Speaker 1: Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio, the George
Speaker 1: Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong, Joe Getty.
Speaker 2: Armstrong, and Jettie and no he Armstrong and yetdy. So
Speaker 2: this order will make it socially acceptable for a man
Speaker 2: in his seventies to date a twenty four year olds.
Speaker 2: That's right.
Speaker 1: We're calling it the Belichick Law.
Speaker 2: We're gonna make girlfriends young again. Okay, old men can
Speaker 2: nowdate far younger women. We like that. It's hot, but
Speaker 2: in reverse, it's quite disgusting.
Speaker 3: Right, very dateline. You know that's funny. That's from Saturday
Speaker 3: Night Live. The whole Belichick thing. He cannot be digging
Speaker 3: that it's getting more attention than his book. His book
Speaker 3: has kind of been obscured by the whole Oh wait,
Speaker 3: you're dating one of the former cheerleaders you met on
Speaker 3: a to a game.
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah.
Speaker 1: His whole persona is grumpy and proud, so being the
Speaker 1: object of ridicule is probably not great.
Speaker 2: It doesn't sit real comfortably.
Speaker 3: Or he's in love and having the time of his
Speaker 3: life and he doesn't care, which might be his attitude, right,
Speaker 3: which kind of fits in a little bit with uh this.
Speaker 2: So hold on.
Speaker 1: Hold on, I'll stand by everybody coughing fit. We have
Speaker 1: a coughing fit.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we do a couple of days away from a
Speaker 3: full month of being sick like this, which is crazy.
Speaker 3: Hold on, I think I can do it.
Speaker 1: You know, we got to be like a music radio
Speaker 1: show that runs like groovy music in the background to
Speaker 1: make it feel like there's forward momentum.
Speaker 2: That's why they did that. Yeah, it's hard to imagine
Speaker 2: listening to this radio program.
Speaker 1: Well, you know, I could jump in every time you
Speaker 1: have to cough, but I don't necessarily have anything to
Speaker 1: say because you're mid sentence.
Speaker 3: Right, and I've got something planned. So our adult life,
Speaker 3: Warren Buffett has been one of the richest people in
Speaker 3: the world. He's an investor, and he's from my part
Speaker 3: of the country, the Oracle of Omaha. I'm from Kansas,
Speaker 3: and so I just always liked his lives in a
Speaker 3: little house in a small town, very basic, sort of
Speaker 3: Midwest guy vibe. I've always liked his kind of conservative view,
Speaker 3: like personally conservative view of of you know, long term
Speaker 3: planning and not conspicuous consumption and all.
Speaker 2: That sort of vibe. He also.
Speaker 3: Has said some just freaking horrible things that have been
Speaker 3: just completely out of line that have disrupted our political conversation.
Speaker 3: His his bs my secretary pays lower taxes than I
Speaker 3: do and doesn't write that's not right is one of
Speaker 3: the most misleading and stupid conversations we've had in America.
Speaker 2: So you've got that also. But anyway, he finally stepped
Speaker 2: down over the weekend age ninety three. I think he
Speaker 2: is at the end of the year, isn't he?
Speaker 3: He announced HISSI he announced it over the weekend, and
Speaker 3: he's handing it off to some guy from Iowa that
Speaker 3: I constantly heard. The guy still lives in Des Moines,
Speaker 3: Like it's just so shocking that this guy, who's also
Speaker 3: really rich would stay there. As I was talking about
Speaker 3: last week, I personally know people who would rather kill
Speaker 3: themselves than live in New York. But everybody who lives
Speaker 3: in New York thinks the only reason we don't live
Speaker 3: in New York is because we haven't figured out how
Speaker 3: to get there.
Speaker 2: It's just I find that so frustrating.
Speaker 1: Do we spend all day longing to live in Manhattan,
Speaker 1: just dreaming of.
Speaker 2: It every day?
Speaker 3: We all the rest of us think in La is
Speaker 3: the same way and a bunch of different places, but
Speaker 3: that people are in the country every day get up
Speaker 3: and think, I guess I'll go to work, even though
Speaker 3: I don't live in New York or LA.
Speaker 2: I guess there's still some reason to get up.
Speaker 3: All right, fine, right, anyway, So warn Buff's warn Buffet's
Speaker 3: speech on the way out the door. I thought it
Speaker 3: was pretty interesting and will spark conversations. I'm sure he said,
Speaker 3: why doesn't that old rich guy just retire already? He
Speaker 3: must not have a purpose in life outside of money,
Speaker 3: like a lot of people. I used to think that way,
Speaker 3: but it's wrong. Fundamentally, there are two things humans do.
Speaker 3: We produce and we consume.
Speaker 2: That's it.
Speaker 3: Most of us, throughout our lives produce and consume, roughly
Speaker 3: in parody with each other. We make money, and over time,
Speaker 3: even if invest some of it and don't spend it
Speaker 3: immediately after earning it, we expend it.
Speaker 2: All the work we do.
