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Speaker 1: Welcome Bird Gang on today's show. Yes, we'll discuss Championship

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Speaker 1: Sunday and begin to look at Super Bowl fifty five.

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Speaker 1: There is little game before then, and Kyla Murray is

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Speaker 1: going to be featured very prominently. We'll explain what to

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Speaker 1: expect with a virtual Pull Bowl, at least what we know. Plus,

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Speaker 1: Murray is part of a very exclusive club and his

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Speaker 1: inclusion should make all Cardinals fans happy. It's Cardinals Cover two,

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Speaker 1: Episode three eighty nine, and it starts now. Welcome to

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Speaker 1: Cardinals Cover two with Craig Grigolew and Mike Jarecki. Cardinals

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Speaker 1: Cover two is presented by Hunday, proud partner of the

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Speaker 1: Arizona Cardinals and by Arizona Cardinals Podcasts. Visit acy Cardinals

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Speaker 1: dot com Slash podcasts. Murray rolls to the right, throws

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Speaker 1: near sight of Fritz Bob Pens into the end zone

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Speaker 1: for the touchdown. Here's Craig Griolu and Mike Jarecki. Two

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Speaker 1: weeks to dissect preview hype up Super Bowl fifty five

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Speaker 1: on February seventh, though MJ. Next Sunday, January thirty first

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Speaker 1: is the Pro Bowl and the Cardinals will be featured

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Speaker 1: very prominently Buddha Baker, DeAndre Hopkins, name starters, Kyla Murray

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Speaker 1: one of three quarterbacks named the NFC team, and then,

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Speaker 1: of course, the twenty twenty one Pro Bowl this year

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Speaker 1: is virtual using Madden NFL twenty one. Now the question

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Speaker 1: is what does that mean. We found a little bit

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Speaker 1: more what that means here earlier today in burd Gang. Yes,

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Speaker 1: we're operating here a little bit less than one hundred

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Speaker 1: this edition of Cardinals covered too. But this Virtual Pro Bowl, MJ.

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Speaker 1: I'm fascinated because one and we've talked about it, I

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Speaker 1: using the official AFC and NFC rosters. Leave it to

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Speaker 1: the NFL and a pandemic to still have the Pro Bowl. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and I got to assume this is right up his alley,

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Speaker 1: and we know he plays a lot of Call of Duty.

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Speaker 1: But you know, we know a lot of guys, especially

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Speaker 1: five years and it's true, no risk it, no biscuit.

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Speaker 1: And I thought Ken Summers had an interesting tweet during

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Speaker 1: the game. Even though they have a lead, you think

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Speaker 1: and they're going to run it, and you know, you

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Speaker 1: got to give that Packers defense because they have two

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Speaker 1: pass rushers, so I didn't know if they're going to

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Speaker 1: try to spend it or run it. But you know,

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Speaker 1: for the most part, though Tom Brady obviously felt comfortable

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Speaker 1: throwing to Scottie Miller. King was getting a few, so

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Speaker 1: all day, I'm shocked that they didn't have two safeties

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Speaker 1: back there for help. But give Brady credit, he recognized

436
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Speaker 1: it and now was a huge play going into halftime.

437
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Speaker 1: It was a tremendous call and Bruce Arians said it

438
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Speaker 1: was all Tom Brady to go for that home run shot.

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Speaker 1: And you mentioned the time because you still are sort

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Speaker 1: of in field goal range. At that position, it's going

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Speaker 1: to be more than fifty yards. I think it was

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Speaker 1: about fifty five or fifty seven yards, so it's not

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Speaker 1: a gimme. Maybe you do go for that quick pass,

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Speaker 1: get closer, and I thought was my think, and then

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Speaker 1: all of a sudden they go for a deep shot.

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Speaker 1: If that falls incomplete, you're lucky. You've got one second

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Speaker 1: left on the clock. But it was a risk. You

448
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Speaker 1: just said it though, no risk, no biscuit, And for

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Speaker 1: Bruce Arians, it pays off. And for a lot of

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Speaker 1: those coaches on that staff, a lot of Cardinals ties.

