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Speaker 1: been warned. And Nowlex re Vision, Hello and welcome to

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Speaker 1: the debut episode of expert Vision, the Crooked Podcast, where

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Speaker 1: we discuss all the happenings in the various nooks and

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Speaker 1: Cranny's nerd culture joining me today. He's a writer on

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Speaker 1: one of our regular rotating hosts and incredible flex for

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Speaker 1: My Guy on Amazing Spider Man issues seventy nine to eighty.

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Speaker 1: Find them at your local comic shop in a month

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Speaker 1: and a half. The great and talented Cody Zigler. Zigler,

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Speaker 1: how are you?

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Speaker 2: I am great? First of all, thank you King for

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Speaker 2: that intro. I'd love to hear it. I'd love to

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Speaker 2: see it. I love when I get gassed up at

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Speaker 3: I love I love all of it. Man. How are

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Speaker 4: We're living pretty well.

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Speaker 1: I gotta say, and just to gas you up even further,

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Speaker 1: the apartment is coming together, not just from the content

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Speaker 1: I absolutely love it, and the people love it, and

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Speaker 1: Let's go to previously on our news segment. First up,

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Speaker 1: the good people at Disney and Lucasfilm announced Star Wars

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Speaker 1: Visions and dropped the trailer for Star Wars Visions and

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Speaker 1: anthology series featuring nine short films produced by seven of

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Speaker 1: the top Japanese anime studios around, including production ig of

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Speaker 1: Ghosts in the Shell Fame. It arrives on Disney Plus

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Speaker 1: September twenty second. This trailer had me so unbelievably excited.

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Speaker 3: I was so hyphed.

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Speaker 2: It's like if you could distill down every single thing

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Speaker 2: lightsabers and like fast paced, nigh incomprehensible anime showed in

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Speaker 1: I also love that they were like, you know what, actually,

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Speaker 1: Grievous was kind of an anime character. Now let's actually

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Speaker 1: It looks so unbelievably good and as Lucasfilm producer Josh

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Speaker 1: Rhyme said, each studio has different styles and different tones,

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Speaker 1: and that really came through in the trailer, like, yeah, Settle,

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Speaker 1: each little snippet from each little short film has its

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Speaker 2: It's it's it's one of my favorite. I mean, they

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Speaker 2: stoked that they're just like taking these giant swings on

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Speaker 1: It's so so fun. Asian representation immediately increases by about

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Speaker 1: Honestly looks so like you're the I mean, you know

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Speaker 2: Uh, you know, I got that, you know, Cowboy Bebop

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Speaker 1: It feels like a thing that kind of obviously it's

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Speaker 4: Like, yeah, this is gonna hit.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Like I've never been more convinced that a thing

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Speaker 2: Stock is at an all time high for weeb nonsense,

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Speaker 1: The Spider Man trailer dropped after twenty four hours in

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Speaker 4: A phone that was playing the trailer.

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Speaker 1: That person has probably been sniped by Kevin Feigey and

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Speaker 1: but let's talk about it, because the trailer was super

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Speaker 1: I just can't believe like the audacity to be like,

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Speaker 1: let's do one More Day.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, enormous swing on their part. No one's coming,

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Speaker 2: I'd not say they picked the one the most divisive

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Speaker 4: So let's say so let me add some context here.

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Speaker 4: One More Day in the wake of Civil War.

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Speaker 1: Civil War the storyline in which Spider Man's identity is

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Speaker 1: This was then recontextualized again by Joe Cassada as kind

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Speaker 1: and they're just doing it. Man, it's wild. They're doing

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Speaker 1: this shit, as you mentioned, extremely divisive.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I love that one.

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Speaker 2: This is the one, Like this is the character that

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Speaker 4: This is wild. Now.

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Speaker 1: In the comics, Peter only beats the Sinister Six two ways.

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Speaker 1: The first way is the Sinister Six are legitimately fucking

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Speaker 4: So that's the one way.

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Speaker 1: And then the second way is he gets back up

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Speaker 1: now strange doctor Strange in the movie doing doctor Strange shit,

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Speaker 4: I'm kind of a scumbag ego maniac.

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Speaker 1: Me flick up the whole status quote for you real quick, right,

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Speaker 1: And it's not even like I'm helping Peter.

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Speaker 4: It's more like Wong told me not to do it,

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Speaker 4: so I'm fuck do it.

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Speaker 2: messed up with the timestone right right, second time, I

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Speaker 3: I got it.

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Speaker 1: I cannot wait for this movie will be released December seventeenth,

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Speaker 4: We are the underdog. We are underestimated. We are the

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Speaker 1: I received an email saying, hey, you've been confirmed invited

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Speaker 1: we get there, and so we're waiting at will call

441
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Speaker 1: and we go in and we got you know, presented

442
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Speaker 1: our credentials, got all our stuff, showed our vaccination status,

443
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Speaker 1: et cetera. I got our things and then realized that

444
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Speaker 1: the only way to go, like security was set up

445
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Speaker 1: in such a way that we had to walk the

446
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Speaker 1: red carpet to get to the movie. And so I

447
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Speaker 1: got in and the first person like right to my

448
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Speaker 1: left is like Benedict Wong.

449
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Speaker 4: People are taking pictures of him. He's right there.

450
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Speaker 1: I look up on the platform like maybe twenty feet

451
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Speaker 1: away is Simoulu being interviewed, Like we're walking there and

452
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Speaker 1: we look like dog shit. Now I want to say

453
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Speaker 1: that it was both not as bad and kind of

454
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Speaker 1: worse than it seems through social media. In the sense

455
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Speaker 1: that it was not as bad. It was not as

456
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Speaker 1: bad because nobody paid any attention. Nobody'd like notice there

457
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Speaker 1: were cause players there.

458
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Speaker 4: Nobody cared.

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Speaker 1: And also, like you know how it is like la

460
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Speaker 1: fashion rules are that the person who's dressed down the

461
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Speaker 1: most is like the richest person, the most important person.

462
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Speaker 2: About to say yeah, so you lucked out because of streetwear,

463
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Speaker 2: Like he came through like when I'm I'm looking at

464
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Speaker 2: the picture like right now on my giant widescreen, and

465
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Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, this guy is so comfortable. He's his

466
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Speaker 2: What the subtext is like, this ain't no big deal

467
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Speaker 2: because we get six more of these beautiful movies some

468
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Speaker 2: shang cheap babies, so it's all good.

469
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Speaker 3: We're just rolling through and I love it. I love

470
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Speaker 3: the casual energy.

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Speaker 4: That's right.

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Speaker 1: So but on the other hand, it was worse in

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Speaker 1: that I mean we were right there, like I walked

474
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Speaker 1: by Ben Kingsley like it was and then we get

475
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Speaker 1: inside the theater and they're streaming the presentation, like you know,

476
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Speaker 1: the red carpet stuff, directly to the screen, so I

477
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Speaker 1: could see, I could imagine what we looked like walking

478
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Speaker 1: in the background of like these shots, and I was like, Yo, this.

479
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Speaker 2: Was someone would definitely Oh, that's got to be the director.

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Speaker 2: He's like a tike. He's got like a chill, like

481
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Speaker 2: low key vibe like that someone was you. You probably

482
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Speaker 2: got some brownie points in that or in that end.

483
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Speaker 2: So like glass half full, I think I think I

484
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Speaker 2: think you played the right card. Honestly, I would have

485
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Speaker 2: pulled up in the exact same fit. To be honest

486
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Speaker 2: with you, like short, short sides out maybe as you know,

487
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Speaker 2: let's go, let's let's let's let's go take it on an adventure.

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Speaker 1: Well, the lesson is, folks, just read your emails. That's all,

489
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Speaker 1: read them all the way through. Yeah, okay, Welcome to

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Speaker 1: the air lock. This is the segment where we discuss

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Speaker 1: whatever it is the subjects that we are exploring in

492
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Speaker 1: this particular episode. For this episode, the debut episode of

493
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Speaker 1: Extra Vision, we're talking about the Disney Plus shows and

494
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Speaker 1: how they kind of like set the stage for what

495
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Speaker 1: Phase four is going to be looking over this stuff.

496
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Speaker 1: Wanna vision Falcon in the Winter, Soldier and Loki. There

497
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Speaker 1: were some really earth shaking, cannon shaking reveals and changes

498
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Speaker 1: in all of these stories that if people didn't check

499
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Speaker 1: in to those stories on Disney Plus, as my friend

500
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Speaker 1: Andy Greenwell says, then they're going to be like, wait,

501
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Speaker 1: why so there's a multiverse now? Wait hold on, Like

502
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Speaker 1: the Super Soldier program was bad. Actually, so let's unpack

503
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Speaker 1: that stuff and just talk about what are our favorite

504
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Speaker 1: and we think most earthshaking changes are And I think

505
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Speaker 1: this is just like really smart strategic storytelling on the

506
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Speaker 1: part of these showrunners, which is there's no kind of

507
00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:19,280
Speaker 1: there's none of these stories are gonna are something you

508
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Speaker 1: can check out on if you want to stay up

509
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Speaker 1: to date on the stuff, because everything is going to

510
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Speaker 1: have something in it that really changes the paradigm.

511
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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, we're obviously about to get into it,

512
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Speaker 2: but like it's what they have captured. I mean, I'm look,

513
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Speaker 2: the calls come from outside the house. I'm in a

514
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Speaker 2: huge stand. I love I love all this shit. I'm

515
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Speaker 2: a company man through and through, so like I'm very biased,

516
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Speaker 2: but like what I love that they've been able to capture,

517
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Speaker 2: particularly with Phase four, is the like whenever you read

518
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Speaker 2: a comic, if you're a combook fan, like the status

519
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Speaker 2: quo is reset often and with great temerity. And I

520
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Speaker 2: think something that's really captured with this is like you're saying, like,

521
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Speaker 2: all right, yeah, everything that we knew about the Super

522
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Speaker 2: Soldiar program is actually bad. It's not a good thing.

523
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Speaker 2: It's caused a lot of pain and suffering people across

524
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Speaker 2: the world. Also, the big reveal is that like, hey,

525
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Speaker 2: the multiverse exists, baby, so like we can have stories.

526
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Speaker 2: We can have any story that we want to tell,

527
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Speaker 2: we can now tell, and anything that we want to retcon,

528
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Speaker 2: we can retconn or we can put things into it.

529
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Speaker 2: And like now, if you want to see like Alligator Loki, no,

530
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Speaker 2: let's pop in for an episode of Allegator Loki. It's

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Speaker 2: gonna completely fine because we have a infinite number of

532
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Speaker 2: universes to dive through into.

533
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Speaker 4: That Alligator Loki will be back. I've never been more

534
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Speaker 4: sure of anything that Allgator Loki.

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Speaker 1: Well, we're gonna get pet Avengers at some point, Lockjaw

536
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Speaker 1: and Alligator Loki and the other four frog Yeah, yes,

537
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Speaker 1: all of them are going to be here Rocket Raccoon,

538
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Speaker 1: that's kind of below him. I guess let's start with

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Speaker 1: Wana Vision, which came out in January of twenty twenty one.

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Speaker 1: Strange things afoot in Westview, New Jersey, an idyllic suburban

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Speaker 1: town where a Vision and want to maxim Off have

542
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Speaker 1: made their home. But of course everything is not as

543
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Speaker 1: it seems. Their family grows quickly as Tommy and Billy

544
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Speaker 1: are born, but there are a lot of other weird

545
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Speaker 1: and mysterious and magical events that are taking place. This

546
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Speaker 1: was based on Vision in The Scarlet Witch Volumes one

547
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Speaker 1: and two from the eighties, which is a four issue

548
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Speaker 1: and a twelve issue limited series, respectively. In West Coast

549
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Speaker 1: Avengers forty five to fifty two, which is first appearance

550
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Speaker 1: of the White Vision and the revelation that spoiler Wanda's

551
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Speaker 1: kids are not real big air quotes there. So, you know,

552
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Speaker 1: the biggest thing for me with how this show changed

553
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Speaker 1: the Marvel universe is we've with Disney's acquisition of twentieth

554
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Speaker 1: Century Fox, has been a lot of like, how will

555
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Speaker 1: the Mutants happen?

556
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Speaker 4: How will the X Men happen?

557
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Speaker 1: I think that you know, the recent Eternals trailer gives

558
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Speaker 1: us yet another avenue for how the X Men might happen.

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Speaker 1: But this was, you know, in the Marvel universe to date,

560
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Speaker 1: you got powers either by science, experiment, science accident.

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Speaker 4: Yep, you are a god and you know basically that's it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, what we got here in WandaVision is the seeming

563
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Speaker 1: hint that Wanda was born with her powers. Now could

564
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Speaker 1: does that make her a mutant?

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Speaker 4: Does? Is that a magical thing? We don't know?

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Speaker 1: But in that flashback where we saw her parents' apartment

567
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Speaker 1: get bombed, it is heavily suggested that she used tex

568
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Speaker 1: powers in that moment. M.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was all these three shows hit three different,

570
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Speaker 2: very slight different slices of the Marvel the Marvel over

571
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Speaker 2: arching universe. We have Mystic high Strangeness Marvel, we have

572
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Speaker 2: Espionage Military Marvel, and then my personal favorite cosmic Marble.

573
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Speaker 2: And what really, what I really loved most about WandaVision,

574
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Speaker 2: like you're saying, is that like it's sort of a

575
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Speaker 2: mix of all three in a very fun, organic way,

576
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Speaker 2: like I think you want to It was originally supposed

577
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Speaker 2: to come out second from what I remember, is like

578
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Speaker 2: it could being the first out of the gate where

579
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Speaker 2: we have like we have like we have a deep

580
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Speaker 2: dive into like what the sort of what the rules

581
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Speaker 2: of like magic are in this universe because we didn't

582
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Speaker 2: really get it that much in Doctor Strange, just like

583
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Speaker 2: he does his hand things and whatever. It seems like

584
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Speaker 2: only one it seems like really only one sect of

585
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Speaker 2: people can learn magic in that sting. But then you're like, oh,

586
00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:15,960
Speaker 2: there's there's different there's different gangs. There's different magic gangs

587
00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:16,760
Speaker 2: running through these streets.

588
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Speaker 3: Right now. We gotta act with the.

589
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Speaker 2: We got lot of and I love that, but I

590
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Speaker 2: also love the intredation of like you know, we have

591
00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:25,600
Speaker 2: sword is like said on screen, like physically it's not

592
00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:27,840
Speaker 2: just like Nick for You're hanging out with scrolls and

593
00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:30,439
Speaker 2: space assumingly like it's we get all that, and then

594
00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:32,679
Speaker 2: we have like the cosmic era, the cosmic of it

595
00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:35,680
Speaker 2: all with like she's like actual projecting towards the end

596
00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:37,600
Speaker 2: and like she's like gearing up and all that fun

597
00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:40,400
Speaker 2: weird stuff that like, to me, it's the perfect distillation

598
00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:42,680
Speaker 2: of like what a straight up comic book is and

599
00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:45,400
Speaker 2: what it feels like. We're like we have this weird

600
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Speaker 2: high concept premise. All right, we have vision and want

601
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Speaker 2: to have a family. Uh, and we're gonna inject that

602
00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:53,520
Speaker 2: with like some TV version of it by Heavy get

603
00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:55,640
Speaker 2: met it, Like well, they take place in different sitcoms

604
00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:57,640
Speaker 2: throughout every I love all that, and I also love

605
00:28:57,720 --> 00:28:59,880
Speaker 2: that like they really held out for like the big

606
00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:01,720
Speaker 2: marble of it all, like the big you know set

607
00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:03,920
Speaker 2: piece fights towards the end, and like by that point,

608
00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:06,000
Speaker 2: like we actually care about these characters, like you know,

609
00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:07,959
Speaker 2: they've been in like six movies or whatever, but like

610
00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:11,040
Speaker 2: we didn't really sit down and be like, oh, I

611
00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:13,160
Speaker 2: like that Vision has a sense of humor, Like I

612
00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:14,960
Speaker 2: like that he's funny, Like we don't get to see

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Speaker 2: that side of it in most of these movies. And

614
00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:18,680
Speaker 2: like I like that Wanda has a personalty, like she's

615
00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:20,680
Speaker 2: funny in her own unique way. I and like I

616
00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:22,960
Speaker 2: buy their love like I would like they end when

617
00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:26,040
Speaker 2: like you know, she's erasing, resetting reality or whatever, sending

618
00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:27,760
Speaker 2: it back to a road, and like like they had

619
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Speaker 2: that that final kiss, I'm like, oh I get this.

620
00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:33,760
Speaker 2: I I'm completely invested in the Vision, which is something

621
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Speaker 2: I never would have said if I like halfway through

622
00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:38,280
Speaker 2: a Silver War, We've like you're gonna cry when Vision

623
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Speaker 2: dies again?

624
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Speaker 3: I like, yeah that way, Yeah, then get out of here. Uh.

625
00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:44,320
Speaker 4: There's also like a really.

626
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Speaker 1: There's something really interesting about the way it the statement

627
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Speaker 1: it kind of makes about like how powerful certain like

628
00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:57,040
Speaker 1: desires are in the American subconscious, Like they're like so

629
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Speaker 1: usually a superhero story is some one gets powers or

630
00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:03,800
Speaker 1: their powers awaken and they step into this new world

631
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Speaker 1: and have these amazing adventures out in this strange place,

632
00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:11,680
Speaker 1: like Vision and Wanda have done that. They have their powers,

633
00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:14,400
Speaker 1: but what they want is just like be normal. Like

634
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Speaker 1: the next adventure to them is a house in the

635
00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:19,840
Speaker 1: suburbs and let's have a family. And it speaks to

636
00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:25,520
Speaker 1: the power of that desire and how universal it is,

637
00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:28,480
Speaker 1: Like it's on every sitcom, as you noted, Like it's

638
00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:30,880
Speaker 1: on every it's in every movie. Every story you read

639
00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:34,840
Speaker 1: is some version of this kind of let's go out

640
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Speaker 1: someplace and get like a one and a half you know,

641
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Speaker 1: baths and three bedroom house and like have a family.

642
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Speaker 3: Yeah.

643
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Speaker 1: And the other part of it is we also learned

644
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Speaker 1: like a really cool secret power that Vision had is

645
00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:50,920
Speaker 1: an ability to buy a house without anybody.

646
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Speaker 4: Having any idea.

647
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Speaker 1: Like this guy, I don't know where he got the money,

648
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Speaker 1: Like did he sell a piece of his fingernail like

649
00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:01,840
Speaker 1: vibrate and get like two million dollars in money, like

650
00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:03,360
Speaker 1: for vibrated, Like how did.

651
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Speaker 4: You do this?

652
00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:05,480
Speaker 3: I love the idea of him going to a bank

653
00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:07,400
Speaker 3: to get a loan and then entering into escrow to

654
00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:10,400
Speaker 3: buy a house in New Jersey and no one's like, hey,

655
00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:12,720
Speaker 3: remember that time that giant dude floated down from on

656
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Speaker 3: high to like buy a lot of land.

657
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Speaker 1: He had no id, he was like apparently he was

658
00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:21,960
Speaker 1: born three and a half years ago, but appear to

659
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:23,080
Speaker 1: be like a middle aged man.

660
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Speaker 5: Uh.

661
00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:27,880
Speaker 1: It was absolutely bizarre. But he had the money. Yeah,

662
00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:30,040
Speaker 1: like that was he.

