1 00:00:10,520 --> 00:00:12,680 Speaker 1: From Fuduro Media. It's Latino USA. 2 00:00:12,880 --> 00:00:16,119 Speaker 2: I'm Maria Nohosa today for our How I Made It 3 00:00:16,239 --> 00:00:21,960 Speaker 2: series Fluksus Photo a group of Ecuadorian photojournalists telling their 4 00:00:22,000 --> 00:00:31,400 Speaker 2: own stories. In October twenty nineteen, Ecuador went through a violent, 5 00:00:31,560 --> 00:00:36,400 Speaker 2: large scale uprising. Demonstrations paralyzed the country for twelve days 6 00:00:36,440 --> 00:00:42,280 Speaker 2: straight after former President Lenin Moreno cut decades old fuel 7 00:00:42,360 --> 00:00:48,239 Speaker 2: subsidies and implemented tax and labor reforms. Indigenous communities were 8 00:00:48,280 --> 00:00:53,080 Speaker 2: hit especially hard by the changes. Tens of thousands marched 9 00:00:53,120 --> 00:00:57,480 Speaker 2: from the Andes Mountains into Ecuador's capital city, Quito to 10 00:00:57,600 --> 00:01:04,000 Speaker 2: protest the Moreno administration. The tamos aki parat defender los 11 00:01:04,200 --> 00:01:13,400 Speaker 2: retios klikitimamente temos como peblos indijnaz e equadors protesters declared 12 00:01:13,440 --> 00:01:16,760 Speaker 2: they were defending their rights as indigenous people from Ecuador. 13 00:01:17,319 --> 00:01:21,640 Speaker 2: For decades, indigenous communities have demanded the government's support to 14 00:01:21,720 --> 00:01:26,280 Speaker 2: protect their land from exploitation by domestic oil companies and 15 00:01:26,760 --> 00:01:31,080 Speaker 2: to be included in national political dialogues. During the twenty 16 00:01:31,160 --> 00:01:35,600 Speaker 2: nineteen demonstrations, Guito's streets were covered in debris and smoke, 17 00:01:36,200 --> 00:01:40,960 Speaker 2: government buildings burned, police through molotov cocktails and tear gasset 18 00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:46,160 Speaker 2: protesters who lobbed them right back. Amid the turmoil, one 19 00:01:46,240 --> 00:01:50,960 Speaker 2: photograph from the ground became instantly iconic. In it, a 20 00:01:51,000 --> 00:01:54,920 Speaker 2: woman from the Andes, dressed in a traditional garment and 21 00:01:54,960 --> 00:01:58,120 Speaker 2: a face mask, stands in the middle of a street 22 00:01:58,520 --> 00:02:02,080 Speaker 2: with her back towards a cloud of smoke. People stand 23 00:02:02,120 --> 00:02:11,240 Speaker 2: behind her wearing face masks to prevent breathing in the gases. 24 00:02:13,120 --> 00:02:15,600 Speaker 2: That photo was taken by a member of a collective 25 00:02:15,600 --> 00:02:21,679 Speaker 2: of Ecuadorian photojournalists called Fluksus Photo. Founded in twenty fifteen. 26 00:02:22,080 --> 00:02:26,079 Speaker 2: The collective aims to capture ecuadorians struggles to have their 27 00:02:26,160 --> 00:02:32,600 Speaker 2: human rights guaranteed and respected. During the demonstrations, Fluksu's photographers 28 00:02:32,880 --> 00:02:36,079 Speaker 2: were right in the middle of the action, capturing critical 29 00:02:36,120 --> 00:02:40,600 Speaker 2: moments to show indigenous people's side of history. The photo 30 00:02:40,639 --> 00:02:45,600 Speaker 2: they took caused commotion all over Ecuador. Indigenous communities today 31 00:02:46,080 --> 00:02:49,480 Speaker 2: still use the image as an insignia, and some young 32 00:02:49,520 --> 00:02:54,840 Speaker 2: people even got it tattooed on their bodies. In this 33 00:02:54,960 --> 00:02:57,839 Speaker 2: segment of our How I Made It series, we'll hear 34 00:02:57,880 --> 00:03:00,880 Speaker 2: from the founder of the Fluksus Photo collect active Johis 35 00:03:00,919 --> 00:03:05,720 Speaker 2: al Arkon and Fluxus photographer and Amara Bitron. But first 36 00:03:06,040 --> 00:03:10,040 Speaker 2: we'll hear from Tabids, the Fluxus photographer who took that 37 00:03:10,280 --> 00:03:12,600 Speaker 2: iConnect twenty nineteen protest photo. 