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Speaker 1: You brought, Todd Bowles, Byron Leftwich. There are a number

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Speaker 1: of people that were here when Bruce Arians was the

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Speaker 1: head coach. Now they're in Tampa Bay with the Bucks.

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Speaker 1: So happy for everyone over there. But we go back

455
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Speaker 1: to why the Packers weren't able to get over the hump,

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Speaker 1: and I go back to what they were able to

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Speaker 1: do with those takeaways, settling for field goals and touchdowns.

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Speaker 1: But there is that one decision on fourth down, just

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Speaker 1: outside of the two minute mark. You are down eight

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Speaker 1: if you're the Packers, it's fourth end goal and the

461
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Speaker 1: decision is to kick a field goal. Okay, so that

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Speaker 1: pulls you to within five. You still need a touchdown,

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Speaker 1: You've got Aaron Rodgers, you still are outside of the

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Speaker 1: two minute warning, You've got all of your timeouts. I

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Speaker 1: didn't understand the decision to kick a field goal when

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Speaker 1: you're that close, knowing, yes, you needed a touchdown plus

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Speaker 1: the two point conversion. But a field goal there, MJ

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Speaker 1: does you no good. You still need to get a

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Speaker 1: stop and then you still need a touchdown. So it

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Speaker 1: made no sense to me. I've heard, I've read some

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Speaker 1: of the reasoning, but I just don't get it, especially

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Speaker 1: when A you've got Aaron Rodgers, and B Tom Brady's

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Speaker 1: on the other side of the field, the greatest quarterback ever.

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Speaker 1: So it's just it's one of those. At the time

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Speaker 1: I was questioning it, it wasn't hindsight, it was in

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Speaker 1: the moment. You have to go for it there. Even

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Speaker 1: if you fail, you've penned the Bucks inside the ten

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Speaker 1: yard line. You still got the two minute warning coming up,

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Speaker 1: so that's an additional clock stoppage, and then you try

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Speaker 1: to get a stop defensively, and unfortunately, Packers failed and

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Speaker 1: the Buccaneers were able to run out the clock. Craig,

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Speaker 1: I want to go back though, when the game was

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Speaker 1: twenty eight seventeen, about nine minutes to go in the

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Speaker 1: third quarter, and Tom Brady threw his first interception. The

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Speaker 1: Packers go on a nice thirteen play drive sixty eight yards,

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Speaker 1: a couple of penalties, and unfortunately they don't get the

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Speaker 1: two point conversion. So let's fast forward now to the

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Speaker 1: fourth quarter when you have the Packers who decide that

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Speaker 1: with fourth and eight at the eight yard line. Now

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Speaker 1: keep in mind they got four timeouts. You got the

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Speaker 1: two minute warning and they got three, So it's two

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Speaker 1: o nine to me when you're that close. Now, if

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Speaker 1: you're at the thirty and you're not gonna get that

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Speaker 1: to where you hope you get an on site kick

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Speaker 1: or get the ball back. But the fact is Aaron

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Speaker 1: Rodgers sitting in on the bench and then people are like,

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Speaker 1: you better not get Tom Brady too much time. Okay,

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Speaker 1: at that point, you got to get the ball back.

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Speaker 1: So you know, Aaron Rodgers said it wasn't his call,

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Speaker 1: but he understood the dynamics of the fourth time out.

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Speaker 1: But when you're down that close, and Aaron Rodgers I believe,

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Speaker 1: and he started after the game he thought it was

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Speaker 1: four down territory because he was he could have ran

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Speaker 1: in the end zone on third down. Now that could

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Speaker 1: have closed up. Man, he gets down to the two

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Speaker 1: yard line, you know that's not gonna help because it

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Speaker 1: was fourth. It was third and eight and fourth and eight,

508
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Speaker 1: and but he thought he had two plays and it

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Speaker 1: didn't turn out that weight and your mindset is a

510
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Speaker 1: quarterback saying this is four down territory. So we don't

