WEBVTT - #176 Do We Worship a Narcissistic God?

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<v Speaker 1>My purpose is to glorify God. How narcissistic must he

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<v Speaker 1>be if he creates beings and then their purpose is

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<v Speaker 1>to glorify him, like when you first look at it

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<v Speaker 1>on the surface, that's what it sounds like. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>really want to worship a god like that. What's up, guys,

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to the podcast, Episode one hundred and seventy six,

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<v Speaker 1>And this is a special one because we got back

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<v Speaker 1>an amazing guest of mine, multi multi timer, and back

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<v Speaker 1>Bernie Calcote. And if you're watching on YouTube, you'll notice something.

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<v Speaker 1>If you're not, if you're listening on Spotify or Apple

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<v Speaker 1>or something, you won't notice. But he is now a

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<v Speaker 1>mountain man. Yeah, he's got a beard. I'm embracing my

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<v Speaker 1>inner Will Brown, no haircut, not shit, you are that guy,

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<v Speaker 1>I do remember. You'd be friends now the way you look.

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<v Speaker 1>You'd be friends with my friend Marv, who's a pastor.

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<v Speaker 1>He's a mennnight pastor in South Carolina and he listens

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<v Speaker 1>to this podcast every Monday. Really really good dude. And Marv,

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<v Speaker 1>yeah his name is Marvin. You're starting to look like

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<v Speaker 1>a midnight pastor with this beard. Shout up to what

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<v Speaker 1>we do on this podcast with Bernie. He helps me

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<v Speaker 1>a lot because we just answer your questions. And Bernie

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<v Speaker 1>has been answering my questions for about twenty years. When

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<v Speaker 1>I have a problem, I reach out and I'm like, hey, birds,

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<v Speaker 1>I got a problem, or it doesn't even have to

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<v Speaker 1>be a problem, just just a scenario walking through life,

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<v Speaker 1>walking through life. And so that's what we do with you.

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<v Speaker 1>And you email me Grangersmith Podcast at gmail dot com.

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<v Speaker 1>We're gonna get to this inbox. I told Bernie, I

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<v Speaker 1>have no idea what's coming up like that. There's no planning,

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<v Speaker 1>there's no notes flying blind, we don't have no special

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<v Speaker 1>quotes that we're just gonna out there. Our minds are

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<v Speaker 1>empty right now. Yeah, all right, So first question, Brenda

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<v Speaker 1>gets it and it says this, Hey, granger I really

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<v Speaker 1>enjoy your podcast. I'm from West Virginia. I was married

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<v Speaker 1>in two thousand and six, got divorced in two thousand

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<v Speaker 1>and eight. My ex husband died in twenty twenty. I

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<v Speaker 1>consider myself single, not divorced. Now. I have a relationship

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<v Speaker 1>with God and I've been praying for a godly man.

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<v Speaker 1>Can you please tell me what to do? There is

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<v Speaker 1>not a singles group in our church. I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>what I could do. Thank you for everything to do. God,

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<v Speaker 1>bless Brenda. Brenda from West Virginia, married, married in six,

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<v Speaker 1>got divorced in eight. He died in twenty. He died

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<v Speaker 1>in twenty twenty. So she considers herself single, not divorced.

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<v Speaker 1>Now that's just a mentality she's going with here. But

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<v Speaker 1>the question, it sounds like, is how do I get

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<v Speaker 1>a man? She's lonely? Yep, because two thousand and six

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<v Speaker 1>a long that's a long time. Or two thousand and

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<v Speaker 1>eight when she divorced. Oh sorry, I got divorced two

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<v Speaker 1>thousand and eight. Still okay, So still we're talking a

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<v Speaker 1>long time, sixteen years something like that. Fifteen years. So

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<v Speaker 1>I have a relationship with God, she says. I've been

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<v Speaker 1>praying for a godly man, she says, And then she

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<v Speaker 1>asked me, and you, Bernie, but what can I do?

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<v Speaker 1>There's not a singles group at church. I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>what to do. Okay, what you got for Brenda Brenda?

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<v Speaker 1>So again, we don't prepare for these questions. I'm just

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<v Speaker 1>kind of praying beforehand that hey, Holy Spirit, give us

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<v Speaker 1>the words, bring to mind the things you want. These

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<v Speaker 1>people to hear and us to hear as well through

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<v Speaker 1>this because I think this podcast ministers to Griz and

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<v Speaker 1>I both so. Pastor John Piper says that God is

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<v Speaker 1>most glorified through us when we are most satisfied in Him.

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<v Speaker 1>If you have a relationship with God and you are

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<v Speaker 1>in his word and you read that the purpose of

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<v Speaker 1>our life is to glorify God with our lives, right,

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<v Speaker 1>and if that is the most evident when we are

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<v Speaker 1>most satisfied in Him, I think maybe that not that

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<v Speaker 1>having a partner, and you know, a companion is a

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<v Speaker 1>bad thing by any means, but maybe just kind of check, like, man,

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<v Speaker 1>am I most satisfied in him? Is he fulfilling? Is

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<v Speaker 1>his grace sufficient? Is he enough? Or am I looking

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<v Speaker 1>to fill a part of that with this companion? Maybe

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<v Speaker 1>you answer, yes, God is enough. He's sustaining me. He

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<v Speaker 1>sustained me for the last however sixteen years or however

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<v Speaker 1>long it's been. But you know, you do feel this

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<v Speaker 1>loneliness and you desire for companionship, which can be a

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<v Speaker 1>godly thing and can be a great, you know thing.

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<v Speaker 1>As far as the practical, how do I do that?

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<v Speaker 1>I've just been so out of the game so long.

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<v Speaker 1>I have no I have no idea how you do

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<v Speaker 1>it these days. Let's talk about it. Let's talk about it,

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<v Speaker 1>and I want to kind of reinforce what you said,

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<v Speaker 1>because that's not that's not the first thing that came

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<v Speaker 1>to my mind when you went to the piper, most

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<v Speaker 1>glorified thing. I love that, and I think that's a

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<v Speaker 1>that's a great answer kind of for anyone with any question.

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<v Speaker 1>And so let's look, let's kind of dissect that and

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<v Speaker 1>see what that looks like. Because to some people that

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<v Speaker 1>comes across is like, my purpose is to glorify godd

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<v Speaker 1>How narcissistic must he be if he creates beings, and

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<v Speaker 1>then their purpose is to glorify him, Like when you

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<v Speaker 1>first look at it on the surface, that's what it

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<v Speaker 1>sounds like. I don't really want to worship a god

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<v Speaker 1>like that, that a narcissistic god just wants attention, literally

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<v Speaker 1>creates people so that they will give him attention. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't I don't like that. I don't like that thought.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what some of you might be thinking. So let's

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<v Speaker 1>unpack it and see what, like where that goes, and

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<v Speaker 1>maybe dig deeper into what that could mean for our lives,

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<v Speaker 1>because the ultimate, the ultimate gift that you get from

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<v Speaker 1>that is your own joy and hope and love and peace.

