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So, as you 18 00:00:50,479 --> 00:00:53,640 Speaker 1: may have noticed, John Stewart has re emerged in order 19 00:00:53,720 --> 00:00:56,240 Speaker 1: to talk about all the things, but in particular his 20 00:00:56,560 --> 00:01:01,000 Speaker 1: new Apple TV show called The with John Stewart, which 21 00:01:01,040 --> 00:01:03,240 Speaker 1: is which is pretty interesting when you should definitely check out. 22 00:01:03,600 --> 00:01:06,800 Speaker 1: So he went on with Jake Tapper and had some 23 00:01:06,959 --> 00:01:10,120 Speaker 1: pointed criticism of the media that we found very interesting. 24 00:01:10,240 --> 00:01:12,559 Speaker 1: Let's take a listen to that. But attention. Governor Gavin 25 00:01:12,600 --> 00:01:16,319 Speaker 1: Newsom in California to signed a law requiring gender neutral 26 00:01:16,360 --> 00:01:20,119 Speaker 1: toy sections in stores. There's obviously a lot of debate 27 00:01:20,200 --> 00:01:23,200 Speaker 1: across the country, not all not all all of it 28 00:01:23,280 --> 00:01:27,000 Speaker 1: well informed about critical race theory and how race is 29 00:01:27,040 --> 00:01:30,280 Speaker 1: taught in schools. What are your what do you have 30 00:01:30,360 --> 00:01:34,880 Speaker 1: concerns about how these debates are taking place. Obviously I'm 31 00:01:34,920 --> 00:01:38,120 Speaker 1: not talking about how they're depicted in right wing media 32 00:01:38,160 --> 00:01:40,800 Speaker 1: because there it doesn't matter what the Democrats do or 33 00:01:40,840 --> 00:01:43,319 Speaker 1: liberals do for right wing media to lie about it. 34 00:01:43,680 --> 00:01:46,040 Speaker 1: But there are a number of independent voters who might 35 00:01:46,080 --> 00:01:53,400 Speaker 1: not understand what's going on. Yeah, I mean, there are 36 00:01:53,400 --> 00:01:55,400 Speaker 1: a lot of things a lot of people don't understand, 37 00:01:55,480 --> 00:02:00,200 Speaker 1: and it's something's either right and common sense. I mean, 38 00:02:00,320 --> 00:02:02,880 Speaker 1: I do think there are ways to accomplish some of 39 00:02:02,880 --> 00:02:09,560 Speaker 1: these goals in ways that but you can't govern to 40 00:02:09,680 --> 00:02:14,400 Speaker 1: the lowest common denominator. You can't, I think one of 41 00:02:14,480 --> 00:02:17,240 Speaker 1: the difficulties, and again it's it's with the way that 42 00:02:17,840 --> 00:02:21,320 Speaker 1: the lens through which we view everything is based on 43 00:02:21,520 --> 00:02:25,560 Speaker 1: and what will that mean for the midterms? Or what 44 00:02:25,720 --> 00:02:29,880 Speaker 1: I saw a great headline in Politico as Afghanistan was 45 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:34,720 Speaker 1: descending into chaos in that final week, and the headline 46 00:02:34,760 --> 00:02:37,679 Speaker 1: in political this is this is the top line headline, 47 00:02:37,680 --> 00:02:41,120 Speaker 1: the one with the forty you know point font whatever 48 00:02:41,160 --> 00:02:48,440 Speaker 1: it was, It said why Afghanistan may not matter in 49 00:02:48,520 --> 00:02:52,920 Speaker 1: the midterms, and then the sub head was and why 50 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:57,960 Speaker 1: it might help. I mean, I think they have a point. 51 00:02:58,040 --> 00:03:01,359 Speaker 1: They have a point, but that it's our journalism, right man. 52 00:03:01,440 --> 00:03:05,080 Speaker 1: Isn't that like? How many times have you seen stories 53 00:03:05,360 --> 00:03:09,360 Speaker 1: about the battle over masks? That's the Karen yelling in 54 00:03:09,440 --> 00:03:12,679 Speaker 1: the store and the people throwing them out and all that, 55 00:03:13,720 --> 00:03:16,960 Speaker 1: And how many stories have we seen about the efficacy 56 00:03:17,040 --> 00:03:21,560 Speaker 1: of masks or the why or the actual like? There 57 00:03:21,600 --> 00:03:27,440 Speaker 1: are some, but the overwhelming majority of stories seek to 58 00:03:28,240 --> 00:03:36,360 Speaker 1: expose the conflict lines astute commentary there. I'm wondering if 59 00:03:36,360 --> 00:03:38,400 Speaker 1: he has a breaking point span because it sounds like 60 00:03:38,440 --> 00:03:40,160 Speaker 1: something we might have said on here. But it's too 61 00:03:40,240 --> 00:03:44,200 Speaker 1: much of a boomer to watch YouTube. Yeah, probably it's 62 00:03:44,240 --> 00:03:46,560 Speaker 1: too flattering to my egre to imagine that. But it's 63 00:03:46,600 --> 00:03:50,560 Speaker 1: really interesting because Jake Taber asked him this incredibly long 64 00:03:50,600 --> 00:03:54,280 Speaker 1: and meandering question but essentially breaks down to do you 65 00:03:54,280 --> 00:03:56,760 Speaker 1: think this critical race theory stuff is going to be 66 00:03:56,880 --> 00:03:59,040 Speaker 1: a problem for Democrats in the midterm? I mean that's 67 00:03:59,040 --> 00:04:02,600 Speaker 1: effectively what is law rambling incoherent question and mountitude. So 68 00:04:02,640 --> 00:04:05,760 Speaker 1: basically like, weigh in on this hot culture war topic 69 00:04:06,160 --> 00:04:09,840 Speaker 1: that you've never said anything about and what the political 70 00:04:09,840 --> 00:04:11,840 Speaker 1: implications are going to be, And John Stewart is just 71 00:04:11,880 --> 00:04:14,960 Speaker 1: basically like this question you just asked me is the 72 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:20,680 Speaker 1: whole problem with journalism because rather than even asking about, well, 73 00:04:20,680 --> 00:04:22,600 Speaker 1: what do you actually think about how children should be 74 00:04:22,680 --> 00:04:24,440 Speaker 1: taught and what do you think about, you know, the 75 00:04:24,480 --> 00:04:26,760 Speaker 1: content of their education? As if John Stewart would be 76 00:04:26,800 --> 00:04:29,560 Speaker 1: the expert that you would consult on this anyway, it's 77 00:04:29,720 --> 00:04:34,120 Speaker 1: all framed through this partisan political lens. And then the 78 00:04:34,120 --> 00:04:36,000 Speaker 1: second part that he talks about there with like the 79 00:04:36,080 --> 00:04:39,640 Speaker 1: Karens and the mass and whatever the viral video clip 80 00:04:39,720 --> 00:04:42,880 Speaker 1: is what he's getting at there is rather than focusing 81 00:04:42,920 --> 00:04:47,440 Speaker 1: on either like the information itself about hey, here's why 82 00:04:47,520 --> 00:04:50,159 Speaker 1: masks are important or here's the what the research shows 83 00:04:50,200 --> 00:04:52,919 Speaker 1: about whether they work or not, it's got to go 84 00:04:53,000 --> 00:04:56,400 Speaker 1: to that culture war flash point. And of course it's 85 00:04:56,400 --> 00:05:00,600 Speaker 1: all directed at the individual people versus any of the 86 00:05:00,680 --> 00:05:05,440 Speaker 1: systemic or structural institutions that you know, led to people 87 00:05:05,520 --> 00:05:07,839 Speaker 1: having a variety of views, some of them accurate and 88 00:05:07,880 --> 00:05:09,240 Speaker 1: some of them in act. I love how he talks 89 00:05:09,240 --> 00:05:11,680 Speaker 1: about the conflict lines. He's exactly right. And we how 90 00:05:11,680 --> 00:05:14,240 Speaker 1: many times have we talked about this about the reconciliation package. 91 00:05:14,279 --> 00:05:16,920 Speaker 1: They're at one point five trillion versus two Like, what 92 00:05:16,960 --> 00:05:19,640 Speaker 1: does that mean? What does that mean? Yeah? Pure Like 93 00:05:19,960 --> 00:05:23,080 Speaker 1: what is in that five hundred billion? Where I come from? 94 00:05:23,120 --> 00:05:24,800 Speaker 1: Five hundred billion? That it's a lot of money? What 95 00:05:24,960 --> 00:05:27,080 Speaker 1: just got cut? What's not getting cut? What's in it? 96 00:05:27,120 --> 00:05:30,080 Speaker 1: What's not in it? What does this even mean to you? Whatsoever? 