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Speaker 3: And it's time for another episode of the Dynasty wrap
Speaker 3: up show. Matt Smith and Indianapolis joined by Fred kersh
Speaker 3: In Paul Pirillo in our studios back in Foxborough. The
Speaker 3: ten Park documentary event The Dynasty New England Patriots is
Speaker 3: streaming now exclusively on Apple TV Plus. Gentlemen, we're here
Speaker 3: to talk about episodes five and six. In episode five,
Speaker 3: did anybody else notice that they spent more time on
Speaker 3: Moss's no catch on the Patriots final drive than the
Speaker 3: scorned assante Samuel no interception on the Giants final drive?
Speaker 2: I did notice that.
Speaker 1: But before we get into it, Matt, You're at the
Speaker 1: combine and I'm wondering, has any Patriots players gone up
Speaker 1: to Elliott Wolf and say they want to be traded
Speaker 1: or moved to California or you know, go to a
Speaker 1: safe house or anything like that that's later they have not. Okay,
Speaker 1: that episode six, we'll get into that, all.
Speaker 2: Right, correct, but correct.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Here's here's one of the things that I think
Speaker 3: fans are going to love, and I can't say enough
Speaker 3: about it. I wish, quite honestly, that there had been
Speaker 3: more of it. I call it the Loser's Ring ceremony
Speaker 3: that they showed at the very beginning of episode five
Speaker 3: after the Patriots lost to the Giants.
Speaker 2: In the Super Bowl.
Speaker 3: Wonder what you guys thoughted that footage.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I enjoyed it, and it's something that I was
Speaker 4: aware of through you, and I share your sentiments. I
Speaker 4: didn't see enough of it, you know, they only showed
Speaker 4: you know, Bill's part. That to me, the money part
Speaker 4: was Bill sort of explaining just how important it is
Speaker 4: to unlike most years where he's preaching forget about last year. No,
Speaker 4: do not forget about how hard it was for those
Speaker 4: sixteen wins. Don't forget those sixty To know is you
Speaker 4: forget the five and elevens. You've been through the five
Speaker 4: and elevens and the seven and ninees. Those are the
Speaker 4: ones you want to forget. This one takes some time
Speaker 4: and remember what you guys accomplished, because it was pretty incredible.
Speaker 1: I thought it was awesome, just you know, the behind
Speaker 1: the scenes footage was was awesome to see that. But
Speaker 1: I remember at the time, Paul, internally, there was a
Speaker 1: lot of debate do you put up a.
Speaker 2: Sixteen in O banner, right, and a lot it was split.
Speaker 1: Not everyone agreed, like you do you know, you don't
Speaker 1: do that, and you know the sixteen and oh one out,
Speaker 1: and you know, it was good to see Bill telling
Speaker 1: the team, you know, and he's he said it. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm always a guy to move on. You know, it
Speaker 1: doesn't really matter. But when you have sixteen and oh,
Speaker 1: you don't forget that. You don't forget that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I was one of the few because I
Speaker 4: think it wasn't really split. I think most people were
Speaker 4: against it. I had no problem with it, and I'm
Speaker 4: not a big fan of the divisional you know. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I grew up in Boston, you know, at the Boston
Speaker 4: Garden and the Bruins had all the Adams Division titles.
Speaker 4: Those did nothing.
Speaker 2: Well, Matt's in the place of the home of the Division.
