1 00:00:06,360 --> 00:00:10,760 Speaker 1: Hello everybody, and welcome to another edition of Cardinal Territory. 2 00:00:10,960 --> 00:00:14,440 Speaker 1: Jim Hayes along with lance Lyn who's mobile today, and 3 00:00:14,520 --> 00:00:17,720 Speaker 1: Kyle Gibson. Gentlemen, good to see it. We should have 4 00:00:18,000 --> 00:00:21,119 Speaker 1: a lot to talk about today. But you know what, 5 00:00:21,480 --> 00:00:25,200 Speaker 1: if you're a subscriber to this podcast and you enjoy, 6 00:00:25,440 --> 00:00:27,760 Speaker 1: tell us some friends, would you. We're trying to get 7 00:00:27,800 --> 00:00:30,280 Speaker 1: to seven K and here's the deal. If we get 8 00:00:30,320 --> 00:00:33,599 Speaker 1: to seven K, then the first episode after that we're 9 00:00:33,640 --> 00:00:37,080 Speaker 1: all going to be dressed in tuxedos for one episode. 10 00:00:37,120 --> 00:00:41,040 Speaker 1: Not really, but it's worth the try. So we're trying 11 00:00:41,040 --> 00:00:44,920 Speaker 1: to get some extra subscribers. All right, boys, cardinals. 12 00:00:44,960 --> 00:00:48,760 Speaker 2: If it's Canadian, Jim. 13 00:00:49,440 --> 00:00:52,360 Speaker 1: A Canadian tuxedo, I love dinner. 14 00:00:54,000 --> 00:00:56,760 Speaker 3: Is that you've never heard of the Canadian tuxedo? Jim? No? 15 00:00:56,840 --> 00:00:58,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, grew it well, I act like you've been on 16 00:00:58,760 --> 00:00:59,480 Speaker 2: the earth before. 17 00:01:00,200 --> 00:01:02,880 Speaker 1: A Canadian tuxedos dent look you live and learn. 18 00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:06,720 Speaker 3: This is all jeans, all jean, all jeans suit denim. 19 00:01:07,240 --> 00:01:09,640 Speaker 2: Have you not seen justin Timberlake in the nineties, for 20 00:01:09,720 --> 00:01:12,360 Speaker 2: God's sakes or is that early two thousands? Either way, 21 00:01:12,959 --> 00:01:13,760 Speaker 2: I miss look at it. 22 00:01:13,880 --> 00:01:16,400 Speaker 1: I should have I should have I should have known, 23 00:01:16,480 --> 00:01:20,160 Speaker 1: but this this is a podcast that informs and enlightens, 24 00:01:20,520 --> 00:01:22,280 Speaker 1: and I have already learned something. 25 00:01:22,840 --> 00:01:26,840 Speaker 2: Now it's a question or more denim. Yes, you're welcome. 26 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:31,560 Speaker 1: Okay, aren't we learning anything about the Saint Louis Cardinals 27 00:01:31,600 --> 00:01:34,880 Speaker 1: off to a four and two start. The starting pitching 28 00:01:35,520 --> 00:01:41,000 Speaker 1: has been very good, the hitting has been timely. Mason 29 00:01:41,080 --> 00:01:44,240 Speaker 1: Winn had a nice walk off blop the other day. 30 00:01:44,280 --> 00:01:46,280 Speaker 1: But the Cardinals are out of the blocks quickly. For 31 00:01:46,319 --> 00:01:49,360 Speaker 1: a young team, you anticipate that builds a little confident. 32 00:01:49,480 --> 00:01:54,080 Speaker 1: So lane's any takeaways from the first six games. 33 00:01:55,480 --> 00:01:58,400 Speaker 2: Uh, you know it's gonna be a I get here's 34 00:01:58,400 --> 00:02:00,160 Speaker 2: a tough thing. It's it's gonna be a fun one 35 00:02:00,280 --> 00:02:02,880 Speaker 2: thing to watch, but it's gonna be frustrating at times, 36 00:02:02,920 --> 00:02:05,360 Speaker 2: I think this year. But they have the ability to 37 00:02:05,560 --> 00:02:08,400 Speaker 2: win games. We've said that they're talented, right, we just 38 00:02:08,440 --> 00:02:12,680 Speaker 2: need guys to show up for one sixty two. Mason's 39 00:02:12,720 --> 00:02:15,640 Speaker 2: done it. You have other guys that have done it. 40 00:02:16,160 --> 00:02:19,519 Speaker 2: Burley's starting to take over a new role. It's gonna 41 00:02:19,560 --> 00:02:21,600 Speaker 2: be fun to see Lars back in there whenever that 42 00:02:21,639 --> 00:02:24,840 Speaker 2: comes Midsummer with this group, because he brings a different 43 00:02:24,840 --> 00:02:27,400 Speaker 2: type of energy, so you're gonna have to take the 44 00:02:27,480 --> 00:02:30,480 Speaker 2: lumps with it. Like you said, timely hitting, that's just hey, 45 00:02:30,639 --> 00:02:32,800 Speaker 2: you know, they're gonna go through streaks where you know 46 00:02:32,880 --> 00:02:34,600 Speaker 2: they're they're doing what they need to do, and then 47 00:02:34,600 --> 00:02:37,320 Speaker 2: they're gonna get theirselves in some trouble. But that's just 48 00:02:37,320 --> 00:02:39,920 Speaker 2: being young and learning how to establish what you need 49 00:02:39,960 --> 00:02:42,520 Speaker 2: to establish in the box. Pitching the same way, these 50 00:02:42,560 --> 00:02:44,240 Speaker 2: guys are gonna have to build off of each other 51 00:02:44,880 --> 00:02:48,720 Speaker 2: h and scratch the you know, quality starts out like 52 00:02:48,720 --> 00:02:51,000 Speaker 2: they're starting to do, and then also put the bullpen 53 00:02:51,080 --> 00:02:54,200 Speaker 2: in good spots to you know, hide guys and not 54 00:02:54,240 --> 00:02:56,280 Speaker 2: put them in tough situations. And then you can do 55 00:02:56,320 --> 00:02:58,880 Speaker 2: that and then you start building confidence. So they have 56 00:02:58,960 --> 00:03:01,079 Speaker 2: the talent and to do all that. You know, they 57 00:03:01,080 --> 00:03:03,600 Speaker 2: don't have the big payroll, so everyone thinks, oh, they're 58 00:03:03,600 --> 00:03:06,840 Speaker 2: supposed to lose a hundred games, but with the talent 59 00:03:06,880 --> 00:03:09,400 Speaker 2: they have on their team. Top hundred prospects, most of 60 00:03:09,440 --> 00:03:12,480 Speaker 2: them have been throughout their career at some point or 61 00:03:12,560 --> 00:03:16,040 Speaker 2: forgotten about ballplayers that are good. They're gonna do some 62 00:03:16,080 --> 00:03:17,960 Speaker 2: good things. We just got to let them learn how 63 00:03:17,960 --> 00:03:19,560 Speaker 2: to do those things and then you see where you're 64 00:03:19,560 --> 00:03:22,600 Speaker 2: at once the season starts, you know, building games in 65 00:03:22,600 --> 00:03:24,640 Speaker 2: into it right now. But they're fun right now and 66 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:26,800 Speaker 2: hopefully they stay like that and there's gonna be some 67 00:03:26,880 --> 00:03:27,720 Speaker 2: up and downs with it. 68 00:03:28,680 --> 00:03:30,680 Speaker 1: Look, one thing is fun, Kyle, what do you like 69 00:03:30,720 --> 00:03:32,359 Speaker 1: about the games you've seen so far? 70 00:03:34,080 --> 00:03:36,360 Speaker 3: I think they can win in a lot of different ways, 71 00:03:36,520 --> 00:03:38,320 Speaker 3: you know. I think their offense when they're hot, can 72 00:03:38,360 --> 00:03:40,960 Speaker 3: carry them. I think they're bullpen just like the Day, 73 00:03:41,880 --> 00:03:44,080 Speaker 3: can put up a lot of zeros and really be 74 00:03:44,200 --> 00:03:45,520 Speaker 3: the strength that we thought it was going to be 75 00:03:45,520 --> 00:03:48,720 Speaker 3: the whole time. And then I think, you know, Mason 76 00:03:49,160 --> 00:03:51,360 Speaker 3: flashed the arm and flashed the defense that we know 77 00:03:51,480 --> 00:03:54,960 Speaker 3: is there. And I just think they have the ability 78 00:03:55,040 --> 00:03:58,560 Speaker 3: to be a pretty complete team at times. And I 79 00:03:58,600 --> 00:04:03,680 Speaker 3: know that sounds crazy, but just because of their their payroll, 80 00:04:03,760 --> 00:04:05,600 Speaker 3: like Lance said, people wouldn't look at them as a 81 00:04:05,640 --> 00:04:09,880 Speaker 3: complete team. But I thought Lance's analogy of comparing them 82 00:04:09,880 --> 00:04:13,840 Speaker 3: to the Brewers was really interesting last episode, and I mean, 83 00:04:13,880 --> 00:04:15,600 Speaker 3: I can I can see it kind of being that way. 84 00:04:17,240 --> 00:04:19,800 Speaker 1: I liked a lot of different things you mentioned. Mason 85 00:04:19,880 --> 00:04:22,680 Speaker 1: win all right, the blue based if he was in 86 00:04:22,720 --> 00:04:25,800 Speaker 1: a car accident. By the way, yesterday, we're told he's okay, 87 00:04:26,120 --> 00:04:28,680 Speaker 1: So I want to mention it single car accident. We're 88 00:04:28,680 --> 00:04:32,400 Speaker 1: told no injuries, but Mason has been putting on a 89 00:04:32,520 --> 00:04:37,840 Speaker 1: clinic with the glove right and from a starting pitcher perspective, 90 00:04:37,920 --> 00:04:40,880 Speaker 1: as both of you guys are, what does that mean 91 00:04:40,960 --> 00:04:44,159 Speaker 1: to have a guy like Mason win back there lance 92 00:04:44,240 --> 00:04:47,640 Speaker 1: knowing that if it's on the ground, he's probably going 93 00:04:47,720 --> 00:04:49,800 Speaker 1: to get it and that arm is unbelievable. 