1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:12,239 Speaker 1: M from grandmothers who whispered in their baby girl in 2 00:00:13,440 --> 00:00:16,920 Speaker 1: two fathers on dimly lit street corners, instructing young soldiers 3 00:00:16,920 --> 00:00:20,959 Speaker 1: to always keep their eyes open. You be queen, you 4 00:00:21,040 --> 00:00:24,279 Speaker 1: were fired. You will pass through centuries on the hands 5 00:00:24,320 --> 00:00:28,720 Speaker 1: of your daughters. They called you wisdom. Proverbs on the 6 00:00:28,800 --> 00:00:32,320 Speaker 1: backs of diamond eyed school children who growing into hymnals 7 00:00:32,360 --> 00:00:37,200 Speaker 1: recited by amethyst holding urban philosophers who recited neighborhood commandments 8 00:00:37,240 --> 00:00:40,680 Speaker 1: out of the windows of restored ALCHEMYO cheriots to keep 9 00:00:40,720 --> 00:00:46,080 Speaker 1: the warmth of their blood. Be wise, be smart, being black, 10 00:00:46,120 --> 00:00:50,760 Speaker 1: Opal Brown courts, bloodstone and prayer. Be every form of 11 00:00:50,880 --> 00:00:57,080 Speaker 1: jim se King told, scribe, scribe, told son, son, told wife, 12 00:00:57,480 --> 00:01:00,080 Speaker 1: wife told her daughter, and daughter told the ass. This 13 00:01:00,280 --> 00:01:03,320 Speaker 1: is at the ancestors told me that you would come 14 00:01:04,040 --> 00:01:08,639 Speaker 1: to give wisdom. Thousands. They said you would come. Dropping 15 00:01:09,240 --> 00:01:14,600 Speaker 1: Roping Gem Welcome to the Dropping Gems podcast. I'm Debbie Brown. 16 00:01:14,959 --> 00:01:17,200 Speaker 1: This is my podcast. It is a place where we 17 00:01:17,280 --> 00:01:21,280 Speaker 1: explore higher consciousness and really ground it, really ingor it 18 00:01:21,280 --> 00:01:24,560 Speaker 1: into the present moment so that we can live it, 19 00:01:24,680 --> 00:01:28,920 Speaker 1: embody it, use it to transform ourselves and others, and 20 00:01:29,360 --> 00:01:33,040 Speaker 1: ultimately live the highest vision of our lives. That is 21 00:01:33,160 --> 00:01:36,200 Speaker 1: my intention for myself, that has my intention for each 22 00:01:36,240 --> 00:01:40,640 Speaker 1: person that comes across this show. So today's episode, I 23 00:01:40,680 --> 00:01:44,760 Speaker 1: had a chance to record a really fun and interesting 24 00:01:44,840 --> 00:01:49,040 Speaker 1: episode of the Money Moves Podcast. Now. Money Moves Podcast 25 00:01:49,120 --> 00:01:52,480 Speaker 1: is an in depth podcast that is hosted by Tanya Sam, 26 00:01:52,560 --> 00:01:57,280 Speaker 1: a really gorgeous, dynamic, brilliant woman, and I had a 27 00:01:57,520 --> 00:02:00,480 Speaker 1: really great time being in conversation with her. The show 28 00:02:00,560 --> 00:02:03,400 Speaker 1: is dedicated to empowering black and brown communities to in 29 00:02:03,520 --> 00:02:07,440 Speaker 1: the wealth gap by providing financial planning tips, with guests 30 00:02:07,440 --> 00:02:10,600 Speaker 1: sharing their successes and how they balanced the money moves 31 00:02:10,600 --> 00:02:14,640 Speaker 1: behind their names and businesses so they're making money moves 32 00:02:14,720 --> 00:02:17,920 Speaker 1: to in the wealth gap. By highlighting the celebrities that 33 00:02:17,919 --> 00:02:20,760 Speaker 1: are making significant money moves and giving a platform to 34 00:02:20,880 --> 00:02:24,640 Speaker 1: experts in the financial literacy space and an opportunity to 35 00:02:24,680 --> 00:02:28,680 Speaker 1: break the myths holding all of our communities back. The host, 36 00:02:28,720 --> 00:02:31,160 Speaker 1: as I shared, her name, is Tanya Sam. She's so dope. 37 00:02:31,560 --> 00:02:34,799 Speaker 1: She's a tech savvy businesswoman. She's the director of Partnerships 38 00:02:34,800 --> 00:02:38,280 Speaker 1: at tech Square Labs, a technology startup, phub and venture 39 00:02:38,320 --> 00:02:41,800 Speaker 1: capital fund, and Tanya is passionate about creating pathways to 40 00:02:41,840 --> 00:02:46,680 Speaker 1: bring more women and minorities into business and technology. Yes, 41 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:50,960 Speaker 1: so needed. So I did an episode of their podcast 42 00:02:51,080 --> 00:02:53,959 Speaker 1: that they're going to be premiering on their network in 43 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:56,400 Speaker 1: the next couple of weeks. But they gave me permission 44 00:02:56,440 --> 00:02:59,840 Speaker 1: to give you an advanced listen and share my episode 45 00:02:59,840 --> 00:03:04,200 Speaker 1: of Money Moves with Tanya sam Here on Dropping Gems. 46 00:03:04,240 --> 00:03:07,880 Speaker 1: So in this episode, we explore mindfulness, we explore some 47 00:03:07,960 --> 00:03:11,480 Speaker 1: money moves, um, and I give a little bit of 48 00:03:11,560 --> 00:03:16,280 Speaker 1: thought around building a business in this space and things 49 00:03:16,320 --> 00:03:18,600 Speaker 1: that you might want to consider if you're called to teach. 50 00:03:19,280 --> 00:03:23,560 Speaker 1: So that is this. I hope you enjoyed the episode. Hey, 51 00:03:23,639 --> 00:03:26,840 Speaker 1: money Movers, Welcome back to Money Moves, the daily podcast 52 00:03:26,919 --> 00:03:29,000 Speaker 1: determined to give you the keys to the Kingdom of 53 00:03:29,040 --> 00:03:40,880 Speaker 1: financial stability, wealth and abundance. Welcome money Movers to the 54 00:03:40,920 --> 00:03:45,720 Speaker 1: Money Moves podcast powered by Greenwood. Our expert this week. 55 00:03:45,800 --> 00:03:48,960 Speaker 1: Serves as the Chief Impact Officer at Chopra Global and 56 00:03:49,080 --> 00:03:52,240 Speaker 1: is the voice of daily Meditations on the Chopra Wellness apps. 57 00:03:52,360 --> 00:03:55,640 Speaker 1: She is a well being educator and author, the founder 58 00:03:55,680 --> 00:03:58,560 Speaker 1: of Karma Bliss, and the founding board member of the 59 00:03:58,640 --> 00:04:02,960 Speaker 1: Mental Wealth Alliance, host of the Black Effect Network podcast 60 00:04:03,120 --> 00:04:09,160 Speaker 1: Dropping Gems. A seasoned broadcaster and a multimodality healing practitioner, 61 00:04:09,560 --> 00:04:13,040 Speaker 1: someone whose voice I have listened to many many times, 62 00:04:13,200 --> 00:04:16,400 Speaker 1: who is truly as beautiful on the outside as she 63 00:04:16,600 --> 00:04:21,760 Speaker 1: is on the inside. The incredible spiritual hitler, Debbie Brown, 64 00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:27,080 Speaker 1: Please welcome to our podcast. I'm so grateful to be 65 00:04:27,160 --> 00:04:30,280 Speaker 1: here with you. Thank you so much, Thank you so much. 66 00:04:30,400 --> 00:04:34,000 Speaker 1: I feel like already I am vibrating at a higher 67 00:04:34,200 --> 00:04:36,960 Speaker 1: level just having you grace our screen, and I'm so 68 00:04:37,000 --> 00:04:40,240 Speaker 1: excited to share you know, more about you and your 69 00:04:40,320 --> 00:04:43,159 Speaker 1: journey so that you can empower so many many, so 70 00:04:43,240 --> 00:04:47,599 Speaker 1: many of our listeners and audience to take their lives 71 00:04:47,640 --> 00:04:51,440 Speaker 1: to a higher level. M thank you so much, and 72 00:04:51,480 --> 00:04:53,919 Speaker 1: thank you for this gorgeous work that you're sharing with 73 00:04:53,960 --> 00:04:56,120 Speaker 1: the world. Like the impact that you're making is so 74 00:04:56,240 --> 00:04:59,760 Speaker 1: powerful and it's so needed. We need that financial routine, 75 00:04:59,839 --> 00:05:04,080 Speaker 1: we need that spiritual routing, that mental emotional healing, um 76 00:05:04,080 --> 00:05:06,719 Speaker 1: all holistically full circle. I was just gonna say, you know, 77 00:05:06,800 --> 00:05:10,320 Speaker 1: you were all about empowerment, inner peace and overall self love, 78 00:05:10,400 --> 00:05:13,480 Speaker 1: but the holistic aspect of looking at how we can 79 00:05:13,640 --> 00:05:16,760 Speaker 1: both you know, be a tuned to ourselves and at 80 00:05:16,800 --> 00:05:20,680 Speaker 1: the same time achieve success and wellness in our lives 81 00:05:20,680 --> 00:05:24,040 Speaker 1: so that we can truly live our fully authenticated lives. 82 00:05:24,080 --> 00:05:27,479 Speaker 1: So I'm an appreciative of this and you being here today. 83 00:05:27,880 --> 00:05:32,640 Speaker 1: So I just want to dive into Debbie, you know, 84 00:05:32,720 --> 00:05:35,400 Speaker 1: and what you just spoke to, like abundance and is 85 00:05:35,400 --> 00:05:38,840 Speaker 1: our birthright? Yes, And I think that we're just now collectively, 86 00:05:39,440 --> 00:05:42,920 Speaker 1: especially within black and brown communities, really able to embrace that. 87 00:05:43,040 --> 00:05:46,400 Speaker 1: For centuries, we've been on this path of forced resilience, 88 00:05:46,480 --> 00:05:50,800 Speaker 1: this idea that life is to be endured and not enjoyed. 