Speaker 4: Absolutely, but you know, sixteen and oh isn't an Adam's
Speaker 4: Division title, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: At the risk of being the company guy, I will
Speaker 3: send kudos to the Crafts, Robert and Jonathan who had
Speaker 3: the foresight to say, we need to shoot this. It's
Speaker 3: never been seen until this episode came out. Never footage
Speaker 3: has never been seen before, and I think fans are
Speaker 3: really really going to enjoy seeing it because you're getting
Speaker 3: a scene behind the curtain that nobody's seen before. So
Speaker 3: we move along until episode five, Brady goes down. There's
Speaker 3: a lot of time spent on Brady's injury, how devastated
Speaker 3: he was. And Paul, I want to ask you, because
Speaker 3: you're the first person I heard talk about this, were
Speaker 3: the seeds planted there in that episode that maybe that
Speaker 3: Bill doesn't think you need a top tier quarterback in
Speaker 3: order to win with how successful relatively speaking, the Patriots
Speaker 3: were that year.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Look, you never know what's in a guy's mind,
Speaker 4: in a person's heart without knowing for sure, right, Like,
Speaker 4: it's my feeling from watching this part. And I did
Speaker 4: think it was a little odd. Again, they spent so
Speaker 4: much time on this season, and I thought it was
Speaker 4: sort of throwing a bone to Bill, because I know
Speaker 4: Bill's very proud of the fact that they didn't fall apart,
Speaker 4: you know, for whatever that means. They went eleven and
Speaker 4: five with Matt Castle. But I just I felt like
Speaker 4: the commentary of that season was what an unbelievable job
Speaker 4: by Bill. Bill's sort of proving that Tom Brady. You know,
Speaker 4: one guy said it, I don't forget who that Tom
Speaker 4: Brady's actually a system quarterback. That shows it. It was
Speaker 4: nonsense and there was not the prevailing wisdom at the time.
Speaker 4: And what I really had a problem with with this
Speaker 4: was they sort of you know, and I understand that
Speaker 4: Tom Brady and the Brady family may have felt like
Speaker 4: this because Tom is maniacally competitive, right, and he did
Speaker 4: know how he got his job. There was no talk
Speaker 4: now of well Tom knows how he got his job,
Speaker 4: so he wants to get back out that he may
Speaker 4: have been feeling that, but I'm telling you there was
Speaker 4: one hundred percent of people in New England that never
Speaker 4: gave it a second thought. When Tom Brady's healthy again,
Speaker 4: he will take over. Regardless of how Madcastle played very
Speaker 4: well that year. He deserves a lot of credit for
Speaker 4: playing well. He was never going to take Brady's job.
Speaker 4: That was never like, there was no drama there, and
Speaker 4: I think they tried to sort of insert it into this.
Speaker 4: But I do think to answer Matt's point, Matt Matt's
Speaker 4: question the over the top even Bill postgame that last one,
Speaker 4: I wish we had a game next week. I think
Speaker 4: it was the day after Prescotte. I wish we had
Speaker 4: a game next week, but I'm awfully proud of this
Speaker 4: team and what it's accomplished. And I thought that was
Speaker 4: kind of a way for Bill to say, I'm awfully
Speaker 4: proud of myself for not having this fall apart. And
Speaker 4: I do wonder if that maybe set the stage for
Speaker 4: a little bit of a riff like Tom sort of
Speaker 4: reading that, like, oh, you think you can just win
Speaker 4: without me, Like, to me, there's a big difference in
Speaker 4: five games. Yeah, sixteen and o to eleven and five
Speaker 4: showed you just how great Tom Brady was.
Speaker 1: I get I understand the director's choice in trying to
Speaker 1: create that drama for the sake of storytelling, but you're right,
Speaker 1: we were in the middle of it. Remember this is
Speaker 1: a team that was sixteen and oh the year before,
Speaker 1: not a lot of change the next year and they
Speaker 1: were eleven and five, you know, so they lost five
Speaker 1: more games than the year before with basically the same
Speaker 1: because they didn't have Brady.
Speaker 4: And they prefaced it all Matt by sort of before
Speaker 4: they got into eight. You know, Tom when he talked
Speaker 4: just how devastating that seven loss was, you know, and
Speaker 4: he really, you know, it was it was just a
Speaker 4: devastating loss for them. But he said, we looked at
Speaker 4: the two thousand and eight year as a redemption year
Speaker 4: for us. You know, we felt like we had the
Speaker 4: same team, right, and it was going to be a
Speaker 4: redemption year. So again, redemption years don't result in minus
Speaker 4: five right in the win loss total. So again I
Speaker 4: think it was I think it's admirable that they didn't
Speaker 4: fall apart. Yeah, but they also didn't make the playoffs.
Speaker 3: I thought the Brady interview coming off of the Super
Speaker 3: Bowl loss was one of the most insightful things, and
Speaker 3: I think fans will enjoy seeing just how you could
Speaker 3: tell how beat up Brady was about that loss and
Speaker 3: how it eats him still to this day. Just one
Speaker 3: of the things on the you know, the Brady family.
