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Speaker 2: Come out play, Wio, come out to play.

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Speaker 1: But Worrior.

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Speaker 3: All right.

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Speaker 4: So this is incredible and I am so excited. That

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Speaker 4: is a picture of an actor back in the seventies.

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Speaker 4: Before that, you saw Mike Rabel and mccollins from the

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Speaker 4: AFC champion New England Patriots in the year twenty twenty six,

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Speaker 4: and it all comes together. That man you're seeing there

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Speaker 4: is sitting with me here in studio in New York

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Speaker 4: City and he is a legend ladies and gentlemen, the

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Speaker 4: inspiration to New England Patriots, David Patrick, Kelly DP.

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Speaker 3: How we doing.

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Speaker 5: I'm fantastic, Kyle, humbled to be here. Fantastic way to go. Mac.

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Speaker 5: There was you instilled fear in their hearts there. Now

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Speaker 5: we just got to make sure it comes out right

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Speaker 5: for you.

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Speaker 6: At the end, we have so.

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Speaker 3: Many things to talk about.

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Speaker 4: We can't go any further without talking about this beautiful

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Speaker 4: instrument you have.

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Speaker 3: What is this and why?

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Speaker 6: Well?

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Speaker 5: In this crazy times we're living in, I always like

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Speaker 5: to find inspiration and things way older than us. This

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Speaker 5: is from nineteen twenty two, Kyle. This is made in Philadelphia,

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Speaker 5: Pennsylvania by the Wyman Brothers.

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Speaker 3: Beautiful w E y m N.

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Speaker 5: It's older than Martin guitar. I know you got a

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Speaker 5: Martin guitar, right. This is Pennsylvania. This is Philadelphia. The

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Speaker 5: Wyman Brothers were these German luthiers that lived there in

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Speaker 5: eighteen sixty six they started this company. This is from

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Speaker 5: nineteen twenty two. So it's seen more than all.

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Speaker 6: Of us, you know, and which a lot of history.

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Speaker 6: And so I wanted to have it because here feel it,

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Speaker 6: See how heavy it is like it takes.

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Speaker 3: Right very just surprisingly.

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Speaker 5: It's an amazing so and it's a rare banjo lin

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Speaker 5: so it's a mandolin.

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Speaker 6: But it's a banjo as well.

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Speaker 3: I love that.

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Speaker 4: And you are you are an artist artist, which makes

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Speaker 4: it all the more jarring that we are sitting here,

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Speaker 4: ostensibly on a football show, talking to someone I've watched

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Speaker 4: my entire life, your entire filmography, everything on stage everywhere.

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Speaker 3: I'm a huge fan of yours.

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Speaker 6: Thank you.

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Speaker 4: So I'm thrilled when I'm watching the AFC title game, Yeah,

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Speaker 4: and players and coaches are channeling your voice from the

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Speaker 4: Warriors nineteen seventy nine.

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Speaker 3: What has this phenomenon been like for you this week.

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Speaker 6: It's pretty great.

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Speaker 5: People started to flood in my feet, as you young

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Speaker 5: people say, you know, with all the pictures and everything,

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Speaker 5: and you know, I'm just curious about.

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Speaker 6: You know, somebody so young as all you guys are,

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Speaker 6: where it came into their lives.

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Speaker 5: Where's the first son they saw that? You know, because

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Speaker 5: I love the Warriors. You know, Walter Hill, you should

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Speaker 5: have him on because he's the football guy, you know.

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Speaker 5: And his great stuntman, Alan Graf is also a fantastic

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Speaker 5: He played for USC and Walter. You know, I was

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Speaker 5: doing last match with Bruce Willing. I'm gonna get off

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Speaker 5: topic here a little bit, but you know, and I

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Speaker 5: told him. My father's name is Robert Corby Kelly. My

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Speaker 5: brother's name is Robert Corby Kelly. His son is Robert

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Speaker 5: Corby Kelly now William Corby.

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Speaker 3: Grew up in Detroit like me.

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Speaker 5: He went to be a priest at a little French

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Speaker 5: missionary school in Indiana called Notre Dame. This is eighteen sixty,

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Speaker 5: fighting sixty ninth he became their chaplain. He was at Gettysburg.

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Speaker 5: He gave them general absolution, north and south. They could

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Speaker 5: He said, I would have fired you if I'd known that,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, right, fight on, Yes, I do. I know all

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Speaker 6: But he didn't made a good movie.

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Speaker 4: You obviously, you're a storyteller by nature, and you've been

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Speaker 4: doing it for decades. Indulge us, dpe Indulge us as

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Speaker 4: when you're sitting in that hearse and somehow these end.

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Speaker 4: Like on set that day? How did it come to

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Speaker 6: Tell us the story, Well those are too big, you know.

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Speaker 5: I can't remember what the brand was. But they had

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Speaker 6: And Walter said, you know, we need something more here.

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Speaker 5: They used to sadly poison the pigeons because it was

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Speaker 5: the boardwalk on dead pigeons. Yeah, dead pigeons. And so

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Speaker 5: I held up three pigeons. He said, no, no, that's

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Speaker 5: of my off Broadway experience being at CBGB's for seventy

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Speaker 6: He saw me on Broadway play. This granddad was a sailor.