89 00:05:50,920 --> 00:05:53,120 Speaker 1: And I think that we are at that big paradigm 90 00:05:53,200 --> 00:05:56,440 Speaker 1: shifting moment in human history right now where we're all 91 00:05:56,520 --> 00:05:59,240 Speaker 1: realizing that we are worthy of more. We are deserving 92 00:05:59,279 --> 00:06:02,320 Speaker 1: of more. It is our birthright to have ease, abundance 93 00:06:02,360 --> 00:06:05,440 Speaker 1: and grace flow into our lives, and we're looking to 94 00:06:05,560 --> 00:06:08,719 Speaker 1: really like share our gifts and powerful new ways and 95 00:06:08,800 --> 00:06:13,680 Speaker 1: you know, make a wage that creates generational freedom and 96 00:06:13,720 --> 00:06:17,320 Speaker 1: generational wealth. Yes, And that is so true, you know, 97 00:06:17,360 --> 00:06:19,159 Speaker 1: it's so interesting to even hear. I just did a 98 00:06:19,160 --> 00:06:21,680 Speaker 1: meditation this morning and I used that mantra all the time. 99 00:06:21,720 --> 00:06:25,040 Speaker 1: Abundance is my birthright. So I just hope that those 100 00:06:25,120 --> 00:06:28,160 Speaker 1: listening can really take that in and feel what feel 101 00:06:28,160 --> 00:06:30,440 Speaker 1: your the power of your words, and be able to 102 00:06:30,520 --> 00:06:33,080 Speaker 1: put it forth into their daily lives, because that's what 103 00:06:33,200 --> 00:06:36,320 Speaker 1: this podcast is about. Money Moves is about creating generational 104 00:06:36,360 --> 00:06:39,880 Speaker 1: wealth and abundance not only in our bank accounts, but 105 00:06:39,960 --> 00:06:44,279 Speaker 1: for our families, for our souls and spirituality. So Debbie, again, 106 00:06:45,120 --> 00:06:46,760 Speaker 1: thank you so much. But I want to take us 107 00:06:46,760 --> 00:06:49,880 Speaker 1: back to you know how you sort of got started 108 00:06:49,920 --> 00:06:52,640 Speaker 1: on your journey, UM. You know, you you're working with 109 00:06:52,720 --> 00:06:57,760 Speaker 1: incredibly visionary grades like Deepak Chopra and you know, helping 110 00:06:58,120 --> 00:07:00,440 Speaker 1: so many different spirits all across this kind trade. Can 111 00:07:00,480 --> 00:07:04,839 Speaker 1: you tell us how you started in radio and entertainment, UM, 112 00:07:04,920 --> 00:07:07,680 Speaker 1: and then we'll sideway to where you are now. Yeah, 113 00:07:07,960 --> 00:07:10,440 Speaker 1: thank you for that. You know, I think when I 114 00:07:10,440 --> 00:07:14,320 Speaker 1: think of my story in my life, it's just for me. 115 00:07:14,360 --> 00:07:17,600 Speaker 1: It's a representative of the way that God's whispers really 116 00:07:17,600 --> 00:07:20,640 Speaker 1: guide the path. How that kind of deeper inner knowing 117 00:07:20,680 --> 00:07:24,040 Speaker 1: that we can't even fathom or really see. You know, 118 00:07:24,120 --> 00:07:27,360 Speaker 1: the vertical of the long term view of UM has 119 00:07:27,400 --> 00:07:29,800 Speaker 1: always been available to us, and there's always been whispers 120 00:07:29,840 --> 00:07:31,880 Speaker 1: that have guided us. And so you know, I'm the 121 00:07:31,920 --> 00:07:34,280 Speaker 1: only child raised by a single parent, and by nature 122 00:07:34,280 --> 00:07:36,920 Speaker 1: of that that means I'm always inside my own head, 123 00:07:37,000 --> 00:07:40,520 Speaker 1: inside my own heart, investigating UM. And so I kind 124 00:07:40,560 --> 00:07:43,679 Speaker 1: of hit the perfect path because I've always been a seeker. 125 00:07:43,840 --> 00:07:48,160 Speaker 1: I've always been deeply curious about the world and deeply 126 00:07:48,200 --> 00:07:50,960 Speaker 1: curious about myself. So when I birth, when I started 127 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:54,320 Speaker 1: my professional working life, I started in broadcasting. And so 128 00:07:54,320 --> 00:07:56,760 Speaker 1: when I went to college, I thought, I either want 129 00:07:56,760 --> 00:07:58,560 Speaker 1: to be two things. I want to be a psychologist 130 00:07:58,640 --> 00:08:01,520 Speaker 1: or I want to be a news anchor. Kind of 131 00:08:01,520 --> 00:08:03,520 Speaker 1: two opposite ends of the spectrum. But I kind of 132 00:08:03,520 --> 00:08:09,160 Speaker 1: feel like I've done both. That actually makes perfect sense somehow, right, 133 00:08:09,280 --> 00:08:11,160 Speaker 1: I was, like, so, actually I knew what I was 134 00:08:11,200 --> 00:08:14,080 Speaker 1: doing a rating UM. But I started my path in 135 00:08:14,200 --> 00:08:17,960 Speaker 1: broadcasting and really an underground hip hop in l A specifically, 136 00:08:18,000 --> 00:08:20,480 Speaker 1: it was an era of time where we were the 137 00:08:20,560 --> 00:08:23,520 Speaker 1: underdogs and wrap in the music. And I was on 138 00:08:23,560 --> 00:08:25,560 Speaker 1: the radio at that time and working with like a 139 00:08:25,600 --> 00:08:28,760 Speaker 1: lot of the young emerging wrap talent of Los Angeles 140 00:08:28,840 --> 00:08:31,480 Speaker 1: that has since gone on to take a huge space 141 00:08:31,480 --> 00:08:34,520 Speaker 1: in the world. And you know, when I was in radio, 142 00:08:34,640 --> 00:08:37,680 Speaker 1: what I fell in love with about radio was the 143 00:08:37,720 --> 00:08:41,920 Speaker 1: ability to connect. I think overwhelmingly. Aside from like the 144 00:08:41,960 --> 00:08:46,840 Speaker 1: celebrity or music industry perks or you know, interview opportunities 145 00:08:46,840 --> 00:08:48,760 Speaker 1: that came with it, it was the day to day 146 00:08:48,920 --> 00:08:52,600 Speaker 1: talking to my listeners, hearing from people from all over, 147 00:08:53,400 --> 00:08:56,240 Speaker 1: the demographic of Los Angeles and what mattered to them, 148 00:08:56,280 --> 00:08:59,079 Speaker 1: what interested them, what made them feel seen and heard, 149 00:08:59,720 --> 00:09:02,120 Speaker 1: and so through that I was I was working in radio, 150 00:09:02,120 --> 00:09:04,080 Speaker 1: but then I was also working in the community and 151 00:09:04,080 --> 00:09:07,000 Speaker 1: taking on different projects, and I was the Community Action 152 00:09:07,080 --> 00:09:11,080 Speaker 1: Director and so many different things, um. And you know, 153 00:09:11,120 --> 00:09:14,200 Speaker 1: while I was in that, it really unlocked in me 154 00:09:14,320 --> 00:09:19,720 Speaker 1: this desire to create a space to be a soft 155 00:09:19,760 --> 00:09:23,120 Speaker 1: place to land for, you know, to to allow them 156 00:09:23,120 --> 00:09:27,800 Speaker 1: to feel seen, to feel heard, to to feel experienced, 157 00:09:28,040 --> 00:09:31,160 Speaker 1: you know. And that was the thing that really guided 158 00:09:31,200 --> 00:09:33,640 Speaker 1: me through close to a fifteen year career of working 159 00:09:33,679 --> 00:09:35,760 Speaker 1: in entertainment. I also had a chance to work in 160 00:09:35,800 --> 00:09:39,319 Speaker 1: TV and do a bunch of fun, amazing things, um 161 00:09:39,400 --> 00:09:42,360 Speaker 1: But at a certain point I needed more, you know, 162 00:09:42,400 --> 00:09:45,640 Speaker 1: at a certain point. The way that especially that culture 163 00:09:45,679 --> 00:09:48,040 Speaker 1: of entertainment was set up when I was working in it, 164 00:09:48,280 --> 00:09:51,080 Speaker 1: it was all about judgment. Everything was rooted in coming 165 00:09:51,160 --> 00:09:53,559 Speaker 1: up with this really fast opinion even if he didn't 166 00:09:53,600 --> 00:09:55,880 Speaker 1: know what you were given an opinion on, you had 167 00:09:55,920 --> 00:09:57,880 Speaker 1: to come up with something, and you had to be 168 00:09:57,920 --> 00:10:01,720 Speaker 1: in judgment. You were constantly telling like the intricate workings 169 00:10:01,760 --> 00:10:05,280 Speaker 1: of someone else's life from an outside perspective, and I 170 00:10:05,280 --> 00:10:06,960 Speaker 1: got to a point where I couldn't stomach it. It 171 00:10:07,040 --> 00:10:09,960 Speaker 1: just wasn't an alignment with how I wanted to think, 172 00:10:10,000 --> 00:10:11,840 Speaker 1: how I wanted to feel, or how I wanted to 173 00:10:11,840 --> 00:10:15,120 Speaker 1: share myself in the constraints that I had, and so 174 00:10:16,120 --> 00:10:18,160 Speaker 1: mix in with that, I was like one of the 175 00:10:18,280 --> 00:10:21,520 Speaker 1: youngest executives at the time. Um, I was a music director. 176 00:10:21,559 --> 00:10:23,360 Speaker 1: I was really young. I was like the only woman 177 00:10:23,400 --> 00:10:26,560 Speaker 1: doing that, and by nature of that, I got burned out, 178 00:10:26,880 --> 00:10:29,480 Speaker 1: and by nature of like some of the excess that 179 00:10:29,600 --> 00:10:32,080 Speaker 1: was around, I got burnt out at a really young thing. 