tell stories inside of That's cool. 1:34:31.479 --> 1:34:33.720 It's dope as fucking Also, it gives you like the 1:34:33.800 --> 1:34:36.640 possibility of like, yeah, maybe we loved maybe want to 1:34:36.640 --> 1:34:38.439 see more of Captain Carter, so we're just gon spin 1:34:38.479 --> 1:34:41.439 out to like her own TV show or like yeah. 1:34:41.439 --> 1:34:42.559 Well you know what they said. 1:34:42.960 --> 1:34:46.640 They said that every season of What If will have 1:34:47.000 --> 1:34:48.840 another installment of oh. 1:34:49.360 --> 1:34:52.479 Really, Oh wow, that's actually great because I was like, 1:34:52.560 --> 1:34:54.760 where's so that for the other seventy minutes of this 1:34:54.840 --> 1:34:56.000 show when she popped. 1:34:55.760 --> 1:34:58.960 Out exactly because that, I will say that is my 1:34:59.120 --> 1:34:59.839 only complaint. 1:35:00.280 --> 1:35:03.040 My only complaint is there I feel like they're trying 1:35:03.080 --> 1:35:08.120 to fit move length plots into thirty minute shows, and 1:35:08.320 --> 1:35:10.760 my feeling is no, no, no, don't don't think you 1:35:10.880 --> 1:35:13.479 need to adhere so much to the But this, again, 1:35:13.560 --> 1:35:18.280 I think, is them walking their audience into that more 1:35:18.479 --> 1:35:20.439 complex idea because I think there's a lot of people 1:35:20.520 --> 1:35:22.320 probably being like, what the fuck's going on? 1:35:22.640 --> 1:35:22.840 Yeah? 1:35:22.960 --> 1:35:27.040 You know, well, Jason Manzucus, thank you for walking into 1:35:27.240 --> 1:35:29.280 the debut episode of Extra Vision. 1:35:29.800 --> 1:35:30.559 It has been a pleasure. 1:35:30.640 --> 1:35:31.160 I have you. 1:35:31.920 --> 1:35:35.439 Thrilled to Jason, There's nothing I want more in the 1:35:35.520 --> 1:35:38.599 world than listening to you. I've missed it in my life, 1:35:39.000 --> 1:35:41.760 talking about pop culture, talking about the stuff that we 1:35:41.880 --> 1:35:42.320 both love. 1:35:42.800 --> 1:35:44.479 Yes, I get to text with you and rant and 1:35:44.600 --> 1:35:45.880 rave about it, which I adore. 1:35:46.600 --> 1:35:49.479 But it makes me so happy that you're doing the show, 1:35:49.520 --> 1:35:53.360 and I cannot wait to smash the subscribe buttons and 1:35:53.840 --> 1:35:54.880 listen to it every week. 1:35:54.960 --> 1:35:57.040 Can't wait to Gig and Zig. 1:35:57.280 --> 1:35:58.760 What a what a delightless of you. 1:36:00.000 --> 1:36:01.840 It's so fun so great, so funny. 1:36:02.040 --> 1:36:02.439 I love it. 1:36:02.640 --> 1:36:03.320 Thanks for having me. 1:36:05.760 --> 1:36:09.200 Welcome to our endgame segment where we play a game 1:36:10.320 --> 1:36:12.760 at the end of the episode. That's right, it's a 1:36:12.840 --> 1:36:17.800 very clever title. Today's game is Who's Your Neville or 1:36:17.840 --> 1:36:21.360 Who's Your Gollum? This is a reference to Nevill Longbottom 1:36:21.400 --> 1:36:24.639 from Harry Potter and Gollum from Lord of the Rings. 1:36:25.000 --> 1:36:29.040 Who is the character that is seemingly on the outside, 1:36:29.160 --> 1:36:29.840 not really that. 1:36:29.960 --> 1:36:32.400 Important, kind of like on the edge of the story, 1:36:32.760 --> 1:36:34.680 but then all of a sudden at the very end, 1:36:35.640 --> 1:36:39.080 they take the sword of Gryffindor and they slay the 1:36:39.200 --> 1:36:42.040 snake or they become the only way that Frodo can 1:36:42.080 --> 1:36:45.000 get away from the ring, like they become vital in 1:36:45.120 --> 1:36:48.439 the final moment in that final fight when everybody steps 1:36:48.479 --> 