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<v Speaker 1>These are fruits that you get as a result of

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<v Speaker 1>your worship to your creator. Okay, so let's unpack that

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<v Speaker 1>a little further. I've told I did a sermon one

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<v Speaker 1>time and looked at it like this. I grew up

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<v Speaker 1>a huge George Strait. You know that, Bernie, Yes, So

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<v Speaker 1>imagine I used to go to these concerts by myself

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<v Speaker 1>when I was a teenager, and I would sit in

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<v Speaker 1>the very center of the second row, right in the middle,

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<v Speaker 1>and just I would go there, and I would camp

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<v Speaker 1>out the night before to get the tickets, and then

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<v Speaker 1>I would wait in these ridiculous lines and I would

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<v Speaker 1>get in at noon. George Strait didn't go on till

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<v Speaker 1>about eight pm, and I'm there in the building at noon,

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<v Speaker 1>and I would go there. So imagine this scenario, and

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to play this out. Imagine I go in there,

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<v Speaker 1>do all that, and I get there and there is

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<v Speaker 1>a camera stand right in front of my seat, and

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<v Speaker 1>George Strait comes out, and I'm just like, well, this

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<v Speaker 1>is not what I expected. So I started daydreaming kind

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<v Speaker 1>of lose my interest in the concert, and what am

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<v Speaker 1>I going to do? There's a camera right here, George

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<v Speaker 1>Strait in front of seventy thousand people. He's playing to everyone,

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<v Speaker 1>and he looks at me and he says, you move

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<v Speaker 1>the camera so you could see me. Look to me,

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<v Speaker 1>focus on me. That's why you came, that's why you're here.

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<v Speaker 1>So in that scenario, then would George Strait be narcissistic

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<v Speaker 1>to say that to me? Would he be some evil,

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<v Speaker 1>creepy guy that is just wanting to get glory from everyone. No,

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<v Speaker 1>that's actually the most selfless thing he could do. In

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<v Speaker 1>that scenario, when all these people are there, he looks

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<v Speaker 1>to me and goes, I'm gonna give you glory by

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<v Speaker 1>you giving me glory, I will give you hope, I

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<v Speaker 1>will give you peace. I will give you unbelievable joy

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<v Speaker 1>in this concert. Look to me, move all obstacles out

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<v Speaker 1>of the way. So that's what happens. God does that

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<v Speaker 1>so that we could be we could share in that glory.

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<v Speaker 1>He doesn't need any more from us, but he wants

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<v Speaker 1>to selflessly give it back to us so that we

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<v Speaker 1>could share in it as adopted kids. That's unbelievable. If

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<v Speaker 1>you unpack it that way, that's the depth behind what

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<v Speaker 1>Bernie is saying. God is most glorified in us when

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<v Speaker 1>we are most satisfied in Him. So, Brenda, that starts

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<v Speaker 1>the whole conversation, that starts probably every question we have today.

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<v Speaker 1>Can you say that, are you satisfied in Him? Because

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<v Speaker 1>if you are, then you go, God, I'm single. I

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<v Speaker 1>want somebody. But if that's not in your designs, that's

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<v Speaker 1>not in your plan for me. Let me just focus

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<v Speaker 1>on you. Let me just continue to glorify you, regardless

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<v Speaker 1>of who else is in my life. Okay, that's that

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<v Speaker 1>part that's done. Now let's get practical, Brenda. You say,

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<v Speaker 1>I've been praying for godly man, can you tell me

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<v Speaker 1>what to do? There's not a singles group in our church?

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<v Speaker 1>Is that the only church? First question? Yeah? Is it

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<v Speaker 1>the only church? But also like, surely there's other ministries

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<v Speaker 1>within that church. Surely there's other kind of hobbies, desires

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<v Speaker 1>and gifts that God has given you to be able

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<v Speaker 1>to serve your community or whatever. Go do those things

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<v Speaker 1>and just you know, listen to that still small voice

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<v Speaker 1>that's saying, Hey, there's this orphan care ministry that I'm

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<v Speaker 1>gonna lay on your heart and you're gonna like start

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<v Speaker 1>to push into that and you respond one day at

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<v Speaker 1>a time, you say, yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna serve here.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna serve here. It could be you know, like

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<v Speaker 1>some running group, or it could it could be anything

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<v Speaker 1>that you just listen to that voice and you walk

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<v Speaker 1>in the spirit in that and then all of a sudden,

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<v Speaker 1>this dude shows up and he's he's kind of listening

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<v Speaker 1>to the same spirit, and you guys are all of

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<v Speaker 1>a sudden kind of walking next to each other, not

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<v Speaker 1>in order to find each other, but in order to

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<v Speaker 1>listen to the voice of God and walk in it.

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<v Speaker 1>But then you realize you're walking right next to each other,

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<v Speaker 1>and then it's like, Hey, I have a companion in

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<v Speaker 1>the work that God has put before us. I think

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of times these relationship questions can really be

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<v Speaker 1>just self focused, and relationship be self focused instead of Hey,

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<v Speaker 1>what if we found somebody that would co labor with

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<v Speaker 1>us in the work that God puts in front of us.

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<v Speaker 1>That's that's what it's about, So maybe give that a shot. Brenda.

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<v Speaker 1>Start looking around at those opportunities, like what is God

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<v Speaker 1>put in front of you and then start doing, and

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<v Speaker 1>then look to your left and right and see who's

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<v Speaker 1>with you. So good, reach out, serve others. Don't get

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<v Speaker 1>caught sitting on the couch waiting for your church to

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<v Speaker 1>provide you with a singles group. Right, all right, next

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<v Speaker 1>question here, Well we can go to this one. I like, guys,

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<v Speaker 1>I have no idea what these are about to say,

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<v Speaker 1>but it says easy question. Hey, my name is Joseph.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm fifteen. I live in Port Angelus, Washington. Thank you

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<v Speaker 1>for helping me get through when I broke my leg.

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<v Speaker 1>I was listening to your podcast in the hospital. I

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<v Speaker 1>was wondering if there's a way to make your voice

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<v Speaker 1>deeper or higher pitched. What kind of exercises are there? Yeah? Ye,

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<v Speaker 1>God blessed. So fifteen is a time that's kind of

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<v Speaker 1>the time you start asking me. You're like, hey, man,

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<v Speaker 1>everyone's got a deep voice, but me, what do I do?

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<v Speaker 1>Hey Grader? Yeah, yeah, Hey, that's his nature, isn't it? Like?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know at some level, Joseph, if you're the

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<v Speaker 1>voice pro like just gonna happen. If you're talking about singing,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe you're talking about singing. That's a little different. But

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<v Speaker 1>if you're talking about speaking, that's just gonna happen. You.