Speaker 3: The economic value we create is offset by the house
Speaker 3: in which we live, the food we eat, the medical
Speaker 3: costs of keeping us alive, the vacations we take, and
Speaker 3: all the myriad other things we consume each day and
Speaker 3: over the course of the years, some of us consume
Speaker 3: more than we produce. This requires some type of external subsidy,
Speaker 3: be it a trust fund, charital support, or government benefits,
Speaker 3: like the way he puts government benefits last, Like, that's
Speaker 3: not the first thing.
Speaker 1: That's Oh no, it happens in rare cases. The government
Speaker 1: supports people.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, Back to his text, a small number of
Speaker 3: us produce more than we consume, and an even smaller
Speaker 3: number produce vastly more than they could ever hope of consuming.
Speaker 3: These people have many different roles and titles. If you
Speaker 3: respect these people and appreciate their contributions to our society, which,
Speaker 3: by the way, I hope you do, because these are
Speaker 3: the people that make it possible for you to eat food.
Speaker 2: You didn't have to grow yourself, live an house.
Speaker 3: You didn't have to build yourself and utilize countless technological innovations.
Speaker 2: You didn't have to invent yourself.
Speaker 1: Yeah, when are they gonna pay their first share? That's
Speaker 1: what I want to know.
Speaker 3: You probably call them builders, creators or inventors, founders, entrepreneurs,
Speaker 3: business leaders, titans of industry, pillars of community.
Speaker 2: That's if you respect them, he said.
Speaker 3: If you don't like them, you probably have other terms plutocrats, bourgeoisie, coulos, parasites, vultures,
Speaker 3: hoarders of wealth.
Speaker 2: Is this nineteen nineteen Russia or time.
Speaker 3: It's kind of interesting that he's got this point of
Speaker 3: view that I agree with, while at the same time
Speaker 3: perpetuating that fraud tax statement that he put.
Speaker 2: Out there, isn't it? Yeah, that is odd. I mean,
Speaker 2: he'd has to know better. He's a financial genius.
Speaker 3: Anyway, back to what he said, going back to the
Speaker 3: old rich person at the start of this, that guy,
Speaker 3: whether you respect him or not, attained his position in
Speaker 3: society by virtue. Having been a net producer. He's produced
Speaker 3: more than he's consumed. His outputs total more than the
Speaker 3: sum of his inputs. Put simply, he's planted and harvested
Speaker 3: more than he's eaten.
Speaker 2: People who produce.
Speaker 3: Like that over the course of their lives don't do
Speaker 3: so because they want to one day start consuming more.
Speaker 3: Men and women who spend each day as net producers
Speaker 3: don't just switch it off one day and become a
Speaker 3: net consumer. Vacations, rounds of golf, restaurant outings, and movies
Speaker 3: showing simply aren't satisfying to someone whose mind not to
Speaker 3: mention whose heart, whose animating spirit is wired for producing.
Speaker 3: It simply doesn't work that way. You might not understand it.
Speaker 3: You might not understand these people, and that's fine. For
Speaker 3: much of my life I didn't either. But don't question
Speaker 3: what drives them just because it's not what drives you.
Speaker 3: Because these are the men and women who built our society,
Speaker 3: explored new worlds, and vented the wondrous technologies we use
Speaker 3: every day, and created the works of art and literature
Speaker 3: we get to enjoy. And they're the ones who will
Speaker 3: keep building, keep creating, and keep making it possible for
Speaker 3: future generations to enjoy these things even greater.
Speaker 1: He is simultaneously right and overstating his case. In my opinion,
Speaker 1: I completely get his point, and it's eloquently put, and
Speaker 1: I appreciate it. At the same time, I've known plenty
Speaker 1: I know right now, plenty of people who one hundred
Speaker 1: percent answered to that description and then said, you know what,
Speaker 1: that's enough producing, and now I am going to play
Speaker 1: golf and go out to dinner and go to shows.
Speaker 1: Oh and you know, support charities, and you know I will.
Speaker 1: I will repurpose my life. I suppose you could argue
Speaker 1: they're still producing in a way, but I think it's
Speaker 1: a fairly extreme case or rare case that takes it
Speaker 1: damn near to the foot of the grave. Like Warren
Speaker 1: Buffett will I'm not criticizing, I'm just saying, you're out there.
Speaker 3: That's sort of his point though, that it is a
Speaker 3: small number who are so animated by that that's all
Speaker 3: they want to do.
Speaker 2: Yeah, clear to the end, right right.
Speaker 1: It sounded like to me he was being a bit
Speaker 1: more broad that if you have that spirit, you never
Speaker 1: lose it, and you work until you have one foot
Speaker 1: in the grave.
Speaker 2: And I'm just I'm not sure that's true. But I
Speaker 2: don't know. I'm closer to him than i'm not.