663
00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:31,680
Speaker 2: Was the only dude that Tony was paying when they

664
00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:34,320
Speaker 2: were on the New Avengers. That's the only one. There's

665
00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:37,200
Speaker 2: like either you were or you you were or Falcon.

666
00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:39,040
Speaker 2: It's like, I'm sorry, I gotta go with you man.

667
00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:40,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, sorry, you no money for you?

668
00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:40,520
Speaker 2: Yeah.

669
00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:42,320
Speaker 4: But like but but vision can buy a house.

670
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:44,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess like when you don't have to eat

671
00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:47,880
Speaker 1: or buy cars like you do you save a lot.

672
00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:50,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's not paying for gas, he ain't nothing. He

673
00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:52,760
Speaker 2: can fly, he float where he needs to. Yeah, he's good.

674
00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:54,479
Speaker 2: He's probably got no doors. On the house too, so

675
00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:56,760
Speaker 2: like before, because he could just like step through things

676
00:31:56,800 --> 00:31:58,440
Speaker 2: and like you know, we got a lot of entry ways.

677
00:31:58,480 --> 00:31:59,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's got he's got it.

678
00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:05,080
Speaker 1: Some other things we learned are that something about Wanda's powers.

679
00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:08,840
Speaker 1: She creates this hex sphere that changes the reality of

680
00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:13,320
Speaker 1: everything that's happening inside, and Monica Rambeau goes inside of

681
00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:18,160
Speaker 1: it and comes out with the powers that we think

682
00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:19,480
Speaker 1: will lead to her.

683
00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:21,440
Speaker 4: Becoming a spectrum.

684
00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:25,960
Speaker 1: And so this raises the possibility that now we have,

685
00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:29,239
Speaker 1: along with being born with powers, yet another way that

686
00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:31,560
Speaker 1: you can be powered up, which is you come into

687
00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:32,840
Speaker 1: contact with Wanda's magic.

688
00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:34,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, and all of a sudden.

689
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:37,280
Speaker 1: You have these abilities, which is a tremendous thing. They

690
00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:40,320
Speaker 1: also used Wanda's energies to power up Vision in his

691
00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:41,720
Speaker 1: in his white vision form.

692
00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:43,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm very curious to see what comes out of

693
00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:46,600
Speaker 2: this if we do get some like tertiary characters that like, yeah,

694
00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:49,160
Speaker 2: maybe they're not mutants or that in humans, but like

695
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:51,680
Speaker 2: this is like the their version of what that would be.

696
00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:54,560
Speaker 1: Right, all those people that were inside, like what happened

697
00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:57,160
Speaker 1: to them did did they were their cells mutated as well?

698
00:32:57,200 --> 00:33:01,040
Speaker 1: It's like it is it's certainly on the table. Also, Sword,

699
00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:04,360
Speaker 1: we get our first glimpse of Sword and we get

700
00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:07,200
Speaker 1: to see how they work. They are the sentient I

701
00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:12,000
Speaker 1: love Marble acronyms, so the freaking best, honestly, Yeah, they

702
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:16,280
Speaker 1: are the sentient Weapons Observation and Response Division. How long

703
00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:18,840
Speaker 1: did it take them, by the way, just to sit there? Okay,

704
00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:19,480
Speaker 1: Like how do we.

705
00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:22,000
Speaker 4: Love it?

706
00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:22,520
Speaker 3: Yeah?

707
00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:24,640
Speaker 2: I love it because they have Hammer too in the comics,

708
00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:26,880
Speaker 2: and like they just just never address what hammer is,

709
00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:30,360
Speaker 2: like whatever, we're gonna fix this later, and they just

710
00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:32,520
Speaker 2: never address what hammer could possibly stand for.

711
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:36,000
Speaker 1: My favorite thing also like is post Like I don't

712
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:38,000
Speaker 1: know if you read Nick Furyver Shield. It's like an

713
00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:42,400
Speaker 1: eighties limited series where Nick finds out that like a

714
00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:45,240
Speaker 1: shield is basically all a hydroplot like a lot of

715
00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:48,320
Speaker 1: Captain America Winter Soldiers was based on this, and and

716
00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:51,400
Speaker 1: so they just they dismantle Shield and then they rebuild

717
00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:54,760
Speaker 1: it but also as Shield. But then they just change,

718
00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:59,680
Speaker 1: like what all the what all that acronyms. They're like, now,

719
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:03,120
Speaker 1: let's turn the page at a new start, where what

720
00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:04,480
Speaker 1: are we going to call it? We're also going to

721
00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:06,560
Speaker 1: call it shield, but like they're just gonna change the

722
00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:07,280
Speaker 1: entire agronum.

723
00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:09,319
Speaker 3: We already have the shirt, so like there's a pre

724
00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:10,800
Speaker 3: lock were.

725
00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:12,600
Speaker 4: I got the pens. I don't want to get a

726
00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:14,520
Speaker 4: new mouse path. Yeah.

727
00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:17,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a rebranding. Will be good Chield two point zero.

728
00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:19,000
Speaker 4: But I think one of the.

729
00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:23,480
Speaker 1: A thing that I am really interested in is so

730
00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:26,000
Speaker 1: sentient weapons observation and response to vision.

731
00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:29,880
Speaker 4: Obviously, like the director h H.

732
00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:35,640
Speaker 1: Tyler Hayward was like super invested in examining vision his body,

733
00:34:35,680 --> 00:34:38,200
Speaker 1: understanding how it works. I think that there's a world

734
00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:41,480
Speaker 1: in which this is like the MCU precursor to the

735
00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:44,680
Speaker 1: Sentinel program, Like this is the start of the Wow.

736
00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:47,279
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, I could see this.

737
00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:50,560
Speaker 1: Is how this is how it begins. And then Hayward

738
00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:54,640
Speaker 1: loses control of white vision. But like all the data

739
00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:58,080
Speaker 1: that they got from examining him leads them to like

740
00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:02,880
Speaker 1: kickstart the actual sentiment. That's a I don't know if

741
00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:07,120
Speaker 1: it's a theory or something that seems pretty obvious or whatever,

742
00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:08,279
Speaker 1: but that's the thing that I've been saying.

743
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:09,719
Speaker 3: You know, A good thing that.

744
00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:12,040
Speaker 2: I also love about Marvel is that, like you can

745
00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:15,160
Speaker 2: they will leave uh they only something dangling for years

746
00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:15,799
Speaker 2: and never pick it.

747
00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:17,120
Speaker 3: Up for years and years and years.

748
00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:19,719
Speaker 2: Yes, Like I think everything is an offering to them,

749
00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:23,440
Speaker 2: Like I would be super into that's how they backdoor

750
00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:26,960
Speaker 2: into the Sentinel program and like that's like, you know,

751
00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:29,120
Speaker 2: if Wanda is the original mutant or like she's like

752
00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:31,080
Speaker 2: the precursor for certainly mbidence, it seems like an easy

753
00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:33,840
Speaker 2: end for how we get get those guys set up

754
00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:34,600
Speaker 2: to fight each other.

755
00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:36,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's you mentioned that.

756
00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:39,840
Speaker 1: It's something I've noticed too, and as I've seen like

757
00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:43,960
Speaker 1: more people writers with like improv backgrounds go into comics,

758
00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:47,439
Speaker 1: it kind of like philosophically makes sense because a lot

759
00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:51,520
Speaker 1: of it is this like oh there's this like yes

760
00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:54,200
Speaker 1: that has been dangled for years and now someone comes

761
00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:55,360
Speaker 1: in and just goes, I'm gonna take that.

762
00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:57,400
Speaker 4: I'm an run with it, like another thing off that.

763
00:35:57,560 --> 00:36:00,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the truly freeing thing about comics is I mean,

764
00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:02,719
Speaker 2: it is daunting in that you have sixty years of

765
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:06,120
Speaker 2: sixty seventy years like Lord to deal from, but it's

766
00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:08,520
Speaker 2: also like, yeah, this issue this person said he duck

767
00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:10,319
Speaker 2: left under a fight, and then like you know what,

768
00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:11,920
Speaker 2: six years later, I'm gonna pay that off and tell

769
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:13,600
Speaker 2: you exactly why he always Ducks left.

770
00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:14,640
Speaker 3: We Heed's into a fight.

771
00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:21,160
Speaker 1: Let's see, we got our first appearance of Agatha Harkness

772
00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:25,160
Speaker 1: in WandaVision Ni Immortal Witch, Powerful Magic User. She tells

773
00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:31,640
Speaker 1: us that Wanda is this fabled and previously thought to

774
00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:37,719
Speaker 1: be legendary super uber ultra witch names Scarlet Witch, and

775
00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:41,239
Speaker 1: we get that. Yeah, we get that first first mention

776
00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:43,520
Speaker 1: of her actual code name, Scarlet Witch. And then of

777
00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:47,719
Speaker 1: course we get the appearances of Billy and Tommy in

778
00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:51,440
Speaker 1: the comics as Wicked and Speed. They're in WandaVision in

779
00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:56,040
Speaker 1: their Wicked and Speed costumes, which was absolutely thrilling. Yeah,

780
00:36:56,080 --> 00:36:59,840
Speaker 1: setting the stage for we can only assume the appearance

781
00:36:59,840 --> 00:37:01,400
Speaker 1: of Young Avengers at some point.

782
00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:03,080
Speaker 2: I mean, they're all there, They're all like, they're all

783
00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:05,479
Speaker 2: later out there. Yeah, yeah, they're the only person they're missing.

784
00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:07,399
Speaker 2: Is I think, is Hopling right? And I'm sure there

785
00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:09,319
Speaker 2: there's gotta be a scroll hanging out there somewhere they

786
00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:10,360
Speaker 2: can they can Hulkling.

787
00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:10,640
Speaker 3: Is it.

788
00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:13,320
Speaker 4: They've already got Kate Bishop we know is coming?

789
00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:17,680
Speaker 1: Uh stature uh stature, is there is like already in

790
00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:22,840
Speaker 1: the universe. Kid Loki like just appeared in the in

791
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:26,640
Speaker 1: the Loki series and then uh, Miss America, Yeah, we

792
00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:29,560
Speaker 1: understand is going to be in Doctor. So that team

793
00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:33,680
Speaker 1: is there, Uh super excited about that. Let's move on

794
00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:36,239
Speaker 1: to Falcon and Winter Soldier, which I thought, this is

795
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:41,480
Speaker 1: so for me, the the least satisfying in terms of

796
00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:45,360
Speaker 1: like execution as a story. But I give them heavy, heavy,

797
00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:50,360
Speaker 1: a heavy pass because COVID like absolutely wrecked their production schedule.

798
00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:53,759
Speaker 1: You could tell that Julia Louis Dreyfus was on set

799
00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:56,200
Speaker 1: for an hour and that she might have done her

800
00:37:56,239 --> 00:37:57,160
Speaker 1: own makeup.

801
00:37:56,840 --> 00:37:59,480
Speaker 4: And hair, like it might have come in her own clothes.

802
00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:01,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is the one that screamed the most, Like

803
00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:04,640
Speaker 2: we were supposed to be led up by Black Widow

804
00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:06,359
Speaker 2: and then that just did not happen for a year

805
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:08,000
Speaker 2: and a half. So like she shows up, You're like,

806
00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:09,840
Speaker 2: I feel like there was a scene in another movie

807
00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:12,200
Speaker 2: that gave me context like what this person, because she

808
00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:14,960
Speaker 2: had like in Falcon Winnisoda, she had like ticks and

809
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:16,719
Speaker 2: stuff that she was doing, like here's like my car

810
00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:18,880
Speaker 2: just the car s blink or whatever. I'm like that

811
00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:20,720
Speaker 2: seems like a joke that was set up in something

812
00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:22,319
Speaker 2: else that was supposed to come out that did not

813
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:26,239
Speaker 2: quite pay off for this, I sort of have the

814
00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:29,080
Speaker 2: same thoughts. I also will say that espionage Marvel is

815
00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:30,480
Speaker 2: the one that I am the least. I've always been

816
00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:32,480
Speaker 2: the least like super tapped into. But like, yeah, I've

817
00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:34,880
Speaker 2: I've never been super inspiced. I've always been like give me,

818
00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:37,400
Speaker 2: give me big cosmic gods, or give me give me

819
00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:39,120
Speaker 2: someone green, Like that's always been a thing that've been

820
00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:39,640
Speaker 2: super into.

821
00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:41,080
Speaker 3: Give me give me.

822
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:44,720
Speaker 2: Someone green, good, more goodmore, she hulked drags. I'll take anyone.

823
00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:47,720
Speaker 2: I'm open to all of them. But I do enjoy

824
00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:51,680
Speaker 2: what they did status quo wise, I'm a huge fan

825
00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:54,040
Speaker 2: of Isaiah Bradley. Have always been a huge stand of

826
00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:57,000
Speaker 2: Patriot as well, two of my favorite characters, and I

827
00:38:57,040 --> 00:38:59,080
Speaker 2: love that they worked him into this, and I love

828
00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:03,239
Speaker 2: that they also again set up for young Avengers, and

829
00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:05,359
Speaker 2: I love that as I love that this is also

830
00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:07,279
Speaker 2: this is the first show that's introduced the concept of

831
00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:09,880
Speaker 2: like legacy characters in Marvel as far as I know,

832
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:12,239
Speaker 2: we're like all right, there were literal passing of the

833
00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:16,239
Speaker 2: shield to to to Falcon and then like course, and

834
00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:19,080
Speaker 2: you know it's gonna set up for all these other things,

835
00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:20,040
Speaker 2: like we have to reset.

836
00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:22,280
Speaker 3: We can't do Old Hawkeye anymore.

837
00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:23,880
Speaker 2: We need to have Young Hawkey, and I'm assuming the

838
00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:25,640
Speaker 2: same thing's gonna be happening to the rest of these series.

839
00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:28,279
Speaker 2: Like that was my big takeaway that I'm like, oh great,

840
00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:31,480
Speaker 2: now we're fully cocked into eighth gear, running running head

841
00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:33,640
Speaker 2: first into like comic book fille, which I'm all for.

842
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:37,080
Speaker 4: I am all for it as well, So quick recap.

843
00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:40,040
Speaker 1: In the aftermath of the Blip, Sam Wilson, the Falcon,

844
00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:42,600
Speaker 1: and Buckie Barnes aka the Winter Soldier face off against

845
00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:47,480
Speaker 1: a super soldier serum enhanced terrorist group led by the

846
00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:53,400
Speaker 1: passionate flag smasher Karl Morgenthau. Sam rejects Captain America's shield

847
00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:56,120
Speaker 1: think he should stand in a museum, only to find

848
00:39:56,120 --> 00:40:01,480
Speaker 1: it into the hands of the very aggressive John Walker,

849
00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:03,839
Speaker 1: who quickly becomes.

850
00:40:03,520 --> 00:40:05,120
Speaker 4: Powered up on his own.

851
00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:09,200
Speaker 1: And really the big paradigm shift and is a massive, massive,

852
00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:16,960
Speaker 1: massive recontextualization of marvelore is we get the storyline based

853
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:19,040
Speaker 1: on truth, Red, White, and Black by Robert Morales and

854
00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:22,360
Speaker 1: Kyle Baker, in which we discovered that the super soldier

855
00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:25,000
Speaker 1: program did not stop with Captain America, did not stop

856
00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:29,799
Speaker 1: with the destruction of all the serum. It in fact continued,

857
00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:36,080
Speaker 1: and that various black soldiers, Black American soldiers were injected

858
00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:40,440
Speaker 1: with various experimental forms of the super Soldiers super Soldier serum.

859
00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:43,360
Speaker 1: Many of them, if not hundreds of them, died in

860
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:46,680
Speaker 1: horrific fashion as a direct result of that serum, and

861
00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:49,799
Speaker 1: that the one success story, if you could call it, that,

862
00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:55,920
Speaker 1: the Black Captain America. Isaiah Bradley was then court martialed

863
00:40:56,560 --> 00:40:59,919
Speaker 1: and imprisoned after doing the exact same thing that Steve

864
00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:03,239
Speaker 1: Rogers does in Captain America. The first renders his his

865
00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:08,839
Speaker 1: friends unit gets captured, and he knows that the army

866
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:11,560
Speaker 1: just plans to like bomb the base, so he goes

867
00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:14,680
Speaker 1: in on his own rogue mission and rescues all of them.

868
00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:18,480
Speaker 1: Steve Rogers became Captain America and became like the paragon

869
00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:23,400
Speaker 1: of American virtue and strength. And Isaiah Bradley was thrown

870
00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:28,239
Speaker 1: into like a dark cell and some military black sites

871
00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:31,759
Speaker 1: somewhere where he was kept for decades and tortured and

872
00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:32,560
Speaker 1: experimented on.

873
00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:35,960
Speaker 4: This is a I mean, it's it's a huge thing.

874
00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:40,960
Speaker 1: And yeah, shouts to Carl Lumbley, who is just you

875
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:41,960
Speaker 1: can't take your eyes off.

876
00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:43,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's captivating.

877
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:46,040
Speaker 2: He's captivating, and like he's like one of those like

878
00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:48,160
Speaker 2: he sort of got from the same school like Viola datis,

879
00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:49,920
Speaker 2: like you want to see them in pain, Like I

880
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:53,799
Speaker 2: think when character they do pain so well. I one

881
00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:55,520
Speaker 2: of the This is just like a side from that.

882
00:41:55,640 --> 00:41:57,719
Speaker 2: But like what I do like about them introducing the

883
00:41:57,719 --> 00:42:00,160
Speaker 2: content of like imprisoning these you know black supers or

884
00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:02,120
Speaker 2: is that like for it opens Like one of my

885
00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:04,239
Speaker 2: personal favorite characters is like Blue Marvel, and like his

886
00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:06,800
Speaker 2: whole thing was like like he was he was asked

887
00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:08,960
Speaker 2: like he was like one of the first like super superpowers,

888
00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:10,359
Speaker 2: like guys like you know I can I can wreck

889
00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:12,280
Speaker 2: everything if you guys look at me the wrong way,

890
00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:13,800
Speaker 2: And they're like, you know what, we don't need a

891
00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:15,799
Speaker 2: black superman, so like we're just gonna like make you

892
00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:18,880
Speaker 2: like basically retire and in the sixties. And like I

893
00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:21,080
Speaker 2: love that opened ups the door for that character because

894
00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:23,319
Speaker 2: I'm a super huge fan of Blue Marvel. Like I

895
00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:25,560
Speaker 2: love that this would possibly will be a back door

896
00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:27,359
Speaker 2: like was he one of those super soldier guys too

897
00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:29,400
Speaker 2: that like he was asked to like step down or

898
00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:31,800
Speaker 2: he was the nuclear thing fell into the toaster and

899
00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:33,000
Speaker 2: he got zapped into the negative zone.

900
00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:33,080
Speaker 1: No.

901
00:42:33,239 --> 00:42:35,240
Speaker 2: Ever, like I love that what it sets up status

902
00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:37,320
Speaker 2: quo wise for going for when it comes to Marvel.

903
00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:40,680
Speaker 1: Same and as a layer of complexity too, because that's

904
00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:42,680
Speaker 1: kind of like I want to say.

905
00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:45,919
Speaker 4: More of a uh, I guess, more of a DC thing.

906
00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:49,719
Speaker 1: This this idea of actually the government in the military

907
00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:51,719
Speaker 1: are like unambiguously bad.

908
00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:53,040
Speaker 4: They're doing bad.