97 00:05:30,160 --> 00:05:33,000 Speaker 1: This is why nobody in DC, including the media, know 98 00:05:33,320 --> 00:05:36,960 Speaker 1: how to actually communicate. We're talking earlier this week about 99 00:05:37,560 --> 00:05:40,880 Speaker 1: the strike, the great Resignation, the strikes and all of that, 100 00:05:40,960 --> 00:05:44,479 Speaker 1: and it's almost entirely a blue collar phenomenon, which is 101 00:05:44,520 --> 00:05:48,240 Speaker 1: why it's if it is discussed, it's like aliens, you know, 102 00:05:48,320 --> 00:05:51,479 Speaker 1: who are acting in a way that we must analyze. 103 00:05:51,760 --> 00:05:54,800 Speaker 1: And if it's not, it's because they're doing stuff about 104 00:05:55,080 --> 00:05:59,640 Speaker 1: January sixth or you know, some other stupid Beltway type topic. 105 00:06:00,480 --> 00:06:02,640 Speaker 1: He's exactly right, which is they only know how to 106 00:06:02,680 --> 00:06:06,120 Speaker 1: cover stuff with the conflict line. And actually there is 107 00:06:06,160 --> 00:06:09,360 Speaker 1: a real conflict line. We covered about Starbucks, right, there's 108 00:06:09,360 --> 00:06:14,080 Speaker 1: a conflict line between management and the bosses and the workers. 109 00:06:14,160 --> 00:06:17,560 Speaker 1: But they don't know how you're not interested in that. 110 00:06:17,560 --> 00:06:21,880 Speaker 1: That conflict line is not just uninteresting to them, but 111 00:06:21,960 --> 00:06:24,919 Speaker 1: it's a problem for them and for the narrative that 112 00:06:24,960 --> 00:06:27,640 Speaker 1: they're you know, trying to sell on a daily basis, 113 00:06:27,720 --> 00:06:31,240 Speaker 1: so always interesting. I'm not sure Jake Tapper really understood 114 00:06:31,240 --> 00:06:34,440 Speaker 1: what pointed criticism that was and what a total rejection him. 115 00:06:34,440 --> 00:06:37,640 Speaker 1: He was like, he's like, screw your bullshit. Yeah, of 116 00:06:37,680 --> 00:06:39,839 Speaker 1: the segment that he ultimately wanted to take them in. 117 00:06:40,040 --> 00:06:43,800 Speaker 1: But I've definitely missed Johnster. I went back and watched 118 00:06:43,960 --> 00:06:48,680 Speaker 1: a bunch of Daily old Daily Show, and he's been 119 00:06:48,760 --> 00:06:51,599 Speaker 1: missed because I think he is a very astute observer 120 00:06:51,920 --> 00:06:55,159 Speaker 1: and also very effective advocate for the causes that he 121 00:06:55,240 --> 00:07:00,680 Speaker 1: takes on. But man, watching old Colbert and when he 122 00:07:00,760 --> 00:07:03,679 Speaker 1: was a correspondent on The Daily Show and to see 123 00:07:03,720 --> 00:07:08,080 Speaker 1: how far he's fallen and how tremendously unfunny and cringe 124 00:07:08,120 --> 00:07:12,240 Speaker 1: he is now is definitely sad. It's a tragedy, honestly. Hey, 125 00:07:12,280 --> 00:07:15,840 Speaker 1: So remember how we told you how awesome premium membership was. Well, 126 00:07:15,880 --> 00:07:18,000 Speaker 1: here we are again to remind you that becoming a 127 00:07:18,040 --> 00:07:20,720 Speaker 1: premium member means you don't have to listen to our 128 00:07:20,760 --> 00:07:23,600 Speaker 1: constant please for you to subscribe. So what are you 129 00:07:23,600 --> 00:07:26,200 Speaker 1: waiting for? Become a premium member today by going to 130 00:07:26,280 --> 00:07:28,640 Speaker 1: Breakingpoints dot com, which you can click on in the 131 00:07:28,640 --> 00:07:32,840 Speaker 1: show notes. Time for our weekly segment in partnership with 132 00:07:32,880 --> 00:07:36,720 Speaker 1: the Daily Poster, highlighting their original journalism. Joining us. Now 133 00:07:36,760 --> 00:07:39,040 Speaker 1: we have the founder of Daily Poster, David Starata. Great 134 00:07:39,040 --> 00:07:41,880 Speaker 1: to see David, to see you, David, good morning. So 135 00:07:41,960 --> 00:07:45,200 Speaker 1: you have an interesting piece out right now with regards 136 00:07:45,200 --> 00:07:49,680 Speaker 1: to the Reconciliation Bill and where we're at. I personally 137 00:07:49,680 --> 00:07:53,040 Speaker 1: think the Biden proposal is total trash. You are calling 138 00:07:53,200 --> 00:07:58,320 Speaker 1: on the administration to call the bluff of Mansion Cinema 139 00:07:58,440 --> 00:08:00,640 Speaker 1: and all of the other people who are more quietly 140 00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:03,000 Speaker 1: dragging their heels as throw this tear sheet up on 141 00:08:03,040 --> 00:08:07,360 Speaker 1: the screen. You say, call their bluff right now. It's 142 00:08:07,400 --> 00:08:11,120 Speaker 1: time for democratic leaders to make Mansion, Cinema and every 143 00:08:11,160 --> 00:08:14,360 Speaker 1: other senator vote and not on some gutted half measure, 144 00:08:14,440 --> 00:08:17,600 Speaker 1: but on a real three and a half trillion dollar bill. 145 00:08:17,680 --> 00:08:22,800 Speaker 1: Explain your thinking there, Well, look, we've seen the negotiations 146 00:08:22,800 --> 00:08:26,040 Speaker 1: whittle down this bill. It looks like it's going to 147 00:08:26,080 --> 00:08:29,040 Speaker 1: almost nothing. I mean, it started out. Bernie Sanders said 148 00:08:29,040 --> 00:08:30,960 Speaker 1: it should have been ten trillions, so he started out 149 00:08:30,960 --> 00:08:33,640 Speaker 1: at six trillion. Joe Manchin said he could accept four 150 00:08:33,679 --> 00:08:36,439 Speaker 1: trillion dollars of spending. Then it went to three point 151 00:08:36,440 --> 00:08:40,760 Speaker 1: five trillion, then it went to one point nine trillion, 152 00:08:40,880 --> 00:08:45,120 Speaker 1: then Mansion said it's one point five trillion. Point being 153 00:08:45,480 --> 00:08:51,000 Speaker 1: that the delays continue to result in exactly what Mansion 154 00:08:51,120 --> 00:08:55,600 Speaker 1: and Cinema and other Democratic conservative Democrats what their donors want, 155 00:08:55,640 --> 00:08:59,200 Speaker 1: which is basically a bill that is gutted or killed. 156 00:08:59,559 --> 00:09:02,520 Speaker 1: We wrote about this back in August, which is what 157 00:09:02,559 --> 00:09:05,120 Speaker 1: we said was that what was probably going to happen 158 00:09:05,200 --> 00:09:07,200 Speaker 1: is that the House progressives who are saying that they're 159 00:09:07,200 --> 00:09:10,040 Speaker 1: going to hold out if they don't make their demands 160 00:09:10,120 --> 00:09:14,040 Speaker 1: explicitly clear what exactly they want in a reconciliation bill, 161 00:09:14,400 --> 00:09:17,800 Speaker 1: then likely you will see a process where the Democratic 162 00:09:17,880 --> 00:09:21,720 Speaker 1: leadership guts that bill. It just keeps hollowing it out. 163 00:09:21,960 --> 00:09:25,040 Speaker 1: And you've seen Mansion and Cinema make periodic statements through 164 00:09:25,040 --> 00:09:27,120 Speaker 1: the press, Oh we don't like the tax provisions. Oh 165 00:09:27,120 --> 00:09:29,319 Speaker 1: we don't like the pharmaceutical provisions. Oh we don't like 166 00:09:29,360 --> 00:09:32,320 Speaker 1: the climate provisions. And every time they make it a 167 00:09:32,360 --> 00:09:36,840 Speaker 1: declaration like that, the White House and Congress go to 168 00:09:36,880 --> 00:09:39,600 Speaker 1: work on hacking apart the bill. So the point is, 169 00:09:39,760 --> 00:09:43,280 Speaker 1: instead of engaging in that process, instead of engaging in 170 00:09:43,320 --> 00:09:46,320 Speaker 1: what is obviously a deliberate game, a game that Mansion 171 00:09:46,360 --> 00:09:50,079 Speaker 1: and Cinema and their donors want to play, stop playing 172 00:09:50,120 --> 00:09:53,560 Speaker 1: that game and put a real bill on the floor 173 00:09:53,840 --> 00:09:57,000 Speaker 1: and simply have a vote. Now that doesn't guarantee that 174 00:09:57,040 --> 00:10:00,400 Speaker 1: Mansion and Cinema will vote for a good bill, but 175 00:10:00,480 --> 00:10:03,200 Speaker 1: it basically puts them on the spot in a way 176 00:10:03,400 --> 00:10:05,599 Speaker 1: that they're not on the spot right now. They have 177 00:10:05,679 --> 00:10:07,520 Speaker 1: the best of both worlds right now. They get to 178 00:10:07,720 --> 00:10:11,319 Speaker 1: make these declarations through the press, have the bill get 179 00:10:11,360 --> 00:10:16,000 Speaker 1: watered down, have Democrats essentially negotiate against themselves and never 