Speaker 3: I just can't imagine enjoying at all, traveling, eating, I
Speaker 3: don't golf, but whatever, I just can't even imagine enjoying
Speaker 3: that at all. That sounds awful to me. Well, this
Speaker 3: is why you're a titan of industry. Yeah, so what
Speaker 3: that's the interesting thing? What if you are are are
Speaker 3: not built to do those sorts of things, but you
Speaker 3: don't produce much. I produce, you know, I half produced
Speaker 3: four hours of frivolous talk every day.
Speaker 2: Headaches, headaches, occasion. Yeah, I don't know where that leaves you.
Speaker 1: Interesting question, you know, well to each in their own
Speaker 1: you know, degree whatever.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought that was really interesting.
Speaker 3: I liked him standing up for that crowd, you know,
Speaker 3: and stop calling us plutocrats and all that other stuff. Well, right,
Speaker 3: because we just want to produce as opposed to take. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I think he could have been harder on the people
Speaker 3: that only want to take. There's a big crowd out
Speaker 3: of there that is the exact opposite, hundred percent every
Speaker 3: It's a continuum obviously, from the produce to the day
Speaker 3: you die to the never produce a thing. But there's
Speaker 3: a lot of people perfectly happy with not producing a thing.
Speaker 3: I think it makes you miserable, probably a drug eYIC,
Speaker 3: can you die early? But there's a lot of people
Speaker 3: willing to do that.
Speaker 2: Well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the actual aerial tables would suggest that you're right.
Speaker 2: Yes.
Speaker 1: On the other hand, many folks, even you, have asked
Speaker 1: how much money do you need? Why do you keep working?
Speaker 1: Why do you keep doing this? Why do you keep
Speaker 1: you know, whatever that person does to acquire more and
Speaker 1: more wealth.
Speaker 2: Yeah, as he said, he.
Speaker 3: A reasonable question, he asked, that's the answer. Yeah, as
Speaker 3: he said, he asked that question his whole life. As
Speaker 3: I get closer to the end, you know, I'm sick.
Speaker 3: I might be dead by the end of the week.
Speaker 3: As I get closer to the end, I understand where
Speaker 3: he's coming from more than I did even two years ago,
Speaker 3: I think, and I don't know why, but it's interesting
Speaker 3: that he didn't get it a much of his I mean,
Speaker 3: he's really old. It's not like he's, you know, just
Speaker 3: turned sixty five retiring. He's pushing one hundred. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: thought provoking. Yeah, i'd say so. Elon's probably gonna be
Speaker 3: one of those people. Elon's never gonna say, well, that's
Speaker 3: enough of that.
Speaker 1: No, No, I agree completely. My no is a yes,
Speaker 1: but yes, I mean no vice versa. I've lost crack. Yeah, okay, interesting, Warren.
Speaker 3: I wish you could have taken back that stupid, stupid
Speaker 3: thing about your secretary paying lower taxes than you, because
Speaker 3: it's stupid, and you know it's stupid.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there are situations where you can borrow against enormous
Speaker 1: but unrealized gains and that quote unquote income is tax free.
Speaker 2: Yes, I'm familiar with that part of the tax code.
Speaker 1: But yeah, it's just again, it's it's a myth one
Speaker 1: the top one percent pay whatever. It is, forty seven
Speaker 1: percent of the income tax in America.
Speaker 2: Anyway.
Speaker 1: Uh, much more to come, including the tragic birth rate situation.
Speaker 2: Among human Oh we've got some breaking news. I wanted
Speaker 2: to mention. Oh, okay. Trump is just.
Speaker 3: Announced he'll give one thousand dollars to any illegal who
Speaker 3: voluntarily leaves the country. What you heard me? He is
Speaker 3: in full not a complicated says running a.
Speaker 2: Game show you know mode right now? I bet it works.
Speaker 3: I don't know if he's I don't know where that
Speaker 3: money would come from, and I don't know what the
Speaker 3: mechanism would be for doing it or any of that stuff.
Speaker 2: I am so mystified this. Where does this one ranking?
Speaker 1: Let's reopen Alcatraz as a maximum security prison?
Speaker 2: Is that above or below it in the what are
Speaker 2: we doing here? Scale?
Speaker 3: I'll bet it would work. I bet a bunch of people.
Speaker 3: I'll bet you could get a couple million people to voluntarily.
Speaker 2: Leave if they're going to get a thousand bucks.
Speaker 3: Thinking short term and or thinking I'm going to have
Speaker 3: to leave at some point anyway, so I might as
Speaker 3: well get a thousand dollars and you can't get back in.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the whole hot Christinome with her her ads that
Speaker 1: are running now all the time. That let's say, if
Speaker 1: you report yourself and leave, you can come back at
Speaker 1: some point legally. But if we find you and you
Speaker 1: haven't self reported, you're booted out for the rest of
Speaker 1: your life.
Speaker 2: If people are hearing that and thinking, wow, I wonder.
Speaker 1: If they're serious, and you'll give me a grand just
Speaker 1: to disappear, you know, my uncle rehire me back in
Speaker 1: Guadalajara or whatever. I don't I don't know, but a grand,
Speaker 1: I mean that's if you're making well, for instance, fifty
Speaker 1: two grand a year.