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<v Speaker 1>Have you heard yourself in a while. I have listened

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<v Speaker 1>to you from old tapes, But have you heard yourself

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<v Speaker 1>talk from twenty five years ago? No, I've listened to

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<v Speaker 1>you two or five years ago recently, because there's one

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<v Speaker 1>on one of your albums. Oh no, is that one

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<v Speaker 1>where you're out talking? Oh? Yeah, yeah, what's a homeless guy? Yeah? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>So when you listen to yourself twenty years ago, all

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<v Speaker 1>of us our voices are different. It's almost not even

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<v Speaker 1>the same person. It's weird. Harrison Ford. I was listening

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<v Speaker 1>to him talk the other day. That guy's voice is

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<v Speaker 1>so deep now and it wasn't necessarily like that when

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<v Speaker 1>he was han solo. Wow, so we change, Joseph, your

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<v Speaker 1>voice is going to change naturally. The more you use it,

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<v Speaker 1>the more that muscle gets stronger. And uh, just don't

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<v Speaker 1>worry about it. If you're talking about singing, you exercise it.

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<v Speaker 1>Just like you want to be a runner, you would

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<v Speaker 1>exercise your legs. If you want to be a singer,

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<v Speaker 1>you exercise your vocal cords. Oh, look at this one

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<v Speaker 1>subject line, mark of the Beast. Hey, grangem twenty nine

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<v Speaker 1>years old, live in Indiana. So we're sitting around a campfire,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'd like to hear your thoughts on the Mark

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<v Speaker 1>of the Beast. Revelations thirteen explains it how the end

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<v Speaker 1>of times will be near and nobody will be able

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<v Speaker 1>to buy or sell without worshiping the anti Christ. The

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<v Speaker 1>number is sixty six six also plays a role in

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<v Speaker 1>the end times. And it's all a little confusing to me.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm young. I have a hard time comprehending comprehending revelations

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<v Speaker 1>with an s on the end. Would love to hear

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<v Speaker 1>your thoughts. God bless and that is Did he say

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<v Speaker 1>his name? He just said he's twenty nine. Yeah, email

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<v Speaker 1>says jer So we'll call you Jeremy. Jeremy. Okay. It's

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<v Speaker 1>actually really nice that Bernie's sitting here because he could

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<v Speaker 1>go a totally different direction. And you're you're open to

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<v Speaker 1>I'll let it. Let you do whatever you want to

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<v Speaker 1>do here. This is not my special okay, Okay, Well

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<v Speaker 1>then we'll just walk through this together. Here's the deal, Jeremy.

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<v Speaker 1>There was actually was a time when I was in

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<v Speaker 1>high school. I was really into this stuff, Like I

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<v Speaker 1>would get into it, and I would listen to these

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<v Speaker 1>they left behind, Yeah, like the left behind times that

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<v Speaker 1>was around that that era in the nineties. But what

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<v Speaker 1>I have come to learn over these years, especially the

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<v Speaker 1>recent years, of really diving into the New Testament, diving

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<v Speaker 1>into Revelation, diving into Daniel and Isaiah and the different

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<v Speaker 1>apocalyptic stories, the apocalyptic narratives that we see in the Bible,

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<v Speaker 1>And what I'm about to say is probably going to

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<v Speaker 1>make you. Maybe it's going to make some people not

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<v Speaker 1>want to listen to the podcast anymore because it's boring.

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<v Speaker 1>But at a lot of modern day scholars will say

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<v Speaker 1>that a lot of that stuff that was prophesied in

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<v Speaker 1>Revelation has already happened, that that Nero was part of that.

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<v Speaker 1>All this plan when Jerusalem was that the the Israelites

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<v Speaker 1>revolted in sixty six AD right against the Romans because

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<v Speaker 1>of the oppression, because they were taxed heavily. It was

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<v Speaker 1>it was a terrible environment in the sixties AD. And

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<v Speaker 1>so the Israelites got together with all these revolutionists and

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<v Speaker 1>they revolted, and Rome crushed them over the course of

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<v Speaker 1>four years, and in seventy a d the temple in

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<v Speaker 1>Jerusalem was demolished, just like Jesus prophesied. The religion was crushed.

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<v Speaker 1>They built a pagan temple on that mount right there

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<v Speaker 1>where the where the Jerusalem Temple was, where the Second

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<v Speaker 1>Temple that Solomon was. They they then kicked everyone out

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<v Speaker 1>that wanted to worship the Yahweh God. They they they

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<v Speaker 1>made it illegal to sacrifice, illegal to obey the Sabbath,

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<v Speaker 1>illegal to circumcise. Jews were dispersed, It was completely crushed.

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<v Speaker 1>In fact, there was one more small revolt in one

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<v Speaker 1>thirty five a d. When that was crushed, Israel no

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<v Speaker 1>longer was a state. They're gone until crazy nineteen forty three.

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<v Speaker 1>All this time goes by, right, so two thousand years

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<v Speaker 1>go by. Anyway, Most modern day scholars now will say

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<v Speaker 1>that all this mark of the Beast stuff, all this revelation,

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<v Speaker 1>end of times, all that stuff that John was talking

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<v Speaker 1>about the apostle was already fulfilled. And the destruction of

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<v Speaker 1>the temple, destruction of Israel, the dispersion of the people.

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<v Speaker 1>That is really boring because so many of us want

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<v Speaker 1>to just be like, oh, this mark of the Beast,

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<v Speaker 1>here's it come, here it comes. I remember when they

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<v Speaker 1>said it was credit cards you know when that first

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<v Speaker 1>came out. Now it's all you know, it's the vaccine

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<v Speaker 1>that was it for a while. And we know this.

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<v Speaker 1>I could tell you this about the end of times

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<v Speaker 1>for sure. When Jesus came, the end of times began.

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<v Speaker 1>Then he ushered in the end of times phase this,

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<v Speaker 1>this is the last of days. When Jesus came, right,

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<v Speaker 1>he became the new Covenant, he became the once and

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<v Speaker 1>for all sacrifice. So no longer that people have to

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<v Speaker 1>kill lambs and dove and lay them on an altar

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<v Speaker 1>and cook them and oxen. Jesus became the once for

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<v Speaker 1>all sacrifice for all humans that would receive him as

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<v Speaker 1>their lord and savior. So, Jeremy, if we just focus

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<v Speaker 1>on that and stop digging into maybe what was six

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<v Speaker 1>six six market the beast to buy and sell and trade?

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<v Speaker 1>What if that already happened, and you need to be

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<v Speaker 1>focused on the savior that made the once and for

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<v Speaker 1>all sacrifice in the end of times, which is right

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<v Speaker 1>now that we're living in. People say we're living in

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<v Speaker 1>the end of Times. Yeah we are. We always have

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<v Speaker 1>been for two thousand years. Once again, so boring like

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<v Speaker 1>this doesn't get any clickbait on a podcast. No, that's

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<v Speaker 1>not what people want to hear. People want to say.