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Speaker 1: get it here. I got another oution never happened. So

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Speaker 1: we're in agreement here, which is always good. On Cardinals

513
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Speaker 1: Cover two. You know, I know sometimes you know the

514
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Speaker 1: analytics and you look at the numbers, and the numbers

515
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Speaker 1: are supposed to dictate what you're supposed to do. And

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Speaker 1: I understand that. And thanks to our colleague Kylo to Guard,

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Speaker 1: I've come around more to that side of things that

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Speaker 1: are on the flip side. There is, and we've talked

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Speaker 1: about it. There's the other factors flow of the game,

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Speaker 1: how you're performing, also who's on your team, who's on

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Speaker 1: the other team, and this fact that you have two

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Speaker 1: of the best quarterbacks not only this year, but to

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Speaker 1: have ever played the ball game. As a head coach,

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Speaker 1: that has to factor into your decision. And I also

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Speaker 1: blame everyone else on that Green Bay coaching staff. I'm sorry, Yes,

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Speaker 1: the onus falls on the head coach, but he's got

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Speaker 1: to be open to other ideas of the suggestions. Someone's

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Speaker 1: got to get in his ear and say, what are

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Speaker 1: you doing? No, you have to go for it. And

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Speaker 1: I know sometimes all of this is happening within split seconds,

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Speaker 1: but I I certainly understand the frustration from Aaron Rodgers

532
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Speaker 1: standpoint to where he then was asked about the future

533
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Speaker 1: and he had those comments which we alluded to earlier

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Speaker 1: in this show that now has everyone thinking, oh, has

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Speaker 1: he played his final game in Green Bay? Who knows.

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Speaker 1: But it's decisions like that that are very hard to erase,

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Speaker 1: just as Seattle fans about the decision to throw the

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Speaker 1: ball at the goal line versus to hand it off

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Speaker 1: to Marshawn Lynch. And Tom Brady's got a Super Bowl

540
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Speaker 1: ring because of it. Instead of, you know, not having

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Speaker 1: five rings, he has six. You know. So we go

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Speaker 1: back to when Brady threw his first interception, they capitalized,

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Speaker 1: they didn't get the two point conversion. So if the

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Speaker 1: Packers are honest with them. Hells Brady throws back to

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Speaker 1: back interceptions and they go three and out, three and out,

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Speaker 1: and that then once they got the ball back, they

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Speaker 1: had a punt with eight minutes to go, and that's

548
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Speaker 1: when Ryan suck Up kicked a forty six yard field

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Speaker 1: and they're up thirty one twenty three basically with four

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Speaker 1: minutes to go in the game, four forty two. So

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00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:25,360
Speaker 1: they took advantage of the first pick and that's why

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Speaker 1: it's only six points because they missed it two. But

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Speaker 1: they went three and out in both of those possessions,

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Speaker 1: and that's why I give the Bucks defense credit. They

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Speaker 1: were rushing four, Craig, and it wasn't like it. You know,

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Speaker 1: I know Title will bring five, but they were rushing four,

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Speaker 1: and it's saying you're gonna throw in some tight windows

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Speaker 1: and there were some open receivers for the most part.

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Speaker 1: But I just think that you know that people aren't

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Speaker 1: talking about that enough. You get three turnovers and you

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Speaker 1: get two in the fourth quarter, and you can't you

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Speaker 1: can't capitalize just getting the drive to keep them off

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Speaker 1: the field, letting the let alone getting that Ryan suck

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Speaker 1: Up field goals. So you know, listen, I'm being tongue

565
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Speaker 1: in cheek here. These guys spend eighty hours in the

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Speaker 1: office probably, you know. And we've seen it a few

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Speaker 1: times now. We've seen it with Frank Wright, We've seen

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Speaker 1: it with Mike Rabel, and we've seen it now with

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Speaker 1: Matt Lafleur. And I can make a case maybe Sean

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Speaker 1: McDermott at times you cannot kick field goals against the Chiefs.