Speaker 2: That's that's a week's wages.
Speaker 1: You're gonna leave the land of milk and honey for
Speaker 1: a week's wages?
Speaker 2: What if you think you're gonna get booted out at
Speaker 2: some point anyway.
Speaker 1: I'm stuck in Alcatraz probably right, it'll be our new
Speaker 1: illegal immigrant camp.
Speaker 3: All right, this is just too whacked? All right, fine,
Speaker 3: you didn't like it too whack? Can you just passing
Speaker 3: along the news of the day. More on the way's
Speaker 3: day here.
Speaker 2: And as revolutionary as the pill was in.
Speaker 3: The sixties, freezing eggs so now you can have motherhood
Speaker 3: whenever you want it, not during your fun years. When
Speaker 3: you're running around and don't want to have kids, you
Speaker 3: can put it off to one you're much much older.
Speaker 3: According to sixty minutes last night, we'll discuss that probably
Speaker 3: an hour four man.
Speaker 2: That's an interesting story.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was thinking about this if if forget that
Speaker 1: were human beings, if we were deer, this is your
Speaker 1: headline for deer. One would be leader. One buck would
Speaker 1: be leader of the deer herd is criticized. The other
Speaker 1: would be leader for having antlers too big. Also, young
Speaker 1: bucks are now having fun scratching themselves against trees. In
Speaker 1: nons of news, the herd is dying out. I mean,
Speaker 1: shouldn't that be the leads story? Our herd is dying out.
Speaker 1: We're just importing deer from other forests to distract us
Speaker 1: from that fact. So stay tuned for that.
Speaker 3: Some of them have Ms. Thirteen tattooed on their hoops.
Speaker 3: That was photoshopped.
Speaker 1: So uh, it is so funny if you are a
Speaker 1: savvy consumer of the news to watch the gyrations. A
Speaker 1: lot of the lefty media, which is virtually everybody with
Speaker 1: the obvious exceptions, The gymnastics they go through if they
Speaker 1: come across something that makes them uncomfortable, and they'd prefer
Speaker 1: not to report it, whether it's the raging anti semitism
Speaker 1: on college campuses or what have you. This is a
Speaker 1: perfect example. Did you hear about the giant blackouts in
Speaker 1: Europe last week? France and Portugal in particularly in particular,
Speaker 1: in particularly.
Speaker 2: Massive swaths of Europe had.
Speaker 1: Like day long blackouts, no electric power, no flights, no trains,
Speaker 1: no medical care, people milling around looking at each other.
Speaker 2: What are we supposed to do now? And there's a
Speaker 2: big mystery as to what was causing it.
Speaker 1: And this was covered extensively on your mainstream media. Cyber attack,
Speaker 1: Chinese something or other, the damn Ruskies, who knows. But
Speaker 1: then as soon as it became clear what actually had happened,
Speaker 1: we've moved on to other things.
Speaker 2: Nothing to see. Oh, I have a guess, I didn't
Speaker 2: follow this story. Go ahead, guess away. I'll bet it's
Speaker 2: a good one.
Speaker 3: Green energy didn't fill the role it's supposed to, one
Speaker 3: hundred percent over reliance on utterly unreliable green energy.
Speaker 1: And I came across a piece that was very, very
Speaker 1: good by Emmett Penny in the Free Press that described
Speaker 1: as I'll just touch on a little bit because we
Speaker 1: don't have much time. But simply put the power grid
Speaker 1: as like a giant game of tug of war. On
Speaker 1: one side, there's demand, on the other, there's supply. Keeping
Speaker 1: the lights on involves making sure the rope between supply
Speaker 1: and demand remains taut. This tautness is called inertia in
Speaker 1: the energy grid business. Healthy inertia means healthy grid frequency,
Speaker 1: which in Europe means fifty hertz. None of this means
Speaker 1: anything to any of us, and we'll forget it as
Speaker 1: soon as we've heard it. But in the version of
Speaker 1: events initially attributed to this other thing, something along one
Speaker 1: of the power the lines disrupted the even flow of
Speaker 1: power between generators on the grid, which messed with a
Speaker 1: frequency which likely tripped off more wind and solar, which
Speaker 1: slackened the rope, which probably caused the blackouts.
Speaker 2: They are way way.
Speaker 1: Overliant on unpredictable, unsustainable sources of energy. The sources that
Speaker 1: made up eighty percent of the mix just before the
Speaker 1: blackout can't supply the requisite inertia the grid needs. So
Speaker 1: when these atmospheric ostellations they call them took place. The
Speaker 1: Spanish grid was already in a precarious scot spot because
Speaker 1: it's the dearth of dispatchable power made it much more
Speaker 1: vulnerable to the sort of disturbances you're going to have.
Speaker 2: In the real world.
Speaker 1: It makes it rigid, inflexible, and undependable.