94 00:04:51,480 --> 00:04:53,880 Speaker 2: So I think the beauty of Mason as young players 95 00:04:53,880 --> 00:04:56,680 Speaker 2: are so worried about their bat that sometimes that they 96 00:04:56,800 --> 00:05:01,119 Speaker 2: forget about how good they can be defensively. Mason's goal 97 00:05:01,440 --> 00:05:03,440 Speaker 2: no matter where he's at on the field, whether it's 98 00:05:03,440 --> 00:05:05,040 Speaker 2: in the boxer on the field, just to let you 99 00:05:05,120 --> 00:05:08,280 Speaker 2: know that he can be the best player at at 100 00:05:08,279 --> 00:05:10,600 Speaker 2: his position and he wants to show that off. So 101 00:05:10,960 --> 00:05:12,960 Speaker 2: when you have a guy like that behind you, you know, 102 00:05:13,080 --> 00:05:17,039 Speaker 2: no matter what's going on offensively or anything like that, 103 00:05:17,120 --> 00:05:18,919 Speaker 2: he's locked in and he's always gonna be locked in 104 00:05:18,920 --> 00:05:21,279 Speaker 2: and you're gonna get one hundred percent effort. So that's 105 00:05:21,279 --> 00:05:24,080 Speaker 2: the beauty of Mason. The energy that he plays with, 106 00:05:24,120 --> 00:05:26,920 Speaker 2: the passion that he plays with, the fire like He's 107 00:05:26,960 --> 00:05:28,600 Speaker 2: there every day and it's stay in and day out, 108 00:05:28,680 --> 00:05:31,760 Speaker 2: and it's not as Kyle and I know it's not 109 00:05:31,760 --> 00:05:34,440 Speaker 2: one of those things for show like it's it's for him. 110 00:05:34,480 --> 00:05:37,839 Speaker 2: It beats inside of him differently. It's not something to 111 00:05:37,839 --> 00:05:39,480 Speaker 2: be like, hey, look at me. It's like, hey, this 112 00:05:39,520 --> 00:05:40,840 Speaker 2: is who I am, and this is how I play 113 00:05:40,920 --> 00:05:42,680 Speaker 2: the game, and I'm gonna do it as hard as 114 00:05:42,720 --> 00:05:44,719 Speaker 2: I can, whether you like it or not. But I'm 115 00:05:44,720 --> 00:05:47,400 Speaker 2: here every day doing it the same way, so there's 116 00:05:47,440 --> 00:05:49,760 Speaker 2: no facade about it or anything like that. So that's 117 00:05:49,760 --> 00:05:52,440 Speaker 2: what I love about Mason. And he's learning the more 118 00:05:52,440 --> 00:05:56,280 Speaker 2: and more as he goes, you know, I think offensively 119 00:05:56,360 --> 00:05:58,000 Speaker 2: it's gonna come. I'd like to see him up at 120 00:05:58,000 --> 00:05:59,480 Speaker 2: the top of the lineup so he doesn't feel like 121 00:05:59,520 --> 00:06:01,599 Speaker 2: he has to drive the ball and he can be 122 00:06:01,640 --> 00:06:04,680 Speaker 2: who he is and him and JJ together can do 123 00:06:04,760 --> 00:06:07,160 Speaker 2: some running and do some havoc because I think that's 124 00:06:07,160 --> 00:06:09,080 Speaker 2: what they're going to do for guys, and then but 125 00:06:09,240 --> 00:06:12,080 Speaker 2: Herrera and Burley behind them, so it just turns into 126 00:06:12,480 --> 00:06:14,960 Speaker 2: a nice fun show for everybody to see what everybody's 127 00:06:14,960 --> 00:06:17,640 Speaker 2: capable of. But Mason's a beauty and he's always there, 128 00:06:17,640 --> 00:06:19,400 Speaker 2: and he's always wanting to make sure that he makes 129 00:06:19,440 --> 00:06:21,400 Speaker 2: every play possible no matter what's going on. 130 00:06:22,279 --> 00:06:24,919 Speaker 1: Yeah, they got JJ, they got leaning Off. I like 131 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:27,719 Speaker 1: one at the top. Two, Kyle, what are your thoughts? 132 00:06:29,440 --> 00:06:32,440 Speaker 3: Lance took my answer there. We definitely agree on his 133 00:06:32,520 --> 00:06:36,360 Speaker 3: defense always shows up and he prides himself on being 134 00:06:36,400 --> 00:06:38,679 Speaker 3: able to take hits away when he's not getting hits 135 00:06:38,839 --> 00:06:44,479 Speaker 3: and young players, that's very rare, I would agree. I 136 00:06:44,480 --> 00:06:47,000 Speaker 3: I'm not sure what I understand that. I know that 137 00:06:47,040 --> 00:06:49,880 Speaker 3: Ali and his staff has a thought process here about 138 00:06:49,920 --> 00:06:52,640 Speaker 3: why we have these guys lined up where they are 139 00:06:52,640 --> 00:06:55,720 Speaker 3: in the lineup. But this is probably with all of 140 00:06:55,760 --> 00:06:58,200 Speaker 3: the sports ready that I listened to and effort or 141 00:06:58,600 --> 00:07:00,440 Speaker 3: with the goal of being able to cold call one 142 00:07:00,480 --> 00:07:03,320 Speaker 3: on one ESPN and and debate them at a moment's notice, 143 00:07:03,320 --> 00:07:05,440 Speaker 3: But with all of the one on one ESPN I 144 00:07:05,480 --> 00:07:08,400 Speaker 3: listened to, this is like the biggest question they have 145 00:07:08,640 --> 00:07:12,520 Speaker 3: is why as Mason when hitting cleanup? Uh, they don't 146 00:07:12,600 --> 00:07:15,160 Speaker 3: understand the left right, left right, which I think baseball 147 00:07:15,200 --> 00:07:19,160 Speaker 3: people do at this point. But I'm not really sure 148 00:07:19,280 --> 00:07:21,400 Speaker 3: what all the thinking is that goes into it that 149 00:07:21,480 --> 00:07:24,440 Speaker 3: you don't have JJ and Mason one and two, and 150 00:07:24,480 --> 00:07:27,800 Speaker 3: then Burley and Herrera after that, and then if it's 151 00:07:27,880 --> 00:07:32,360 Speaker 3: a lefty on the mound, Mason, JJ, Herrera, Burley, these 152 00:07:32,400 --> 00:07:35,240 Speaker 3: guys are not too set in in their approach where 153 00:07:35,760 --> 00:07:39,120 Speaker 3: Herrera can't go to three and Bury four and flip flop, 154 00:07:39,280 --> 00:07:42,200 Speaker 3: and same with Mason and JJ. I don't think that 155 00:07:42,520 --> 00:07:45,240 Speaker 3: freeates an issue. So it's probably what I would do. 156 00:07:45,280 --> 00:07:47,760 Speaker 3: But it's also the reason why I'm retired and sitting 157 00:07:47,760 --> 00:07:50,200 Speaker 3: in my house. I'm gonna go work outside today because 158 00:07:50,240 --> 00:07:54,360 Speaker 3: I don't do enough researchers to figure out why Herrera 159 00:07:54,440 --> 00:07:56,360 Speaker 3: is in the two and Mason's in the four. I 160 00:07:56,360 --> 00:07:59,560 Speaker 3: would flip up. I would Allie, Allie, I know you're watching. 161 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:01,320 Speaker 3: I would flip them, but. 162 00:08:03,040 --> 00:08:08,520 Speaker 2: Easy, flip easy. So the question is Herrera is Herrera 163 00:08:08,560 --> 00:08:11,520 Speaker 2: in the two holes? So when Victor Scott's going right, 164 00:08:11,640 --> 00:08:15,920 Speaker 2: you have Victor JJ in front of Herrera on the backside. 165 00:08:15,960 --> 00:08:18,600 Speaker 2: But I start the game with my my best, my 166 00:08:18,640 --> 00:08:20,640 Speaker 2: best three hitters, so if you want to go, if 167 00:08:20,680 --> 00:08:23,560 Speaker 2: you want to go, I mean our best four right, 168 00:08:23,640 --> 00:08:25,320 Speaker 2: and but I put get some guys on base in 169 00:08:25,320 --> 00:08:29,600 Speaker 2: front of them, and I think, like we always talk about, JJ, 170 00:08:29,840 --> 00:08:34,920 Speaker 2: is bringing an enthusiasm that is infectious. Mason Winn has 171 00:08:34,960 --> 00:08:37,680 Speaker 2: that same one. So put those both those guys in 172 00:08:37,720 --> 00:08:41,400 Speaker 2: a situation to put the team on their back with 173 00:08:41,480 --> 00:08:44,600 Speaker 2: that enthusiasm the fans, and they'll get it going. And 174 00:08:44,640 --> 00:08:47,120 Speaker 2: then Burley will feed off of them in a heartbeat 175 00:08:47,120 --> 00:08:49,440 Speaker 2: as we've seen, and he's not afraid of any situation 176 00:08:49,559 --> 00:08:52,040 Speaker 2: with runners on or not, and the same with Herrera. 177 00:08:52,360 --> 00:08:55,160 Speaker 2: And then it gives the It gives the picture on 178 00:08:55,200 --> 00:08:57,600 Speaker 2: the mount. Also another thing they got to worry about 179 00:08:57,600 --> 00:08:59,719 Speaker 2: because they'll steal back start right, So you gotta worry 180 00:08:59,760 --> 00:09:01,160 Speaker 2: about and quick to the play this and that, so 181 00:09:01,200 --> 00:09:03,960 Speaker 2: you make mistakes for her Burley. So that's my spill 182 00:09:04,040 --> 00:09:06,240 Speaker 2: as a starting pitcher. That's what I would hate to 183 00:09:06,440 --> 00:09:09,240 Speaker 2: face going in. If I'm like, oh cool, I gotta 184 00:09:09,440 --> 00:09:11,520 Speaker 2: I get JJ out, then I don't have to worry 185 00:09:11,520 --> 00:09:14,280 Speaker 2: about her and then it's just you just adding more 186 00:09:14,280 --> 00:09:16,440 Speaker 2: havoc for a starting picture to deal with those two 187 00:09:16,480 --> 00:09:19,240 Speaker 2: at the top. In my opinion, I'll let you know 188 00:09:19,240 --> 00:09:20,080 Speaker 2: if you touched him back. 189 00:09:20,120 --> 00:09:23,240 Speaker 3: I texted him, I texted him, I texted Olie, asked 190 00:09:23,280 --> 00:09:24,800 Speaker 3: him the question in real time. We'll see if we 191 00:09:24,840 --> 00:09:27,000 Speaker 3: get an answer. I did end the text with By 192 00:09:27,040 --> 00:09:29,520 Speaker 3: the way, even though we're questioning you, you're the man. 193 00:09:29,760 --> 00:09:32,079 Speaker 3: So hopefully that lets her know that we really want 194 00:09:32,080 --> 00:09:32,760 Speaker 3: to hear from him. 195 00:09:32,840 --> 00:09:36,280 Speaker 2: Lances, Lance's blasting you. Lance's blasting you right now. Beheads up. 196 00:09:37,280 --> 00:09:39,320 Speaker 3: Oh that would probably really make him. That would make 197 00:09:39,400 --> 00:09:40,280 Speaker 3: him even answer faster. 