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Speaker 1: The Volume. Hi everybody, and welcome in to the Thursday

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Speaker 1: Morning podcast. My buddy Jason Timpf. We're going to just

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Speaker 1: talk about the Lakers loss, talk about the Draymond Green suspension,

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Speaker 1: and a host of other things about the NBA. Jason

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Speaker 1: Hoops Tonight podcaster at the Volume does a great job.

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Speaker 1: Some really cool new stuff about the Volume coming up

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Speaker 1: in about seven or eight days too. So I saw

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Speaker 1: the story where Tua quarterback Miami Dolphins acknowledged and admitted

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Speaker 1: that he strongly considered retirement this past year when he

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Speaker 1: dealt with concussions, and that's something Had it happened to me,

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Speaker 1: it happened to a family member, you should consider retirement.

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Speaker 1: You know, we get into these things in sports, these

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Speaker 1: tunnels where everybody's afraid to get canceled and called out,

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Speaker 1: and so people don't acknowledge stuff which is like obvious.

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Speaker 1: And I felt like three or four years ago when

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Speaker 1: I brought up that Kyler Murray was a little too

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Speaker 1: small for my taste or that size mattered at quarterback,

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Speaker 1: I got a lot of pushback on this stuff, and

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Speaker 1: it's like, now, can we all admit it that Bryce

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Speaker 1: Young size is a little concerning out of Alabama, and

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Speaker 1: it should be that Tua is small and Jalen Hurts

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Speaker 1: is not ideal, though I wouldn't classify him as small,

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Speaker 1: he's been dinged up. And that Baker Mayfield, I know

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Speaker 1: for a number one pick. Baker's six feet tall and

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Speaker 1: not a great athlete. Tried to size up a safety

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Speaker 1: after an interception, banged on his shoulder, got hurt. Never

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Speaker 1: the same quarterback. We have to be honest about this stuff.

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Speaker 1: Is that Mahomes and Herbert and Trevor Lawrence and Joe

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Speaker 1: Burrow and Josh Allen, these are bigger than average men.

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Speaker 1: It matters. Go look at the list of Hall of

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Speaker 1: Fame quarterbacks. You're John Elways, your Brady's, your Peyton Manning's,

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Speaker 1: your Big Bends, your Joe Montana's, and Steve Young's. Not

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Speaker 1: a lot of five ten guys there. So and I

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Speaker 1: think it's a I think it's a real concern about

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Speaker 1: Bryce Young. It's why there's a quarterback for Tennessee that

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Speaker 1: may go in the second round, Hendon Hooker. The knock

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Speaker 1: on him is that he had an ACL injury. But

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Speaker 1: he's a big, strong kid who throws a beautiful football.

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Speaker 1: He may be your best bet. He may be your

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Speaker 1: best bet in this draft. I don't know that to

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Speaker 1: be true. But he is big, he's strong, he's got

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Speaker 1: a big arm, and you know, he's older, so he's

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Speaker 1: a more mature kid, right than your average twenty one

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Speaker 1: twenty two year old quarterback coming in. He's he's you know,

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Speaker 1: he's been around a while. So this stuff with Tua

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Speaker 1: is you know, he's got an extension possibility coming up.

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Speaker 1: I just I couldn't give it to him. I just couldn't.

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Speaker 1: You know the way I look at Tua, great kid,

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Speaker 1: great high school and college career, limitations at the pro level,

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Speaker 1: and I said, we're to a point now where the

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Speaker 1: media is not going to give you a pass on concussions.

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Speaker 1: And not only are they not going to give you

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Speaker 1: a pass concussions, the opinions will be swift, they'll be punitive.

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Speaker 1: And I think the Miami Dolphins, if Tua has a concussion,

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Speaker 1: you can't plan for a month minimum. I mean if

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Speaker 1: third week of the year, September concussion, if you plan

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Speaker 1: before Thanksgiving, you're going to get hammered by people. It's

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Speaker 1: the one injury where the media is relentless and no

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Speaker 1: company wants to get banged on by the media for

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Speaker 1: eight to ten weeks. They don't, all right, So it's

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Speaker 1: a bummer like some guys. You know, I've seen it

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Speaker 1: at every position in the NFL. Some guys are built

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Speaker 1: for high school and college. It's not quite built for

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Speaker 1: the NFL. And I don't know if Tua is. I mean,

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Speaker 1: he has admitted before. Now he's admitting he thought about retirement,

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Speaker 1: and he's admitted before he struggles at times to see

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Speaker 1: over the offensive line. It's okay, we can acknowledge this

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Speaker 1: right like it's an adult conversation now. And it's why

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Speaker 1: Sean Payton came on my show and said, be very

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Speaker 1: very careful about not going prototype in the first ten

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Speaker 1: to fifteen picks. Do not get an offensive tackle that's

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Speaker 1: six two or sixty three. You've got to be six

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Speaker 1: five and a half minimum, you know. Don't take a

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Speaker 1: small corner, don't take a smaller quarterback. So I think

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Speaker 1: the Dolphins are in a really tricky situation. Two is

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Speaker 1: a really good guy.

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Speaker 2: They want to protect him. They should.

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Speaker 1: Tua also needs to be protected, like most pro athletes,

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Speaker 1: from themselves, because they're all competitors and all want to play.