909
00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:56,960
Speaker 1: Shit all the time, and Superman either doesn't know about

910
00:42:56,960 --> 00:42:59,319
Speaker 1: it or like is kept in the dark about it.

911
00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:04,400
Speaker 1: And it's only through the actions of like quasi criminal

912
00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:08,000
Speaker 1: heroes that like any of this stuff gets exposed. Marvel

913
00:43:08,239 --> 00:43:10,439
Speaker 1: kind of like toes that line where it's like, yes,

914
00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:14,400
Speaker 1: the Sentinel program was supported by the US military and

915
00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:17,400
Speaker 1: it is an absolute project of the United States government.

916
00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:21,360
Speaker 1: But also and yes, like the Sentinels wiped out like

917
00:43:21,520 --> 00:43:25,239
Speaker 1: several million mutants on the island of Genosha. But also

918
00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:28,560
Speaker 1: like Captain America was not involved in that PERSI didn't

919
00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:31,520
Speaker 1: know and the Secret of Defense probably didn't know.

920
00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:34,920
Speaker 3: Rogue operations, Yeah, they're never explicit.

921
00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:37,400
Speaker 2: Like the most explicitive is like you know, winners holdiers,

922
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:39,239
Speaker 2: like you know what show was actually full of Nazi

923
00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:41,359
Speaker 2: the entire time, and we do have a master kill

924
00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:45,239
Speaker 2: list that from Tony start to just like regular surgeons

925
00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:47,560
Speaker 2: that's on ours but like, I like this the first

926
00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:49,200
Speaker 2: time they were they're like, you know what, the government

927
00:43:49,239 --> 00:43:51,120
Speaker 2: actually a cab, Like maybe they are a little bit

928
00:43:51,120 --> 00:43:52,279
Speaker 2: of a cab and they're not.

929
00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:53,799
Speaker 4: Guess what, guess what?

930
00:43:54,040 --> 00:43:59,040
Speaker 1: It wasn't good like Erskine was was definitely an outlier

931
00:43:59,320 --> 00:44:07,440
Speaker 1: in that room. And we get our first appearance of Madrapoor,

932
00:44:07,640 --> 00:44:10,960
Speaker 1: which is the oligarchical, quasi lawless Asian city state which

933
00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:14,480
Speaker 1: is based on Singapore, which, despite its location, curiously devoid

934
00:44:14,520 --> 00:44:19,000
Speaker 1: of Asians in this storytelling, but that's fine. We find

935
00:44:19,040 --> 00:44:23,520
Speaker 1: out that Sharon Carter, agent thirteen in the comics, a

936
00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:28,960
Speaker 1: quite often a love interest of Steve Rogers, has remade

937
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:35,560
Speaker 1: herself as the Power Broker, a basically criminal mastermind who

938
00:44:35,600 --> 00:44:38,920
Speaker 1: is going to deal super soldier serum on the black market.

939
00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:41,480
Speaker 1: We get the first appearance of John Walker, a k

940
00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:46,960
Speaker 1: US agent boy created the fascist Captain of America named

941
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:49,880
Speaker 1: is Steve Rodgers official replacement. Of course, He takes a

942
00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:52,080
Speaker 1: super soldier serum just like on his own, just like

943
00:44:52,200 --> 00:44:54,640
Speaker 1: injects it into his own button, and then we get

944
00:44:54,640 --> 00:44:58,839
Speaker 1: the first appearance of the Contessa Valentina Legradfontaine Julie Luis

945
00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:03,480
Speaker 1: s Treyfus again on set for an hour, and she

946
00:45:03,520 --> 00:45:07,040
Speaker 1: appears to be I would you know at the events

947
00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:09,120
Speaker 1: of Black Widow show The Stinger at the end of

948
00:45:09,120 --> 00:45:12,719
Speaker 1: Black Widow suggests that she's putting together like a Thunderbolt

949
00:45:13,040 --> 00:45:17,399
Speaker 1: style Yeah, yeah, Dark Avengers squad with US agent, with

950
00:45:17,719 --> 00:45:21,880
Speaker 1: Yolena and who knows who else, And of course we

951
00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:25,239
Speaker 1: get our first glimpse of Elijah Bradley, who in the

952
00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:30,680
Speaker 1: comics is the Patriot Isaiah, Isaiah Bradley's grandson and another

953
00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:32,960
Speaker 1: member of the Young Avengers.

954
00:45:33,560 --> 00:45:35,520
Speaker 2: This is the show I think that I'm it's sort

955
00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:37,359
Speaker 2: of like that connected tissue in like Phase two where

956
00:45:37,360 --> 00:45:39,560
Speaker 2: it's like we got to get the Avengers together. It's

957
00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:42,120
Speaker 2: basically what I sort of felt from this for I

958
00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:44,960
Speaker 2: mean whatever, Like that's not a condemnation or anything, but

959
00:45:45,080 --> 00:45:47,560
Speaker 2: like I'm most excited about, like you said, like what

960
00:45:47,719 --> 00:45:49,520
Speaker 2: this Thunderbolts is going to look like. That was my

961
00:45:49,560 --> 00:45:52,280
Speaker 2: big takeaway from this, Like I love what they possibly

962
00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:54,920
Speaker 2: do with Thunderbolts. I also want to just I want

963
00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:56,279
Speaker 2: to honestly just want to see more of like what

964
00:45:56,480 --> 00:45:59,239
Speaker 2: Isaiah Bradley is doing, like in Patriot Sure that to

965
00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:02,000
Speaker 2: me is like the most mostly rich soil that like,

966
00:46:02,040 --> 00:46:04,000
Speaker 2: I want to plan a little little nerd tree in

967
00:46:04,040 --> 00:46:05,279
Speaker 2: and see what's brought side of it.

968
00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:10,120
Speaker 1: They So that's episode five of this series is where

969
00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:14,399
Speaker 1: you get the whole download on on what was going

970
00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:20,120
Speaker 1: on with the Super Social Program post Captain America, uh

971
00:46:20,160 --> 00:46:26,439
Speaker 1: and what happened with Isaiah Bradley. They went extremely hard

972
00:46:26,440 --> 00:46:28,680
Speaker 1: in the paint. Like I did not think that they

973
00:46:28,680 --> 00:46:31,880
Speaker 1: were going to go that hard, and I was actually like,

974
00:46:32,040 --> 00:46:35,600
Speaker 1: fuck yeah they would shouts to Malcolm Smellman, showrunner, but

975
00:46:35,719 --> 00:46:41,960
Speaker 1: it was like straight up like like Isaiah Bradley says, like,

976
00:46:42,080 --> 00:46:45,080
Speaker 1: no self respecting black man would not would the shield.

977
00:46:45,080 --> 00:46:46,880
Speaker 4: It was like, holy ship, we're doing it.

978
00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:47,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're going.

979
00:46:48,040 --> 00:46:51,239
Speaker 2: He basically called him a cornball brother and he did.

980
00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:52,080
Speaker 2: How you feel about that?

981
00:46:52,160 --> 00:46:53,160
Speaker 4: King?

982
00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:54,840
Speaker 3: I was?

983
00:46:55,080 --> 00:46:55,520
Speaker 4: I was.

984
00:46:56,920 --> 00:47:01,040
Speaker 1: I was surprised, and I was really kind of proud

985
00:47:01,120 --> 00:47:03,799
Speaker 1: of of Marvel for going, Yeah, Darren going that hard

986
00:47:03,840 --> 00:47:06,680
Speaker 1: with it, having that kind of conversation in that context

987
00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:09,319
Speaker 1: on a Disney Plus show, Because if you're gonna if

988
00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:11,320
Speaker 1: you're gonna explore that kind of subject matter in that

989
00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:11,759
Speaker 1: kind of way.

990
00:47:11,800 --> 00:47:13,239
Speaker 4: You kind of have to have that. Somebody has to

991
00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:13,920
Speaker 4: have that conversation.

992
00:47:14,080 --> 00:47:16,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean everyone's been thinking, well, everyone that's you know,

993
00:47:16,200 --> 00:47:17,880
Speaker 2: not a straight white guy has been thinking that the

994
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:19,600
Speaker 2: entire time. You're like, you're really gonna put the stars

995
00:47:19,600 --> 00:47:21,439
Speaker 2: and bars across your chest? Like that seems a little

996
00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:22,680
Speaker 2: I don't know about that one. King, Like I don't

997
00:47:22,680 --> 00:47:24,560
Speaker 2: know about that one. Let's run the tape back and

998
00:47:24,600 --> 00:47:30,000
Speaker 2: see how the US government clocks on that one. I

999
00:47:30,080 --> 00:47:31,759
Speaker 2: like that they called it out, but I'm also very

1000
00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:34,879
Speaker 2: curious to see, like what what what Roady, what what

1001
00:47:34,920 --> 00:47:37,960
Speaker 2: Wilson Sam's gonna be doing now that like he's like

1002
00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:41,480
Speaker 2: he sort of seems that he's like pulled himself up

1003
00:47:41,520 --> 00:47:43,440
Speaker 2: by his bootstraps to use a very bad in and

1004
00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:45,239
Speaker 2: in but like his whole thing was like I'm I'm

1005
00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:46,960
Speaker 2: just doing it for family, Like I'm doing this like

1006
00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:48,799
Speaker 2: get back on my own. So like I'm wondering if,

1007
00:47:48,840 --> 00:47:51,200
Speaker 2: like going forward, if it's going to be like you know,

1008
00:47:51,360 --> 00:47:53,839
Speaker 2: like you know, Winter social where Steve learns it, he's

1009
00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:55,840
Speaker 2: just been a tool for the government, Like now that

1010
00:47:55,880 --> 00:47:57,319
Speaker 2: he's free of that, like what's he going to be doing.

1011
00:47:57,480 --> 00:48:00,680
Speaker 2: Is he gonna be like forming his own sort of team,

1012
00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:02,560
Speaker 2: or what's he going to be doing, Like how's he

1013
00:48:02,560 --> 00:48:04,479
Speaker 2: going to be saving the world or putting like who's

1014
00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:05,040
Speaker 2: he gonna be fighting?

1015
00:48:05,080 --> 00:48:06,520
Speaker 3: I'm very curious to see like what he's doing.

1016
00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:10,400
Speaker 1: Say, absolutely the same kind of vibe. Also, it's like,

1017
00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:15,399
Speaker 1: you know, Steve, we're out of our heroes now will

1018
00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:20,400
Speaker 1: be operating we might assume out from under the umbrella

1019
00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:25,200
Speaker 1: of Tony Stark's incredible wealth. Yeah, so like like in

1020
00:48:25,239 --> 00:48:27,719
Speaker 1: the comics, like in the in the Sam Wilson Captain

1021
00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:30,919
Speaker 1: America comics where Sam's out there and he like sets

1022
00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:33,200
Speaker 1: up a one eight hundred number and he's doing stuff

1023
00:48:33,239 --> 00:48:35,600
Speaker 1: like on it, it's much more ground level, like he's

1024
00:48:35,600 --> 00:48:37,359
Speaker 1: not sure where the money's coming from. Like he has

1025
00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:39,680
Speaker 1: a you know, he has like the Marvel version of

1026
00:48:39,680 --> 00:48:43,799
Speaker 1: like a Patreon like Captain Verica. You know, like, are

1027
00:48:43,840 --> 00:48:47,560
Speaker 1: we gonna see Sam doing stuff independently on his own?

1028
00:48:47,600 --> 00:48:50,680
Speaker 1: And what does that mean in terms of like you know,

1029
00:48:50,920 --> 00:48:53,920
Speaker 1: like his ability to get you know, take care of

1030
00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:56,600
Speaker 1: his his weaponry, his suits, all that stuff, Like is

1031
00:48:56,600 --> 00:48:58,520
Speaker 1: he just going to be doing it on his own

1032
00:48:58,560 --> 00:49:00,879
Speaker 1: dime or how that is fascinating to me. And that's

1033
00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:03,600
Speaker 1: kind of like Marvel DNA too, is like, you know,

1034
00:49:03,680 --> 00:49:05,799
Speaker 1: Marvel Heroes worrying about where the red's gonna come from.

1035
00:49:05,880 --> 00:49:07,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know that bikes me curious.

1036
00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:09,560
Speaker 2: This is a complete wild pitch, but I wondered if

1037
00:49:09,560 --> 00:49:11,680
Speaker 2: that becomes like their version of Heroes for Hire. It's

1038
00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:14,400
Speaker 2: him and Bucky, yeah whoever, like getting a call on

1039
00:49:14,480 --> 00:49:17,279
Speaker 2: like the Falcon phone and being like, all right, we

1040
00:49:17,320 --> 00:49:19,520
Speaker 2: need to go bust up some guys in Lower East

1041
00:49:19,520 --> 00:49:21,840
Speaker 2: Manhattan or whatever. And that's how we're taking care of

1042
00:49:21,880 --> 00:49:23,799
Speaker 2: the boat this week maybe.

1043
00:49:25,719 --> 00:49:29,280
Speaker 4: And next up most recently is Loki. The series Loki.

1044
00:49:30,120 --> 00:49:32,120
Speaker 1: After the events of the Avengers and the Time Heist

1045
00:49:32,160 --> 00:49:36,920
Speaker 1: in spring twenty twelve, Loki is he escapes into the timeline,

1046
00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:41,560
Speaker 1: he is captured by the TVA, and there he discovers

1047
00:49:41,640 --> 00:49:44,719
Speaker 1: that not only are there multiple versions of himself through

1048
00:49:44,800 --> 00:49:48,400
Speaker 1: multiple versions of the Timeline that he knows, but reality

1049
00:49:48,440 --> 00:49:51,480
Speaker 1: and time itself are just like way way, way, way,

1050
00:49:51,520 --> 00:49:56,319
Speaker 1: way way way weird than he could have ever imagined.

1051
00:49:56,840 --> 00:50:00,520
Speaker 1: And this one it is like a colossal fl that

1052
00:50:00,640 --> 00:50:03,640
Speaker 1: just like on the final episode of like Loki, on

1053
00:50:03,680 --> 00:50:08,879
Speaker 1: Disney plus Marvel's just like, Okay, we've changed the universe completely. Yeah,

1054
00:50:08,960 --> 00:50:10,879
Speaker 1: all the stuff that happened in phase one, two three

1055
00:50:11,040 --> 00:50:15,600
Speaker 1: actually like was kind of had maybe theoretically have happened

1056
00:50:15,640 --> 00:50:19,000
Speaker 1: like countless times before, and it kind of was like

1057
00:50:19,040 --> 00:50:21,680
Speaker 1: the outcome was never in doubt, and now the real

1058
00:50:21,719 --> 00:50:24,120
Speaker 1: shit starts, Like now is when the actual stuff is.

1059
00:50:24,360 --> 00:50:26,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, now the stakes a right, I mean Waltrin put

1060
00:50:26,560 --> 00:50:27,480
Speaker 2: his foot all up in this thing.

1061
00:50:27,840 --> 00:50:29,360
Speaker 3: Is that. I love that.

1062
00:50:29,560 --> 00:50:31,600
Speaker 2: Like you're saying, like the final episode, like we're not

1063
00:50:31,640 --> 00:50:34,200
Speaker 2: going to get people fighting, It's gonna it's gonna be

1064
00:50:34,280 --> 00:50:38,040
Speaker 2: twenty five minutes of three classically trained, fantastic actors acting

1065
00:50:38,080 --> 00:50:40,239
Speaker 2: the shit out of a scene, and the blocking is

1066
00:50:40,440 --> 00:50:42,560
Speaker 2: Jonathan Majors eats an apple and sits weird on a

1067
00:50:42,640 --> 00:50:44,760
Speaker 2: chair Like that's it. That's the most action that happens.

1068
00:50:45,440 --> 00:50:47,520
Speaker 2: As you give a huge download and red conn of

1069
00:50:47,600 --> 00:50:49,440
Speaker 2: like everything you've experienced up at this point for the

1070
00:50:49,480 --> 00:50:52,480
Speaker 2: past twenty something movies of Marvel. I love it, like

1071
00:50:52,719 --> 00:50:55,200
Speaker 2: they stuck the landing. This has everything that I love

1072
00:50:55,280 --> 00:50:58,560
Speaker 2: about Cosmic Marvel. It's weird out the gate ye you

1073
00:50:58,600 --> 00:51:01,560
Speaker 2: can see the DNA of of Rick and Morty, Mike Walter,

1074
00:51:01,640 --> 00:51:04,000
Speaker 2: and the showrunner was a Rick and Mordy described forever

1075
00:51:05,080 --> 00:51:06,720
Speaker 2: and I think it is like number two. Tom Coffin

1076
00:51:06,760 --> 00:51:08,600
Speaker 2: was another Rick and Morty person. So like when you

1077
00:51:08,640 --> 00:51:10,719
Speaker 2: see these weird things, like when they have like, oh,

1078
00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:14,440
Speaker 2: here's ice giant Loki, here's twe de France Loki, here's whatever,

1079
00:51:14,440 --> 00:51:16,440
Speaker 2: like all that weird stuff that you would see in

1080
00:51:16,520 --> 00:51:19,800
Speaker 2: like reading those like big galactic cosmic comic books.

1081
00:51:19,800 --> 00:51:21,239
Speaker 3: They captured that beautifully.

1082
00:51:21,800 --> 00:51:23,719
Speaker 2: And this is just another small detail that also made

1083
00:51:23,800 --> 00:51:25,520
Speaker 2: me love it, Like where they're stuck on like the

1084
00:51:25,719 --> 00:51:27,759
Speaker 2: at the end of Existence whatever, and they're in like

1085
00:51:27,800 --> 00:51:30,200
Speaker 2: the low key base and they're pinning down to the dirt.

1086
00:51:30,239 --> 00:51:32,359
Speaker 2: It's like a little Loki trapped in like a little jar.

1087
00:51:32,480 --> 00:51:35,640
Speaker 2: I'm like, that's one hundred percent weird comic book that

1088
00:51:35,719 --> 00:51:39,320
Speaker 2: someone draws in like one panel that like yeah, people

1089
00:51:39,320 --> 00:51:41,080
Speaker 2: will take a screencap on and then like it never

1090
00:51:41,120 --> 00:51:43,680
Speaker 2: referenced again. Like this show for me is like the

1091
00:51:43,719 --> 00:51:47,160
Speaker 2: perfect distillation of like what weird fun comic book TV

1092
00:51:47,200 --> 00:51:48,400
Speaker 2: show adaptation should be.

1093
00:51:48,480 --> 00:51:49,120
Speaker 3: And like I.

1094
00:51:49,080 --> 00:51:52,080
Speaker 2: Cannot wait to see more more of this because now

1095
00:51:52,080 --> 00:51:54,000
Speaker 2: there's stakes, Like like you say, like they reset the

1096
00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:56,040
Speaker 2: new status quote like what's going to be happening and

1097
00:51:56,080 --> 00:51:58,080
Speaker 2: then're all with universes going forward.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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00:51:59,440 --> 00:52:03,719
Speaker 1: The thing, the thing that has always like gripped me

1100
00:52:03,800 --> 00:52:05,879
Speaker 1: about comics from the first time I started reading them

1101
00:52:06,600 --> 00:52:13,400
Speaker 1: was just like the complete boundless energy of the things

1102
00:52:13,400 --> 00:52:16,520
Speaker 1: that you could see, like crazy aliens that you would

1103
00:52:16,560 --> 00:52:20,120
Speaker 1: never expect, like weird world stuff happening on like in

1104
00:52:20,160 --> 00:52:23,280
Speaker 1: the past that's also happening in the future, like huge

1105
00:52:23,280 --> 00:52:25,640
Speaker 1: monsters that live under the ocean, Like there's there was

1106
00:52:25,719 --> 00:52:29,799
Speaker 1: no limit to it. And this Loki really it went

1107
00:52:29,840 --> 00:52:32,040
Speaker 1: there like as much as you could go there on

1108
00:52:32,080 --> 00:52:36,000
Speaker 1: television you mentioned Michael Waldron and the connections to Rereco Morni.