Speaker 3: And I think it was Tom Senior who mentioned when
Speaker 3: he was talking about coach Belichick and he said, well,
Speaker 3: you know, coach Belichick, if you're not around, out of side,
Speaker 3: out of mind. And my question is when he said that,
Speaker 3: is that really different from a lot of other coaches.
Speaker 3: Isn't that generally the way it is when somebody's injured,
Speaker 3: that you're out of side out of mind.
Speaker 2: It definitely used to be.
Speaker 1: You know, coaches didn't want injured players around. They would
Speaker 1: tell him, you know, get lost, not in those way,
Speaker 1: but you know, but lately though, you do see more
Speaker 1: injured guys hanging out on the sideline. You know, Aaron
Speaker 1: Rodgers of course is famously but that sentiment has kind
Speaker 1: of changed. But you know, ten fifteen years ago, I'm
Speaker 1: sure a lot of coaches said, listen, if you're out
Speaker 1: for the season, go rehab, do what you have to do.
Speaker 2: We'll see you next.
Speaker 4: Thing, and real quick, I would just say that the
Speaker 4: reason that that changed is because the IR rules have changed,
Speaker 4: and now when you're on IR, you're not out of sight,
Speaker 4: out of mind.
Speaker 2: You could come back, right.
Speaker 4: So you know, when Brady went on IR, he was
Speaker 4: done for the year, no matter what happened. So obviously
Speaker 4: he wouldn't have been able to come back anyway. But
Speaker 4: now you go on IR in week one, if you're
Speaker 4: healthy in week thirteen, you can play. That wasn't the
Speaker 4: case then, So I do think it was out of sight,
Speaker 4: out of mind for most teams. Man.
Speaker 2: I think you're right, And it wasn't just a Bill thing.
Speaker 3: Right, A new character was introduced in episode five, and
Speaker 3: again the directors and the production crew there did it
Speaker 3: in a very dramatic way with the dramatic pan and
Speaker 3: the sight of Alex Guerrero.
Speaker 4: Yeah, again this is this goes back to my theory.
Speaker 4: And you guys know, you guys always make fun of
Speaker 4: me because I always they always have these conspiracy theories
Speaker 4: and you know, hidden meanings. I think this was if
Speaker 4: you want to go back to the seeds of the
Speaker 4: rift being sown, this is part of it. This gets
Speaker 4: Guerrero into his life. McGinnis. Evidently, you know, hooks Brady
Speaker 4: up with Alice Guerrero, he helped him with his rehab,
Speaker 4: and I think therein you know that there's a conflict
Speaker 4: as how this is going to happen. Right, Bill did
Speaker 4: not appreciate Guerrero's presence, and Bill was, I think, help
Speaker 4: bent on showing that he didn't need Brady to win,
Speaker 4: and Brady, being the competitor that he was, didn't even
Speaker 4: want to go on ir with a torn a cl
Speaker 4: He wanted to stay out there. He will lobbied, yeah,
Speaker 4: to stay out there and play. And I just feel
Speaker 4: like all of these things sort of conspired to lead
Speaker 4: to the rift.
Speaker 1: And if you remember, like mass General was ready and
Speaker 1: willing to do that surgery in Brady chose to go
Speaker 1: to LA to have it done and then he gets
Speaker 1: the infection. And I'm sure there was a lot of
Speaker 1: eye rolling and headshaking within these walls of like, why
Speaker 1: didn't you just stay here and get it done?
Speaker 4: Why you have to go all the way to LA?
Speaker 4: See what happened? So Matt, I want to give you
Speaker 4: guys another plug. And I know you don't like when
Speaker 4: we do this, but you know, again, all of these
Speaker 4: stories we were sort of familiar with. We might not
Speaker 4: know every detail, but we're familiar with it. The stuff
Speaker 4: that's new is the footage that Matt's talking about and
Speaker 4: a lot of the stuff that Matt and the crew shot.
Speaker 4: And I thought there was some really good locker room
Speaker 4: scenes in this season. And again it's no surprise because
Speaker 4: it was sort of an ode to Belichick. But you know,
Speaker 4: Bill flat out saying in ninety nine, the Rams lost
Speaker 4: Trent Green and Kurt Wanner took him to the super Bowl.