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<v Speaker 1>They want me to say, yeah, I heard that President

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<v Speaker 1>Biden might be the anti Christ. At the end of

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<v Speaker 1>the world is coming when you lie seventeen yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm sorry that burst some bubbles and that might

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<v Speaker 1>actually create some people talking and wanting to fight against

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<v Speaker 1>me on that. And you're totally welcome to I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>totally right about this. This is all speculation. No one

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<v Speaker 1>really knows, but modern scholars really believe that this stuff

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<v Speaker 1>that John's talking about already happened. I can tell you

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<v Speaker 1>this for sure. And I'm not talking about the apocalypse

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<v Speaker 1>and the end war. I'm not talking about that. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>talking about six sixty six. What we need to know

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<v Speaker 1>is this, and this is the truth. For thousands of years,

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<v Speaker 1>people have thought maybe their generation is the last one

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<v Speaker 1>and that the rapture is coming. If you believe in raptured.

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<v Speaker 1>There's people that don't believe in rapture. But ninety nine

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<v Speaker 1>infinite percent chance you will die, Jeremy before any of

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<v Speaker 1>this happens, and me and Bernie and everyone listening to

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<v Speaker 1>this podcast will die a human death and not be

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<v Speaker 1>raptured because it's not our time. So if that's the odds,

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<v Speaker 1>if that was a Vegas odds, I would say, if

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<v Speaker 1>that's my Vegas odds, I'm putting all my bets on

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<v Speaker 1>Jesus as my savior that I will meet him after

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<v Speaker 1>an earthly death, and I put my trust in him

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<v Speaker 1>as the once and for all sacrifice. And I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>looking to the sky for some crazy apocalypse burning that's

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<v Speaker 1>gonna happen. Not yet. Yeah, dude, that is impressive. Let

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<v Speaker 1>me just say, did y'all know that he knew all that?

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<v Speaker 1>Like that's I knew you were a history buff, but

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<v Speaker 1>you're like, you know and once again, and dude, that's impressive.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't know that stuff. So Jarre, thank you for

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<v Speaker 1>put it in the queue. We have no notes, nothing

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<v Speaker 1>in front of us. We're just walking through it like

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<v Speaker 1>a couple buddies sitting around a campfire. Like that last

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<v Speaker 1>question said, I like that. Next question subject says need advice.

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<v Speaker 1>The email says, Hey Granger, my name is James, I'm eighteen.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm a senior in high school this year. I emailed

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<v Speaker 1>you two weeks ago and asked if I should try

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<v Speaker 1>talking to my ex girlfriend I still had feelings for.

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<v Speaker 1>Turns out, we both felt the same way. We've talked

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<v Speaker 1>for about a week and a half, and she told

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<v Speaker 1>her parents and they pretty much told her that they

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<v Speaker 1>didn't want her talking to me because they didn't want

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<v Speaker 1>it to hurt her again. And we both feel like

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<v Speaker 1>we've changed. I heard a lot since the last time.

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<v Speaker 1>She's only seventeen, so I respect her parents, but I

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<v Speaker 1>also feel like she is old enough to make these

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<v Speaker 1>kind of decisions. Any advice would be great, thanks again,

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<v Speaker 1>ye James eighteen A little piece here. You said, I

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<v Speaker 1>want to respect her parents, but I also feel like

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<v Speaker 1>she is old enough to make these decisions. Then you

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<v Speaker 1>don't respect her parents. Start with that. You might want to,

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<v Speaker 1>but you don't. You don't really want to. What'd you think?

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<v Speaker 1>Burns James? James, James. So it's just a couple old

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<v Speaker 1>guys over here. Okay, you're sitting around the campfire with

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<v Speaker 1>some old guys, all right, with daughters with daughters, and

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<v Speaker 1>I grizz has said this many times on this podcast,

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<v Speaker 1>and every time we get something from somebody fifteen sixteen,

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<v Speaker 1>seventeen eighteen, I always just think and remember what you say,

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<v Speaker 1>just be eighteen. Like, these kind of things can take

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<v Speaker 1>so much of your time and attention that could be

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<v Speaker 1>spent on making really good memories with friends and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>going places, building new friendships. So yeah, apart from her parents,

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<v Speaker 1>I would be interested to know why the parents don't

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<v Speaker 1>want her to hang out with you other than like

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<v Speaker 1>you hurt her before, I guess, and they don't want

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<v Speaker 1>her to get hurt again. But you've matured. Yeah, So

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<v Speaker 1>practically speaking, I would say this, and I've said this before, James,

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<v Speaker 1>You're to me. Your only card to play is you

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<v Speaker 1>talk to the dad and you just say you man up. James.

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<v Speaker 1>You're an eighteen year old. You're old enough to go

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<v Speaker 1>into the Marine Corps. You're old enough to call on

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<v Speaker 1>the phone the dad. I'd say, Sir James, here, I

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<v Speaker 1>know you're a busy guy, and I don't want to

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<v Speaker 1>bother you, but I would love to be able to

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<v Speaker 1>go to lunch with you or coffee and have a

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<v Speaker 1>discussion with you. Manda man. Now hopefully he says sure,

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<v Speaker 1>let's do it, and you get together and you say, Sir,

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<v Speaker 1>I have feelings for your daughter. I would love to

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<v Speaker 1>be able to Dater. I understand that you have concerns

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<v Speaker 1>about me, and understand that that's because you love her,

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<v Speaker 1>and I admire that, and so I do not want

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<v Speaker 1>to do anything behind your back. So I wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>have lunch and maybe to discuss some of your concerns

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<v Speaker 1>if I could answer any questions. Bottom line is I

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<v Speaker 1>care about your daughter and I would love to be

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<v Speaker 1>able to dater and I would like your permission. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>if you can do that, you are going to start

0:27:54.080 --> 0:28:00.440
<v Speaker 1>to earn some respect from the parents for sure. Yeah,

0:28:00.480 --> 0:28:02.879
<v Speaker 1>I don't know if you can do that. That's tough

0:28:03.000 --> 0:28:04.639
<v Speaker 1>for an eighteen year old. I wouldn't have done that

0:28:04.680 --> 0:28:07.960
<v Speaker 1>at eighteen. Yeah. The only other card you have is

0:28:08.160 --> 0:28:13.359
<v Speaker 1>forget her. Forget her dude. Yeah, be eighteen options B eighteen.

0:28:14.880 --> 0:28:20.800
<v Speaker 1>Next question, interesting subject here, pastor let me down. So

0:28:20.840 --> 0:28:22.800
<v Speaker 1>my wife and I finally found a church that we love.

0:28:22.840 --> 0:28:25.040
<v Speaker 1>We were baptized and joined his members two years ago.

0:28:25.560 --> 0:28:27.919
<v Speaker 1>Church is four years in. We were voted in by

0:28:27.960 --> 0:28:30.280
<v Speaker 1>six people. Then four of the six have left the

0:28:30.400 --> 0:28:35.080
<v Speaker 1>church now, including only six members. We recently purchased a

0:28:35.200 --> 0:28:39.840
<v Speaker 1>large building and get about sixty five people on average. Sunday,

0:28:40.520 --> 0:28:43.960
<v Speaker 1>our pastor emailed my wife asking us to become members.