180 00:10:32,240 --> 00:10:35,400 Speaker 1: And did you recognize it as burnout? Like because now 181 00:10:35,559 --> 00:10:38,440 Speaker 1: you know you're on this very spiritual and holistic path, right, 182 00:10:38,720 --> 00:10:43,240 Speaker 1: did you recognize it then as burnout? And were you 183 00:10:43,520 --> 00:10:46,200 Speaker 1: as at tuned as you are now or was as 184 00:10:46,240 --> 00:10:49,040 Speaker 1: this sort of in the evolution of your journey? So 185 00:10:49,080 --> 00:10:52,760 Speaker 1: I'm definitely evolved. Um, but I think in many ways, yeah, 186 00:10:52,840 --> 00:10:54,880 Speaker 1: this has always been my path. I didn't always have 187 00:10:54,920 --> 00:10:57,400 Speaker 1: the language for it. I didn't always know how to 188 00:10:57,520 --> 00:11:00,440 Speaker 1: share it. But it has always been my path. Um. 189 00:11:00,480 --> 00:11:03,000 Speaker 1: I was a kid who I was in middle school 190 00:11:03,080 --> 00:11:05,040 Speaker 1: with the self help book, you know, like I, I've 191 00:11:05,080 --> 00:11:09,760 Speaker 1: always been fascinated by transformation, fascinated by the human spirit 192 00:11:09,880 --> 00:11:13,880 Speaker 1: and human emotion, and so I did always resonate with this, 193 00:11:13,920 --> 00:11:17,959 Speaker 1: and I was always in some degree studying ways to grow, 194 00:11:18,040 --> 00:11:21,920 Speaker 1: to enhance myself, to become more of me um. But 195 00:11:22,040 --> 00:11:23,880 Speaker 1: you know, when I when I was having the burned out, 196 00:11:23,920 --> 00:11:26,280 Speaker 1: I didn't quite know that it was like my existential 197 00:11:26,320 --> 00:11:29,160 Speaker 1: crisis time. I didn't know that it was like me 198 00:11:29,280 --> 00:11:31,920 Speaker 1: figuring out a whole new way of living. But I 199 00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:35,199 Speaker 1: knew that I couldn't continue as I was. I didn't 200 00:11:35,200 --> 00:11:38,040 Speaker 1: have all the wise of why I couldn't. I definitely 201 00:11:38,040 --> 00:11:40,320 Speaker 1: didn't have the next step in mind. But I knew 202 00:11:40,400 --> 00:11:43,559 Speaker 1: something had to shift, and that I was being called 203 00:11:43,600 --> 00:11:47,320 Speaker 1: to powerfully shift, and that if I didn't, that whisper 204 00:11:47,440 --> 00:11:49,880 Speaker 1: from God would have turned into like catching a fade 205 00:11:49,960 --> 00:11:51,880 Speaker 1: from God, and I was not available for that. I 206 00:11:51,920 --> 00:11:53,719 Speaker 1: did not want to argue with God. I didn't want 207 00:11:53,720 --> 00:11:56,880 Speaker 1: to fight. I wanted to surrender and so that led 208 00:11:56,920 --> 00:11:59,640 Speaker 1: me to my very first meditation retreat almost ten years 209 00:11:59,679 --> 00:12:03,320 Speaker 1: ago with deepak Um at one of his locations, and 210 00:12:03,360 --> 00:12:06,200 Speaker 1: that's where I learned to meditate. And everything about my 211 00:12:06,280 --> 00:12:09,480 Speaker 1: life changed after I learned to meditate, and I knew 212 00:12:09,520 --> 00:12:12,040 Speaker 1: that I was called to help people heal and to 213 00:12:12,080 --> 00:12:15,600 Speaker 1: help people to understand themselves more deeply. So eventually that 214 00:12:15,720 --> 00:12:17,880 Speaker 1: led me to become certified in this work. I have 215 00:12:17,960 --> 00:12:20,920 Speaker 1: multiple certifications and so many different areas of healing and 216 00:12:21,040 --> 00:12:23,880 Speaker 1: deep in my own practice. I started my own business 217 00:12:24,080 --> 00:12:27,360 Speaker 1: and now my full circle. I am back with Deepac 218 00:12:27,480 --> 00:12:31,480 Speaker 1: at Choper Global. Um in deep gratitude of being able 219 00:12:31,520 --> 00:12:35,400 Speaker 1: to share this powerful work with the world. Absolutely um. 220 00:12:35,440 --> 00:12:37,240 Speaker 1: I will say, you know, we've all just come out 221 00:12:37,280 --> 00:12:40,040 Speaker 1: of this world in global pandemic, where we've all been 222 00:12:40,080 --> 00:12:43,439 Speaker 1: shut down, locked in, facing so much uncertainty. And this 223 00:12:43,559 --> 00:12:47,440 Speaker 1: was actually the first time I learned to meditate. I 224 00:12:47,440 --> 00:12:51,319 Speaker 1: hadn't really meditated before the pandemic, and I was exposed 225 00:12:51,360 --> 00:12:54,960 Speaker 1: to it through just different apps, and I am so 226 00:12:55,400 --> 00:12:58,720 Speaker 1: grateful for it. I have probably put in thousands of 227 00:12:58,800 --> 00:13:02,440 Speaker 1: hours now, um, and it's become such an integral part 228 00:13:02,440 --> 00:13:04,400 Speaker 1: of my life and I'm just so grateful for it, 229 00:13:04,440 --> 00:13:07,000 Speaker 1: And I'm also so grateful for what you are doing 230 00:13:07,000 --> 00:13:10,520 Speaker 1: with DEEPOC, exposing especially black and brown communities to being 231 00:13:10,559 --> 00:13:12,840 Speaker 1: able to have this tool that I think is truly 232 00:13:12,880 --> 00:13:16,640 Speaker 1: life changing. And you know, as our in our community 233 00:13:16,679 --> 00:13:19,040 Speaker 1: in particular, we carry a lot of this with us, 234 00:13:19,520 --> 00:13:21,560 Speaker 1: and just to be able to have the tools and 235 00:13:21,640 --> 00:13:26,520 Speaker 1: expose so many more hearts to this is just like 236 00:13:26,880 --> 00:13:30,200 Speaker 1: really truly prolific work. Oh my god, thank you for 237 00:13:30,240 --> 00:13:32,720 Speaker 1: saying that, And I'm so happy that you're meditating. It 238 00:13:32,840 --> 00:13:37,040 Speaker 1: is the greatest gift. It is the biggest misconception is 239 00:13:37,080 --> 00:13:40,440 Speaker 1: that it's hard or it's expensive. Can you tell us 240 00:13:40,480 --> 00:13:43,320 Speaker 1: a little bit more about your work as topra's Chief 241 00:13:43,360 --> 00:13:46,880 Speaker 1: Impact Officer, And you know, I I love that this 242 00:13:46,960 --> 00:13:50,720 Speaker 1: is a full circle moment for you. Yeah, you know, 243 00:13:50,760 --> 00:13:53,440 Speaker 1: it's so beautiful. And I think that that in deepox 244 00:13:53,520 --> 00:13:58,000 Speaker 1: works so incredibly and powerfully speaks to divine flow, to 245 00:13:58,240 --> 00:14:02,240 Speaker 1: receptive energy, to the synchronicities in our lives and the 246 00:14:02,280 --> 00:14:04,720 Speaker 1: greater stories being told. So when I look back at 247 00:14:04,760 --> 00:14:07,400 Speaker 1: my path of purpose, I'm just like, you know, it 248 00:14:07,440 --> 00:14:09,560 Speaker 1: may not make sense from now outside looking in, but 249 00:14:09,640 --> 00:14:12,520 Speaker 1: it actually makes perfect divine sense for me, I'm like, oh, 250 00:14:12,559 --> 00:14:16,840 Speaker 1: that's where that dot connected, That's where that twist happened. Um. 251 00:14:16,880 --> 00:14:19,520 Speaker 1: But my work with Choper Global is so so important 252 00:14:19,520 --> 00:14:22,480 Speaker 1: to me, and what it's really rooted in is giving 253 00:14:22,520 --> 00:14:27,360 Speaker 1: access to all to this healing work UM, specifically communities 254 00:14:27,400 --> 00:14:32,640 Speaker 1: of color. So often I think that sometimes by way 255 00:14:32,640 --> 00:14:36,240 Speaker 1: of programming, sometimes just by lack of knowing m lack 256 00:14:36,280 --> 00:14:40,160 Speaker 1: of organic kind of seed planting of this work. These 257 00:14:40,240 --> 00:14:44,480 Speaker 1: rooms are often very very white and very specific demographics. 258 00:14:44,520 --> 00:14:46,480 Speaker 1: And you know, when I first came into this space 259 00:14:46,520 --> 00:14:49,000 Speaker 1: as someone that was looking to heal, It's like, why 260 00:14:49,040 --> 00:14:50,880 Speaker 1: am I the only person that looks like me in 261 00:14:50,920 --> 00:14:53,480 Speaker 1: these rooms that can't just speak because of price point? 262 00:14:53,560 --> 00:14:56,240 Speaker 1: You know, what are the other barriers to healing that 263 00:14:56,360 --> 00:14:58,720 Speaker 1: we have up that need to be disarmed? And I'm 264 00:14:58,720 --> 00:15:03,560 Speaker 1: a believer that communities of color deeply need and deserve 265 00:15:03,760 --> 00:15:06,720 Speaker 1: this work at every level. Like we're not just working 266 00:15:06,720 --> 00:15:09,320 Speaker 1: through the curriculum of spirit that we came to this 267 00:15:09,440 --> 00:15:14,080 Speaker 1: earth with. We're also working through major ancestral healing, major 268 00:15:14,160 --> 00:15:19,320 Speaker 1: intergenerational trauma, you know, and very often we don't naturally 269 00:15:19,320 --> 00:15:22,400 Speaker 1: find this work because either our families of origin or 270 00:15:22,560 --> 00:15:25,600 Speaker 1: systems of belief keep us looking at healing in one 271 00:15:25,680 --> 00:15:28,240 Speaker 1: specific way, or keep us looking at God in one 272 00:15:28,360 --> 00:15:32,840 Speaker 1: very specific way. Um. And also because sometimes we just 273 00:15:32,880 --> 00:15:35,480 Speaker 1: don't always know that this is happening and available for us, 274 00:15:35,600 --> 00:15:38,480 Speaker 1: especially if you don't live where I live in Los Angeles. 