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Speaker 5: My father was a farmer and I his only daughter

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Speaker 5: took up with and no good millworking man from Massachuoset

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Speaker 5: and that's a millwork song. James Teeler Rotaval, thank you

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Speaker 5: kindly for a show called Working. The Great Stephen Schwartz

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Speaker 5: put together a show called Working, based on Stud's Tircle's

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Speaker 5: where Walter Hill Larry Gordon saw me. They said, we're

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Speaker 5: going to have this guy play the villain. I played

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Speaker 6: Walter wanted me to sing something to them. I said, well,

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Speaker 6: I was at CBG that heard of these crazy.

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Speaker 5: And I just clicked those bottles and I give it up.

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Speaker 6: To him to keep it in, you know, because you.

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Speaker 5: Know the sound crew was going to yeah, you know,

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Speaker 3: It's everywhere. It's legacy.

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Speaker 4: It's not just the Patriots, the Golden State Warriors of

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Speaker 4: Channel that people on the street. I'm sure Channel do

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Speaker 4: people still scream. That's at you and try to get

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Speaker 5: They do, they do, and people, you know, I like

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Speaker 5: some of the people that have taken it up.

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Speaker 6: I like the Offspring song keep Them Set Rated.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, come out and play.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, that one's great. I liked who else did?

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Speaker 5: There's a number Run the Jewels is a good The

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Speaker 5: of their songs, you know, so I you know, it's

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Speaker 5: really cool because you know, The Warriors came out at

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Speaker 5: like that and the stylized aspect of it, the western

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Speaker 3: I could tell.

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Speaker 4: And it works on there, bottles everythinge on that crew

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Speaker 3: DP. I mentioned, I've watched my whole life. You're a

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Speaker 3: funny guy. DP. I like you, So I'm going to

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Speaker 3: ask you about Commando Last. Remember how I asked you.

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Speaker 3: I said I was gonna ask about Commando Last. I lied.

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Speaker 3: Take me back to the mid eighties.

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Speaker 4: Please, this is post Terminator Schwartzenegger, pre Predator Schwartzenegger, right,

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Speaker 4: and there he is hanging you off a cliff as Sully.

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Speaker 3: Please tell me the story.

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Speaker 5: Well, Arnold was a great comic book you know hero.

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Speaker 6: Commando thing going on, and you know.

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Speaker 5: We were there to drive the story forward, you know,

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Speaker 6: You know, we're driving the story.

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Speaker 5: You know that made Arnold, you know, because if he

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Speaker 5: And so that's how that came about. And I used

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Speaker 5: and he was a cowboy stunt man in the fifties.

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Speaker 6: He had this great leather tooled stuntman's belt.

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Speaker 5: When they used to play the cowboys and the Indians

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Speaker 3: Pull them the horse by they're late.

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Speaker 5: So I got to wear Benny's belt, and that's what

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Speaker 5: Arnold was holding me upside down on the cliff of

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Speaker 5: Dean had his knife fight and Rebel without a Cause,

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Speaker 5: And there I was hanging upside down, imitating my silent

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Speaker 3: Incredible and a great bad guy. You're such a nice

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Speaker 6: It's insight and from Catholic education.

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Speaker 5: You know the via negativa, Kyle, the via negativa. That's

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Speaker 5: the way that you can come around to the good

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think Mike Rabel knows the via negativa as well. Listen,

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Speaker 5: I keep going back to my Detroit and that's why

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Speaker 6: That was a cartoon version.

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Speaker 5: We finished it for Brandon for his legacy, and alex

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Speaker 3: It's an incredible answer with song.

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Speaker 4: And I really respect you because I know that not

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Speaker 3: You have so many things going on. Is it true?

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Speaker 5: Lynn Manuel mirandam Friend and Isa Davis wrote a beautiful thing.

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Speaker 6: Do it now. It's a great revision.

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Speaker 5: You know, it's totally true to the spirit of the original.

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Speaker 6: No, it's more science.

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Speaker 5: Fiction, crazy crazy rebels against awesome technocracy. And so it's

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Speaker 5: Everyone you ever Lost is steal around.

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Speaker 6: Yes, you see them in.

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Speaker 3: The flicker of the Train for Richard Light here.

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Speaker 6: In the Night, in the night, and we're all in.

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Speaker 3: The Shame Train. We're taking the Shame train.

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Speaker 6: We're all in the Shame train home.

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Speaker 3: It's a beautiful thing.

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Speaker 5: And the songs are you know, they got wonderful people

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Speaker 3: And broad it's got goosebumps when you're playing that.

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Speaker 4: Oh fantasmic mccollins. I want you to learn this song

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Speaker 4: before the Super Bowl. I want you to learn the Banjulin,

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Speaker 4: I want you to learn all the lyrics. Mac cons DEEPK.

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Speaker 4: Do you have anything to say to the New England

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Speaker 5: Strike fear in their hearts, Make it come out the

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