1109
00:52:36,040 --> 00:52:38,440
Speaker 1: There was like some fun, some real fun, Like it

1110
00:52:38,480 --> 00:52:44,239
Speaker 1: felt like direct references. There's in the finale, Jonathan Majors

1111
00:52:44,040 --> 00:52:47,120
Speaker 1: as Kang Slash a Mortists whoever.

1112
00:52:47,520 --> 00:52:49,759
Speaker 4: Says something like what does he say?

1113
00:52:49,800 --> 00:52:53,319
Speaker 1: He says like, oh, yes, you know, we're supposed to

1114
00:52:53,880 --> 00:52:57,600
Speaker 1: enter into an adventure and emerge forever change, Yeah, which

1115
00:52:57,680 --> 00:53:00,560
Speaker 1: is like a direct reference to the know the fame

1116
00:53:00,680 --> 00:53:03,799
Speaker 1: Dan Harmon story circle, which is how he designs many

1117
00:53:03,840 --> 00:53:07,440
Speaker 1: of his stories about a hero like entering a new world,

1118
00:53:07,520 --> 00:53:07,960
Speaker 1: et cetera.

1119
00:53:08,520 --> 00:53:09,560
Speaker 4: And it felt like a call that.

1120
00:53:09,800 --> 00:53:12,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, it felt like it had to shout out my

1121
00:53:12,040 --> 00:53:14,160
Speaker 2: favorite line and that it's also the exact same scene

1122
00:53:14,239 --> 00:53:16,760
Speaker 2: is like we're crossing the threshold, like he just blatantly

1123
00:53:16,840 --> 00:53:18,640
Speaker 2: says it. I'm like, oh, you can just say that,

1124
00:53:18,680 --> 00:53:20,319
Speaker 2: Like that's how you can like get that in front

1125
00:53:20,360 --> 00:53:22,359
Speaker 2: of that, Like he just blatly says it. As they're

1126
00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:24,719
Speaker 2: like discovering that, like the universe has now entered the

1127
00:53:24,760 --> 00:53:27,080
Speaker 2: point where he doesn't know what's gonna happen. Like I

1128
00:53:27,120 --> 00:53:29,480
Speaker 2: loved all that stuff. It's the most fun to me.

1129
00:53:29,520 --> 00:53:32,879
Speaker 2: It's like the most fun a fun show I've seen

1130
00:53:32,960 --> 00:53:35,000
Speaker 2: from Marvel. And like I think that is what the

1131
00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:36,399
Speaker 2: bar has been said at and like I think that's

1132
00:53:36,400 --> 00:53:38,759
Speaker 2: what everyone should be. Like pacing the out match like

1133
00:53:38,800 --> 00:53:40,799
Speaker 2: it had to like hit the same beats obviously, but

1134
00:53:40,920 --> 00:53:43,840
Speaker 2: like something new and weird to like keep you refreshing.

1135
00:53:43,840 --> 00:53:45,280
Speaker 2: It felt like a very it felt like a nice,

1136
00:53:45,880 --> 00:53:49,080
Speaker 2: a nice refreshing spritzer. And what in the Superhero world.

1137
00:53:49,920 --> 00:53:53,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's so the big setup is the multiverse

1138
00:53:53,239 --> 00:53:58,600
Speaker 1: exists now, and so while in the TVA era there

1139
00:53:58,800 --> 00:54:02,720
Speaker 1: was essentially one kind of big outcome that was cycling

1140
00:54:02,760 --> 00:54:05,480
Speaker 1: all the time. And while there were many, many, many

1141
00:54:06,040 --> 00:54:10,359
Speaker 1: we should assume different timelines. They weren't technically infinite because

1142
00:54:10,400 --> 00:54:13,680
Speaker 1: they were always pruning these wild timelines that diverged too

1143
00:54:13,800 --> 00:54:16,719
Speaker 1: much from the kind of central quote unquote six one

1144
00:54:16,680 --> 00:54:19,879
Speaker 1: sixth timeline. Now it's all fractured. There's stuff all over

1145
00:54:19,920 --> 00:54:23,480
Speaker 1: the place. You have like Peggy Carter as Captain America.

1146
00:54:23,600 --> 00:54:29,080
Speaker 1: You have T'shalla is is picked up by ya because yeah,

1147
00:54:29,120 --> 00:54:31,680
Speaker 1: it becomes it becomes the leader of the Guardian's Galaxy.

1148
00:54:31,680 --> 00:54:36,440
Speaker 1: There's like all these kind of true multiversal worlds now,

1149
00:54:36,520 --> 00:54:41,359
Speaker 1: and that is you mentioned it previously. It's just it's

1150
00:54:41,400 --> 00:54:45,239
Speaker 1: given Marvel like the most powerful tool that you can

1151
00:54:45,320 --> 00:54:48,279
Speaker 1: have as a storyteller, which is like we can just

1152
00:54:48,320 --> 00:54:51,720
Speaker 1: bring anything we want in from any other world. Zombies,

1153
00:54:51,760 --> 00:54:54,080
Speaker 1: we got it. Like you you want to do mutants

1154
00:54:54,080 --> 00:54:55,719
Speaker 1: this way, we can do it this way. We bring them,

1155
00:54:55,760 --> 00:54:58,360
Speaker 1: bring them right in. What about a clash of worlds

1156
00:54:58,360 --> 00:55:00,320
Speaker 1: where like two worlds actually smashed together.

1157
00:55:00,920 --> 00:55:02,880
Speaker 3: They didn't courage, they didn'courage.

1158
00:55:03,840 --> 00:55:05,400
Speaker 1: It feels like they're going to do it right because

1159
00:55:06,400 --> 00:55:09,719
Speaker 1: so Incursions is for those that don't know, is a

1160
00:55:10,040 --> 00:55:15,799
Speaker 1: sprawling Jonathan Hickman storyline about the collapse of the multiverse

1161
00:55:16,000 --> 00:55:21,440
Speaker 1: and the kind of desperate fight by a select and

1162
00:55:21,680 --> 00:55:26,320
Speaker 1: secret group of heroes on Earth to allow Earth to

1163
00:55:26,440 --> 00:55:30,480
Speaker 1: survive by destroying every other Earth that crashes into it.

1164
00:55:30,560 --> 00:55:33,600
Speaker 4: That means they're destroying entire realities of other people.

1165
00:55:34,120 --> 00:55:37,400
Speaker 1: And you know, in the in the opening uh cinematic

1166
00:55:37,800 --> 00:55:40,279
Speaker 1: of the finale of Loki, you see like these two

1167
00:55:40,400 --> 00:55:42,760
Speaker 1: worlds kind of crashing, and man if they did it, yeah.

1168
00:55:43,080 --> 00:55:45,920
Speaker 2: Oh boy, I'm I'm literally getting goose pumps right now.

1169
00:55:45,960 --> 00:55:47,759
Speaker 2: It's like that's one of my I mean, Hickman is

1170
00:55:48,080 --> 00:55:50,120
Speaker 2: a comic writing god, but like that to me is

1171
00:55:50,160 --> 00:55:52,360
Speaker 2: like one of my absolute favorite series. I hope that

1172
00:55:52,440 --> 00:55:55,040
Speaker 2: that's what the building towards, because they will have absolutely

1173
00:55:55,080 --> 00:55:58,279
Speaker 2: every single one of my sense for the next three

1174
00:55:58,320 --> 00:55:59,800
Speaker 2: phases if that's what they're building towards.

1175
00:56:00,800 --> 00:56:04,440
Speaker 1: Uh So, this series introduced the TVA, which is the

1176
00:56:04,560 --> 00:56:11,239
Speaker 1: kind of like bureaucratic governmental agency that manages the timeline

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00:56:11,360 --> 00:56:14,879
Speaker 1: this is this comes directly from the pages of Walt

1178
00:56:14,960 --> 00:56:20,800
Speaker 1: Simons's Run on Thour. Mobius was based on you know,

1179
00:56:21,040 --> 00:56:26,840
Speaker 1: beloved Marvel editor and writer Mark Grunwald, who also wrote

1180
00:56:28,160 --> 00:56:30,440
Speaker 1: a lot of the material that ended up in Fulcon

1181
00:56:30,480 --> 00:56:33,840
Speaker 1: and The Winter Soldier, and Mark as an editor, was

1182
00:56:34,000 --> 00:56:36,960
Speaker 1: known as like the lore guy. Like if if you

1183
00:56:37,040 --> 00:56:39,160
Speaker 1: were a writer, you're writing something like, hey, can I make?

1184
00:56:39,560 --> 00:56:42,480
Speaker 1: Can can I make? Like a spider man lose his job,

1185
00:56:42,640 --> 00:56:46,040
Speaker 1: and then you know, Markugo, you can't do that because like, yeah,

1186
00:56:47,520 --> 00:56:50,360
Speaker 1: fifteen years ago, Steve Ditko did this, and YadA YadA.

1187
00:56:50,239 --> 00:56:53,080
Speaker 3: Those the glue guys of the comic book world, the glue.

1188
00:56:52,840 --> 00:56:53,959
Speaker 4: Guys of the comic book world.

1189
00:56:54,239 --> 00:56:56,759
Speaker 1: And so it was a fun little homage to him

1190
00:56:56,920 --> 00:56:59,359
Speaker 1: that he then becomes Mobius in the comics, and then

1191
00:56:59,560 --> 00:57:03,520
Speaker 1: that carearacter is now on TV doing that exact same thing.

1192
00:57:03,920 --> 00:57:06,360
Speaker 1: We get the first appearance of Ravona Renslayer, who is

1193
00:57:06,800 --> 00:57:09,359
Speaker 1: in the comics a love interest of Kang. We get

1194
00:57:09,360 --> 00:57:13,040
Speaker 1: the first appearance of Sylvie, a Loki variant whose nexus

1195
00:57:13,080 --> 00:57:17,000
Speaker 1: event still remains unknown, and then of course we get Kang.

1196
00:57:17,320 --> 00:57:20,880
Speaker 1: My boy is gonna be basically like the Thanos of

1197
00:57:22,400 --> 00:57:24,760
Speaker 1: I don't know, Phase four, Like, so Thanos was the

1198
00:57:24,920 --> 00:57:28,560
Speaker 1: Thanos of Phase one, two three, So will will Kang

1199
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Speaker 1: be like four, five, six, We don't know, but like

1200
00:57:31,800 --> 00:57:33,360
Speaker 1: he's the big bad right, now.

1201
00:57:33,360 --> 00:57:35,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I mean, I mean, I don't know

1202
00:57:35,480 --> 00:57:37,160
Speaker 2: if they're how close a sticking in the comics, but

1203
00:57:37,280 --> 00:57:40,160
Speaker 2: like you know, the Fantastic Four is coming out at

1204
00:57:40,200 --> 00:57:43,080
Speaker 2: some point, Like I'm assuming he's I mean, part of

1205
00:57:43,120 --> 00:57:44,400
Speaker 2: me is just like, I mean, we're gonna have a

1206
00:57:44,440 --> 00:57:44,840
Speaker 2: black read.

1207
00:57:44,920 --> 00:57:47,480
Speaker 3: Richard's like, that's that's honestly what I what I I'm

1208
00:57:47,520 --> 00:57:47,800
Speaker 3: opening to.

1209
00:57:47,960 --> 00:57:50,200
Speaker 4: I think so like that's on the that's heavily on

1210
00:57:50,280 --> 00:57:50,560
Speaker 4: the table.

1211
00:57:50,600 --> 00:57:53,960
Speaker 3: So we should let's quickly Oh sorry, I got tunnel vision.

1212
00:57:54,920 --> 00:57:55,640
Speaker 4: We got on back it.

1213
00:57:55,760 --> 00:58:00,400
Speaker 1: So Kang So the Kang the Conqueror is actually several

1214
00:58:00,720 --> 00:58:03,640
Speaker 1: discreet characters. They're all the same person at different stages

1215
00:58:03,720 --> 00:58:05,680
Speaker 1: of this person's extremely long life.

1216
00:58:06,160 --> 00:58:07,880
Speaker 4: They were born Nathaniel.

1217
00:58:07,440 --> 00:58:11,680
Speaker 1: Richards Okay, who is read Richard's father from another timeline,

1218
00:58:12,280 --> 00:58:16,280
Speaker 1: who gets bored with how like peaceful everything is in

1219
00:58:16,400 --> 00:58:18,920
Speaker 1: his timeline. He finds a time machine. He goes off.

1220
00:58:18,960 --> 00:58:23,160
Speaker 1: He becomes the King of the Pharaoh of Egypt, and

1221
00:58:23,320 --> 00:58:27,320
Speaker 1: that's his Rama tut kind of personality. The Fantastic Four

1222
00:58:27,360 --> 00:58:30,560
Speaker 1: tussle with him there. He goes back into the timeline decides,

1223
00:58:30,600 --> 00:58:32,400
Speaker 1: you know what, like Egypt is not enough. I want

1224
00:58:32,440 --> 00:58:34,960
Speaker 1: to conquer like all of time, he becomes Kang the Conqueror.

1225
00:58:35,480 --> 00:58:39,880
Speaker 1: Now Kang the Conqueror who manages to conquer all of

1226
00:58:40,000 --> 00:58:42,400
Speaker 1: the timelines and kill all the various versions of himself

1227
00:58:42,440 --> 00:58:46,040
Speaker 1: that he doesn't like, then gets like tired and kind

1228
00:58:46,080 --> 00:58:49,440
Speaker 1: of old and becomes this character Immortis, who is more

1229
00:58:49,600 --> 00:58:53,880
Speaker 1: like a managerial type who like outsources the management of

1230
00:58:54,000 --> 00:58:57,600
Speaker 1: the timeline to like these various subcontractors, including the TVA.

1231
00:58:58,280 --> 00:59:01,560
Speaker 4: So really who we saw was immortals yea.

1232
00:59:01,840 --> 00:59:05,480
Speaker 1: But yes, as you noted, this raises the possibility that

1233
00:59:05,560 --> 00:59:08,920
Speaker 1: this character is Read Richard's dad. We could have a

1234
00:59:09,040 --> 00:59:12,640
Speaker 1: black Read Richards, which fantastic, I love it. Yeah, we could,

1235
00:59:12,720 --> 00:59:17,600
Speaker 1: And I should add that means potentially like a black

1236
00:59:17,640 --> 00:59:21,000
Speaker 1: Doctor Doom as well, because there is also the suggestion

1237
00:59:21,200 --> 00:59:23,360
Speaker 1: that like doctor Doom is.

1238
00:59:23,400 --> 00:59:27,720
Speaker 4: A variant of one of the Kang variants.

1239
00:59:28,240 --> 00:59:30,800
Speaker 2: I think he's that's a long way of us saying

1240
00:59:30,840 --> 00:59:32,680
Speaker 2: that I think he's gonna be here for a while,

1241
00:59:32,800 --> 00:59:36,040
Speaker 2: Like Jonathan Major when he's like young, you know, so

1242
00:59:36,200 --> 00:59:38,840
Speaker 2: like he his face screams, I got ten of these

1243
00:59:38,880 --> 00:59:41,480
Speaker 2: in me, So I feel like I feel like he's

1244
00:59:41,520 --> 00:59:41,880
Speaker 2: going to be.

1245
00:59:41,880 --> 00:59:42,600
Speaker 3: Here for a minute.

1246
00:59:43,120 --> 00:59:45,360
Speaker 1: And none of this works, by the way, if he's not, yeah,

1247
00:59:45,640 --> 00:59:49,280
Speaker 1: like go like putting up like fifty points, twenty rebounds

1248
00:59:49,360 --> 00:59:53,640
Speaker 1: and twenty assists. Yeah, like it in forty eight minutes

1249
00:59:53,800 --> 00:59:58,080
Speaker 1: of like like he just like absolutely destroyed it. I'm

1250
00:59:58,120 --> 01:00:01,080
Speaker 1: really excited. And I will say that you know, I

1251
01:00:01,200 --> 01:00:04,760
Speaker 1: was talking with our producer Chris before this, and you know,

1252
01:00:05,720 --> 01:00:09,200
Speaker 1: there is that there was a little bit he was

1253
01:00:09,960 --> 01:00:13,640
Speaker 1: expressing a little bit of like feeling of dissatisfaction because

1254
01:00:13,640 --> 01:00:16,600
Speaker 1: it's like it's it's a it doesn't close, like it

1255
01:00:16,720 --> 01:00:19,160
Speaker 1: keeps going like there's this is like really this is

1256
01:00:19,240 --> 01:00:21,840
Speaker 1: like the one shot before Secret Wars, like the Road

1257
01:00:21,880 --> 01:00:25,400
Speaker 1: to Secret Wars of comic book. But I guess you

1258
01:00:25,480 --> 01:00:28,080
Speaker 1: know this is just again like you you laid out

1259
01:00:28,080 --> 01:00:30,680
Speaker 1: your bias a layout mine. I'm a lifelong comic book

1260
01:00:30,760 --> 01:00:33,080
Speaker 1: fan at whose brain has been melted by all of

1261
01:00:33,160 --> 01:00:36,080
Speaker 1: this stuff for years and years and years. It that

1262
01:00:36,280 --> 01:00:38,240
Speaker 1: is just like a storytelling format that makes a lot

1263
01:00:38,280 --> 01:00:40,200
Speaker 1: of sense to me. That is like, oh, yeah, of

1264
01:00:40,240 --> 01:00:42,400
Speaker 1: course it doesn't end here. Like we I turned the page,

1265
01:00:42,640 --> 01:00:45,120
Speaker 1: they're on the last page. The person rips off the

1266
01:00:45,160 --> 01:00:47,720
Speaker 1: hood and it's kang or it's Ultron or it's whoever,

1267
01:00:48,040 --> 01:00:49,120
Speaker 1: and now it's like, well I.

1268
01:00:49,160 --> 01:00:50,720
Speaker 2: Go, now I gotta buy like yeah, and then you

1269
01:00:50,760 --> 01:00:54,400
Speaker 2: see like check out King continues and Masters of the

1270
01:00:54,480 --> 01:00:55,800
Speaker 2: Universe numbers tventy four or whatever.