198 00:09:40,520 --> 00:09:42,520 Speaker 2: Say he might call me, you might call me. 199 00:09:43,600 --> 00:09:46,760 Speaker 1: I love that. By the way, Kyle Campbell Wax does 200 00:09:46,800 --> 00:09:50,680 Speaker 1: sports talk. They have a great group that does Cardinals. 201 00:09:50,679 --> 00:09:53,000 Speaker 1: You should listen to that. Plus we might end up 202 00:09:53,400 --> 00:09:55,800 Speaker 1: doing something with them at some point. So saying nice 203 00:09:55,840 --> 00:09:58,720 Speaker 1: things about good watch it's not just one on one 204 00:09:59,440 --> 00:10:03,000 Speaker 1: promotion will show just for the record, all right. By 205 00:10:03,000 --> 00:10:05,120 Speaker 1: the way, Dickter Scott, the second is off to a 206 00:10:05,160 --> 00:10:08,000 Speaker 1: good start. I want to talk about Herrera. I don't 207 00:10:08,000 --> 00:10:11,480 Speaker 1: think anyone that watches the Cardinals is worried that the 208 00:10:11,559 --> 00:10:14,079 Speaker 1: timing wouldn't come. It seems to have kicked in. He 209 00:10:14,200 --> 00:10:16,400 Speaker 1: wasn't worried about it, but he's caught. 210 00:10:16,240 --> 00:10:18,120 Speaker 3: All the games. Call me? 211 00:10:19,840 --> 00:10:20,600 Speaker 1: Is that true? 212 00:10:21,120 --> 00:10:21,880 Speaker 3: Ollie? What's up? 213 00:10:24,760 --> 00:10:25,959 Speaker 2: You're calling him? Live Alli? 214 00:10:26,360 --> 00:10:31,320 Speaker 3: I'm on, I'm on right now. Okay, hey hold hey, 215 00:10:31,440 --> 00:10:36,439 Speaker 3: uh do you want to tell him yourself? Here? I'll 216 00:10:36,480 --> 00:10:38,640 Speaker 3: put no, he really can't hear you, not unless you 217 00:10:39,080 --> 00:10:40,680 Speaker 3: I can send you the Lincoln. You can click in, 218 00:10:40,760 --> 00:10:43,079 Speaker 3: but it might be too much, Jim, he says, grow up. 219 00:10:44,559 --> 00:10:45,680 Speaker 1: He says that every day. 220 00:10:46,880 --> 00:10:49,280 Speaker 3: Hey, Lix, he loves you, even though you disagree with him, 221 00:10:49,320 --> 00:10:49,880 Speaker 3: He loves you. 222 00:10:50,440 --> 00:10:53,280 Speaker 2: Hey, tell him. Put Mason into two hole. Put Herrera 223 00:10:53,280 --> 00:10:54,480 Speaker 2: in the four in less rock. 224 00:10:55,320 --> 00:10:57,880 Speaker 3: Hey, Lias says, put Mason into a hole, Herrera in 225 00:10:57,880 --> 00:10:58,600 Speaker 3: the four hole. 226 00:10:58,400 --> 00:11:08,839 Speaker 1: In its rock, right, yep, tell him this is great? 227 00:11:09,960 --> 00:11:13,080 Speaker 1: All right? I want you to Mason should lead off. 228 00:11:13,080 --> 00:11:14,840 Speaker 1: He should be Mason. JJ. 229 00:11:15,280 --> 00:11:18,000 Speaker 2: I like that. That's what I looked at it there 230 00:11:18,080 --> 00:11:20,480 Speaker 2: there there at your top. And then let Burley uh 231 00:11:21,320 --> 00:11:22,640 Speaker 2: fit in where they need. 232 00:11:23,000 --> 00:11:26,400 Speaker 1: Plus Mason wants he likes leading off, like he was 233 00:11:26,440 --> 00:11:28,880 Speaker 1: into it last year when they gave him that opportunity. 234 00:11:29,440 --> 00:11:31,280 Speaker 1: And I think with the young team and he's one 235 00:11:31,320 --> 00:11:33,360 Speaker 1: of the leaders embraced that. All right, here you go. 236 00:11:33,760 --> 00:11:35,760 Speaker 1: JJ is fine with it. All right, But let me 237 00:11:36,120 --> 00:11:38,400 Speaker 1: let me ask you about Herrera and then we'll get 238 00:11:38,400 --> 00:11:42,200 Speaker 1: back to Mason leading off. When when Kyle gets his 239 00:11:42,320 --> 00:11:45,160 Speaker 1: answer from Ali in real time, what a chieved show 240 00:11:45,240 --> 00:11:49,400 Speaker 1: we are with Herrera? All right, he's gotten a couple 241 00:11:49,440 --> 00:11:52,400 Speaker 1: of chances to catch. Last year couldn't throw people like 242 00:11:52,440 --> 00:11:55,480 Speaker 1: that guy can't catch. We had loose particles in his 243 00:11:55,559 --> 00:11:58,920 Speaker 1: elbow and throwing elbow. Had that cleaned up. He wants 244 00:11:58,960 --> 00:12:01,880 Speaker 1: to catch, because he said that's like his minist dream 245 00:12:02,040 --> 00:12:04,240 Speaker 1: to at least get some opportunity to catch. We know 246 00:12:04,280 --> 00:12:06,840 Speaker 1: the hitting was going to come around. Just your thoughts 247 00:12:06,840 --> 00:12:09,440 Speaker 1: of him as a as a as a catcher and 248 00:12:09,520 --> 00:12:12,200 Speaker 1: being able to do whatever it takes to get back 249 00:12:12,200 --> 00:12:12,880 Speaker 1: behind the plate. 250 00:12:13,880 --> 00:12:15,080 Speaker 2: No, I think it's huge for the team. 251 00:12:15,160 --> 00:12:15,280 Speaker 3: Right. 252 00:12:15,360 --> 00:12:17,800 Speaker 2: Anytime you can put that bat behind the plate and 253 00:12:17,840 --> 00:12:21,959 Speaker 2: you're not worried about having any you know, major defensive 254 00:12:22,000 --> 00:12:24,439 Speaker 2: problems is huge. So I think if his throwing is 255 00:12:24,480 --> 00:12:26,840 Speaker 2: where it needs to be, I've thrown to him behind 256 00:12:26,840 --> 00:12:29,120 Speaker 2: the plate. He works his butt off at game planning, 257 00:12:29,240 --> 00:12:31,959 Speaker 2: he catches blocks, he does all the things you need to. 258 00:12:32,040 --> 00:12:34,520 Speaker 2: I think the throwing was obviously the major thing. And 259 00:12:34,559 --> 00:12:39,600 Speaker 2: obviously when you have issues physically throwing, your mechanics get weird. 260 00:12:39,679 --> 00:12:41,360 Speaker 2: You just you try to band aid it and it 261 00:12:41,440 --> 00:12:44,200 Speaker 2: just doesn't come out well. So if he can be 262 00:12:44,240 --> 00:12:47,800 Speaker 2: behind the plate for you know, a certain port part 263 00:12:47,880 --> 00:12:49,599 Speaker 2: of the games, and this then that that gives you 264 00:12:49,640 --> 00:12:51,280 Speaker 2: another bat in the lineup that you can put at 265 00:12:51,320 --> 00:12:54,320 Speaker 2: d H, give a guy's day off their feet in 266 00:12:54,320 --> 00:12:56,959 Speaker 2: the outfield, or you know, Burly a day off at first, 267 00:12:57,360 --> 00:13:01,080 Speaker 2: things like that. I think it's huge. So having a 268 00:13:01,160 --> 00:13:04,720 Speaker 2: offensive minded catcher quote that can play, that can do 269 00:13:04,920 --> 00:13:07,520 Speaker 2: enough defensively to not you know, be a liability is 270 00:13:07,600 --> 00:13:10,160 Speaker 2: huge and he's definitely capable of all that. So as 271 00:13:10,200 --> 00:13:13,640 Speaker 2: the team goes that's huge for them, it's huge for him, 272 00:13:13,720 --> 00:13:16,080 Speaker 2: and I think as the year goes on, Oli will 273 00:13:16,080 --> 00:13:20,120 Speaker 2: be able to incorporate those off days as they call 274 00:13:20,200 --> 00:13:23,120 Speaker 2: him for guys as in the d H spot where 275 00:13:23,480 --> 00:13:26,400 Speaker 2: where an Ivan can catch and then vice versa. For Ivan, 276 00:13:26,480 --> 00:13:28,520 Speaker 2: you kit him on the field more to d H 277 00:13:29,559 --> 00:13:31,760 Speaker 2: in his days, so he's not behind the plate too 278 00:13:31,800 --> 00:13:33,200 Speaker 2: much because we don't want to lose him for an 279 00:13:33,200 --> 00:13:34,520 Speaker 2: extent of period of time. So it could be a 280 00:13:34,600 --> 00:13:38,120 Speaker 2: huge benef beneficiary for the whole team. 281 00:13:38,640 --> 00:13:42,640 Speaker 1: He's also really good at at the ABS. I know, 282 00:13:42,640 --> 00:13:44,839 Speaker 1: if we can go back to the Gibson camp, I'm 283 00:13:44,840 --> 00:13:47,320 Speaker 1: going to ask our director Henry, because we're kind of 284 00:13:47,360 --> 00:13:49,640 Speaker 1: doing this on the fly. If I don't see him, 285 00:13:49,679 --> 00:13:51,800 Speaker 1: I guess the answer is no, because I want to 286 00:13:51,800 --> 00:13:57,400 Speaker 1: be answer. Hey, Kyle, wrap it up with Atli, would you. 287 00:13:58,120 --> 00:14:00,199 Speaker 2: This is what the people is, what people want. How 288 00:14:00,200 --> 00:14:01,640 Speaker 2: come on, he's gonna give us it. 289 00:14:01,679 --> 00:14:02,280 Speaker 3: He's gonna give it. 290 00:14:03,880 --> 00:14:05,640 Speaker 2: Still at the end. 291 00:14:06,440 --> 00:14:08,400 Speaker 1: Okay. I mean it's too long with Autley and I 292 00:14:08,400 --> 00:14:09,440 Speaker 1: think he's buck kissing. 