180 00:10:16,120 --> 00:10:19,120 Speaker 1: have to actually face an upper down vote. You know, 181 00:10:19,480 --> 00:10:21,960 Speaker 1: there's one idea there to have an upper down vote. 182 00:10:21,960 --> 00:10:24,040 Speaker 1: Put a bunch of stuff in there for Arizona and 183 00:10:24,080 --> 00:10:29,120 Speaker 1: West Virginia and try to dare them to explicitly vote against, 184 00:10:29,520 --> 00:10:32,800 Speaker 1: you know, major investments in their own state. And the 185 00:10:32,800 --> 00:10:36,440 Speaker 1: fact that the Democratic leadership hasn't done this is really 186 00:10:36,480 --> 00:10:40,680 Speaker 1: a signal that it's not necessarily all that serious about 187 00:10:40,800 --> 00:10:43,439 Speaker 1: actually passing a real bill. This is something that the 188 00:10:43,480 --> 00:10:46,400 Speaker 1: Democratic leadership could do right now, and it's been going 189 00:10:46,440 --> 00:10:49,920 Speaker 1: on for weeks and weeks, if not months, and they 190 00:10:49,960 --> 00:10:52,280 Speaker 1: have refused to do this. Yeah, that was my next 191 00:10:52,360 --> 00:10:54,560 Speaker 1: question is why don't they just try something like this? 192 00:10:54,640 --> 00:10:57,280 Speaker 1: I mean, we've seen threats from Nancy Pelosi about final 193 00:10:57,360 --> 00:10:58,800 Speaker 1: just put stuff on the floor. If you really are 194 00:10:58,840 --> 00:11:00,800 Speaker 1: going to do it, then go ahead. You know, usually 195 00:11:00,840 --> 00:11:03,680 Speaker 1: does seem to work out. Why are the White House 196 00:11:03,720 --> 00:11:06,000 Speaker 1: and the Democratic leadership in the Senate, I mean, do 197 00:11:06,080 --> 00:11:08,040 Speaker 1: they just really believe that they won't vote for it 198 00:11:08,160 --> 00:11:10,440 Speaker 1: or are they just not having the political coverage from 199 00:11:10,440 --> 00:11:12,880 Speaker 1: Biden to say that this is a tactic they're willing 200 00:11:12,920 --> 00:11:18,040 Speaker 1: to pursue. My guess is that they're afraid that Cinema 201 00:11:18,080 --> 00:11:20,880 Speaker 1: and Mansion and a couple others will vote the bill down. 202 00:11:20,920 --> 00:11:22,440 Speaker 1: Now we're led to believe that that would be the 203 00:11:22,480 --> 00:11:24,720 Speaker 1: worst tragedy in the world. But of course we've seen 204 00:11:24,760 --> 00:11:26,920 Speaker 1: time and time again bills get voted down, they get 205 00:11:26,920 --> 00:11:30,640 Speaker 1: brought back up. That's not really a big deal, and 206 00:11:30,640 --> 00:11:33,320 Speaker 1: that's not really an excuse. It doesn't hold water. You 207 00:11:33,360 --> 00:11:36,520 Speaker 1: can keep bringing up a bill to have a vote. 208 00:11:36,559 --> 00:11:39,560 Speaker 1: That I mean, Democrats control the schedule, they control the Congress, 209 00:11:39,840 --> 00:11:43,160 Speaker 1: so to me, my guess is they're somewhat afraid of 210 00:11:43,200 --> 00:11:45,760 Speaker 1: the political fallout from that. I also think though, that 211 00:11:46,000 --> 00:11:49,679 Speaker 1: the Democratic Party has a culture of conflict, aversion inside 212 00:11:49,679 --> 00:11:53,440 Speaker 1: of its party that it doesn't like to put pressure 213 00:11:53,880 --> 00:11:56,920 Speaker 1: on members of its own party, which is very different, 214 00:11:57,040 --> 00:11:59,440 Speaker 1: by the way, from the Republican Party. You've seen Donald Trump, 215 00:11:59,480 --> 00:12:01,880 Speaker 1: you know, press members of his party when he was 216 00:12:01,920 --> 00:12:04,760 Speaker 1: president to actually pass things. But I also think there's 217 00:12:04,760 --> 00:12:09,679 Speaker 1: potentially something even more nefarious going on, which ultimately it 218 00:12:09,760 --> 00:12:13,600 Speaker 1: does raise the question if you're not willing to actually 219 00:12:13,679 --> 00:12:17,800 Speaker 1: play hardball for an agenda that you the president says 220 00:12:17,840 --> 00:12:20,640 Speaker 1: that he is for, If you're not willing to actually 221 00:12:21,360 --> 00:12:25,240 Speaker 1: force some votes, for instance, or really go campaign in 222 00:12:25,320 --> 00:12:29,000 Speaker 1: these states for your bill, it kind of suggests that 223 00:12:29,080 --> 00:12:32,240 Speaker 1: you're not really willing to fight for your bill. That 224 00:12:32,400 --> 00:12:36,400 Speaker 1: perhaps you don't mind the bill being watered down. I mean, 225 00:12:36,480 --> 00:12:39,320 Speaker 1: let's be clear, what you have going on here is 226 00:12:39,400 --> 00:12:43,760 Speaker 1: Mansion and Cinema and Bob Menendez on the pharmaceutical stuff, 227 00:12:43,920 --> 00:12:47,440 Speaker 1: and probably a bunch of others on various things. They 228 00:12:47,480 --> 00:12:53,680 Speaker 1: are essentially helping the Democratic Party's donors, they're big corporate donors, 229 00:12:54,000 --> 00:12:57,160 Speaker 1: get rid of what those corporate donors don't want. And 230 00:12:57,200 --> 00:13:01,320 Speaker 1: so there's a rotating villain kind of phenomenon here where yes, 231 00:13:01,360 --> 00:13:05,120 Speaker 1: it's Mansion and Cinema, Menendez. But the point is is 232 00:13:05,160 --> 00:13:09,320 Speaker 1: that they're kind of all colluding to allow this bill 233 00:13:09,640 --> 00:13:13,080 Speaker 1: to get cut and withered away, and it raises the 234 00:13:13,160 --> 00:13:18,320 Speaker 1: question is that actually what Democratic Party leaders really want? 235 00:13:18,400 --> 00:13:21,520 Speaker 1: Because if they didn't really want that, they have tools 236 00:13:21,559 --> 00:13:24,480 Speaker 1: at their disposal, like, for instance, forcing a vote to 237 00:13:24,600 --> 00:13:28,760 Speaker 1: actually try to up the ante and get this bill passed. 238 00:13:29,600 --> 00:13:33,400 Speaker 1: I mean, I think a data point that would argue 239 00:13:33,800 --> 00:13:36,520 Speaker 1: for that view of the world is that I was 240 00:13:36,520 --> 00:13:38,840 Speaker 1: asking Jeff Steine a couple of weeks ago. Of course, 241 00:13:38,920 --> 00:13:41,120 Speaker 1: washing Post Economics reporter we have on all the time, 242 00:13:41,720 --> 00:13:44,880 Speaker 1: what are Biden's actual priorities in this bill? Because I 243 00:13:44,880 --> 00:13:46,280 Speaker 1: could tell you, you know, I could tell you what 244 00:13:46,320 --> 00:13:48,840 Speaker 1: Bernie really cares about. I could tell you what any 245 00:13:48,880 --> 00:13:51,880 Speaker 1: number of Congress members of Congress really care about within 246 00:13:51,920 --> 00:13:54,600 Speaker 1: this bill, and I really couldn't tell you what the 247 00:13:54,640 --> 00:13:58,080 Speaker 1: President of the United States prioritizes in this bill. His 248 00:13:58,240 --> 00:14:00,960 Speaker 1: response to me was that it seems like community college 249 00:14:01,000 --> 00:14:03,880 Speaker 1: piece was actually really important to him, and he brought 250 00:14:03,880 --> 00:14:06,040 Speaker 1: it up a bunch of times, et cetera. And then 251 00:14:06,040 --> 00:14:08,600 Speaker 1: we get this proposal and the community college, yece, is 252 00:14:08,640 --> 00:14:12,160 Speaker 1: totally gone. So that would argue that even the part 253 00:14:12,160 --> 00:14:14,920 Speaker 1: that he was like the most enthusiastic about, he just 254 00:14:15,000 --> 00:14:18,640 Speaker 1: casually dispenses with that. Perhaps the only thing they truly 255 00:14:18,720 --> 00:14:21,120 Speaker 1: care about in any of this is getting a quote 256 00:14:21,200 --> 00:14:25,280 Speaker 1: unquote win, regardless if that win is, you know, twenty 257 00:14:25,320 --> 00:14:28,560 Speaker 1: five dollars in a a new one, new college scholarship, 258 00:14:28,640 --> 00:14:30,520 Speaker 1: or whatever. It is, just so that they can say, look, 259 00:14:30,600 --> 00:14:33,360 Speaker 1: we passed something and we got some bipartisan support on 260 00:14:33,400 --> 00:14:36,640 Speaker 1: our infrastructure deal. You're absolutely right. I mean, this is 261 00:14:36,920 --> 00:14:40,880 Speaker 1: very very ancient Washington thinking. As long as we get 262 00:14:41,000 --> 00:14:43,640 Speaker 1: something called a deal, a piece of paper that we 263 00:14:43,680 --> 00:14:45,960 Speaker 1: can wave around and say, hey, we got a deal, 264 00:14:46,320 --> 00:14:49,760 Speaker 1: that's the only thing in their mind it seems to matter. 