38 00:03:21,840 --> 00:03:25,720 Speaker 3: For days, I had noticed that the ones making all 39 00:03:25,760 --> 00:03:29,640 Speaker 3: of the demonstrations possible work woman. They were the ones 40 00:03:29,960 --> 00:03:35,600 Speaker 3: who had organized the communal march into Quito. They were 41 00:03:35,760 --> 00:03:39,880 Speaker 3: even preparing food and facing water for the other woman 42 00:03:40,080 --> 00:03:48,920 Speaker 3: and men who stood on the front LINESITOI so I 43 00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:52,800 Speaker 3: wanted to take a picture that reflected that. I wanted 44 00:03:53,040 --> 00:03:57,760 Speaker 3: to show woman behind the trenches. But while trying I 45 00:03:57,880 --> 00:04:03,680 Speaker 3: go to expose a Rubert ballet hit me on the leg. 46 00:04:06,800 --> 00:04:11,119 Speaker 3: So much violence I was retired from saying in everything 47 00:04:11,240 --> 00:04:15,480 Speaker 3: that was going down, I started to retreat. That's when 48 00:04:15,640 --> 00:04:19,200 Speaker 3: I saw an adenna woman in the middle of a. 49 00:04:19,200 --> 00:04:23,919 Speaker 4: Streets Communidades. 50 00:04:25,080 --> 00:04:29,400 Speaker 5: Transposes yabasta it fuera lending Moreno. 51 00:04:31,040 --> 00:04:35,680 Speaker 3: When the Adinas joined the protest, it was in Onnison. 52 00:04:35,920 --> 00:04:40,320 Speaker 3: They all concurred that it was time to act, time 53 00:04:40,400 --> 00:04:44,160 Speaker 3: to fight battle that had been necessary to fight for 54 00:04:44,400 --> 00:04:48,480 Speaker 3: years and that is now very much part of a 55 00:04:48,680 --> 00:05:00,919 Speaker 3: squad orience. I was shocked that it took all that 56 00:05:01,080 --> 00:05:04,159 Speaker 3: for people to be heard in relation to a mother 57 00:05:04,360 --> 00:05:08,760 Speaker 3: that affected them the most, and it didn't work. The 58 00:05:08,800 --> 00:05:12,400 Speaker 3: government eventually gave people a place Cibo deal. 59 00:05:12,640 --> 00:05:16,440 Speaker 6: The government has decided to abandon this policy measure and 60 00:05:16,480 --> 00:05:20,039 Speaker 6: instead form a commission and inclusive commission that takes into 61 00:05:20,040 --> 00:05:23,440 Speaker 6: account the voices and participation of indigenous leaders. 62 00:05:23,640 --> 00:05:28,480 Speaker 3: And the irony is that indigenous people are more self 63 00:05:28,560 --> 00:05:33,279 Speaker 3: sufficient than the rest of us. We need the working 64 00:05:33,360 --> 00:05:43,000 Speaker 3: in agriculture, in farming to me more valuable than being 65 00:05:43,040 --> 00:05:47,839 Speaker 3: published by Bloomberg, the Washington Boss or the other international media. 66 00:05:48,040 --> 00:05:53,120 Speaker 3: Is having been asking by the Confederation of Indigenous Nationality 67 00:05:53,440 --> 00:05:57,080 Speaker 3: of Ecuador, is they called hang my photo in the 68 00:05:57,120 --> 00:06:01,279 Speaker 3: headquarters because of the word the institution has done for 69 00:06:01,400 --> 00:06:07,960 Speaker 3: indigenous communities. I got into photojournalisms because of an experience 70 00:06:08,200 --> 00:06:12,680 Speaker 3: I had in Esmeralda's one of the richest areas of 71 00:06:12,839 --> 00:06:19,560 Speaker 3: ECUADORI natural resorts, but with the highest rates of poverty 72 00:06:19,880 --> 00:06:25,440 Speaker 3: among the indigenous people who lived there. I joined and 73 00:06:25,839 --> 00:06:29,480 Speaker 3: in a group, I went to the mountains and participate 74 00:06:29,680 --> 00:06:38,680 Speaker 3: in the ceremonious hate to try to find myself, participate 75 00:06:38,839 --> 00:06:43,040 Speaker 3: in a communion with the mountain and we're natural maybicing 76 00:06:43,160 --> 00:06:50,240 Speaker 3: like Awakoya and Ayauasca to cure myself from egos and fears. 