1271
01:00:55,920 --> 01:01:02,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm excited about that. Welcome to the Omnibus. This

1272
01:01:02,640 --> 01:01:07,440
Speaker 1: is the segment where I will give us some historical contexts,

1273
01:01:07,680 --> 01:01:11,520
Speaker 1: some pop cultural context to the subjects that we are

1274
01:01:11,960 --> 01:01:15,760
Speaker 1: discussing during the episode. And for this episode, let's talk

1275
01:01:15,800 --> 01:01:19,600
Speaker 1: about Loki's history, both as a comic book character and

1276
01:01:19,920 --> 01:01:23,200
Speaker 1: as a figure in Norse myth. Loki on Disney Plus

1277
01:01:23,360 --> 01:01:26,360
Speaker 1: represents the continuation of a tale that has existed in

1278
01:01:26,480 --> 01:01:30,520
Speaker 1: popular storytelling traditions for over a thousand years, which is

1279
01:01:30,640 --> 01:01:35,080
Speaker 1: incredibly cool, right. That's a super super wild that we

1280
01:01:35,280 --> 01:01:38,120
Speaker 1: have currently in our pop culture, a character who has

1281
01:01:38,400 --> 01:01:42,200
Speaker 1: just been running around for over a millennium. So, as

1282
01:01:42,240 --> 01:01:46,400
Speaker 1: we think about Loki's evolution from bad guy to antihero

1283
01:01:46,640 --> 01:01:49,960
Speaker 1: and to perhaps by the time Phase four really gets

1284
01:01:50,040 --> 01:01:52,520
Speaker 1: going a flat out good guy, we should remember that

1285
01:01:52,640 --> 01:01:56,640
Speaker 1: the beginning of this tale isn't twenty eleven's four or

1286
01:01:56,760 --> 01:02:00,120
Speaker 1: even nineteen sixty two's Journey into Mystery. Eighty five of

1287
01:02:00,680 --> 01:02:04,080
Speaker 1: his official marvel debut. It begins with poems composed as

1288
01:02:04,160 --> 01:02:08,360
Speaker 1: far back as the mid eight hundred's AD. The events

1289
01:02:08,360 --> 01:02:11,400
Speaker 1: of Thor, The Dark World, Thor, Ragnarok, and Infinity War

1290
01:02:11,560 --> 01:02:14,640
Speaker 1: established that Loki is capable of evolving for the better.

1291
01:02:15,320 --> 01:02:17,720
Speaker 1: But of course, the Loki of this show is not

1292
01:02:18,680 --> 01:02:23,640
Speaker 1: that Loki, As the events of Loki on Disney Plus

1293
01:02:23,720 --> 01:02:26,920
Speaker 1: have shown us, the multiverse exists, and there are various

1294
01:02:27,000 --> 01:02:30,400
Speaker 1: versions of the characters that we know and love inhabiting

1295
01:02:30,440 --> 01:02:34,680
Speaker 1: those various worlds. This Loki hasn't experienced his mother Frigga's

1296
01:02:34,680 --> 01:02:36,760
Speaker 1: death at the hands of Malachith and the Dark Elves.

1297
01:02:36,800 --> 01:02:40,000
Speaker 1: He never experienced the death of his father Odin fighting

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Speaker 1: side by side with his brother against Hella. He hasn't

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Speaker 1: witnessed the destruction of Asgard by Serder, or the scattering

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Speaker 1: of the Asgardian people, their near destruction at the hands

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01:02:49,200 --> 01:02:51,720
Speaker 1: of Thanos, nor his own death by the hands of

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01:02:51,800 --> 01:02:54,960
Speaker 1: that man Titan. Making a hero out of this Loki

1303
01:02:55,240 --> 01:02:59,400
Speaker 1: is or was an audacious task. Marvel's The Avengers is

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01:02:59,480 --> 01:03:01,640
Speaker 1: nearly a deck old now, so you'd be forgiven for

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01:03:01,760 --> 01:03:05,600
Speaker 1: forgetting how evil Loki, charmingly portrayed by Tom Hittleston is

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01:03:05,840 --> 01:03:10,240
Speaker 1: in that film. He commits roughly a half dozen murderers,

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01:03:10,320 --> 01:03:12,360
Speaker 1: give or take within the first few minutes of appearing

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01:03:12,400 --> 01:03:16,760
Speaker 1: on screen. And when Loki takes Hostages and Stuttgart, a

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01:03:16,880 --> 01:03:18,720
Speaker 1: German Man who is old enough to have lived through

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01:03:18,720 --> 01:03:22,600
Speaker 1: World War two compares Loki to Hitler. So basically a

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01:03:22,640 --> 01:03:27,480
Speaker 1: guy stands up and says, from my personal experience with Hitler,

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01:03:28,200 --> 01:03:29,280
Speaker 1: you are Hitler.

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Speaker 4: In that film.

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Speaker 1: Loki then straight up stabs Phil Colson in the back

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Speaker 1: and okay, he didn't die then, as Agents of Shields

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01:03:39,080 --> 01:03:41,760
Speaker 1: fans know. And of course the last half hour of

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01:03:41,800 --> 01:03:45,040
Speaker 1: the Avengers movie is an extended reference to nine to eleven,

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01:03:45,280 --> 01:03:49,560
Speaker 1: with various buildings in Manhattan getting destroyed once again. The Avengers,

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01:03:49,600 --> 01:03:52,320
Speaker 1: which pulled in a billion and a half dollars, compares

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01:03:52,400 --> 01:03:55,680
Speaker 1: Loki to Hitler and bin Laden. And now we watched

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01:03:55,800 --> 01:03:58,480
Speaker 1: Loki in Loki's very own show, and we're like, yeah,

1322
01:03:58,520 --> 01:04:02,680
Speaker 1: this guy's great, we like him, he's hero ps. Somehow,

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01:04:02,760 --> 01:04:05,920
Speaker 1: only seventy four people were killed during Loki's Tritari invasion.

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01:04:06,040 --> 01:04:09,200
Speaker 1: Per Colonel Thunderbolt Ross's briefing in Captain America Civil War.

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Speaker 1: That is hard to believe, but shouts the Avengers. They

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01:04:13,840 --> 01:04:18,520
Speaker 1: obviously did an incredible job. Loki, the show with less runway,

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01:04:18,640 --> 01:04:23,080
Speaker 1: sparks this turn from villain to hero or at least

1328
01:04:23,120 --> 01:04:27,680
Speaker 1: anti hero, by returning Loki to his folk mythology roots.

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01:04:28,120 --> 01:04:31,120
Speaker 1: The Loki of Norse mythology is a trickster, a prankster

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01:04:31,320 --> 01:04:35,560
Speaker 1: who galvanizes the gods with his scheming, criticizes and sometimes

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01:04:35,640 --> 01:04:37,560
Speaker 1: mocks them with his words, and who is as much

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01:04:37,600 --> 01:04:41,680
Speaker 1: a force for progress and renewal as destruction. The Asgardians

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01:04:41,720 --> 01:04:45,160
Speaker 1: of Marvel comics and films, including Odin Frigga Thorn, Loki

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01:04:45,680 --> 01:04:48,720
Speaker 1: come to us from Norse mythology, the pre Christian belief

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01:04:48,760 --> 01:04:51,800
Speaker 1: system of the North Germanic peoples who came from Scandinavia

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Speaker 1: between the ninth and eleventh centuries a day, including the

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01:04:55,240 --> 01:04:57,920
Speaker 1: famed raiders who we all know known as the Vikings.

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01:04:59,080 --> 01:05:03,160
Speaker 1: Loki's historic origins are mysterious. The definitive source of the

1339
01:05:03,240 --> 01:05:07,560
Speaker 1: name Loki is elusive, but recent etymological research showing that

1340
01:05:07,720 --> 01:05:10,760
Speaker 1: Loki in medieval Iceland was used interchangeably with the old

1341
01:05:10,880 --> 01:05:14,400
Speaker 1: word for not seems to suggest that the meaning of

1342
01:05:14,480 --> 01:05:18,200
Speaker 1: Loki's name was not or tangle. This theory would seem

1343
01:05:18,200 --> 01:05:20,520
Speaker 1: to fit with Loki's role in Norse myth as the

1344
01:05:20,640 --> 01:05:25,520
Speaker 1: inventor of fishnets. A fascinating commonality of the trickster god

1345
01:05:25,640 --> 01:05:27,960
Speaker 1: myths from around the world is their link to fishing.

1346
01:05:28,520 --> 01:05:31,640
Speaker 1: In many Native American creation stories, it's the coyote who

1347
01:05:31,720 --> 01:05:34,640
Speaker 1: teaches humans how to catch salmon by making traps out

1348
01:05:34,680 --> 01:05:37,880
Speaker 1: of logs and branches. The raven in North Pacific Coast

1349
01:05:37,960 --> 01:05:41,000
Speaker 1: mythology created the fish hook and taught humans and spiders

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01:05:41,520 --> 01:05:44,400
Speaker 1: how to craft nets. As Lewis Hyde notes in his

1351
01:05:44,480 --> 01:05:48,440
Speaker 1: overview of the Trickster archetype, trickster makes this world quote

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01:05:48,880 --> 01:05:50,880
Speaker 1: east and west, north and south. This is the oldest

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01:05:50,880 --> 01:05:53,240
Speaker 1: trick in the book. No trickster has ever been credited

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01:05:53,320 --> 01:05:57,000
Speaker 1: with inventing the potato peeler, the gas meter, or tuning fork,

1355
01:05:57,440 --> 01:06:00,480
Speaker 1: but trickster invents the fish trap. What we know of

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01:06:00,560 --> 01:06:03,680
Speaker 1: Norse mythology comes from the prose Eda and the poetic Eta.

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01:06:04,200 --> 01:06:06,160
Speaker 1: The first is a collection of Norse poems that were

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01:06:06,200 --> 01:06:09,800
Speaker 1: compiled and probably to some extent written or adapted by

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01:06:09,880 --> 01:06:13,400
Speaker 1: an Icelandic politician, lawmaker, and history nerd with the delightful

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01:06:13,480 --> 01:06:19,840
Speaker 1: name Snorri Stirlerson Snorri Sturlison in or around the year

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01:06:19,920 --> 01:06:23,320
Speaker 1: twelve twenty. The second is a collection of Icelandic poems. However,

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01:06:23,720 --> 01:06:28,000
Speaker 1: these are of unknown authorship. The prose Eda is thought

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01:06:28,040 --> 01:06:31,720
Speaker 1: to contain the oldest Norse poems, some possibly dating back

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01:06:31,760 --> 01:06:35,800
Speaker 1: to before the tenth century. Loki is nowhere to be

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01:06:35,880 --> 01:06:39,480
Speaker 1: found in two of the oldest sources in the poetic Eda. Likewise,

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01:06:40,360 --> 01:06:44,240
Speaker 1: Loki is absent from the early thirteenth century historian Saxo

1367
01:06:44,360 --> 01:06:49,760
Speaker 1: Grammaticus's work Deeds of the Danes, which extensively discusses Norse mythology.

1368
01:06:50,280 --> 01:06:54,640
Speaker 1: Historian Emma Grunfeld writes on worldhistory dot Org that quote

1369
01:06:55,120 --> 01:06:57,840
Speaker 1: this might indicate that Loki was more of a regional feature,

1370
01:06:57,920 --> 01:07:01,840
Speaker 1: rather than being omnipresent throughout the Germanic world. Indeed, sources

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01:07:01,880 --> 01:07:04,480
Speaker 1: on Loki are limited to the northern Germanic regions, and

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01:07:04,520 --> 01:07:08,440
Speaker 1: Loki himself has no direct parallel in broader Germanic mythology.

1373
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Speaker 1: In other words, Loki might be, I don't know, like

1374
01:07:13,280 --> 01:07:16,840
Speaker 1: puetine or something like that, a local delicacy, but one

1375
01:07:16,920 --> 01:07:22,000
Speaker 1: that is renowned. Loki's role within Norse mythology is likewise unique.

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01:07:22,040 --> 01:07:24,000
Speaker 4: He is a trickster. He's fond of pranks.

1377
01:07:24,000 --> 01:07:28,640
Speaker 1: He creates mischief by reacting creatively to happenstance and fate.

1378
01:07:29,240 --> 01:07:32,400
Speaker 1: Not a hero, he's also not necessarily a bad guy.

1379
01:07:32,520 --> 01:07:35,320
Speaker 1: He is a foil, a kind of arch nemesis for

1380
01:07:35,360 --> 01:07:38,040
Speaker 1: the Norse gods and a reason for them to use

1381
01:07:38,160 --> 01:07:41,360
Speaker 1: their godly powers. He plays, of course, a similar role

1382
01:07:41,400 --> 01:07:43,840
Speaker 1: in the MCU, providing the catalyst for the avengers to

1383
01:07:44,040 --> 01:07:47,320
Speaker 1: assemble sometimes though the gods need to be taken down

1384
01:07:47,360 --> 01:07:51,000
Speaker 1: a peg. Loki plays a subversive role in this belief

1385
01:07:51,080 --> 01:07:54,240
Speaker 1: system by openly criticizing, even mocking, the gods for their

1386
01:07:54,320 --> 01:07:58,600
Speaker 1: various indiscretions, their moral failings, in their hypocrisies. He's able

1387
01:07:58,680 --> 01:08:01,160
Speaker 1: to criticize in part because of his essential nature, the

1388
01:08:01,280 --> 01:08:04,240
Speaker 1: child of a yotan, a giant, the enemies of the gods.

1389
01:08:04,840 --> 01:08:07,880
Speaker 1: As part god and part giant, yet belonged to neither culture,

1390
01:08:08,000 --> 01:08:10,840
Speaker 1: Loki acts as a bridge, a point of convergence between

1391
01:08:10,880 --> 01:08:14,200
Speaker 1: two opposite and opposing worldviews. Loki is what happens when

1392
01:08:14,240 --> 01:08:17,120
Speaker 1: someone is made to feel that they don't belong. In

1393
01:08:17,240 --> 01:08:19,360
Speaker 1: the prose Etta, when Loki, after making a promise to

1394
01:08:19,439 --> 01:08:23,400
Speaker 1: a giant disguised as an eagle lures Eden, the keeper

1395
01:08:23,479 --> 01:08:26,040
Speaker 1: of the Fruits of Immortality, out of Asgard. The gods

1396
01:08:26,080 --> 01:08:28,519
Speaker 1: begin to age and their power is going to decline.

1397
01:08:28,960 --> 01:08:31,680
Speaker 1: But before the gods pass away Grain wrinkled, bringing it

1398
01:08:31,760 --> 01:08:35,479
Speaker 1: into the entire world. Loki rescues Eden and turns her

1399
01:08:35,520 --> 01:08:37,639
Speaker 1: to as God, repairing the problem. And this is kind

1400
01:08:37,640 --> 01:08:40,040
Speaker 1: of like the essence of Loki's particular brand of mischief.

1401
01:08:40,439 --> 01:08:45,280
Speaker 1: He creates traps which can often threaten existence itself. He

1402
01:08:45,439 --> 01:08:48,880
Speaker 1: then falls into the trap that he created, and then

1403
01:08:48,920 --> 01:08:52,160
Speaker 1: he solves them before too much harm is done. As

1404
01:08:52,240 --> 01:08:54,800
Speaker 1: Lewis Hyde points out and his book Trickster Makes This World,

1405
01:08:55,400 --> 01:08:58,000
Speaker 1: despite the fact that Loki managed to avert his self

1406
01:08:58,080 --> 01:09:02,720
Speaker 1: made crises, they quote nonetheless indicate Loki's potential as a

1407
01:09:02,800 --> 01:09:06,320
Speaker 1: cataclysmic change agent. We should do well to remember this,

1408
01:09:06,439 --> 01:09:09,280
Speaker 1: as Loki is basically a good guy now, but he

1409
01:09:09,800 --> 01:09:13,519
Speaker 1: always retains this potential to blow up everything we know.

1410
01:09:14,200 --> 01:09:17,480
Speaker 1: Many researchers have noted that the Loki of Snorri Stirlison's

1411
01:09:17,520 --> 01:09:19,840
Speaker 1: prose Eta is more evil than his depiction in the

1412
01:09:19,880 --> 01:09:23,280
Speaker 1: poetic Eta. Snorri, a learned man of his time, was

1413
01:09:23,320 --> 01:09:26,120
Speaker 1: a Christian, and his ata strives to bring the Norse

1414
01:09:26,200 --> 01:09:28,880
Speaker 1: myths into the context of a world in which Christianity

1415
01:09:29,080 --> 01:09:32,439
Speaker 1: is the one true religion. There's nobody in the Christian

1416
01:09:32,520 --> 01:09:34,800
Speaker 1: canon that really goes out of their way to roast

1417
01:09:35,080 --> 01:09:37,800
Speaker 1: Jesus Christ in the way that Loki roast Thor and

1418
01:09:37,960 --> 01:09:41,479
Speaker 1: Odin in the Norse poems. Snorri's Loki becomes then Loki

1419
01:09:41,560 --> 01:09:44,439
Speaker 1: the Liar, a stand in for the Antichrist in the

1420
01:09:44,520 --> 01:09:49,160
Speaker 1: prose at A, Loki fulfills his apocalyptic potential by murdering Balder.

1421
01:09:49,280 --> 01:09:53,400
Speaker 1: The brave Balder, the beloved son of Odin, the pure

1422
01:09:53,439 --> 01:09:55,719
Speaker 1: and good God of Light, the son of Odin and Friga,

1423
01:09:55,800 --> 01:09:59,000
Speaker 1: and the brother of Thor. Balder is handsome and heroic

1424
01:09:59,160 --> 01:10:02,120
Speaker 1: and bright, And one day Balder wakes up haunted by

1425
01:10:02,200 --> 01:10:04,920
Speaker 1: dreams that he will come to harm. He shares these

1426
01:10:05,000 --> 01:10:08,959
Speaker 1: fears with his mother and alarmed Frigure then travels everywhere

1427
01:10:09,479 --> 01:10:15,799
Speaker 1: across the heavens and the earths to ask literally everything, animals, humans, rocks, water, air, everything,

1428
01:10:16,120 --> 01:10:19,040
Speaker 1: to swear not to harm her son Balder. Once these

1429
01:10:19,120 --> 01:10:22,200
Speaker 1: promises are extracted, the gods have a party where they

1430
01:10:22,320 --> 01:10:25,320
Speaker 1: hurl various things at Balder and watch with delight as

1431
01:10:25,560 --> 01:10:29,559
Speaker 1: each projectile falls harmlessly at his feet, and Loki watches

1432
01:10:29,600 --> 01:10:30,639
Speaker 1: this and he's annoyed.

1433
01:10:30,680 --> 01:10:31,160
Speaker 4: He hates it.

1434
01:10:31,520 --> 01:10:35,840
Speaker 1: It infuriates him, which I find quite relatable. Right, Balder

1435
01:10:36,000 --> 01:10:42,760
Speaker 1: is this beautiful, powerful god. He is now totally invulnerable

1436
01:10:42,880 --> 01:10:46,240
Speaker 1: because his mother couldn't bear the thought of any harm

1437
01:10:46,439 --> 01:10:49,360
Speaker 1: possibly coming to him, And Loki is like, this guy

1438
01:10:49,400 --> 01:10:51,080
Speaker 1: has everything, and now he has this too.

1439
01:10:51,680 --> 01:10:52,679
Speaker 4: Ah but wait.

1440
01:10:53,960 --> 01:10:58,960
Speaker 1: Driven by this annoyance and curiosity, Loki, disguised as an

1441
01:10:59,000 --> 01:11:01,800
Speaker 1: old woman, chats with again discovers that Friga cut a

1442
01:11:01,880 --> 01:11:05,639
Speaker 1: corner she didn't get an oath from a certain species

1443
01:11:05,680 --> 01:11:08,240
Speaker 1: of bush which attaches itself to trees and retains its

1444
01:11:08,280 --> 01:11:12,000
Speaker 1: green throughout the winter, called mistletoe. Loki runs off and

1445
01:11:12,040 --> 01:11:14,479
Speaker 1: finds some. He makes a little dart out of a

1446
01:11:14,520 --> 01:11:18,040
Speaker 1: sprig of mistletoe and convinces the god Hod to throw

1447
01:11:18,080 --> 01:11:20,000
Speaker 1: it at Balder, and Hod does and baldered eyes.