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Speaker 1: But that news that Tua considered retirement. How do you

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Speaker 1: we saw that. I think any Laker fans saw it coming,

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Speaker 1: like you gotta win in Memphis, energy was low early

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Speaker 1: and this team isn't you know, they're not Sacramento Young,

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Speaker 1: They're not you know, they're one of those teams like

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Speaker 1: they got to be engaged, like because Lebron over the

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Speaker 1: last two or three years really lets the.

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Speaker 2: Game come to him. He didn't.

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Speaker 1: I mean the first quarters. For Lebron, it's like a

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Speaker 1: heavy lifting. Early he's conserving energy. So when Anthony Davis

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Speaker 1: can't hit shots and Lebron's sort of working his way

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Speaker 1: into a game and it's like, oh we trailed by fifteen, okay,

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Speaker 1: Like that's when the game became very quickly.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you put it perfectly. Every Laker fan saw this coming.

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Speaker 3: This has been it. You know, this Laker season has

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Speaker 3: been such a bizarre journey, Colin, because everyone's gonna focus

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Speaker 3: the attention that they've received. In a way that they

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Speaker 3: previous year and a half. It was more of just

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Speaker 3: like everyone watching the ship crash and burn, you know.

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Speaker 3: But there have been two really interesting stretches this season

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Speaker 3: that I think are very very under discussed, I should say,

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Speaker 3: to get the Lakers where they were, there's a stretch

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Speaker 3: where Lebron James missed extended time and Anthony Davis carried

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Speaker 3: And then there was the stretch where Anthony Davis missed

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Speaker 3: in each of those stretches, Lebron and ad the one

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Speaker 3: that was available put forth incredibly desperate basketball, playing at

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Speaker 3: the absolute top of their games to drag the team

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Speaker 3: trade deadline could happen, or until Lebron James could return, right,

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Speaker 3: And every single time there has been a return, they've

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Speaker 3: It's basically what I'm saying. When when Lebron James came back,

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Speaker 3: that desperation and yeah, this game textbook. They go out

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Speaker 3: as close as it looked. I agree, But did anybody

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Speaker 3: But then after that game they flipped from being a

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Speaker 3: that tonight. And that's a young, scrappy Memphis team that's

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Speaker 3: always played super well at home. They played super physical,

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Speaker 2: Well.

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Speaker 1: And the other thing is they are a better defensive team.

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Speaker 1: Memphis is when jaws not on the floor and the

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Speaker 1: trip cross country. But god, they're fun, really fun. Trey Young,

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Speaker 1: But when you get these Jahn Morant type players, is

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Speaker 1: doesn't mean Wall's not great, but you know, everybody then

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Speaker 1: feels like when the flashy point guards out, hey, I'm

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Speaker 1: well showing the coaches, Okay, when the guy comes back,

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Speaker 1: I want touches. And I think Memphis tonight played a

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Speaker 1: lot of energy, moved it really really well. Everybody just

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Speaker 1: the ball moves better. And it's not a knock on

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Speaker 1: John Rant. He's exhilarating. But I see this sometimes even

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Speaker 1: just I looked at Memphis tonight and I'm like, they're

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Speaker 1: a good team without Jaw. They're a different team, but

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Speaker 3: The way you broke it down is perfect, Like it's

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Speaker 3: a there's a baseline kind of like fundamental list of

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Speaker 3: you have a chance to win no matter what, right, Like,

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Speaker 3: even without a top tier superstar, if you can protect

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Speaker 3: all of the effort and energy parts of the game,

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Speaker 3: like sliding your feace defensively on the perimeter, beating guys

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Speaker 3: offensive glass, crashing the defensive glass. Just by playing super

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Speaker 3: hard and having a couple of baseline pieces that you need,

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Speaker 3: you can win in the NBA, especially since a lot

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Speaker 3: of these NBA players are good. Like we spend a

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Speaker 2: They're gonna He's big.

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Speaker 3: He's big. He's huge. They're gonna slide him into that

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Speaker 1: So my takeaway is go back home, win both games.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I think the way you broke it down is perfect.

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Speaker 3: way towards that. So, Colin, everyone was accusing us of

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Speaker 3: because it's just I don't I don't know what's gotten

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Speaker 3: I thought the decision to suspend him was completely outrageous.

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Speaker 3: Where did you land on that?

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Speaker 1: The reality is if I went up and punched you,

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Speaker 3: Well, there are things that are debatable about this, and

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Speaker 3: they have a really good chance to win this series.

429
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Speaker 3: As bad as Golden State was on the road in Sacramento,

430
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Speaker 3: expect Sacramento to look just this is bad in Golden

431
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Speaker 3: State in my opinion, Well.

432
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Speaker 1: What I worry about without Draymon. He's a great passer

433
00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:10,000
Speaker 1: on the offensive end. He's also a great screen setter,

434
00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:13,399
Speaker 1: and he's now they have plenty of smart players, but

435
00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:15,960
Speaker 1: he does add an intellect. He's just got a real

436
00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:20,720
Speaker 1: good sense. I mean, it's all this sort of intellectual

437
00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:23,240
Speaker 1: bandwidth the Celtics play with. When you've got four guys

438
00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:25,840
Speaker 1: who are on the floor for six years, like the Celtics,

439
00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:29,960
Speaker 1: passing is excellent. Whereas Atlanta's got a new GM, a

440
00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:32,199
Speaker 1: new coach, a new system. I mean, it's just a

441
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Speaker 1: bunch of new parts. And I think, I think when

442
00:23:36,920 --> 00:23:40,239
Speaker 1: I watch the Warriors with Draymon's Steph Clay on the floor, man,

443
00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:41,280
Speaker 1: there are times.