293 00:14:09,480 --> 00:14:10,360 Speaker 2: But I'm gonna ask you. 294 00:14:10,720 --> 00:14:13,559 Speaker 3: All right, guys, I got my answer, and then get 295 00:14:13,600 --> 00:14:16,200 Speaker 3: you on here next week, especially as it works out, 296 00:14:16,280 --> 00:14:18,400 Speaker 3: because when you start playing our lineup, when you start 297 00:14:18,440 --> 00:14:19,840 Speaker 3: playing our lineup, we've got to have you on to 298 00:14:19,840 --> 00:14:20,320 Speaker 3: talk about it. 299 00:14:20,280 --> 00:14:24,640 Speaker 2: All right, Yeah, get hot. Don't let him get hot 300 00:14:24,640 --> 00:14:25,240 Speaker 2: in our lineup? 301 00:14:26,400 --> 00:14:28,680 Speaker 3: All right? All right, here's what we got, guys. All right, 302 00:14:28,720 --> 00:14:32,960 Speaker 3: here's what we got. All right. Uh, everybody understands that 303 00:14:33,360 --> 00:14:35,800 Speaker 3: the two hole is kind of it profiles as the 304 00:14:35,880 --> 00:14:38,920 Speaker 3: hitter that hits gets the most abs and between your 305 00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:40,880 Speaker 3: nine hole and one hole getting on base a lot, 306 00:14:40,960 --> 00:14:44,400 Speaker 3: you just have a lot of bats for that type 307 00:14:44,400 --> 00:14:48,800 Speaker 3: of a hitter. Does Is it perfect in that situation 308 00:14:48,920 --> 00:14:53,600 Speaker 3: to have Herrera be that guy? Maybe not perfect? Does 309 00:14:53,640 --> 00:14:56,680 Speaker 3: he profile probably as a power three four hitter? Yes, 310 00:14:57,400 --> 00:15:00,920 Speaker 3: but for what this team needs, it really makes sense 311 00:15:00,960 --> 00:15:02,680 Speaker 3: to have in all his mind, it makes sense to 312 00:15:02,720 --> 00:15:07,160 Speaker 3: have Herrera in that too, and then Mason, which I 313 00:15:07,640 --> 00:15:09,840 Speaker 3: when they first started putting in Mason fool This is 314 00:15:09,840 --> 00:15:11,560 Speaker 3: what I loved about it, and this is what all 315 00:15:11,600 --> 00:15:15,520 Speaker 3: I kind of confirmed, is that with JJ, Herrara, and Burley, 316 00:15:16,080 --> 00:15:18,320 Speaker 3: all three guys who are probably gonna get on base 317 00:15:18,400 --> 00:15:22,400 Speaker 3: a lot, and you've already seen Herrera's getting walked intentionally 318 00:15:22,440 --> 00:15:25,080 Speaker 3: a couple of times, Burley's leading the team on base, 319 00:15:25,520 --> 00:15:27,560 Speaker 3: and JJ has a chance to profile to being on 320 00:15:27,600 --> 00:15:31,120 Speaker 3: bass guy as well. Then that gives Mason the chance 321 00:15:31,360 --> 00:15:34,840 Speaker 3: because he's not a double play guy and he doesn't 322 00:15:34,840 --> 00:15:38,880 Speaker 3: strike out a lot, so in all his mind, even 323 00:15:38,920 --> 00:15:40,600 Speaker 3: though he might not have the power of a four 324 00:15:40,600 --> 00:15:43,640 Speaker 3: whole hitter, it seems like the understanding here is, Mason, 325 00:15:43,680 --> 00:15:46,360 Speaker 3: we need you in this spot because if it's first 326 00:15:46,360 --> 00:15:48,800 Speaker 3: and third, one out in the first inning, we're not 327 00:15:48,800 --> 00:15:51,440 Speaker 3: worried about you hitting into a double play, and we're 328 00:15:51,440 --> 00:15:53,760 Speaker 3: not worried about you striking out, so more than likely 329 00:15:53,800 --> 00:15:56,240 Speaker 3: it's our best chance to get a run in that 330 00:15:56,320 --> 00:15:59,800 Speaker 3: first inning if that's the scenario we're in. With that case, 331 00:16:00,080 --> 00:16:02,880 Speaker 3: I do love it, right, I don't mind it at all, 332 00:16:02,960 --> 00:16:04,880 Speaker 3: And I think it gives Mason a chance, just like 333 00:16:04,920 --> 00:16:07,000 Speaker 3: you did the other day, to be up in a 334 00:16:07,040 --> 00:16:09,760 Speaker 3: spot where you need a ball put in play with 335 00:16:09,840 --> 00:16:15,160 Speaker 3: two outs to give yourself a chance to win the game. Yeah, 336 00:16:15,200 --> 00:16:18,840 Speaker 3: so he doesn't necessarily hate the idea of flip flopping 337 00:16:18,840 --> 00:16:20,760 Speaker 3: one and two, three and four based on facing a 338 00:16:20,840 --> 00:16:24,160 Speaker 3: righty lefty, But what he's trying to avoid down in 339 00:16:24,280 --> 00:16:27,400 Speaker 3: the order is three lefties in a row or three 340 00:16:27,480 --> 00:16:32,120 Speaker 3: out of four being lefties, and really, given Burley Gorman 341 00:16:32,760 --> 00:16:36,200 Speaker 3: and you name the other lefty, a tough lefty to 342 00:16:36,280 --> 00:16:38,760 Speaker 3: have to face in that seventh eighth inning when that's 343 00:16:38,920 --> 00:16:41,520 Speaker 3: normally that pocket that that comes in and if you're 344 00:16:41,520 --> 00:16:44,000 Speaker 3: behind in that instance and you need to run, you 345 00:16:44,080 --> 00:16:45,760 Speaker 3: either have to pinch up for one of those guys 346 00:16:45,760 --> 00:16:48,440 Speaker 3: in your mind, or you're just in a harder run 347 00:16:48,440 --> 00:16:50,840 Speaker 3: scoring situation if you don't have a league. That's what 348 00:16:50,840 --> 00:16:53,520 Speaker 3: we got, guys, live call in from Ali mar mall 349 00:16:53,960 --> 00:16:56,320 Speaker 3: here on Cardinal Territory. I apologize that I wasn't a 350 00:16:56,320 --> 00:16:58,280 Speaker 3: part of the show, but I was talking to somebody 351 00:16:58,800 --> 00:16:59,520 Speaker 3: pretty important. 352 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:02,760 Speaker 2: No, it's good. That's that's live insider feeding and that's 353 00:17:02,800 --> 00:17:05,119 Speaker 2: what this is all about. And that gives me an idea, 354 00:17:05,200 --> 00:17:07,160 Speaker 2: though I would love to ask him for a follow 355 00:17:07,240 --> 00:17:09,200 Speaker 2: up later. What was he going to do when Lars 356 00:17:09,280 --> 00:17:11,560 Speaker 2: comes back? Because Lars is your two or three hole hitter, 357 00:17:12,080 --> 00:17:13,639 Speaker 2: so that's when he's going to have to make a 358 00:17:13,720 --> 00:17:16,080 Speaker 2: choice on what he does at the top. And I 359 00:17:16,080 --> 00:17:19,359 Speaker 2: think right now it works because of the lack of 360 00:17:19,440 --> 00:17:22,639 Speaker 2: having Lars in the lineup. When Lars comes back, everybody's 361 00:17:22,640 --> 00:17:24,479 Speaker 2: got to move down one and you can't have Mason 362 00:17:24,680 --> 00:17:27,080 Speaker 2: fifth in the lineup or whatever it may be, so 363 00:17:27,920 --> 00:17:31,720 Speaker 2: or Burley or Herrera like so it's like that's where 364 00:17:31,760 --> 00:17:33,480 Speaker 2: it's going to get interesting for me on how on 365 00:17:33,520 --> 00:17:34,240 Speaker 2: how he breaks. 366 00:17:34,040 --> 00:17:36,280 Speaker 3: It, he says. He also said he'd come on at 367 00:17:36,320 --> 00:17:38,679 Speaker 3: any point, So I almost texted him the link that 368 00:17:38,680 --> 00:17:40,160 Speaker 3: we have for the show that he could join now, 369 00:17:40,160 --> 00:17:42,040 Speaker 3: but I figured that might be too much, but he 370 00:17:42,080 --> 00:17:45,119 Speaker 3: said he joined me on, so so we'll get we'll 371 00:17:45,119 --> 00:17:47,879 Speaker 3: get another series win against Detroit here and then maybe 372 00:17:47,920 --> 00:17:50,680 Speaker 3: Monday is just a perfect time to to have him on. 373 00:17:50,800 --> 00:17:53,200 Speaker 3: I also told him when he starts playing our lineup, 374 00:17:53,480 --> 00:17:55,080 Speaker 3: we're really going to need to have him come on 375 00:17:55,359 --> 00:17:57,880 Speaker 3: as only if it goes well, then we can talk 376 00:17:57,920 --> 00:17:59,520 Speaker 3: about it. If he plays our lineup and it's and 377 00:17:59,560 --> 00:18:01,120 Speaker 3: it's not good, and then we don't want to talk 378 00:18:01,119 --> 00:18:01,399 Speaker 3: to him. 379 00:18:02,000 --> 00:18:04,760 Speaker 1: You know, Look, we can do we can do wonders 380 00:18:04,760 --> 00:18:06,840 Speaker 1: for Oley and I'll still say it again, Mason should 381 00:18:06,920 --> 00:18:09,680 Speaker 1: lead off. Okay, Abs, We've seen it by the way, 382 00:18:09,720 --> 00:18:13,720 Speaker 1: Herrera he challenged two pitches in one at back when 383 00:18:13,720 --> 00:18:16,960 Speaker 1: he was at the plate and won both. This is 384 00:18:16,920 --> 00:18:18,800 Speaker 1: a guy and he's like at the top of the 385 00:18:18,880 --> 00:18:22,560 Speaker 1: league in winning those, you know, the challenges in baseball. 