265 00:14:50,080 --> 00:14:52,880 Speaker 1: But What I would argue is is that what really 266 00:14:52,920 --> 00:14:57,960 Speaker 1: matters is are you materially improving people's lives as quickly 267 00:14:58,080 --> 00:15:01,960 Speaker 1: as possible that the thing that gives you the best 268 00:15:02,080 --> 00:15:06,000 Speaker 1: chance to actually, for instance, win the midterm elections. That 269 00:15:06,320 --> 00:15:08,720 Speaker 1: running around saying look at this great deal that we got, 270 00:15:09,120 --> 00:15:13,080 Speaker 1: and having that deal not actually deliver real material gains 271 00:15:13,080 --> 00:15:16,160 Speaker 1: for people that they can feel, tangible gains that voters 272 00:15:16,160 --> 00:15:19,960 Speaker 1: can feel, actually makes your political problem even worse because 273 00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:22,320 Speaker 1: then you're running around saying, look at this huge victory 274 00:15:22,400 --> 00:15:25,760 Speaker 1: we got, and people are saying, I don't know what 275 00:15:25,760 --> 00:15:29,480 Speaker 1: you're talking about. I don't feel it. You're basically not 276 00:15:29,640 --> 00:15:32,280 Speaker 1: telling me the truth. And so I think what's gone 277 00:15:32,280 --> 00:15:36,240 Speaker 1: on is that the Biden administration seems not really to 278 00:15:36,480 --> 00:15:42,280 Speaker 1: appreciate that, not really focused on that, doesn't really value that, 279 00:15:42,600 --> 00:15:46,760 Speaker 1: and it's really again it goes back to a Washington 280 00:15:46,880 --> 00:15:49,880 Speaker 1: way of thinking, where a deal, no matter what's in it, 281 00:15:49,880 --> 00:15:51,840 Speaker 1: seems to matter the most. But I would also add 282 00:15:51,880 --> 00:15:55,480 Speaker 1: one other thing. It also speaks to the Democratic parties, 283 00:15:55,480 --> 00:15:59,760 Speaker 1: the fundamental contradiction in the Democratic Party which creates so 284 00:15:59,800 --> 00:16:03,400 Speaker 1: many problems for the party, which is trying to appease 285 00:16:03,520 --> 00:16:08,720 Speaker 1: big corporate donors and trying to deliver real material games 286 00:16:09,000 --> 00:16:13,720 Speaker 1: to regular people. Those two things are often directly in conflict. 287 00:16:14,000 --> 00:16:17,080 Speaker 1: And if you try to not pick a side, you're 288 00:16:17,160 --> 00:16:19,720 Speaker 1: effectively going to pick a side, and you're going to 289 00:16:19,760 --> 00:16:22,160 Speaker 1: pick a side of standing with your corporate donors, which 290 00:16:22,200 --> 00:16:24,040 Speaker 1: is going to piss a lot of people off. Yeah, 291 00:16:24,080 --> 00:16:26,280 Speaker 1: because they at the status quol was good for them. 292 00:16:26,520 --> 00:16:28,720 Speaker 1: They benefit for the status course, So if nothing happens, 293 00:16:28,840 --> 00:16:34,040 Speaker 1: great for them, David. Lastly, what would you advise progressives who, 294 00:16:34,120 --> 00:16:36,760 Speaker 1: to their credit, you know, one in early sort of 295 00:16:36,960 --> 00:16:39,640 Speaker 1: minor victory in this game of chicken, force people back 296 00:16:39,680 --> 00:16:41,760 Speaker 1: to the negotiating table, et cetera, et cetera. They've long 297 00:16:41,800 --> 00:16:44,840 Speaker 1: said no climate, no deal. How would you advise them 298 00:16:44,880 --> 00:16:48,200 Speaker 1: to play their cards at this point? Well, it's what 299 00:16:48,560 --> 00:16:51,680 Speaker 1: I said back in August and it remains the case today. 300 00:16:52,280 --> 00:16:57,600 Speaker 1: Make your demands extremely clear. Whatever those demands are, whatever 301 00:16:57,640 --> 00:16:59,600 Speaker 1: those lines in the sand are, they should have made 302 00:16:59,600 --> 00:17:03,080 Speaker 1: those demands to my view months ago that the best 303 00:17:03,120 --> 00:17:06,399 Speaker 1: negotiating strategy, in my view, is to make your demands 304 00:17:06,480 --> 00:17:10,639 Speaker 1: transparent and clear early on, and make clear that you 305 00:17:10,720 --> 00:17:13,560 Speaker 1: are not going to back away from those demands. Those 306 00:17:13,600 --> 00:17:16,080 Speaker 1: demands being what programs do you want in this bill? 307 00:17:16,119 --> 00:17:18,560 Speaker 1: What regulations do you want in this bill? What are 308 00:17:18,600 --> 00:17:22,520 Speaker 1: the actual numbers here? Don't use vague terms like robust. 309 00:17:22,640 --> 00:17:24,879 Speaker 1: That's the problem. The progressives have said, we're going to 310 00:17:24,960 --> 00:17:28,480 Speaker 1: hold out for a robust bill, but that is an 311 00:17:28,600 --> 00:17:32,000 Speaker 1: undefined term. And when you don't define that term, it 312 00:17:32,040 --> 00:17:35,720 Speaker 1: allows your opponents to keep whittling away and say, hey, listen, 313 00:17:35,760 --> 00:17:38,560 Speaker 1: you haven't made exactly clear what you really want, so 314 00:17:38,600 --> 00:17:42,240 Speaker 1: they need to make clear exactly what they want. That's 315 00:17:42,280 --> 00:17:44,600 Speaker 1: a really good point. Yep. Great to have you, David. 316 00:17:44,960 --> 00:17:48,159 Speaker 1: Tell people where they can go and subscribe and support 317 00:17:48,160 --> 00:17:50,720 Speaker 1: the work that you're doing. Most importantly, you can find 318 00:17:50,760 --> 00:17:53,880 Speaker 1: our work at Dailyposter dot com and we would love 319 00:17:53,920 --> 00:17:56,359 Speaker 1: to have everybody come check out our work and be 320 00:17:56,400 --> 00:17:58,960 Speaker 1: a subscriber. Yeah, I think you should. We rely on 321 00:17:59,000 --> 00:18:01,640 Speaker 1: you guys all the time. One partnership with you. Thank you, David, 322 00:18:01,680 --> 00:18:04,000 Speaker 1: appreciate it. Great to see you, David. Great to see you. 323 00:18:04,040 --> 00:18:06,120 Speaker 1: Thanks to both of you. Wow, you guys must really 324 00:18:06,160 --> 00:18:08,240 Speaker 1: like listening to our voices. Well, I know this is annoying. 325 00:18:08,280 --> 00:18:10,920 Speaker 1: Instead of making you listen to a Viagra commercial. When 326 00:18:10,920 --> 00:18:13,080 Speaker 1: you're done, check out the other podcast I do with 327 00:18:13,119 --> 00:18:15,720 Speaker 1: Marshal Kasloff called The Realignment. We talk a lot about 328 00:18:15,720 --> 00:18:19,080 Speaker 1: the deeper issues that are changing, realigning in American society. 329 00:18:19,240 --> 00:18:21,520 Speaker 1: You always need more crystal and soag in your daily lives. 330 00:18:21,640 --> 00:18:25,600 Speaker 1: Take care, guys. Been a little bit of an ongoing war, 331 00:18:26,040 --> 00:18:27,760 Speaker 1: a bit of a Cold war. I guess you'd say, 332 00:18:27,800 --> 00:18:30,840 Speaker 1: between Bernie Sanders at War see and anything is the 333 00:18:30,880 --> 00:18:35,000 Speaker 1: hot walk, We'll go with that, Okay. So it all 334 00:18:35,040 --> 00:18:38,879 Speaker 1: started when Bernie put on the statement calling out the 335 00:18:38,960 --> 00:18:42,960 Speaker 1: media for their absolutely abysmal coverage of what is in 336 00:18:43,000 --> 00:18:46,320 Speaker 1: the Reconciliation Bill. Let's throw that tear sheet up on 337 00:18:46,359 --> 00:18:49,240 Speaker 1: the screen with some of the details here. Sanders blames 338 00:18:49,280 --> 00:18:52,960 Speaker 1: media for Americans not knowing details of Biden's spending plan. 339 00:18:53,400 --> 00:18:54,879 Speaker 1: Part of what he says I wish I could do 340 00:18:54,880 --> 00:18:56,919 Speaker 1: a good burning voice is, he says, the reality that 341 00:18:56,960 --> 00:18:59,600 Speaker 1: the mainstream media has done exceptionally poor job and covering 342 00:18:59,600 --> 00:19:02,399 Speaker 1: what actually in the legislation. There have been endless stories 343 00:19:02,440 --> 00:19:04,880 Speaker 1: about the politics