77 00:06:50,839 --> 00:06:54,799 Speaker 3: There I understood that I was my cot to show 78 00:06:54,920 --> 00:07:01,880 Speaker 3: Indigenous people struggles throughout my photos. I couldn't stay quiet. 79 00:07:02,400 --> 00:07:07,080 Speaker 3: I promise a promise to the mountain. Then I meet 80 00:07:07,120 --> 00:07:12,120 Speaker 3: Joyce a Argon, a photographer that I find very inspiring. 81 00:07:19,160 --> 00:07:24,360 Speaker 4: When I met David, I feel like he was my brother. 82 00:07:25,240 --> 00:07:30,040 Speaker 4: I met David during a worshop. After that we always 83 00:07:30,200 --> 00:07:34,720 Speaker 4: work together, and the idea of creating a collective started 84 00:07:34,760 --> 00:07:39,880 Speaker 4: with him. I worked in different collectives in Argentina and 85 00:07:39,960 --> 00:07:45,200 Speaker 4: Bolivia and Ratil. I loved how efficent and effective it was, 86 00:07:45,560 --> 00:07:53,480 Speaker 4: so I say this has to happen in Equador. We 87 00:07:53,600 --> 00:07:59,600 Speaker 4: don't have a school of photojournalists or documentary photography. We 88 00:07:59,760 --> 00:08:05,360 Speaker 4: learned in the way doing it's difficult for young photographers 89 00:08:05,400 --> 00:08:09,720 Speaker 4: to get a job in the traditional media. They don't 90 00:08:09,760 --> 00:08:15,040 Speaker 4: pay well. We need connections, so we decided we need 91 00:08:15,160 --> 00:08:22,120 Speaker 4: our own army photojournalists. We formed Fluxus on the streets 92 00:08:22,440 --> 00:08:27,560 Speaker 4: all the photography realities that we want to show everyone. 93 00:08:29,120 --> 00:08:33,439 Speaker 4: I identify as an and in a woman, and Fluxus 94 00:08:33,679 --> 00:08:38,360 Speaker 4: was formed with and in Cosmo vision that Fortifi is 95 00:08:38,400 --> 00:08:44,280 Speaker 4: from an encounter with each other and with people with photographs. 96 00:08:44,760 --> 00:08:48,400 Speaker 4: I even feel like inviting someone to join is like 97 00:08:48,679 --> 00:08:53,400 Speaker 4: falling in love. We see each other's work, then we 98 00:08:53,520 --> 00:08:58,040 Speaker 4: meet and if there is chemistry, we go out. Each 99 00:08:58,160 --> 00:09:03,920 Speaker 4: members were has run as to them. We have very 100 00:09:03,920 --> 00:09:08,880 Speaker 4: different visions and different way to work, but we are 101 00:09:09,200 --> 00:09:14,360 Speaker 4: all passionate about photographing to defend human rights, gender equality 102 00:09:14,679 --> 00:09:22,000 Speaker 4: and our collective vision of a more justituation Always of 103 00:09:22,160 --> 00:09:27,720 Speaker 4: working keep evolving constantly, but so the challenge that we 104 00:09:27,920 --> 00:09:31,240 Speaker 4: take on. In some occasions we have put our lives 105 00:09:31,320 --> 00:09:34,800 Speaker 4: on the line. I remember that during the first day 106 00:09:35,240 --> 00:09:39,800 Speaker 4: of the twenty nineteen on pricings, we were in the 107 00:09:39,840 --> 00:09:42,800 Speaker 4: middle of a mass of people and when the police 108 00:09:42,800 --> 00:09:46,520 Speaker 4: came and they started to fill up with gas, everyone 109 00:09:46,679 --> 00:09:53,600 Speaker 4: started running. I felt and I couldn't stand up. Suddenly 110 00:09:53,720 --> 00:09:58,000 Speaker 4: David pulled me up, grabbed my camera and put me 111 00:09:58,160 --> 00:10:01,560 Speaker 4: out of there. Then at at one point he couldn't 112 00:10:01,559 --> 00:10:05,120 Speaker 4: see anything and I had to guide him out of 113 00:10:05,240 --> 00:10:14,920 Speaker 4: the gas cults. It's hard to see the things that 114 00:10:14,960 --> 00:10:19,520 Speaker 4: we see through days like those, and we support each 115 00:10:19,559 --> 00:10:23,960 Speaker 4: other because we all know what it is like. We 116 00:10:24,280 --> 00:10:30,160 Speaker 4: are strong because we are together being published by the 117 00:10:30,240 --> 00:10:33,880 Speaker 4: New York Times, the Washington Post routers. It's just a 118 00:10:33,880 --> 00:10:37,800 Speaker 4: confirmation that we are doing it right. We are sprending 119 00:10:37,840 --> 00:10:41,600 Speaker 4: the truth and it is all mainly about telling the 120 00:10:41,640 --> 00:10:48,880 Speaker 4: story of Equatorians. We have working down borders. We are 121 00:10:49,000 --> 00:10:54,920 Speaker 4: working with collectives all throughout Latin America. Most recently we 122 00:10:55,040 --> 00:10:59,000 Speaker 4: got a grunt for National Geographic with which we portrayed 123 00:10:59,120 --> 00:11:03,520 Speaker 4: how for FRO six million children were impacted by the 124 00:11:03,600 --> 00:11:06,439 Speaker 4: cancelation of in person classes. 125 00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:12,720 Speaker 1: Plast classes and totals and suspendedas in total form elector. 126 00:11:15,280 --> 00:11:18,079 Speaker 4: The result made it to the photo exhibition for the 127 00:11:18,160 --> 00:11:21,920 Speaker 4: Villa in the New York City where Fluxus Photo Take 128 00:11:22,040 --> 00:11:26,400 Speaker 4: It by Annie and Amara. Vitron was printed out in 129 00:11:26,559 --> 00:11:30,920 Speaker 4: massive dimensions and hang on the sidewalk at the Brooklyn 130 00:11:30,960 --> 00:11:31,640 Speaker 4: Bridge Park. 131 00:11:34,800 --> 00:11:38,320 Speaker 5: I'm an Amria withdrawn. I'm one of the members of 132 00:11:38,720 --> 00:11:43,400 Speaker 5: Fluxus Photo collective. So we create a project to talk 133 00:11:43,480 --> 00:11:50,160 Speaker 5: about public private intercultural education during the lockdown in in Quito, 134 00:11:50,760 --> 00:11:55,880 Speaker 5: and we won the most important price for foreign journalists 135 00:11:55,960 --> 00:11:59,800 Speaker 5: in Ecuador. This prize is called hor Human pigam and 136 00:12:00,200 --> 00:12:04,640 Speaker 5: one for our photo story about this project that is 137 00:12:04,679 --> 00:12:09,160 Speaker 5: called education through WhatsApp. My photo is about Laura's Antian. 138 00:12:09,400 --> 00:12:13,200 Speaker 5: She is the principal of Yachias His school in Quito. 139 00:12:13,840 --> 00:12:18,640 Speaker 5: This is the school received indigenals children from all over 140 00:12:18,800 --> 00:12:24,760 Speaker 5: Ecuador and they focus on an intercultural way of teaching, 141 00:12:25,360 --> 00:12:34,400 Speaker 5: so they teach in Quichua, Spanish English. So in this photo, 142 00:12:34,679 --> 00:12:39,840 Speaker 5: Laura's Antian is teaching her students using her cell phone 143 00:12:40,400 --> 00:12:44,840 Speaker 5: connected with a selfistick. Laura is teaching her students about 144 00:12:45,400 --> 00:12:49,640 Speaker 5: medicinal plants that they have in the in this huge 145 00:12:49,679 --> 00:12:51,960 Speaker 5: garden that they have in the school. 