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Speaker 1: And we'll get into that here momentarily. So you know

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Speaker 1: how I feel about analytics. I think it's a tool,

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Speaker 1: but also the flow, the momentum, and what does your

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Speaker 1: guts say versus the analytics because you're on the field, analytics,

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Speaker 1: is this an overall view of what you should do

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Speaker 1: in a certain situation. You have to know down in

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Speaker 1: distance and how the game's going. So I think it's

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Speaker 1: a good tool to have. But when we're seeing these

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Speaker 1: coaches and they probably feel awful the day after because

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Speaker 1: they got answer to the owner, they got answer to

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Speaker 1: the GM, They're gonna have to, you know, take it

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Speaker 1: from the fan base. But you know, it was a

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Speaker 1: great year. They had home field advantage, and I just wonder,

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Speaker 1: you know, I just don't think we should read too

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Speaker 1: much of what he said, just because it's you're talking

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Speaker 1: about right after the game. You know, he does stuff

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Speaker 1: with Pat McAfee. You know, we'll see if he's golfing

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Speaker 1: this year. But I just think maybe one more year.

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Speaker 1: But clearly they gonna I don't know if it's about weapons,

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Speaker 1: because they're running backs. Jones got hurt, you get a

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Speaker 1: chest injury, and they drafted aj Dillon, who's got big casts,

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Speaker 1: and then they went out and got Jamal at Jamal Williams.

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Speaker 1: So I don't know if it's the running game. You know,

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Speaker 1: the tight ends they played well, you got Davonte Adams,

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Speaker 1: you got Lazard. So I don't know what the answers are,

596
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Speaker 1: but they're gonna do a lot of soul searching this

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Speaker 1: offseason with the like we have with what if what if?

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Speaker 1: And I think the teams I mentioned and I didn't.

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Speaker 1: You know, we'll get into the Bills game. But you know, again,

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Speaker 1: coaches jobs that are put players in position to play

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Speaker 1: make plays, and Aaron Rodgers should have been on the field.

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Speaker 1: Buccaneers advanced twenty six. They will play Kansas City as

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Speaker 1: we flip it over the AFC Championship game, Chiefs over

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Speaker 1: the Bills thirty eight to twenty four. Buffalo, though, jumped

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Speaker 1: out to a nine nothing lead before the Chiefs finally

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Speaker 1: got on track. And you look at some of the

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Speaker 1: numbers you have. Patrick Mahomes is going to get his

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Speaker 1: but Tyreek Hill one hundred and seventy two yards receiving,

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Speaker 1: Travis Kelsey one hundred and eighteen yards receiving two touchdowns.

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Speaker 1: This Chiefs team can score at will, and we go

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Speaker 1: back to coaching decisions because of the Chiefs and their

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Speaker 1: ability to put up points in a hurry. If you're Buffalo,

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Speaker 1: you get inside the red zone, you can't settle for

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Speaker 1: field goals. You have to go for it. Even if

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Speaker 1: it's fourth and three, fourth and two, you have to

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Speaker 1: push it. And the Bills didn't. They kicked the field goals.

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Speaker 1: And at the end of the day, you know, as

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Speaker 1: you say you're Niagara, math seven's greater than three and

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Speaker 1: if you keep kicking field goals, you're never gonna catch

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Speaker 1: up to a team that's going touchdowns. Yeah, and Buffalo

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Speaker 1: was four for four on field goals. I want to

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Speaker 1: say they miss the i extra point. That's because it

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Speaker 1: was nine nothing. They were two for five in the

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Speaker 1: in the red zone, which is forty percent, and on

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Speaker 1: the other side, the Chiefs were five or six eighty

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Speaker 1: three percent. So I mean in Buffalo, you know, they

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Speaker 1: haven't really been able to run the football maybe like

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Speaker 1: they did earlier this season, you know, between you know,

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Speaker 1: you look at Josh Ellen, he let him again in

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Speaker 1: rushing seventy seven carries for eighty eight yards. And then

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Speaker 1: you look at Singletary six carry seventeen yards t j Yelden.