of passing Build back Better, the role 344 00:19:04,920 --> 00:19:06,560 Speaker 1: of the President's conflicts in the House and the Senate, 345 00:19:06,600 --> 00:19:08,199 Speaker 1: the opposition of two sentators, the size of the bill, 346 00:19:08,240 --> 00:19:11,399 Speaker 1: et cetera, but very limited coverage as to what the 347 00:19:11,400 --> 00:19:14,560 Speaker 1: provisions of the bill are and the crises for working 348 00:19:14,600 --> 00:19:18,120 Speaker 1: people that they address. Obviously, this is something that failure 349 00:19:18,160 --> 00:19:20,000 Speaker 1: of the media is something we have discussed here, and 350 00:19:20,040 --> 00:19:22,880 Speaker 1: we've also tried to bring you the actual details of 351 00:19:22,920 --> 00:19:26,320 Speaker 1: the bill since apparently very few other places are going 352 00:19:26,359 --> 00:19:28,880 Speaker 1: to Oh, why it's so difficult. Not that difficult, guys, 353 00:19:28,920 --> 00:19:34,040 Speaker 1: really not that difficult. So one CNN anchor didn't take 354 00:19:34,080 --> 00:19:39,000 Speaker 1: too kindly to Bernie, daring to smirch the good name 355 00:19:39,280 --> 00:19:44,800 Speaker 1: of the media in outlets like CNN. Brianna Keeler put 356 00:19:44,840 --> 00:19:48,199 Speaker 1: on this tweet. She was like, it's blame media a 357 00:19:48,280 --> 00:19:51,879 Speaker 1: clock and Bernie Sanders is right on time. And she 358 00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:57,840 Speaker 1: did a whole lengthy segment trying to take apart Bernie's criticism. 359 00:19:58,040 --> 00:20:00,440 Speaker 1: How dare he of CNN and other outlets. Let's take 360 00:20:00,440 --> 00:20:03,360 Speaker 1: a little listen to what she had to say. Senator 361 00:20:03,359 --> 00:20:06,840 Speaker 1: Bernie Sanders put out a statement this weekend blaming the 362 00:20:06,880 --> 00:20:09,919 Speaker 1: media as the main reason for why Americans don't know 363 00:20:09,960 --> 00:20:13,000 Speaker 1: what's in the build back Better Plan. He wrote, quote 364 00:20:13,000 --> 00:20:15,719 Speaker 1: at the top of the list is the reality that 365 00:20:15,760 --> 00:20:18,959 Speaker 1: the mainstream media has done an exceptionally poor job in 366 00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:21,960 Speaker 1: covering what actually is in the legislation. There have been 367 00:20:22,080 --> 00:20:25,600 Speaker 1: endless stories about the politics of passing Build Back Better, 368 00:20:25,920 --> 00:20:28,399 Speaker 1: the role of the President, the conflicts in the House 369 00:20:28,400 --> 00:20:31,560 Speaker 1: and Senate, the opposition of two senators, the size of 370 00:20:31,600 --> 00:20:34,359 Speaker 1: the bill, and very limited coverage as to what the 371 00:20:34,400 --> 00:20:37,080 Speaker 1: provisions of the bill are and the crises for working 372 00:20:37,160 --> 00:20:40,800 Speaker 1: people that they address. Let's take a look at what 373 00:20:40,960 --> 00:20:43,080 Speaker 1: all he is saying here, because while the media should 374 00:20:43,119 --> 00:20:45,879 Speaker 1: always be striving to do a better job, it's just 375 00:20:45,920 --> 00:20:48,760 Speaker 1: not true that the media hasn't covered what is in 376 00:20:48,800 --> 00:20:52,199 Speaker 1: the bill and doesn't continue to do so. Media outlet 377 00:20:52,359 --> 00:20:55,800 Speaker 1: after media outlet has covered this, and it's very easy 378 00:20:55,840 --> 00:20:58,199 Speaker 1: to find online if you want to know about it, 379 00:20:58,280 --> 00:21:01,320 Speaker 1: and on television, I mean just looking at DNN segment 380 00:21:01,480 --> 00:21:05,480 Speaker 1: after segment about what is in the bill. In his statement, 381 00:21:05,520 --> 00:21:08,720 Speaker 1: Sanders refers to how popular the policy provisions in the 382 00:21:08,800 --> 00:21:12,280 Speaker 1: legislation are when Americans are pulled about them. So that's 383 00:21:12,600 --> 00:21:16,000 Speaker 1: what Democrats obviously should be selling. But one of Sanders' 384 00:21:16,040 --> 00:21:19,199 Speaker 1: former colleagues, Al Franken, says Democrats could be doing a 385 00:21:19,240 --> 00:21:23,679 Speaker 1: better job of that. There is so much in this 386 00:21:23,880 --> 00:21:26,679 Speaker 1: package that and what I don't like is when we 387 00:21:26,760 --> 00:21:30,119 Speaker 1: refer to it as the reconciliation package instead of the 388 00:21:30,160 --> 00:21:35,040 Speaker 1: elements of it. Because the elements are so popular, we 389 00:21:35,119 --> 00:21:38,239 Speaker 1: can't do it without the reconciliation package. At the end 390 00:21:38,320 --> 00:21:40,720 Speaker 1: of the day, I am absolutely convinced we're going to 391 00:21:40,800 --> 00:21:43,640 Speaker 1: have a strong infrastructure bill and we're going to have 392 00:21:43,760 --> 00:21:48,560 Speaker 1: a great consequential reconciliation bill which addresses the needs of 393 00:21:48,600 --> 00:21:52,639 Speaker 1: the American people. Let's talk about Sanders complaint that the 394 00:21:52,680 --> 00:21:56,800 Speaker 1: media focuses a lot on how much the bill will cost. Well, guilty, 395 00:21:57,000 --> 00:22:00,320 Speaker 1: but the price tag matters. That price tag determines what 396 00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:03,639 Speaker 1: will be in the bill of those policy provisions, and 397 00:22:03,720 --> 00:22:07,800 Speaker 1: Democrats cannot agree on the price tag. It's the sticking point. 398 00:22:09,320 --> 00:22:12,320 Speaker 1: So effectively, you got Bernie saying media isn't really covering 399 00:22:12,320 --> 00:22:15,160 Speaker 1: the substance here, Brianna Kailer saying, of course we are. Look, 400 00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:19,000 Speaker 1: here's some screenshots that show the media covering. Okay, So 401 00:22:19,680 --> 00:22:22,880 Speaker 1: Adam Johnson and his colleague Gabe Levine dries An over 402 00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:26,720 Speaker 1: at the column Substack did a little analysis on CNN 403 00:22:27,160 --> 00:22:30,280 Speaker 1: fine coverage of the reconciliation bill socker, and you would 404 00:22:30,359 --> 00:22:34,679 Speaker 1: be shocked to learn that they spent almost no time 405 00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:38,600 Speaker 1: on the details of what is actually in the bill. 406 00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:40,960 Speaker 1: Here's their headline. We can throw this up on the 407 00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:45,680 Speaker 1: screen on Reconciliation bill, CNN aired horse race coverage eleven 408 00:22:46,160 --> 00:22:50,960 Speaker 1: times more than substance. He says, I surveyed twelve CNN 409 00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:53,960 Speaker 1: segments over four day period. We found it was ninety 410 00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:58,199 Speaker 1: one point three percent horse race. To give you a 411 00:22:58,200 --> 00:23:00,520 Speaker 1: little bit more of the details here say, of the 412 00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:04,359 Speaker 1: two hours and six minutes of total coverage analyzed, ten 413 00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:08,240 Speaker 1: minutes out of that two hours was dedicated to discussing 414 00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:10,439 Speaker 1: what was actually in the bill, an hour and fifty 415 00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:13,000 Speaker 1: five minutes of air time spent on the horse race. 416 00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:15,439 Speaker 1: And oh, by the way, as an aside, most of 417 00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:17,960 Speaker 1: the minutes that were actually spent talking about what was 418 00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:20,280 Speaker 1: in the bill, it was because they had a progressive 419 00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:24,080 Speaker 1: on and that progressive