1448
01:11:20,600 --> 01:11:21,080
Speaker 4: A lot of.

1449
01:11:21,439 --> 01:11:25,639
Speaker 1: Terrible things happen after this, including the gods in their wrath,

1450
01:11:25,880 --> 01:11:29,880
Speaker 1: tying up Loki with one of his children's intestines, which

1451
01:11:30,000 --> 01:11:33,680
Speaker 1: is aggressive, and eventually Ragnarok. Of course, the death of

1452
01:11:33,720 --> 01:11:36,040
Speaker 1: the gods followed in good time by the rebirth of

1453
01:11:36,160 --> 01:11:39,840
Speaker 1: the world. Marvel's decision to clothe Loki in green ever

1454
01:11:39,920 --> 01:11:42,360
Speaker 1: since his debut in nineteen sixty two is probably a

1455
01:11:42,479 --> 01:11:45,519
Speaker 1: function of the limited color palette available at the time

1456
01:11:46,160 --> 01:11:48,519
Speaker 1: of his debut and journey into Mystery number eighty five,

1457
01:11:49,080 --> 01:11:51,479
Speaker 1: But whether by accident or not, the color was the

1458
01:11:51,560 --> 01:11:55,000
Speaker 1: perfect choice. Green evokes jealousy, one of the defining traits

1459
01:11:55,040 --> 01:11:59,560
Speaker 1: of Marvel's Loki's always annoyed at how bloved Thor is.

1460
01:12:00,280 --> 01:12:03,599
Speaker 1: But on a deeper mythical level, the color calls back

1461
01:12:03,640 --> 01:12:06,719
Speaker 1: to Loki's most infamous weapon, the missletoe. Just as Loki

1462
01:12:07,000 --> 01:12:10,160
Speaker 1: is the bridge linking the gods and the giants, missletoe

1463
01:12:10,280 --> 01:12:14,000
Speaker 1: and evergreen links summer and winter, growth and desolation, life

1464
01:12:14,040 --> 01:12:14,360
Speaker 1: and death.

1465
01:12:22,280 --> 01:12:22,840
Speaker 4: Welcome to the.

1466
01:12:22,880 --> 01:12:25,439
Speaker 1: Hive Mind, our panel segment where we bring in some

1467
01:12:25,560 --> 01:12:29,240
Speaker 1: special guests to discuss a particular subject from this conversation

1468
01:12:29,760 --> 01:12:32,519
Speaker 1: now so that we can dive deeper into the worlds

1469
01:12:32,560 --> 01:12:36,400
Speaker 1: of Phase four and other places and other universes. Export

1470
01:12:36,439 --> 01:12:39,040
Speaker 1: Vision welcomes its very first guest panelist for turning from

1471
01:12:39,080 --> 01:12:42,360
Speaker 1: a recent visit to the void. He is my variant

1472
01:12:42,479 --> 01:12:47,160
Speaker 1: from the Greek multiverse. The co host of How did

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01:12:47,200 --> 01:12:50,599
Speaker 1: This get made? Please welcome Jason Manzucas. Jason's great to say,

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Speaker 1: let's do.

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01:12:53,640 --> 01:12:54,519
Speaker 2: This, do this.

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01:12:55,680 --> 01:12:58,240
Speaker 1: I last saw you on the dough Boys twenty four

1477
01:12:58,360 --> 01:13:02,120
Speaker 1: hour stream in which I showed feet and we broke

1478
01:13:02,800 --> 01:13:05,160
Speaker 1: and we broke their their payment platform.

1479
01:13:05,240 --> 01:13:07,519
Speaker 6: But they had a they had a they were raising

1480
01:13:07,600 --> 01:13:08,439
Speaker 6: money for charity.

1481
01:13:08,560 --> 01:13:13,200
Speaker 5: We went on together and we we demanded that the

1482
01:13:13,280 --> 01:13:16,600
Speaker 5: audience give money so much and they they listened and

1483
01:13:16,720 --> 01:13:17,880
Speaker 5: they they they did it.

1484
01:13:18,200 --> 01:13:21,280
Speaker 6: They they contributed in such large amounts they crashed the

1485
01:13:21,400 --> 01:13:24,120
Speaker 6: PayPal system for that charity fundraiser.

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01:13:24,160 --> 01:13:24,639
Speaker 3: It was awesome.

1487
01:13:24,680 --> 01:13:27,559
Speaker 6: It was an amazing and we raised so much money.

1488
01:13:27,720 --> 01:13:28,920
Speaker 6: You showed your feet I did.

1489
01:13:29,640 --> 01:13:30,920
Speaker 1: Those are out there if you want to if you

1490
01:13:30,920 --> 01:13:31,599
Speaker 1: want to see him.

1491
01:13:31,840 --> 01:13:33,160
Speaker 6: Feet, they're on Wiki Feet.

1492
01:13:33,439 --> 01:13:34,000
Speaker 3: Check it out.

1493
01:13:34,200 --> 01:13:35,320
Speaker 6: You've all got a subscription.

1494
01:13:36,120 --> 01:13:38,559
Speaker 1: So the thing I wanted to talk to y'all about

1495
01:13:38,640 --> 01:13:41,840
Speaker 1: today is has is is what we are seeing in

1496
01:13:41,920 --> 01:13:46,960
Speaker 1: these Disney Plus shows a kind of uh new kind

1497
01:13:47,040 --> 01:13:50,400
Speaker 1: of storytelling. So in the finale of Loki, the final

1498
01:13:50,479 --> 01:13:53,000
Speaker 1: thirty minutes is the introduction of this character Kang slash

1499
01:13:53,120 --> 01:13:54,400
Speaker 1: Mortis slash whoever.

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01:13:55,000 --> 01:13:57,680
Speaker 4: They don't tell you even the character's.

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01:13:57,320 --> 01:14:01,200
Speaker 1: Name, tell you basically nothing about him, accept some exposition

1502
01:14:01,240 --> 01:14:03,960
Speaker 1: about how he came to be in this place, and

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01:14:04,400 --> 01:14:09,479
Speaker 1: it's and much like the way Thanos was introduced at

1504
01:14:09,520 --> 01:14:12,160
Speaker 1: the end of Marvel's The Avengers, where it was just like,

1505
01:14:12,240 --> 01:14:16,920
Speaker 1: who's that Loki the finale just kind of said, here's

1506
01:14:16,960 --> 01:14:19,040
Speaker 1: this character. If you want to know more about him,

1507
01:14:19,080 --> 01:14:23,439
Speaker 1: please ask your nerd friends, or read like screen rants

1508
01:14:23,880 --> 01:14:27,439
Speaker 1: easter eggs you didn't notice from Loki's finale, or go

1509
01:14:27,720 --> 01:14:30,840
Speaker 1: on YouTube and watch any number of YouTube explainers, or

1510
01:14:30,920 --> 01:14:33,600
Speaker 1: go on wherever you get your podcasts and listen to

1511
01:14:33,680 --> 01:14:34,320
Speaker 1: this podcast.

1512
01:14:34,840 --> 01:14:36,479
Speaker 4: People will explain it to you. We're not going to

1513
01:14:36,560 --> 01:14:36,720
Speaker 4: do that.

1514
01:14:36,880 --> 01:14:39,479
Speaker 1: We understand that, and we're just going to get on

1515
01:14:39,600 --> 01:14:44,560
Speaker 1: with the show. That was like a wild move and

1516
01:14:44,720 --> 01:14:46,360
Speaker 1: flex to me, and it worked.

1517
01:14:46,560 --> 01:14:49,280
Speaker 5: Yo. When you consider I mean to me, it is

1518
01:14:49,400 --> 01:14:51,519
Speaker 5: absolutely bananas. And I think we talked about this on

1519
01:14:51,600 --> 01:14:55,000
Speaker 5: a text chain we're on, Jason, It's absolutely bananas to me.

1520
01:14:55,080 --> 01:14:58,520
Speaker 5: That one of the most significant moves, yeah, in the MCU,

1521
01:14:59,040 --> 01:15:04,160
Speaker 5: which is one of the largest, most significant, like IP

1522
01:15:04,960 --> 01:15:11,400
Speaker 5: kind of existing franchise monoliths like the MCU is so

1523
01:15:11,600 --> 01:15:14,719
Speaker 5: big and so important and so significant and so woven

1524
01:15:14,760 --> 01:15:17,320
Speaker 5: into the fabric of pop culture at this point that

1525
01:15:17,520 --> 01:15:23,000
Speaker 5: they made a move that is so titanically significant and

1526
01:15:23,160 --> 01:15:27,400
Speaker 5: they made it in episode six and he'son one of

1527
01:15:27,560 --> 01:15:33,840
Speaker 5: the TV show Like that is absolute lunacy. And it's

1528
01:15:33,960 --> 01:15:36,960
Speaker 5: so exciting to me because I feel like we were

1529
01:15:37,000 --> 01:15:39,599
Speaker 5: talking about this. There was a lot of like inside

1530
01:15:39,680 --> 01:15:45,520
Speaker 5: of the conversations around Wanda Vision, a lot of conversations

1531
01:15:45,560 --> 01:15:48,479
Speaker 5: about like, oh, is Nightmare going to show up? Or

1532
01:15:48,680 --> 01:15:52,479
Speaker 5: is this person, yeah, Mephisto going to show up or

1533
01:15:52,520 --> 01:15:56,479
Speaker 5: any of these like big kind of really villains of

1534
01:15:56,600 --> 01:15:56,960
Speaker 5: that of.

1535
01:15:57,040 --> 01:15:58,920
Speaker 6: The magic world? Are they going to show up in that?

1536
01:15:59,479 --> 01:16:01,200
Speaker 5: And I feel like they really kind of gave us

1537
01:16:01,200 --> 01:16:03,639
Speaker 5: a good example of like, oh no, that's not happening,

1538
01:16:03,720 --> 01:16:04,799
Speaker 5: this is the TV shows.

1539
01:16:04,800 --> 01:16:06,200
Speaker 6: And then they did it.

1540
01:16:06,479 --> 01:16:11,680
Speaker 5: It was almost like they lulled us security because to

1541
01:16:12,000 --> 01:16:15,800
Speaker 5: put to put Kang in not just any because you say,

1542
01:16:16,400 --> 01:16:20,200
Speaker 5: you know, like yes, the fan of teaser is just that,

1543
01:16:20,400 --> 01:16:23,400
Speaker 5: it's like a post credit to teaser.

1544
01:16:23,880 --> 01:16:24,880
Speaker 4: This is you.

1545
01:16:25,120 --> 01:16:28,760
Speaker 5: They give Jonathan Majors a like thirty minutes and just

1546
01:16:28,800 --> 01:16:30,640
Speaker 5: are like, Okay, go do it.

1547
01:16:31,960 --> 01:16:32,240
Speaker 1: And he.

1548
01:16:35,280 --> 01:16:37,240
Speaker 6: It was electric to watch him.

1549
01:16:37,439 --> 01:16:40,920
Speaker 5: It was so exciting and I say that as a fan,

1550
01:16:41,200 --> 01:16:43,240
Speaker 5: you know, as a fan of Kang and as a

1551
01:16:43,320 --> 01:16:45,320
Speaker 5: fan of this kind of storytelling and all of that.

1552
01:16:45,680 --> 01:16:48,000
Speaker 5: But even still I was like, even to me, I

1553
01:16:48,120 --> 01:16:51,439
Speaker 5: was like, I cannot believe they're doing this. I cannot

1554
01:16:51,479 --> 01:16:54,160
Speaker 5: believe this. This is exciting that.

1555
01:16:54,240 --> 01:16:59,519
Speaker 6: They're doing such a huge move buried into this TV show.

1556
01:17:00,160 --> 01:17:02,880
Speaker 2: It works because like my mom knows who Thanos is.

1557
01:17:03,040 --> 01:17:06,360
Speaker 2: Like my sixty three year old black Southern mom from

1558
01:17:06,360 --> 01:17:10,000
Speaker 2: North Kronta knows what the Infinity gyms are strictly because

1559
01:17:10,320 --> 01:17:12,880
Speaker 2: of Marvel. So like the fact that like, like you know,

1560
01:17:13,120 --> 01:17:14,680
Speaker 2: parents are like two years behind. So the fact in

1561
01:17:14,720 --> 01:17:16,519
Speaker 2: two years she can be like that Kang fella is

1562
01:17:16,600 --> 01:17:19,000
Speaker 2: so handsome like that is a mind boggling to me.

1563
01:17:19,120 --> 01:17:21,640
Speaker 2: But speaking to Jason's point, I think another thing that

1564
01:17:21,640 --> 01:17:23,559
Speaker 2: they've really cracked, that Marvel is cracked is like they

1565
01:17:23,640 --> 01:17:26,400
Speaker 2: have a viewer to comic book reader pipeline now just

1566
01:17:26,479 --> 01:17:28,439
Speaker 2: like piped in, Like you're saying, like you wake up,

1567
01:17:28,479 --> 01:17:30,320
Speaker 2: you see the thing on comic book resources, you see

1568
01:17:30,320 --> 01:17:33,000
Speaker 2: the tweets on whatever, like you read these top five

1569
01:17:33,080 --> 01:17:34,960
Speaker 2: issues to see what prayings go about to crack them

1570
01:17:34,960 --> 01:17:37,559
Speaker 2: wide open, like and now like you're gonna go download

1571
01:17:37,600 --> 01:17:39,400
Speaker 2: the app, or you're gonna go to Comicxology and like

1572
01:17:39,400 --> 01:17:41,479
Speaker 2: you're gonna buy them because they're always like half off

1573
01:17:41,520 --> 01:17:44,200
Speaker 2: because no one's reading Kane comics until like he appears.

1574
01:17:44,200 --> 01:17:46,760
Speaker 2: So like you're you're just like building like this, Like

1575
01:17:46,800 --> 01:17:48,880
Speaker 2: it's like an an infinite energy machine. Like you're just

1576
01:17:48,920 --> 01:17:51,560
Speaker 2: building like fans by putting like weird swings like this

1577
01:17:51,680 --> 01:17:53,360
Speaker 2: in the TV shows, and like, I personally love it

1578
01:17:53,400 --> 01:17:55,800
Speaker 2: because like I'm a huge nerd for life, and I

1579
01:17:55,880 --> 01:17:57,920
Speaker 2: love that there are more being fucking sucked into it.

1580
01:17:57,960 --> 01:18:00,000
Speaker 2: So I'm like I'm like star, like I'm throwing out

1581
01:18:00,080 --> 01:18:02,479
Speaker 2: like more little mini nerds to them Adam to Mike Lex.

1582
01:18:03,640 --> 01:18:06,439
Speaker 6: Just shooting them out of your out of your Yeah, yeah,

1583
01:18:08,240 --> 01:18:08,719
Speaker 6: that's why.

1584
01:18:08,560 --> 01:18:08,800
Speaker 3: I got this.

1585
01:18:10,640 --> 01:18:14,200
Speaker 1: It really does feel like a new potentially a new

1586
01:18:14,280 --> 01:18:16,760
Speaker 1: kind of format because Okay, you mentioned like that the

1587
01:18:16,960 --> 01:18:19,160
Speaker 1: previous shows like Lulled Us to Sleep a little bit,

1588
01:18:19,200 --> 01:18:20,040
Speaker 1: and I agree.

1589
01:18:19,880 --> 01:18:23,439
Speaker 4: Like for Wanda Vision, it was like, oh, who is

1590
01:18:23,680 --> 01:18:25,160
Speaker 4: is it gonna be? Is it gonna be a fisto?

1591
01:18:25,160 --> 01:18:26,479
Speaker 1: Who's gonna be And then it turned out to be

1592
01:18:26,920 --> 01:18:30,479
Speaker 1: Aga though, who's legitimately the third character after Wanda and

1593
01:18:30,600 --> 01:18:33,400
Speaker 1: the vision that is introduced in the like but one

1594
01:18:33,479 --> 01:18:36,679
Speaker 1: of the first characters that is on the screen.

1595
01:18:37,120 --> 01:18:39,320
Speaker 4: And then for a Falcon, the Winter Soldier.

1596
01:18:39,400 --> 01:18:41,040
Speaker 1: The power Broker turned out to be Sharon, who was

1597
01:18:41,080 --> 01:18:44,519
Speaker 1: there all the time and was so obviously shady that

1598
01:18:44,680 --> 01:18:46,439
Speaker 1: it almost felt like a red herring.

1599
01:18:46,560 --> 01:18:48,160
Speaker 4: How obviously shady she was.

1600
01:18:48,280 --> 01:18:50,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, she would just be like, hold on,

1601
01:18:50,200 --> 01:18:52,280
Speaker 1: let me shoot these guys just as they're about to

1602
01:18:52,320 --> 01:18:52,960
Speaker 1: tell you the secret.

1603
01:18:53,040 --> 01:18:54,120
Speaker 3: Ye, who's theer?

1604
01:18:54,200 --> 01:18:54,599
Speaker 4: I'm not sure.

1605
01:18:54,800 --> 01:18:56,120
Speaker 3: Let me put on my leather jacket and bring some

1606
01:18:56,240 --> 01:18:57,280
Speaker 3: dark liquor. That's so you know that.

1607
01:19:00,360 --> 01:19:03,160
Speaker 1: Uh? And then and then that was you know, a

1608
01:19:03,240 --> 01:19:06,120
Speaker 1: lot of as as the kind of speculation kicked into

1609
01:19:06,160 --> 01:19:09,400
Speaker 1: high gear as we ended, as we like came towards

1610
01:19:09,479 --> 01:19:11,400
Speaker 1: the finale of Loki and people like, oh, who's you know,

1611
01:19:11,479 --> 01:19:13,880
Speaker 1: who's who's ultimately behind the Timekeepers? Who is it is

1612
01:19:13,960 --> 01:19:16,479
Speaker 1: gonna be another ary of Loki? Is like gonna be Friga,

1613
01:19:16,520 --> 01:19:18,240
Speaker 1: which is my personal theory, Who's it gonna be?

1614
01:19:18,880 --> 01:19:19,519
Speaker 4: And uh?

1615
01:19:20,439 --> 01:19:22,439
Speaker 1: And I kept coming to well, there's no way it's

1616
01:19:22,479 --> 01:19:26,360
Speaker 1: gonna be Kang because you don't introduce you don't do that. Yeah,

1617
01:19:26,560 --> 01:19:29,439
Speaker 1: you like there's no hints that it's him, Like there's

1618
01:19:29,479 --> 01:19:32,439
Speaker 1: no suspicion that it's him. There's no you don't see

1619
01:19:32,479 --> 01:19:34,640
Speaker 1: his picture on the back of a screen somewhere.

1620
01:19:34,479 --> 01:19:38,760
Speaker 6: Like they don't it's he. There is no they don't

1621
01:19:38,960 --> 01:19:40,960
Speaker 6: seed it at all, which is.

1622
01:19:41,560 --> 01:19:43,720
Speaker 2: There's where someone's like to do that, you have to

1623
01:19:43,760 --> 01:19:46,559
Speaker 2: be some sort of conqueror, Like there's just like nothing

1624
01:19:47,080 --> 01:19:49,680
Speaker 2: that pipeline is. Lady just pops up. It's like, Yo,

1625
01:19:49,880 --> 01:19:51,400
Speaker 2: we're about to act for thirty minutes. I hope you

1626
01:19:51,439 --> 01:19:51,960
Speaker 2: guys are ready.