Speaker 4: You know, one we lost Drew Bledsoe and Brady took
Speaker 4: us to the super Bowl. This saw on you, now, Castle,
Speaker 4: you know like, I thought that was really interesting stuff
Speaker 4: that I hadn't seen.
Speaker 2: Matt.
Speaker 4: You probably have, but I don't think it's been shown
Speaker 4: publicly until this. I think fans will find some of
Speaker 4: these interactions. And then even with him teasing uh Mad
Speaker 4: after the Jets win. I know you haven't started the
Speaker 4: game since the seventh grade, but you did today and
Speaker 4: he gave him the game ball. I thought that was
Speaker 4: good stuff.
Speaker 1: The fact that Bill said that, you know, you know
Speaker 1: the history part of it. Do you think in his
Speaker 1: mind he thought they actually could go to the super Bowl?
Speaker 4: With me, they were absolutely loaded. That team was stacked.
Speaker 1: They were they were, But do you think Bill thought
Speaker 1: that they could get to the super Bowl?
Speaker 4: Probably not. But that's not how we. That's not how we,
Speaker 4: That's not how he's like wired. He's always wired to
Speaker 4: think he has a chance. And I think in his
Speaker 4: mind they were a lot better than all one. Yeah
Speaker 4: and oh one won the Super Bowl.
Speaker 2: Matt, what do you think? I think, why not?
Speaker 3: Why shouldn't they be able to win if they get
Speaker 3: if I think he realized if they get competent, turnover
Speaker 3: free football, play out of the quarterback with Moss and Welker,
Speaker 3: you still have that jugger out of an offense going. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I think he did think they had a chance to
Speaker 3: go back to the super Bowl. But I want to
Speaker 3: go back to one thing that I think Paul you
Speaker 3: mentioned it. You said something along the lines of that
Speaker 3: they threw a bone to Belichick. I think a lot
Speaker 3: of the criticism that we've been seeing after the first
Speaker 3: four episodes from fans from media is that they're out
Speaker 3: to get Bill, that Bill is the villain in this
Speaker 3: and I think in this episode, I would dispel that
Speaker 3: notion right there because they think they I don't know
Speaker 3: if it's there going out of their way, but they're
Speaker 3: telling the story that how successful the team was that
Speaker 3: year and that he helped keep it together with Brady
Speaker 3: going down.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's why that's why I referred to it that way.
Speaker 4: I agree with you. I thought this was the Bill episode. Yeah,
Speaker 4: you know, the majority of the other ones that I've
Speaker 4: seen not really been that way.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: The other thing about this episode, episode five, they get
Speaker 1: into the nine season a little bit. Yeah, and you
Speaker 1: know there's that famous We've seen it before where at
Speaker 1: the end of the season, Belichick's on the sideline with
Speaker 1: Brady and he's saying to Brady, you know how frust
Speaker 1: rating it is. He just can't get this team to
Speaker 1: play the way they need to play. And the fact
Speaker 1: that he's telling Brady that tells me that the rift
Speaker 1: hadn't completely happened yet, you know, because you don't confide
Speaker 1: in a guy who you know you're having trouble with
Speaker 1: that way. And I think they were still in pretty
Speaker 1: good terms in nine. And to me, that's one evidence
Speaker 1: of that that Bill was willing to tell Brady, you know,
Speaker 1: his innermost feelings about the team.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and Matt, one thing that I thought was really
Speaker 4: really good the way this this particular episode, episode five,
Speaker 4: we want to talk about six two in a second.
Speaker 4: I thought they did it really really well, Matt Hamichik
Speaker 4: setting up the cliffhanger and this one so you wind
Speaker 4: down the OH nine season, and it was disappointing. They
Speaker 4: showed the aftermath of that Baltimore game they just weren't
Speaker 4: good enough anymore. They had lost, you know, a lot
Speaker 4: of veterans that were key parts, and they talk about
Speaker 4: those and then they sort of get back to that
Speaker 4: sort of pressure to always win and they got to
Speaker 4: hit this draft and they the cliffhanger they set up
Speaker 4: is obviously drafting Aaron Hernandez, and I just thought that
Speaker 4: was not overly dramatic. I thought that was really really
Speaker 4: well done, the way they sort of set the stage
Speaker 4: for their mindset, you know. And I know it sounds
Speaker 4: silly to go from four to nine without a Super
Speaker 4: Bowl and feel pressure to win, but it was there
Speaker 4: was pressure there, and I thought they did a great
Speaker 4: job of sort of encapsulating that the way they set
Speaker 4: that cliffhanger up.