was Bernie or Permeilla Joball or whoever, 420 00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:26,320 Speaker 1: was actually talking about the substance of Well, yeah, this 421 00:23:26,359 --> 00:23:28,879 Speaker 1: reminds me of what John Stewart said on Jake Tapper, 422 00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:31,320 Speaker 1: which we covered earlier this week, which is that he 423 00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:34,119 Speaker 1: pointed to the fact that he's, like, all these guys 424 00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:37,640 Speaker 1: know how to do is cover division and whether it's 425 00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:40,240 Speaker 1: going to be mid terms or not. I have said 426 00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:43,800 Speaker 1: it here so many times. Nobody cares about one one 427 00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:47,119 Speaker 1: trillion dollars of I don't know, like UBI is a 428 00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:49,560 Speaker 1: lot different than a trillion dollars of whatever the hell 429 00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:52,880 Speaker 1: is in this bill, as in the substance of it matters. 430 00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:56,480 Speaker 1: They don't mention that almost ever, It's always about one 431 00:23:56,520 --> 00:23:58,960 Speaker 1: point six versus one point three. What the hell does 432 00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:01,520 Speaker 1: that mean? Why should I care one point through tillion 433 00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:03,720 Speaker 1: dollars what we spent in like Afghanistan? Is that the 434 00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:07,600 Speaker 1: same thing as what's happening here? Absolutely not. And their 435 00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:11,280 Speaker 1: inability in order to try and communicate this is because frankly, 436 00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:14,080 Speaker 1: these people are stupid and the only thing that they 437 00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:17,119 Speaker 1: really know how to cover is polls and whether somebody 438 00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:20,160 Speaker 1: is or down belt weegh drama. That's the only thing 439 00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:22,480 Speaker 1: is the way that they came up through their careers. 440 00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:26,040 Speaker 1: The media is not built or designed in order to 441 00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:28,720 Speaker 1: tell you what is actually going on. Well, and Adam 442 00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:31,720 Speaker 1: points this out, like, just think about the fact CNN 443 00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:37,360 Speaker 1: has so many resources, yeah, billions. They have reporters across 444 00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:40,520 Speaker 1: the country, they have reporters around the world, they have budgets, 445 00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:42,960 Speaker 1: they could fly to a town. They could go to 446 00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:44,960 Speaker 1: that town, they could talk to people there, they could 447 00:24:45,040 --> 00:24:48,520 Speaker 1: think about like, hey, if you had universal pre K 448 00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:50,280 Speaker 1: for your kid, what would that look like? If you 449 00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:54,400 Speaker 1: had options and affordability of elder care for your aging parents? 450 00:24:54,560 --> 00:24:57,280 Speaker 1: What would that mean for your life if you had 451 00:24:57,800 --> 00:25:00,520 Speaker 1: If you young person are able to go to community 452 00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:04,159 Speaker 1: college for free, how does that change your trajectory? Not 453 00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:10,320 Speaker 1: like literally, not one segment like that, not one when 454 00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:14,359 Speaker 1: they have so many resources where they could send people 455 00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:18,560 Speaker 1: out and actually contextualize this and make it real for people. 456 00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:20,840 Speaker 1: And look, I don't want to let the Democratic Party 457 00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:22,600 Speaker 1: off the hook like they've been a church that build 458 00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:25,520 Speaker 1: back better is terrible. They've been atrocious messaging about this. 459 00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:29,280 Speaker 1: They've also gone into this like oh is it three 460 00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:30,680 Speaker 1: and a half or is it one and a haf 461 00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:33,640 Speaker 1: like obsessing over the top line rather than details as well. 462 00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:35,640 Speaker 1: So they could have done a much better job too. 463 00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:37,720 Speaker 1: But that does not let the media off the hook 464 00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:42,199 Speaker 1: here whatsoever. They just I mean, it's almost sociopathic, how 465 00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:45,000 Speaker 1: literally they care about what this bill would actually mean 466 00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:48,359 Speaker 1: to the human beings that would be impacted. And so 467 00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:51,520 Speaker 1: then it's no surprise when you pull people. The thing 468 00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:54,200 Speaker 1: they know most about this bill is what the top 469 00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:56,520 Speaker 1: line number is. Exactly. That's the thing. I mean, that's 470 00:25:56,560 --> 00:25:59,400 Speaker 1: what the poll show. They don't actually know that community 471 00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:01,879 Speaker 1: college is floated now Biden's taken out. They don't know 472 00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:03,960 Speaker 1: about the climate provisions, they don't know about preschool, whether 473 00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:05,679 Speaker 1: they would like those things or hate those things. They 474 00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:08,199 Speaker 1: don't even know that they're there. All they know is 475 00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:12,040 Speaker 1: like this stupid battle over the top line number. And yes, 476 00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:15,600 Speaker 1: that is Brianna Kailer And to all of your colleagues 477 00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:18,320 Speaker 1: at CNN and Fox News and MSNBC as well, that 478 00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:22,040 Speaker 1: is in part you're failing to be able to contextualize 479 00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:24,600 Speaker 1: it and make it real for people so that they 480 00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:27,440 Speaker 1: feel like they have something at stake in these negotiations. Yeah, 481 00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:30,359 Speaker 1: that's exactly right. One more thing I promise. Just wanted 482 00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:33,160 Speaker 1: to make sure you knew about my podcast with Kyle Kolinski. 