386 00:18:22,680 --> 00:18:25,760 Speaker 1: He knows his strike zone. But it's been fun. Right 387 00:18:25,800 --> 00:18:27,960 Speaker 1: they put it on the board. You get to see 388 00:18:28,000 --> 00:18:31,280 Speaker 1: if the umpire's right or wrong. With the C. B. Buckner, 389 00:18:31,320 --> 00:18:33,840 Speaker 1: he's wrong all the time, and the fans celebrate it 390 00:18:34,359 --> 00:18:36,119 Speaker 1: the way that it shapes out and we see it 391 00:18:36,160 --> 00:18:37,520 Speaker 1: now in real time wins. 392 00:18:37,560 --> 00:18:38,160 Speaker 3: Do you like it? 393 00:18:39,320 --> 00:18:44,680 Speaker 2: Absolutely? I think you're already have seen umpires that might 394 00:18:45,040 --> 00:18:47,800 Speaker 2: or might not have been known to be the worst 395 00:18:47,840 --> 00:18:51,320 Speaker 2: around being exposed right out of the gate. You know, 396 00:18:51,359 --> 00:18:53,200 Speaker 2: some of them retired in years past, or it would 397 00:18:53,200 --> 00:18:55,960 Speaker 2: have been fun to see them get challenged in some 398 00:18:56,000 --> 00:18:59,680 Speaker 2: of this. You know, it is what it is. Everyone 399 00:18:59,760 --> 00:19:02,720 Speaker 2: just wants it to be right. I would love for 400 00:19:02,760 --> 00:19:07,080 Speaker 2: it to just be just all the way through where 401 00:19:07,119 --> 00:19:08,919 Speaker 2: they get buzzed and we don't have to see it. 402 00:19:09,000 --> 00:19:11,320 Speaker 2: So they don't have to deal with this because it 403 00:19:11,440 --> 00:19:14,360 Speaker 2: is I mean, there are humans, so you don't want 404 00:19:14,400 --> 00:19:16,800 Speaker 2: them to get bashed for making bad calls. But you 405 00:19:16,840 --> 00:19:19,120 Speaker 2: also don't want them to cause problems in a game 406 00:19:19,160 --> 00:19:21,200 Speaker 2: for making a bad call, which has happened in the past. 407 00:19:21,240 --> 00:19:24,200 Speaker 2: So anything you can get right is huge, and it's 408 00:19:24,240 --> 00:19:25,879 Speaker 2: you know, the fans and stuff are having fun with it, 409 00:19:25,920 --> 00:19:28,359 Speaker 2: but it would be nice for every call to be 410 00:19:28,520 --> 00:19:30,880 Speaker 2: what it's supposed to be. So I think we're going 411 00:19:30,920 --> 00:19:32,480 Speaker 2: in that direction. But right now we can have some 412 00:19:32,560 --> 00:19:34,280 Speaker 2: fun with it. But the problem with that is you're 413 00:19:34,280 --> 00:19:38,639 Speaker 2: also having it with at people's expense, which you know, 414 00:19:38,800 --> 00:19:40,840 Speaker 2: no one wants to hurt people's feelings. I would never 415 00:19:40,920 --> 00:19:43,600 Speaker 2: do that. So but other than that, that's the only 416 00:19:43,640 --> 00:19:44,760 Speaker 2: problem with it right now. 417 00:19:45,240 --> 00:19:48,880 Speaker 1: Oh he's warm and fuzzy. He's warm fuzzy, look. 418 00:19:50,880 --> 00:19:54,880 Speaker 3: Wrong a lot? Yeah, I mean, but come on though, 419 00:19:55,000 --> 00:20:00,000 Speaker 3: like I just think, I think the umpires have two choice. 420 00:20:00,240 --> 00:20:04,040 Speaker 3: Is here in my mind, they either embrace this and 421 00:20:04,720 --> 00:20:08,000 Speaker 3: they figure out how to understand that we all miss 422 00:20:08,080 --> 00:20:11,800 Speaker 3: calls and we don't want to be the reason why 423 00:20:12,480 --> 00:20:15,919 Speaker 3: a game ends or is impacted negatively. They don't want 424 00:20:15,920 --> 00:20:18,360 Speaker 3: to see their umpire scorecard be one and a half 425 00:20:18,480 --> 00:20:20,879 Speaker 3: runs in favor of a team, or see that they 426 00:20:20,920 --> 00:20:24,040 Speaker 3: missed eighty five percent of the calls and they impacted 427 00:20:24,080 --> 00:20:26,800 Speaker 3: the outcome of the game. So they can either embrace 428 00:20:26,840 --> 00:20:28,639 Speaker 3: it and every now and then when they have a 429 00:20:28,680 --> 00:20:31,800 Speaker 3: bad game, like say something to the player that challenged 430 00:20:31,840 --> 00:20:34,480 Speaker 3: three times and say, hey, you know the zone better 431 00:20:34,480 --> 00:20:36,840 Speaker 3: than me today it's going to happen, and just laugh 432 00:20:36,880 --> 00:20:39,800 Speaker 3: it off. You can't be so upset that you're getting 433 00:20:39,800 --> 00:20:42,600 Speaker 3: frustrated when players are challenging their calls, because you're human, 434 00:20:42,800 --> 00:20:45,040 Speaker 3: you're going to mess them up. The other option they 435 00:20:45,119 --> 00:20:49,119 Speaker 3: have is do what a couple guys have done and 436 00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:52,520 Speaker 3: get upset and make a spectacle about it and get 437 00:20:52,560 --> 00:20:55,560 Speaker 3: a little feelings hurt, and they're going to be not 438 00:20:55,680 --> 00:21:00,520 Speaker 3: calling balls and strikes very soon because abs challenged is 439 00:21:00,600 --> 00:21:03,880 Speaker 3: not going away. It's going to turn into automatic ballstrack 440 00:21:03,960 --> 00:21:07,280 Speaker 3: with no umpires calling anything if it keeps getting this 441 00:21:07,359 --> 00:21:09,560 Speaker 3: way and they're acting like they're getting their feelings hurt, 442 00:21:09,760 --> 00:21:11,680 Speaker 3: because that's not what Rob Manford wants to see and 443 00:21:11,720 --> 00:21:13,080 Speaker 3: that's not what players want to see. We don't want 444 00:21:13,080 --> 00:21:16,320 Speaker 3: to see an umpire getting upset because he's the one 445 00:21:16,359 --> 00:21:19,440 Speaker 3: who messed up and the player got it right, right, 446 00:21:19,560 --> 00:21:22,359 Speaker 3: Like I don't think a player needs to be embarrassed 447 00:21:22,400 --> 00:21:27,400 Speaker 3: either or or get you know, ridiculed for missing a challenge. 448 00:21:27,520 --> 00:21:30,520 Speaker 3: I mean, if you think you're right, take a chance, right. 449 00:21:31,600 --> 00:21:34,640 Speaker 3: But I don't think umpires getting upset is the way 450 00:21:34,680 --> 00:21:35,120 Speaker 3: to go here. 451 00:21:36,080 --> 00:21:38,200 Speaker 1: And you know what, it's really a tenth of an 452 00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:41,000 Speaker 1: inch sometimes that the call goes one way or the other. 453 00:21:41,080 --> 00:21:47,000 Speaker 3: So it like in the stadium in stadium, I understand 454 00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:49,760 Speaker 3: that it was at cebe Bucker's expense, but some of 455 00:21:49,800 --> 00:21:52,399 Speaker 3: the loudest cheers for that inning when they're making a 456 00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:54,919 Speaker 3: comeback and their scoring runs and the players getting the 457 00:21:55,000 --> 00:21:58,600 Speaker 3: right and the players getting other opportunities right, Like it's 458 00:21:58,800 --> 00:22:00,480 Speaker 3: in Baltimore. They had a walk up, they had a 459 00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:03,359 Speaker 3: walk off challenge yesterday. What do you don't you think 460 00:22:03,400 --> 00:22:05,120 Speaker 3: the fans were pretty excited when it was a two 461 00:22:05,119 --> 00:22:07,600 Speaker 3: to two count and Besido tapt his helmet and all 462 00:22:07,600 --> 00:22:09,680 Speaker 3: of a sudden, the game's over and everybody gets a cheer. 463 00:22:09,840 --> 00:22:10,760 Speaker 3: They love it. 464 00:22:11,359 --> 00:22:13,280 Speaker 2: I think better if the space is loaded in the 465 00:22:13,280 --> 00:22:17,040 Speaker 2: bottom of the ninth and by one run, not six 466 00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:19,240 Speaker 2: or whatever it was. But that only been better. 467 00:22:19,320 --> 00:22:23,440 Speaker 1: Sure, for sure, that's great. So is this podcast. The 468 00:22:23,560 --> 00:22:26,080 Speaker 1: Cardinal Territory is gonna take a quick break. 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He has a kick change, now I get that. 493 00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:41,359 Speaker 1: But he looks more confident. And someone told me he 494 00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:43,680 Speaker 1: looks like he's been left in weights. So I asked 495 00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:46,080 Speaker 1: him about it and he said, no, I'm just not 496 00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:49,320 Speaker 1: slouching anymore. I'm much more confident. But you could see 497 00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:52,959 Speaker 1: Lance even his you know, his demeanor on the mound 498 00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:56,600 Speaker 1: and his his amange out in the mound. He looks 499 00:23:56,640 --> 00:23:59,639 Speaker 1: like a different guy pitching. Well, he's mixing it up. 500 00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:02,679 Speaker 1: That's a big thing, not being predictable. Just your thoughts 501 00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:04,760 Speaker 1: on what Polante is and maybe what he could be. 502 00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:09,800 Speaker 2: Well, when you when your arsenal is rounding into a 503 00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:14,639 Speaker 2: form where you have a a counter for every hitter, 504 00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:17,400 Speaker 2: you're gonna walk around with a little bit more confidence. 