0:28:44.720 --> 0:28:47.560
<v Speaker 1>We already were. Then he blamed someone else for the

0:28:47.600 --> 0:28:50.520
<v Speaker 1>mix up and said that it was his fault. We

0:28:50.600 --> 0:28:53.360
<v Speaker 1>decided to step back and watch online and do our

0:28:53.400 --> 0:28:55.720
<v Speaker 1>own worship at home as a family. I feel horrible.

0:28:56.080 --> 0:28:59.920
<v Speaker 1>I've been friends with him and my wife with his

0:29:00.880 --> 0:29:04.440
<v Speaker 1>but his response also said that we have a responsibility

0:29:04.440 --> 0:29:07.720
<v Speaker 1>as members to show up to church. There are other

0:29:07.760 --> 0:29:10.920
<v Speaker 1>issues we pushed through, but this one has finally pushed

0:29:11.000 --> 0:29:14.040
<v Speaker 1>us away. I have a feeling we won't be going back.

0:29:14.520 --> 0:29:17.320
<v Speaker 1>It seems like they're pushing for new members, for money

0:29:17.440 --> 0:29:21.320
<v Speaker 1>and for a new building. Should we try. They haven't

0:29:21.320 --> 0:29:24.320
<v Speaker 1>even attempted to contact us. Only one member called me

0:29:25.160 --> 0:29:30.240
<v Speaker 1>Anonymous Wisconsin. I love how your voice y'all. Notice his

0:29:30.320 --> 0:29:33.360
<v Speaker 1>voice changes sometimes once he gets halfway into an email

0:29:33.640 --> 0:29:38.040
<v Speaker 1>and he starts talking like they may be from Wisconsin. Right,

0:29:38.400 --> 0:29:41.280
<v Speaker 1>that's the radio show coming out on the podcast? Yeah,

0:29:41.320 --> 0:29:47.600
<v Speaker 1>I love it, so I think the very end it says,

0:29:47.640 --> 0:29:49.720
<v Speaker 1>please let me know if you respond. I don't catch

0:29:49.760 --> 0:29:53.440
<v Speaker 1>all the podcasts. That kind of says something about the

0:29:53.480 --> 0:29:59.080
<v Speaker 1>personality as well. Yeah right, yeah, yeah, very This is

0:29:59.080 --> 0:30:05.480
<v Speaker 1>about me getting something kind of consumer focused. I'm not

0:30:05.520 --> 0:30:08.920
<v Speaker 1>gonna give as much as I'm gonna look to get, right,

0:30:09.360 --> 0:30:13.240
<v Speaker 1>is that thing I'm gonna let you go off? This person? Well,

0:30:13.280 --> 0:30:15.040
<v Speaker 1>I'm the good cop, so I'm not gonna go off

0:30:15.040 --> 0:30:17.520
<v Speaker 1>as much as Granger will go off. All right, did

0:30:17.560 --> 0:30:22.000
<v Speaker 1>we get a name? Did we get a name? It's anonymous? Okay, Wisconsin,

0:30:22.040 --> 0:30:27.800
<v Speaker 1>we'll Wisconsin. I I I'm not going to dismiss your

0:30:27.840 --> 0:30:30.680
<v Speaker 1>claim because there are a lot of churches out there

0:30:30.800 --> 0:30:34.760
<v Speaker 1>that just don't have great leadership. They don't have the

0:30:34.760 --> 0:30:39.400
<v Speaker 1>holy spirit they you know, you know that that's that's true.

0:30:40.240 --> 0:30:44.400
<v Speaker 1>But I do feel like you're being a little bit

0:30:44.480 --> 0:30:48.200
<v Speaker 1>selfish here. I feel like you are kind of getting

0:30:48.240 --> 0:30:52.720
<v Speaker 1>hung up on maybe some like some response that the

0:30:52.720 --> 0:30:57.760
<v Speaker 1>pastor had and basically saying we're not going to go

0:30:57.800 --> 0:31:00.560
<v Speaker 1>back because he responded a certain way, and you're and

0:31:00.600 --> 0:31:03.760
<v Speaker 1>from there, like a critical spirit can start to be

0:31:04.000 --> 0:31:08.200
<v Speaker 1>like a cancer, and not just for a community, but

0:31:08.320 --> 0:31:10.640
<v Speaker 1>in your own mind, like you start to spiral and

0:31:10.680 --> 0:31:12.840
<v Speaker 1>then you're all of a sudden critical of you know,

0:31:12.880 --> 0:31:16.560
<v Speaker 1>his wife, and you're critical of why they're having new members.

0:31:16.960 --> 0:31:19.240
<v Speaker 1>I think you probably need to check your own heart

0:31:19.320 --> 0:31:24.239
<v Speaker 1>in this situation. And then next I think you need

0:31:24.280 --> 0:31:29.800
<v Speaker 1>to probably sit with your wife and the pastor and

0:31:29.840 --> 0:31:31.520
<v Speaker 1>his wife. You said you guys are friends, y'all need

0:31:31.520 --> 0:31:35.680
<v Speaker 1>to sit and like sit in the conflict. Guys. Conflict

0:31:35.760 --> 0:31:39.120
<v Speaker 1>is not something to avoid. It actually can bring clarity

0:31:39.560 --> 0:31:45.200
<v Speaker 1>and it can make things stronger. So quick side note.

0:31:45.800 --> 0:31:51.160
<v Speaker 1>I'm running this weekend early early in the morning, still

0:31:51.240 --> 0:31:52.760
<v Speaker 1>dark out, so I just have a head lamp and

0:31:52.800 --> 0:31:54.680
<v Speaker 1>I'm in the woods. I don't know really where I am,

0:31:54.720 --> 0:31:58.280
<v Speaker 1>and I start to hear a noise, and then all

0:31:58.280 --> 0:32:00.600
<v Speaker 1>of a sudden, that noise starts to get a little louder,

0:32:02.120 --> 0:32:05.400
<v Speaker 1>and it's coming towards me. And again it's dark except

0:32:05.440 --> 0:32:07.480
<v Speaker 1>from my head lamp, and I just hear all of

0:32:07.520 --> 0:32:10.200
<v Speaker 1>this wrestling. It's kind of getting louder. It's come, and

0:32:10.320 --> 0:32:12.840
<v Speaker 1>so I start to get a little scared. I'm not

0:32:12.880 --> 0:32:15.480
<v Speaker 1>gonna lie, and then all of a sudden, this little

0:32:15.520 --> 0:32:17.440
<v Speaker 1>bunny rabbit runs across the trail right in front of me,

0:32:18.720 --> 0:32:21.400
<v Speaker 1>a little cute, little bunny rabbit, and I gotta stop.