444
00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:43,200
Speaker 2: It's just they can really read each other's minds.

445
00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:46,320
Speaker 1: And that's the kind of capital that load management eats

446
00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:46,760
Speaker 1: away at.

447
00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:47,840
Speaker 2: It's what I mean.

448
00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:50,159
Speaker 1: We've talked about this. It's why the Clippers sometimes in

449
00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:51,359
Speaker 1: a half court set.

450
00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:54,680
Speaker 2: Are painful to watch. There's no play together.

451
00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:59,600
Speaker 1: So if they can get through this game, I agree

452
00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:05,600
Speaker 1: with you. But man, sometimes without Draymond, the passing's not

453
00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:08,720
Speaker 1: as crisp, the ball movements not quite as good. You know,

454
00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:11,480
Speaker 1: Clay is not a great ball handler, and now he's

455
00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:15,200
Speaker 1: not a great defender. So you get two different versions

456
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Speaker 1: of Clay. There's catch and shoot and he's hot at home,

457
00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:21,560
Speaker 1: Clay great, and then there's on the road struggling handling

458
00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:25,560
Speaker 1: the ball, guys blowing by him. You know, you used

459
00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:27,800
Speaker 1: to kind of know with Clay that if he wasn't on,

460
00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:30,679
Speaker 1: you got a great defender. Now and he's not on,

461
00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:34,600
Speaker 1: you get him sometimes a suboptimal ball handler and defender.

462
00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:39,440
Speaker 1: So his game doesn't necessarily you'd think, because he's a

463
00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:42,879
Speaker 1: catch and shoot guy, his game would age well.

464
00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:44,760
Speaker 2: But he's got to play better.

465
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Speaker 1: He and Jordan Poole have got to help Steph.

466
00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:50,480
Speaker 2: Jordan Poole's been awful in the series. Awful.

467
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Speaker 3: I agree, you're the Draymond thing is certainly a threat.

468
00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:58,199
Speaker 3: And this is where I fundamentally disagree with the suspension, Like,

469
00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:00,800
Speaker 3: make the Kings go earn the damn series, make them

470
00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:02,960
Speaker 3: go beat Golden State in Golden State, make them beat

471
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Speaker 3: them with Draymond, like especially on it, like especially I've

472
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Speaker 3: been getting on my soapbox again. I didn't like that

473
00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:11,080
Speaker 3: that suspension at all, Like because now if the Kings

474
00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:13,680
Speaker 3: win the series, it's gonna feel a little cheap, but

475
00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:14,480
Speaker 3: it is.

476
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Speaker 1: You know, Jason, I I've always felt I will always

477
00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:21,240
Speaker 1: give an athlete a pass in the moment. Tom Brady

478
00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:24,760
Speaker 1: yelling at a coach, Peyton Manning barking, I'll always give

479
00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:27,760
Speaker 1: an athlete they can leave their body. It's an out

480
00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:30,919
Speaker 1: of body experience. Emotionally, I mean, your testosterone's going, you've

481
00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:33,600
Speaker 1: been putting. So the Draymond kick, it's like, I get it.

482
00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:35,800
Speaker 1: That's his style. He's the bouncer at the night club.

483
00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:39,440
Speaker 1: He's a tough guy. It's the Okay, I've been ejected.

484
00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:43,280
Speaker 1: Now I'm gonna go and taunt the crowd. Come on,

485
00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:46,040
Speaker 1: you're a mid thirty year old player, like like, I

486
00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:48,000
Speaker 1: have a right to be mad if I'm on the

487
00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:50,480
Speaker 1: air and somebody doesn't roll the tape and I'm barking,

488
00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:53,399
Speaker 1: But three minutes later, I've got to go, Okay, we

489
00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:55,320
Speaker 1: have a show to do. Take a deep breath, get

490
00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:58,280
Speaker 1: over yourself. Let's do the show. So I that part,

491
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Speaker 1: I'll defend Draymond in the moment one guy grabs your foot,

492
00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:03,040
Speaker 1: you stomp him back. I'll defend him forever on that.

493
00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:06,760
Speaker 1: But you got to know better as a thirty four

494
00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:08,840
Speaker 1: to thirty five year old guy on the road to

495
00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:11,119
Speaker 1: get that crowd riled up, Like, that's just not the play.

496
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Speaker 3: I can't argue with anything you're saying, Colin, So I'm

497
00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:18,040
Speaker 3: gonna change. I'm gonna change my take as a basketball fan.

498
00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:20,320
Speaker 3: I'm annoyed that Draymond's not playing in Game three. How

499
00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:24,840
Speaker 3: about that, right, We'll just go with that. So that's

500
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Speaker 3: I do. I do still think. I think that if

501
00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:30,520
Speaker 3: the Warriors can survive the Draymond suspension in Game three,

502
00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:31,800
Speaker 3: I think they still have a very good chance to

503
00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:35,280
Speaker 3: win the series. So Clippers versus Suns, this is the

504
00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:38,800
Speaker 3: series that I have been most wrong about in my

505
00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:42,959
Speaker 3: pre playoffs previews. I expected the Clippers to get swept.

506
00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:45,399
Speaker 3: They very much did not, as they went into Phoenix

507
00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:48,600
Speaker 3: and stole game one. You know what's interesting about this series, Colin.