483 00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:35,640 Speaker 1: It's called Crystal, Kyle and Friends, where we do long 484 00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:38,800 Speaker 1: form interviews with people like Nom Chomsky, Cornell West, and 485 00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:42,640 Speaker 1: Glenn Greenwald. You can listen on any podcast platform, or 486 00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:45,160 Speaker 1: you can subscribe over on substack to get the video 487 00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:47,840 Speaker 1: a day early we're gonna stop bugging you now. Enjoy 488 00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:51,399 Speaker 1: all right, guys, we have sort of dueling stories of 489 00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:55,680 Speaker 1: cancelation for you, both of them pretty interesting, I would say, 490 00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:58,960 Speaker 1: in different ways. So let's throw this Jesse single tweet 491 00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:02,600 Speaker 1: up on the screen. And turns out Nicole Hannah Jones 492 00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:07,239 Speaker 1: of sixteen nineteen fame her talk was canceled by a 493 00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:11,439 Speaker 1: prep school because she was too controversial. So apparently what 494 00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:14,160 Speaker 1: happened here is she was invited to speak to this 495 00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:20,720 Speaker 1: like boarding Northeastern Middlesex boarding school. Yeah, fancy place as 496 00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:23,680 Speaker 1: in conjunction with Black History Month. A friend had asked her, 497 00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:27,360 Speaker 1: so she said yes, She's all set to go, and 498 00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:30,399 Speaker 1: then the board contacts her and is like, oh, we 499 00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:34,560 Speaker 1: think it would be too controversial and might cause too 500 00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:37,280 Speaker 1: much stress and too much tension, so we think it'd 501 00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:41,040 Speaker 1: be better if you ultimately not come. So this is 502 00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:43,359 Speaker 1: interesting for a couple of reasons. So, first of all, 503 00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:46,640 Speaker 1: Nicole Hannah Jones had a whole threat on Twitter explaining 504 00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:48,720 Speaker 1: her feelings about it. She wanted to make it very 505 00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:50,760 Speaker 1: clear that she did not feel that she was canceled 506 00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:54,840 Speaker 1: because she still has her platform, she still can write, 507 00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:57,520 Speaker 1: She's still very prominent. Those are all very good points, 508 00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:00,800 Speaker 1: but I think what it misses is the fact that 509 00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:05,440 Speaker 1: when a controversial topic or controversial person, whether they're a 510 00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:09,680 Speaker 1: left person or a right person, when they're those ideas 511 00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:12,399 Speaker 1: and that human being are not allowed the platform to 512 00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:16,080 Speaker 1: even speak like that's bigger than just you, because yes, you, 513 00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:18,439 Speaker 1: Nicole Hannah Jones, you do have a big platform. You 514 00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:20,320 Speaker 1: do have the ability to say whatever you want to 515 00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:22,960 Speaker 1: say in a lot of different formats. But the whole 516 00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:27,080 Speaker 1: problem with this idea of hey, something's uncomfortable, so we're 517 00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:28,520 Speaker 1: just not going to talk about it, We're just going 518 00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:31,679 Speaker 1: to censor it. The whole problem with that is what 519 00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:33,720 Speaker 1: about the person who doesn't have that platform. What does 520 00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:36,640 Speaker 1: that do to the ability to have those conversations whatsoever. 521 00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:40,160 Speaker 1: So I thought it was interesting. The other piece of 522 00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:42,240 Speaker 1: it that's interesting, of course, is that you won't hear 523 00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:45,520 Speaker 1: anyone on the right talking about Nicole Hanna Jones getting 524 00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:48,480 Speaker 1: I despise getting canceled. But that's the whole thing is 525 00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:51,320 Speaker 1: it doesn't matter like if you're it doesn't matter whether 526 00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:53,280 Speaker 1: you like the person, whether you agree with them, whether 527 00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:56,400 Speaker 1: you disagree with them. The whole idea is the principle 528 00:28:56,600 --> 00:29:00,320 Speaker 1: of if you know, if someone is uncomfortable, if they're 529 00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:03,600 Speaker 1: not uncomfortable, whatever, the answer isn't to censor them and 530 00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:06,360 Speaker 1: make it so they can't speak at all. The answer 531 00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:09,240 Speaker 1: is to engage, to debate, and to have confidence that 532 00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:11,640 Speaker 1: your ideas ultimately can win the day. Yeah, I agree. Look, 533 00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:13,520 Speaker 1: I mean, I think Nicole Hannah Jones is a hockster 534 00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:16,080 Speaker 1: of the highest order. But it doesn't matter she does. 535 00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:19,160 Speaker 1: And I also don't doubt that these middle school middlesex 536 00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:21,360 Speaker 1: high school kids are going to get plenty of critical 537 00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:25,040 Speaker 1: race theory from their very liberal really not. But that 538 00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:29,200 Speaker 1: being said, that doesn't mean that we shouldn't hear about it, 539 00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:31,680 Speaker 1: we shouldn't have a debate about it. And it's good 540 00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:34,280 Speaker 1: because it pairs also very well with this New York 541 00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:35,959 Speaker 1: Times PC you actually found. Let's put it up there 542 00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:39,360 Speaker 1: on the screen, and this is from MIT, where a 543 00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:45,320 Speaker 1: lecturer who previously had spoken out against affirmative action and 544 00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:48,920 Speaker 1: diversity programs in videos and opinion pieces. His name was 545 00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:52,680 Speaker 1: He's a geophysicist. His name is Dorian Abbot, doctor Dorian Abbot. 