Speaker 2: In the modern world. I've been in that whole life. Well,
Speaker 2: what are you gonna do? Yeah? Yeah, So that's why
Speaker 2: that story went away. Yep.
Speaker 3: Interesting to see your folks keep moving. How many pencils
Speaker 3: do you need to live? In America?
Speaker 2: That question in others on the way Armstrong and Getty
Speaker 2: get some eggs.
Speaker 4: Go, Let's get some eggs.
Speaker 5: More and more American women are freezing their eggs to
Speaker 5: preserve their fertility.
Speaker 2: Those of the eggs.
Speaker 5: Could egg freezing offer what previous generations only dreamed of?
Speaker 5: The chance to put the biological clock on ice.
Speaker 4: There definitely is that TikTok clock, and I'm not ready
Speaker 4: quite yet.
Speaker 3: I think that egg freezing is as revolutionary as the
Speaker 3: pill was in nineteen sixties and seventies.
Speaker 5: It's as revolutionary as the pell.
Speaker 3: Joe's favorite thing that sixty minutes does and does better
Speaker 3: than anybody else. Restate what they just said, because your
Speaker 3: audience is eighty five years old and you're afraid they
Speaker 3: missed it. But the story about freezing eggs and freeing
Speaker 3: you up to have kids whenever you want as a woman,
Speaker 3: I don't think previous generations necessarily were dreaming of this
Speaker 3: and the way you just stated. But let's hear a
Speaker 3: couple more and then we'll discuss.
Speaker 2: Here we go.
Speaker 5: We spoke to a group of women about their decision
Speaker 5: to freeze their eggs.
Speaker 2: Why is it a good idea?
Speaker 4: I one hundred percent know that I really would love
Speaker 4: to have children.
Speaker 5: Yeas been Higbee is twenty nine, works in consultings and
Speaker 5: has a serious boyfriend.
Speaker 4: I'll be able to enjoy these times with my partner
Speaker 4: a bit more instead of rushing to have kids because
Speaker 4: there definitely is that TikTok clock that started and I'm
Speaker 4: not ready quite yet.
Speaker 2: It's an insurance.
Speaker 4: I know that you know I'm going to be an
Speaker 4: older mother.
Speaker 3: This whole thing hurts my heart. One more and then
Speaker 3: we'll get into it the next one. They're mine, Oh,
Speaker 3: you don't have any ethnikes?
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 3: The next one was going to get into it about
Speaker 3: enjoying life instead of rushing into having kids, rushing into
Speaker 3: having kids before you're forty five.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's yeah, that's.
Speaker 1: What she was talking about. The one we skipped is
Speaker 1: no difference in the health of babies.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, okay, gotcha. Yeah, uh yeah, I don't I
Speaker 2: don't know.
Speaker 1: I'm always uncomfortable with this judging other people's lifestyles. Oh no,
Speaker 1: I love that. It's like I do that all day long.
Speaker 1: Uh No, it's a couple of things. Number one, you know,
Speaker 1: people make these decisions for all sorts of complicated reasons,
Speaker 1: and it's very very personal. And second, my wife and
Speaker 1: I full disclosure, had our children by today's standards young.
Speaker 1: I was twenty seven when I became a dad for
Speaker 1: the first time, which people say, wow, you know. Not
Speaker 1: very long ago, they'd just said wow, why'd you wait
Speaker 1: so long? Now it's wow, you're just a kid. And
Speaker 1: Judy was just a little older than me. But and
Speaker 1: I don't want to be guy who argues my life
Speaker 1: choices over yours reflexively. On the other hand, and I
Speaker 1: could list several examples where, especially in the twentieth century,
Speaker 1: which was the era of almost the cult of scientific development,
Speaker 1: in that we didn't only marvel at it and benefit
Speaker 1: from it. We became convinced that if science could do it,
Speaker 1: science should do it right. I think that was kind
Speaker 1: of the dawn of people really thinking that, and the
Speaker 1: infamous unforgivable so moronic. It makes me want to assault.
Speaker 1: Somebody thought in the twentieth century that we have designed
Speaker 1: this factory manufactured formula that is far superior to a
Speaker 1: mother's milk. You're feeding your baby your milk, your mother's milk.
Speaker 1: You're a bad parent in a monster feed it these
Speaker 1: chemicals from our plant instead, which is monstrous in its
Speaker 1: ignorance and belligerence. But generations of kids and moms got
Speaker 1: that message.
Speaker 3: My only quibble with the sixty minutes piece was they
Speaker 3: didn't present really any of the possible other side in
Speaker 3: the way that I think it could have been to
Speaker 3: at great length. For instance, and I have no leg
Speaker 3: to stand on in this conversation. I didn't have kids
Speaker 3: till I was forty five years old, because I'm a guy,
Speaker 3: and I can choose to do whatever I want, so I'll.
Speaker 1: Well, I appreciate your full disclosure. But at the same time,
Speaker 1: I have made a number of life choices that I
Speaker 1: am not going to defend at all.