1:36:51.639 out of the portals against Kang. So the characters will 1:36:51.680 --> 1:36:54.439 be from only these Disney Plus shows that we've talked 1:36:54.439 --> 1:36:56.600 about today, WandaVision Falcon in the Winter Soldier and. 1:36:56.640 --> 1:37:01.680 Loki and Zig. Who is your Neville or who is 1:37:01.760 --> 1:37:02.600 your golle I? 1:37:03.479 --> 1:37:06.880 It is a hard decision. I Ye, I think I 1:37:07.080 --> 1:37:10.679 think I'm gonna put my money on Wickan. I think, 1:37:11.080 --> 1:37:13.360 oh this is good. I think it's gonna be all. 1:37:13.400 --> 1:37:15.080 It's gonna be a long walk to get there. It's 1:37:15.200 --> 1:37:16.960 long payoff. It's gonna take a couple of movies and 1:37:16.960 --> 1:37:19.680 a couple of TV shows. But I think I think 1:37:19.720 --> 1:37:21.800 they're gonna be like Wicked, You're the only you and 1:37:22.080 --> 1:37:24.400 and kid Loki, They're gonna come together and like you're 1:37:24.400 --> 1:37:25.880 the one that's gonna defeat him through the power of 1:37:25.920 --> 1:37:28.040 friendship or love. I'm putting it on him because we 1:37:28.120 --> 1:37:31.040 haven't had a big magical, a big magical fight yet, 1:37:31.040 --> 1:37:32.320 a big magical like sind Depth. 1:37:32.360 --> 1:37:35.400 So like, I'm money's all on Wicked. Baby, I'm going 1:37:35.439 --> 1:37:35.680 all in. 1:37:36.000 --> 1:37:36.439 I love that. 1:37:36.600 --> 1:37:39.960 I'm gonna I'm going to uh man, I'm gonna use 1:37:40.200 --> 1:37:43.800 I'm just gonna repurpose my Tyler Hayward is the progenitor 1:37:44.000 --> 1:37:47.360 of the Sentinels theory, and I'm gonna say it is 1:37:47.600 --> 1:37:53.040 Director Tyler Hayward of Sword the Sentient Weapon observation and 1:37:53.160 --> 1:37:58.360 response to vision. His interest in thinking machines that are 1:37:58.400 --> 1:38:00.920 also weapons leads me to believe that maybe he will 1:38:01.080 --> 1:38:05.200 create a program of thinking robots that whose only mission 1:38:05.280 --> 1:38:08.600 is to kill people with powers. In that case, he 1:38:08.640 --> 1:38:12.519 would be my Gollum, and hopefully he is also the 1:38:12.600 --> 1:38:14.920 key to dismantling those robots too in the future if 1:38:14.960 --> 1:38:18.679 should they come to a rise. Those are our answers. 1:38:18.760 --> 1:38:21.120 Who are your answers? Feel free to hit us up 1:38:21.200 --> 1:38:23.479 on social media and watch this space. 1:38:25.600 --> 1:38:28.160 That's it for today. Thank you for listening to the 1:38:28.280 --> 1:38:30.120 debut episode of X ray Vision. 1:38:30.840 --> 1:38:34.040 Check us out wherever you get your podcast zig It's 1:38:34.080 --> 1:38:35.320 been fantastic hang out with you. 1:38:35.400 --> 1:38:36.880 Thanks for having me brother, always a fan, love that 1:38:36.880 --> 1:38:38.880 you're back in the nerd game. That you ever really left, 1:38:38.960 --> 1:38:41.240 but I'm stoked. Thanks for having me man. 1:38:41.439 --> 1:38:41.720 Let's go. 1:38:46.280 --> 1:38:48.280 X ray Vision is a Crooked Media production. The show 1:38:48.360 --> 1:38:50.960 is produced by Chris Lord and Saul Rubin. The show 1:38:51.040 --> 1:38:54.160 is executive produced by myself, Tason Cantepsiona and Sandy Gerard. 1:38:54.520 --> 1:38:58.080 Caroline rest and Rest in Peace and Carlton Gillespie are 1:38:58.240 --> 1:39:01.080 our consulting producers, and our editing and sound design is 1:39:01.120 --> 1:39:03.360 by Sarah Gibblaska and the good Folks. 1:39:03.400 --> 1:39:06.160 At chapter four. Thank you to Brian Vasquez for our 1:39:06.240 --> 1:39:06.719 theme music.