0:32:21.440 --> 0:32:24.880
<v Speaker 1>I was like bunny. I had to catch myself. But

0:32:24.920 --> 0:32:28.200
<v Speaker 1>then I realized, like it was just a bunny. The

0:32:28.280 --> 0:32:32.160
<v Speaker 1>point is, whenever we keep things in the dark, a

0:32:32.200 --> 0:32:34.120
<v Speaker 1>lot of times they can be a lot bigger than

0:32:34.520 --> 0:32:36.640
<v Speaker 1>we think they are, and in our minds they can

0:32:36.680 --> 0:32:38.520
<v Speaker 1>be a lot bigger. It may just be a small

0:32:38.520 --> 0:32:41.560
<v Speaker 1>little bunny rabbit. If you just sit and talk, be honest,

0:32:42.000 --> 0:32:45.880
<v Speaker 1>bring some light to the situation. Because once my light

0:32:46.320 --> 0:32:48.600
<v Speaker 1>saw what it was, it was just a bunny rabbit.

0:32:48.640 --> 0:32:51.760
<v Speaker 1>Wasn't that big a deal? So Dn, that is so good.

0:32:51.880 --> 0:32:55.640
<v Speaker 1>That is amazing. Did you think about that that I

0:32:55.680 --> 0:32:57.720
<v Speaker 1>got scared of a bunny rabbit or did you think

0:32:57.720 --> 0:32:59.120
<v Speaker 1>of that story in your way here, like I'm gonna

0:32:59.160 --> 0:33:01.480
<v Speaker 1>find a way to use that coming here here. No,

0:33:01.560 --> 0:33:06.040
<v Speaker 1>absolutely not, Man, Bernie, that's so good. That's what you

0:33:06.040 --> 0:33:08.480
<v Speaker 1>would tell me. If well, I will, I will say

0:33:08.520 --> 0:33:12.680
<v Speaker 1>that after I started running again, I started analyzing what

0:33:12.760 --> 0:33:16.120
<v Speaker 1>I just went through, and that's what the thought came

0:33:16.160 --> 0:33:19.600
<v Speaker 1>to me was, Hey, that thing was so scary when

0:33:19.640 --> 0:33:21.080
<v Speaker 1>it was in the dark and you didn't know what

0:33:21.160 --> 0:33:25.240
<v Speaker 1>it was. But once you saw it, you know, there's

0:33:25.280 --> 0:33:28.760
<v Speaker 1>nothing to be afraid of. Yes, yeah, I think we

0:33:28.840 --> 0:33:31.160
<v Speaker 1>all that's a good word for all of us right there.

0:33:33.080 --> 0:33:37.400
<v Speaker 1>So Anonymous Wisconsin, you think this is a country club?

0:33:40.360 --> 0:33:42.440
<v Speaker 1>A lot of people do. Man, it is church a

0:33:42.520 --> 0:33:45.920
<v Speaker 1>country club to you? Or is it a youth select

0:33:45.960 --> 0:33:50.440
<v Speaker 1>baseball team? And you're mad at the coach? I mean,

0:33:50.480 --> 0:33:53.680
<v Speaker 1>that's what this email sounds like. It doesn't sound like

0:33:53.760 --> 0:33:59.160
<v Speaker 1>someone that's that's that's part of a life giving community

0:33:59.400 --> 0:34:03.400
<v Speaker 1>that shares in a life giving faith that's outward reaching.

0:34:05.000 --> 0:34:07.080
<v Speaker 1>That doesn't sound like that. It sounds like you're mad

0:34:07.200 --> 0:34:10.240
<v Speaker 1>at the country club owner because you've been a member

0:34:10.480 --> 0:34:12.600
<v Speaker 1>at this country club for four years and he just

0:34:12.640 --> 0:34:15.279
<v Speaker 1>gave your locker away and you're so you're going to

0:34:15.360 --> 0:34:18.040
<v Speaker 1>go to another country club. In fact, you're just gonna

0:34:18.040 --> 0:34:20.640
<v Speaker 1>build your own country club in your own backyard. That's

0:34:20.719 --> 0:34:25.160
<v Speaker 1>kind of what this sounds like. And I want to

0:34:25.200 --> 0:34:27.799
<v Speaker 1>kind of read back the scenario to you. You were

0:34:27.840 --> 0:34:30.200
<v Speaker 1>part of the at that church at the beginning. You

0:34:30.320 --> 0:34:33.839
<v Speaker 1>joined two years ago and the church is only four

0:34:33.880 --> 0:34:35.600
<v Speaker 1>years in, so you've been half of the life of

0:34:35.600 --> 0:34:39.040
<v Speaker 1>the church. You've been there and you're in way before

0:34:39.080 --> 0:34:42.319
<v Speaker 1>they had sixty five people in there. And then the

0:34:42.360 --> 0:34:46.720
<v Speaker 1>pastor is trying to do his due diligence, not defending him,

0:34:46.760 --> 0:34:50.319
<v Speaker 1>just stating the facts. He's doing his due diligence and

0:34:50.400 --> 0:34:54.080
<v Speaker 1>reaching out to people members of the congregation. He stumbles

0:34:54.120 --> 0:34:57.520
<v Speaker 1>upon your name and your wife's name. He reaches out

0:34:57.560 --> 0:35:01.319
<v Speaker 1>to you and he says, I would like you for

0:35:01.400 --> 0:35:04.720
<v Speaker 1>you two to become members. Now, let's stop right there.

0:35:05.040 --> 0:35:07.640
<v Speaker 1>Like we're in a court case right now, we're just

0:35:08.320 --> 0:35:11.879
<v Speaker 1>we're laying out to the to the jury what's happening here.

0:35:12.520 --> 0:35:15.720
<v Speaker 1>The pastor doing due diligence and going down the list

0:35:15.760 --> 0:35:18.920
<v Speaker 1>of people that have attended the church, and he's trying

0:35:18.960 --> 0:35:21.399
<v Speaker 1>to get membership from the people, which is a good thing.

0:35:21.800 --> 0:35:25.560
<v Speaker 1>We want to be members of a body so that

0:35:25.600 --> 0:35:29.280
<v Speaker 1>we could then help with communication, help help delegate serving,

0:35:29.360 --> 0:35:32.360
<v Speaker 1>like who's good at the media team, who's good at music,

0:35:32.400 --> 0:35:35.960
<v Speaker 1>who's good it admissions, Let's delegate. So that's why we

0:35:36.000 --> 0:35:39.400
<v Speaker 1>need members, and the pastor needs to understand who's a

0:35:39.440 --> 0:35:41.440
<v Speaker 1>member and who's not. But he reaches out to you

0:35:41.480 --> 0:35:45.680
<v Speaker 1>and ladies and gentlemen of the jury. He didn't know

0:35:45.719 --> 0:35:49.360
<v Speaker 1>you guys very well, y'all aren't very very prominent people

0:35:49.400 --> 0:35:53.480
<v Speaker 1>in the church because he accidentally called you to ask

0:35:53.520 --> 0:35:56.640
<v Speaker 1>you to be members and he didn't know you. Yeah,

0:35:56.880 --> 0:36:00.000
<v Speaker 1>in a church of sixty five people, I bet you

0:36:00.200 --> 0:36:05.279
<v Speaker 1>dollars to donuts that you are not participating actively in

0:36:05.320 --> 0:36:08.280
<v Speaker 1>the community. There's no way, no way, you're not serving

0:36:08.440 --> 0:36:12.799
<v Speaker 1>in probably any capacity. You're not. You're likely not in

0:36:12.840 --> 0:36:16.120
<v Speaker 1>any kind of small group that is missional in any way.