505 00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:21,240 Speaker 2: And here's the thing. Andre has always been prepared. He's 506 00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:24,360 Speaker 2: always taken care of himself, and he's always wanted to succeed. 507 00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:28,120 Speaker 2: It's been a slow process. Each year you've seen him 508 00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:30,400 Speaker 2: kind of take the step and then the next year 509 00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:33,600 Speaker 2: kind of like we need to make the nake, make 510 00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:35,320 Speaker 2: the next one. So this year is with a changeup. 511 00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:38,240 Speaker 2: He's got another another thing, another wrinkle that he can 512 00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:40,800 Speaker 2: put into things. So that's part of the process of 513 00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:44,080 Speaker 2: growing as a pitcher in the major leagues and doing 514 00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:47,160 Speaker 2: things that you know that you have to do. So 515 00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:50,119 Speaker 2: hopefully this is where you can see Andre kind of 516 00:24:50,119 --> 00:24:52,280 Speaker 2: figure out who he is and know when and where 517 00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:55,080 Speaker 2: to use stuff, maybe not put too much pressure on 518 00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:58,040 Speaker 2: making the perfect pitch because you have other pitches that 519 00:24:58,080 --> 00:25:00,840 Speaker 2: you can incorporate, so you don't have to be perfect. 520 00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:04,120 Speaker 2: So that's the process I think we're seeing. Hopefully it's 521 00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:06,480 Speaker 2: one of those things that keeps going on. The main 522 00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:09,280 Speaker 2: thing is for him is free pre base runners. Man, 523 00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:11,480 Speaker 2: he's got to have the confidence to fill up the 524 00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:14,080 Speaker 2: strike zone with every offer, and he has because he 525 00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:18,440 Speaker 2: has unique stuff that plays really well. If you're able 526 00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:20,840 Speaker 2: to compliment with the pieces that he has now, so 527 00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:24,600 Speaker 2: being able to incorporate those percentage wise usage wise where 528 00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:26,920 Speaker 2: he needs to, and then he can go have more 529 00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:29,040 Speaker 2: confidence to getting the strike zone and not walk people 530 00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:32,600 Speaker 2: walks where his killer last year the year before walks 531 00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:34,520 Speaker 2: in it hurting and he had you know a little 532 00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:36,640 Speaker 2: better ra and stuff like that. Last year, the walks 533 00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:38,919 Speaker 2: seemed to hurt him. So if he just minimizes the 534 00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:42,560 Speaker 2: walks and uses his stuff and uses percentages and mixed 535 00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:44,159 Speaker 2: up pitches the way he needs to, he's got all 536 00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:46,639 Speaker 2: this stuff to be a very good major league starter, 537 00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:49,480 Speaker 2: and that confidence will build as he goes. 538 00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:52,359 Speaker 1: Cow thoughts. 539 00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:59,159 Speaker 3: I like the addition of a change up. Andre in 540 00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:05,920 Speaker 3: my mind is and has been a pitch moving arm 541 00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:12,000 Speaker 3: side away from being really really tough at bat every 542 00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:15,359 Speaker 3: time for rioters and lefties. And I think if the 543 00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:18,160 Speaker 3: changeup is able to go down or down and into 544 00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:20,399 Speaker 3: a riding and down the way to a lefty, I 545 00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:22,520 Speaker 3: think it's a good addition. You know, something that he 546 00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:24,600 Speaker 3: worked on throwing a few more two seems in twenty 547 00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:28,000 Speaker 3: twenty four that I thought was a good addition for him, 548 00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:32,520 Speaker 3: And I think it just keeps hitters honest. And yeah, 549 00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:34,600 Speaker 3: I agree with all of what Lance said. He he 550 00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:39,000 Speaker 3: works hard. Andre is a he is somewhat not like 551 00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:41,840 Speaker 3: an emotional like he is, you know, a roller coaster. 552 00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:45,159 Speaker 3: He's emotionally unstable, that's not it. He pitches with emotion 553 00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:51,800 Speaker 3: and he kind of lets game situations a little bit 554 00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:55,400 Speaker 3: cause him to get up and get down, and he's 555 00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:57,560 Speaker 3: hard on himself. He wants to be really good and 556 00:26:57,600 --> 00:26:59,560 Speaker 3: sometimes he wears that a little bit too much. But 557 00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:01,720 Speaker 3: you know, I saw it going out of the game 558 00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:03,639 Speaker 3: the other day. He left a couple runners on base. 559 00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:07,720 Speaker 3: He hated it, he yelled, and then you know, the 560 00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:09,240 Speaker 3: the bullpen was able to get him out of it 561 00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:12,520 Speaker 3: and preserve the lead. So you know, Andre's he's a 562 00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:16,080 Speaker 3: special guy. He is really appreciated getting to know him. 563 00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:20,800 Speaker 3: Lance really appreciated to get to know him. That was fun. 564 00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:25,560 Speaker 3: But I've been the guy that is, when you don't 565 00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:29,240 Speaker 3: rely on strikeouts or twenty something or thirty percent of 566 00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:31,720 Speaker 3: your outs, you're kind of at the mercy of ball 567 00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:35,600 Speaker 3: in play. And it's it's tough, right. I had a 568 00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:37,560 Speaker 3: lot of up and down years because I was never 569 00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:40,040 Speaker 3: a strikeout guy that can rely on getting out of 570 00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:43,240 Speaker 3: things most of the time with swinging this so you 571 00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:45,000 Speaker 3: got to pitch a little bit more, You gotta you 572 00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:46,440 Speaker 3: gotta be able to locate a little bit more. In 573 00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:49,200 Speaker 3: the days that you don't locate, it's a really it's 574 00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:51,280 Speaker 3: kind of tough. But I think Andre's learning that, and 575 00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:54,440 Speaker 3: he had the chance to keep being a very good 576 00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:55,240 Speaker 3: major league pitcher. 