508
00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:53,040
Speaker 3: The numbers coming out of of the like kind of

509
00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:56,280
Speaker 3: shot profile stuff does not look good for Phoenix. This

510
00:26:56,400 --> 00:27:01,040
Speaker 3: is wild. So the Suns have attempted to seventeen shots

511
00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:05,320
Speaker 3: or excuse me, nineteen shots in the restricted area in this series,

512
00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:10,720
Speaker 3: and the Clippers have attempted thirty seven, so like almost

513
00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:14,359
Speaker 3: double and then in wide open threes, which by NBA

514
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:16,800
Speaker 3: dot Com is factored in as defender at least six

515
00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:20,280
Speaker 3: foot six feet away. The Clippers have also generated about

516
00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:24,159
Speaker 3: twice as many as the Suns. The reasons why this,

517
00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:26,640
Speaker 3: the reason why the Suns won Game two is what's

518
00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:28,520
Speaker 3: the other shot that's available. So, if you're not scoring

519
00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:31,639
Speaker 3: at the rim and you're not making these kickout threes

520
00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:35,200
Speaker 3: to guys that are wide open, it's contested pull up

521
00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:37,760
Speaker 3: off the dribble long jump shots in the mid range.

522
00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:38,040
Speaker 1: Right.

523
00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:42,000
Speaker 3: What's crazy is the Suns shot thirty five percent in

524
00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:44,520
Speaker 3: effective field goal percentage on pull up jump shots in

525
00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:49,120
Speaker 3: game one and they lost. They shot sixty one percent

526
00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:52,920
Speaker 3: effective field goal percentage on pull up jump shots off

527
00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:55,600
Speaker 3: the dribble in Game two and they won. And so

528
00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:58,120
Speaker 3: everything for me for the Suns comes down to can

529
00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:02,600
Speaker 3: they continue to knock down these tough, contested pull up

530
00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:05,400
Speaker 3: jump shots. And I'm just not. I believe they'll make

531
00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:08,920
Speaker 3: enough to beat the Clippers, But I after two games,

532
00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:11,720
Speaker 3: feel less confident than ever that the Sons can get

533
00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:14,200
Speaker 3: out of the conference because they're just not generating enough

534
00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:15,080
Speaker 3: easy shots.

535
00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:19,600
Speaker 1: Well, I feel these are opposite teams. The Clippers have

536
00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:23,119
Speaker 1: depth that are missing a star. The Sons have stars

537
00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:27,920
Speaker 1: and are missing depth. And when they made the move

538
00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:30,760
Speaker 1: to get KD, you had to give up Michale Bridges.

539
00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:35,520
Speaker 1: That was the gem, but they gave up two other players,

540
00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:38,320
Speaker 1: and one of those players had twenty eight the other

541
00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:42,320
Speaker 1: night for Brooklyn against Philadelphia. And when I watch the Suns,

542
00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:45,640
Speaker 1: I feel, I said this on TV today, they're a

543
00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:50,479
Speaker 1: guy shy. If I just said Norman Powell's on the Suns,

544
00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:54,480
Speaker 1: I'm like, Okay, they're a finals team. I almost think

545
00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:57,880
Speaker 1: they're tentative defensively because they know they can't get into

546
00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:01,320
Speaker 1: foul trouble. Chris Paul's backup is her and he may

547
00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:04,000
Speaker 1: not play in Game three. Booker doesn't really have a backup.

548
00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:07,640
Speaker 1: They don't really have backups for their stars, and it

549
00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:12,840
Speaker 1: almost makes them a little tentative defensively, Whereas the Clippers

550
00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:17,120
Speaker 1: have depth, play really hard defensively. Westbrook gets in foul trouble,

551
00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:20,160
Speaker 1: you can throw in man Norman Powell, they go. They've

552
00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:22,640
Speaker 1: got depth, So I think it makes them play a

553
00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:26,600
Speaker 1: little more tentative defensively. Monty Williams knows that we can't

554
00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:27,480
Speaker 1: go to the bench early.

555
00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:28,440
Speaker 2: We just can't.

556
00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:31,720
Speaker 1: And the other thing is Chris Paul's the one guy

557
00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:34,920
Speaker 1: that needs a break and until his backup comes in

558
00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:39,560
Speaker 1: who's been out. I know he may play in Game three,

559
00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:42,120
Speaker 1: but I think that's a big thing. Like Chris at

560
00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:45,120
Speaker 1: this point in his career needs to spell. And so

561
00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:48,520
Speaker 1: when I've been watching Chris Paul in the second half,

562
00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:53,760
Speaker 1: his jumpers are short. His just stuff that went in

563
00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:57,640
Speaker 1: three years ago is just not there, and it's I

564
00:29:57,640 --> 00:29:59,320
Speaker 1: mean it was the other night he missed a couple

565
00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:02,240
Speaker 1: seventy eight. I'm like, that was a seventy percent shot

566
00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:05,680
Speaker 1: three years ago, Like just Chris didn't miss those. So

567
00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:08,719
Speaker 1: I feel like I feel like to get Kevin Durant,

568
00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:10,160
Speaker 1: they had to give away a bunch of picks and

569
00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:13,840
Speaker 1: three dudes. If they give away two, they could be

570
00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:16,840
Speaker 1: more aggressive on the defensive end. You could rest guys.