0:36:16.200 --> 0:36:19.120
<v Speaker 1>Otherwise he would look and see your name. Oh, they

0:36:19.160 --> 0:36:23.240
<v Speaker 1>shouldn't be on this list. Just talk to them yesterday. Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.

0:36:23.400 --> 0:36:27.400
<v Speaker 1>So this this is a huge problem with the corporate

0:36:27.480 --> 0:36:33.360
<v Speaker 1>church in the West. Yeah, consumer consumer based. Yeah, we

0:36:33.480 --> 0:36:35.920
<v Speaker 1>are just going to like you said, it's a country club.

0:36:35.960 --> 0:36:40.840
<v Speaker 1>It's another thing that it's an affiliation, but it misses

0:36:41.239 --> 0:36:44.200
<v Speaker 1>completely misses the biblical intention of the church. So yeah,

0:36:44.600 --> 0:36:47.520
<v Speaker 1>it's like mister and missus anonymous. Oh, of course they're members.

0:36:47.520 --> 0:36:50.000
<v Speaker 1>I just talked to them on Wednesday at the whatever.

0:36:50.960 --> 0:36:56.800
<v Speaker 1>So the appropriate response from you could have been, hey, pastor,

0:36:58.040 --> 0:37:00.840
<v Speaker 1>this is this is actually a little embarrassing, but we

0:37:00.920 --> 0:37:03.920
<v Speaker 1>actually are members, and we just haven't been very active.

0:37:03.960 --> 0:37:06.440
<v Speaker 1>That's why. That's why our names came up and you

0:37:06.440 --> 0:37:09.880
<v Speaker 1>didn't recognize us. But we need to be held accountable.

0:37:09.960 --> 0:37:12.759
<v Speaker 1>We need to we need to be more, be there

0:37:12.800 --> 0:37:16.000
<v Speaker 1>for you more. And so I'm sorry that there's this

0:37:16.080 --> 0:37:22.200
<v Speaker 1>embarrassing mix up. But instead your response was instead, man,

0:37:22.480 --> 0:37:25.600
<v Speaker 1>forget it, We're just gonna go online. The pastor didn't

0:37:25.600 --> 0:37:29.400
<v Speaker 1>even know us. How dare he not even know us?

0:37:29.960 --> 0:37:31.480
<v Speaker 1>That guy's got a lot on his mind. Once again,

0:37:31.480 --> 0:37:34.240
<v Speaker 1>I'm not defending him. Like Bernie said, they're are corrupt pastors.

0:37:34.280 --> 0:37:36.759
<v Speaker 1>Of course, I'm not defending him. I'm just laying out

0:37:36.760 --> 0:37:39.480
<v Speaker 1>the facts for the jury here. You don't have a

0:37:39.600 --> 0:37:42.319
<v Speaker 1>very good case to convince Bernie and I that you're

0:37:42.719 --> 0:37:47.200
<v Speaker 1>really good standing members of this small body church here. Well,

0:37:47.239 --> 0:37:51.360
<v Speaker 1>and for your own just for your own spiritual growth

0:37:51.600 --> 0:37:57.600
<v Speaker 1>and maturity and connectedness to a community. If you're gonna

0:37:57.600 --> 0:38:00.480
<v Speaker 1>have those things. And this is for anybody, include me

0:38:00.560 --> 0:38:03.000
<v Speaker 1>and Granger, Like, we are going to have to be

0:38:03.160 --> 0:38:08.920
<v Speaker 1>people of grace and patience. I don't know why, as

0:38:09.040 --> 0:38:15.520
<v Speaker 1>believers in Jesus who came and displayed perfectly God's grace

0:38:15.760 --> 0:38:19.319
<v Speaker 1>unmerited favor, Like we should be a people more than

0:38:19.440 --> 0:38:23.400
<v Speaker 1>anybody on the face of the earth that sees somebody

0:38:23.440 --> 0:38:30.040
<v Speaker 1>doing something that doesn't deserve our favor or our grace.

0:38:30.120 --> 0:38:33.160
<v Speaker 1>And we were like looking for areas to be like, oh, hey,

0:38:33.520 --> 0:38:35.640
<v Speaker 1>I forgive you, It's all good, it's all good, Like

0:38:35.920 --> 0:38:38.839
<v Speaker 1>let's give grace instead. A lot of times we can

0:38:38.960 --> 0:38:42.480
<v Speaker 1>just become very critical and judgmental. But it's the opposite

0:38:42.520 --> 0:38:46.840
<v Speaker 1>of the Gospel. So this is true probably for your marriage,

0:38:46.920 --> 0:38:50.200
<v Speaker 1>any relationships that you're in. We just need to be

0:38:50.360 --> 0:38:54.120
<v Speaker 1>people that are full of grace, full of patience, and

0:38:54.160 --> 0:38:56.960
<v Speaker 1>full of forgiveness. Yea one hundred percent. If it's going

0:38:57.040 --> 0:39:01.680
<v Speaker 1>to be a healthy relationship, a healthy community, a healthy tchaper. Yeah, yeah,

0:39:02.000 --> 0:39:05.960
<v Speaker 1>let's let's play. Devil's advocates say this pastor should have

0:39:06.040 --> 0:39:08.879
<v Speaker 1>known you, then you could also respond in a way

0:39:08.880 --> 0:39:13.360
<v Speaker 1>that says, pastor, buddy, we just saw you Sunday. We

0:39:13.480 --> 0:39:16.799
<v Speaker 1>are members. You've got a lot on your plate. How

0:39:16.840 --> 0:39:19.359
<v Speaker 1>could I help serve you to take some of this

0:39:19.360 --> 0:39:21.919
<v Speaker 1>this membership status stuff off your plate. We would love

0:39:21.960 --> 0:39:24.759
<v Speaker 1>to help serve you in that way. One more thing here,

0:39:25.080 --> 0:39:27.600
<v Speaker 1>you say at the end, I have a feeling we

0:39:27.640 --> 0:39:30.040
<v Speaker 1>won't be going back. It seems like they're pushing for

0:39:30.160 --> 0:39:34.759
<v Speaker 1>new members for money for the new building. Okay, let's

0:39:34.800 --> 0:39:38.480
<v Speaker 1>take just that. Imagine being a pastor. I'm not, Bernie's not,

0:39:38.719 --> 0:39:44.960
<v Speaker 1>You're not. There's pastors listening. Is that wrong? Is that

0:39:45.120 --> 0:39:49.880
<v Speaker 1>wrong for him to be seeking more of his of

0:39:49.920 --> 0:39:53.920
<v Speaker 1>his flock and a better building for his flock. I

0:39:53.920 --> 0:39:56.480
<v Speaker 1>don't think that's there's nothing wrong. I mean, as long

0:39:56.520 --> 0:39:58.239
<v Speaker 1>as it doesn't become as idol. And that's what he's

0:39:58.280 --> 0:40:01.520
<v Speaker 1>worried about, and that's he's he wasting all this energy

0:40:01.560 --> 0:40:04.920
<v Speaker 1>and it's not shepherding the current flock that he has.