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Speaker 1: So they but on paper they averaged you know, seven

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Speaker 1: point two because you had a couple of long runs there.

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Speaker 1: But I thought Josh Allen that was the first time

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Speaker 1: I think he felt the pressure. You could see it

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Speaker 1: in his eyes. He wasn't you know, he was scrambling,

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Speaker 1: but guys weren't open, you know. You know, you look

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Speaker 1: at dig six catches for seventy seven yards. He was

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Speaker 1: targeted eleven times. Cole Beasley. We find out he was

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Speaker 1: playing through some injuries. He had nine targets, seven catches

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Speaker 1: for eighty eight yards. But you know the thing is

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Speaker 1: you want to keep Patrick Mahomes on the sidelines, and

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Speaker 1: so you got you got to possess the ball and

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Speaker 1: it was pretty even there. But when you just look

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Speaker 1: at total plays in the game, the Chiefs ran sixty

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Speaker 1: four and Buffalo ran seventy. But the cheese average are

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Speaker 1: close to seven yards per attempt the Bills at five

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Speaker 1: to two. So that's a learning experience. But that was

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Speaker 1: the first time that I thought, you know, you know,

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Speaker 1: Buffalo obviously had to win some games to get there,

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Speaker 1: and you know that they were able to be at home,

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Speaker 1: and now you got to go on the rope. I looked,

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Speaker 1: just looked at Josh Allen. He looked this first time.

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Speaker 1: I think he felt the pressure because they are sixty

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Speaker 1: minutes and I think they were hoping for a nailbiter.

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Speaker 1: I really do it, maybe to win it in the

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Speaker 1: fourth quarter. And as you pointed out, the chief score

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Speaker 1: twenty one points in the second quarter, ten and in

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Speaker 1: the third, seven in the fourth and Buffalo really field goal,

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Speaker 1: field goal, and then nine points, so as you pointed out,

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Speaker 1: thirty eight twenty four. So that and that's going to

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Speaker 1: be the key to beat them. All the time, there

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Speaker 1: was so much talk about, oh the Chiefs of only one,

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Speaker 1: you know, they're like six and one and one score games. Well, again,

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Speaker 1: they know how to finish and good teams find ways

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Speaker 1: to win, and I think, you know, you look at

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Speaker 1: what they do, it's not a surprise that they're back

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Speaker 1: to the super Bowl, just based on you know, the AFC,

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Speaker 1: you got an up and coming team like the Bills.

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Speaker 1: I think the Ravens still needs some weapons. You know,

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Speaker 1: you look at the Chiefs and you know Pittsburgh was

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Speaker 1: down towards the end of the year, so you just

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Speaker 1: start looking at it, and it wouldn't surprise me if

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Speaker 1: they're going to be a favorite again next year. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: the Chiefs are very, very good. And the one thing

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Speaker 1: about that team that doesn't get a lot of the

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Speaker 1: credit is that Chiefs defense. Yes, yes, offense is going

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Speaker 1: to put up thirty eight points, but that defense held

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Speaker 1: a very good Bills team that had not lost since

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Speaker 1: the Hell Murray at State Farm Stadium. Yet they got

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Speaker 1: to Josh Allen four times as far as sacking him,

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Speaker 1: and then outside of Allen, they had no run game.

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Speaker 1: And that was all the Chiefs and that defense, those guys,

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Speaker 1: the defensive lineman and the linebackers, and of course Tyrn Matthew,

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Speaker 1: the former Arrows and a cardinal. I think the heart

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Speaker 1: and soul, not only of that defense, but the entire

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Speaker 1: team in general. He yearned that early on in his

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Speaker 1: career when he landed in Kansas City. But it is

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Speaker 1: certainly worth noting that that Chiefs defense equal to that

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Speaker 1: Chiefs offense. As far as why the Chiefs now have

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Speaker 1: an opportunity to do what only the Patriots have done recently,

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Speaker 1: and that has went back to back Super Bowls. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and in two playoff games, they held the Browns seventeen

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Speaker 1: points and they held the Bills to twenty four. And

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Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes and he is yet to throw at an interception,

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Speaker 1: He's only been sacked once. He's completing seventy four percent

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Speaker 1: of his passes. And then you just look at guys.