571
00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:19,680
Speaker 1: I mean, they're gonna have to play Durant and Booker,

572
00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:22,520
Speaker 1: They're gonna have to play them forty minutes. That's who

573
00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:24,480
Speaker 1: they are now, that's who they are.

574
00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:29,040
Speaker 3: Yeah. I said this before the playoffs, and I still

575
00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:31,000
Speaker 3: feel very strongly about this, Like I have no idea

576
00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:33,719
Speaker 3: what's gonna happen with this Sun's team, but I do

577
00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:36,800
Speaker 3: know what's gonna happen this summer, they're gonna sign somebody

578
00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:38,920
Speaker 3: and it's gonna be like, hey, listen, do you want

579
00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:42,240
Speaker 3: to be a start the starting forward? Like guaranteed starting

580
00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:46,040
Speaker 3: spot alongside Kevin Durant, Devin Booker, Chris Paul Deandraton. They're

581
00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:48,800
Speaker 3: gonna be able to pitch that position like that using

582
00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:51,320
Speaker 3: the mid level exception or whatever contract they decide to offer,

583
00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:56,280
Speaker 3: and they are going to get some massively underpaid forward

584
00:30:56,840 --> 00:30:59,160
Speaker 3: that can play on both ends of the floor that

585
00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:01,440
Speaker 3: wants to just win a championship next to the two

586
00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:03,280
Speaker 3: of them. They're gonna get two or three more veteran

587
00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:05,880
Speaker 3: minimum contracts that kind of follow a similar, similar mold,

588
00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:07,960
Speaker 3: and they're gonna be awesome next year. I feel very

589
00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:10,880
Speaker 3: strongly about that this team is kind of playing with

590
00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:13,360
Speaker 3: house money a little bit because I think that I

591
00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:16,320
Speaker 3: think the expectations are a little lower on them because

592
00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:20,160
Speaker 3: of that. The minutes thing is complicated because I'm less

593
00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:25,600
Speaker 3: concerned about it on the offensive end, because workload matters,

594
00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:30,440
Speaker 3: like splitting a heavy duty shot creation workload between just

595
00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:33,680
Speaker 3: Kyrie and Lebron that can get a little fatiguing, and

596
00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:36,440
Speaker 3: you need an other worldly athlete like Lebron to survive that.

597
00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:38,160
Speaker 3: But like all of a sudden, you throw a third

598
00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:40,959
Speaker 3: guy in there, and it's like they're hand they're splitting

599
00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:43,680
Speaker 3: those duties three ways, it becomes a little more suitable.

600
00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:46,880
Speaker 3: The defensive end is where is where you hit the

601
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:49,480
Speaker 3: nail on the head. You can't win a title in

602
00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:53,320
Speaker 3: the NBA without playing elite defense. You can't play elite

603
00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:57,560
Speaker 3: defense without committing to devote physical resources to it. And

604
00:31:57,600 --> 00:32:00,240
Speaker 3: when you devote physical resources to it, to the two

605
00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:03,360
Speaker 3: forty four minutes a night, one of two things is

606
00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:06,160
Speaker 3: going to happen. They're either going to not devote the

607
00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:09,040
Speaker 3: necessary physical resources to it and coast and not reach

608
00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:11,520
Speaker 3: the defensive ceiling they need to reach, or they're going

609
00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:14,280
Speaker 3: to pour in the necessary effort for forty four minutes

610
00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:16,640
Speaker 3: to get stops and they're gonna suffer on the offense

611
00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:18,920
Speaker 3: and end when they're fatigued. So like, that's where it

612
00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:21,920
Speaker 3: gets difficult, and I don't really have a good answer

613
00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:24,800
Speaker 3: for them. Kevin Durant famously said this after they lost

614
00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:27,280
Speaker 3: to the to the Bucks in a crazy Game seven,

615
00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:29,400
Speaker 3: that well, where he took his toe is on the line.

616
00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:31,320
Speaker 3: I don't know if you remember the turnar on Tipper

617
00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:34,440
Speaker 3: he said that. He said this after the series. He goes,

618
00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:37,080
Speaker 3: everyone thinks, if I was won inch further back, we

619
00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:38,960
Speaker 3: would have won the championship. He's like, that was the

620
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:43,120
Speaker 3: second round. He's like, He's like we had He's like

621
00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:46,000
Speaker 3: James Harden was playing out a bad hamstring. Kyrie was

622
00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:49,520
Speaker 3: completely unavailable. I had to create every single shot. He's like,

623
00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:51,840
Speaker 3: we were winning the title that year. Like it's just

624
00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:54,200
Speaker 3: too much to ask a guy to do that that

625
00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:56,440
Speaker 3: much without any depth behind him.

626
00:32:57,680 --> 00:33:01,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think if they get pain the backup to

627
00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:05,000
Speaker 1: Chris Paul. I think if they get him back, I

628
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:07,200
Speaker 1: think that helps, you know, like there's like, I don't

629
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:09,360
Speaker 1: know what he plays eighteen minutes, sixteen minutes.

630
00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:10,400
Speaker 2: That helps a little bit.