577 00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:59,400 Speaker 1: The whole staff lance done strike guys, at least in 578 00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:03,000 Speaker 1: the early go Libby has some strikeouts stuff early on, 579 00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:05,760 Speaker 1: though they're not striking out a lot of guys, and 580 00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:08,119 Speaker 1: that's kind of a big piece in MLB. Is that 581 00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:11,360 Speaker 1: a concern for you at this point in the early gong? 582 00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:15,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, you definitely don't want to be last in that category. 583 00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:17,680 Speaker 2: There's really no other way to say it. I think 584 00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:20,560 Speaker 2: they have people that have the ability to strike people out. 585 00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:24,000 Speaker 2: Now the question is as the game planning and the 586 00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:27,000 Speaker 2: sharpness of pitches and this and that come, are those 587 00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:29,840 Speaker 2: going to build. The one positive I think that they 588 00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:31,760 Speaker 2: have if you're not going to be a strikeout staff 589 00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:33,840 Speaker 2: is they have a very good defense behind them, especially 590 00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:37,919 Speaker 2: up the middle all the way through. So they have 591 00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:41,760 Speaker 2: the ability to weather the lack of strikeouts because of 592 00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:44,320 Speaker 2: how good their defense is. But you're gonna need to 593 00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:46,400 Speaker 2: see those numbers kick up a little bit. But I 594 00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:50,720 Speaker 2: also caution this, don't start chasing strikeouts and then put 595 00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:54,560 Speaker 2: free runners on by walking people. So you know, figure 596 00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:56,520 Speaker 2: out when and where it's your time to go for it, 597 00:28:57,280 --> 00:29:00,640 Speaker 2: and then before that, make sure that you you know, 598 00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:02,440 Speaker 2: you fill up the strike zoning and you keep your 599 00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:06,360 Speaker 2: defense the quality defense they are, because they'll they'll start, 600 00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:10,040 Speaker 2: you know, getting a little less athletic the more you 601 00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:12,160 Speaker 2: sit there and watch people walk people instead of keep 602 00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:13,800 Speaker 2: them on their toes and keep the ball in playing 603 00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:16,600 Speaker 2: and keeping striking the strike zone movement. So yes, it's 604 00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:18,959 Speaker 2: worries them, but they have the defense to handle it. 605 00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:22,160 Speaker 2: But make sure you don't chase strikeouts and then end 606 00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:25,080 Speaker 2: up walking people just to get that number up. So 607 00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:27,440 Speaker 2: you know it's gonna it's gonna go as teams go 608 00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:29,760 Speaker 2: throughout the year, and they're playing two teams that you 609 00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:31,400 Speaker 2: know might not strike out as much as the year 610 00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:33,960 Speaker 2: goes on anyways, So we'll see what happens when the 611 00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:35,920 Speaker 2: more strikeout prone teams come into town. 612 00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:39,520 Speaker 3: Overall, I'm not a huge fan of FIP, right, hold 613 00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:41,520 Speaker 3: on one thing. I'm not a huge fan of FIP 614 00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:44,000 Speaker 3: in general. Like I'm a fan of not giving up runs. 615 00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:45,440 Speaker 3: So if you don't give up runs, I think that's 616 00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:47,840 Speaker 3: a good thing if you're not going to strike out guys, though, 617 00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:49,800 Speaker 3: I kind have said, you can't walk people and you 618 00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:51,680 Speaker 3: got to keep the ball in the ballpark, all right, 619 00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:54,160 Speaker 3: So they're they're in the top half of home runs allowed, 620 00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:56,440 Speaker 3: and they need to be in the top five to 621 00:29:56,520 --> 00:29:59,200 Speaker 3: top ten of walks. Right, they've got too many walks. 622 00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:02,040 Speaker 3: You look at strikeout to walk ratio. That's got to 623 00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:04,720 Speaker 3: be better. You know, three or four to one for 624 00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:08,080 Speaker 3: a whole staff would probably be good. Maybe that's too much, 625 00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:10,400 Speaker 3: but you've got to get the walks down, and Dusty 626 00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:12,600 Speaker 3: knows this. Keep the walks down, keep the homers down, 627 00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:14,880 Speaker 3: and your strikeouts aren't going to be as big of 628 00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:15,160 Speaker 3: a deal. 629 00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:18,600 Speaker 1: Cool, all right, last topic, I want to throw out 630 00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:22,880 Speaker 1: there because Herrera's catching now, because he's got the healthy elbow, 631 00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:28,080 Speaker 1: pot has slow start offensively. I know the pitchers love 632 00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:30,320 Speaker 1: him because he works his butt off to be prepared. 633 00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:33,520 Speaker 1: And then you got Poso who everybody goes. But in 634 00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:37,720 Speaker 1: the minors, Jimmy Crooks is just crunching the baseball, I 635 00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:40,880 Speaker 1: mean early going. He's here, he got three hundred, he's 636 00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:44,400 Speaker 1: batting three hundred, He's I'm sorry, he's batting five hundred, 637 00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:48,479 Speaker 1: already has three homers. And I know Cardinal fans, you know, 638 00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:51,520 Speaker 1: kind of got really excited about Jimmy Crooks last year. 639 00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:54,320 Speaker 1: Is a little bit of an adjustment period. But if 640 00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:57,120 Speaker 1: a guy is killing it at Triple A like Cruks is, 641 00:30:57,200 --> 00:31:00,480 Speaker 1: and it goes a little bit more than this on Lance, 642 00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:03,040 Speaker 1: do the Cardinals have a decision to make in terms 643 00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:06,520 Speaker 1: of maybe seeing what this guy can bring because there's 644 00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:09,200 Speaker 1: nothing against Pis. I love that guy, and I know 645 00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:12,760 Speaker 1: pictures love him. But maybe got a young guy who's 646 00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:16,720 Speaker 1: who's calling from Memphis right now screaming I want to 647 00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:17,200 Speaker 1: be there. 