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Speaker 1: You mentioned Travis Kelsey, He's got twenty one catches, three touchdowns.

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Speaker 1: Tyreek Hill's got seventeen catches, two hundred eighty two yards.

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Speaker 1: That's seventy one yard. I mean, you can't teach speed.

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Speaker 1: You know, it was amazing and we shouldn't be surprised,

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Speaker 1: and you felt for Hardman, but he got a chance

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Speaker 1: to redeem himself with a touchdown after that fumble. And

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Speaker 1: I was curious if they're going to try to run

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Speaker 1: the football and really we heard a lot about Clyde

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Speaker 1: Edwards Hilaire and he had missed the previous game, but

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Speaker 1: it was Williams twenty six carries one hundred and thirty yards,

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Speaker 1: and then Clyde's Hilaire maybe more in the end of

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Speaker 1: the game he had six carries for only seven yards.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, you know, it really didn't come down to

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Speaker 1: special team so to speak, which I thought, you know,

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Speaker 1: that's going to feel position. But you know, anytime you

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Speaker 1: get turnovers, and that's why it's disappointing if you're a

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Speaker 1: Packers fan. Now, as for you know, Josh Allen, you know,

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Speaker 1: I think it's a learning experience for him. And they

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Speaker 1: got a good roster. Now they may lose one of

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Speaker 1: their coordinators in Leslie Frasier. Brian Dables should be a

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Speaker 1: head coach. He'll be in the cycle next year along

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Speaker 1: with Todd Bolls. So I got they got some good

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Speaker 1: things there, Unleslie Frazier. He did a great job at

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Speaker 1: that Bill's defense throughout the year and even going back

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Speaker 1: to the Hall Murray game. Now the Bills aren't going anywhere,

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Speaker 1: and now you look at the Chiefs. The Bills, although

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Speaker 1: in the Ravens as far as three young quarterbacks who

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Speaker 1: have all taken significant steps forward. And we'll go full

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Speaker 1: circle here on what we started this edition of Cardinals

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Speaker 1: cover Too, presented by Hunday, proud partner of the Arizona Cardinals,

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Speaker 1: and that is Kyler Murray trying to get into that

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Speaker 1: club as well, moving the Cardinals into the playoffs and

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Speaker 1: then taking that next step winning a playoff game, then

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Speaker 1: getting the conference championship game, and hopefully one day getting

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Speaker 1: to the Super Bowl and then winning a Super Bowl. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: The thing is, though, we talked about Mahomes, and we

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Speaker 1: talk about Lamar Jackson and Josh Allen, and the AFC

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Speaker 1: has loaded with quarterbacks twenty six and younger. I'll put

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Speaker 1: Joe Burrow in there. I was thoroughly impressed. I don't

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Speaker 1: know if Zach Taylor's a long term answer, but clearly

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Speaker 1: you got to get him weapons to get that offensive line.

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Speaker 1: But he looked like he passed the eye test. It's

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Speaker 1: just but in the NFC, you know, it looks like

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Speaker 1: Drew Brees hasn't announced it, but likely retired. You know,

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Speaker 1: Brady's probably gonna play at least another year, maybe two years.

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Speaker 1: But you got some turnover though, and you got some

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Speaker 1: guys that they are manning positions right now, like Jimmy

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Speaker 1: Garoppolo and Jared Goff and Carson Wentz, and I don't

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Speaker 1: know if those teams are one hundred percent sold on

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Speaker 1: those guys. Now again, a little bit different with Wentz

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Speaker 1: the money they paid him, they got Jalen Hurts there.