631
00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:12,680
Speaker 1: But I to your point, they'll get a couple of

632
00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:14,760
Speaker 1: mid level exemptions, and they'll get a couple of veterans

633
00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:16,600
Speaker 1: that want to win, you know, like the Heat did

634
00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:18,520
Speaker 1: when they went and grabbed like Ray Allen. You'll get

635
00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:20,240
Speaker 1: a guy like that that's like, man, I just want

636
00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:23,120
Speaker 1: a title. When David West came to the Warriors, you

637
00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:24,920
Speaker 1: know there's a guy out there that like can give

638
00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:29,320
Speaker 1: you like twelve really good minutes in the postseason. Jay

639
00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:31,680
Speaker 1: Crowder's bounced around and become kind of like that guy

640
00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:34,200
Speaker 1: at the end of his career. So and they Jay

641
00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:37,120
Speaker 1: Crowder got moved in that Brooklyn deal. So it's like, so,

642
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Speaker 1: you know Michale Bridges, yes, and then you start moving

643
00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:41,640
Speaker 1: a couple other pieces and you look up and it's like, oh,

644
00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:44,760
Speaker 1: Cam Johnson dropped almost thirty against Holly, and you're like,

645
00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:50,640
Speaker 1: they need that so bad. But you know, interestingly, here's

646
00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:54,760
Speaker 1: Denver playing tonight and nobody's watching and we're all just like, ah, God.

647
00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:57,800
Speaker 1: And it's funny because the NBA knows by putting him

648
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Speaker 1: on late at night, they're not going to get East

649
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Speaker 1: Coast viewers. And I said, Denver reminds me of the

650
00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:04,680
Speaker 1: Milwaukee team before they want a title an NBA. They

651
00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:09,240
Speaker 1: got on the noon NBA TV game during the bubble.

652
00:34:09,640 --> 00:34:12,560
Speaker 1: It's like the league's like, where can we hide them?

653
00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:14,439
Speaker 1: And I feel like the NBA is doing the same

654
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Speaker 1: with Denver.

655
00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:16,440
Speaker 2: They like, yeah, we know they're good.

656
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Speaker 1: Let's just wait until they play like the Warriors or

657
00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:22,719
Speaker 1: Sun so we can get any audience. But I think

658
00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:25,160
Speaker 1: they're like that Milwaukee team. They're kind of sitting in

659
00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:27,840
Speaker 1: the weeds a little bit. Nobody believes in them a

660
00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:32,080
Speaker 1: lot of depth. They're winning in routes. You know, Denver

661
00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:33,840
Speaker 1: may just come out of this thing, after all.

662
00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:37,400
Speaker 3: They might. I mean, I will say in our defense,

663
00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:41,279
Speaker 3: these these top seeds, the one in two versus seven

664
00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:43,319
Speaker 3: and eight matchups, with exception of the Lakers Grizzlies have

665
00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:46,440
Speaker 3: been so boring, and that feely Net series has been

666
00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:48,520
Speaker 3: really boring. That said, I think we'll all be rewarded

667
00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:52,080
Speaker 3: in the second round because Denver versus Phoenix. You know,

668
00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:55,240
Speaker 3: whoever comes out of those two Lakers Warriors series, the

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00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:57,480
Speaker 3: Sixers versus Celtics is going to be an all timer.

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00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:00,200
Speaker 3: I think whoever comes out of this great Yeah, whoever

671
00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:01,720
Speaker 3: comes out of this next series will be an interesting

672
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:03,799
Speaker 3: challenge for for Milwaukee.

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Speaker 2: I do want it.

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00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:06,120
Speaker 3: Before we get out of here, I wanted to I

675
00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:08,440
Speaker 3: wanted to point out two things that I find very interesting,

676
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:10,880
Speaker 3: one of which Colin I think you might find interesting.

677
00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:16,880
Speaker 3: Kevin Kawhi Leonard has soundly outplayed KD through two games.

678
00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:21,840
Speaker 3: Now it's not over. And Kevin Durant very well. I

679
00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:24,480
Speaker 3: expect Kevin Durant to play better, and I expect the

680
00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:26,719
Speaker 3: Suns to win this series. But I think it's been

681
00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:30,480
Speaker 3: a really interesting indicator of the way playoff basketball changes

682
00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:33,200
Speaker 3: and one of the biggest things that I've noticed over

683
00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:34,839
Speaker 3: the last couple of years. And I wonder if you've

684
00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:39,359
Speaker 3: noticed the same thing. Strength seems to matter so much

685
00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:43,319
Speaker 3: on this stage for two reasons. It's what allows you

686
00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:48,719
Speaker 3: to play through uncalled fouls which are occurring on every

687
00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:52,680
Speaker 3: single possession in the NBA playoffs, like hand checking, grabbing, holding, chucking,

688
00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:55,680
Speaker 3: all that stuff. Playing through that require strength, and then

689
00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:59,520
Speaker 3: it allows you to inflict uncalled offensive fouls, you know,

690
00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:02,040
Speaker 3: by using your off arm and bumping people off with

691
00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:05,120
Speaker 3: your shoulder and things along those lines. Kawhi Leonard is

692
00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:08,960
Speaker 3: getting wherever he wants on the floor in this series,

693
00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:12,200
Speaker 3: and it's because he's throwing these dudes around like rag

694
00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:16,000
Speaker 3: dolls and kd He's incredibly skilled and he's going to

695
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:18,040
Speaker 3: make shots. He made shots in Game two. I expect

696
00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:19,839
Speaker 3: him to make shots the rest of the series. I

697
00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:23,480
Speaker 3: think Kadi's a better player than Kawhi, but it's so

698
00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:26,000
Speaker 3: interesting to me that Kawhi has been more impactful so

699
00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:28,160
Speaker 3: far through two games, and I think that strength plays

700
00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:28,960
Speaker 3: a huge role in it.