1627
01:19:52,200 --> 01:19:54,160
Speaker 5: And what I think what I loved about it was

1628
01:19:54,240 --> 01:19:57,080
Speaker 5: because and and yeah, zag I think you're right, like yes,

1629
01:19:57,280 --> 01:20:00,479
Speaker 5: this is turning on a lot, like how pop these

1630
01:20:00,520 --> 01:20:03,880
Speaker 5: things are are kind of it's so weird, you know,

1631
01:20:04,000 --> 01:20:07,360
Speaker 5: like I grew up, you know where nerd culture was

1632
01:20:07,479 --> 01:20:09,920
Speaker 5: for nerds and you were bullied for liking these things.

1633
01:20:09,960 --> 01:20:13,360
Speaker 5: And now nerd culture obviously is culture, which is all

1634
01:20:13,439 --> 01:20:15,719
Speaker 5: of pop culture, which is you know, great and exciting.

1635
01:20:15,720 --> 01:20:16,560
Speaker 6: And I love that.

1636
01:20:16,640 --> 01:20:19,479
Speaker 5: It means I get more Marvel stuff and more Star

1637
01:20:19,560 --> 01:20:21,479
Speaker 5: Wars and all and more of all the stuff. I have,

1638
01:20:21,600 --> 01:20:23,880
Speaker 5: more sci fi, more fantasy, more like I get it.

1639
01:20:24,000 --> 01:20:26,840
Speaker 5: Like I'm like so excited, but it's I'm I'd be

1640
01:20:26,960 --> 01:20:31,799
Speaker 5: curious because there it's such a Marvel now, the mcu

1641
01:20:32,080 --> 01:20:35,880
Speaker 5: is is so big that yes, I'm certain there are

1642
01:20:35,880 --> 01:20:37,679
Speaker 5: a lot of people who are getting turned onto the comics.

1643
01:20:37,720 --> 01:20:42,519
Speaker 6: But I really wonder for casual Marvel fans, what does

1644
01:20:42,640 --> 01:20:43,519
Speaker 6: this feel like?

1645
01:20:43,840 --> 01:20:43,880
Speaker 1: Like?

1646
01:20:44,000 --> 01:20:47,160
Speaker 6: What does this like like like when they're watching that

1647
01:20:47,280 --> 01:20:48,320
Speaker 6: Loki season finale.

1648
01:20:48,400 --> 01:20:52,000
Speaker 5: Obviously it's enjoyable, and do you get the same out

1649
01:20:52,040 --> 01:20:54,519
Speaker 5: of it if you have no idea that that's Kang

1650
01:20:54,960 --> 01:20:55,840
Speaker 5: or who Kang is?

1651
01:20:56,120 --> 01:20:56,160
Speaker 1: Like?

1652
01:20:56,479 --> 01:20:59,880
Speaker 5: They have to be threading the needle of giving the

1653
01:21:00,120 --> 01:21:05,519
Speaker 5: casual viewer a satisfying experience and a satisfying, frankly season finale,

1654
01:21:06,280 --> 01:21:08,720
Speaker 5: even if you're like I don't know who Immortis is,

1655
01:21:08,840 --> 01:21:10,760
Speaker 5: or I don't know who Kang is, or I don't

1656
01:21:10,840 --> 01:21:13,680
Speaker 5: know about the multiverse or I don't know I'm a

1657
01:21:13,880 --> 01:21:16,519
Speaker 5: casual fan. So I think that the fact that it

1658
01:21:16,600 --> 01:21:19,560
Speaker 5: even worked for those people is testament to like what

1659
01:21:19,760 --> 01:21:22,000
Speaker 5: a good job they did with this show, you know,

1660
01:21:22,200 --> 01:21:25,400
Speaker 5: like Loki to me is and I enjoyed WandaVision. I

1661
01:21:25,479 --> 01:21:28,439
Speaker 5: mean I really enjoyed WandaVision. I liked Falcon and Winter

1662
01:21:28,560 --> 01:21:31,960
Speaker 5: Soldier but Loki to me was like playing on a

1663
01:21:32,040 --> 01:21:35,360
Speaker 5: different level mostly I think mostly because it really is

1664
01:21:35,439 --> 01:21:38,920
Speaker 5: the tipping point for the future of the MCU, and

1665
01:21:39,000 --> 01:21:39,360
Speaker 5: they knew.

1666
01:21:39,439 --> 01:21:41,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean we've been we've just yelled about this

1667
01:21:41,960 --> 01:21:45,040
Speaker 2: for the past hour. But like it's the most distilled

1668
01:21:45,120 --> 01:21:47,280
Speaker 2: version of what a comic book gets. It's big, it's weird,

1669
01:21:47,320 --> 01:21:49,840
Speaker 2: it's cosmic. You're talking about like ends of time. You're

1670
01:21:49,840 --> 01:21:53,120
Speaker 2: talking about these abstract entities and deities that you know.

1671
01:21:53,240 --> 01:21:55,200
Speaker 2: It's like we fight a giant cloud monster like that

1672
01:21:55,479 --> 01:21:58,040
Speaker 2: represents the end of time, and like that's what this

1673
01:21:58,120 --> 01:22:00,280
Speaker 2: show does, and it sticks to landing in it will

1674
01:22:00,280 --> 01:22:02,360
Speaker 2: be so to the point where like we can introduce

1675
01:22:02,479 --> 01:22:04,960
Speaker 2: the concept of like, oh this is uh, this has

1676
01:22:05,000 --> 01:22:08,400
Speaker 2: been happening across infinite number of universes, all within the background.

1677
01:22:08,920 --> 01:22:10,080
Speaker 3: Thanos wasn't even like that.

1678
01:22:10,200 --> 01:22:12,160
Speaker 2: He was just some dude, like you want some vinity zones,

1679
01:22:12,160 --> 01:22:14,080
Speaker 2: We got a whole fucking drawer full of them. Like, well,

1680
01:22:14,479 --> 01:22:16,080
Speaker 2: let's move on to the next thing. So, like what

1681
01:22:16,240 --> 01:22:18,400
Speaker 2: I love is that it's setting up a completely new

1682
01:22:18,439 --> 01:22:20,599
Speaker 2: status quote, which is also my favorite thing about comics

1683
01:22:20,680 --> 01:22:22,720
Speaker 2: is that like we're gonna reset this after that we

1684
01:22:22,800 --> 01:22:24,559
Speaker 2: do like a twenty issue run and now it's done,

1685
01:22:24,560 --> 01:22:25,800
Speaker 2: and now we're gonna move on to the next thing.

1686
01:22:26,120 --> 01:22:28,280
Speaker 2: And I love that what this means going forward, like

1687
01:22:28,360 --> 01:22:31,160
Speaker 2: any story that you want narrative wise, like Marvel wrote

1688
01:22:31,160 --> 01:22:33,600
Speaker 2: themselves an infinite check for rope when it comes to

1689
01:22:33,720 --> 01:22:35,200
Speaker 2: like what they need to do, and like, I love

1690
01:22:35,280 --> 01:22:37,519
Speaker 2: what it opens up story wise, narrative wise, it's gonna

1691
01:22:37,520 --> 01:22:38,120
Speaker 2: be fantastic.

1692
01:22:38,520 --> 01:22:40,720
Speaker 6: And I think it's really exciting that they did it

1693
01:22:40,880 --> 01:22:41,439
Speaker 6: with Loki.

1694
01:22:42,080 --> 01:22:45,040
Speaker 5: You know, Loki is like the MCU's closest thing to

1695
01:22:45,120 --> 01:22:49,360
Speaker 5: like a Jamie Lee, Yes, yeah, yeah, like a character

1696
01:22:49,479 --> 01:22:52,160
Speaker 5: who is beloved and charming but has gone from a

1697
01:22:52,280 --> 01:22:55,400
Speaker 5: villain to a good guy to existing in the gray area.

1698
01:22:55,720 --> 01:22:58,280
Speaker 6: They both are obsessed romantically with their twin.

1699
01:22:59,160 --> 01:23:03,960
Speaker 5: They both fall in love with a with an identical

1700
01:23:04,080 --> 01:23:06,240
Speaker 5: twin of their of themselves.

1701
01:23:06,080 --> 01:23:10,200
Speaker 1: I mean they unambiguously in Marvels the Avengers compared him

1702
01:23:10,240 --> 01:23:15,519
Speaker 1: to Hitler, like a and a Holocaust survivor in Germany

1703
01:23:15,680 --> 01:23:18,479
Speaker 1: stands up and says, they have always been met like

1704
01:23:18,600 --> 01:23:22,200
Speaker 1: you and by which I mean Hitler, who, by the

1705
01:23:22,280 --> 01:23:26,519
Speaker 1: way I experience firsthand, you are Hitler's And now they

1706
01:23:26,560 --> 01:23:28,600
Speaker 1: have managed to turn that character into like.

1707
01:23:28,800 --> 01:23:31,840
Speaker 5: Somebody that we like, that is, and not only like,

1708
01:23:32,120 --> 01:23:34,639
Speaker 5: not only like, but this season of television we got

1709
01:23:34,680 --> 01:23:39,280
Speaker 5: like a before Sunrise rom com. We not only do

1710
01:23:39,400 --> 01:23:41,320
Speaker 5: we like him, but like we're rooting for him to

1711
01:23:41,400 --> 01:23:44,000
Speaker 5: have like a walk and talk with a beautiful woman

1712
01:23:44,080 --> 01:23:44,719
Speaker 5: and try.

1713
01:23:44,600 --> 01:23:45,200
Speaker 6: And kiss her.

1714
01:23:45,640 --> 01:23:49,400
Speaker 5: I mean, you're like, this was a genocidal lunatic some

1715
01:23:49,760 --> 01:23:53,439
Speaker 5: years ago, and that I think is a pretty cool feat. Yeah,

1716
01:23:53,439 --> 01:23:54,960
Speaker 5: And the fact that they were able to do it,

1717
01:23:55,080 --> 01:23:57,120
Speaker 5: I think I think they were very smart to use

1718
01:23:57,240 --> 01:24:00,880
Speaker 5: Loki as the pivot point because he's beloved, people want

1719
01:24:00,920 --> 01:24:03,280
Speaker 5: to watch Loki. It wasn't I don't think they could

1720
01:24:03,320 --> 01:24:09,600
Speaker 5: have done this introduction of the multiverse inside of a story.

1721
01:24:10,240 --> 01:24:12,760
Speaker 2: With other characters, and you know benefit of that's also

1722
01:24:12,840 --> 01:24:15,519
Speaker 2: like it's a new Loki a variant obviously, so look,

1723
01:24:15,720 --> 01:24:17,280
Speaker 2: you get to hit all it's like the greatest hits

1724
01:24:17,280 --> 01:24:19,240
Speaker 2: with this beats Like you get to see him go

1725
01:24:19,400 --> 01:24:21,800
Speaker 2: from bad to good within an episode, and then like

1726
01:24:22,000 --> 01:24:23,960
Speaker 2: it catches up anyone else who has not seen all

1727
01:24:24,040 --> 01:24:26,439
Speaker 2: the Thor movies who like necessarily isn't caught up on

1728
01:24:26,560 --> 01:24:29,200
Speaker 2: like Thor lore or Loki lore and like you see

1729
01:24:29,240 --> 01:24:31,960
Speaker 2: who this character is. And it's also it's a classic myth,

1730
01:24:32,120 --> 01:24:34,360
Speaker 2: like everyone has been reading these types of stories for

1731
01:24:34,880 --> 01:24:38,639
Speaker 2: since humans could could could share speech, and like it's

1732
01:24:38,640 --> 01:24:41,040
Speaker 2: a perfect encapsulation of like how that stuff works out

1733
01:24:41,040 --> 01:24:43,080
Speaker 2: with like, all right, we have their journey's gonna be

1734
01:24:43,479 --> 01:24:45,360
Speaker 2: a bad guy going on like basically like a road

1735
01:24:45,400 --> 01:24:48,840
Speaker 2: trip with himself, a cosmic road trip, and they fucking

1736
01:24:48,920 --> 01:24:49,240
Speaker 2: killed it.

1737
01:24:50,000 --> 01:24:53,760
Speaker 1: They did a great job too, just like grounding all

1738
01:24:53,800 --> 01:24:56,360
Speaker 1: of these shows actually, but like Loki in particular, grounding

1739
01:24:56,439 --> 01:25:00,040
Speaker 1: it in a real, like deep like emotional question, and

1740
01:25:00,200 --> 01:25:02,560
Speaker 1: like what does it mean to try and be a

1741
01:25:02,680 --> 01:25:07,800
Speaker 1: better person in a world in which your specific role

1742
01:25:08,040 --> 01:25:11,559
Speaker 1: requires you to never become a better person? And if

1743
01:25:11,640 --> 01:25:15,639
Speaker 1: you ever actually make any headway in accepting the pain

1744
01:25:15,760 --> 01:25:19,680
Speaker 1: that you've caused others, in trying to better yourself, in

1745
01:25:19,800 --> 01:25:23,320
Speaker 1: trying to be empathic and understand other people's situations, we

1746
01:25:23,520 --> 01:25:26,160
Speaker 1: will cull you from that. We will erase you, we

1747
01:25:26,240 --> 01:25:28,800
Speaker 1: will throw you into the void, and you will never

1748
01:25:28,960 --> 01:25:33,040
Speaker 1: be seen again. That was That's a really dark and

1749
01:25:33,200 --> 01:25:36,000
Speaker 1: kind of I think meaningful question for anybody who's like, man,

1750
01:25:36,040 --> 01:25:37,240
Speaker 1: how do I not be an asshole?

1751
01:25:37,280 --> 01:25:39,439
Speaker 4: All the time, What is there a way to not

1752
01:25:39,600 --> 01:25:39,840
Speaker 4: do that?

1753
01:25:40,120 --> 01:25:44,240
Speaker 5: This show is the inverse of the good perty yeah yeah, yeah,

1754
01:25:44,320 --> 01:25:47,680
Speaker 5: yeah yeah, where people are encouraged to get better and

1755
01:25:47,840 --> 01:25:51,439
Speaker 5: evolve and become more empathic and become better people. This

1756
01:25:51,640 --> 01:25:55,320
Speaker 5: storyline is if you diverge and you try and be

1757
01:25:55,439 --> 01:25:57,360
Speaker 5: a better person or try and change the way a

1758
01:25:57,439 --> 01:25:59,920
Speaker 5: loki is a loki, You're gonna get prune.

1759
01:26:00,360 --> 01:26:01,800
Speaker 6: You know, you're gonna it's over.

1760
01:26:02,800 --> 01:26:05,479
Speaker 1: You were talking about Jason how like that. You're just

1761
01:26:05,520 --> 01:26:07,200
Speaker 1: like a fan of this stuff, so of course you're biased.

1762
01:26:07,479 --> 01:26:10,080
Speaker 1: I am too, Like I've acknowledged my bias many times,

1763
01:26:10,120 --> 01:26:12,160
Speaker 1: and I think part of that is, like, and the

1764
01:26:12,240 --> 01:26:16,080
Speaker 1: thing that fascinates me about this question is this idea

1765
01:26:16,200 --> 01:26:21,240
Speaker 1: that like serialized storytelling through comics, that kind of style

1766
01:26:21,320 --> 01:26:23,960
Speaker 1: of storytelling is like merging with TV in interesting ways.

1767
01:26:24,000 --> 01:26:26,360
Speaker 1: And what I mean by that is like, if I'm

1768
01:26:26,400 --> 01:26:29,559
Speaker 1: reading a comic book and I am turning the page,

1769
01:26:29,560 --> 01:26:30,559
Speaker 1: I'm like, who is this villain?

1770
01:26:30,600 --> 01:26:31,920
Speaker 4: Who is this hooded villain whatever?

1771
01:26:32,000 --> 01:26:33,720
Speaker 1: And then at the end they take off their hood

1772
01:26:33,840 --> 01:26:36,960
Speaker 1: and it's like Ultron or someone I never expected in

1773
01:26:37,040 --> 01:26:39,760
Speaker 1: the comic books. I'm like, yo, I get that that

1774
01:26:40,320 --> 01:26:42,720
Speaker 1: I'm buying the next issue. I understand this, this is

1775
01:26:42,880 --> 01:26:47,200
Speaker 1: set up. This is fine in television that never really happens,

1776
01:26:47,240 --> 01:26:52,400
Speaker 1: and we're so programmed by the various structures of storytelling

1777
01:26:52,520 --> 01:26:55,280
Speaker 1: that are very common, that stuff that, when you really

1778
01:26:55,320 --> 01:26:57,559
Speaker 1: think about it, that is actually kind of weird and strange,

1779
01:26:57,640 --> 01:26:58,400
Speaker 1: feels very normal.

1780
01:26:58,479 --> 01:26:59,519
Speaker 4: For instance, like.

1781
01:26:59,600 --> 01:27:03,080
Speaker 1: If you watch a Marvel movie with a kid and

1782
01:27:03,280 --> 01:27:05,599
Speaker 1: there's that opening scene where it's like, you know, there's

1783
01:27:05,640 --> 01:27:08,680
Speaker 1: some heist going on, and then like somebody says, mysteriously, hey,

1784
01:27:08,720 --> 01:27:09,400
Speaker 1: do you have the thing?

1785
01:27:09,720 --> 01:27:12,920
Speaker 4: Yes, I have it. I'll inform the master. Does he know? Yes,

1786
01:27:13,000 --> 01:27:14,680
Speaker 4: he knows. Like if you watch all with the kid,

1787
01:27:14,760 --> 01:27:17,559
Speaker 4: the kid's like, what what's happening? What are they taught?

1788
01:27:17,720 --> 01:27:20,880
Speaker 1: Whereas you understand they're gonna tell me what this is.

1789
01:27:21,080 --> 01:27:23,360
Speaker 1: I don't need to know anything about this. I understand

1790
01:27:23,400 --> 01:27:25,040
Speaker 1: that this is set up for a thing that happens later.

1791
01:27:25,400 --> 01:27:29,280
Speaker 1: So it really feels like they're through these various flexes

1792
01:27:29,360 --> 01:27:32,479
Speaker 1: of we are the biggest like storytelling engine in entertainment

1793
01:27:32,560 --> 01:27:36,439
Speaker 1: right now, they're actually creating these weird new pockets and

1794
01:27:36,720 --> 01:27:38,120
Speaker 1: styles of storytelling.

1795
01:27:38,520 --> 01:27:40,640
Speaker 5: What here's what they're doing. I think this is and

1796
01:27:40,760 --> 01:27:43,080
Speaker 5: which is interesting. I wonder if this is purposeful or

1797
01:27:43,120 --> 01:27:47,280
Speaker 5: if this is just kind of how they run, which

1798
01:27:47,400 --> 01:27:51,040
Speaker 5: is they have successfully Kevin Figy, I'll put this at

1799
01:27:51,080 --> 01:27:55,400
Speaker 5: Kevin Figy's feet. I think Kevin Figy has successfully trained

1800
01:27:56,040 --> 01:28:01,040
Speaker 5: the public to watch Marvel movies to at the very

1801
01:28:01,120 --> 01:28:04,639
Speaker 5: beginning was they were comic book movies, but they didn't

1802
01:28:04,720 --> 01:28:08,320
Speaker 5: operate like comic books, right. They were just the characters

1803
01:28:08,360 --> 01:28:11,960
Speaker 5: from your comics in a story. Sometimes those stories were

1804
01:28:12,160 --> 01:28:15,600
Speaker 5: pulled loosely from comic book arcs or something like that,

1805
01:28:16,160 --> 01:28:20,400
Speaker 5: but really they stood alone, unto themselves until they were connected,

1806
01:28:20,479 --> 01:28:23,120
Speaker 5: and they connected in very clean ways, right for that

1807
01:28:23,240 --> 01:28:26,519
Speaker 5: first ten years, for phase one, phase two, that's what

1808
01:28:26,640 --> 01:28:31,280
Speaker 5: it is. Phase three, and now especially phase four, the

1809
01:28:31,520 --> 01:28:35,400
Speaker 5: MCU and comics movies are feeling more like comics.