546 00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:56,400 Speaker 1: He was actually canceled for giving a lecture at MIT 547 00:29:56,680 --> 00:29:59,880 Speaker 1: and critically actually very critically. In this case, he was 548 00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:05,160 Speaker 1: even there to speak about what was going on whenever 549 00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:08,600 Speaker 1: it came to affirmative action or diversity programs. He was 550 00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:13,000 Speaker 1: there to give a lecture to the Earth Atmospherics and 551 00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:17,120 Speaker 1: Planetary Sciences department, and they canceled it for exactly the 552 00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:20,680 Speaker 1: same reason because some of the what they claim people 553 00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:24,120 Speaker 1: of color who go to the university would have felt uncomfortable. 554 00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:26,960 Speaker 1: But then whenever they canceled it, it also caused a 555 00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:29,600 Speaker 1: bit of controversy, and what is the right way to 556 00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:32,960 Speaker 1: handle these things? Obviously, look, in this particular case, it's 557 00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:36,600 Speaker 1: so obvious the guy is an expert on geophysics or whatever. 558 00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:39,240 Speaker 1: Let him speak on that, and if you also, frankly, 559 00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:42,560 Speaker 1: have a discussion between him and then also have somebody else. 560 00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:45,280 Speaker 1: For Middlesex High School, you should have Nicole Hanna Jones 561 00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:48,200 Speaker 1: and then have somebody like John mcwardur or something like that, 562 00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:50,840 Speaker 1: or somebody who doesn't agree. You should have them both 563 00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:53,160 Speaker 1: and people can make up their minds for themselves. That's 564 00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:55,440 Speaker 1: always the way in order to handle these things. And 565 00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:59,320 Speaker 1: that's why you know it's happening all across and anodyne 566 00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:02,400 Speaker 1: stuff in college. I mean, who wants that are you 567 00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:04,560 Speaker 1: better off when you're a high school student for not 568 00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:09,440 Speaker 1: discussing actual controversial subjects or even in college. Absolutely not. 569 00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:12,080 Speaker 1: It just makes things worse, in my opinion. So I 570 00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:14,920 Speaker 1: think that's why that this stuff really does matter. I 571 00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:18,280 Speaker 1: think Nicole Hannah Jones actually in her Twitter thread said 572 00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:21,120 Speaker 1: something that you might fight compelling. She said, the lack 573 00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:24,640 Speaker 1: of courage in these times is so very sad. Now 574 00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:28,760 Speaker 1: keep it true. Yeah, totally true. But again keep in 575 00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:31,040 Speaker 1: mind that she's someone who would be on the side 576 00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:34,280 Speaker 1: of censorship when it's used that she does not agree, 577 00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:37,000 Speaker 1: but she has actively pushed in the past. Clear yes 578 00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:38,600 Speaker 1: she has. I mean, if you actually, if you look 579 00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:41,480 Speaker 1: at her timeline, she's she's right in on all of 580 00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:44,320 Speaker 1: the latest like let's censor this one, let's cancel let's 581 00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:47,360 Speaker 1: deplatform that one. She's very much on that side, and 582 00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:50,320 Speaker 1: so it's interesting when it happens to her, there's this 583 00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:53,920 Speaker 1: whole contorting to say, I'm not canceled and this is 584 00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:57,840 Speaker 1: actually a result of these other people who are. It's 585 00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:01,920 Speaker 1: this whole contortion to not actually see that this isn't 586 00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:05,320 Speaker 1: just you know, applied to people who have views that 587 00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:07,520 Speaker 1: you disagree with. This can come for you. This can 588 00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:10,320 Speaker 1: come for ideologies that you support and that you think 589 00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:12,160 Speaker 1: are important and that you want to be able to 590 00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:15,240 Speaker 1: have conversations about. It doesn't just stay in the narrow 591 00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:17,800 Speaker 1: confines that are comfortable for you. Which is why, like, 592 00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:19,800 Speaker 1: if this is something that you care about, which you should, 593 00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:21,920 Speaker 1: if you care about free speech, and you care about 594 00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:24,880 Speaker 1: a society where people have the courage to have conversations 595 00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:27,960 Speaker 1: that can be uncomfortable at times but sometimes also push 596 00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:31,080 Speaker 1: push us forward as a nation. That's why you have 597 00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:34,000 Speaker 1: to look at whether it's you know, the professor has 598 00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:37,000 Speaker 1: controversial views on affirmative action, or whether it's Nicole Hannah Jones. 599 00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:38,720 Speaker 1: You have to have one consistent principle. And I want 600 00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:41,120 Speaker 1: to say just what we try to do? How about that? 601 00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:43,400 Speaker 1: I like that idea. That's that's really what I We'll 602 00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:46,240 Speaker 1: host it here, guys, were plas. I would love to 603 00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:47,840 Speaker 1: see her come step in the same room as me. 604 00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:51,520 Speaker 1: All right, guys, thanks for watching, have a great weekend. 605 00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:53,920 Speaker 1: We'll have more for you later. Thanks for listening to 606 00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:56,000 Speaker 1: the show, guys, we really appreciate it. 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