701
00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:33,560
Speaker 1: Kawhi is a big time old school player. I said

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00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:35,960
Speaker 1: this years ago, and I believe it, and I haven't

703
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:38,000
Speaker 1: heard anybody else say it, so I'll give myself credit.

704
00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:42,640
Speaker 1: I said, if you'd never seen, never seen Michael Jordan play,

705
00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:45,759
Speaker 1: people say, well, it was Kobe Bryant, and I'd be like, no,

706
00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:51,680
Speaker 1: it's not Kobe plus Kawhi Leonard is Michael Jordan because

707
00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:55,879
Speaker 1: Kobe wasn't as strong as Michael. Like if you look

708
00:36:55,920 --> 00:37:00,520
Speaker 1: at the size of Lebron's hands and Kawhi's hands, Kobe

709
00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:04,759
Speaker 1: doesn't have that. Kawhi is country strong, you know, Mike,

710
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:07,919
Speaker 1: Mike North Carolina strong, you know, like where you work

711
00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:11,840
Speaker 1: on your own car right, Like that's different, Like Kobe

712
00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:16,680
Speaker 1: grows up in Italy, it's Kawhi Leonard. If you gave

713
00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:21,240
Speaker 1: Kobe Kawhi Leonard's hand size and strength, that's Michael Jordan.

714
00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:23,719
Speaker 1: That's what Michael always had. Now, Kobe always had better

715
00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:27,399
Speaker 1: range than Michael and at a better ball handler, I think,

716
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:31,200
Speaker 1: and I think he Kobe could have been a great passer,

717
00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:34,520
Speaker 1: but he shot. But Kobe never had Michael's raw strength

718
00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:36,640
Speaker 1: or his hand size to be able to palm the

719
00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:41,640
Speaker 1: ball in the air. And I think if you gave

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Speaker 1: if you gave Kawhi a little better ball handling skills

721
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:49,720
Speaker 1: and a little better range on his jumper, a little quicker,

722
00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:54,560
Speaker 1: slightly twitchier, he's Kobe. He's not as twitchy as Kobe

723
00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:56,600
Speaker 1: without the range, and Kobe's not as strong with the

724
00:37:56,640 --> 00:38:00,400
Speaker 1: hand size as Kawhi. But Kawhi is I mean, I

725
00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:03,719
Speaker 1: would have loved Kawhi is the kind of guy that

726
00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:08,280
Speaker 1: if Kawhi would have guarded Michael Jordan in his prime,

727
00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:12,640
Speaker 1: Michael would have been like, yeah, that's a dog. Because Michael,

728
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:15,560
Speaker 1: you know, Kawhi is like a little bit like Ron

729
00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:20,600
Speaker 1: Harper where because Ron on the Bulls became kind of

730
00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:23,600
Speaker 1: a third fourth score. Ron was a great scorer in

731
00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:27,359
Speaker 1: Cleveland with the Clippers. Ron didn't have sort of that

732
00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:31,040
Speaker 1: that quite the hand size of Kawhi. But Michael always

733
00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:34,319
Speaker 1: respected Ron Harper because he knew he basically came. He

734
00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:36,680
Speaker 1: gave up his offense to be Michael's partner, right and

735
00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:41,040
Speaker 1: be a defensive guy. I said a few years ago,

736
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Speaker 1: and I and I believed it. Then Kawhi sort of disappeared.

737
00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:46,720
Speaker 1: Kawhi four years ago in the NBA was the best

738
00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:49,080
Speaker 1: get a bucket, get a stop guy in the league.

739
00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:51,879
Speaker 1: If you just said I just need I don't need

740
00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:54,879
Speaker 1: a three, I need a bucket. About four years ago,

741
00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:56,359
Speaker 1: I thought he was as good as the league had

742
00:38:56,640 --> 00:38:57,640
Speaker 1: I need a stop.

743
00:38:58,239 --> 00:39:01,240
Speaker 2: I definitely felt he was the best in the league.

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00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:05,680
Speaker 1: So the only reason we've all kind of sold some

745
00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:07,879
Speaker 1: stock on Kawhi is is not available, it's not because

746
00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:09,000
Speaker 1: his game's not great.

747
00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:12,560
Speaker 3: Well, the same thing with Anthony Davis, Like we conflate

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00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:14,600
Speaker 3: these two issues, but like you don't judge a player

749
00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:17,239
Speaker 3: by a ceiling, you judge him by his total contributions

750
00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:20,080
Speaker 3: to your team throughout the entire NBA calendar, and that's

751
00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:22,600
Speaker 3: where the issue has been. Defensively, I think he's been

752
00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:24,400
Speaker 3: every bit as good as he's ever been in this series.

753
00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:27,600
Speaker 3: You can tell he's taken it personally. I wanted to

754
00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:28,880
Speaker 3: the last guy. I want to shout out and then

755
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:31,239
Speaker 3: we can get out of here, and I don't want

756
00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:33,359
Speaker 3: to go through the whole Like fit is part of it,

757
00:39:33,719 --> 00:39:35,799
Speaker 3: There's no doubt that fit is part of it. The

758
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:38,560
Speaker 3: Lakers fit was clunky. That goes without saying. The Clippers

759
00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:42,319
Speaker 3: fit is much more natural, But Russell Westbrook's commitment to

760
00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:45,840
Speaker 3: the effort and energy plays in this game, his point

761
00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:48,680
Speaker 3: of attack defense on both Kevin Durant and Devin Booker,

762
00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:51,520
Speaker 3: and what he's been doing on the glass. Here's the thing,

763
00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:55,120
Speaker 3: it's it's for no reason other than he's finally devoting

764
00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:57,959
Speaker 3: his entire effort and focus to it, which good for him.