1810
01:28:35,520 --> 01:28:35,600
Speaker 1: Ye.

1811
01:28:35,880 --> 01:28:38,600
Speaker 5: So like when sometimes you know, you'll pick up a

1812
01:28:38,680 --> 01:28:41,800
Speaker 5: comic I'll read I'll pick up a Spider Man at

1813
01:28:41,840 --> 01:28:45,439
Speaker 5: you and I'll be like, suddenly he's wearing like a

1814
01:28:45,560 --> 01:28:51,080
Speaker 5: different suit and he has like and someone's dead and

1815
01:28:51,200 --> 01:28:53,479
Speaker 5: I'm like, wait, what did I miss? I've read this

1816
01:28:53,800 --> 01:28:55,040
Speaker 5: every month and.

1817
01:28:55,120 --> 01:28:55,920
Speaker 6: Someone is like, oh.

1818
01:28:56,280 --> 01:29:01,519
Speaker 5: There was a six issue mini series in which in

1819
01:29:01,720 --> 01:29:04,280
Speaker 5: which Aunt May died and something.

1820
01:29:04,360 --> 01:29:05,560
Speaker 6: You have to go read that.

1821
01:29:06,200 --> 01:29:11,280
Speaker 5: And that's what they're doing now in their properties over

1822
01:29:11,360 --> 01:29:15,200
Speaker 5: across platforms. So if when we come back and ant

1823
01:29:15,280 --> 01:29:18,280
Speaker 5: Man in the Wasp, or when King variants Yeah starts

1824
01:29:18,320 --> 01:29:22,080
Speaker 5: showing up in Doctor Strange and and ant Man in

1825
01:29:22,120 --> 01:29:24,040
Speaker 5: the Wasp, when Kang starts shout up, there's gonna be

1826
01:29:24,040 --> 01:29:26,360
Speaker 5: a lot of people who didn't watch Loki, but who

1827
01:29:26,479 --> 01:29:29,400
Speaker 5: watched but who watch all the movies, who are like,

1828
01:29:29,680 --> 01:29:30,439
Speaker 5: who's that guy?

1829
01:29:30,920 --> 01:29:32,880
Speaker 6: And people are gonna have to be like, oh, he

1830
01:29:33,080 --> 01:29:35,120
Speaker 6: was introduced in Logi ba ba bah.

1831
01:29:35,160 --> 01:29:38,680
Speaker 5: And that's comics. That is the that is how we

1832
01:29:38,880 --> 01:29:44,400
Speaker 5: process comics. Important things happen not always in the mainline book.

1833
01:29:44,760 --> 01:29:47,840
Speaker 5: Sometimes it happens in the offshoots or one offs or

1834
01:29:47,920 --> 01:29:50,479
Speaker 5: in an annual you might not have read all sorts

1835
01:29:50,479 --> 01:29:50,880
Speaker 5: of stuff.

1836
01:29:51,439 --> 01:29:54,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's absolutely one d percent how it works.

1837
01:29:54,680 --> 01:29:56,400
Speaker 2: And like I love that they're at this, I mean,

1838
01:29:56,439 --> 01:29:58,160
Speaker 2: for better or for worse. Like I know people have

1839
01:29:58,240 --> 01:30:00,280
Speaker 2: thoughts about that, especially if you're reading a bunch of

1840
01:30:00,320 --> 01:30:02,240
Speaker 2: books at the same time a month, but like I

1841
01:30:02,439 --> 01:30:04,880
Speaker 2: do love to thrill the page turn like and this

1842
01:30:05,000 --> 01:30:06,519
Speaker 2: is exactly what it captures like the end of a

1843
01:30:06,840 --> 01:30:08,640
Speaker 2: after end of like you know, a run on Spider Man,

1844
01:30:08,680 --> 01:30:10,760
Speaker 2: You're like, all right, see, like they'll have like oh

1845
01:30:10,840 --> 01:30:13,640
Speaker 2: doc option, you'll see like a caw and like in Silhouette,

1846
01:30:13,640 --> 01:30:15,040
Speaker 2: you're like, oh, is he gonna be like the next

1847
01:30:15,040 --> 01:30:17,479
Speaker 2: big bat that shows up in the mix running Spider Man?

1848
01:30:17,520 --> 01:30:20,680
Speaker 2: Like that's exactly what's capturing with with the DMCU shows.

1849
01:30:20,840 --> 01:30:26,160
Speaker 5: And they're they're just constantly making it possible so smartly

1850
01:30:26,680 --> 01:30:29,920
Speaker 5: in a way that I think the DC films have failed.

1851
01:30:30,280 --> 01:30:35,000
Speaker 5: They've smartly, like they're walking their audience into more and

1852
01:30:35,160 --> 01:30:38,599
Speaker 5: more complex storytelling and bringing them along for the ride.

1853
01:30:38,680 --> 01:30:42,000
Speaker 5: They're not just dumping this huge audience into the deep

1854
01:30:42,120 --> 01:30:44,320
Speaker 5: end like they're on you know, this has been going

1855
01:30:44,360 --> 01:30:46,600
Speaker 5: on since you know, so this is twenty years in.

1856
01:30:47,240 --> 01:30:49,679
Speaker 5: You know, like you couldn't have done Loki the TV

1857
01:30:49,800 --> 01:30:52,200
Speaker 5: show in twenty twelve. You couldn't have done you know

1858
01:30:52,240 --> 01:30:55,320
Speaker 5: what I mean, Like you couldn't have you couldn't have introduced.

1859
01:30:54,880 --> 01:30:55,800
Speaker 6: Kang at the end.

1860
01:30:55,880 --> 01:30:59,479
Speaker 5: It wouldn't work really, you know, to have such an

1861
01:30:59,479 --> 01:31:02,840
Speaker 5: important you're a cur in movie five or something like that.

1862
01:31:03,000 --> 01:31:06,200
Speaker 5: This is to introduce the multiverse. You needed twenty years

1863
01:31:06,240 --> 01:31:10,479
Speaker 5: of runway to be like, now everything is possible, and.

1864
01:31:10,560 --> 01:31:13,479
Speaker 1: This is really what sets up What If, which is

1865
01:31:13,600 --> 01:31:16,320
Speaker 1: the animated anthology series currently wearing on Disney Plus.

1866
01:31:16,520 --> 01:31:19,519
Speaker 5: Which I want to say, if there are people out

1867
01:31:19,560 --> 01:31:23,640
Speaker 5: there who are thinking I don't love cartoons or cartoons

1868
01:31:23,720 --> 01:31:26,920
Speaker 5: feel like the they sometimes people think like, oh, those

1869
01:31:27,040 --> 01:31:29,599
Speaker 5: must be for kids, those must be like the Marvel

1870
01:31:29,720 --> 01:31:32,639
Speaker 5: kid like, and I'm telling you watch What If.

1871
01:31:32,960 --> 01:31:33,840
Speaker 3: It's so good.

1872
01:31:34,400 --> 01:31:36,240
Speaker 4: The action is so good.

1873
01:31:36,560 --> 01:31:40,880
Speaker 1: First of all, the animation style is it's gorgeous, beautiful,

1874
01:31:41,040 --> 01:31:46,080
Speaker 1: like I want to watto fall into every single pan.

1875
01:31:46,280 --> 01:31:46,400
Speaker 3: Oh.

1876
01:31:47,160 --> 01:31:50,439
Speaker 1: On top of that, like the animation of the action

1877
01:31:50,920 --> 01:31:52,519
Speaker 1: is so seamless and smooth.

1878
01:31:52,600 --> 01:31:54,120
Speaker 4: I don't it is.

1879
01:31:54,360 --> 01:31:57,080
Speaker 1: There's one scene in the in the first episode where

1880
01:31:57,960 --> 01:32:02,240
Speaker 1: Peggy Carter becomes you know, infused with the super Soldier

1881
01:32:02,280 --> 01:32:06,240
Speaker 1: serum and she becomes Captain Peggy Carter where she like

1882
01:32:07,560 --> 01:32:12,120
Speaker 1: jumps through the canopy of a German bomber using the

1883
01:32:12,240 --> 01:32:16,000
Speaker 1: shield and it is like pulse found it stuff.

1884
01:32:16,600 --> 01:32:20,800
Speaker 5: Yeah, Oh yeah, it's great that that episode and the

1885
01:32:21,040 --> 01:32:24,880
Speaker 5: second episode that Chadwick Boseman What If T'Challa was star

1886
01:32:25,000 --> 01:32:29,400
Speaker 5: Lord episode incredible, incredible fight sequences.

1887
01:32:29,800 --> 01:32:33,160
Speaker 6: The Yeah, the animation is like straight.

1888
01:32:32,960 --> 01:32:35,479
Speaker 5: Out of the gate, incredible, I think, Yeah, I know,

1889
01:32:35,600 --> 01:32:37,560
Speaker 5: I've read other places that people don't love it.

1890
01:32:37,720 --> 01:32:43,080
Speaker 6: I don't know why. I'm totally into it. I really am.

1891
01:32:43,320 --> 01:32:43,599
Speaker 6: I think.

1892
01:32:43,720 --> 01:32:46,680
Speaker 5: I mean, I have a few little nitpicks here and there,

1893
01:32:47,080 --> 01:32:50,040
Speaker 5: but most of those are because again, I think the

1894
01:32:50,160 --> 01:32:53,559
Speaker 5: things that I'm nitpicking are the things that I'm nitpicking

1895
01:32:53,600 --> 01:32:56,479
Speaker 5: because I'm a super fan. But I suspect for a

1896
01:32:56,800 --> 01:33:00,200
Speaker 5: casual fan, it has to run this way, you know

1897
01:33:00,240 --> 01:33:02,200
Speaker 5: what I mean? Like and and I understand that. I

1898
01:33:02,280 --> 01:33:06,400
Speaker 5: think I think for such again again, for what could

1899
01:33:06,439 --> 01:33:09,840
Speaker 5: have been a toss off animated show for kids, like

1900
01:33:10,360 --> 01:33:10,760
Speaker 5: what If?

1901
01:33:11,200 --> 01:33:11,800
Speaker 6: Because what If?

1902
01:33:11,880 --> 01:33:13,240
Speaker 5: We should say, I don't know if you've already talked

1903
01:33:13,240 --> 01:33:15,920
Speaker 5: about it, forgive me if this is repeat information, but

1904
01:33:16,080 --> 01:33:16,519
Speaker 5: what If.

1905
01:33:16,520 --> 01:33:17,320
Speaker 6: Is based on the.

1906
01:33:18,800 --> 01:33:21,519
Speaker 5: It's based on the comics what If, in which they

1907
01:33:21,640 --> 01:33:26,639
Speaker 5: take traditional Marvel storylines and flip it on its head.

1908
01:33:26,840 --> 01:33:29,080
Speaker 6: So what if Gwen's Stacy had lived?

1909
01:33:29,360 --> 01:33:31,000
Speaker 4: Or what you know, like what If?

1910
01:33:31,120 --> 01:33:33,560
Speaker 5: And so they'll basically use it as an opportunity to

1911
01:33:33,640 --> 01:33:36,880
Speaker 5: tell a one off story or a or a little

1912
01:33:37,120 --> 01:33:39,519
Speaker 5: chunk of a story in a world in which the

1913
01:33:39,680 --> 01:33:44,400
Speaker 5: circumstances were totally different, right, and those are they're fun.

1914
01:33:44,640 --> 01:33:48,040
Speaker 6: They're like Twilight Zone episodes of the MCU kind of.

1915
01:33:48,240 --> 01:33:52,000
Speaker 1: Is that Yes, I think that's exactly correct, exactly yeah,

1916
01:33:52,240 --> 01:33:55,160
Speaker 1: And so the TV show is uses that as a

1917
01:33:55,240 --> 01:33:59,000
Speaker 1: jumping off point, but they're they're wetting it to their

1918
01:33:59,320 --> 01:34:01,960
Speaker 1: new introduction of the multiverse at the end of Loki.

1919
01:34:02,080 --> 01:34:05,760
Speaker 5: So so these aren't just kind of fantastical hypothetical like

1920
01:34:05,840 --> 01:34:06,639
Speaker 5: what if this happened.

1921
01:34:07,000 --> 01:34:10,760
Speaker 6: They're saying, these are the events of the multiverse.

1922
01:34:10,840 --> 01:34:14,240
Speaker 5: So there is a universe in which Ta'chala has taken

1923
01:34:14,360 --> 01:34:17,639
Speaker 5: not Peter Quill or Peggy Carter was turned into Captain

1924
01:34:17,720 --> 01:34:21,800
Speaker 5: Carter instead of Steve Rogers. Like, so they're saying, through

1925
01:34:22,000 --> 01:34:25,040
Speaker 5: the character of Uwatu the Watcher played by Jeffrey Right,

1926
01:34:25,080 --> 01:34:27,840
Speaker 5: they're saying, all of the multiverse is now available to us,

1927
01:34:27,920 --> 01:34:31,240
Speaker 5: let's tell stories inside of That's cool.

1928
01:34:31,479 --> 01:34:33,720
Speaker 2: It's dope as fucking Also, it gives you like the

1929
01:34:33,800 --> 01:34:36,640
Speaker 2: possibility of like, yeah, maybe we loved maybe want to

1930
01:34:36,640 --> 01:34:38,439
Speaker 2: see more of Captain Carter, so we're just gon spin

1931
01:34:38,479 --> 01:34:41,439
Speaker 2: out to like her own TV show or like yeah.

1932
01:34:41,439 --> 01:34:42,559
Speaker 6: Well you know what they said.

1933
01:34:42,960 --> 01:34:46,640
Speaker 5: They said that every season of What If will have

1934
01:34:47,000 --> 01:34:48,840
Speaker 5: another installment of oh.

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Speaker 1: Really, Oh wow, that's actually great because I was like,

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Speaker 1: where's so that for the other seventy minutes of this

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Speaker 1: show when she popped.

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Speaker 6: Out exactly because that, I will say that is my

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Speaker 6: only complaint.

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Speaker 5: My only complaint is there I feel like they're trying

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Speaker 5: to fit move length plots into thirty minute shows, and

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Speaker 5: my feeling is no, no, no, don't don't think you

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Speaker 5: need to adhere so much to the But this, again,

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Speaker 5: I think, is them walking their audience into that more

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Speaker 5: complex idea because I think there's a lot of people

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Speaker 5: probably being like, what the fuck's going on?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: You know, well, Jason Manzucus, thank you for walking into

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Speaker 1: the debut episode of Extra Vision.

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Speaker 4: It has been a pleasure.

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Speaker 1: I have you.

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Speaker 5: Thrilled to Jason, There's nothing I want more in the

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Speaker 5: world than listening to you. I've missed it in my life,

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Speaker 5: talking about pop culture, talking about the stuff that we

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Speaker 5: both love.

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Speaker 6: Yes, I get to text with you and rant and

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Speaker 6: rave about it, which I adore.

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Speaker 5: But it makes me so happy that you're doing the show,

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Speaker 5: and I cannot wait to smash the subscribe buttons and

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Speaker 5: listen to it every week.

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Speaker 4: Can't wait to Gig and Zig.

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Speaker 3: What a what a delightless of you.

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Speaker 6: It's so fun so great, so funny.

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Speaker 3: I love it.

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Speaker 6: Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to our endgame segment where we play a game

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Speaker 1: at the end of the episode. That's right, it's a

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Speaker 1: very clever title. Today's game is Who's Your Neville or

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Speaker 1: Who's Your Gollum? This is a reference to Nevill Longbottom

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Speaker 1: from Harry Potter and Gollum from Lord of the Rings.

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Speaker 4: Who is the character that is seemingly on the outside,

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Speaker 4: not really that.

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Speaker 1: Important, kind of like on the edge of the story,

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Speaker 1: but then all of a sudden at the very end,

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Speaker 1: they take the sword of Gryffindor and they slay the

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Speaker 1: snake or they become the only way that Frodo can

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Speaker 1: get away from the ring, like they become vital in

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Speaker 1: the final moment in that final fight when everybody steps

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Speaker 1: out of the portals against Kang. So the characters will

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Speaker 1: be from only these Disney Plus shows that we've talked

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Speaker 1: about today, WandaVision Falcon in the Winter Soldier and.

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Speaker 4: Loki and Zig. Who is your Neville or who is

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Speaker 4: your golle I?

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Speaker 2: It is a hard decision. I Ye, I think I

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Speaker 2: think I'm gonna put my money on Wickan. I think,

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Speaker 2: oh this is good. I think it's gonna be all.

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Speaker 2: It's gonna be a long walk to get there. It's

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Speaker 2: long payoff. It's gonna take a couple of movies and

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Speaker 2: a couple of TV shows. But I think I think

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Speaker 2: they're gonna be like Wicked, You're the only you and

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Speaker 2: and kid Loki, They're gonna come together and like you're

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Speaker 2: the one that's gonna defeat him through the power of

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Speaker 2: friendship or love. I'm putting it on him because we

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Speaker 2: haven't had a big magical, a big magical fight yet,

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Speaker 2: a big magical like sind Depth.

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Speaker 3: So like, I'm money's all on Wicked. Baby, I'm going

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Speaker 3: all in.

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Speaker 4: I love that.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm going to uh man, I'm gonna use

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Speaker 1: I'm just gonna repurpose my Tyler Hayward is the progenitor

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Speaker 1: of the Sentinels theory, and I'm gonna say it is

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Speaker 1: Director Tyler Hayward of Sword the Sentient Weapon observation and

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Speaker 1: response to vision. His interest in thinking machines that are

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Speaker 1: also weapons leads me to believe that maybe he will

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Speaker 1: create a program of thinking robots that whose only mission

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Speaker 1: is to kill people with powers. In that case, he

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Speaker 1: would be my Gollum, and hopefully he is also the

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Speaker 1: key to dismantling those robots too in the future if

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Speaker 1: should they come to a rise. Those are our answers.

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Speaker 1: Who are your answers? Feel free to hit us up

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Speaker 1: on social media and watch this space.

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Speaker 4: That's it for today. Thank you for listening to the

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Speaker 4: debut episode of X ray Vision.

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Speaker 1: Check us out wherever you get your podcast zig It's

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Speaker 1: been fantastic hang out with you.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for having me brother, always a fan, love that

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Speaker 2: you're back in the nerd game. That you ever really left,

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Speaker 2: but I'm stoked. Thanks for having me man.

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Speaker 4: Let's go.

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Speaker 1: X ray Vision is a Crooked Media production. The show

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Speaker 1: is produced by Chris Lord and Saul Rubin. The show

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Speaker 1: is executive produced by myself, Tason Cantepsiona and Sandy Gerard.

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Speaker 1: Caroline rest and Rest in Peace and Carlton Gillespie are

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Speaker 1: our consulting producers, and our editing and sound design is

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Speaker 1: by Sarah Gibblaska and the good Folks.

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Speaker 4: At chapter four. Thank you to Brian Vasquez for our

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Speaker 4: theme music.