0:40:05.000 --> 0:40:07.600
<v Speaker 1>I understand. But we can't look at that as a

0:40:07.600 --> 0:40:10.840
<v Speaker 1>bad thing, that he wants a bigger, better building for everyone,

0:40:10.920 --> 0:40:16.200
<v Speaker 1>with better facilities. As long as he's content. You understand

0:40:16.200 --> 0:40:19.359
<v Speaker 1>the balance here. But this is another issue that you

0:40:19.400 --> 0:40:23.520
<v Speaker 1>can come forward and say, pastor, we feel like there

0:40:23.600 --> 0:40:28.279
<v Speaker 1>is a lot of effort going into new people so

0:40:28.320 --> 0:40:31.200
<v Speaker 1>that we could have a new building. How could we

0:40:31.400 --> 0:40:36.000
<v Speaker 1>help you shepherd the current people so that they don't

0:40:36.000 --> 0:40:38.839
<v Speaker 1>feel forgotten, so that they don't feel lost. Me and

0:40:38.880 --> 0:40:41.440
<v Speaker 1>my wife would love to be able to do that

0:40:41.719 --> 0:40:44.640
<v Speaker 1>and to cultivate what's already here, Like these are ways

0:40:44.640 --> 0:40:48.240
<v Speaker 1>that you could serve forward instead of recoiling back and saying,

0:40:48.239 --> 0:40:50.440
<v Speaker 1>you know what, I got to feel in this one

0:40:50.560 --> 0:40:56.200
<v Speaker 1>just pushed us away for good. Yeah, we could go

0:40:56.239 --> 0:41:01.239
<v Speaker 1>on this one for a while, but yeah, you gotta

0:41:01.320 --> 0:41:04.239
<v Speaker 1>check yourself, I think, and we all need to, you know,

0:41:04.880 --> 0:41:08.200
<v Speaker 1>where we're kind of at with those kind of relationships.

0:41:08.320 --> 0:41:09.759
<v Speaker 1>Let's hit another one. We don't have a lot of

0:41:09.800 --> 0:41:11.279
<v Speaker 1>time in this break, but we could hit one more.

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<v Speaker 1>Here says dating on deployment. Hey granger, I'm currently deployed

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<v Speaker 1>overseas with the Army, and me and this girl started

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<v Speaker 1>a relationship right before I left. I put the situation

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<v Speaker 1>in plain text before I left, and she felt confident

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<v Speaker 1>that we could do it. We're two months in now

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<v Speaker 1>and she's having doubts. We've been friends for four years

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<v Speaker 1>now I'm scared a loser? What do I do? Love

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<v Speaker 1>the podcast, Thanks for the advice. PS. Saw you in

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<v Speaker 1>North Lawrence, Ohio for country Fest. Christopher, first of all,

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<v Speaker 1>thanks for your service. Appreciate you emailing and listening and

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<v Speaker 1>being a fan of music. What we got for this guy? Burns?

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<v Speaker 1>He's I mean, and then like the first rule of deployment, like,

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<v Speaker 1>don't start a relationship right before you know you're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>get deployed. Yeah, I mean, thank you for your service, Like,

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<v Speaker 1>don't think only me missed that, but I you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I guess it's neither here nor there. He's in the

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<v Speaker 1>situation he's in. But yes, so the people that are

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<v Speaker 1>not in this city situation, let's make that a unwritten rule.

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<v Speaker 1>Probably don't get into a relationship right before you leave.

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<v Speaker 1>But if you do, like Chris, let's talk about it.

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<v Speaker 1>He said, I put my situation in plain text before

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<v Speaker 1>I left, and she felt confident that we could do it.

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<v Speaker 1>But here's here's the deal. Until you're in it, you

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<v Speaker 1>don't know. You can feel confident like I think I can.

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<v Speaker 1>But until that, you know, the six months goes by,

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<v Speaker 1>the seven months and she's still hasn't seen you, then

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<v Speaker 1>you don't know how she's going to react. That's a

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<v Speaker 1>good point. Ask me right now, if I could climb

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<v Speaker 1>Mount Everest, Yeah, can you climb out? Every dude? You

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<v Speaker 1>know I could, bro I'll do it. You want to

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<v Speaker 1>go tomorrow? Yeah? Right, I promise you. I get half

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<v Speaker 1>a day in and I'm stopping. Yeah. But if whenever

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<v Speaker 1>you're not in it, you're over confident, you're like, of

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<v Speaker 1>course we can fight, do anything. Let's go. So let's

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<v Speaker 1>let's wrap this up by saying, practically, what could he

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<v Speaker 1>do to not lose her? That's what he's worried about. Ultimately,

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<v Speaker 1>there've been friends and he doesn't want to lose her.

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<v Speaker 1>I can tell you how. Let's first of all, say

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<v Speaker 1>how you can lose her. Here's how you can lose

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<v Speaker 1>her by smothering or by saying, please, I don't want

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<v Speaker 1>to lose you. Please? What can I do? Please? Please?

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<v Speaker 1>You better not be Are you seeing somebody else? Is

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<v Speaker 1>this about another guy? Hey? Why didn't you pick up

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<v Speaker 1>your face time at three o'clock? You you missed? You're

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<v Speaker 1>seeing something? You know? Like, that's the way loser. The

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<v Speaker 1>way to not lose her, I think is by saying

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<v Speaker 1>I get it. It's hard to know ahead of time

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<v Speaker 1>what a deployment would be like. So I really care

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<v Speaker 1>about you and I really feel like I could do it.

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<v Speaker 1>But if you can't, I would suggest we hit the

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<v Speaker 1>brakes a little bit back away. Let's I'll give you

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<v Speaker 1>some space. If you need me, you know where to

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<v Speaker 1>find me. I think another thing you could do is

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<v Speaker 1>I'm guessing there's other folks that you're deployed with that

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<v Speaker 1>maybe are deeper into a relationship and maybe have been

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<v Speaker 1>through a deployment and figured out how to do that,

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<v Speaker 1>and maybe ask their advice, ask them the situation. They'll

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<v Speaker 1>be able to, you know, give you some advice. It's

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<v Speaker 1>very different than you know, me and Gris, but yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe ask them and they may say, yeah, dude, you

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<v Speaker 1>probably if you're just this much in and you're already

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<v Speaker 1>feeling this, you probably need to give her the space

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, do a granger set. But maybe they'll

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<v Speaker 1>have something else for you. I don't know. Appreciate you,

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<v Speaker 1>Chris and all of y'all. Thanks for listening. We'll see

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