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Speaker 1: So the NFC to me is and that's why it's

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Speaker 1: so fascinating to me that Aaron Rodgers only has one

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Speaker 1: Super Bowl win. Okay, in same with Russell Wilson, you

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Speaker 1: should have two and then Drew Brees. And you look

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Speaker 1: in the AFC and it's been Tom Brady, Peyton Manning

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Speaker 1: now Mahomes and then throwing Joe Flacco. But the NFC

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00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:56,960
Speaker 1: has been wide open over the years. And you give

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Speaker 1: Nick Foles credit, you know, winning the Super Bowl with

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Speaker 1: the Eagles, But to me, it's wide open where in

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Speaker 1: the AFC you're gonna have stiff competition and eventually those

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Speaker 1: teams and when Brady retires and Breeze retires now they

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Speaker 1: may go with Jameis Winston. So I think the NFC

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Speaker 1: is more wide open where the AFC is top heavy,

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Speaker 1: because you know you're gonna have to go to Kansas City,

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Speaker 1: you may have to go to Buffalo here. I mean,

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Speaker 1: give the give the Packers credit. Nobody thought home field

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Speaker 1: advantage would matter this year, but you know, getting snow

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Speaker 1: had helped, even though Brady's played in that weather. And

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Speaker 1: Bruce Arian said, when you're on the field, you're warm,

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Speaker 1: but on the sidelines, you gotta keep warm. So but

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Speaker 1: I do think that the NFC is wide open, and

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Speaker 1: I'm sure you can build it. You know, the Saints

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Speaker 1: roster's probably not gonna change a lot, But I just

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Speaker 1: think the NFC is more wide open than the AFC,

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Speaker 1: just based on those young quarterbacks now in the NFC.

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Speaker 1: You know, you got Kyler Murray, then you're throwing. You know,

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Speaker 1: Daniel Jones, is he the answer? You got some young quarterbacks.

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Speaker 1: You know, we'll see what happens with Golf and Garoppolo.

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Speaker 1: But to me, the NFC is wide open, and that's

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Speaker 1: why you have to win your division to host a

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Speaker 1: playoff game. So Super Bowl fifty five again, it will

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Speaker 1: be the Buccaneers and the Chiefs, and that will come

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Speaker 1: your way on February seventh. Will have more on that

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Speaker 1: game later this week, and then of course the following

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Speaker 1: week as well, as we inch closer and closer to

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Speaker 1: the final game of the twenty twenty season regular season

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Speaker 1: and postseason as well, it should be a lot of fun.

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Speaker 1: There's gonna be a lot of Mahomes Brady talk, and

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Speaker 1: they're certainly gonna be a lot of talk about these

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Speaker 1: two head coaches as well. Andy Reid Bruce arians a

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Speaker 1: lot to like and a lot to dissect, and there's

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Speaker 1: going to be plenty of time to do that. MJ Well,

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Speaker 1: I think we're missed to say they're the first team

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Speaker 1: that is hosting the Super Bowl and playing in the game.

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Speaker 1: I think every year teams look, ay, we're hosting the

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Speaker 1: Super Bowl. Now, there's been teams that are played like

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Speaker 1: twenty miles away. If you watch some of the Bucks practice,

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Speaker 1: you can see the stadium in the background, so it's

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Speaker 1: much closer. But there have been games that are twenty

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Speaker 1: miles where they wentn't play in their original stadium, like

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Speaker 1: in Stanford and the colisseam, et cetera. But this is

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Speaker 1: the first time, and you know, the Cardinals a couple

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Speaker 1: of years from now, Craig, they're gonna be hosting the

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Speaker 1: Super Bowl and hopefully, you know, we're having a conversation

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Speaker 1: about playoff games and not disappointments to an eight and

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Speaker 1: eighth season. Well, fingers crossed, knock on wood that all

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Speaker 1: happens in the future for the Arizona Cardinals, And on

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Speaker 1: that note, we will put a lid on this edition

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Speaker 1: of Cardinals Covered two, presented by Hunday, proud partner of

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Speaker 1: the Arizona Cardinals. As always, special thanks to our executive

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Speaker 1: producer Jim Alma Hundre. For Mike Jarecky, I'm Greg Reel Loup.

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Speaker 1: We'll talk to you next time you're on Cardinals Cover two.