Speaker 1: Yep.
Speaker 3: I think I think Hamichek does great cliffhangers in this series.
Speaker 3: I think it's been a pretty constant theme throughout this
Speaker 3: and I think it's one of the nice things. And
Speaker 3: as a viewer, I think, oh wow, I want to
Speaker 3: get to the next one.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So the next one, Paul, as you say, is episode six,
Speaker 3: and it's the Aaron Hernandez episode.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: And watching the episode with somebody yesterday who remain who
Speaker 3: will remain nameless? And they couldn't believe the green screen
Speaker 3: footage that they started the entire episode with, I think
Speaker 3: that that was a network It was not an internal
Speaker 3: person's voice. I think that was a networks person's voice.
Speaker 3: As the networks are shooting green screen for the upcoming season.
Speaker 3: That scene was unbelievable.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I just I thought this this episode was you know,
Speaker 4: out of you know, after the first one. This is
Speaker 4: probably my next favorite, and not because of the subject
Speaker 4: matter obviously, but it was chilling. Yeah, it was chilling
Speaker 4: watching it, watching the smile, the personality that that Hernandez had,
Speaker 4: knowing the demons that were clearly in his head. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I thought they did a you know a good job
Speaker 4: of sort of displaying that dichotomy.
Speaker 1: What made this episode for me and we've I've saw,
Speaker 1: we've seen the Hernandez documentary, We've seen all that before.
Speaker 1: But what made this one was the interviews Dion Branch.
Speaker 4: And Brandon Many Lloyd and.
Speaker 2: And Wes Welker. The interviews of people made this episode.
Speaker 4: Three wide receivers in this episode were remarkable. They're compelling stuff.
Speaker 4: Brandon Lloyd was really good.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So, Paul, I've heard you say in a couple of
Speaker 3: these things, when you've been criticizing some of the episodes,
Speaker 3: you say, well, I don't know that I learned anything. Now,
Speaker 3: it's tough for somebody like you to learn anything. You
Speaker 3: were at a front.
Speaker 2: Row seat for this YEP.
Speaker 3: So I ask you about this episode, did you learn
Speaker 3: something that you didn't know about after watching this episode?
Speaker 4: I did, and it's these three wide receivers knew, That's
Speaker 4: what I learned.
Speaker 2: They knew there was some or at least they said
Speaker 2: they should have known.
Speaker 4: There was some darkness there that they knew about, and
Speaker 4: they brought to the attention and it seemingly fell on
Speaker 4: deaf years. And I think it's easy after the fact
Speaker 4: to say, you know, I think Michael Holly is interviewed
Speaker 4: in the middle of this episode about he would leave
Speaker 4: you some breadcrumbs, but you didn't think that at the time.
Speaker 4: You're thinking that in hindsight, Brandon Lloyd, Dion Branch and
Speaker 4: Wes Welker are telling you at the time they were
Speaker 4: concerned something's not right with this guy, and they brought
Speaker 4: it to They couldn't understand. Welker had a remarkable, refreshing,
Speaker 4: honest when he was walking around as a as a rookie.
Speaker 4: He's running around telling everybody he's the best part returner
Speaker 4: on the team, and he's joking around and Bill's laughing,
Speaker 4: and Welker said, I just don't get it, Like what
Speaker 4: what is it about this kid, right, what? Why is
Speaker 4: he get Why are you doing that? Why are you
Speaker 4: letting this kid do this?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 4: That's he's telling you what he thought at the time,
Speaker 4: not in retrospect. And I just thought that those.
Speaker 3: Three Why does he why does he love this guy
Speaker 3: so much? That's the line, that's the line, I thank
Speaker 3: you love this guy so much? Oh my goodness. I
Speaker 3: mean when I heard that, I was going, Now, there's honesty.
Speaker 3: There's real honesty there.
Speaker 1: Do you think any you know, and again Bill's not
Speaker 1: gonna talk about it, but do you think Bill's relationship
Speaker 1: with urban Meyer had a little bit of a reason
Speaker 1: about why he treated Hernandez the way he did.