146 00:12:52,320 --> 00:12:53,640 Speaker 1: It was it was a. 147 00:12:53,520 --> 00:12:58,640 Speaker 5: Really nice experience while Laura was teaching, walking through this 148 00:12:59,000 --> 00:13:03,240 Speaker 5: huge garden that looked like and chanted forest. I was 149 00:13:03,360 --> 00:13:07,800 Speaker 5: like walking really slow behind Laura because I don't want 150 00:13:07,840 --> 00:13:11,840 Speaker 5: to make any noise. I started connecting with hair stories 151 00:13:12,080 --> 00:13:15,680 Speaker 5: at that moment, and at some point I almost put 152 00:13:15,800 --> 00:13:20,320 Speaker 5: my feet on these flowers and plants, and she told 153 00:13:20,360 --> 00:13:23,920 Speaker 5: me please be careful, and I was okay, sorry, I 154 00:13:24,360 --> 00:13:29,040 Speaker 5: almost destroyed some of hair plants. But it was so 155 00:13:30,200 --> 00:13:35,920 Speaker 5: incredible for me how she walked through this garden forest 156 00:13:36,440 --> 00:13:41,119 Speaker 5: and she stopped in each plant and told how important 157 00:13:41,200 --> 00:13:46,439 Speaker 5: is the plant for our lives, for the conservation or 158 00:13:46,600 --> 00:13:50,640 Speaker 5: for this particular place, and it was I don't know, 159 00:13:50,760 --> 00:13:55,280 Speaker 5: like a movie been there. It was really interesting for 160 00:13:55,360 --> 00:13:59,520 Speaker 5: me to find or to understand through this type of 161 00:13:59,600 --> 00:14:04,280 Speaker 5: education that in the pandemic everything was not loose, that 162 00:14:04,400 --> 00:14:07,640 Speaker 5: we can have faith and educationa de. 163 00:14:07,720 --> 00:14:09,560 Speaker 1: Oil so on. Those are the sims. 164 00:14:10,160 --> 00:14:14,840 Speaker 5: Because we developed this project in the mountains or in Quito, 165 00:14:15,800 --> 00:14:21,000 Speaker 5: we want to portray other educational spaces of this from 166 00:14:21,080 --> 00:14:25,160 Speaker 5: this country, the coast, the Alapacos, the jungle. You know, 167 00:14:25,760 --> 00:14:30,840 Speaker 5: that will be totally different, visually different. We really think 168 00:14:30,880 --> 00:14:35,480 Speaker 5: that it's important for us, for the community, for other countries. 169 00:14:40,560 --> 00:14:44,480 Speaker 5: Some of the Fluxus members are really young. They are 170 00:14:44,640 --> 00:14:48,160 Speaker 5: in the year twenties. I learned a lot from them. Karen, 171 00:14:48,480 --> 00:14:51,680 Speaker 5: she has hands that turn everything in golf. She is 172 00:14:51,720 --> 00:14:56,080 Speaker 5: in church of sending out pitches. From Bani, I've learned 173 00:14:56,080 --> 00:15:03,560 Speaker 5: to simplify and resolve from Andrees his artistic conception. From Johis, 174 00:15:03,720 --> 00:15:08,480 Speaker 5: I learned her editing is killed. From Koso, I learned 175 00:15:08,480 --> 00:15:13,760 Speaker 5: his vision of how to relate with other organizations. From David, 176 00:15:14,080 --> 00:15:17,280 Speaker 5: I learned to not always say everything has big things 177 00:15:17,320 --> 00:15:18,520 Speaker 5: are still in process. 178 00:15:30,240 --> 00:15:35,480 Speaker 2: That was Davids Yohi's alercon and an Amara Bron they're 179 00:15:35,520 --> 00:15:40,120 Speaker 2: members of the Fluxus Photo collective reporting an Ecuador through 180 00:15:40,160 --> 00:15:50,240 Speaker 2: their photographs. Fluxu's next move will be the Opener School 181 00:15:50,280 --> 00:15:55,720 Speaker 2: for Ecuador's aspiring photographers, regardless of their age, race, or 182 00:15:55,840 --> 00:16:09,960 Speaker 2: socioeconomic level. 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