Speaker 2: In fact, I would like to tell you why they're.
Speaker 1: Stupid ideas, you know what I mean, or or I
Speaker 1: was in that position. If I had it all to
Speaker 1: do over again, I'd do it differently. That doesn't make
Speaker 1: you a hypocriter.
Speaker 3: I wish I had kids younger for all kinds of
Speaker 3: different reasons. It will eliminate the whole grandparent relationship thing
Speaker 3: to a great extent when everybody starts having kids, everybody
Speaker 3: starts having kids at a much later age, because it
Speaker 3: just does.
Speaker 2: Your grandparents are in a.
Speaker 3: Much different phase of their life if they're around at all,
Speaker 3: and all that sort of stuff. I mean, it's I mean,
Speaker 3: there's lots of downsides, or even if you don't call
Speaker 3: them downsides, changes, and not all changes are positive, as
Speaker 3: you say all the time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I would just.
Speaker 1: Say, there are a number of biological and that's a
Speaker 1: very broad category, number of biological reasons why you are
Speaker 1: better off having children when you are younger.
Speaker 2: Some of those have been.
Speaker 1: Made less significance significant by medical science, which is wonderful.
Speaker 1: I mean, for instance, one of the reasons you want
Speaker 1: to have your kids ladies when you were young and
Speaker 1: very strong and resilient. Is because frequently it went kind
Speaker 1: of sideways, and maternal mortality was a serious problem for
Speaker 1: human beings and any animal, I suppose, but particularly human
Speaker 1: beings because we're born with these enormous brains and very
Speaker 1: large heads, which can make the birthing process. I don't
Speaker 1: need to tell this to folk. Ladies have given birth.
Speaker 1: It can make it very difficult. As I've said more
Speaker 1: than once, my first kid, Kate, would have probably died
Speaker 1: in childbirth, taking Judy with her. But no, it was
Speaker 1: the twentieth century, so thank god everybody survived. So and
Speaker 1: so some of the reasons you want to have your
Speaker 1: kids this is because of the getty head. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean our heads among you know, normal folks who
Speaker 1: have enormous heads we refer to as penheads. We have
Speaker 1: college we have we have heads rather like college mascots. Anyway,
Speaker 1: I have to wear my order my cowboy hats from
Speaker 1: mascot stores Giant well. But anyway, but some of the
Speaker 1: realities of giving birth to children, raising children cannot be
Speaker 1: changed by you know, science, And there are more and
Speaker 1: more studies that show that older eggs, older you know,
Speaker 1: sperm whatever, are not quite as effective or more prone
Speaker 1: to various problems, which is why they're freezing the eggs,
Speaker 1: I guess, But so.
Speaker 2: I do feel a little bit.
Speaker 3: I know this is your thing, which we'll talk about next,
Speaker 3: is we're on the Titanic talking about how great the
Speaker 3: new ships are going to be in ten years as
Speaker 3: we get heads straight toward the iceberg, and we are
Speaker 3: doing that. In terms of the whole having babies thing,
Speaker 3: we'll talk we'll explain what that means right after this.
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Speaker 3: So last week we had the New York Times story
Speaker 3: about designer babies and being able to choose taller or
Speaker 3: blue eyes or various things, and the horrors that could
Speaker 3: go with that, boys or girls.
Speaker 2: Now you got the whole freezing eggs.
Speaker 3: The good news if you're worried about that, I guess
Speaker 3: is people ain't gonna have babies period or aren't currently,
Speaker 3: and there's no reason to think that's gonna turn around
Speaker 3: anytime soon.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we talked about this more than once. You've probably
Speaker 1: heard about it from other folks as well. But our
Speaker 1: birth rates in the developed world are they rang from Oh,
Speaker 1: my Lord to Great God, we're already dead. In the
Speaker 1: United States, we're at one point six six. The conventional
Speaker 1: wisdom being each mother needs to have two point one
Speaker 1: children on average. I was just reading a genetic study
Speaker 1: that said it's really closer to two point seven children
Speaker 1: to avoid families dying out on a genetic ongoing basis.
Speaker 1: But that gets a little complicated statistically, But anyway, it's
Speaker 1: more than two children on average per mom just to
Speaker 1: keep the population exactly the same. And we're at one
Speaker 1: point six six or so in America, and Japan is
Speaker 1: at one point three, and South Korea the poster child
Speaker 1: for not having kids is whereas at point eighty seven.
Speaker 1: Whoa greatoo. Canada's one point four to seven. It's less
Speaker 1: than America. You're fifty first state only because it'll be
Speaker 1: empty soon. So yeah, the birth rates are crazy. I
Speaker 1: just and I say this every time.
Speaker 3: I do not believe it's because, you know, like the
Speaker 3: clips we just played from sixty minutes, I've just got
Speaker 3: so many things I want to do now. Well, wasn't
Speaker 3: that long ago the things people wanted to do was
Speaker 3: have a kid?
Speaker 2: Yeah, they were, they weren't.