Speaker 2: He knew what was going on, He knew what was
Speaker 2: going on.
Speaker 1: But I think they felt that, you know, eventually it'll
Speaker 1: sort itself out.
Speaker 2: But man, he was good. He was good. He was
Speaker 2: really good.
Speaker 1: But so was a lot of guys who were rookies,
Speaker 1: and Bill didn't treat them the way. He didn't let
Speaker 1: them get away with what he let Hernandez get away with.
Speaker 4: I don't think he let Gronk get away with what
Speaker 4: he let her Nandas get away. That's what I'm saying
Speaker 4: and I wonder if it is. I do think that's
Speaker 4: a very interesting point you bring up about Urban Meyer.
Speaker 4: I think Urban probably felt like he had an idea
Speaker 4: of what made Hernandez tick. You know, they go through
Speaker 4: the story of how they brought him up to get
Speaker 4: him out of New Britain as a seventeen year old,
Speaker 4: and that was chilling to me because my son's going
Speaker 4: to turn seventeen next week and next month rather and
Speaker 4: just to sort of think about him going down to
Speaker 4: Florida to start off on his college football career, like,
Speaker 4: I couldn't even fathom that right, let alone with the
Speaker 4: family life that he was driving behind. Yeah, so I
Speaker 4: thought that was another really powerful scene.
Speaker 3: You're listening and watching to the Dynasty recap show wrap
Speaker 3: up show, Matt Smith, Paparello and Fred Kersh, there was
Speaker 3: another seed planted in this one, same position, different person.
Speaker 3: What did you think of Gronkowski's comment about getting the
Speaker 3: phone call while he was in New York City on
Speaker 3: the stage on Draft Night.
Speaker 1: I'm really glad you brought that up now, because that's
Speaker 1: exactly where I was going when we talk about how
Speaker 1: Bill treated Aaron and then Gronkowski hasn't been on the
Speaker 1: team for five minutes and he's already in trouble, you know,
Speaker 1: So like, you know the difference there, you know, like
Speaker 1: I thought it was funny, but when you put it
Speaker 1: in contact with Hernandez, you see how Bill let Hernandez
Speaker 1: get away with stuff, where with Gronk's like get him
Speaker 1: off the stage.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I thought that the I wrote down in my
Speaker 4: notebook when that came by. BB's reaction to Gronk getting
Speaker 4: drafted is exactly what we figured it was without you know,
Speaker 4: obviously we hadn't seen it, but the way he reacted
Speaker 4: was exactly the way I bet you building like that
Speaker 4: we were probably right here in this studio, Fred doing
Speaker 4: a draft show and saying that at the time.
Speaker 2: Did Mercy have mercy? Something that was so funny.
Speaker 4: You know, And he did have a little bit of
Speaker 4: a like a ry smile on his face. But again,
Speaker 4: you know, like and I do think that he called
Speaker 4: and they said, Okay, enough is enough, get off the stage.
Speaker 3: So Fred, I want to ask you a couple of
Speaker 3: questions here. These are the tough questions. Of course, there's
Speaker 3: a couple couple points in this where Robert Kraft is
Speaker 3: being interviewed, and I think you saw a real human
Speaker 3: side in Robert Kraft and talking about the Hernandez tragedy
Speaker 3: one of the things that I don't think I've ever
Speaker 3: heard him say when we ask what did you learn?
Speaker 3: I thought it was really fascinating to hear Robert Kraft
Speaker 3: talk about learning something about himself that because of this,
Speaker 3: he didn't realize if he could ever trust anyone again.
Speaker 3: That's how deeply.
Speaker 2: Hoodwinked.
Speaker 3: I think he feels like and he feels like that's
Speaker 3: changed the way he looks at people for the rest
Speaker 3: of his life.
Speaker 1: Yeah, sometimes good things can be a flaw, and I
Speaker 1: think one of the flaws at least up to that
Speaker 1: point with Robert Kraft was trusting people or you know,
Speaker 1: getting enamored with certain types of people.
Speaker 2: Let's face it, Robert Kraft.
Speaker 1: And Aaron Hernane has come from two different worlds. But
Speaker 1: I think Robert wanted kind of that world to like him.