275 00:15:38,600 --> 00:15:40,760 Speaker 1: I don't live in New York or those coastal cities 276 00:15:40,760 --> 00:15:45,000 Speaker 1: that have more access, you know. And so meditation, you know, 277 00:15:45,040 --> 00:15:48,920 Speaker 1: I think is so it seems so mysterious to people. 278 00:15:49,840 --> 00:15:54,880 Speaker 1: But it's sitting still and being quiet, that's it, which 279 00:15:54,880 --> 00:15:57,680 Speaker 1: is exactly and that is that is sort of the 280 00:15:57,720 --> 00:16:00,920 Speaker 1: beauty of it. Um. That I that I've learned to 281 00:16:01,080 --> 00:16:04,200 Speaker 1: love about it because society makes us be like go, 282 00:16:04,200 --> 00:16:05,840 Speaker 1: go go. And you know, I think something you said 283 00:16:05,880 --> 00:16:08,760 Speaker 1: was super interesting because on money moves, we want to 284 00:16:08,840 --> 00:16:11,520 Speaker 1: dispel a lot of the misconceptions that may may or 285 00:16:11,560 --> 00:16:15,040 Speaker 1: may not have been handed down to us through previous generations, etcetera. 286 00:16:15,080 --> 00:16:16,760 Speaker 1: And I think that this is exactly one of them. 287 00:16:16,760 --> 00:16:20,080 Speaker 1: Being able to be open and vulnerable about where you 288 00:16:20,120 --> 00:16:23,360 Speaker 1: are with yourself, with your traumas. I mean, you even 289 00:16:23,400 --> 00:16:26,200 Speaker 1: spoke to you know, as people of color, like the 290 00:16:26,240 --> 00:16:31,000 Speaker 1: genetic imprinting that we perhaps don't even know has been 291 00:16:31,000 --> 00:16:33,600 Speaker 1: passed on. So being able to break those myths and 292 00:16:33,640 --> 00:16:36,560 Speaker 1: talk about it openly, I think is also the key 293 00:16:36,600 --> 00:16:44,280 Speaker 1: to just not only creating generational wealth, but generational freedom. Absolutely, 294 00:16:44,480 --> 00:16:49,800 Speaker 1: And you know, I think so often what's also kept 295 00:16:50,080 --> 00:16:53,440 Speaker 1: so many from the work it's just not even believing 296 00:16:53,440 --> 00:16:55,880 Speaker 1: that you deserve it and not knowing why you don't 297 00:16:55,880 --> 00:16:58,000 Speaker 1: think you deserve it, you know, And so then you 298 00:16:58,120 --> 00:17:00,960 Speaker 1: just are wrestling with this inner chaos, in this inner shame. 299 00:17:01,120 --> 00:17:04,440 Speaker 1: And the deeper truth is that we've arrived at really 300 00:17:04,480 --> 00:17:07,080 Speaker 1: the first moment in human history where there is ease 301 00:17:07,160 --> 00:17:10,280 Speaker 1: to access this work, where we can look at all 302 00:17:10,320 --> 00:17:13,760 Speaker 1: of the structures at place, all of the compounded complex 303 00:17:13,800 --> 00:17:17,240 Speaker 1: stress and post traumatic stress that has been placed on us, 304 00:17:17,280 --> 00:17:19,600 Speaker 1: and we can know that, hey, we didn't get this 305 00:17:19,680 --> 00:17:23,160 Speaker 1: work sooner. My parents, my grandparents, my great grandparents, didn't 306 00:17:23,160 --> 00:17:27,080 Speaker 1: get this work sooner because of structural oppression, because of 307 00:17:27,119 --> 00:17:29,840 Speaker 1: systemic racism, because of all the things that have kept 308 00:17:29,840 --> 00:17:33,600 Speaker 1: everyone bound throughout human history. You know. But now that 309 00:17:33,640 --> 00:17:36,320 Speaker 1: we've arrived at this point where we can speak our truth, 310 00:17:36,320 --> 00:17:39,120 Speaker 1: where we can move away from this path of forced resilience, 311 00:17:39,440 --> 00:17:42,800 Speaker 1: where we can focus on self and allow ourselves to feel, 312 00:17:42,840 --> 00:17:47,239 Speaker 1: and it's safe to feel. It's a perfect opportunity to 313 00:17:47,359 --> 00:17:50,840 Speaker 1: really dive into and savor this work of self. It 314 00:17:51,040 --> 00:17:53,639 Speaker 1: is and I love that. And I think you know 315 00:17:53,800 --> 00:17:56,199 Speaker 1: something else you said, it's just sometimes we believe we 316 00:17:56,240 --> 00:17:59,000 Speaker 1: don't deserve it. And I think the same comes from 317 00:17:59,080 --> 00:18:02,480 Speaker 1: like our dream you know, we're we're like folks are 318 00:18:02,520 --> 00:18:04,359 Speaker 1: scared to dream, Like, well, I can have what this 319 00:18:04,400 --> 00:18:06,199 Speaker 1: person has, I can have with this person. And it's 320 00:18:06,400 --> 00:18:10,199 Speaker 1: it's about cultivating that mindset and that intention and just 321 00:18:10,280 --> 00:18:13,720 Speaker 1: believing that your dreams are your reality. And I think 322 00:18:13,760 --> 00:18:17,199 Speaker 1: the meditation is the perfect way, um to achieve some 323 00:18:17,320 --> 00:18:23,440 Speaker 1: of that. Yeah, likewise, it's meditation is delicious, Like that's 324 00:18:23,480 --> 00:18:26,520 Speaker 1: how I view it. I love that it's really challenging 325 00:18:26,680 --> 00:18:29,080 Speaker 1: at first, but it's only because we're not used to 326 00:18:29,119 --> 00:18:32,080 Speaker 1: being with ourselves. So as soon as we can disarm 327 00:18:32,160 --> 00:18:34,880 Speaker 1: that and just say, this feels uncomfortable because it's new, 328 00:18:35,040 --> 00:18:37,159 Speaker 1: not because it's wrong, not because I can't do it. 329 00:18:37,200 --> 00:18:40,680 Speaker 1: There is no perfect it's just new, um. And then 330 00:18:40,680 --> 00:18:42,960 Speaker 1: the to me, the greatest gift of meditation is it 331 00:18:43,119 --> 00:18:46,200 Speaker 1: really teaches you the deepest truth of who you are. 332 00:18:46,920 --> 00:18:51,879 Speaker 1: It cultivates in need this natural gratitude. It creates space inside, 333 00:18:51,960 --> 00:18:55,040 Speaker 1: more space for you. You kind of unpack and pull 334 00:18:55,080 --> 00:18:57,439 Speaker 1: out so much of your story that doesn't serve you 335 00:18:57,960 --> 00:19:00,359 Speaker 1: so many ways that maybe pain has been cume your 336 00:19:00,400 --> 00:19:02,920 Speaker 1: identity and you're able to kind of get to the 337 00:19:02,960 --> 00:19:05,840 Speaker 1: best parts of who you are. This is so beautiful. 338 00:19:05,840 --> 00:19:08,359 Speaker 1: And what's so beautiful is like you have now taken 339 00:19:08,400 --> 00:19:12,120 Speaker 1: something that you deeply passionately love and been able to 340 00:19:12,160 --> 00:19:15,600 Speaker 1: create a business around it, support yourself and like everything 341 00:19:15,680 --> 00:19:18,520 Speaker 1: feels so perfectly aligned. Can you talk about like the 342 00:19:18,560 --> 00:19:22,040 Speaker 1: business aspect of what you're doing and how you're able to, 343 00:19:22,280 --> 00:19:25,119 Speaker 1: you know, take something that you're super passionate about but 344 00:19:25,200 --> 00:19:27,360 Speaker 1: also make a living because I think that's so important 345 00:19:27,359 --> 00:19:29,800 Speaker 1: for people to realize that you can make your passions 346 00:19:29,840 --> 00:19:33,840 Speaker 1: into your livelihood. You can absolutely make all of your 347 00:19:33,840 --> 00:19:36,360 Speaker 1: passions into your livelihood, but you also have to move 348 00:19:36,400 --> 00:19:39,000 Speaker 1: it past passion and you have to educate yourself. That's 349 00:19:39,040 --> 00:19:41,080 Speaker 1: something I want to make really clear, because in this 350 00:19:41,200 --> 00:19:44,640 Speaker 1: space of wellness, it's not just about positivity. It's not 351 00:19:44,760 --> 00:19:48,560 Speaker 1: just oh I believe it being positive and let's sit 352 00:19:48,600 --> 00:19:50,879 Speaker 1: down and be still and now pay me your money 353 00:19:50,880 --> 00:19:54,960 Speaker 1: to tell me that you know. Thank you for saying that. Yeah, 354 00:19:55,200 --> 00:19:57,840 Speaker 1: I think it's important, you know, because in this day 355 00:19:57,840 --> 00:20:01,159 Speaker 1: and age, for so many it is is about fast money, 356 00:20:01,520 --> 00:20:04,160 Speaker 1: and it is about Okay, I'm trying to hit this lick. 357 00:20:04,240 --> 00:20:07,000 Speaker 1: I'm trying to get this bag because right now wellness 358 00:20:07,040 --> 00:20:09,680 Speaker 1: is on trend or X, Y and Z is on trend, 359 00:20:10,200 --> 00:20:13,159 Speaker 1: and so let me step into this space. Um and 360 00:20:13,200 --> 00:20:16,880 Speaker 1: for me, it's about my own healing. It's about deeper legacy. 361 00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:19,040 Speaker 1: It is how will this show up in the world. 