765
00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:01,399
Speaker 3: But that's why it's finally working out. That said, this

766
00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:04,560
Speaker 3: is what all Laker fans were screaming for when he

767
00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:06,600
Speaker 3: was in LA. If he could have just done this,

768
00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:09,480
Speaker 3: if he could have devoted his resources to the defensive

769
00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:12,000
Speaker 3: end of the floor trying to erase a player from

770
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:14,200
Speaker 3: the game with this point of attack defense, push the

771
00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:16,839
Speaker 3: pace and just make plays for his teammates and rain

772
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:19,760
Speaker 3: in his decision making, he could be this massive positive

773
00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:22,280
Speaker 3: player for the Lakers, and it just never happened because

774
00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:25,120
Speaker 3: he didn't want to devote his resources towards those things.

775
00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:27,640
Speaker 3: That said, as a basketball fan, it has been so

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00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:30,600
Speaker 3: much fun watching him in this series and watching him

777
00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:32,279
Speaker 3: impact winning. I don't know if he saw that play

778
00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:34,840
Speaker 3: where he tried to deflect the post entry pass to

779
00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:37,000
Speaker 3: KD and he kind of got out of position, yes,

780
00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:39,240
Speaker 3: and Kdi took like two dribbles to the foul line,

781
00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:41,799
Speaker 3: and Rush just went flying in off one leg. It

782
00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:46,160
Speaker 3: just like like a humiliating defensive play from Russell Westbrook,

783
00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:49,000
Speaker 3: Like that's he's always been capable of that. He could

784
00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:51,520
Speaker 3: have been the best defensive guard in the history of

785
00:40:51,520 --> 00:40:54,560
Speaker 3: the league if he wanted to, just because he's that

786
00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:58,319
Speaker 3: type of athlete. It just it's partially impressive to watch

787
00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:00,440
Speaker 3: him in the series and partially disappoint that it took

788
00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:03,000
Speaker 3: so long to see it. But shout out to Russell Westbrook.

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Speaker 1: Well, when he first came to the Lakers, and I

790
00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:09,120
Speaker 1: remember this during the summer, I said, I don't love

791
00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:12,200
Speaker 1: him as a player, but with Lebron's age and the

792
00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:15,359
Speaker 1: brittleness of ad, he'll give you twenty nine minutes of

793
00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:18,480
Speaker 1: terror a night. He'll just give you a production. He

794
00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:22,520
Speaker 1: like plays Downhill like and for some reason, he was

795
00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:27,200
Speaker 1: just an awful defensive player for the Lakers. Totally disengaged

796
00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:30,640
Speaker 1: with Darvin Ham. It's almost like Darvin pissed him off,

797
00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:32,640
Speaker 1: asked him to play a certain role, and he's like,

798
00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:35,920
Speaker 1: I'm out. And then ty Lou, who was you know,

799
00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:40,040
Speaker 1: tis confrontationals, like, Bro, you gotta play defense here, And

800
00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:42,960
Speaker 1: then he just said, Okay, I'm gonna play defense because

801
00:41:43,239 --> 00:41:47,040
Speaker 1: for the Lakers. I mean, he just he just didn't

802
00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:49,080
Speaker 1: want to play defense. And you're like, he's such a

803
00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:51,680
Speaker 1: great athlete. But I watched him the end of night.

804
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:56,080
Speaker 1: He's completely disruptive. He's like the guy in the YMCA

805
00:41:56,160 --> 00:41:58,600
Speaker 1: you don't want guarding you. It's like, dude, you're sweating

806
00:41:58,640 --> 00:42:01,239
Speaker 1: all over me. He's in your grill. You're just like,

807
00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:06,200
Speaker 1: he's just unconventional and he's just going a thousand miles

808
00:42:06,239 --> 00:42:10,560
Speaker 1: an hour and it's oh those guys, I mean, oh god,

809
00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:13,760
Speaker 1: it's just relentless. And Kd's just you know, Patrick Beverly

810
00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:16,440
Speaker 1: did that before a couple of years ago. Patrick Beverley

811
00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:20,320
Speaker 1: got into Remember when Kad was a Warrior and Patrick

812
00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:23,480
Speaker 1: Beverley the first couple of games, just like and Katy's.

813
00:42:23,120 --> 00:42:25,040
Speaker 2: Like, you know who I am? You know who I am.

814
00:42:25,080 --> 00:42:26,640
Speaker 1: Then he came out and average forty one for the

815
00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:29,080
Speaker 1: rest of the series. But you can get in KD

816
00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:31,200
Speaker 1: for a game or two and you can get him

817
00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:34,160
Speaker 1: out of his rhythm. He'll come back and be fine.

818
00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:36,799
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, for the record, everything I said, Kawi has

819
00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:38,680
Speaker 3: been great, Residen great. Kad is the best player in

820
00:42:38,719 --> 00:42:40,279
Speaker 3: the series. He's going to close the deal.

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