Speaker 3: I guess I'll have the kid, I'm gonna have to
Speaker 3: put off travel and all these other things I want
Speaker 3: to do or social pressure.
Speaker 1: Yeah, my mom keeps bugging me, so we probably ought
Speaker 1: to go ahead and get pregnant.
Speaker 3: The thing you wanted to do more than anything in
Speaker 3: the world was have a kid, and it wasn't just
Speaker 3: because TikTok wasn't around. So you know, whatever he's driving
Speaker 3: that I don't know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, uh.
Speaker 1: And again I want to tread with light foot on
Speaker 1: this stuff because people can make their own decisions.
Speaker 2: And I'm going to cast dispersions.
Speaker 1: If you can preserve your eggs and they're still in
Speaker 1: great shape and some of the problems with older eggs
Speaker 1: and older sperm or not resent, I suppose that's fine.
Speaker 1: I just I will tell you as a young parent,
Speaker 1: it's worked out fantastic.
Speaker 2: It's been great.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: We're we're pretty poor. I mean we were, you know. Famously,
Speaker 1: I would occasionally go out for a beer with friends,
Speaker 1: and as I've said through the years, I had the
Speaker 1: budget for one ninety nine cent draft one. That was it,
Speaker 1: and if nobody wanted to buy me a beer, I
Speaker 1: went home afterward.
Speaker 2: And it was fine.
Speaker 1: I actually remember those days yeah, you know, I didn't
Speaker 1: dig it at the time, but it's fine. And again,
Speaker 1: you make the choices that work for you. Don't send
Speaker 1: your indignant email saying, well, it's fine and good for
Speaker 1: you to say, but this is my reality. That's fine
Speaker 1: that I'm not talking about you. But I have God
Speaker 1: willing a good long few decades that my grown kids
Speaker 1: are my friends and I get to see them live
Speaker 1: their life and someday I hope to have grandkids.
Speaker 2: You know, we have our own family circumstances, but with.
Speaker 1: Our individual kids, but there are wonderful, wonderful advantages to it.
Speaker 1: I had tons of energy. I was working, you know,
Speaker 1: obscene hours early in our career, and I was coaching
Speaker 1: my kids teams and wrestling with him and running around
Speaker 1: and playing catching the art.
Speaker 2: But it was great in a lot of ways.
Speaker 1: But you know, to each their own, so just and
Speaker 1: the only reason I bring that up is not to
Speaker 1: say it's better and you're a dope if you don't.
Speaker 2: Because there's a right way, wrong way. I appreciate your rigidity.
Speaker 1: It's it's just to say, if you all, if you've
Speaker 1: been listening to those messages that oh you got to
Speaker 1: wait until you can afford, you know, designer baby clothes.
Speaker 2: And that's the dumbest. It's not true. That is the
Speaker 2: absolute dumbest reason.
Speaker 3: I had a neighbor who used to say, just throw
Speaker 3: it out there because this was his addy, because he
Speaker 3: had kids older before I had ever had kids. He'd
Speaker 3: always say, I wouldn't trade your fifties for my twenties.
Speaker 3: That was his big saying. And he had such a
Speaker 3: good time in his twenties. He glad he didn't ruin
Speaker 3: it by having kids. So I don't know if he
Speaker 3: still feels that way. It's possibly he feels different now
Speaker 3: that he's older, and.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. I don't know.
Speaker 2: I hope he's happy whatever I think.
Speaker 3: Just to throw in my two cents on that having
Speaker 3: kids older, I don't think I enjoyed all the free
Speaker 3: time I had when I was younger, the way you
Speaker 3: would if you raised your kids already. I just thought
Speaker 3: that was life. No, I was on vacation the entire
Speaker 3: time and didn't know it. Yeah, that's funny. I was
Speaker 3: retired basically and didn't even know it. So it was
Speaker 3: a lot of wasted time.
Speaker 1: It would have been funny if you'd said, you know,
Speaker 1: as a guy with full time job. Yeah, I'm semi retired.
Speaker 1: And then I screw around all that.
Speaker 3: I see people at the airport traveling without kids, and
Speaker 3: I don't care what your business trip is or whatever
Speaker 3: you're on vacation if you're not traveling with kids.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, So I wanted to get to this. It's
Speaker 2: a somewhat different topic, but it is. Uh, why don't
Speaker 2: I just go ahead and mention it. Then we'll take
Speaker 2: a break.
Speaker 1: You know, my joke about we've got all these health
Speaker 1: problems as Homo sapiens and and my joke is one
Speaker 1: scientist said, well, they're eating completely different things than they've
Speaker 1: ever eaten before as a species. The other scientist said, nah,
Speaker 1: that's not it. I mean, what the hell silly.
Speaker 2: And knee jerk would that be? Oh, here's another one.
Speaker 1: Scientists have made an alarming discovery inside human ovaries. Ladies,
Speaker 1: you know what she got a bunch of in your ovaries? Microplastics?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, new study shows what scientists have feared for
Speaker 1: a long time, the effect of microplastics on human fertility.