362 00:20:19,200 --> 00:20:21,840 Speaker 1: And so I think if you are passionate about something 363 00:20:21,880 --> 00:20:24,359 Speaker 1: and you want to turn it into a business, have 364 00:20:24,720 --> 00:20:27,439 Speaker 1: reverence for the calling on your life, have revents for 365 00:20:27,560 --> 00:20:32,120 Speaker 1: your gifts, and invest in yourself real tools that will 366 00:20:32,160 --> 00:20:35,320 Speaker 1: make whatever you dive into more than like getting the 367 00:20:35,359 --> 00:20:38,400 Speaker 1: bag or hitting the lick, and turn it into lifelong 368 00:20:38,520 --> 00:20:41,399 Speaker 1: legacy that you can then use as a springboard into 369 00:20:41,400 --> 00:20:45,560 Speaker 1: new passions and new areas. You know, I'm a positive person, yes, 370 00:20:45,640 --> 00:20:48,560 Speaker 1: but I'm not selling positivity. I believe in deep, deep 371 00:20:48,640 --> 00:20:51,840 Speaker 1: shadow work. I have been you know, I have probably 372 00:20:52,040 --> 00:20:55,600 Speaker 1: spent the equivalent of an Ivy League education on my 373 00:20:55,640 --> 00:20:58,840 Speaker 1: own education over the last ten years, on my training 374 00:20:58,840 --> 00:21:01,520 Speaker 1: and trauma, my training and somatic heally, my training and 375 00:21:01,600 --> 00:21:05,320 Speaker 1: energy work, my training in psychology, and so I recognized 376 00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:08,200 Speaker 1: that this was my calling. It was something that I 377 00:21:08,240 --> 00:21:11,720 Speaker 1: was intuitively and naturally good at, and I had cultivated 378 00:21:12,520 --> 00:21:16,800 Speaker 1: a really vast gift of communication to share it through 379 00:21:16,840 --> 00:21:19,960 Speaker 1: my previous career. But it's through all the deeper work 380 00:21:20,480 --> 00:21:23,480 Speaker 1: and through all of the investment of myself and actually 381 00:21:23,560 --> 00:21:26,639 Speaker 1: creating like the systems and creating the way for this 382 00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:29,879 Speaker 1: to be my life's work, you know. So I do 383 00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:33,440 Speaker 1: believe follow your passion because your purposes in your passion, 384 00:21:33,840 --> 00:21:36,679 Speaker 1: but go deeper than just using it to make money 385 00:21:37,119 --> 00:21:40,560 Speaker 1: and see how it can actually be reflective of the 386 00:21:40,680 --> 00:21:51,720 Speaker 1: larger story of your life. Being told, Drop, I was 387 00:21:51,760 --> 00:21:55,720 Speaker 1: super excited and incredibly inspired by your partnership with Alicia Keys, 388 00:21:56,080 --> 00:22:00,600 Speaker 1: with Choprah and the twenty one day um Meditation retreat. 389 00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:04,879 Speaker 1: If if if I'm saying that serious, how that came about, 390 00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:07,240 Speaker 1: and I'm sure you're rolling it as bringing in other 391 00:22:07,280 --> 00:22:11,520 Speaker 1: women of color um onto his platform as well. Oh 392 00:22:11,760 --> 00:22:14,360 Speaker 1: so beautiful And as much as I wish I could 393 00:22:14,359 --> 00:22:17,760 Speaker 1: take credit for that, Deepak and Alicia actually beautifully old 394 00:22:17,800 --> 00:22:20,520 Speaker 1: friends that and she has been so steeped in this 395 00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:23,560 Speaker 1: work for so long. UM, but it was it was 396 00:22:23,640 --> 00:22:25,520 Speaker 1: really wonderful. I felt like it was like such a 397 00:22:25,600 --> 00:22:29,200 Speaker 1: merger of my justest of having interviewed her and entertainment 398 00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:31,480 Speaker 1: and really loved the music for so long, and then 399 00:22:31,520 --> 00:22:34,359 Speaker 1: now with this beautiful programming. So the program that we 400 00:22:34,359 --> 00:22:37,680 Speaker 1: did with Deepak and Alicia was called the Divine Feminine 401 00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:41,000 Speaker 1: Pathway to Wholeness, and so you know, what we really 402 00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:45,840 Speaker 1: linked into was the power of sacred femininity, the power 403 00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:49,639 Speaker 1: of the kind of tender warrior um, the strength, the 404 00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:51,760 Speaker 1: power and the grace of women. And there was a 405 00:22:51,800 --> 00:22:54,719 Speaker 1: gorgeous twenty one day meditation series that they each voiced 406 00:22:55,359 --> 00:22:58,560 Speaker 1: UM in service to their individual lenses of how to 407 00:22:58,640 --> 00:23:02,560 Speaker 1: kind of cultivate that archetypal energy within ourselves. And it 408 00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:05,760 Speaker 1: was millions of people around the world joined us for it, 409 00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:08,359 Speaker 1: and it was so powerful and people can still do 410 00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:10,359 Speaker 1: it too. It's on our app so if you download 411 00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:13,639 Speaker 1: the choper appids right and there. Um. Yeah, it was 412 00:23:13,680 --> 00:23:16,040 Speaker 1: so powerful and I loved working on that with both 413 00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:19,600 Speaker 1: of them, and Alicia is so deeply authentic and so 414 00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:24,040 Speaker 1: deeply committed to bringing this work into a greater audience. UM. 415 00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:27,240 Speaker 1: Into sharing her gifts. I love it. I'm I'm serious. 416 00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:31,320 Speaker 1: It's so funny because your voice is so malipulous and 417 00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:33,040 Speaker 1: nice to listen to. So I'm listening to you and 418 00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:38,240 Speaker 1: I'm going, yeah, so I gotta like, I gotta wake 419 00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:40,119 Speaker 1: up here. No, I'm just joking, but it is. It 420 00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:43,359 Speaker 1: is so lovely to listen to. So, Okay, now you've 421 00:23:43,800 --> 00:23:48,320 Speaker 1: left radio, you're back doing this spiritual work. Um, can 422 00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:51,000 Speaker 1: we talk about your podcast now that you have Dropping Gems, 423 00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:54,120 Speaker 1: because I mean, this is just more of you doing 424 00:23:54,119 --> 00:23:56,640 Speaker 1: the work and what made you decide to sort of 425 00:23:56,720 --> 00:24:00,640 Speaker 1: be a creator in that space? Yeah, so my podcast 426 00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:03,040 Speaker 1: Dropping Gim's. I mean, you know, I did work in 427 00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:06,440 Speaker 1: radio for over a decade, and so my natural kind 428 00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:09,480 Speaker 1: of where I find my ease is in communicating. And 429 00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:13,200 Speaker 1: I was having such beautifully expansive conversations with so many 430 00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:15,960 Speaker 1: friends in both the hip hop community but also within 431 00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:18,280 Speaker 1: the spiritual communities. And I'm like, I need a press 432 00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:20,720 Speaker 1: record of news and share them. Um, And so I 433 00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:24,119 Speaker 1: pulled the trigger on it about I started my podcast 434 00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:26,760 Speaker 1: I Want to Stay two years ago. We're now gratefully 435 00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:29,439 Speaker 1: with my Heart Media and the Black Effect Network from 436 00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:32,760 Speaker 1: Charlemagne the God, and the show is really centered on 437 00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:36,280 Speaker 1: making higher consciousness tangible, and I use a lot of 438 00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:38,719 Speaker 1: my life as the case study for that. I really 439 00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:43,000 Speaker 1: study myself and study my process. I'm really always in 440 00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:46,639 Speaker 1: study of deeper spiritual work, and I kind of I 441 00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:49,320 Speaker 1: apply it and then I share how I experienced it, 442 00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:51,760 Speaker 1: and I invite other