Speaker 1: I think, as much as he said in the documentary,
Speaker 1: Aaron might have looked at me as sort of a
Speaker 1: paternal type of figure. I think Robert wanted to be
Speaker 1: a paternal type of figure. I think he would want
Speaker 1: to say that kid turned around his life, and I
Speaker 1: had a part in that, and I think that overrode
Speaker 1: the stuff that maybe didn't allow him to really see
Speaker 1: the bad part of Aaron Hernandez right up until the day,
Speaker 1: the day after he committed the murder. Robert believed him
Speaker 1: when Aaron told him I had nothing to do with this,
Speaker 1: you know, don't worry about it. And I really do
Speaker 1: believe he was duped. But I do believe that the
Speaker 1: reason why he was was part of a flaw in
Speaker 1: his own character, A good flaw, you know what I
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, like what's wrong with trusting
Speaker 1: people and wanting you know, but sometimes when you're the
Speaker 1: CEO of a company or the owner of a football team,
Speaker 1: you know you have that you have that responsibility to
Speaker 1: the community that you know you have to look at
Speaker 1: things a little bit more jaded. And Robert even said it,
Speaker 1: I failed, We failed, you know, and I apologize for that.
Speaker 2: I thought that was pretty powerful.
Speaker 3: Paul, you've been and I heard you talking about it
Speaker 3: unfiltered earlier this week, where you don't like the fact
Speaker 3: that the three and the four teams were glossed over,
Speaker 3: that that's stung that you didn't think they gave that
Speaker 3: enough time. Are you back on the beam now? Are
Speaker 3: you back on the Dynasty series now? After seeing admittedly
Speaker 3: a very chilling episode and not one that's very fun
Speaker 3: to watch, but they I think they portrayed the interviews,
Speaker 3: as he said, with these people were unbelievable.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I did think that the the Hernandez episode was
Speaker 4: was well put together. What I would say, just to
Speaker 4: sort of clarify my point about three and o four,
Speaker 4: I'm not looking for a recap of all the chapter
Speaker 4: and verse wins. Like I, that's America's game. That's a
Speaker 4: different that's a different venue, different vehicle for that, I
Speaker 4: don't need to have all the all the games highlighted.
Speaker 4: What I thought was a missed opportunity was three in particular,
Speaker 4: was a highly dramatic, intense situation with the release of
Speaker 4: lawyer Malloy on the eve of the season that almost
Speaker 4: destroyed that team. They were completely checked out of the
Speaker 4: opening game of the season and lost thirty one to nothing,
Speaker 4: and the players were not happy with Bill Belichick. I
Speaker 4: thought it would have been a fascinating look to hear
Speaker 4: from Teddy Bruski, to hear from Tom Brady and all
Speaker 4: the other guys about how Tom Jackson's ridiculous assertion that
Speaker 4: they all hate their coach galvanised the team, and you.
Speaker 2: Want to throw a bone to Bill, that was it back?
Speaker 4: That to me was drama, And I think again, you know,
Speaker 4: sort of overlooking Bill's place here, I did something that
Speaker 4: was controversial. I lost the team, but I was able
Speaker 4: to keep them. I got them back. That to me
Speaker 4: is what documentaries are all about, conflict drama. So the
Speaker 4: behind the scenes stories. Everybody knows they won twenty one
Speaker 4: in a row. Everybody knows they went fourteen to two
Speaker 4: and back to back seasons. Again, I don't need to
Speaker 4: have all of those things done over again. I just
Speaker 4: thought it was a missed opportunity to ignore the lawyer
Speaker 4: malloy part in Rodney Harrison's arrival.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, I agree.
Speaker 3: Well, we will be dropping a new Dynasty wrap up
Speaker 3: show podcast every Friday when the Dynasty series drops on Friday,
Speaker 3: and as a tease for listeners and viewers, Paul, we
Speaker 3: will have the opportunity to talk to both the director,
Speaker 3: Matt Hamichick and one of the executive producers, Jeff Benedict
Speaker 3: in a future episode when we wrap up the entire series, Paul,
Speaker 3: you better have those questions loaded and ready to go
Speaker 3: to ask Hamicheck why he didn't delve deeper into the
Speaker 3: three season right.
Speaker 4: He probably isn't going to be happy with me, right,
Speaker 4: I think he looks at it all good.
Speaker 3: Thanks for watching and listening to the Dynasty wrap Up Show.