648 00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:20,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, And I mean, if you're going to, like you said, 649 00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:22,120 Speaker 2: the main thing is going to be is so how 650 00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:25,360 Speaker 2: much is herrare going to catch daily throughout the week? 651 00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:27,360 Speaker 2: How many games and all that? Now, if you're going 652 00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:27,800 Speaker 2: to catch you. 653 00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:36,960 Speaker 3: Gone? We lost them Lance. He probably started to roll 654 00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:38,960 Speaker 3: back off the top of the hill. But because in 655 00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:41,760 Speaker 3: all transparency, this show worked because Lance parked at the 656 00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:44,480 Speaker 3: top of the hill all his property, right, It didn't 657 00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:46,000 Speaker 3: work when he was not at the top of the hill. 658 00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:50,760 Speaker 3: All right, So I'll take that, sou Yes, Jim, I think, 659 00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:53,440 Speaker 3: all first off, that's what you get for going to 660 00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:55,480 Speaker 3: Lance Perst instead of me. You know, he'd have dropped 661 00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:57,240 Speaker 3: in the middle of my answer. But you know, that's 662 00:31:57,280 --> 00:32:01,720 Speaker 3: for an argument for another day. But I think that Yes, 663 00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:03,880 Speaker 3: there's always guys in Triple A knocking on the door. 664 00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:07,160 Speaker 3: That's their job. But the job at the big leagues 665 00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:12,240 Speaker 3: is to win. And I think if pa Haes understands 666 00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:14,600 Speaker 3: his job here right, like you need to be an 667 00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:18,440 Speaker 3: above average defender and whatever offense you bring, which I 668 00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:20,479 Speaker 3: think he can be an average hitter for a catcher, 669 00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:26,440 Speaker 3: that's that's great, right. That's gonna be a tough decision though, 670 00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:29,600 Speaker 3: And that's Jimmy Crooks's job is to make those decisions tough. 671 00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:33,160 Speaker 3: That's pa Haes and Poso's job to make those decisions tough. 672 00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:35,920 Speaker 3: And these are all grown men. They understand the goal 673 00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:39,040 Speaker 3: is to win, uh, And they understand that players come up, 674 00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:41,800 Speaker 3: players go down. So do I want to see positive 675 00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:44,640 Speaker 3: or Poso go down? No? But I do think this 676 00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:48,360 Speaker 3: situation needs to be right for Crooks to be up right, Like, 677 00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:51,600 Speaker 3: it doesn't need to be Crooks comes up and he's 678 00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:56,080 Speaker 3: catching once a week and dhing once or twice a 679 00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:57,960 Speaker 3: week because there's just no abats because you have to 680 00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:01,080 Speaker 3: have her in there, doesn't necessary really helping that instance. 681 00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:05,600 Speaker 3: Plus we just talked to Ali Live about lefties doesn't 682 00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:08,400 Speaker 3: necessarily help you in that instance. Have extra lefties. But 683 00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:12,680 Speaker 3: their job, him's job, and and all in the staff 684 00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:15,200 Speaker 3: is to win as many games possible. And if Jimmy 685 00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:16,800 Speaker 3: Crooks is going to be a guy and he is 686 00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:19,040 Speaker 3: going to make that team better, they're eventually going to 687 00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:23,040 Speaker 3: do that. What that might mean you don't even carry 688 00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:25,880 Speaker 3: three catchers? You know, if if you can have Crooks 689 00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:28,600 Speaker 3: and Herrara and Herrera feels good back there, then ideally 690 00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:31,160 Speaker 3: you would go back to a two catcher lineup and 691 00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:34,200 Speaker 3: not have to have three because Poso might not get 692 00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:37,280 Speaker 3: these consistent bats, he might not get the consistent playing time. 693 00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:41,040 Speaker 3: With how good defensively Paes is and how good offensively 694 00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:43,320 Speaker 3: Herrera it is, and I think how good defensively her 695 00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:44,160 Speaker 3: Aeric can be as well. 696 00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:48,560 Speaker 1: Dude, that's a great answer. Do you think that answer 697 00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:49,840 Speaker 1: was better than the one Lens? 698 00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:53,640 Speaker 3: No, I would never say that I was gonna No. 699 00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:55,320 Speaker 3: I would never say that I was going to give 700 00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:57,640 Speaker 3: a better answer than Lance. I don't. I like to 701 00:33:57,640 --> 00:34:00,560 Speaker 3: be on Lance's good side, so do I. 702 00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:03,640 Speaker 1: And Lance is great, always great for giving you a 703 00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:07,120 Speaker 1: phone call. Of course, we're not technically advanced enough to 704 00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:10,040 Speaker 1: just sort of integrate thing I thought I. 705 00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:12,319 Speaker 3: Thought about putting them on speakerphone. I thought about putting 706 00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:14,200 Speaker 3: on speakerphone, but I didn't know how that would come 707 00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:16,560 Speaker 3: through uh here, and I wanted to make sure that 708 00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:18,759 Speaker 3: I could. I didn't want to just start talking bad 709 00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:21,200 Speaker 3: about you, Jim. He says he likes you, but you know, 710 00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:23,200 Speaker 3: just he did say grow up to start, So I 711 00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:24,160 Speaker 3: just wanted to make sure. 712 00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:27,080 Speaker 1: No yours tomorrow because he has a foul metth Anyway, anyway, 713 00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:30,640 Speaker 1: that's gonna do it for this edition of Cardinal Territory. 714 00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:34,600 Speaker 1: We'll see the next time, and hopefully that episode won't suck.