people in for the conversation. And 443 00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:54,320 Speaker 1: so we've had some really powerful guests. We've had some 444 00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:58,560 Speaker 1: really interesting stories, UM, and I love to demystify things 445 00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:00,960 Speaker 1: that you know, maybe everyone as an open to, but 446 00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:03,359 Speaker 1: it has been a part of my life, like you know, 447 00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:05,600 Speaker 1: having your birth chart done and using that as a 448 00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:10,120 Speaker 1: useful spiritual tool. I recently just did my human design chart. Actually, yeah, 449 00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:13,879 Speaker 1: I had an incredible, incredible solicitor human design on my 450 00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:21,040 Speaker 1: show recently. Um. We we've had different spiritual teachers, acupuncturists, UM, 451 00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:25,040 Speaker 1: sexual healers, people that work with blue healing. Just really 452 00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:27,480 Speaker 1: really expansive all the ways in which you can heal. 453 00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:30,760 Speaker 1: I I feature on my show, so you know, even 454 00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:33,240 Speaker 1: talking to you make it all seem so easy and 455 00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:36,240 Speaker 1: like you've just sort of come to this place. UM 456 00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:40,240 Speaker 1: along this like downhill, you know, water pathway can you 457 00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:44,120 Speaker 1: talk about some of the like key obstacles that you've 458 00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:46,040 Speaker 1: faced in the past couple of years to get to 459 00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:48,440 Speaker 1: where you are now. I don't want people to even 460 00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:52,440 Speaker 1: think that it's always beds of roses um. Well, so 461 00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:55,000 Speaker 1: you know, here's the thing, it's always it is always 462 00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:59,159 Speaker 1: actually easy, because it's always about switching the lens of perception. 463 00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:02,520 Speaker 1: Like easy does not mean puppies and rainbows, you know, 464 00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:05,360 Speaker 1: easy does not mean I'm positive all the time, right, 465 00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:09,960 Speaker 1: Deep spiritual work, healing work is about also greeting your shadows. 466 00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:12,280 Speaker 1: So it's not easy in the sense that I just 467 00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:15,480 Speaker 1: you know, I'm just like, oh, love and light. So 468 00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:19,520 Speaker 1: it's like I'm also sometimes in in tears for hours, 469 00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:23,400 Speaker 1: and I'm greeting past versions of myself. I'm moving myself 470 00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:27,919 Speaker 1: through grief in meditation, I'm allowing myself to feel. Spiritual 471 00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:32,920 Speaker 1: growth is rooted and allowing yourself to feel and transcending 472 00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:36,920 Speaker 1: those feelings and dissolving any barriers that we have up 473 00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:41,360 Speaker 1: against receiving our own love. And so it's a it's 474 00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:44,560 Speaker 1: a work of the crevices. It's about getting into the darker, 475 00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:47,800 Speaker 1: deeper parts. That's the work of spirit. But it doesn't 476 00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:50,280 Speaker 1: have to be cloaked in fear, and it doesn't have 477 00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:53,320 Speaker 1: to be cloaked in difficulty. It is something where I 478 00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:57,000 Speaker 1: can wake up and say, Wow, I'm feeling really heavy today, 479 00:26:57,040 --> 00:26:59,720 Speaker 1: I'm feeling kind of down today. Okay, let me go 480 00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:02,760 Speaker 1: sit down, let me see where that is. What wants 481 00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:04,639 Speaker 1: to come out, what wants to be known to me? 482 00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:07,720 Speaker 1: What am I supposed to heal in this moment. It's 483 00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:12,240 Speaker 1: more about the work of diligence. I love that, and 484 00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:14,639 Speaker 1: I'm this is just such a word and such a 485 00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:17,320 Speaker 1: message for so many because I think just hearing it 486 00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:21,159 Speaker 1: and planting those seeds UM helps people prepare them for 487 00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:24,920 Speaker 1: like how they can best heal self. Debby, I love 488 00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:27,640 Speaker 1: that you've come to this UM and approach this, give 489 00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:30,320 Speaker 1: this work, which is a gift to so many, not 490 00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:32,719 Speaker 1: only as a way to form legacy, but also as 491 00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:35,560 Speaker 1: a business. Can you talk about how you've come to 492 00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:38,399 Speaker 1: understand your worth in this and how you price this 493 00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:43,080 Speaker 1: out for so many other wellness healers or spiritual leaders 494 00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:46,760 Speaker 1: in this industry. Yeah, thank you for this question. You know, 495 00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:49,199 Speaker 1: I think the biggest thing that I encounter when I 496 00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:51,919 Speaker 1: speak with people that are looking to specifically work in 497 00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:55,399 Speaker 1: wellness as their life's worker, as a path. Usually in 498 00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:58,040 Speaker 1: the beginning of it, there's the sphere of charging this 499 00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:01,480 Speaker 1: fear of turning it into is something that you monetize, 500 00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:04,760 Speaker 1: turning into a business. What I found is that really 501 00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:08,000 Speaker 1: the deeper layer of that is also spiritual opportunity to 502 00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:10,840 Speaker 1: do shadow work. You know, a lot of it, especially 503 00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:13,480 Speaker 1: for women in this space, is rooted in this idea 504 00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:16,200 Speaker 1: of being a martyr, this idea that has been modeled 505 00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:20,119 Speaker 1: for us and thrust upon our sutriarchy, that everything you 506 00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:22,919 Speaker 1: do that is in service to others or that is 507 00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:27,160 Speaker 1: for healing, it's just you depleting yourself. But then no, no, no, 508 00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:29,720 Speaker 1: that's right. No, don't worry about me, you know, And 509 00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:32,359 Speaker 1: I rebuke all of that, like it's about a core 510 00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:36,960 Speaker 1: tenet of spirituality is about energetic exchange. There should always 511 00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:40,320 Speaker 1: be benefit from both parties when doing business. And it's 512 00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:44,040 Speaker 1: not selfish and it's not wrong. It's a tenant of spirituality. 