Speaker 3: Stay wit us, Okay, and then you're gonna go on
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Speaker 4: There's Lark.
Speaker 3: Wow, Logo had a little point afterwards.
Speaker 2: That was Caitlin Clark yesterday.
Speaker 3: So she returned to a University of Iowa court for
Speaker 3: its exhibition game aim to play where she became famous
Speaker 3: and took a shot from just inside the half court
Speaker 3: line and nailed it and everybody went in berzerco to
Speaker 3: her inner defense for taking that shot. They were up
Speaker 3: fifty five at the time, so wow, the game was
Speaker 3: fairly solidly put away.
Speaker 2: Dominant performance.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, she was showboating hot dog and I don't appreciately.
Speaker 2: So I don't know what to do with this information.
Speaker 1: Recent study shows evidence what scientists have feared for long time,
Speaker 1: the effects of microplastics on human fertility. And Jack and
Speaker 1: I have a personal interest, not just a professional and
Speaker 1: broad human interest in what seems to be a real
Speaker 1: increase in the number of kids with various developmental problems
Speaker 1: from autism to mental health issues to whatever. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's just undeniable. I was doing a little mental just
Speaker 1: kind of sensus of the people close to me, whether
Speaker 1: personal life or actual family and the rest of it,
Speaker 1: and the number of kids with autism or similar issues.
Speaker 1: Is notable, I sure is just say that for the
Speaker 1: first time, scientists have discovered microplastics in the follicular fluid
Speaker 1: of human ovaries. According to a new peer reviewed study,
Speaker 1: this fluid plays a crucial role in nourishing and developing
Speaker 1: a woman's eggs, and researchers have alarmingly found plastic particles
Speaker 1: in fourteen out of eighteen samples collected from patients undergoing
Speaker 1: fertility treatment. It's not a huge study, obviously, but it's
Speaker 1: peer reviewed and the research makes marks a major step
Speaker 1: forward and understanding how deep plastic pollution runs, not just
Speaker 1: in the environment but in our bodies. And then they
Speaker 1: go into some of the function of this fluid in
Speaker 1: the way ovaries do what they do. But the presence
Speaker 1: of microplastics in this fluid raises the possibility that these
Speaker 1: tiny particles are interfering with essential reproductive processes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I can imagine. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, and these people have been looking at virtually every
Speaker 1: fluid human beings produce and secrete. They have found microplastics
Speaker 1: in us and animals.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, do.
Speaker 3: Work if you can get it. I want to analyze
Speaker 3: all your secretions. Any liquid that comes out of you.
Speaker 3: I don't care where on the body. I'm going to
Speaker 3: take a good look, hard look at it. I've made
Speaker 3: a career of it.
Speaker 1: It's more interesting than you'd think you But animal studies
Speaker 1: have suggested that the plastics may disrupt O variant function
Speaker 1: and reduce the ability to conceive. This does not speak
Speaker 1: to child developmental stuff. So that connection I made in
Speaker 1: my mind is there's no suggestion to that in this study.
Speaker 1: But something is going on in reproduction and or you know,
Speaker 1: there's absolutely microplastics and breast milk over again, where are
Speaker 1: we get in most of the microplastics?
Speaker 2: That is it? Because when you of us drink out
Speaker 2: of plastic water bottles, Oh no, because plastic is everywhere.
Speaker 2: I know it is.
Speaker 1: It's everywhere all the time, and it gets thrown away
Speaker 1: and broken up and dissolves.
Speaker 3: But I don't know if there's that much more plastic
Speaker 3: in my life than there was forty years ago, other
Speaker 3: than the water bottles.
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, oh yeah, yeah, there's plastic in everything in
Speaker 1: a way that you know forty years ago. Well, certainly
Speaker 1: like fifty years ago. You remember the famous line from
Speaker 1: the graduate one word Benjamin plastics, The omnipresence of I
Speaker 1: wish I had some stats in front of me, But yeah,
Speaker 1: plastic has gone from a rarity to everywhere all the
Speaker 1: time in everything. Go by by one hundred bucks worth
Speaker 1: of groceries and take a look at how much plastic
Speaker 1: packaging there is. For instance, that was absolutely not the
Speaker 1: case the generation two generations ago. And it breaks down,
Speaker 1: whether by sunlight, by water, by being crushed up or whatever.
Speaker 1: It's not like I mean, the water bottles might play
Speaker 1: a role, but it's like microscopic, little tiny bits of
Speaker 1: it that you breathe in.
Speaker 2: You never have anything.
Speaker 3: Wouldn't it be something if it turns out that's one
Speaker 3: of the worst things mankind ever did was invent plastic.
Speaker 2: Wouldn't shock me.
Speaker 3: Wouldn't shock me either, Well, that'd be a revolution to
Speaker 3: try to get rid of plastic in the world.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and we're not some sort of environmental nut job
Speaker 1: show here. We're just trying to understand what is.
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