513 00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:47,400 Speaker 1: What is the balance, what is the receptive flow, the 514 00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:50,760 Speaker 1: giving and receiving. It has to happen in tandem. And 515 00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:52,560 Speaker 1: so I think, you know, for any any of that 516 00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:54,920 Speaker 1: are watching this and maybe connecting to this work, and 517 00:28:54,960 --> 00:29:01,400 Speaker 1: struggling with prosperity. You want to price yourself fairly in 518 00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:04,640 Speaker 1: whatever that means to you write, But you also have 519 00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:08,200 Speaker 1: to know that you deserve abundance, that you are worthy, 520 00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:10,520 Speaker 1: that the work you've cultivated and the way you serve 521 00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:14,479 Speaker 1: and help other people is absolutely worth something. And you 522 00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:17,800 Speaker 1: deserve to have a life of softness, a life of ease, 523 00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:20,480 Speaker 1: and a life of abundance as well as you help others, 524 00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:23,120 Speaker 1: you know. And so when I think of my own work, 525 00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:25,160 Speaker 1: like I do work at various price points. Like I 526 00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:27,960 Speaker 1: work in wellness at an executive level, I also work 527 00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:31,200 Speaker 1: on a talent level, and I also sometimes do more 528 00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:34,920 Speaker 1: intimate exchanges. And so you know, the way that I 529 00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:38,880 Speaker 1: occupy space. The biggest, the biggest piece that's important to 530 00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:41,800 Speaker 1: me in any work that I do is that there's 531 00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:45,680 Speaker 1: a debility inability to democratize it for all that need it. 532 00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:47,560 Speaker 1: And so I might do that in a couple of 533 00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:50,840 Speaker 1: different ways. If I know that I am, you know, 534 00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:53,760 Speaker 1: contracted to speak at an event or lead a retreat, 535 00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:57,200 Speaker 1: and that retreat may cost between five thousand and ten 536 00:29:57,240 --> 00:30:00,600 Speaker 1: thousand dollars to attend, I also try to make whatever 537 00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:04,480 Speaker 1: I know that I'm teaching their more accessible to people 538 00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:07,160 Speaker 1: wherever they are, so that they can do this work 539 00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:09,400 Speaker 1: from home, so that they can do this work for friends. 540 00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:12,560 Speaker 1: So I try to offer and create my teaching at 541 00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:15,440 Speaker 1: different levels, so an advanced case might be here, but 542 00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:18,960 Speaker 1: then I also will find a way to teach similar 543 00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:22,280 Speaker 1: themes at maybe a thirty dollar webinar or a price point. 544 00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:25,000 Speaker 1: So I want to make sure that I'm meeting everyone 545 00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:28,000 Speaker 1: where they're at, but I am also available to maximize 546 00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:32,440 Speaker 1: my energetic potential um in each moment. Absolutely, and even 547 00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:35,200 Speaker 1: I mean as simple things as your podcast, it's still 548 00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:37,560 Speaker 1: a gift. There's still learning there, there's still ways that 549 00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:39,880 Speaker 1: you can reach and reach such other people as well. 550 00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:43,560 Speaker 1: And I completely understand this in um I started my 551 00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:47,000 Speaker 1: career as a nurse, so I completely understand the idea 552 00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:49,280 Speaker 1: for especially for women in this that we're just supposed 553 00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:52,440 Speaker 1: to give endlessly and care for others, you know, at 554 00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:55,920 Speaker 1: whatever price points. So I appreciate you, you know, speaking 555 00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:57,800 Speaker 1: on that for so many because I think it's it's 556 00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:00,920 Speaker 1: a struggle for people to understand is it hey to 557 00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:04,719 Speaker 1: charge for this or add value to something that should 558 00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:07,520 Speaker 1: really you know that it is such a gift. Yeah, 559 00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:10,400 Speaker 1: and I think really research to you know, find the 560 00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:14,080 Speaker 1: industry standard of other people where there are similarities, because 561 00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:17,400 Speaker 1: I think something that is happening now, largely because of 562 00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:21,600 Speaker 1: social media, are so entrepreneurism is really beautifully on the 563 00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:25,120 Speaker 1: rise and expanding. I have noticed that some people are 564 00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:28,640 Speaker 1: just making up prices, you know, some people are just 565 00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:32,200 Speaker 1: like I do this, it's five. It's like, okay, but 566 00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:35,240 Speaker 1: how do we quantify what that costs so it's actually 567 00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:39,560 Speaker 1: sustainable because price gouging is not sustainable, you know. So 568 00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:42,440 Speaker 1: it's like, I think that we should still hold ourselves 569 00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:45,720 Speaker 1: as at a level of dignity in our offerings um 570 00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:48,120 Speaker 1: and then also find plans to make sure that the 571 00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:51,720 Speaker 1: work that we're doing is available to as many people 572 00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:56,480 Speaker 1: as possible, irregardless of their socioeconomic background. Yeah. Absolutely, And 573 00:31:56,520 --> 00:31:58,280 Speaker 1: it's funny. I think there's a lot of different platforms 574 00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:01,040 Speaker 1: out there, like clubhouse, et cetera, where everyone is basically 575 00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:04,120 Speaker 1: raising their flag as the expert, putting setting their charges 576 00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:07,360 Speaker 1: and prices at whatever level. So it's also up to 577 00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:09,800 Speaker 1: us as consumers to do the research and find someone 578 00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:13,000 Speaker 1: that you're properly connected to that like yourself, has done 579 00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:17,239 Speaker 1: the work, has the expertise has educated themselves over you know, 580 00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:20,440 Speaker 1: whatever amount of time they've been committed to being in 581 00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:23,520 Speaker 1: that industry. Devy, I feel like we haven't even approached 582 00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:25,240 Speaker 1: the tip of the iceberg with you, and I'm so 583 00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:30,640 Speaker 1: grateful for your time here today. Of course, Okay, Money Movers, 584 00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:32,800 Speaker 1: We're gonna take a quick break and be back with 585 00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:35,880 Speaker 1: more of the Money Moves Podcast powered by Greenwood. Thank 586 00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:37,960 Speaker 1: you so much for tuning in Money Moves audience. If 587 00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:41,000 Speaker 1: you want more or a recap of this episode, please 588 00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:43,280 Speaker 1: go to the bank Greenwood dot com and check out 589 00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:50,720 Speaker 1: the Money Moves Podcast blog. Money Moves is an I 590 00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:55,200 Speaker 1: Heart Radio podcast powered by Greenwoods Executive produced by Sunwise Media, Inc. 591 00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:58,160 Speaker 1: For more podcast on I Heart Radio, visit the I 592 00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:01,280 Speaker 1: Heart Radio app, Apple pod Us, or wherever you get 593 00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:08,320 Speaker 1: your podcasts from. Ah, that was a good time. Big 594 00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:10,480 Speaker 1: shout out to Tanya Sam, big shout out to the 595 00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:12,880 Speaker 1: Money Moves Podcast. Big shout out to the Big Homey 596 00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:15,360 Speaker 1: Killer Mike. It's really dope show that I hope you 597 00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:17,120 Speaker 1: guys will take some time to check out. You know, 598 00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:21,920 Speaker 1: they're really exploring the financial piece of our lives, you know, 599 00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:27,200 Speaker 1: financial literacy. Obviously, we realize how how how how how 600 00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:30,720 Speaker 1: important that is. But I'm really fascinated by the way 601 00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:33,240 Speaker 1: we each relate to money, the ways that we each 602 00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:36,800 Speaker 1: relate to success, and there's so many different pathways and 603 00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:39,440 Speaker 1: this show really explores that. So there's a bunch of 604 00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:43,160 Speaker 1: amazing people that are on this show, huge names, money names, 605 00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:46,240 Speaker 1: celebrity names, um, but all people that are making really 606 00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:52,360 Speaker 1: wise choices in their lives and expanding to all the generations, 607 00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:55,040 Speaker 1: all the lineage that will come from them. And that 608 00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:58,000 Speaker 1: is my intention to I want to access a level 609 00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:02,920 Speaker 1: of abundance in my life that will be more than legacy. 610 00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:05,960 Speaker 1: It will become myth. It will be an ethos that 611 00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:09,040 Speaker 1: will be a way of being UM for everyone in 612 00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:12,080 Speaker 1: my lineage that comes from me, and for anyone that 613 00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:15,520 Speaker 1: happens to connect with me. So that is my intention 614 00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:21,880 Speaker 1: for my life. That is my intention from my wallet abundance, abundance, abundance, 615 00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:24,880 Speaker 1: And you know, I just want to invite anyone to 616 00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:29,960 Speaker 1: spend some time exploring with yourself your relationship to money, 617 00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:34,320 Speaker 1: your relationship to abundance, and your relationship to the idea 618 00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:37,279 Speaker 1: of prosperity. And I know those three things have a 619 00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:40,920 Speaker 1: lot in common and they're often seen as interchangeable, but 620 00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:44,400 Speaker 1: they're very different things. They're very different pieces of our psyche, 621 00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:48,280 Speaker 1: very different pieces of perhaps healing that needs to take place, 622 00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:52,880 Speaker 1: um different pieces of our creativity. So, if you have time, 623 00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:57,040 Speaker 1: some soul work for this episode might be really just 624 00:34:57,360 --> 00:34:59,920 Speaker 1: taking a moment to jot down a couple of thoughts, 625 00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:02,960 Speaker 1: to close your eyes and just see where you land 626 00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:05,319 Speaker 1: and where it's felt in your body when you bring 627 00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:13,959 Speaker 1: the word money into your consciousness. So first start with money, wealth, dollars? 628 00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:18,600 Speaker 1: How do you relate to that? When did you start 629 00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:22,120 Speaker 1: relating to it in that way? How do you relate 630 00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:26,000 Speaker 1: to it now? The next piece would be inviting in 631 00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:31,080 Speaker 1: the word abundance and seeing where is their cross pollination 632 00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:35,200 Speaker 1: between abundance, that word and the word money, and where 633 00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:38,399 Speaker 1: can abundance just be experienced and felt on his own 634 00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:42,040 Speaker 1: and when it is, what does it feel like? What 635 00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:45,799 Speaker 1: does it look like? What does it sound like? What 636 00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:50,480 Speaker 1: is it to live an abundant life? And the next 637 00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:56,160 Speaker 1: word to consider would be prosperity prosperity? What is it 638 00:35:56,200 --> 00:36:01,120 Speaker 1: to prosper Do you have an aversion into prosperity? Do 639 00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:07,120 Speaker 1: you feel worthy of prosperity? Are you already living prosperity. 640 00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:10,640 Speaker 1: And again, there is never a right or wrong answer 641 00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:13,360 Speaker 1: to any of the questions we bring forward. It's really 642 00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:17,359 Speaker 1: just about observing what wants to emerge, what wants to 643 00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:20,600 Speaker 1: be known to me, what wants to be revealed, deepened. 644 00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:23,600 Speaker 1: So I hope you'll take a moment to do that. 645 00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:25,880 Speaker 1: Big love everyone, Thank you for joining me, and I 646 00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:31,120 Speaker 1: must stay Hey. Find me on social Let's connect at 647 00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:34,440 Speaker 1: Debbie Brown. That's Twitter and Instagram, or go to my 648 00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:38,160 Speaker 1: website Debbie Brown dot com. 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